I wonder if the players that generated through Brazil/England/Spain etc. had second nationality with the nations that had bigger youth ratings... when I boosted the youth rating of Antigua and Barbuda all the good players declared for England so you wouldn't know they'd generated from Antigua unless you checked the second nationality
I was thinking exactly the same that I wanted to see the secondary nationalities. Because many of those top rated countries like England, Spain, France, Portugal have links with other countries and often allowing them to have double nationalities (like you showed with the Guinea Bissau example)
It really goes down to players being able to appear in clubs. Nepal and Bhutan players wont spawn in, lets say, English clubs. On the other hand, Guinea-Bissau players are directly developed in Europa. It depends on actual tradition of players from one country travelling to another to play football (or having a historical link, like a colony) such as many African countries that show up in French or English youth intakes.
Guinea-Bissau probably did so well because they get loads of regens coming through in Portugal. Those clubs also have good youth facilities on average. Edit: Ofcourse you explained the link in the video minutes after I posted my comment 😅
Although youth rating is an important factor, there are other factors in play when producing wonderkids, such as infrastructure of the country and importance of the game. I suggest also altering those factors for a next experiment. And of course, if you do not load the leagues, those teams don't have the opportunity to upgrade their facilities and thus, will still not produce wonderkids.
There's a hidden parameter (I think it's not editable in the editor) called Game Importance. It measures how popular is football in different countries. Brazil has very high, Bhutan has very low. So I suspect that's the reason why there are so few Bhutani players as stars and still so many from Brazil, France, Spain etc.
Ah this is a good point! Totally forgot to mention it in the video, I ensured that I made every nation Game Importance very high, FA Financial Power 20/20 and Economic Conditions as Developed Nation! I did mention it in another video but it slipped my mind when scripting this one
@@TomFM also, some players may have been generated in the bottom half countries, but they get signed by clubs in bigger countries and after a while they will declare themselves for a bigger nation with higher game importance and reputation
Good video but you should had added a second nationality column for sure; maybe some of those Portuguese / Spanish / Brazilian wonderkids were from a small nation !
I'd be interested to see the exact same scenario but with only the lower ranked teams having playable leagues ie no England, France, Spain, Germany etc but Bhutan and Guinea Bissau having playable leagues. A comparison would prove the playable leagues theory beyond doubt!
I don't know if this would be feasible as an FM experiment but I'd be interested in separatist movement changes. Korean, Chinese, Romanian, Cypriot or Irish reunification; independence for Catalonia, Somaliland, East Turkestan, Tibet, maybe even the Basque country, Flanders/Wallonia or Biafra? Maybe even a West Indian or Central American super-state? Would be interesting to see how things changed
this just proved that clubs youth facilities are way more important than the country youth ratings, and a mix of both is the perfection Guinea-Bissau being in the top is justified because usually their best young players are raised in Portugal, where some of the best academies in the world are (like Sporting and Benfica), so in this save PT clubs basically chose to develop guinean young players instead of portuguese, that´s why the swap GB at 5th and Portugal at 21st countries like Bhutan or Nepal have no connections to top club academies so they cant really improve that much as their academies are pretty weak
just an example of some players who were born in Guinea-Bissau but played for Portugal NT: Danilo Pereira, Bruma, Eder, Carlos Mané, Yannick Djaló + Ansu Fati for Spain
@@pitohui9430 When the Italian leagues are loaded, San Marino Academy actually generates players at every Youth Intake that are roughly in the range between 100 and 110 and occasionally a 160.
@@heverpacheco2515 Yes, you are right. Bonini is probably the greatest player San Marino has ever had - but not quite my age, so I thought of Andy Selva first.
Great Video, Tom. But I have to chip in here and say that between the second half of 2013 and the first half of 2014, Panama was in the FIFA top 50 rankings ( reaching the dizzying heights of 29th in March 2014 after narrowly failing to qualify for the 2014 WC) and again briefly towards the end of 2017 after they secured their first qualification for a World Cup (Russia 2018), so while it's not a frequent thing, Panama being in the top 50 of the FIFA ranking has happened. (proud Panamanian here XD )
U upload so many videos latley and I absolutley love it!!! Hope hard this channel brings you enough income to live. Thanks for all that very interesting content and as a commentator for my favorite football club (basel) myself, I wish you all the best, good luck and opportunities to make this dream even further true 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Could possibly be that some players had second nationalities through getting a citizenship, so they’d just declare for the country they played in rather than their birth country.
