the silly thing is tho we could build this ship today but people want to keep building ships on earth inside gravity instead of making a space port to manufacture vessels like this but for exploration instead of war only major problem is money and people are scared of nuclear power.....
A note for the animators: In the sequence at 3:35 where the larger turret swivels and fires a salvo, the trail that the projectile leaves wouldn't stay attached to the barrel of the gun if the ship was under thrust as it appears to be. The trail would immediately fall away in the direction of thrust as the ionized gasses aren't accelerating any longer once they leave the coilgun.
I love the realistic design of these ships, and the way that they actually move through space like spacecraft. Most books/movies use a two-dimensional plane as the stage in space, like an ocean. But The Sojourn actually uses all three dimensions of space.
I love that all the guns are placed in logical superfiring positions so they don't cock up their lines of fire. By chance did the Honor Harrington series provide any inspiration for this series? Cause I loved those books and this series really gives me those vibes.
So... nobody other than me is intrigued by the fact that centran captains still carry decorative swords as part of their uniform. That's cool. That's cool. Just checking. BTW: I really like how humanity in the Sojourn-verse seems to have a very deep maritime culture. Even though nautical terms are often applied to space travel we don't usually see it the extent that this series takes it. Great worldbuilding guys.
The officers in many militaries carry old symbols of authority. I do agree that a starship captain with a sabre seems odd. Because naval traditions are the expected trope while sabres are more commonly associated with cavalry traditions.
It's a badge of authority. In addition, parade and dress uniforms serve no practical purpose other than looking good, so you may aswell carry a sword. Everything looks better with a sword.
There seems to be a lot of inspiration drawn from the Age of Sail in the world-building here. Vessels are divided up into Ships of the Line and smaller ones, including frigates (which are seen as more desirable postings to Ships of the Line), Ships of the Line are graded on the Rating system, their point defense weapons are nicknamed swivel guns, the shuttles are called Longboats...I'm surprised they didn't grade their guns by shot weight.
@@draco84oz Space navy has some logic. The navy is an organization with much experience in operating, living on, working on ships. Life on a starship is really not much different from life on a submarine in many ways. And of course there's Star Trek.
I really like how both this frigate and the tripathia look a lot alike as they are both centran warships. Great content as always and I wish you the best Spacedock
Yep. I love the consistent design lineages of the ships in this series-the lozenge-shaped frames of the Centran Defense Force and the catamaran designs in the Frontier Union Militia-with the only divergences in those patterns making perfect sense in-universe; looted Centran ships for the Militia, and the Guin being the only prototype from a canceled modernization program for the CDF.
I had a similar concept of a centrifuge layer out as a flat horizontal like the one here. What's amazing about this is that you can have the habitat module reline itself to meet gravity means doing acceleration or deceleration. I'm glad the idea is out there and that I can lead to unique designed ships.
well you're gonna have to design the rooms in a way that allows the ceiling to be used as a floor. at least if you want to use both sides of the centrifuge as living space.
While I like the idea of a more simplified version of the Tripathia’s centrifuge system, the way it has been animated seems like it has a massive problem, because when the segment is rotating, gravity will act opposite to the axis of rotation, meaning half of the decks will be oriented in the opposite way to each other, but thrust gravity will act towards the engines, so all decks must be oriented in the same direction
Quick fix: there are two sections within the centrifuge, that rotate about an axis to correctly orient themselves to thrust or spin gravity. The ability for both sections to rotate means the centrifuge can be stopped in either position, as quickly as possible, so as to allow the frigate to engage rapidly enclosing hostiles.
@@icebolt0864 I am now imagining a critical failure where both segments are spinning while the whole system is spinning, immediately killing everyone inside.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 I think the Tripathia does this very well, but I was talking about the Confiance’s system, which is meant to do the same thing, but has been simplified, leading to the problems I described above
@@icebolt0864 I feel like that introduces a considerable amount of complexity compared to what we were shown in the video, and, as far as I can tell, the only reason to choose this system over the Tripathia’s is that it’s a lot simpler, which would then be lost by this change
It isn't? I hadn't even heard of this series before I saw this video, but now I'm certainly interested. I like how the ships seem to have a very Honorverse-type aesthetic.
@@darkdruidsvale Daniel had a falling out with Audible a few years back, I think over some unfair terms in their licensing. The Sojourn was going to be a (semi) animated work, kind of like a narrated graphic novel, but unfortunately that fell through. I would really like it to be one day, as I just can't get into audio-only works.
