As a 3000GT VR4 fan and owner, I got SO damn excited when it was mentioned in this video. Our cars are ALWAYS left out when the "Japanese Supercars" a mentioned.
Yeah the VR4 and 300zx seemed to not have been able to make it out of the 90s with the rest of the JDM cars. I hardly ever see them talked about or at shows or anything. It sucks because I love both of those cars as well.
Yes, they both are considered the Japanese supercars of the 90's in the USA. But as a car enthusiast, you can pick out the weaknesses (or failures) of a car to find that the Supra is actually the better JDM supercar alongside the Nissan Skyline GTR. If the Supra never had the 2JZGTE, then we might have seen things turn a different direction in history.
I can't argue with the fact that the GTE is a more reliable engine than the 6g72. The the thing that really propelled the Supra to it's God status is more the aftermarket. The publicity the Supra received form the FaF movies, coupled with an outstanding aftermarket support helped propelled the supra. The VR4 just started getting a healthy aftermarket maybe 10 years ago if that. Because of that, more people were breaking VR4s due to poor parts and tuning so it earned a bad rep. Bad rep means no one wants to buy them so kids are able to get them. Right now you can get a VR4 for around 3-5k. You can't a base MKIV Supra for that. Kids get them, and they break em, and further pushes the shitty rep.
I agree with some points (especially those whom don't mod it correctly or is cheaply done), but the Supra was already popular before F&F. Honestly, from a mechanic perspective, the 6g72 is a nightmare to work on as my uncle had one. He was only able to replace the front three spark plugs and gave up on the rear three because he couldn't get access. I'd say it's worse or close to a 300ZX twin turbo in which I used to own. I hated to work on engine related items since everything was cramped and it ended up becoming not very enjoyable. You'd probably need to take the whole engine out to have better access to work on the 300ZX(I'd highly recommend it)/VR4 whereas you may not need to do that for the Supra. The 2JZGTE had more options (single turbo, twinturbo) in the aftermarket for sure and it was a much simpler engine with room to work on in the engine bay. The 2JZGTE modifications increased power much more than the VG30DETT/6G72 from what I saw. So power increases were also on the Supra's side. I could go on, but I might as well make a video. lol
The earliest Supras had a rigid rear axle assembly, not independently suspended; 4 wheel independent suspension showed up in '82. Have owned almost all generations, my '81 was a great car, and very sophisticated for it's time.
Early 2000s is when the spirit of Japanese sport cars died. Supra, R34, S15, RX-7, DC5R, Celica GT-FOUR, etc. are among the victims. Even Caldina was discontinued during that time. :(
Fast and Furious Fanboy Supra Owners endangered the stock supras turned into drag ricers making the all stock supra rare. Thank you. Now im struggling to find a stock
Am excited and hopeful for the next gen supra. Only bummer is it's probably gonna cost 100k+ since its probably gonna wanna compete with the gt-r and nsx.
From everything I've heard the power is not linear at all. Its feels like a v6 mustang under 5k RPMs and the lights up like an R6 after that. If toyota wants the new supra to be a success it has to have the right price tag and power. The 94 Turbo had 320hp so 24 years later lets hope for 450 hp minimum.
like your vids man, but the yen actually strengthened vs the dollar which made exports to the US more expensive during that time period. You said the yen was weak in the video
Once again I am ancient enough to remember when Toyota released these. I remember them being pretty darn popular from release actually. A friend of mine had I believe an 85 or 86 Supra that was very very quick, handled like a house fly, had stellar brakes, was actually reliable enough to drive every day and CHEAP!
+Uzi B The problem with older cars is just that, they are older and may need work done to bring them back to their glory days. I'd buy one if their won't be a lot of money/work involved to make it reliable and driveable.
"SUPRA" more simply means "ABOVE" in Latin (as used even in essay references), which explains why the first one was the "Celica Supra" ... upscale model or above the Celica.
he didnt talk about how the supra mk4 came from, a 1991 Toyota Soarer z30, seems like people forget that the mk4 wouldnt be around if the soarer wasn't there, what a shame that the sc300 z30 was so under appropriated
That's true for the USA as I stated during the introduction to this video. I understand other markets received various options, but there were too many variations, details and special models which may lead to confusion and would distract from the scope of this video.
