I created PERFECT twin Wonderkids in FM23
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Welcome to TomFM! In today's Football Manager 2023 experiment video I created Perfect twin Wonderkids in FM23 placing one at Boston United in the English National League North and the other at La Liga giants, Real Madrid.
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What about an experiment comparing goalkeepers with perfect attributes but one very small and other very tall. See which one does better.
Height doesn't matter in FM, just Jumping Reach. This has been demonstrated in numerous experiments
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel nope it doesnt even Tom did video on that if I remember correctly
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel - Zealand has posted numerous tests regarding height. Height matters ZERO! What matters is Jumping Reach! Numerous FM RUclipsrs has PROVEN that height is irrelevant. Yes, it looks cool, but has no effect on game play.
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel height is meshed in jumping reach, there's caps in jumping reach, but a guy with jumping reach 20 is always better than one with 19 no matter the height
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel whether or not you believe a fact is irrelevant
The reason why he doesn't look like he's got 199 CA is because he's two footed. Improving their weak foot ability increases their CA A LOT for some reason.
By the same token, being great with both feet is a mad skill to have
Imagine being the Boston Utd wonderkid and your brother is the one that gets picked up by Madrid but you two are the exact same player. Talk about a sibling rivalry
I know 2 brothers they play the same. One is all about harrd work/lifestyle other one is pure raw talent. One with hard work is now playing in small team for decent money the younger one the naturally talented one is being scouted all the time.
Should have shown their team trophy pages! Wonder if WK1 propelled United to titles, or maybe he wasn’t enough
I'd also like to see the national team shown too. They scored 130 odd goals between them for the national team. Would be interesting to see of this translated to success there too
You have to wonder if England won the world cup too
That would’ve been great
even god himself couldnt propel united to titles
What if you do a experiment where a Defence has perfect striker stats and a striker has perfect Defence stats ¿Will they change positions by time passes or they will stay?
good one
That actually sounds interesting
I did it but only a defender with striker stat. In 10 years only become a DM. but maybe that’s because he’s on the lower league where the training facility and coaching is bad. Would be interesting to test it like in this video
I think not. Every player is generated with a 1-20 stat in any of the possible positions. If they have anything above 1, the ai will possibly train them there, if not, they won't. The ai first looks at these stats before it looks at the players actual stats when deciding where to play them, and I have never seen a player retrained into a position where his starting stat was 1. Also, I believe having more positions playable will affect potential, eating into PA. Being two footed for sure does, in a significant way. A 200pa player with 20/20 left and right feet will have worse stats across the board than a 1/20 player
The B-teams in Portugal were an amazing boon. Obviously we're magnitudes more top heavy than English football, by this I mean we have 4 competitive clubs and the rest has no chance, so the fact that they could place their young talent competing against 2nd league pros did wonders for these kids' development. We can almost pinpoint the surge of Portuguese youth teams to that exact moment. I thought they were great for us.
Same for the Netherlands. The youth teams in 2de division really improved the talents. Portuguese and Dutch leagues are always the competition with the most talent development. At the top clubs, Porto sporting Benfica Ajax psv AZ.
6:08 the B team system is terrible everywhere excapt ouer in Germany. We had second teams too and its so great to have it and it works very well especaly the SC Freiburgs second team
Thats bullshit man, b teams in spain works awsome for big clubs Barcelona, Villarreal, Athletic Club, Real Sociedad... have a lot of great players thanks to their b teams (80-90% Real sociedad and Athletic club players come from their canteras)
Could you try a similar thing but with players on different continents? , or one player from each continent for another experiment , you put them in the team that in every continent has the best facilities
Very interesting! Maybe you can do an experiment where you give Man United perfect players at every position from all of the top footballing nations, and see how the award committees rate them? There's bound to be lots of CL and WC wins, so they ought to win basically everything. If there are still zero Ballon d'Ors in that scenario, then clearly it is club-related...
maybe somebody a bit less reputable than united
@@theredpandagamingswe7545 The purpose would be to test the hypothesis that players from non-licensed clubs are not eligible for awards. So United or Juve for instance
@@bungaIowbill That makes sense, didnt fully understand what you meant at first
@@bungaIowbill really?? That explain my 89 G/A Muokoko lost to 60 G/A Haaland in every Balon d'or
@@toku2390 Well, I don't know if this is really the case, but there seems to be indications of it. If someone has just one counterexample, that will be enough to disprove it, but I haven't seen it (or seen anyone post about it)
I feel like a lot of these experiments are just recycling of others, but this was really, really interesting and had many layers.
