Trash magic is a great description. I have some of those super lightweight 0802 Happymodel 0802 motors on a custom tiny toothpick build using 35mm props on a fractal 65 frame and a diamond aio (no ducts installed). The little bugger sounds terrible when flying and completely freaks out if i hit anything. However its flies so damn good and i get around 4 minutes of hard ripping on a 300 mah battery. I wouldn't change a thing cause it is trash magic fun stuff.
Some of my first builds where with HM 0802 and afunta 55 mm props. After a few flights they would get so much rattle that you wondered how it didn’t just fall out of the sky.
@@Quad66 I have built whoops with Happymodel 0802, Happymodel 0702 and RCinpower 0802 motors. And you are completely correct, Happymodel (specifically the 0702) has some kind of magic, they sound like they are going to fall apart mid air, but they fly amazing and way longer than expected. The HM 0802 weren't as good in my mind, had a few of them give up only after a few flights, so they get a nope from me. But the RCinpower are the complete opposite, they are smooth, sound clean in the air and i almost get as much flight time from them as my 0702s, but they lack a little in responsiveness in my opinion.
Nice flying! Random question: now that the JHEMCU 13A AIO with 16x16 mount you used so much on the WarPigs seems to be extinct, what is (are) your preferred AIO(s)? And what would you use now on a WarPig with 16x16 mount?
It’s a tradeoff, the bearing motors are heavier and last longer. These new 0702 motors are ultra light weight,and I’m flying them 3 minutes and ending withing spitting distance of storage voltage. Wonder if the lighter bell, the spinning weight, is part of the efficiency advantage.
I dont care what they sound like. They have the power, and the efficiency, that makes them the best IMO. If you feel you have less throttle control on those 26500kv, you should try the 23000kv HM ones - that is plenty of power for a very light whoop and you might find yourself getting even longer flight times (plus the increased throttle resolution around hover point)
You Guys just need to order some of Tiny Whoop's "whoop Lube" makes those old loose motors feel so new and smooth, and also greatly increases flight time! In all seriousness this was a very interesting video, I have had a set of the Moon Travelers 702 32,000kv, for almost a year now, with at least 200+ PACS and they still fly smooth. Great Content Thanks!
No man, that's some pretty good flying! Give yourself a break, haha. So you didn't mention, but are you running stock BF? Stock pids? any RPM filtering/bluejay flash (48khz)? Also; bt2?
Try the rcinpower 0802 motors. I know they are slightly heavier, but damn they have so much more power and are smoother. Makes up for the weight penalty. Can't beat their quality with real bearings
@@Quad66how long have you been flying son? when we first started, massively underpowered motors was all we had. guess you was not around then. any motor that got you in the air was not trash.calling something trash is for someone not smart enough to find another use
Disagree quad66. The NBD video is significantly worse than others in my experience. Betafpv and happymodel built in analog vtx have better video with less flicker and noise.
Might be your brass bushings could use some oil. Oil would likely fill in the voids and dampen some of that rattling between shaft and bushing. I have two bottles of RC car oil, one intended for bushings, and the other for ball bearings. I think the bushing oil is thicker in viscosity, it is dark, and the bearing oil is lighter in color. Something else to note is that bronze bushings can be oil-impregnated. But these bushings are probably brass, not bronze. Trash Magic, new iconic term!
It helps a little, for a flight or two. It’s not enough of a difference though to bring the black box in line with the BFPV or NBD motors. I have been wondering if some of the new super chain lubes recently developed in cycling could make a bigger difference. Granted that’s a different application with much lower rpm and higher torque.
@@Quad66 My worn out BetaFPV 0802SE scream and shake so much, I have a blurry video feed (and one of them ripped off it's motor cables). Before the oil, that is. A drop of 2.5W fork oil is enough to make them silky smooth for the next 1.5-2 flight-hours. I also gain a full minute of flight time 5:00 -> 6:30, which gradually comes back closer to 6:00. The downside is you have to wipe out dirty grease after the first flight (don't land it on the couch).
That bicycle chain lube is pretty useful. I had a sticking control rod/guide sleeve combo on a plane and it wicked itself right in. Problem solved, albeit different problem.@@Quad66
Trash magic is a great description. I have some of those super lightweight 0802 Happymodel 0802 motors on a custom tiny toothpick build using 35mm props on a fractal 65 frame and a diamond aio (no ducts installed). The little bugger sounds terrible when flying and completely freaks out if i hit anything. However its flies so damn good and i get around 4 minutes of hard ripping on a 300 mah battery. I wouldn't change a thing cause it is trash magic fun stuff.