I've been eagerly waiting for a new Centran warship design, since I absolutely adore the Tripathia, and the Confiance did not disappoint. I love how the Broadhead-Lock coilguns are used to sell the size and power difference between the two, as in, the Confiance only has a third of the big guns compared to the Tripathia. I also love that the ships looks mostly the same, as ships have done throughout human history, but still have distinct design elements that help them stand out. I love me a streamlined design language *chef's kiss* Though the inclusion of the very cool Swivel Gun Emplacements just makes the Tripathia look a little more stupid for not having any point defence whatsoever but that's not the Confiance's fault. She's a solid frigate design.
@@whee38 The Confiance is about 40m shorter and about half as tall as the Tripathia. That's a decent size difference. But it's not the size that matters, it's firepower. The Confiance has 4x twin 15-inch turrets, 8x twin 10-inch turrets and torpedoes. The Tripathia has 12x twin 15-ich turrets and 8x twin 10-inch guns. Their armament is fundamentally geared towards different roles. The Tripathia is basically an artillery brick meant to slug it out with other ships-of-the-line. The Confiance is a patrol and escort ship meant to engage smaller targets and force multiply formations. Purpose is way more important than size.
Commodore Hawker keeping her flag aboard a Confiance class frigate reminds me of General Martok on DS9 keeping his flag aboard a Bird of Prey. Excellent touch to show why she was so beloved by her crew.
As with most of your designs it is a very cool ship and while there are some major oversights and failings (e.g. the retrograde engines would slam everyone into the ceiling and half the habitat hub will be upside down under thrust gravity) it's nice to see an effort being made for realism.
I love the animation. Hats off to those designers who took so much time and effort to make such a realistic looking SCiFI Ship we can enjoy. I'm sure I could spend hours just looking over all the details.
Great design! like the lore and the look as well. I have always been a fan of the term Frigate, and this sound like the space version of a napoleonic war frigate.
The grav deck is an interesting part. It certainly makes sense, but part of my engineering sense tells me its a little inefficent? I'd be thinking that a full ring inside the area would provide more usable floorspace rather than just a pair of arms.
The arms are because the decks have to be reoriented for thrust gravity. A fully circular centrifuge wouldn’t be able to do that without a highly complicated mechanism.
@@youtubepleb By that logic, there would only be one "arm". For thrust gravity, you want all floors aligned the same way. For centrifugal gravity (when stationary) you want all floors aligned towards the outer edges. If all floors are optimized for gravity when stationary, you could only use 50% of those two arms when it's aligned for thrust gravity. Since half would be upside down.
Absolutely GORGEOUS animations of the ships. Very much gives me ALL the vibes. Almost EC Henry quality! (i hope that is taken as the compliment it is meant to be!)
Gives me some pre-dreadnaught vibes. Two different sizes of gun in the main battery and arranged for coverage rather than being able to point everything at one enemy all the time. It's a good classic look. Leaves room for other designs that are more of the all-big-gun Dreadnaughts or copying the all-turrets-forward layout of the Nelson class.
I personally feel like this is the perfect "hero ship" size, because it's the right size to still be maneuverable and fast, but also have all the necessary facilities to make a heavily armed home away from home, like the clipper ships of old
Yet another banger ship. Every part of this universe makes Sence and is just awsome! Keep it up your doing a truly excellent job. I’d also love to see what a dreadnought/ first rate would looks like.
5:11 not sure how useful the locked part in the of the rotating deck would be under trust, at least the "forward, in direction of flight facing part" i would be thru trust been upside down to the "normal" centrifugal forces outward designed amenities... still a nice design and i love that it does not follow the "classic" Drum or Hammerhead Design Trap of other Franchises....
@youtubepleb then what would be the point of having a circular rotation deck instead of a hammer hab??? Don't get me wrong, I love the look.. Great style at all, but not very useful for "reality"...
Absolutely love the design of the ship! I have a nerdy question however. If the witdth of the ship is only 54, 25 meters, doesn't that make it to small to create a viable spin gravity environment with a rotating segment within the dish? With a radius that small I calculated that the rotating segment of the ship would need to spin at something like 56 rpm in order to create an acceleration of 1 g at its outermost points (feel free to correct my math, I likely made some errors). I feel like this would create a considreable coriolis effect if nothing else. Also the compartments closer to the center of spin would have almost no gravity at all. Is this adressed some way in universe or is it just a case of don't think about it too hard?
"Confiance class frigates are adaptable in the roles for which they are employed" talking about expressing a simple concept in the most complicated way ;)
I feel like people are not quite understanding the gun size on this ship. 4x 15inch gun turret, 8x 10inch turrets, all twin linked. That’s on pair with some of the biggest battleships of ww2 like the Iowa class, or the Bismarck. A broadside from this would evaporate other ships, and turn stations into slag. I mean christ, with shells that size, you could carry a load out of pure tungsten shells for planetary bombardment. I absolutely adore how hard Sci-fi these ships (retrograde thrusters, spin gravity, etc) are whilst still pulling from the age of sail to the extent they do.
