The Good, The Bad, The Ugly... Crossfire Pro Plasma CNC Table: 6 Months Later
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Roy reviews his Langmuir Crossfire Pro after 6 months of use. This plasma cnc table review goes over the pros and cons. Langmuir System is not a sponsor. You can find them at www.langmuirsystems.com/.
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Hard to believe it has been 6 months already. Time flies. Thank you for sharing and the time and energy you put into everything. 👏
It is hard to believe for sure
Great video. I have been thinking of ordering one. It's nice to actually hear the cons with the pros. Most reviews are just the pros. I have been a little nervous about shelling out the dough because of the software. I'm not very computer savvy like the younger generation.
You say cost is a good thing but if they assemble things for you or weld things cost rises. I think they made a product for a specific user in mind. Someone without tens of thousands of dollars to play with but has the ability to put the puzzle together. All valid points you've made but in my opinion if all the things that are a negative are fixed cost starts becoming an issue. That being said great video for a potential purchaser thanks
I would like to have options. Offer it as this is, or give a couple of options for partial assembly. Yes, it will cost more, but despite what some people here are saying, fabricating things doesn’t mean that everyone will be good at assembling something complex that requires careful and accurate adjustments to get working properly. This is more like an erector set than any other machine I’ve seen.
Exactly get what u pay for, bud
I'm 70 and had no problem assembling my table....my z axis was mostly preassembled...I thought it was layed out very good
Just want to say, excellent review. Having your own business you recognize time is money. So, to pre-assemble the table would add to the cost. This being an entry-level machine for the hobbyist, the price point is important. So, everyone should keep that in mind. Just wanted to point this out.
If you put it together correctly the water table doesn’t leak! Been 6+ months and not 1 leak. Clean the mating surfaces is what most people skip. I used alcohol and scotch bright pads. Yes a single peace table would be great but that would cost a lot more to ship.
I agree. As an former aerospace machinist, I've seen properly assembled half million dollar lathes and mills leak on day 1. Surface prep is everything. Beyond that, if you aren't planning on taking it apart, weld it. together.
Mine leaked at the welds but everything else was good. I should have caulked them but forgot and had to go back.
A number of people have mentioned this problem. This isn’t a heavy, complex machine. The sealing should be better. That’s why so many people TIG the top pieces together. The screws they supply for the water bed look like alloy steel, not stainless. They’re black, so that’s a telling point. Stainless wouldn’t have cost much more. These screws will eventually rust.
Biggest upgrade for me will be the 21x30ft metal building. I really want to buy me a table once I understand Fusion360. Cool video.
shipping size and cost is a big reason for the split bed. The many parts you mention that could be either welded or preassembled in the factory, either have to be installed by you and I (or any customer), OR we pay the manufacturer to pay employee's to install (or do the welds). I'm sure they have to juggle the overall cost for the product AND the shipping to make it affordable. My guess is they are shooting for the $3k mark.
To your point though, maybe they could make that an option (like Prusa does on the main 3D printer). but I am willing to bet you, it would be another $300 to $400 for welds and minor pre-assembles and another $50 for the larger table (and packaging increases to keep it from damage, the larger that thin metal table gets, the easier it is to damage).
As you know, they have limit switch option now, perhaps that was thanks to your constructive criticism.
any way, thanks for thorough and honest look into this system.
oh, you may have mentioned this in other videos (I'm new to your channel), but I would highly recommend adding a 3D Printer to your shop. You could have printed many of the jigs, efficiency things, plasma torch clamp, wire management (including drag chains), etc. In almost every case, you will find these models already designed and for free out on thingiverse, printables, etc. So you can spend more time doing your ironwork, than mucking with 3D modeling. Just search for what you want, find some you want, download, and print.
It's simple business economics 101. If you want more per-assemblies or factory welded assemblies, someone at the factory is going to have to spend time doing that work. And they will need to be paid. Then the price of the machine will be higher. Then there would be people complaining about the cost of the machine. Same with longer cables, etc. Cheap is cheap, and "you get what you pay for"
I think you should film yourself FIXING the leak and making us all LOVE your channel even more. Most of us who buy these tables are fabricators... Meaning, we just really need the parts and we'll make the gizmo function like the hammer of Thor! Keep up the good work.