Ok....I get what you're saying...BUT...what about the Altezza? I feel it deserves mention during the "successor" aspect of the conversation, Especially given the fact that you mentioned the GT86. Sure a Stock RS200 doesnt pack quite the punch that Mk5 did, but, is it really coincidental that the 2JZ-GTE is such a compatible swap for the Altezza/is300 Chasis? I'd like to hear your thoughts @GT content
The IS300/Altezza was sold alongside the MKIV Supra. It's targeted at a different market being 4-doors and in the US, "luxury". There was also a 4-cylinder offering for other markets and the Supra was never offered with one. The closest car to the Supra would be the SC300 (2-doors, 2JZ, RWD).....also known as the poor man's Supra.
I hope they keep it an inline 6 .....when the R35 came out I was so disappointed ... And yes I've owned a R35 Nismo edition ....its like driving a fast comfortable couch ..... big living room sofa ....fast but not engaging. Ive had almost everything ....even had an 2011 Lp-670 SV my wife has a clean 1 owner MK3 turbo that getting a 1j or 2j swap soon ....maybe even a 1.5 J but I need to do more research on the 1.5J swap first and why its done and for what reasons lol Never really liked the sound of V6 motors I like line 4s ....inline 6s v8s v12s and so on it all stated with the 350z ....first to sell out their racing heritage in the 80s with v6 300zx
Very informative....but new crossovers are killing cars...as for the Supra..watch an old Motorweek video...it was $48,000 for the car when the corvette was $37,000 ...
Hey Gary I have a question for you... were their any Mkiv twin turbo supras from the factory that doesnt have the turbo badge in the back? Depending on the year? Or shall I assume that people with turboed supras (2jzgte) with no turbo badge were originally an NA and someone just install the 2jzgte motor?
On a stock Supra, the left side of the trunk will have the "Toyota" badge and the right side will have "Supra" badge for all 93-96 N/A & TT and 97-98 N/A. The "Supra Turbo" badge was only offered for the 97-98 TT in the USA.
i fear i will not buy a bew one as i hate automatics i may get a wreck n do a swap later n the other issue is toyota should have cast built there own inline six
I'd disagree. The Supra's biggest rival is Nissan's Z-car since it's initial design was to compete with the Z. It's got a front engine and rear wheel drive layout like the Z and a 6-cylinder. It's great to know that it (MKIV) is (dare I say it) better than the Z (Z32) and capable of competing with the GTR(32/33/34).
If people just go to Toyota's (Japan) website, they can learn the Supra started in Jan of 86. Inspired by the high end Celica. The US history is wrong.
Unrelated I guess but if it is illegal to import to the USA if the car is less thab 25 years old, why is it? Its not like the company changes the car model tf
As a 3000GT VR4 fan and owner, I got SO damn excited when it was mentioned in this video. Our cars are ALWAYS left out when the "Japanese Supercars" a mentioned.
AshyBoneVR4 Glad to have made your day.
Yeah the VR4 and 300zx seemed to not have been able to make it out of the 90s with the rest of the JDM cars. I hardly ever see them talked about or at shows or anything. It sucks because I love both of those cars as well.
Yes, they both are considered the Japanese supercars of the 90's in the USA. But as a car enthusiast, you can pick out the weaknesses (or failures) of a car to find that the Supra is actually the better JDM supercar alongside the Nissan Skyline GTR. If the Supra never had the 2JZGTE, then we might have seen things turn a different direction in history.
I can't argue with the fact that the GTE is a more reliable engine than the 6g72. The the thing that really propelled the Supra to it's God status is more the aftermarket. The publicity the Supra received form the FaF movies, coupled with an outstanding aftermarket support helped propelled the supra. The VR4 just started getting a healthy aftermarket maybe 10 years ago if that. Because of that, more people were breaking VR4s due to poor parts and tuning so it earned a bad rep. Bad rep means no one wants to buy them so kids are able to get them. Right now you can get a VR4 for around 3-5k. You can't a base MKIV Supra for that. Kids get them, and they break em, and further pushes the shitty rep.
I agree with some points (especially those whom don't mod it correctly or is cheaply done), but the Supra was already popular before F&F.
Honestly, from a mechanic perspective, the 6g72 is a nightmare to work on as my uncle had one. He was only able to replace the front three spark plugs and gave up on the rear three because he couldn't get access. I'd say it's worse or close to a 300ZX twin turbo in which I used to own. I hated to work on engine related items since everything was cramped and it ended up becoming not very enjoyable. You'd probably need to take the whole engine out to have better access to work on the 300ZX(I'd highly recommend it)/VR4 whereas you may not need to do that for the Supra.
