Very impressive! This vehicle is probably best in its class by a good margin and this episode may be TFL Truck's best production yet quality-wise. You have raised the bar. GM and Chrysler have their work cut-out for them, the race is on -- its good for us all.
Top of Ike, towing and still only at half throttle. The automotive industry has truly come a long way. I’ve made that drive several times and that is impressive by any manufacturer. These are good times in this segment for sure.
I just wanna say that I’ve been watching y’alls videos for a long time now. Whoever filmed and edited this did an amazing job. The b-roll shots were perfectly timed and I saw everything I wanted to see as you talked about the vehicle. Quality has definitely jumped up here. Looking forward to more videos!
Ford really knows how to make a nice SUV. It is still a massive shame they gave up on smaller cars altogether - the Fusion we have is such a great car.
This was a good video I believe this is the best SUV I’ve ever seen you test good job guys I send my customers to your RUclips channel so they can watch videos of different vehicles towing I sale campers for a living
Wow, Ford really did well this time. This vehicle is clearly a massive improvement over the previous generation. Competition is good for everyone. Thanks TFL, you are the best!
I can watch TFL reviews over and over. Today I watched the Canadian review a riding mower, a riding mower and I watched like he was reviewing the next Gen F150, TFL is pretty much why I RUclips. Every presenter does an awesome Job. A Russian, a drag racer, a slick well dressed fancy fellow, a Cowboy, a smart young college man and a bearded Canadian walked into a bar and created the best show on RUclips ,,,,,,TFL baby!
Time for the general to copy the leader once again. Great truck Ford, I personally have no need for a vehicle like this or I’d own one, but I know a lot of people do! Great video as usual guys!
Mournful3ch0 how many ways are there to style a long wagon? FWIW this expedition looks far better than the current GM offerings but the prior expedition was a boat anchor compared.
TFLtruck... very good video (as always)! I'm glad Ford recalibrated the transmission too. Hey, you guys did do a sound decibel test on the way up the Ike! Can you tell your fans how quiet it was? Thanks
Thanks Nathan! Here's another question I thought of after watching the video again. Does the new Expedition have an automatic light check function like the Nissan Titans? For 81K it really should, right?!!! Please let us know.
great review. I am a little biased, currently on my second expedition, and hoping to upgrade to the 2018 soon. good point about towing help for the occasional tow-er. We tow a camper only about 4-5 times per year so any extra stability and assistance is welcomed, especially with a vehicle full of people.
scotty_rides we tow will a vehicle full of people too. I had a difficult time finding a 7 passenger SUV with enough payload to support both the camper and family before I bought my current SUV. Do you know what the payload ratings are for the new Expedition? I can't find it anywhere.
I have and looked again since the revision. No mention of payload ratings or GVWR for the Expedition. Although I did see page 37 states the receiver is rated at 930 lbs max with weight distribution so that is limiting factor for me. I use 10% of trailer weight on the hitch as a minimum not a maximum.
I am interested in this SUV with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package to tow a Winnebago trailer rated at 6620 dry weight. This will be to use probably like 5-10 times a year for our family of 3. I am new to the RV experience and would like to have feedback. I am not too much fan of a pickup all year long and thought this SUV might be the solution. Thank you
I actually drove on that hill the first time. Going down hill we almost burned the brakes on our rental Dodge Caravan. Going up hill, the 3.6 V6 with 4 adults was not happy at all. :-)
I recently began driving an '18 Ford 150 Raptor and tow on occasion with a single axle trailer loaded right up to its GWR of 3,500# and tongue weight just under 400#. I thought I was nuts because I NEVER have to brake in tow mode on long steep downhill runs. It grade shifts excellently and I think (not totally sure) that it applies the brakes itself (no brake lights noticed) to hold back. So you guys having only one early on brake application on Ike, maybe I am not so nutty.
I know that road very well. First drove it in 1973 when it opened. Drove Loveland Pass before that. Still like the pass, more scenic. When they first head up hill you see condos on the right. Owned one and a house and property for over 15 years. I might have driven that road 3 00+ times. The gas station they stopped at is 1/2 mile to the north. A 7-11. Was impressed by the trans grade braking. Someone said use cheaper brakes instead of trans. They do not know how to drive in the mountains. Have smelled overheated brakes many times at the. Seen several accidents from overheated brakes. In the last scene standing in the parking area. Look at the mountain behind the left .guy. That is Mt Bethel. The 2 dark vertical lines are snow fences to keep snow off the avalanche chute to the right, Loveland Basin ski area is a mile closer. Feb 1988 they got 77 inches of snow in 5 days. CDOT caused a avalanche there. Buried the interstate. I had to sit there 5 1/2 hours for one lane to get cleared.