So glad I saw this video before I purchased this unit!
Love the honest opinion. Also love the blanks it produces.
Thank you sir for this kind comment :-)
I TIG welded the water bed seam from the get go. SO GLAD I DID! I also plugged the self tapping screw holes into the frame. Made some brackets, welded to base of water bed, screwed into frame. NO MORE HOLES IN THE WATER BASIN!
I mean..... you can't have "Its so affordable" and "the factory could have done more work" in the same sentence
ha....extra work aint cheap
Thanks for the whole story!
Your welcome
My bed does not leak, lots of parts came assembled, took 4 hrs to assemble , love the table. Solid.
Hear hear unit is a great buy. Roy is clueless!!! his complaints are ridiculous. If he wanted to cut 49 1/4 material buy machine that claims to cut same. If he cant seal a clamshell water seam he is the problem not the design. Spent 50 bucks and get a folded up onesy and weld corners. No limit switches easy to add if they have an input if no hardware input to the software make your own to cut power to stepper or set software limits. I could go on but this guy expects MIRACLES for a fantastic entry level machine. Price of unit says it all
Best review I’ve seen! Not a bunch of ads, unbiased, and you put it all out there to include your experience/limitations and the machine’s. Thank you! I was looking at spending some extra snow plowing money on CNC and a plasma cutter. Now, I think I’ll just invest in a little better plasma cutter (Hypertherm 45 XP) and maybe get into CNC later. Great job! Liked and subscribed! Hard to find honest and straightforward info.
Sounds like you did not look at any of the specs before you bought it. That in my opinion is on you.
Great review, thank you. I've been looking hard at this for a while and will probably pull the trigger on it soon. I was already aware of most of the "downside" portions you mentioned but it's good to be forewarned that it's not going to get bolted together in a day.
Still, as you mentioned it's a great way to get one's foot in the door and make some side income without doing a massive outlay for a truly "pro" machine.
Best machine for the money.....Hands down. and is dropped off on your door step by the ups man. Quit whining and just reseal the table. Mine leaked too but I blamed the guy assembling it. Only complaint I have was how long it took from order to delivery.
It would be nice to hear how to cut different thicknesses of steel. Like less than 2 mm. Maybe 14 gauge. I saw one guy saying he just uses the highest amperage on his plasma cutter and makes sure it is matched to the consumables for everything. Then he varies the cut speed. That makes me think there must be a right way to do it to get a clean cut.
100% assembly on you, is one of the major reasons why the price is so low.
My exact thought.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. If you’re not able to bolt some shit together, you probably can’t handle the software side anyways. It’s a non-issue
And you need to know CNC programming. Really not a problem at all.
"knock on wood, well i dont have any wood around me" Looks to me like your entire shop is comprised of wood bud...
I would be paranoid about welding and grinding and cutting, torching etc all day inside that wooden shop lol. our shop is all brick, concrete, and has an insulated steel ceiling. this shop reminds me of my garage at home where if i do anything in it, i'll stick around for about 30 mins after i finish to make sure nothings smoldering lol.
Thanks for the video man, I've been eyeballing this machine and am not 100% sold on it yet, looking forward to seeing what you end up getting next.
Their forum is full of water leak stories, you are not alone. It seems that the guys who don't have leaks are in the minority.
It is a small company which is why they ship the machine in separate shipments. They obviously don't have the people and space to handle all the parts at one time for all the units on order at any time. They probably outsource every part and are simply packaging parts as they come in from their vendors.
Thank You for taking the time to do such a professional and informative video. I have been considering the x fire pro and you brought a couple issues to my attention.
Thank you for the honesty. The information is key and important to me. As I have ordered one and they said it would be ready in July. I’m close enough to where they build them and will be picking up mine. Information that you have given me is invaluable especially for the people who will be running it for me. Thank you again and God bless
Thank you very much for you review
Water leak? "Flex seal"🤔😁 (as seen on TV 👍)
"Knock on wood, I don't have any wood around here"🤔❓uhm....look around Roy 🤣😂😅. The ceiling and support post are all wood!!!lol
Lol yeah noticed that when editing...
I recall one reviewer saying that there were limit switches. Possibly between this review and newer one they were added.
