Do I NEED a CNC Plasma Table? Cost Effective Options
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2022
- We all need to get parts cut from time to time and it seems like every car focused RUclips channel has a CNC Plasma these days. I don't have the space - so what are my options - that's the subject of this video.
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SendCutSend completely replaced my desire to deal with owning my own CNC plasma, it's great they've extended their services into Canada. While I'd use a CNC plasma a lot in my home shop, it's less fun handling large stocks of base material, having to deal with recycling scrap material, machine and table maintenance... fiddling with settings every time I'm changing materials, dealing with deburring and cleanup of the slag. The CNC plasma takes up a large footprint, and while it's in operation, it's a loud piece of kit that makes it impossible to film in the shop unless you're shooting b-roll of the unit. While you pay more (surprisingly not THAT much more) to get laser from SCS delivered to your door, you're circumventing a LOT of headache and can spend the money on other tools in the shop.
100 percent agree. As soon as the emailed me, I stopped looking at getting a CNC plasma.
For the love of all that is holy thank you for showing your garage. It makes me not feel as bad for having stuff everywhere every so often. You see these RUclips creators surgery's and its disgusting 🤣
This is how it always is and I like it that way!
What Gavin said! My wife tells me to clean the garage and my reply is that I'd never find anything if it was clean and organized. And the clutter helps hide my whiskey so that I can buy a cheap whiskey and by the time I find it in my garage, it is aged to perfection :)
I’ve been using this method a lot lately. There are things that just made more sense to farm it out and it’s so easy in the digital age. Now back to the car. I think you and I are in a race to see who can build a car the slowest!
I'm running out of ways to kill time on this one. Almost ready to make progress. LOL 😆
I like how easily you talked yourself out of cleaning up 😎 Good to find out Send Cut Send will now ship up to us in the ice floes
Cleaning up...not my strong suit. I usually do that when the job is done. When this car is done, I'm going to just push the garage in and build again.
And... you've tagged evey channel I watch. Good on you for spreading the love.
Inspiration is a two-way street!
Another vote for SendCutSend. I've been using them for about a year, got about a dozen orders in so far and have been EXTREMELY happy. I'm CAD savvy so exporting a clean DXF is no trouble and I've never had a problem, plus they ship pretty fast. It's usually cheap enough for me to get a spare or two if I'm bending or fitting something in case I goof.
That's great to hear...now you have a discount code for your next order!
Awesome work! You have gotten through to SCS, and saving other Canadians 15%!
The code works for everyone!
Big win getting SendCutSend to come over from the dark side and actually ship to Canada! Congrats!
I'm sure I wasn't the only one asking!
Thanks for the video, great info! And thanks for the discount code!
There's now a landing page to get the code - sendcutsend.com/maker-throttlestopgarage/
Super happy with my Send-Cut-Send parts and new discount code means I need to design more parts!
Great 👍
Plasma table is definitely a want for garage, but it is definitely a big investment. Send cut send definitely seems like the next best thing.
They sure have helped so far!
Lol, that is awesome. I'm glad that Send Cut Send came through in the end and made a solution just for those tinkerers north of the wall.
Also, road rash on the elbows? That looks like it hurt like hell.
It literally caused me to feel relief!
Great points made!
Thanks
not all heros wear capes, good work turning those guys around!
I'm sure I was not alone!
Send cut send has changed the way I do all my fabrication
Awesome to hear.
SuperfastMatt... while you're sitting around sulking about missing speedweek... you should mention Throttle Stop Garage. You both are great and both of you deserve more subs.
Thanks. I know he's a but busy at the moment.
i got the idea. interesting !!!. i am short on space in the garage too!!!
There is now a landing page with a discount code for viewers. sendcutsend.com/maker-throttlestopgarage/
I've watched a quite a few if your videos and enjoy watching what you do. Don't usally comment but alot of us have problems with USD bought stuff. Seems like the big companies are usally the only one that like to ship to Canada the smaller or private companies it cost too much or hassle. I won't even go to the back yard guy selling the odd part.