How does the centrifuge work when under thrust gravity? Surely either one of the walls in both sections is going to become the floor under thrust or one of them is going to be upside down? So either every piece of furniture in those sections is going to have to be detachable and carefully rearranged when changing gravity directions or it's all going to have to be nailed down and everyone evacuated from one of the two sections, neither sounds like particularly good options
I suppose if the two sections had their own independent hinges you could rotate them both into a sort of V shape facing backwards which would put the floors of the two sections at like a 30 degree angles to the apparent gravity direction which still isn't ideal but probably better than the alternatives. Or maybe the CDF is willing to pay out for gravity plating on their frigates and the rotating section is there for show
Here's my plan. Assign one side of the centrifuge to be sleeping quarters, while the other half is recreational. When you go under thrust, lock the centrifuge such that the sleeper section aligns to ship gravity (i.e. with the floor pointing fore when under retrograde thust, and pointing aft when under prograde thrust). Then you can send the sailors in the recreation area on duty while the sleeper section isn't too badly affected.
I've also just had the idea that they might have a complicated mechanism with the rails that allows the pivots to detach from the central pivot column and have the two sections pivot around what is the bottom floor of each section so they both become parallel, although at that level of complexity it would seem like the tripathia class habit mechanism would've come first and this is a more complicated version to allow the habitats to remain inside the hull, which might have some advantages in protection
@@jennifierburnett2901 Iirc the Tripathia is older in lore than the Confiance class, so it could well be that the Frigate's habitat is more advanced than the Tripathia's.
I see everyone's loving the ship and narration, but can we just appreciate how good the artwork and animation for The Sojourn has gotten? I remember when the Guinevere was nothing but a few sketches and a rough deck layout, and now we have full cut-away artwork and animations of ships and torpedoes launching and guns firing.
This is interesting and I contrast it with the very short ships of The Expanse. This frigate is half a Donnager in length if I understand it correctly.
why would hte centrifuge only be a rectangle? the forces are dependent not only on the speed of hte module, but also the radius from the center. (Fc = (m * v^2) / r) you would get more surface area of the same gravity if you filled the whole volume. And even if the volume WOULD be filled, youd still have to have a second section anyway. Gyroscopic precession is a thing.
I love the spin gravity segment of the ship, but it does confuse me. If it locks back into the ship's structure while the ship is under thrust, half the section would be, from its perspective, upside-down. What is the perspective of the crew in the unlucky segment? Do they have to stick all the furniture down and evacuate the area while under thrust? Given that that's the crew compartment and sickbay, that seems like an enormous problem?
i was curious, noticing the differentiation between "bodkin-lock" and "broadhead-lock" coilguns, if these are meant to delineate between different ammunition types (since broadhead and bodkin are types of arrowheads) or if they refer to hull placement and strategic role perhaps? its an interesting little bit of worldbuilding that has me curious, and i was hoping if you could explain further. great work as always, such an elegant and thorough design and lore, keep it up guys 👍
In-universe, Broadhead-Lock refers to a series of coilguns of the 13 - 15-inch caliber. Bodkin-Locks are 10 - 12-inch. Since those are also IRL arrowhead-types based on shape, usage, and power - I can see where they're coming from with this.
6:10 wait, quick question, why is there any negative space in the centrifuge area? wouldnt it work just as well and provide more hab space if it was circular rather than with unused space? am i missing something?
The only issue with a full circular centrifuge is that under thrust the section that are off the centerline will experience weird sideways gravity. Plus they’re heavier.
My ONLY qualm with this ship is that the PD guns are a bit big, 152mm seems like you would never be able to store enough ammunition for sustained rate of fire, not to mention barrel heating. It’s also a rather slow shell in general.
While 160mm guns are quite big for the role, I would presume that choice was made in the name of versatility. A full bore slug or APHE shell has the potential to do far more damage to a hostile ship than an equivalent mass of 30mm projectiles while big, proximity fused shrapnel rounds can go a long way to make up for limited fire rate and/or ammo stowage when it comes to seeing off missiles and fighters. It also leaves you plenty of volume to play around with if you want to experiment with self guided projectiles, bundle up a bunch of submunitions into a single round, replace conventional explosives with a small nuclear fission device, and a bunch of other fun stuff.
@@StacheMan26 Well I’m going off what we saw and heard, and it seems their primary purpose is point defense, and this is not the most efficient (and not the cheapest) way of going about it.