Not sure if it’s a colour profile you guys are using in your videos but lately they all have a green tinge. Some shots more than others. The beginning shot of the guys in the cab is very green.
There should be some examples now that the EB V6 has been on sale since 2011 in the F-150, Flex, Explorer, and Lincoln MKT and Navigator. I doubt the EB V6 is especially unreliable, but when it comes time to fix something, the repair costs are likely to be higher than what's needed to fix an OHV V8. The mileage improvement claims have already shown to be largely nil.
SurelyYewJest Well there's always the v8 option with the 5.0. Personally, when I bought my explorer, I went with the 3.5 duratec, which is supposidly, a very reliable na engine, but I have no gripes with ecoboost engines, I just agree that a na engine will be cheaper to mantain, but that doesn't mean a eb is unreliable like you said, it just means it'll be more expensive to mantained over a long period of time, 10-15 yrs. I'm essentially just restating your points because I liked your post, well said.
Puff the Magic Dragon I don’t believe there is a 5.0 option as of right now... I am kinda surprised by that but it makes sense the 5.0 while an incredible engine doesn’t really have a lot of low end torque to move a heavy SUV...or it wasn’t getting the CAFE numbers mpg Ford needed.
Hired this ford from Alamo in Boston up to niagra falls down to Washington DC New York Boston beautiful truck so comfortable and smooth wish I could of took it back to the uk GMC Yukon vs Ford Expedition both great trucks
We bought a 2019 Expedition XLT Max to pull our travel trailer. It's AMAZING. The grade shifting is everything they said it was. The power is incredible. The transmission is bang on. Rear suspension is great - rides wonderfully, handles the trailer at 75 no problemo. Great Truck! Love it.
I don't do any towing but Kent saying it was cold got me thinking...what effect does temperature have on a vehicles towing performance? I would thing MPG would decrease, brake fade would be less, and maybe a bunch of other things. Any thoughts?
Yeah that's chevy.... can't tow can't OFFROAD for shit they get stuck in grass with 4x4 lol But as a Toyota fan - our yotas tow just fine no issues other than breaks & Toyota breaks although reliable absolutely suck .... tundra Tacoma FGT SGT TGT and most all Tacoma breaks sucked & Chevy can tow more weight but it's newer trucks suck at gearing! Most people who want to tow with tundras do air ride & stuff & some swap out our axles for Chevy 2500 axles for towing
Even Corolla & camery brakes suck .... the RAV4 06+ had decent brakes and the newest tundra has been improved but for towing I've herd it's still not going to compare to diesel braking wise.... & TWINN turbos on a 5.7L would just be scary AF....i imagine the supercharger does VERY well!
No. A couple others had really low brake app counts. There have even been times where a particular example of a particular truck model has had more or fewer brake apps than a previous example (of the same truck) they tested. The brake app test is useless IMO. I get the logic behind it, but the results they've gotten over the last couple years they've had it, indicates to me that there are factors outside just a truck's engineering that affect it.
took mine off road with the family last week. Went to several mountain peaks in Idaho near Yellowstone. One trail was was only designed for side by sides, but the Max was amazing! super smooth ride, handled the rocks, ruts, loose dirt/gravel with ease.
Really liked this video. But in regards to something Mr Truck said at 7:35, Ford does not use a compound turbo setup. They are of equal size, and each handles three cylinders.
They are the same size, just mirrored from each other. They are really small turbos and spool quite fast. Which is why they have great torque, but fall on their face past 5000rpm. A compound turbo setup requires the exhaust from all cylinders to be routed to one turbo, which then feeds another turbo.
Is it safer to tow a heavy load with an F150 or are the Expedition and F150 basically same truck towing when it comes to a long (ish) RV and moderate wind conditions?
Think of the expy as derated f150 because of heavier interior weight and more cushioned rear suspension. If you can live with slightly lower towing and payload, the expedition provides a better driving experience - especially with more passengers.
Great review....it would be helpful to note the outdoor temperature during these reviews as the turbo horsepower and torque numbers improve rather dramatically at low temperature. Living in the southeast I'm wondering how it will climb our eastern mountains on 95 degree days? Mostly an oil temperature concern with two turbos cooking oil?
Does the Expedition have the 2nd generation 3.5L Ecoboost with both Port and Direct Injection, or the older version with just direct injection. The 3.5 L in the 2018 F150 has both Port and Direct Injection. Are the LED lights the same crappy ones on the 2018 Ford F150 which received a Poor rating by the IIHS?