Thanks for your honest review. I ordered mine a little bit ago. My 1/5 package arrived yesterday. Its good to know what i need to look out for. 🙏
I guess this begs the question..... What are you getting for the replacement?
Where can I find out more info about the green cover/shield you have over the torch head?
I have purchased one of these, coming up on 1 year of ownership. I completely endorse everything you had to say here.
I have not had a problem with the water table leaking myself though.
Hidden cost is for sure a thing.
You're not going to happily run a plasma cutter on a small 120V air compressor. Prepare to buy something like a 60gal 240V compressor. I had to wire that in (copper is not cheap)
Also had to run a 50A circuit for the cutter its self, again copper isn't cheap.
I think those two hidden costs made up about $1000 worth of expense that I didn't really consider when I bought the table.
Glad to have a good air compressor in my garage as an added bonus now though.
Agree the assembly is kind of annoying, but as a hobbyist it was kind of fun for me, and you only have to do it once. But your description is not exaggerated.
Oh yeah, I'm a bit of a computer nerd and actually do 3D CAD as my day job. The software wasn't a problem for me, but again there is certainly a learning curve that's going to happen if you're new to CAD. Good news! Langmuir actually has a pretty good tutorial that I think anybody can get up and running with, if they just carefully follow along.
Nice review Roy. I have been considering a table for my shop as well. Until I take that step though I will be buying my blanks from you folks.
Thanks And That's awesome 👍 I'm sure you will be Glad once you get One in your shop ☺️
Preassembly equals higher cost. Do you want a good value system or higher cost? Where do you draw the line? I'd prefer my own labor rates (free) to their US craftsman lol.
Good review. By coincidence have the same setup as you. Langmuir Crossfire Pro with THC and a Hypertherm Powermax 65 with a machine torch. One thing I didn't know as far as the Powermax was the availability of the fine cut consumables for the torch for those folks wanting to cut thin (say 14GA for less) sheet. The Crossfire table is a great deal for what it is, but as you note a Professional solution is it not. As an entry table it is excellent and I do love mine. I'd never have a bought a table if I had to spend $8000 to do it. Anyone who has priced anything out will know its 1/2 the price some the something better and more like 1/4 of the cost of a professional solution. Not sure how far into looking at a better solution you have gotten but you need more speed too. The 300 IPM the Crossfire does is marginal for a Plasma like the Hypertherm 65. Good luck -Mike
Great comment sir! Yeah the search has been quite extensive with a whole host of prices And yeah the 300ipm is a limitation for the powerful 65
Have you tried running with a 45 nozzle? I have an inherited 85 and planned to use the smaller nozzles for thin material.
@@bpdp379I think all the 45 nozzles I've run are fine cut. Wouldn't hesitate to try. The Hypertherm machines are just amazing.. I think the 45 amp tip on a 65 amp machine can run 100% duty cycle.
Due diligence fixes a lot of the cons, been checking forums and reviews such as this for 1 year as my shop is being built to ensure setup runs smoothly, and already have discovered these potential issues. Why not weld the water pan if you don't plan on taking it apart again? Or just disassemble, scuff mating surfaces, silicone, and let it set up completely before using. I always have a bigger problem removing silicone used to fix leaks than I do fixing leaks with silicone, as long as surface was clean and dry and it was allowed to cure. Nice video!
FYI my Crossfire Pro has a total X travel of 48.15", and Y a little over 33". I definitely agree that they should have nearly doubled the length of the wires to connect to the computer and plasma cutter. It's ridiculous how close the computer and plasma cutter have to be to the water table that occasionally has a spay of water escape over the side.