They are magnetic guns, so they don't need the cartridges, only the projectiles, less than half of the lengt. Also, there are hipersonic 120mm today, give us a couple hundred years, we can get a 500mm to go that fast. And the heating problem would be the same with a 20mm, the real dealbraker is the liquid cooling sistem for the guns, eyther it works or not. But the calber is somewhat of an overkill for such small ships, 220 m is not that big, considering WWII frigates had some 160 m. Givven that they are to destroy even smaller ships, and they even had bigger "tools" to deal with bigger tasks, it makes no sense.
@@yourfriend8052 They are. All ship-board weapons in Tantalus are magnetic accelerators, it’s just smaller autoguns aren’t called such. Can you imagine how confusing it would be if everything was called a coilgun?
Great, realistic, Newtonian design. I love Star Trek and Star Wars, but they are about as far away from physics as you could possibly get as it relates to how ships in space navigate, start and stop, etc.
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Are the insides of these ships of yours Zero G environments?
Everyone literally floats around on the inside, like in the Hermes from The Martian?
YEAH the narrator is the best , really love the audio books , thanks for this video.
the silly thing is tho we could build this ship today but people want to keep building ships on earth inside gravity instead of making a space port to manufacture vessels like this but for exploration instead of war
only major problem is money and people are scared of nuclear power.....
@@pendragon0905 Most are, but the Guinevere specifically has artificial gravity plating.
"It looks like a god dam stick, but its a beautiful god dam stick." My first words upon laying eyes on this ship. (Seriously it looks so cool)
A note for the animators:
In the sequence at 3:35 where the larger turret swivels and fires a salvo, the trail that the projectile leaves wouldn't stay attached to the barrel of the gun if the ship was under thrust as it appears to be. The trail would immediately fall away in the direction of thrust as the ionized gasses aren't accelerating any longer once they leave the coilgun.
good spot
Would it? Smoke has mass, and mass has inertia. Without anything else acting on it (resist, wind etc) the smoke wouldnt drift off.
@@TheMikeBravo the ship itself is also accelerating further while the smoke isnt
maybe that's an artistic choice.
remember, coilguns can be quite fast, maybe it just wasnt a large enough accel to make a diff in the artist's mind
I love the realistic design of these ships, and the way that they actually move through space like spacecraft. Most books/movies use a two-dimensional plane as the stage in space, like an ocean. But The Sojourn actually uses all three dimensions of space.
I enjoy that bit of irony with how much the setting draws from Age of Sail era Navies and Traditions.
I love that all the guns are placed in logical superfiring positions so they don't cock up their lines of fire.
By chance did the Honor Harrington series provide any inspiration for this series? Cause I loved those books and this series really gives me those vibes.
They probably copied that from warships here on Earth.
So... nobody other than me is intrigued by the fact that centran captains still carry decorative swords as part of their uniform. That's cool. That's cool. Just checking.
BTW: I really like how humanity in the Sojourn-verse seems to have a very deep maritime culture. Even though nautical terms are often applied to space travel we don't usually see it the extent that this series takes it. Great worldbuilding guys.
They also jam a wooden mast through the bridges of their ships.
The officers in many militaries carry old symbols of authority.
I do agree that a starship captain with a sabre seems odd. Because naval traditions are the expected trope while sabres are more commonly associated with cavalry traditions.
It's a badge of authority. In addition, parade and dress uniforms serve no practical purpose other than looking good, so you may aswell carry a sword. Everything looks better with a sword.
There seems to be a lot of inspiration drawn from the Age of Sail in the world-building here. Vessels are divided up into Ships of the Line and smaller ones, including frigates (which are seen as more desirable postings to Ships of the Line), Ships of the Line are graded on the Rating system, their point defense weapons are nicknamed swivel guns, the shuttles are called Longboats...I'm surprised they didn't grade their guns by shot weight.
@@draco84oz Space navy has some logic. The navy is an organization with much experience in operating, living on, working on ships. Life on a starship is really not much different from life on a submarine in many ways. And of course there's Star Trek.
Am I the only one who wants a Nexus: The Jupiter Incident styled game set in this universe? I'd love to be able to take part in some of these events!
4:03 "Engage the enemy more closely."
I understood that reference.
Late to this but i can know what its referencing?
@@henrycooper3431 nelson's last signal to the fleet at trafalgar
@@SG3Gunner oh, thanks alot for explaining
I really like how both this frigate and the tripathia look a lot alike as they are both centran warships. Great content as always and I wish you the best Spacedock
Yep. I love the consistent design lineages of the ships in this series-the lozenge-shaped frames of the Centran Defense Force and the catamaran designs in the Frontier Union Militia-with the only divergences in those patterns making perfect sense in-universe; looted Centran ships for the Militia, and the Guin being the only prototype from a canceled modernization program for the CDF.