Clubs in playable leagues (or view only leagues + full squads) will have sizeable youth intakes compared to the rest... So in this experiment, Bhutan will have several players of good enough quality generated per year whereas San Marino get one of two per year. The game will generate enough players to get teams (senior, reserve, youth, etc.) involved in league competitions to have somewhat full squads.
Would be interresting if you did the same experiment but you also improve the staff stats of Buthan and max out facilities of clubs/money to give them possibility to develop their players
How good is FM's scouting? Based on your experiment, assume Bhutan generates a player with a 180 PA, but has a CA of say 70. Considering how bad Bhutanese clubs are, they player won't develop, but a 70 CA should be good enough to make the national team and play in regional tournaments. Would FM's AI Scouting recognize PA, and maybe a team in Japan or South Korea signs and develops that Bhutanese wonderkid enough so that by age 20 a team like Benfica, Ajax, Club Brugge, etc., acquire the player and further his development? That's creates another potential experiment. Create 11 PERFECT Wonderkids, one for each position, and put each player in a different, low-ranked country (ie Bhutan, Mongolia, Antigua, San Marino, etc.) and see if these players are ever found by the bigger clubs.
Same Experiment but give BMWFC max reputation and max youth facilities and youth setup in general, and see if that changes the amount of players coming through?
I love Bhutan. The king extorts you like $300 bucks a day just to stay in the place. Up the BMW! But it's...quiet. Guyana-Bissou is a great place. It's in middle Earth. The bit under the Atlantic ocean. Also where does the Bhutan database come from? I wanna do a save there.
Nepal are in 175th position as of 1/27/2023. Was hoping to see the improvement of Nepali football atleast in FM but it went even worse! 😂😂 Looks like it'll be a dream even for my grandkids to see a good national team
Guinea-Bissau has only become independent from Portugal less than 50 years ago. Any Bissau-Guinean native born before then was a Portuguese national by default, and so they can just as easily register their children as Portuguese citizens as well. There's a good number of quality players that have double Bissau-Guinean/Portuguese nationality but were capped by Portugal instead. Guinea-Bissau could've honestly become potent in Africa if they all chose their parents' homeland. Bruma, Eder, Danilo Pereira at the top of my head... There's a few others. The same applies to Angola, Mozambique and Cape Verde.
England had Wales, Spain and France had Andorra and possibly Monaco? So countries with big leagues that naturally produce the small countries' players.
@@tomjarrett8290 Yeah I've actually written a few more comments & replies on this video shedding more light into why that happened. When Portuguese colonisers/missionaries baptised natives, they always gave them a so-called 'Christian' name in Portuguese and that'd go into their citizenship registry.
As a Nigerian I would love to see a video based on Nigeria, this is because in every single video done about FM, Nigeria gets screwed over and it get more depressing everytime
And, once again, the US fails to make it past the quarterfinals of the WC. I'm happy to be wrong and they took third once, despite dropping under 20th in rankings. Is there something in game that caps the number of elite players that can be edited?
How does FM calculate Youth Rating for talent development? By that, does a 200 Youth Rating equate to a 5% chance of creating a wonderkid? Another question - how much does the POPULATION effect the potential of developing wonderkids? Ok, this stat is just for the USA, but of all HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES: Only 0.03% of High School Basketball players ever play professionally. 0.09% of high school soccer players ever play one day of professional soccer - at any level. Ok, Soccer isn't as popular in the US, as in other countries, so let's double that percentage, and give the average person a 0.2% chance of playing professionally San Marino has a population of 33K Let's assume 25% of pop for all countries, is ages 0-17. That gives San Marino a "working" pop of 8,250. That would give San Marino a potential pool of 165 players. Out of that pool, Lets say a 200 Youth Rating gives a 2% chance of creating a Wonderkid. That would give San Marino a chance of creating 3 wonderkids. CHANCE. Brazil has a population of 217 million. Let's assume 25% of pop for all countries, is ages 0-17. That gives Brazil a "working" pop of 54,250,000. That would give Brazil a potential pool of 1,085,000 players. Out of that pool, Lets say a 10 Youth Rating gives a 0.01% chance of creating a Wonderkid. That would give Brazil a chance of creating 10,850 wonderkids. CHANCE Thus is population has any effect, naturally large population countries will create far more good players than smaller countries, all other factors being equal. Add in leagues not being loaded, poor facilities at most of these smaller countries, and it will still be extremely difficult for these small countries to create good players.