I had ordered a brake part same size as a wheel cylinder. $40 usd part + shipping, by the time I got here I was over $120 cad and that without paying duties. He landed going to BC and mailed it from there with more parts I needed and shipping was less then the part.
BTW, most don't know but if you buy antique parts for a certain vehicle for restoration purposes (can not be universal or aftermarket) before sending it, make sure you send it as antique/restoration parts and your taxes and duties gets reduced or don't have to pay at all.
100% How many shopping carts have you filled...then when you saw the shipping options, just walked away? I often ship to the border and pick up parts. Cheapest if you have time and enough stuff to make it worthwhile.
Thankyou for the shout out
You guys were the first to strongly support our community ❤️. Thanks for helping out all the RUclips builders.
Send Cut Send is fantastic and anyone who says its too expensive has likely never tried to get it done locally. All of the hassle and embedded costs of time lost and effort wasted on problem orders is the same almost everywhere. Apply logistics and mass production to the mix and small orders aren't small anymore. Love that company.
Completely true. Laser jobs are $250 to get them on the table. I don't blame them either. We're not their business model.
I've used them in the past and think their great if you are buying in quality like 10+ of the same part. Otherwise they seem to be pretty steep compared to local people. It's probably an exception but the local guy with a laser here will often do jobs for barley anymore the material costs.
Bigger....shed...sorted. Mate. What you get for about 30K, slab and all, is astounding. I've just invested in a 6 X 12 metre (20' X 40') shed and, although it's not here yet, will be the most amazing thing in my world. So much room to do whatever I need to do. And, yes. It's just for playing. Not for storing a lawnmower...or cars....just me and a lot of space. I only play with motorbikes, so it makes it SO much bigger, in the grand scheme of things. Once you have it, you have it. BTW. I love your channel. Good, honest stuff, well presented by 'a guy like the rest of us'. Love your work.
for 30k you could just slack off to have time to work on the projects for a year tho.
I'm working on plans for a new space right now.
@@lasskinn474 And, in a year, you'd be right back where you started....but you wouldn't have the money for the shed, anymore. There's no substitute for more room.
@@criticalmass181 you would've had a year to work on your project though and you would have your project, just saying that 30k is a lot of money.
it'd also be a lot of money to buy parts from send cut send, pcbway etc places you can get cut, printed and machined parts.
@@lasskinn474 I'm hearing you. It's true....you would have something at the end. But, if you want to do another, and another? You'll constantly be hampered by having little space to work in. If you invest in a big shed, you can always start something new another time. We all have different priorities, I guess. For me? It's the space to tackle anything I may want to do in the future. I see so many talented makers, on here, all struggling to get by with a shoebox.
Sorry I am American and I never came back from my happy place because you sent me there and didn't call me back. Im a machinist/fabricator and am thinking about setting up shop out your door and then debating whether or not to sell to America.😅 Love your content and understand frustration just maybe not all of yours first hand. Thanks
Lol...it's just part of the "fun"...this week it was pistons. Cost $100 to ship, and then I had to pay another $100 in tax and brokerage on top. The box was 5 lbs.
Few thoughts:
1- Since you have the know-how, maybe the local guys would let you use their stuff (for a fee) from 5:01 to 5:15 PM, provided you do the g-code and whatnot?
2- Delivery from the US: there are PLENTY of package forwarding companies that will receive your packages in the US and ship them back to you, their markup is very reasonable and they do package consolidation too to save on shipping;
3- Sendcutsend should sponsor you. In fact, I just demanded that in an email to them.
Thanks. There is no way the locals are letting me run their toys...You'd have to be somebody's brother or buddy for that kind of favor. I've shipped to the border for decades. It just makes no sense for small parts. So I'm very happy SendCutSend worked the shipping out. The rest of what I buy usually comes to the border and I pick it up. All my carbon fiber came that way. I did get a discount code for viewers etc. I usually go looking for sponsors. But don't worry, they have been more than fair.