I had a similar concept of a centrifuge layer out as a flat horizontal like the one here.
What's amazing about this is that you can have the habitat module reline itself to meet gravity means doing acceleration or deceleration.
I'm glad the idea is out there and that I can lead to unique designed ships.
well you're gonna have to design the rooms in a way that allows the ceiling to be used as a floor. at least if you want to use both sides of the centrifuge as living space.
This is such a beautiful frigate design it might be my second favorite out of the tripathia which is my most favorite I love that centrifuge!
Theo Bouvier really is an amazing animator
Those radiators... Beautiful, just beautiful.
Awesome ship!👍
Are the radiators warming the rotative section. Perhaps for thermal comfort for the passengers, saving electricity?
@@agbottan Radiators on spacecraft are for radiating heat *away* from the ship, rather than warming it up.
This is one of the best realistic spacecraft designs I've ever seen, (and I watch a lot of sci-fi), I envy any 3D artist that worked on this.
Gotta say, I love the ship design. The turret style especially reminds me of Homeworld and I love it. Keep up the good work
The animation in this video was absolutely stunning. You guys get more talented the longer this series goes for.
The animations are just amazing, gotta love it.
Suggestion, sell your ships design as a 3d printable file, MANY people would love that.
I second this, i will pay literally any amount of money for those files
I _love_ the use of old sailing ship terms.
While I like the idea of a more simplified version of the Tripathia’s centrifuge system, the way it has been animated seems like it has a massive problem, because when the segment is rotating, gravity will act opposite to the axis of rotation, meaning half of the decks will be oriented in the opposite way to each other, but thrust gravity will act towards the engines, so all decks must be oriented in the same direction
Quick fix: there are two sections within the centrifuge, that rotate about an axis to correctly orient themselves to thrust or spin gravity. The ability for both sections to rotate means the centrifuge can be stopped in either position, as quickly as possible, so as to allow the frigate to engage rapidly enclosing hostiles.
@@icebolt0864 I am now imagining a critical failure where both segments are spinning while the whole system is spinning, immediately killing everyone inside.
I think the Tripathias centrifuge folds.
@@nicholaswalsh4462 I think the Tripathia does this very well, but I was talking about the Confiance’s system, which is meant to do the same thing, but has been simplified, leading to the problems I described above
@@icebolt0864 I feel like that introduces a considerable amount of complexity compared to what we were shown in the video, and, as far as I can tell, the only reason to choose this system over the Tripathia’s is that it’s a lot simpler, which would then be lost by this change
Getting Theo on board for the animations is an excellent decision :D
Someone need to make this in to a TV series
It isn't? I hadn't even heard of this series before I saw this video, but now I'm certainly interested. I like how the ships seem to have a very Honorverse-type aesthetic.
its an audio drama(?) i thought it was on audible though now that i look at the links maybe it isnt
@@darkdruidsvale Daniel had a falling out with Audible a few years back, I think over some unfair terms in their licensing. The Sojourn was going to be a (semi) animated work, kind of like a narrated graphic novel, but unfortunately that fell through. I would really like it to be one day, as I just can't get into audio-only works.
@@sjholmesbrown ah rip, audio only is a 50/50 if the reader is skilled I can work with it, if not then it’s not a no go for me
I've been eagerly waiting for a new Centran warship design, since I absolutely adore the Tripathia, and the Confiance did not disappoint. I love how the Broadhead-Lock coilguns are used to sell the size and power difference between the two, as in, the Confiance only has a third of the big guns compared to the Tripathia. I also love that the ships looks mostly the same, as ships have done throughout human history, but still have distinct design elements that help them stand out. I love me a streamlined design language *chef's kiss*
Though the inclusion of the very cool Swivel Gun Emplacements just makes the Tripathia look a little more stupid for not having any point defence whatsoever but that's not the Confiance's fault. She's a solid frigate design.
This frigate is almost as big as the Tripathia class. It actually just makes the Tripathia feel unjustifiable
@@whee38 The Confiance is about 40m shorter and about half as tall as the Tripathia. That's a decent size difference. But it's not the size that matters, it's firepower.
The Confiance has 4x twin 15-inch turrets, 8x twin 10-inch turrets and torpedoes. The Tripathia has 12x twin 15-ich turrets and 8x twin 10-inch guns. Their armament is fundamentally geared towards different roles. The Tripathia is basically an artillery brick meant to slug it out with other ships-of-the-line. The Confiance is a patrol and escort ship meant to engage smaller targets and force multiply formations.