Is it possible to improve some status of a country (youth raiting for example) just playing in a team of that country, as well as the national league, national team etc?
I want to file a grievance with FM, when I play FIFA, Lincoln City gives me nightmares and makes me sweat when I play against them, and here, they are made look like if they are S**t, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!!
Could it be that the The elite players are being generated but because the local clubs are training them on a beach or in a field They aren't developing to their abilities
Probably because of their game importance being so low, clubs being so bad, financial power being low and often populations being small not many players are being produced for the old really bad clubs.
I like your videos but get annoyed when you keep being anti england were a tiny country that are atleast good at every sport which other country can say that I'll tell you NONE iv been through all sports
Not sure where you've got the anti-english thing from. But in terms of being a tiny country, we're the 21st most populated country in the world, 2nd most in Europe and compared to other countries with higher populations we're one of the most economically developed. Of course we have the population, facilities and money to be good at sports compared to other places.
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I wonder if the players that generated through Brazil/England/Spain etc. had second nationality with the nations that had bigger youth ratings... when I boosted the youth rating of Antigua and Barbuda all the good players declared for England so you wouldn't know they'd generated from Antigua unless you checked the second nationality
😔🇦🇬
Frankly really surprised the Guinea-Bissau players didn't declare for Portugal actually
Yeah and spain equatorial guinea
I was thinking exactly the same that I wanted to see the secondary nationalities. Because many of those top rated countries like England, Spain, France, Portugal have links with other countries and often allowing them to have double nationalities (like you showed with the Guinea Bissau example)
11:25 One of the Spanish newgens is called Shu Chen. I'll take that he's Chinese.
It really goes down to players being able to appear in clubs. Nepal and Bhutan players wont spawn in, lets say, English clubs. On the other hand, Guinea-Bissau players are directly developed in Europa. It depends on actual tradition of players from one country travelling to another to play football (or having a historical link, like a colony) such as many African countries that show up in French or English youth intakes.
That Guinea-Bissau player with 198 CA is absolutely insane
You can load player generation in non loaded leagues. It’s in the avanced settings when setting up the save
Guinea-Bissau probably did so well because they get loads of regens coming through in Portugal. Those clubs also have good youth facilities on average.
Edit: Ofcourse you explained the link in the video minutes after I posted my comment 😅
Same with Cape Verde but to a lesser extent. That's accurate, as well.
@@joaopires1761 Yeah, for sure
You mean “Geeannah Bie sou” 😂
How do I get a Guyana-Bissou National team shirt?
Ask Tom Mick-in-tyre
Although youth rating is an important factor, there are other factors in play when producing wonderkids, such as infrastructure of the country and importance of the game. I suggest also altering those factors for a next experiment.
And of course, if you do not load the leagues, those teams don't have the opportunity to upgrade their facilities and thus, will still not produce wonderkids.
Yeah, this was the problem with the experiment, youth rating is only one of several factors.
There's a hidden parameter (I think it's not editable in the editor) called Game Importance. It measures how popular is football in different countries. Brazil has very high, Bhutan has very low. So I suspect that's the reason why there are so few Bhutani players as stars and still so many from Brazil, France, Spain etc.
Ah this is a good point! Totally forgot to mention it in the video, I ensured that I made every nation Game Importance very high, FA Financial Power 20/20 and Economic Conditions as Developed Nation! I did mention it in another video but it slipped my mind when scripting this one
@@TomFM ah, so it's editable after all 🙂👍
This one makes A LOT of difference, that's true!