I just got one of those movie 🎥 dispensers from a store. Red box 📦 type . Tore off the door and it’s a CNC machine. I just hook up my plasma torch .and pic the right movie. Lol . Wish I could reprogram. Lol it’s so close it’s really sweet. Even pockets for movies can hold water. Laying down. It’s like moving a fridge. One peace. A smart person could flash a new program. It’s got all the stuff . Lol I’m small so I’m going to just run toggle switches. And modify for bolt holes 🕳️ lol lol it’s got all the motors. Free lol lol and it’s all aluminum runners. N bearings. Lol sturdy enough to drag to friends shop and back. Lol backyard hillbilly😮
the reality is that this is a hobby grade table and to keep the costs down they made sacrifices. its like comparing a ford focus to a porsche boxster ! there both cars but there not in the same class. when my water table leaked i just sealed it with some silicone. yes the supplied silicone sucks but its a 10$ fix and its easy to do or you can just weld it. the table is made in 2 pieces so they can ship it for less to people all over the world. i do wish it was a couple inchs bigger so you can cut out the 4 by 3 like you said because if it hits the side it will throw off the rest of the part. it would be nice if it had limit stops and tip up collision sense but i was told they cant because of the kind motors and it would cost allot more to changed to the better ones. i love my table and i would buy it again in a second but its 100% a hobby table for a garage and not for a welding on fab shop that will run it 8 hours a day. if you buy one be prepared to do many hours of computer work if you wanna make complex signs and parts.
if mine leaks im get the tig out
It also looks like to me, some of the access issues of being a couple inches to short, could be possibly solved by purchasing your own square tubing from a metal yard. Building your own X and Y access points. Along with the table wouldn't cost that much in metal bought for a supplier. 🤔
Considering buying this machine, thank you for your honest appraisal.
You forgot the hidden cost of the software. There are monthly fees, yearly fees, and a seven day update if you go with the free program.
Not to mention the CADD programs also have subscription frees sometimes .
Regarding shipping in multiple deliveries: after placing the order I sent them an email asking to ship everything at the same time and I got everything in a single shipment, no problem at all...
Can you move the material and continue the cut on a second run to get more table capacity?
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First I enjoy your channel keep up the good work.
I didn’t think the assembly was all that difficult. In my opinion you make it sound much worse than it actually was. There were allot of fasteners and components but they were well labeled and the assembly instructions were well put togather and easy to follow. I was able to assemble it myself in two evenings. I had it mostly together the first night. Hardly a daunting task.
As you mentioned the water table is shipped in two pieces to save on shipping. I suppose Langmuir could offer a 1 piece. I’m guessing they looked into it, and decided few people would pay the extra shipping fees, for the one piece table. As you pointed out it is easy to weld together if it makes you nervous. I am somewhat surprised you have had so many troubles with leaks. Two years in still no leaks for me. You mentioned there were LOTS of complaints about leaks on the forum…. They do exist, but I would say the majority of the thousands of tables they have produced, that implement the segmented water table, have not had the kind of issues you reported. Their larger XR table also uses a segmented water table. One thing you didn’t mention is the couplers. The couplers were a source of angst. They were aluminum and it was difficult to get them tight enough without stripping them. They have since moved to a heavier duty steel coupler… so they do listen and make changes when appropriate.
I did enjoy your review and appreciate your perspective. Near the end you mentioned you would be ditching the Langmuir table and buying a more established brand. I have watched a few of your more recent videos and have seen you finishing some of your plasma cut parts but didn’t see the actuall cutting… which is fair the work you do is far more interesting than CNC work.. but I was looking to see what machine you upgraded to?
Thanks for taking the time to post this review. Keep up the good work with your channel.
I don’t know about for this table but I know when I was in school our cnc used that same software and you could set parameters in the software that showed up as a box on the screen. You could use that to set your limits. We used it to mark our edges for when we used smaller plates. You could manually run the software to set up a boundary in the software so you wouldn’t layout your design outside of the boundary. It wouldn’t prevent the machine from going outside of it if you layed something out wrong but it did give you a visual representation on your screen for where the edges of your plates where
Also another think you want to be able to program a cnc let it run and walk away. Every job I have worked at if someone walked away from their cnc while it was runnin they got chewed out by the shop foreman and if it happened again they where let go, you always need to pay attention to your machine while it’s running
Don’t walk away from this machine when using it. Doing that sounds just like students. Industrial machines are very different. They have many safety systems in case of a fault during operation. But cheaper machines have little of that. It’s dangerous to not pay attention.
Awesome review. Could ya just spray the water pan, with a truck bed sealer?
$50 at Harbor Freight for a gallon of bed liner
Never thought about that but might work....