Purpose is way more important than size.
This is a stunning ship design. Well done!
Beautiful work. Enjoying the lore that is given with these ship breakdowns.
Commodore Hawker keeping her flag aboard a Confiance class frigate reminds me of General Martok on DS9 keeping his flag aboard a Bird of Prey. Excellent touch to show why she was so beloved by her crew.
Absolutely gorgeous renders in this!
As with most of your designs it is a very cool ship and while there are some major oversights and failings (e.g. the retrograde engines would slam everyone into the ceiling and half the habitat hub will be upside down under thrust gravity) it's nice to see an effort being made for realism.
This audiobook series is awesome. Can’t wait for more
I always love these ship designs and the short videos detailing them in the setting!
The fact that these ships can be so realistic and yet still so gorgeous is truly awe inspiring.
There she is. My new favorite starship.
Why isn't this a movie yet? I swear you will have some of the best sci-fi going.
I love the animation. Hats off to those designers who took so much time and effort to make such a realistic looking SCiFI Ship we can enjoy. I'm sure I could spend hours just looking over all the details.
Whoever makes a space engineer video of these Sojourn ship designs being put to battle would be a winner in my book.
YAAA! I love ships at this scale
This is genuinely my favorite ship from the Sojourn to-date.
More sojourn ship breakdowns, just what i was waiting for
It'd be great to see these models and such in mods for games such as Stellaris and Sins of a Solar Empire, or even Nebulous!
Great design! like the lore and the look as well. I have always been a fan of the term Frigate, and this sound like the space version of a napoleonic war frigate.
22 seconds in and I'm already drooling 😝 over that cross section
I feel like i’m listening to a high end car commercial as the lady explains all aspects of this warship 😂😂😂 I love this so much.
The grav deck is an interesting part. It certainly makes sense, but part of my engineering sense tells me its a little inefficent? I'd be thinking that a full ring inside the area would provide more usable floorspace rather than just a pair of arms.
The arms are because the decks have to be reoriented for thrust gravity. A fully circular centrifuge wouldn’t be able to do that without a highly complicated mechanism.
@@youtubepleb By that logic, there would only be one "arm". For thrust gravity, you want all floors aligned the same way. For centrifugal gravity (when stationary) you want all floors aligned towards the outer edges.
If all floors are optimized for gravity when stationary, you could only use 50% of those two arms when it's aligned for thrust gravity. Since half would be upside down.
@@KaffiRawr The other arm could be storage space, or another space that doesn’t need to be in regular gravity to be used.
@@youtubepleb Absolutely true.
Absolutely GORGEOUS animations of the ships. Very much gives me ALL the vibes. Almost EC Henry quality! (i hope that is taken as the compliment it is meant to be!)
Love the narration on this one!
Why are their production values so high?! I don't understand how they can do such incredible work.
I quite like the double-barrelled coilgun turrets and am thinking of implementing in my own spaceship design.
Gives me some pre-dreadnaught vibes. Two different sizes of gun in the main battery and arranged for coverage rather than being able to point everything at one enemy all the time. It's a good classic look. Leaves room for other designs that are more of the all-big-gun Dreadnaughts or copying the all-turrets-forward layout of the Nelson class.
Love the Nexus the Jupiter Incident influence! Looks great!
Someone needs to make a shipset for The Sojourn for both Stellaris and Nebulous.
Ur ship breakdowns for the sojourn are too good!
I was hoping you were going to announce the live action tv show or anime. One day...😊
I personally feel like this is the perfect "hero ship" size, because it's the right size to still be maneuverable and fast, but also have all the necessary facilities to make a heavily armed home away from home, like the clipper ships of old
Yet another banger ship. Every part of this universe makes Sence and is just awsome! Keep it up your doing a truly excellent job. I’d also love to see what a dreadnought/ first rate would looks like.
5:11 not sure how useful the locked part in the of the rotating deck would be under trust, at least the "forward, in direction of flight facing part" i would be thru trust been upside down to the "normal" centrifugal forces outward designed amenities... still a nice design and i love that it does not follow the "classic" Drum or Hammerhead Design Trap of other Franchises....
If you use it for things that don’t need to be upright (cargo for example), it can work.
@@youtubepleb thinking of mess, living quarters medbay, ect.... you do not use power to turn the boxes of unobtainium in circles...
@@SirHeinzbond ‘It’ as in the part that’s upside down. The other side can have all the other stuff.
@youtubepleb then what would be the point of having a circular rotation deck instead of a hammer hab??? Don't get me wrong, I love the look.. Great style at all, but not very useful for "reality"...