@@TomFM also, some players may have been generated in the bottom half countries, but they get signed by clubs in bigger countries and after a while they will declare themselves for a bigger nation with higher game importance and reputation
Good video but you should had added a second nationality column for sure; maybe some of those Portuguese / Spanish / Brazilian wonderkids were from a small nation !
Ah yes Guyana bissou
I'd be interested to see the exact same scenario but with only the lower ranked teams having playable leagues ie no England, France, Spain, Germany etc but Bhutan and Guinea Bissau having playable leagues. A comparison would prove the playable leagues theory beyond doubt!
I don't know if this would be feasible as an FM experiment but I'd be interested in separatist movement changes. Korean, Chinese, Romanian, Cypriot or Irish reunification; independence for Catalonia, Somaliland, East Turkestan, Tibet, maybe even the Basque country, Flanders/Wallonia or Biafra? Maybe even a West Indian or Central American super-state?
Would be interesting to see how things changed
this just proved that clubs youth facilities are way more important than the country youth ratings, and a mix of both is the perfection
Guinea-Bissau being in the top is justified because usually their best young players are raised in Portugal, where some of the best academies in the world are (like Sporting and Benfica), so in this save PT clubs basically chose to develop guinean young players instead of portuguese, that´s why the swap GB at 5th and Portugal at 21st
countries like Bhutan or Nepal have no connections to top club academies so they cant really improve that much as their academies are pretty weak
just an example of some players who were born in Guinea-Bissau but played for Portugal NT:
Danilo Pereira, Bruma, Eder, Carlos Mané, Yannick Djaló + Ansu Fati for Spain
I want a San Marino Wonderkind! The next Andy Selva!
The interesting thing is,stuff like that can absolutely happen in vanilla FM,San Marino have a world class left back in my save
@@pitohui9430 When the Italian leagues are loaded, San Marino Academy actually generates players at every Youth Intake that are roughly in the range between 100 and 110 and occasionally a 160.
Massimo Bonini >>> Andy Selva
@@footballoracleai for me he generated at Napoli i think
@@heverpacheco2515 Yes, you are right. Bonini is probably the greatest player San Marino has ever had - but not quite my age, so I thought of Andy Selva first.
Had the privilege of visiting Bhutan a few years ago. Stunning and if you ever have the chance, get going!
Great Video, Tom. But I have to chip in here and say that between the second half of 2013 and the first half of 2014, Panama was in the FIFA top 50 rankings ( reaching the dizzying heights of 29th in March 2014 after narrowly failing to qualify for the 2014 WC) and again briefly towards the end of 2017 after they secured their first qualification for a World Cup (Russia 2018), so while it's not a frequent thing, Panama being in the top 50 of the FIFA ranking has happened. (proud Panamanian here XD )
The fact England waited a whole 100 years to win another World Cup is very funny... it's coming home England 2066?
U upload so many videos latley and I absolutley love it!!! Hope hard this channel brings you enough income to live. Thanks for all that very interesting content and as a commentator for my favorite football club (basel) myself, I wish you all the best, good luck and opportunities to make this dream even further true 🙏🏼🙏🏼
both Bissau-Guinean people and Gayana Bissue in shambles after this video lol. great test again Tom!
Guyana Bisu native here nice to finally hear about us in a video
Could possibly be that some players had second nationalities through getting a citizenship, so they’d just declare for the country they played in rather than their birth country.
Clubs in playable leagues (or view only leagues + full squads) will have sizeable youth intakes compared to the rest...
So in this experiment, Bhutan will have several players of good enough quality generated per year whereas San Marino get one of two per year.
The game will generate enough players to get teams (senior, reserve, youth, etc.) involved in league competitions to have somewhat full squads.
Would be interresting if you did the same experiment but you also improve the staff stats of Buthan and max out facilities of clubs/money to give them possibility to develop their players
You should have checked where the Andorra and wales league were ranked as the team in their country have a high reputation.