Or there is the limb sealer is a spray on tar like substance suppose to work on gutters as well as sealing up tree wounds
I was thinking the same thing. Either a truck bed sealer or even....wait for it....flex seal. That stuff works great
Forget flex seal, just tig it together it takes more time to argue on the internet about it than doing it 😂
Water table 1 price would cost 250.00 extra in shipping due to oversize
They have the XR with a cutting envelope of 48" and 96", 1500 bucks they assemble it. So say-ith the website. ...
Thanks for the feedback on this cutter.
Instead of silicone sealant, try using Phenoseal. Home Depot in my area sells it. When this product first started showing up in hardware and home centers, there used to be a display of mosaic tiles using Phenoseal as a grout. It is tenacious compared to silicone. I would remove as much silicone as possible where ever I use this just so it doesn't create a leak later due to the silicone loosing it's adhesion. If used on a replaecement, say Anderson window, once it sets up, it is a real bear to get disassembled. Another plus is that latex paint will adhere to it vs silicone. I used it to seal my glass bead cabinet with excellent results. If you have a retailer near you that handles it, it should be with the other caulks. One last and great feature, it cleans up with water prior to it's setting up so if you make a mess, you are golden as no chemicals are needed and if you like to use your finger to even out the fill, it is perfectly OK. Just have a clean damp rag for cleaning off your skin. It comes in white, brown and clear.
Thank you for the recommendation
@@ChristCenteredIronworks How about flex seal, that stuff is pretty good
im at 1500 using beefed up 3d printer parts. 4x6. BUT uses Argumented reality to use scrap pieces and save material basically auto arrange with a camera
I know this is a couple years old. Great video, but one think that I found really annoying; turn your autofocus off on your camera. The subtle zooming to keep focus on you is distracting.
I know what you mean about the limits run a cybermation plasma table at work and I have to reprogram the limits to get that extra inch out of a plate when it’s nested .
I know with lathes, they have "soft barriers" to prevent crashes. You can go into the program and cancel those barriers and get that extra space, but you must obviously make sure you aren't going to run into the components of the machine. I am not sure about the plasma cutter Roy uses having soft barriers. It should.
see myself after doing entry level "shits" then going and getting another real one fuck it I'm doing it one time! myself i don't like disturbing my shop set up nothing worse than trying to get a shop back in comfortable order where as i have a small hobby shop thanks for the honest review that all carries over to other tables as well when you're looking😎👍👍
While I've never been a resident so this is said with fairly laymen levels of understanding, but everything in your Good column could also be said of a prison.
Let's here it for context!
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Hey Roy, glad to see you guys doing so well since your move. Question for you on your Plasma table, I'm in MI as well- what do you use to keep your water tray from freezing? Thanks and God bless!
What kind of air compressor do you use with this setup? How much cfm? Any complaints on it? Suggestions for an air compressor?
The leftovers from cutting the hearts out looking kinda like the front/back profile of an anvil 🤔, stack weld them up add a heel, the horn, and top plate!!! And to get really fancy, add a different steel between the plates and make it a demascis anvil!
Or, bend the points and make a stand for something, like a stand for keeping hot pans off the top of the table. Or can hold ceramic pots for plants. Love your magnetic pick-up tool!👍
nice review i'm thinking pulling the trigger. what kind of video cam are you using? very clear let me know thanks
I would consider the Laguna or the Shopsabre if you have not made that decision by now.
Haven't made a decision yet so thanks for the input ☺️
If they added hours to pre-assembly, the cost will go up. I don't mind doing the assembly. Save money and keep them affordable.
my crossfire pro doesnt leak any water you did somethings wrong on your part for sure
also the Z axis is a little tricky to get set square but i have mine cutting perfectly square
and they have limit switches now if you havent ordered yours yet
i agree with the cable length though that was bullshit idk why they are so short its the thc cables that are too short and the limit switch cables couldve been longer also
and why i cant cut 48 inches is bullshit its soooo close idk why they did that they messed up there for sure
I agree, i am not sure if every one get what i got. The screws for the limit sensor really short i ended up to buy the screws from mcmaster carr
We have a inhouse built system that was completed years ago. The general attitude now is it was a interesting project but now that we face drawbacks and hidden issues a predesigned system starts looking like it would have been a better idea. We are actually about to start a modification project on it so we can use modern software. Since it was a custom project we got a good mix of features that are seen on professional units. So seeing someone do a full honest true good & bads evaluation from someone who isn't a professional cnc plasma cutter gives a lot of insight on these machines. I do agree with you on some of the bads though I understand some of their reasoning for doing some of it for offering a very cheap unit. Though a bolted waterbed seems like a bad idea that I don't follow.