Locals with $125k machine ask: "You want me to run YOUR g-code on my machine? Bwahahahahahahahahaha."
Good solution 👍
So far, very happy. I'd rather get the ideas rendered instead of struggling to get what I want.
You're just such a craftsman. The car is going to be awesome.
I think a plasma table would make sense for a business. I just can't see it making sense for personal use other than the convenience of having it done on your schedule. Like a couple others said, dealing with the related tasks such as deburring, cutting threads makes it more attractive to job it out.
Thanks for the kind words. This was my thinking. While it would be nice to do it myself, it doesn't make sense. If I need something in a pinch...no big deal to make it. Otherwise, I can wait a week.
Just like offshoring all our manufacturing to China eh?
thanks for the tip on doing things just off camera i will be using that trick 🤣
I wasn't even faking! Top tip to be sure.
Send cut send to ottawa is so massively cheaper and easier than locally it's kinda nuts. Just order a set of hub stands for doing alignments
Check out our landing page sendcutsend.com/maker-throttlestopgarage/ and get a discount! I'm still blown away by how fast and cheap they are - the support is a bonus.
Having been a CNC laser operator in my past there is a lot of cut offs and remnant pieces when cutting orders. You may want to check with your local shops or find someone in your vicinity and see if they may want to start their own plasma cutting business. I've known people that started that way and grew their own business.
PS Mind your elbows...😁
I've thought of it but don't have the time. Elbows are a long story!
Hi, found that smallish cnc mill can make a lot more parts than plasma, it is a bit longer work and setup time but it really helps to make great parts.
yes! exactly. and if its more larger brackets and less accuracy required on 3d parts, a cheap (and easy to put away) CNC router works great too.
@@TravisFabel routers usually have problem with steel, that kinda defeats the purpose
I've looked at quite a few lately. I used to get parts CNC machined in China, but the price got a little out of control.
@@ThrottleStopGarage best value is taig or tormach
I just finished watching the video by JD's Garage who sells $25 plans for a bolt-together plasma cutter.
You buy and cut the tubing and steel brackets, do your own 3D printing of plastic parts, and if you have a plasma cutter, it averages $300-500USD for the whole build (which I usually spend around $80). Guess who just ordered plans? I already have a 54x54 CNC router, but moving the 3" thick table out of the way would be a bear and a half.
Question about the stainless parts welded to steel bracket and frame: What about electrolysis? It's a real issue in rainy/snowy country.
SENDCUTSEND sounds like a Godsend to most people, though.
Nice - with how much of this I have to do, there is no way I can store the materials let alone cut the parts. It's just more efficient to use SendCutSend.com. I live in Canada - so I won't expand a lot more. Electrolysis is not a problem if the parts are welded.
Even if you buy a low cost plasma table, you need power and very dry air. I think I spent 2x the plasma table on a good compressor, re-wiring the shop, and plumbing. If I didn't have it, I'd use send-cut-send. Had good luck with them in the past.
I've got everything to run one and I really can't make it make sense without selling parts or having it as part of a grand business model for my channel that simply doesn't exist. Considering it costs me more to just book a job on a laser table than SendCutSend are charging for the entire thing - done deal. They get the business.
Very similar situation in Australia.
That's what I figured. Probably worse for you.
I built my cnc plasma 4 x 8 table and I would do it again. Your are doing that company's homework. My table paid for itself in less than a year. I don't advertise. I incorporate my table in almost every job I do. It has increased my efficiency greatly. What is that company's disclosure on those files. This is big because they can use your design if they have the correct disclosure and lawyers. As I said you are doing their homework if you send them a dxf, svg or whatever. They are prob selling those custom tabs you designed under another company name. Did a large run and sold them relatively cheap to you in your eyes but making more on the other run.
I trust that my intellectual property rights are protected. I don't have the space and can't justify the cost for a home shop. It's a hex in a piece of flat bar...nothing that special. I appreciate what your saying and if I was a company, I'd be very careful.