Another thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the real madrid wonderkid has tons of traits, and the United wonderkid only has a few.
One thing I didn't know was possible was a 15 CA increase after your 24th birthday, so thank you for that!
I think this would have been really interesting to see the difference if they were both locked to Boston and Real Madrid. So a full career playing first team football at Boston, would he reach 200?
Make the start age 14. A natural 190+PA 16y/o wouldn't start with a ca as low as 80. Also, if you develop properly, i.e with an editor, 200pa distributed properly can create a striker that scores 80+ goals a season
Creat opposite footed player symetric same role two cm tactic and long loan them and go on vacation
This game couldn't have been more realistic about winning Ballon d'Or
Do this but have one start at Barcelona and the other start in the Australian A-League
Can you do a Boston Utd rebuild plz plus their my home team
Even the game has the Real Madrid bonus
Create a club has some sort of bug and you cant start new saves.
Can you create and add players with the editor?
would be quite cool if you had compared their trophies won wit their club/nation. great video nonetheless bro
wonderkid in RM was paid more than the manchester one
Good vid tom I like the intro alot
Ah so this is what happened to odegaard
I actually kind of wish you would put a very low loyalty & other terrible personality traits just so these players might move on from time to time. Not bad enough that they don't develop but bad enough that their careers have more ups and downs.
Hey i have a question. How do you see the ca and pa? With in game editor?
licensing 😂
how did ManU do in comparison to RM in regards to titles?
We have to do this video again
Ballon d'Or is done from average rating not goals
Two twins? Are you sure?
Are each two people? Why do you call each of them they?
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing...
Why didn't you compare titles? I guess Man Utd did not as well as RM
The videos an experiment on how players improve though?
Number 1
I made a perfect player he only won golden boots. He had like over 130 caps for Sweden and he won the world cup with Sweden. He still never won the ballon d'or which I don't get how he never won it.
What's up with calling a man they?
Well, the extremely early transfer to a massive club kind of axed the original intent of the experiment but we still learned a few things. My main takeaway was just how quickly and reliably physical attributes develop and how long they stay viable.
true, maybe giving him a future transfer in 3 years to another vanarama team so he cant move for a few years?
I think it's realistic. Given that a kid in Boston has a European passport and is clearly that good, that player will be playing for a giant club in Europe at the earliest possible opportunity.
@@mmmcounts I think what he means is the point of the experiment is to see if getting better coaching at a high level, or more play time at a lower level is better for development.
Also, he wouldnt have an european passport because brexit.
Perfect. This show me that there is significant improvement in attributes with training and playing. Just like in real life. When you play as a youngster you learn and improve
The #1 wonderkid has Professional personality, while the #2 wonderkid is Light-Hearted, that's big in this kind of scenario of development. I think you should make the wonderkids the same personality and base Determination attribute (or at least just the same personality)
They both professionals.
@@PAINNN666no they weren’t 💀
@@dylansallis1455 2:24 - 2:35
They started with the same Personality stats and determination. The Personality stats can be changed throughout the game depending on mentoring groups assigned by the managers at clubs (and potentially some other things as well).
They both started Professional personality. The Boston/United wonderkid became light hearted at the 5 year check in, and was a Model Pro at the next. The Madrid kid remained professional for the entire career duration.
their personality would have changed thru mentoring.
this is weird, but the amount in which you remind me of my father in law is crazy! Must be a Lincolnshire thing lol
Lols
Let me just take my Darth Vader mask off. Holly, I am your father....in law
I think one of the hidden issues in the experiment is the registration limits. I wouldn't have picked a La Liga team due to the restrictive non EU slots. I would have had three wonderkids. One in Boston Utd, One at PSV and One at Bayern Munich. Where the fact that the kids aren't competing with every player not in the EU for a roster spot. I think all the experienced FM players would have deduced that Real Madrid would have been an incredibly difficult squad to break into not having Next Gen 50 ability at 18, because the game produces a lot of those every year
You need to look at the club honours each earned. As in real life, the Balon D'or and other individual awards are usually given to the best player from the team that won the big trophies and it's likely Real were more successful
You'd also have to look at how their respective teams did, when considering individual awards.