Thank you for commenting! I thought about building my own but that is probably a rabbit hole that I wouldn't get out of for about a year lol
@@ChristCenteredIronworks Oh yes it is definitely a rabbit hole alright. At the time cnc plasma tables were almost professionals only unless you built it yourself but now that hobbyist units exist I wouldn't recommend a home build unless you know what you want and how to do it.
what is your take on the new CROSSFIRE XR 4X8 TABLE, THE CABLING ISA ROLL TYPE TRACK. they are offering $1000 usd off the MSRP HOW EVER AT OVER 5K USD. with the $1000 off. PLUS SHIPPING TO cANADA IS FAR FROM CHEAP. I COULD BUY SOME REALLY GREAT WELDERS FOR THAT MONEY, AND THIS DONT INCLUDE THE PLASMA power unit.. I AM THINKING ON ONE TO ADD TO MY CHANNEL, AS I AM A WELDER BY TRADE ALL MY LIFE well in my life time if a product is always on back order, you can be sure they only build them as they are ordered..one thing i need to know, is the table a water tank? that is a must, i see from this video your cutting sheet metal looks like maybe 10 or 14ga, i am more into need of cutting heavy duty trailer parts, i custom biuld many trailer sizes and types.. heavy equipment parts such as thick pin boss ears frame brackets bucket parts ect.. not into artsy fartcy stuff. wait the water tank bolts together, no way,, that should be formed and welded solid one peace.. i sure wouldnt want that, they can keep there bed ill build my own.. you must have big line air dryers for any plasma cutter, it is a must i built a 3" stainless steel pipe 6 feet long with one end plugged and a threaded cap on the other end and welded 1/2" weld on pipe fittings. one on each end and fill the pipe with the white pellets that i replace once a month. you can but this pipe in steel made for this but it has a high price tag, it the best air drying system going..
I was originally going to buy one of these, but with all of the work involved in the "assembly", I might as well make mine from scratch.
What bracket you bought for the THC?
Leaky water bed solution.
Through The Roof sealant will seal it up permanently. It's a roof leak stopper in a caulking tube.
Thank you for the suggestion!
@@ChristCenteredIronworks warning. It's VERY sticky and gooey. Paint thinner for cleanup. Wear plastic gloves.
POR15 makes a gas tank sealer as well, would probably work.
Guess you should have bought a. Bigger machine
Appreciate the thorough and unbiased review, thanks.
Thanks for your No-Nonsense Review. I like the idea of a 5x10 table so that you have more wiggle room to cut around 4x8 sheets if they are off by an 1". Plus Aluminum comes in 5x10 sheets as well. The price was good on this machine. The only things I didn't like about this cutter is lack of componentry like Jewel Scribe, Wood/Aluminum Router attachments for milling and engraving, Pipe Cutter Attachments, Torch Break Aways. I'm not sure I am sold on the ball screw attachments, if molten-mental crap gets in that ball screw, there goes your accuracy for alignment holes. Ok for art and signage, but not good for precision parts. ArcLight dynamics and Starlab machines have a higher initial cost, but they are more expandable.
I have been sending my stuff off to get it CNC cut thankfully I know the guy really well so it's usually only a few bucks. Would really like to have my own one day would be super useful for some of the projects I have in mind.
Look into the Arkdroid cnc plasma robot for under $2500.00
I'm trying to be positive about this review, but honestly it seems pretty whiny. Many of the criticisms say more about the lack of research prior to purchase. "Now that's not on Langmuir specifically..." implies it's someone's fault. And it is. It is the buyers fault...for failing to do their homework. The work envelope limits and lack of cable management should not have been a surprise. Also from comments here and other reviews, many people did not have water TABLE leaks. Sounds like possible assembly error. And, since it's such a huge problem, just weld the seam! How long would it take to do that. Probably less time than was spent complaining about it in this vides (the actual welding part that is). If you want fully professional quality table with the work envelope you want, with cable management, with limit switches, with more robust z-axis control, then you should not be looking at Langmuir systems with bargain-basement pricing. Also I just can't stand all this "waterbed" talk. It's a water table...