@@ThrottleStopGarage if you dont ask them about this they own it. Get a document from them. I had to do this a few times when the customer requested it.
Superfast matt been levaing us hanging with the discount code… damn.
Use the one in the description!
I really been thinking about a crossfire. 3 grand for a nice middle size. Hard to beat. Even cheaper if you get the small crossfire.
It depends on how much work you're going to give it. My last batch of parts from sendcutsend.com took just 4 days to get to Canada.
Get the small Langmuir table. I found mine new and unused in the Box for $800. Just add a plasma cutter and you're good to go. There are some very inexpensive plasma cutters that perform very well on this table. You seem like you would use a plasma table more than the average person and probably could have paid for it already with all the brackets I've seen in your video.
No question if a good deal came along and I have my new garage built, then it's on the list...but I'd also like their recent CNC gantry mill. It looks like a real tool not a toy.
I'm keen on importing an ArcDroid unit to Australia. I think these would cover 95% of anything I want to cut and hand cut the rest.
Impressive capabilities and I love the interface where you can transfer your cardboard drawing to a real design. Cleaver stuff.
I don't know if they ship to Canada but I prefer OSH Cut over Send-Cut-Send as I can upload 3D models directly and they pull the flat pattern from that. Saves me the trouble of exporting dxf and checking that it exported correctly and reformatting the lines etc.
I didn't know they existed. I use the sheet metal tools in Fusion 360 for layout (I used to do all these calculations by hand). I'm going to try their bending services next.
Get a Arcdroid or a Langmuir Crossfire you wont regret it !!!!
They may still end up in the shop. The Arcdroid is very tempting even at $2500 USD.
I live in Hawaii so I understand. There are companies that won't sell to me or if they do I get raped from UPS & FedEx. I just placed an order from a company for several small items, the freight cost to send the items to California was only $110. The same order having it sent directly to me here in Hawaii the UPS quoted cost came out to $525 UPS Ground $650 2nd Day Air that takes 4 days.
I should have said lower 48...Hawaii and Alaska - that's bad. Where I live we can almost see the border. Free shipping to the border...hundreds of dollars to get it the last 100 km.
Everything going well with the parts? Even TX got bloody cold and I’ve been getting roof snow clearing videos like mad. Just making sure the furnace is still going and the Volvo is getting more love than my Riviera!
I'll have a bunch of videos out in the new year showing off the parts as I build the new front frame. Everything has been perfect from SendCutSend so far - it really relieves the pressure of having to find someone to do this work and feeling like a bother. We have warmed up - this week has been above freezing. You've got to take what you can get if you're in Canada.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Actually lived in Edmonton for 2yrs but I was a baby. My father worked on the tar sands pilot plant.
Who was the company you have used locally?
Airtech...
Ahh the age old problem... Space. You might want to look at ArcDroid which solves, mostly, the space problem, but not the cost problem. And they're Canadian.
They were in the running there for a while. It's a cleaver machine.
Send cut send my friend, if postal cost is not extraordnary.
It wasn't for the first order. The speed was also really good. I can wait a week for most things.
UPS/Fedex Ground both sucks moose oysters. They have hit me for duty and import for WAY over the original value soley based on "what they think its actually worth"
I've got a gear set coming this week...it was stuck in FedEx's hands for a week. I'm not looking forward to that bill. It really is scandalous.
Send-cut-Send don't have a presence in the UK which is super (fast) annoying, and our local equivalent (fractory) doesn't seem to be anywhere near as cheap with significant setup costs.. sad times. So I spend hours ogling plasma tables that I, like you, could never fit in my garage even if I could afford them :)
There needs to be a presence in Europe. Someone needs to step up and fill the gap. So many useful technologies these days.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Yeah, a Send-cut-Send in Europe would be brilliant. Fractory is good but it's really just a 'front' for subcontractors.. which, don't get me wrong, comes in very useful sometimes! I am also lucky in that I have an excellent laser/fab company up the road (Henderson Fabrications for anyone in Northampton) who are or were happy to do cash jobs from time to time. But nothing beats the (perceived, I can't experience it ;)) convenience of S-c-S!