I love my platinum. Ford really improves on the new expedition. I have an 18. We are buying a 32 ft travel trailer tomorrow. I think it will test the limits. We will see
All depends on the total weight of the trailer, Did you end up buying one? I have said I would never want to tow a trailer unless it was a heavy duty truck but now, with this expedition it has me rethinking that. Towing 6,000 lbs at 60 up the hill is impressive.
I want to know which of the three suspension options are the best for towing and was is the replacement cost of each. The FX4 vs. standard suspension vs. the CCD suspension.
4 gauge Electric fans have belts? No wonder you think it takes 5 hours to change a fanbelt... On a more serious note, every modern car will be more complex than its predecessor. That's simply how technology has come about in these computers on wheels. Doesnt discount the capability and "TOP NOTCH"ness of the OP's comment though.
Alan Bowers It doesn't mean the products will be unreliable. What's more reliable, a model t or a new ford? Thr answer is obvious, most of these will last hundreds of thousands of miles without many issues, that's just how new cars are. I agree they're harder and more expensive to fix, but the trade off is they don't need to be fixed near as much.
Puff the Magic Dragon sure I agree. My point was merely for 4 gauge who doesn’t seem to actually have experience on modern cars. Certain aspects can be more unreliable but like you said in general they are better than they were.
NWI It's going to be a good battle for marketshare. Personally ford and gm are both doing great right now imo, hopefully, competition like this continues to creare better products from both brands, sick corvette btw.
I think Ford is kicking GM's ass to hell and back on the interior game. I legitimately think GM is taking five massive steps backward, going back to acres of hard, poorly fitting, and weak black plastics with therrible graining. I hate to say it, but I work at a Chevy dealer - I am entirely unimpressed with nearly everything they have out right now. I think Buick and GMC, on the other hand, are doing great interior-wise.
question: the uphill test. is that heading east on I-70? passed through the area and I can tell how much work goes into these tests. appreciate you guys! keep it up.
Question: using a sway bar system is smart on the SUV because of the independent rear suspension. But how would you use a sway bar system when towing a boat? The tongues on boat trailers are so long I’m not sure how you would do that. Any thoughts?
I pull my 7500 LBS, 27 foot trailer trailer with my 08 Expedition Eddie Bauer. It pulls pretty nice but if definitely can not pull up a 7% grade at 60 mph.
@@boogboog8097 since this comment I have actually done the lock out of the cam phasers and tuned my 08, pulls a lot better. I also went out and got a '15 Expedition Max Platinum with the EcoBoost and that thing pulls amazing well.
I through the box away, can't remember. bought them from Walmart. The suction cup on the mirror face. That way you can adjust them with the power mirror.
D Jay T The only advantage of that would be offroading and maybe towing. Things most explorer owners will never do, I didn't say no owners, I said most. Plus, if you wanted a badass offroader , why not buy a raptor or the new Bronco that's rumored to be priced similarly to the explorer, according to a supposed ford engineer claiming they wanted a 30k starting price, but that's just a claim, who knows if it's true. The 2011 to current imo body explorers are great, among some of the best family cars out there, aside from hardcore offroading, they do everything well. They're safe, reliable, reasonable fast, attractive, comfortable, decently roomy, and enjoyable to drive. The old explorers were great, my grandparents owned one from the early 90s until 2010, when it was totaled and they now own a '04 explorer, they love them, but they love my 2017. I don't even have a loaded up model, it's the base because my parents didn't want a huge amount of tech features, plus we wanted a car that would be reliable long term. The higher end explorers are pretty reliable, but not as reliable as the lower trim levels it seems.
Man O War depends on the terrain, and depends on how much of a lift tires could allow without rubbing the fenders themselves. But many run larger more aggressive tires on stock suspension to get that little bit more with good success most of the time.
Hey TFL Truck. I believe no one in Canada can sign into TFLTruck. All my friends and family tried and when you register it states it is sending a confirmation email but we never get an email. Waiting 2 days now and no email???
S. Central Keystone Someone had taken my handle but it wasnt that. Nobody in my City basically was getting a return email. Friends tried and couldnt get it. Andre reset or reconfigured their return email and it works now
I am interested in this SUV with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package to tow a Winnebago trailer rated at 6620 dry weight. This will be to use probably like 5-10 times a year for our family of 3. I am new to the RV experience and would like to have feedback. I am not too much fan of a pickup all year long and thought this SUV might be the solution. Thank you
You could probably get away with it if the trailer isnt more than 30ft long and you have pure pride or Hensley hitch and you empty water tanks and travel light. 6200-6500lbs uvwr is a common testing point now. 23ft and 5500lb is the sweet spot. Some people pushing 7500lb 30ft'ers but they are extra careful and probably experienced towers ... biggest danger would be windy steep mountain highways downhill. Limit your speed.