What is the cone that is covering your torch? where can I get one?
Good review on that machine. The company that I worked for bought one out of Pennsylvania it came fully assemble. I well get the name of the company and send it to you so you can take look.
Awesome thank you!
Pre-Assembly from the Manufacturer would Raise the Price. Designed in Texas from Parts made in China. Keep in Mind you Are building Your Own Printer. Not available from Bestbuy. If any one owns this Machine, I hope you are a Welder. If your Water Bed Leaks then WELD it Together.
I been looking at these pretty heavy for our shop making stuff for auto repair and trailers don’t think I’ll have much in the 1” range for cutting needs but I’d like that option my current set up wimps out at 3/16” and it’s all free hand I just build fences for a clean straight cut but set up and duplications are a time consuming process so I’d like to get into the cnc game we’re a small family owned and ran business in a rural area so cost is a major factor but no sense in wasting money trying to save a buck on a machine that’s just going to cost you in the long run these seem to be a good stepping stone for us I have the room and ability to upgrade into a larger system of the turn around is what I’m anticipating we turn away probably 50-100 large fabrication jobs just from lack of a cnc machine so I’m fairly confident we can see the roi quickly
Valid points but I personally don't believe in leaving heavy duty equipment running on its on while i go get coffee. Sparks, electricity, compressor - it needs babysitting. Even a $200k laser cutting machine has a technician on duty at all times.
Very helpful review for helping me make my decision to purchase one. I believe that they have made some improvements in line with some of your criticisms, ie limit switches, since this video was made. Thanks for making this video. I was very pleased to see your review on their website. I generally trust your opinions on such matters.
God bless you.
Interesting video. Thanks for doing these. What are the blanks for that are made and sold on the website?
They are All different types of projects for smith's to do.. everything from skillets to Christmas ornaments go check them out if you get the chance 🙂
not sure if you are still looking at comments on this old of a video but if so I have a question.... I have a fairly high end desktop PC that I use for my design work. so obviously I wouldn't want it to be out in the shop environment so would running this table via that pc in the next room be possible or would I just need to invest in a laptop dedicated for the table and just load the files via network or jump drive or whatever??
Thanks for the honest review.
Do you think they made all the changes and preassemblies and all this other shit do you think it would still be the same price think about it
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Helpful. Thank you
I'm just wondering if you can use the crossfire software on other tables or is it prioritized to their setup?
Time is money my man, if the factory did more pre-assembly then the cost would go up and make the ROI longer and less achievable to the average consumer.
This is on my list to buy. This company is high on my list of places. Mach 3 has that ability. Not sure if this software does.. adding limit switches should be easy
It can definitely be improved for sure.. my hope with this review was to put out the information that seemed to be missing from a lot of reviews not turn anyone off from buying it. As I said it is great for the price point but doesn't fix all of life's problems... Thank you for taking the time to comment :-)
@@ChristCenteredIronworks after your review it is still top of my list, for all the reasons you mentioned. Knowing some of the issues I will know what to expect :)
Sir I am sorry to say that I watched your video and I think I wasted my time watching some of the price points that you talked about the added cost anything you do is going to have added cost if you're adding it to your shop if you put a new light in you have would have the added cost of the electrician to wire for your new light I think you're knit picking about some of the stuff and I think I really wasted my time but thank you anyway for putting out a video
I would say most of the bad stuff is kinda to ve expected at the price point
Less plant assembly =money saved
And odd ball sizes not divisible into standard sheets increase waste and lower cost
Guess it's a trade off
just started assembling mine, definitely some trial and error, the instruction are vague on a few things, like the legs, i had to swap a couple because they were in the wrong spot. i got to the roler adjustment and didnt really understand what is wanted me to do so i called it a night, maybe when im not tired it will make sense
you complain about leaking, have you thought of silver solder weld... tada! no more leaks
Good review. Can you tell us how easy it is to upload and set up drawings from CAD? Are you using DXF files or what does that machine need to run properly?
Wondering this too!
Dxf
Hello, great review.
What do you think about the Pritec acros cnc table? It is assembled in Holland.
Greetings from Holland.
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Can you not weld or solder the seam?