Absolutely love the design of the ship! I have a nerdy question however. If the witdth of the ship is only 54, 25 meters, doesn't that make it to small to create a viable spin gravity environment with a rotating segment within the dish? With a radius that small I calculated that the rotating segment of the ship would need to spin at something like 56 rpm in order to create an acceleration of 1 g at its outermost points (feel free to correct my math, I likely made some errors). I feel like this would create a considreable coriolis effect if nothing else. Also the compartments closer to the center of spin would have almost no gravity at all. Is this adressed some way in universe or is it just a case of don't think about it too hard?
Simple: It’s not trying to go for 1G. Some gravity is better than no gravity at all.
"Hold on tight guys, we'll bring them into the 6,3's range"
Commodore (at the time Captain) Ariana Hawker, battle of Atticus (possibly, I guess)
Love your ship designs Dan.
these get better and better
"Confiance class frigates are adaptable in the roles for which they are employed" talking about expressing a simple concept in the most complicated way ;)
you all should do a video on the different weapons show them firing and how they work .
I feel like people are not quite understanding the gun size on this ship. 4x 15inch gun turret, 8x 10inch turrets, all twin linked. That’s on pair with some of the biggest battleships of ww2 like the Iowa class, or the Bismarck.
A broadside from this would evaporate other ships, and turn stations into slag.
I mean christ, with shells that size, you could carry a load out of pure tungsten shells for planetary bombardment. I absolutely adore how hard Sci-fi these ships (retrograde thrusters, spin gravity, etc) are whilst still pulling from the age of sail to the extent they do.
Can we get some of these stills as wallpapers? An absolutely beautiful ship that I would gladly do the honour of putting on my desktop.
man all the sojourn ships are so rad!
What a beautiful breakdown!
These are amazing quality
At first I honestly thought this was something from Homeworld 3 or something. Well done.
I really love these videos
Great video guys, definitely reminds me of the Golden Age of Wooden Sailing Frigates, such as the USS Constitution.
One thing is that the front half of the centrifuge would be upside down when under thrust gravity
Here's to hoping we see more of the Centran Defense Force's fleet in the future!
How does the centrifuge work when under thrust gravity? Surely either one of the walls in both sections is going to become the floor under thrust or one of them is going to be upside down? So either every piece of furniture in those sections is going to have to be detachable and carefully rearranged when changing gravity directions or it's all going to have to be nailed down and everyone evacuated from one of the two sections, neither sounds like particularly good options
I suppose if the two sections had their own independent hinges you could rotate them both into a sort of V shape facing backwards which would put the floors of the two sections at like a 30 degree angles to the apparent gravity direction which still isn't ideal but probably better than the alternatives. Or maybe the CDF is willing to pay out for gravity plating on their frigates and the rotating section is there for show
Here's my plan. Assign one side of the centrifuge to be sleeping quarters, while the other half is recreational. When you go under thrust, lock the centrifuge such that the sleeper section aligns to ship gravity (i.e. with the floor pointing fore when under retrograde thust, and pointing aft when under prograde thrust). Then you can send the sailors in the recreation area on duty while the sleeper section isn't too badly affected.
I've also just had the idea that they might have a complicated mechanism with the rails that allows the pivots to detach from the central pivot column and have the two sections pivot around what is the bottom floor of each section so they both become parallel, although at that level of complexity it would seem like the tripathia class habit mechanism would've come first and this is a more complicated version to allow the habitats to remain inside the hull, which might have some advantages in protection
@@jennifierburnett2901 Iirc the Tripathia is older in lore than the Confiance class, so it could well be that the Frigate's habitat is more advanced than the Tripathia's.
I see everyone's loving the ship and narration, but can we just appreciate how good the artwork and animation for The Sojourn has gotten? I remember when the Guinevere was nothing but a few sketches and a rough deck layout, and now we have full cut-away artwork and animations of ships and torpedoes launching and guns firing.
I wonder if will see these within the expedition in the series
This is interesting and I contrast it with the very short ships of The Expanse. This frigate is half a Donnager in length if I understand it correctly.
the idea of a armoured centrufuge sounds amazing. Are there any other ships in science fiction that has the same design?
Totally need to make a tabletop fleet battle game.
Beautiful
Very well done, I see one minor problem with the design though: If the centrifuge is locked, one half of it would point the wrong way.
Thank you it isn't just me
Someone mentioned that on discord, it seems the design is made so that the floor and roof could be interchangable?
@@henrycooper3431 Possibly, that still would require some setup. Certainly not something you could do in a hurry.
Do the frigates keep with the rating system? If so, what rate is the Confiance? Fifth Rate? Sixth Rate? Fourth Rate?