It looked to me like WK2 was getting paid 100-150k more per week, which is significant over a career. WK2 also winning 2 Balon d'Ors would make his marketability significantly more too, which translates to more endorsements and more income. WK2 clear winner in football and in life, in my eyes.
Interesting take! Current ability clearly isn't everything!
Obv this is just a video, but I would not judge someone’s winning at life by their earnings…
@@linkodude43 definitely not, otherwise Oscar getting 500k a week in China is a win 😬
@@FruitsaladOSRS that’s An L
@@FruitsaladOSRS It is tho, he's enjoying himself while earning more in less competitive with more time to family and friends.
If you can do a 16 team world cup on FM23, please do a world cup with teams that have qualified only once for the world cup.
There are only 18 teams who have qualified once and I'd love to see it.
On attributes, going back to CM01/02 they changed the way ability worked all but preventing the perfect 20 player. I can't remember the exact mechanic used (weighting was introduced), but effectively it averaged out players preventing extremes. This deflated attributes in the early versions of CM4 (causing the attribute loss saw in 03/04 which ruined the game after a few seasons) and subsequent FM, but also meant players who had some real stinking attributes were at an immediate advantage because they could have higher peaks elsewhere (and continue improving those through focused training while neglecting others). When preferred moves, new positional training and so was introduced it really started to muddy the water on how attributes were then rated for a player (was it still by main position?).
Still remember when you'd get a 16 year old Man Utd youth player released at the beginning of the game on 01/02 I think, Poole? He was low reputation so didn't load each time the game came on, but he had 20 finishing and rubbish stats elsewhere - but he'd run riot in lower league for £20 a week.
I wonder if you could chuck some wonderkids in some sunday league team in a small country out of europe and see if they get scouted quickly into europe.
Potentially boiled down to what they were winning with their clubs for why WK2 performed better in terms of trophies. Both played for England, so international trophies would be the same. Did Real repeatedly win La Liga, and perform well in other comps compared to Man U?
I wonder how a wonderkid with attributes at 20 would progress if he had his hidden attributes frozen at 1. Would the big clubs still sign him?
Pfft, those lads are ridiculous. Twins, 1 brother holds the record for Manchester United appearances, the other would likely hold the record for Real Madrid, only 6 off Rauls. Awesome experiment!
LETS GO FINALLY One more of these!!!
Real Marid failing to develop talent? This game is waaay too realistic :P
You should have done this with the Boston wonderkid having to stay at Boston for his entire career.
Video ended when the better personality wonderkid moved to the most op club of the game lmao
Why are you talking about theese players in plural when you talk about only one of them?
Nice experiement. While WK1 had a good career, WK2 ended up with a bigger bank balance, a villa in La Moraleja and another villa in La Finca next to Ronaldo.
I think you should do it again, maybe not let the transfer happens so soon and make them more similar, but maybe opposite wings? So they can play together on the National team
I also wonder if the kid having to adapt to a different country and language has an effect on the player in the first year at the club.
No look at who won more team trophies? Or to see if they managed to bring the world cup home?
I think wonder kid one is still better, getting to 200 is a harder achievement.
in my fm22 save i am managing chelsea and NORWAY , us norway WE MADE IT 2ND PLACE DIOSPITE NETHERLANDS WIN WE ACTUALLY BEAT NETHERLANDS 2 1 W ITH NORWAY I COULDNT BELEIVE IT LOL BUT they fini9shed 1st and no i have playoffs against czech repopublic and hungry its VERY EXCITING. I ALSO HAVE INTER MILAN CHAMPTIONS LEAGU IE I AM 2 GOALS DOWN BUT I JUST BOUGHT VICTOR OSHIMEN AND KALVIN LEWIS
PW 2 won some Champions Leagues at Madrid that helped winning the Golden ball, for sure. Guess what PW1 won at Man. Utd.. 😂
As far as I know the Manchest United vs SEGA/SI lawsuit was still ongoing. But it seems they settled in 2021. I rather suspect it will not be the last we hear of such legal wranglings, especially as Konami and EA have been buying up licences in recent years (hence why some Italian teams have fake names as at different times EA and Konami had exclusive rights to the likes of Juventus and others).With EA giving up the official FIFA licence, they've been buying up the league, comp and fifapro player licences instead. How long before a lawsuit forces SI to block their game from being able to be modded to what could be concieved as licence dodging by the licence holders and rights holders?