The 2JZGTE had more options (single turbo, twinturbo) in the aftermarket for sure and it was a much simpler engine with room to work on in the engine bay.
The 2JZGTE modifications increased power much more than the VG30DETT/6G72 from what I saw. So power increases were also on the Supra's side.
I could go on, but I might as well make a video. lol
Love supra forever
I know it's kinda off topic but does anybody know a good place to stream newly released movies online?
@Timothy Ira i watch on Flixzone. You can find it on google :)
The earliest Supras had a rigid rear axle assembly, not independently suspended; 4 wheel independent suspension showed up in '82. Have owned almost all generations, my '81 was a great car, and very sophisticated for it's time.
great work as usual! I love your history of cars videos. keep it up Gary!
Nick Royce Thanks!
GT Content Bloody hell youre too underrated
You deserve more views,likes and subs
your page is the Jdm god guidelines💯🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
+Sean Kaine Awesome! Lol
If the new supra can keep up with the gtr and nsx I'll be happy.
Tai Lopez We will find out soon with more updates if that will be the case.
Lol yeah
Too bad its not even a Toyota 😔💔
thank you so much!! I learn so mutch about the supra in this video!!! you are my new favorit youtuber!👌 one more subscriber here
Awesome! Thanks!
Really good succinct run down. Surprising to remember what we thought was considered performance.
Thanks!
At 3:40 is my old 91 Supra. I took that picture at Lake Weatherford in Texas. I do miss that car. It was the victim of a divorce.
The Mk. 2 is my favorite body style... I'd love one of those with updated suspension and a 2JZ
Great video. I had a '79 Supra and an '82 Supra years back. I now have my sights on a 2nd gen MR2 (also a great video for that one). :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed them.
I used to own a 89 white package! great vids!
Duke Thanks! Nice car!
when you got it youuuuuuuu GOT it! wow........
Early 2000s is when the spirit of Japanese sport cars died. Supra, R34, S15, RX-7, DC5R, Celica GT-FOUR, etc. are among the victims. Even Caldina was discontinued during that time. :(
Pretty much.
True. But I still like the GTR!
Also I would love this video to be longer and talk about customer feed back, design challenges, marketing, and development.
I really hope the FT-1 concept becomes the new Supra! It looks so cool!
I love Supra!
Fast and Furious Fanboy Supra Owners endangered the stock supras turned into drag ricers making the all stock supra rare. Thank you. Now im struggling to find a stock
+Land Rover Discovery 4 #TRUTH
Awesome video! I love the 90's Japanese cars
+João Paulo Thanks!
Your videos are always awesome! This one didn't disappoint.
Thank you for taking the time to post this video
Great video sir!
+Brian Farkas Thank you!
Good video. Keep up the good work.
Supraman Thanks!
Excellent video !!!
great info plus vid presentation...this vid should get more view ^^
+ryuneko Thanks! Fingers crossed.
seriously great job bro and supra (mark 4) is my fav car of all time...i'm kind a devastated that they not gonna use the ft-1 design huhu...
Love your content man, Love the history behind these cars.
Great content
Thanks!
a good mk2 review. ty
Am excited and hopeful for the next gen supra. Only bummer is it's probably gonna cost 100k+ since its probably gonna wanna compete with the gt-r and nsx.
Not really. Check out my video of the MK5 Supra if you haven't seen it already:
ruclips.net/video/OxTlE1jSjOU/видео.html&lc=Ugzj8A4pTwFLiHjX9oR4AaABAg
I have a mk3 1989 Supra & I would love to see a new Supra. I’d buy it immediately
Nice Job!!
From everything I've heard the power is not linear at all. Its feels like a v6 mustang under 5k RPMs and the lights up like an R6 after that. If toyota wants the new supra to be a success it has to have the right price tag and power. The 94 Turbo had 320hp so 24 years later lets hope for 450 hp minimum.
Awesome news and work! +1 Sub!
BPEK Supra Interactive Thanks!
BPEK Supra Interactive please do one on the Subaru sti
I love Toyota
Lamborghini: 500HP
Ferrari: 600 HP
Supra: So Funny. 1000 HP
Great video! I have owned both of these fantastic cars
Toyota Supra Turbo is the best of the batch from the JDM 90's era!
Cool video.... Toyota#1
great work !! Hi From Dominican Republic
Carlos M. Ortega Thanks!
like your vids man, but the yen actually strengthened vs the dollar which made exports to the US more expensive during that time period. You said the yen was weak in the video
True that. It should have strengthened, therefore increasing the cost of the cars in the USA to increase.
i will love the supra till i die
dude you got yourself a goshdarn new subscriber haha
Thanks!