What's the point of countering the distal movement of the torpedoes?
lookin great
This is gorgeous, game when ?
Before or after the animation series?
The sojurn designs are never not amazing, but this might just be the sexiest looking frigate in all of sci fi
Hope this is in the last part of the first season of The Sojourn
yay!
Wonderful!
why would hte centrifuge only be a rectangle? the forces are dependent not only on the speed of hte module, but also the radius from the center. (Fc = (m * v^2) / r)
you would get more surface area of the same gravity if you filled the whole volume.
And even if the volume WOULD be filled, youd still have to have a second section anyway. Gyroscopic precession is a thing.
It has to switch between thrust and spin gravity.
ya know it would be really great if the sojourn is more widely available outside the us and uk
So, armored cruiser we got huh?
Time to battlecruisers next!
I love the spin gravity segment of the ship, but it does confuse me. If it locks back into the ship's structure while the ship is under thrust, half the section would be, from its perspective, upside-down. What is the perspective of the crew in the unlucky segment? Do they have to stick all the furniture down and evacuate the area while under thrust? Given that that's the crew compartment and sickbay, that seems like an enormous problem?
I'm about to get that Guinevere cross section just to see if it has bathrooms or at least some toilets
i was curious, noticing the differentiation between "bodkin-lock" and "broadhead-lock" coilguns, if these are meant to delineate between different ammunition types (since broadhead and bodkin are types of arrowheads) or if they refer to hull placement and strategic role perhaps? its an interesting little bit of worldbuilding that has me curious, and i was hoping if you could explain further. great work as always, such an elegant and thorough design and lore, keep it up guys 👍
They refer to size groups. Bodkin-Lock coilguns are up to 10 inch wide, Broadhead-Lock coilguns are anything above that (with our current knowledge).
In-universe, Broadhead-Lock refers to a series of coilguns of the 13 - 15-inch caliber. Bodkin-Locks are 10 - 12-inch.
Since those are also IRL arrowhead-types based on shape, usage, and power - I can see where they're coming from with this.
Sooo when do we get a show or a game
you should do a vid on the longboat.
6:10 wait, quick question, why is there any negative space in the centrifuge area? wouldnt it work just as well and provide more hab space if it was circular rather than with unused space? am i missing something?
The only issue with a full circular centrifuge is that under thrust the section that are off the centerline will experience weird sideways gravity. Plus they’re heavier.
the looks give me nexus the juptier incident vibes
You should poke 2nd Dynasty on MMF and see if they could turn this into an STL, it'll be a lovely playable space!
Ok
I'm buying the book!
My ONLY qualm with this ship is that the PD guns are a bit big, 152mm seems like you would never be able to store enough ammunition for sustained rate of fire, not to mention barrel heating. It’s also a rather slow shell in general.
While 160mm guns are quite big for the role, I would presume that choice was made in the name of versatility. A full bore slug or APHE shell has the potential to do far more damage to a hostile ship than an equivalent mass of 30mm projectiles while big, proximity fused shrapnel rounds can go a long way to make up for limited fire rate and/or ammo stowage when it comes to seeing off missiles and fighters. It also leaves you plenty of volume to play around with if you want to experiment with self guided projectiles, bundle up a bunch of submunitions into a single round, replace conventional explosives with a small nuclear fission device, and a bunch of other fun stuff.
@@StacheMan26 Well I’m going off what we saw and heard, and it seems their primary purpose is point defense, and this is not the most efficient (and not the cheapest) way of going about it.
They are magnetic guns, so they don't need the cartridges, only the projectiles, less than half of the lengt.
Also, there are hipersonic 120mm today, give us a couple hundred years, we can get a 500mm to go that fast.
And the heating problem would be the same with a 20mm, the real dealbraker is the liquid cooling sistem for the guns, eyther it works or not.
But the calber is somewhat of an overkill for such small ships, 220 m is not that big, considering WWII frigates had some 160 m. Givven that they are to destroy even smaller ships, and they even had bigger "tools" to deal with bigger tasks, it makes no sense.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 I’m pretty sure they aren’t magnetic, it specifically says swivel gun emplacements, not coilguns or railguns.
@@yourfriend8052 They are. All ship-board weapons in Tantalus are magnetic accelerators, it’s just smaller autoguns aren’t called such. Can you imagine how confusing it would be if everything was called a coilgun?
I am a bit disappointed that no ships I have managed to scribble together look even half as good as these
do.
Great, realistic, Newtonian design. I love Star Trek and Star Wars, but they are about as far away from physics as you could possibly get as it relates to how ships in space navigate, start and stop, etc.