I really wish 200 current ability would look better than it does here. If you have 200 current abilty you should be considered one of the 5-8 best ever players EVER. Therefore I would expect several 18-20 stats rather than someone looking like Leon Goretzka. Bit of a shame really.
No B teams in England? Well you have yet to win a World Cup since 1966.
Meanwhile Spain's only World Cup was built and set up from B Team prodigies that came from La Masia and other B Teams from La Liga.
Should have just set them both to have a long contract and a future retirement or future transfer for 2040 or something. That way they would stay with their current clubs instead of transferring straight away.
In one of my saves Luis Alberto of Lazio won a Ballon d'or even though he's 33+ at that point even though Lazio were in Europa league and he wasn't even picked by Spain in a Euro year.
Real Madrid guy had actually done better. by 31. Sure, he was a worse player with fewer caps, but he was making an extra 200k/week!
Thats interesting if there is a block due to them playing for Man Utd. Considering how well they did, it could be assumed the team would have been doing well too, yet not a single one of their players was on that list.
11:41 another 2 wonderkids from Man Utd won the U21 prize, so maybe your theory about the team could not be the reason? Maybe Man Utd was simply not winning titles during the simulation, while Real Madrid was a more important team
Players not getting England squad recognition because they don't play in the Premier league? Never!
Tomori is so robbed of a position in that defensive line.
Look at this player, they are absolutely world class.. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
When you appeared on screen after your intro I literally thought you were Neil from The Inbetweeners. Interesting vid though, liked and subbed
This explains a lot that first team football will be much better, should I save my best young players in my top tier team and play cup matches, odd games in PL or loan them out to lower leagues?
I wonder if the Real Madrid one didn’t develop as quickly early on because he was an Englishman in Spain and he wasn’t developing as well because he had to adapt and train in a new country where he didn’t speak the language
Their technical attitudes did not improve that much at all.
Yeah I don’t know how they’re 200 ca with those technicals
Boston got lucky Man U picked him because the squad is not that good. Plus I believe England gets a boost due to the reputation of the league
Maybe its about the team performance overall, Madrid is too strong therefore a lot of their player are on the balon dor list, even tchouameni on DMF.. Thats why Wonderkid 2 got a lot of "individual" trophy, because of the team he's in
10:58 Does it realy wonders you? In the modern times i thought no on else excapt a player from spain can winn the trophy so its super normal here
Should have made the Real Madrid Wonderkid Spanish. More Incentive for a Spanish team to play him
I'm high as shit and the background music is tripping me out something else lad. Good content tho
I have fm23 and haven't touched it yet. Probably wasted my money buying it tbh.
The awards are based off accolades, if #1 wasn't winning trophies he wouldn't be up for the balon do'r
You're comparing their careers and you didn't show the trophies they won? Jesus...
Anyone else notice Mbappe was listed as an attacking mid for the last two seasons he won the Ballon d’Or?
Hate to ruin your fun but you can't create players on this game. It's a manager game where players are randomly generated
The caps for the national team is probably because they play on the same position and the United guy is better and is the first choice
Surely the point of the experiment failed as soon as the player moved so soon, you end up comparing a player at one top level team against another, seems pretty pointless
The Man U thing could also be that Man U was just way worse in Europe for those years.
Great stuff Tom.
Really interesting Experiment, i also like too wait for a Young Player too Develop, Loan them out etc but it looks like, if you have a really Special Young Player at the Club, even at the Age of 16 or 17, it might be wiser too get them i the First Team and Player right of the Bat.
Would have been nice too have seen what each Perfect Wonderkid Won throughout their Careers.
What if you put 5 same wonderkids in the different top5 leagues in England
Curious if language has anything to do with it like with scouts knowledge?
Anyway great vid Tom
Thanks for all the fun experiments
not going to lie, that is not what I would have expected 185 CA to look like.
maybe the kid on real didnt get call to national team, because the man united kid was getting all the spot light.
Would have been interesting to see the international comps won/ lost
I hope Real Madrid wonderkid isn't gonna be Arda Güler.
I am wondering if England won any world cups with the 2 wonderkids
What about 6 twins in worst clubs in the top 6 divisions of europe
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Did England win the World Cup at any point with these two!?
You should have also done goals, assists ave ratings, total trophies, etc
Kinda a shame that these players don't seem to really move clubs.