How good is FM's scouting? Based on your experiment, assume Bhutan generates a player with a 180 PA, but has a CA of say 70. Considering how bad Bhutanese clubs are, they player won't develop, but a 70 CA should be good enough to make the national team and play in regional tournaments. Would FM's AI Scouting recognize PA, and maybe a team in Japan or South Korea signs and develops that Bhutanese wonderkid enough so that by age 20 a team like Benfica, Ajax, Club Brugge, etc., acquire the player and further his development?
That's creates another potential experiment. Create 11 PERFECT Wonderkids, one for each position, and put each player in a different, low-ranked country (ie Bhutan, Mongolia, Antigua, San Marino, etc.) and see if these players are ever found by the bigger clubs.
Shoutout Guyana-Bissu!
Football importance to nation has a big effect on this. You will need to set this to max and 200 youth rating. This will have more of an impact
Same Experiment but give BMWFC max reputation and max youth facilities and youth setup in general, and see if that changes the amount of players coming through?
I love Bhutan. The king extorts you like $300 bucks a day just to stay in the place. Up the BMW! But it's...quiet. Guyana-Bissou is a great place. It's in middle Earth. The bit under the Atlantic ocean.
Also where does the Bhutan database come from? I wanna do a save there.
Anyone else see that 198 current ability Guinea-Bissau player playing for Real Madrid at 10:25 👀
Nepal are in 175th position as of 1/27/2023. Was hoping to see the improvement of Nepali football atleast in FM but it went even worse! 😂😂
Looks like it'll be a dream even for my grandkids to see a good national team
I think you should try it with some changes on football relevance on the country, and maybe the population or the reputation of top clubs.
Interesting to see that clubs get good PA players that I've never heard of pop up like that.. Even if their facilites is poor.
Guinea-Bissau has only become independent from Portugal less than 50 years ago. Any Bissau-Guinean native born before then was a Portuguese national by default, and so they can just as easily register their children as Portuguese citizens as well.
There's a good number of quality players that have double Bissau-Guinean/Portuguese nationality but were capped by Portugal instead. Guinea-Bissau could've honestly become potent in Africa if they all chose their parents' homeland. Bruma, Eder, Danilo Pereira at the top of my head... There's a few others.
The same applies to Angola, Mozambique and Cape Verde.
I bet a lot of those English/Spanish/Portg. players has second nationality from those small countries
How do you simulate 100 years so fast? For me it takes ages for even like 5 years.
God tier cpu.
Perhaps regens matter more. I would imagine regenerated players hold on to the potential ability of the player they were based on.
England had Wales, Spain and France had Andorra and possibly Monaco? So countries with big leagues that naturally produce the small countries' players.
9:45 Malcolm Michel is an interesting name for a bosnian
You should check the second nationality as well!
And the surnames, haha. Most of those Bissau-Guinean players on the video had traditional Portuguese surnames.
@@joaopires1761 that’s not unusual though. Most people in Guinea-Bissau have Portuguese names
@@tomjarrett8290 Yeah I've actually written a few more comments & replies on this video shedding more light into why that happened.
When Portuguese colonisers/missionaries baptised natives, they always gave them a so-called 'Christian' name in Portuguese and that'd go into their citizenship registry.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the clubs all had the same reputation
Would be able to do a video of a team made up completely of wunderkind and see how they are able to compete?
you skipped over the part where one of the Guinea-Bissau players has 198 CA
As a Nigerian I would love to see a video based on Nigeria, this is because in every single video done about FM, Nigeria gets screwed over and it get more depressing everytime
As a Nigerian I can say without bias that I'd like that kind of video too
And, once again, the US fails to make it past the quarterfinals of the WC. I'm happy to be wrong and they took third once, despite dropping under 20th in rankings.
Is there something in game that caps the number of elite players that can be edited?
Guyana bissu is a great country! All hail guyana bissu🙌
How does FM calculate Youth Rating for talent development? By that, does a 200 Youth Rating equate to a 5% chance of creating a wonderkid? Another question - how much does the POPULATION effect the potential of developing wonderkids?