Some of my first builds where with HM 0802 and afunta 55 mm props. After a few flights they would get so much rattle that you wondered how it didn’t just fall out of the sky.
@@Quad66 I have built whoops with Happymodel 0802, Happymodel 0702 and RCinpower 0802 motors. And you are completely correct, Happymodel (specifically the 0702) has some kind of magic, they sound like they are going to fall apart mid air, but they fly amazing and way longer than expected. The HM 0802 weren't as good in my mind, had a few of them give up only after a few flights, so they get a nope from me. But the RCinpower are the complete opposite, they are smooth, sound clean in the air and i almost get as much flight time from them as my 0702s, but they lack a little in responsiveness in my opinion.
check your motors tab, do all the motors spin at the same RPM?
Nice flying!
Random question: now that the JHEMCU 13A AIO with 16x16 mount you used so much on the WarPigs seems to be extinct, what is (are) your preferred AIO(s)? And what would you use now on a WarPig with 16x16 mount?
It’s a tradeoff, the bearing motors are heavier and last longer. These new 0702 motors are ultra light weight,and I’m flying them 3 minutes and ending withing spitting distance of storage voltage. Wonder if the lighter bell, the spinning weight, is part of the efficiency advantage.
I have some older hm 1102's on a 65mm 1s, the degradation was noticeable
I dont care what they sound like. They have the power, and the efficiency, that makes them the best IMO.
If you feel you have less throttle control on those 26500kv, you should try the 23000kv HM ones - that is plenty of power for a very light whoop and you might find yourself getting even longer flight times (plus the increased throttle resolution around hover point)
I did try the 23,000 kv for better low end throttle control but it didn’t seem to help much. I fully realize that doesn’t really make sense.
You Guys just need to order some of Tiny Whoop's "whoop Lube" makes those old loose motors feel so new and smooth, and also greatly increases flight time! In all seriousness this was a very interesting video, I have had a set of the Moon Travelers 702 32,000kv, for almost a year now, with at least 200+ PACS and they still fly smooth. Great Content Thanks!
No man, that's some pretty good flying! Give yourself a break, haha.
So you didn't mention, but are you running stock BF? Stock pids? any RPM filtering/bluejay flash (48khz)? Also; bt2?
Try the rcinpower 0802 motors. I know they are slightly heavier, but damn they have so much more power and are smoother. Makes up for the weight penalty. Can't beat their quality with real bearings
What is the KV on the HM 0702s?
They are the Webleed bleeders 26,500kv
New song by the Red Hot Prop Poppers - Motor Oil Trash Magic.
There’s some repeating tone going on the background that makes me want to die but other than that great video 😂
Yeah you can see the printer going in the background.
Yes!
Never knew the actor from Burn Notice was a into quads!
Never knew either
Yeah, it's crazy seeing Rivers from Weezer, ripping it around an apartment. 😂
Trash is shit that does not work, needs throwing out. them motors are ok for a beginner. so are they really trash?
They are trash magic for sure. Me personally, I’m pulling them and tossing them.
@@Quad66how long have you been flying son? when we first started, massively underpowered motors was all we had. guess you was not around then. any motor that got you in the air was not trash.calling something trash is for someone not smart enough to find another use
Disagree quad66. The NBD video is significantly worse than others in my experience. Betafpv and happymodel built in analog vtx have better video with less flicker and noise.
Might be your brass bushings could use some oil. Oil would likely fill in the voids and dampen some of that rattling between shaft and bushing. I have two bottles of RC car oil, one intended for bushings, and the other for ball bearings. I think the bushing oil is thicker in viscosity, it is dark, and the bearing oil is lighter in color. Something else to note is that bronze bushings can be oil-impregnated. But these bushings are probably brass, not bronze. Trash Magic, new iconic term!
It helps a little, for a flight or two. It’s not enough of a difference though to bring the black box in line with the BFPV or NBD motors. I have been wondering if some of the new super chain lubes recently developed in cycling could make a bigger difference. Granted that’s a different application with much lower rpm and higher torque.
@@Quad66 My worn out BetaFPV 0802SE scream and shake so much, I have a blurry video feed (and one of them ripped off it's motor cables). Before the oil, that is. A drop of 2.5W fork oil is enough to make them silky smooth for the next 1.5-2 flight-hours. I also gain a full minute of flight time 5:00 -> 6:30, which gradually comes back closer to 6:00.
The downside is you have to wipe out dirty grease after the first flight (don't land it on the couch).
That bicycle chain lube is pretty useful. I had a sticking control rod/guide sleeve combo on a plane and it wicked itself right in. Problem solved, albeit different problem.@@Quad66