Blame border customs - it's the same problem with Canadian companies shipping to the US...
I'm just learning about this - some local Canadian companies are trying to sell cool fabrication tools and finding their US customers are complaining about the brokerage! This sucks.
@@ThrottleStopGarage it truly does suck… But the reality of it is money is changing hands and people want their cut
Enough with the threats about finishing the car already! 😉
LOL...I'm getting painfully close to making perceptible progress.
UPS. 3 letters that bring out all my 4-letter words.
Every time...
This is a sad state of affair. They used to rock. I once sent a package to an old girlfriend’s grandparents. The address was basically “The blue house at the base of John’s Mountain, Nowhere, West Virginia. They got it there on time, in perfect shape, and no hassle at all. But I’m not sure if it’s the dismal state of the world or if they have it worse than others, but they suck now. Very sad.
You definitely seem to suffer from a too small garage. Definitely not too much stuff. 😁
There are plans...
I’m buying a plasma cnc table for my shop and I would cut your parts for you I’m in Ontario Canada
Thanks for the offer!
Shipping from LA to Detroit: $4.39. Shipping from Detroit to Windsor: $180 to NO. WTF is this crap. In the old days there were whole semi trucks full of weed coming from Windsor to Detroit for little more than the cost of fuel.
It's exactly that crazy.
post shipping fee hate confirmed! top pet peev...
Yup...#1.
You've stacks of space....just get rid of that old Volvo ....problem solved.
But seriously seems to me that dealing with the US presents a business opportunity for someone wishing to become a forwarding broker or something like that.
SendCutSend worked it out...it is possible if the business cares.
Mpcnc an a non-hf plasma… $800
That's a tempting price.
Sorry, but I will use your garage pictures as defence every time somebody says mine is a mess
Happy to set the bar!
So the answer to .. "do I need a plasma CNC" .. is no.. I just need to annoy send-cut-send to the point where they will send parts to my neck of the Woods...
At this point...happy they're here to help.
@@ThrottleStopGarage stop wasting your time answering my lightly sarcastic ramblings and get back to work.. we want to see that thing move under its own power.. (oh and good work.. i especially liked the composites "series")
@@hisheighnessthesupremebeing LOL...but I love the comment section. I'm away for a few days of RnR then back on the grill project next week. Frame is next...and that's a bit daunting.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I'm sure it's well deserved.. just don't turn into a "Binky-serie" with a new episode once a year ... Cheers
No you dont want a CNC plasma table. not enough usage, not enough ability. large space. What you want is a CNC router or mill. Both let you make 3d shapes, you can carve from aluminum... mill has smaller work area, but lets you do steel, and you can cut everything the plasma table does.
Certainly on my list of things to invest in.
If you put the effort of finding a shop that would cut your parts for you into building a machine you would already be cutting.
All you need is a computerized arm for your plasma. don't over complicate the process.
I do build robots at work...it's not that I don't know how...it's more a question of does it make sense. I appreciate all the shopa that have cut parts for me and will cut parts for me...I also know that this car garage stuff is a burden for them. Having this service is critical to me getting this build where I want it.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I built an extra tall 2'x4' for a custom chassis shop. The design allowed tool boxes to be rolled under it when not in use to save space. Once the owner got drawing and code generation down, he says it is normally faster to remake the part than rework it by hand to fit.
It sounds like you have a grip on usefulness vs square footage. I'm not sure I can convince you that you need a cnc to strap your plasma to but I don't think you would regret it if you did.
Don’t know if you’re still checking comments on this video, but have you seen this Volvo? (dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=xm3s0qqTEYA. Jay Leno featured a Volvo 1800 with carbon body built on a vintage car by the Volvo racing division.
That car sure is making the rounds. I haven't watched the episode...been too busy.