Ok, this stat is just for the USA, but of all HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES: Only 0.03% of High School Basketball players ever play professionally. 0.09% of high school soccer players ever play one day of professional soccer - at any level. Ok, Soccer isn't as popular in the US, as in other countries, so let's double that percentage, and give the average person a 0.2% chance of playing professionally
San Marino has a population of 33K Let's assume 25% of pop for all countries, is ages 0-17. That gives San Marino a "working" pop of 8,250. That would give San Marino a potential pool of 165 players. Out of that pool, Lets say a 200 Youth Rating gives a 2% chance of creating a Wonderkid. That would give San Marino a chance of creating 3 wonderkids. CHANCE.
Brazil has a population of 217 million. Let's assume 25% of pop for all countries, is ages 0-17. That gives Brazil a "working" pop of 54,250,000. That would give Brazil a potential pool of 1,085,000 players. Out of that pool, Lets say a 10 Youth Rating gives a 0.01% chance of creating a Wonderkid. That would give Brazil a chance of creating 10,850 wonderkids. CHANCE
Thus is population has any effect, naturally large population countries will create far more good players than smaller countries, all other factors being equal. Add in leagues not being loaded, poor facilities at most of these smaller countries, and it will still be extremely difficult for these small countries to create good players.
Is it possible to improve some status of a country (youth raiting for example) just playing in a team of that country, as well as the national league, national team etc?
Its possible yes but it takes a long time. Zealand did a video about dynamic youth rating about a year ago I would recommend taking a look.
I want to file a grievance with FM, when I play FIFA, Lincoln City gives me nightmares and makes me sweat when I play against them, and here, they are made look like if they are S**t, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!!
I thought clubs youth scouting and reputation and the staff ability all played a role in clubs youth intake?
could you make it so all teams have no reputation and all the players are released for an experiment?
England hosting and winning the 2066 world cup. You think that's hard coded in?
Training facilities must have something to do with it
I assume you left European and South American clubs' youth intake rating unchanged
It would be nice to see player stats as well
Hi Tom, do you use any programm to simulate faster?
Yo Tom, trap a bunch of perfect managers with Vanarama teams ans see what happens
Could it be that the The elite players are being generated but because the local clubs are training them on a beach or in a field They aren't developing to their abilities
Have you also changed game importance? If some nations were set as non important then nk wonder they've didn't produce good newgens
“Geeannah Bie sou” 💀😂🇬🇼
these kind of tests make me feel disappointed in the game even more
Brazil is also known for thiccies and molk trucks nomsayin ?
Can you make the save files for these experiments available to download?
Country game importance and financial backing?
Just had to come down here and say:
Giana Bissu
Hi Tom, what skin are you using for FM?
Lol i asked this experiment about 4 years ago. And you said that it was nice idea and you will do it. Finally!
I Want more Lincoln City
Can i ask you how did you add nhutan league logos?
The number of teams must matter
Shout out to all the viewers from GUYANA BISSOU.
Probably because of their game importance being so low, clubs being so bad, financial power being low and often populations being small not many players are being produced for the old really bad clubs.
Was the Brazil league playable in this experiment?
Does Youth Rate rating change over time for country?
Guyana-Bisoo💀
Guatemala mentioned yet again
"gUyAnNa BiSsOoO"
anyone know how he gets the ca and pa on screen I’m trying to get it on my game?
Giyana-Bissou :D
Do something with Uzbekistan
No
"Guyana Bissou" 🇬🇼
How do i change it?
Hi from Bulgaria
Hi from bulgaria Hi from bulgaria
CYMRU!!
Once again you didn't pay attention to Chile winning a world cup. I'll have to keep waiting for an experiment involving us.
chile va a golear a brazil en la final de la copa del mundo 6-1 recuerdame
Guyana bissoooo
Indonesia please
Can I do this on mobile?
no blad
I like your videos but get annoyed when you keep being anti england were a tiny country that are atleast good at every sport which other country can say that I'll tell you NONE iv been through all sports
Not sure where you've got the anti-english thing from. But in terms of being a tiny country, we're the 21st most populated country in the world, 2nd most in Europe and compared to other countries with higher populations we're one of the most economically developed. Of course we have the population, facilities and money to be good at sports compared to other places.
@@TomFM my man you are nationalist lol