Sad when my MR2 was mentioned didnt meet the bucket.. Huhuhu... nevertheless love your video like always
As I remember, SZ-R also had Getrag transmission, not only RZ-R, RZ, GZ
You're a beautiful person
Once again I am ancient enough to remember when Toyota released these. I remember them being pretty darn popular from release actually. A friend of mine had I believe an 85 or 86 Supra that was very very quick, handled like a house fly, had stellar brakes, was actually reliable enough to drive every day and CHEAP!
+Bryan McHugh 😂
hey great video!! thanks!!
You're welcome!
If it looks like the concept, the mk4 will reign supreme.
Christian Dinero Yes, that'll always be the case. The MK4 is a classic.
keep doing the history videos good job
Miguel Lopez Will do! Thanks!
Damn u deserve way more than 4K subs 😕 what do u think of a supra mk4 as a first car?
+Uzi B The problem with older cars is just that, they are older and may need work done to bring them back to their glory days. I'd buy one if their won't be a lot of money/work involved to make it reliable and driveable.
GT Content ok thanks man
I'd like to see a Video on the History of the AE86 and the Altezza/is300
"SUPRA" more simply means "ABOVE" in Latin (as used even in essay references), which explains why the first one was the "Celica Supra" ... upscale model or above the Celica.
Is that a Supraaaaaa braaawww stutututuuuuu....!!!!!!
MK4 IS MY DREAM CAR
he didnt talk about how the supra mk4 came from, a 1991 Toyota Soarer z30, seems like people forget that the mk4 wouldnt be around if the soarer wasn't there, what a shame that the sc300 z30 was so under appropriated
Now can we please get the history of the Subaru WRX STi. PLEASE
nicholas lightner Funny you should ask as I'm working on it right now.
I heard D1GP's, Manabu "Max" Orido drives his Supra JZA80 drift car.
will you do the celica ???
Asian 3.0 That's in my backlog.
omg im new to this channel and when the video started I thought I was looking at an alien. Sorry, great vid tho
That face you have when you know you got it.
Celica went 4WD, would be cool to do a video on the 'real' Celicas ... however we all know you dont get them in the US
if the Supra doesn't have a inline 6 i Will cry
+DANK DAVE BMW I6 😰
The v160 is in the sz-r and it runs a 2jzge
Suprahhh Good to know!
Please do a history of "AE".
Please make an explanation video of the history of the toyota ae86
It's technically a Corolla. I don't believe anything in the lineup is "Exciting" other than the AE86/Trueno. I'll keep it in mind.
Do the FRS! I subscribed in hopes you will !
There's not much of a history since there is only one generation. I'll see what I can come up with.
You missed the 1988 Turbo A Spec.
Do the starlet, do the nissan sunny gtir/Pulsar
My favorite is toyota supra mk4
3:45 "With four cams in each cylinder head" It's a inline isn't it my dude? call outs
Good catch! Should have been "four cam LOBES in each cylinder head" (2 intake & 2 exhaust). I'll add a note in that timeframe.
hohoho I'm surprised I was first to notice, just assumed you were a bigger channel, subscribed my dude :)
valves
ghettodriftmonkey1 Haha I also noticed, I was just scrolling through the comments to see if someone has already noticed. I guess you did! :-)
5:35 Not true. The 6 speed manual was also available with the non-turbo Supra SZ-R.
That's true for the USA as I stated during the introduction to this video. I understand other markets received various options, but there were too many variations, details and special models which may lead to confusion and would distract from the scope of this video.
Ok....I get what you're saying...BUT...what about the Altezza? I feel it deserves mention during the "successor" aspect of the conversation, Especially given the fact that you mentioned the GT86. Sure a Stock RS200 doesnt pack quite the punch that Mk5 did, but, is it really coincidental that the 2JZ-GTE is such a compatible swap for the Altezza/is300 Chasis? I'd like to hear your thoughts @GT content
The IS300/Altezza was sold alongside the MKIV Supra. It's targeted at a different market being 4-doors and in the US, "luxury". There was also a 4-cylinder offering for other markets and the Supra was never offered with one. The closest car to the Supra would be the SC300 (2-doors, 2JZ, RWD).....also known as the poor man's Supra.
ok, i see where you're going. thanks for the reply. i appreciate the knowledge.
5:49 Toms Supra is 3SGTE engine
Everytime i see mk1 supra front i always think of suv
+Deluxe 😂
Hey can you do the history of Honda Preludes!!
+Cristian I'm backed up at the moment, but will see what I can do.
Didn't think you'd reply but much preciated!!! Oh okay that's good take your time..
Cristian hello there big prelude fan here as well.
I hope they keep it an inline 6 .....when the R35 came out I was so disappointed ...
And yes I've owned a R35 Nismo edition ....its like driving a fast comfortable couch .....
big living room sofa ....fast but not engaging.
Ive had almost everything ....even had an 2011 Lp-670 SV
my wife has a clean 1 owner MK3 turbo that getting a 1j or 2j swap soon ....maybe even a 1.5 J
but I need to do more research on the 1.5J swap first and why its done and for what reasons lol
Never really liked the sound of V6 motors I like line 4s ....inline 6s v8s v12s and so on
it all stated with the 350z ....first to sell out their racing heritage in the 80s with v6 300zx
please do one for S13 if you haven't
Done: ruclips.net/video/PwhiX00AFs4/видео.html
Very informative....but new crossovers are killing cars...as for the Supra..watch an old Motorweek video...it was $48,000 for the car when the corvette was $37,000 ...
I still believe the mk3 looks the best !
History of the celica please???? Lol
5:22 Torque output was 315 lb-ft
+Tracy Nine Good to know. Thanks
If I can find these cars to collect how much are the values of these cars for each model?
If Toyota doesn't keep the 2JZ or make a better version, it will flop. That car is more considered a 2J than a Toyota Supra in my eyes.
most enthusiasts eyes.
i agree with you but theyyll most likely have a boring inline 4 and a bmw inline 6, hence making it a literal discount z4.
Hey Gary I have a question for you... were their any Mkiv twin turbo supras from the factory that doesnt have the turbo badge in the back? Depending on the year? Or shall I assume that people with turboed supras (2jzgte) with no turbo badge were originally an NA and someone just install the 2jzgte motor?
On a stock Supra, the left side of the trunk will have the "Toyota" badge and the right side will have "Supra" badge for all 93-96 N/A & TT and 97-98 N/A. The "Supra Turbo" badge was only offered for the 97-98 TT in the USA.
Thanks for the new knowledge and quick reply!
YW!
Hate to disappoint but mark 5 is a BMW Z4 🤦♂️
i'm guessing the GT86 fills the space of where the Celica would of been.
Kyle Soler That's what I would assume also.
i fear i will not buy a bew one as i hate automatics i may get a wreck n do a swap later n the other issue is toyota should have cast built there own inline six
The MKIV Supra 's biggest rival is the Skyline GTR R32-R33-R34.
I'd disagree. The Supra's biggest rival is Nissan's Z-car since it's initial design was to compete with the Z. It's got a front engine and rear wheel drive layout like the Z and a 6-cylinder. It's great to know that it (MKIV) is (dare I say it) better than the Z (Z32) and capable of competing with the GTR(32/33/34).
Retardday1
Reported for lies
LegitForEverything Who are you
But why they stopped making supras whyyy
If people just go to Toyota's (Japan) website, they can learn the Supra started in Jan of 86. Inspired by the high end Celica. The US history is wrong.
And now the new Toyota Supra is just a rebadged m4
these "history of" videos are fucking money.
Do the celica
I've got a ton other ones in the backlog. I'll see what I can do.
Thnx , btw nice content
The new Supra has nothing in common from the past Supra's! It just a BMW.
Unrelated I guess but if it is illegal to import to the USA if the car is less thab 25 years old, why is it? Its not like the company changes the car model tf
I'm not too keen on the 25year rule. It sounds more like an anti-import law.
What do you think of the MKV Supra?
If you're not a Toyota purist, then it's a great car. Better to have something rather than nothing. It seems to he doing well from initial reviews.
Skyline history ? Or GT-R history ?
+Steez R47 GTR history is already in my backlog.
GT Content backlog?
+Steez R47 GTR, Z, Miata, 911 Turbo, M3, Camaro, Mustang, Charger/Challenger, Corvette....
No sign
u tired?
* L types had 15" wheels.
when did the celica or mr2 get brought back
lol dont you have to be gone to get brought back
If you live in the US, then it was brought back. If you're outside, then no.
when was it brought back??
lmao i have made no research and im trying to argue with you lol
lol