Matthew Marlowe after much research we decided to go with a 34’ fifth wheel. TV is a F250 Gas. Still got the Expedition for the wife but without the HD tow package. So far so good with all three vehicles. Thank you for the reply though.
Its a timed test, but either its pedal to the metal, the speed limit, or 60 mph? Not sure how that equates to fair. If the expedition could attain 70 mph then why was it held at 60? Or was it full throttle? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just a bit confusing. Has the testing changed? Are they all going to do 60?
benjaminwayneb yeah, when I saw LED’s for the first time in a vid, I kept thinking something was wrong with their lights. Though as I got older, in understood why it was this way.
Very impressive! This vehicle is probably best in its class by a good margin and this episode may be TFL Truck's best production yet quality-wise. You have raised the bar. GM and Chrysler have their work cut-out for them, the race is on -- its good for us all.
I like the Q&A style. You guys are getting really good at these.
Nathan and Andre have always been easy to watch, going back to their Jeep Wrangler episodes.
Top of Ike, towing and still only at half throttle. The automotive industry has truly come a long way. I’ve made that drive several times and that is impressive by any manufacturer. These are good times in this segment for sure.
I just wanna say that I’ve been watching y’alls videos for a long time now. Whoever filmed and edited this did an amazing job. The b-roll shots were perfectly timed and I saw everything I wanted to see as you talked about the vehicle. Quality has definitely jumped up here. Looking forward to more videos!
I've had mine since Thanksgiving. I absolutely love it. Awesome vehicle! Nice video.
Ford really knows how to make a nice SUV. It is still a massive shame they gave up on smaller cars altogether - the Fusion we have is such a great car.
This was a good video I believe this is the best SUV I’ve ever seen you test good job guys I send my customers to your RUclips channel so they can watch videos of different vehicles towing I sale campers for a living
Wow, Ford really did well this time. This vehicle is clearly a massive improvement over the previous generation. Competition is good for everyone. Thanks TFL, you are the best!
I'd like to see you guys run the Lincoln Navigator up the Ike. From what I've seen, the interior is next level.
Very impressed with the new Expedition. Also the interior on the new Navigator, wow! Ford has seriously stepped up the game in the full sized SUVs.
I can watch TFL reviews over and over. Today I watched the Canadian review a riding mower, a riding mower and I watched like he was reviewing the next Gen F150, TFL is pretty much why I RUclips. Every presenter does an awesome Job. A Russian, a drag racer, a slick well dressed fancy fellow, a Cowboy, a smart young college man and a bearded Canadian walked into a bar and created the best show on RUclips ,,,,,,TFL baby!
Nice job gang. Video quality looks sharper. Did you get new equipment?
Awesome. Been waiting for this video for a long time. Great job guys!!!! Thank you Ford!!!
you guys have got to take that up gold mine hill! please,nice work gang
Time for the general to copy the leader once again. Great truck Ford, I personally have no need for a vehicle like this or I’d own one, but I know a lot of people do! Great video as usual guys!
Funny, seeing as this thing looks like a Tahoe with the grille and window trim layout lmao
joe blow What do you mean? GM has dominated the SUV market since the 70's......
Mournful3ch0 how many ways are there to style a long wagon? FWIW this expedition looks far better than the current GM offerings but the prior expedition was a boat anchor compared.
TFLtruck... very good video (as always)! I'm glad Ford recalibrated the transmission too. Hey, you guys did do a sound decibel test on the way up the Ike! Can you tell your fans how quiet it was? Thanks
It was very quiet, possibly best in class.
Thanks Nathan! Here's another question I thought of after watching the video again. Does the new Expedition have an automatic light check function like the Nissan Titans? For 81K it really should, right?!!! Please let us know.
Perhaps, but you know what? POWER WAGON DON'T CARE! lol Sorry, couldn't resist. Love ya, brother.
It has LEDs all-around, but - no, there is no light check feature like the Titan.
1:03 I'm pretty sure that cover is held on but nothing but tabs. Great for the first couple years but broken and thrown away by the third.
That was a good edit to show the rear camera and trailer hitch.
Two next gen Land Rover Evoques as well. Nice catch.
great review. I am a little biased, currently on my second expedition, and hoping to upgrade to the 2018 soon. good point about towing help for the occasional tow-er. We tow a camper only about 4-5 times per year so any extra stability and assistance is welcomed, especially with a vehicle full of people.
scotty_rides we tow will a vehicle full of people too. I had a difficult time finding a 7 passenger SUV with enough payload to support both the camper and family before I bought my current SUV.
Do you know what the payload ratings are for the new Expedition? I can't find it anywhere.
Have you tried the Ford Towing Guide? www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/Ford_Linc_18RVTTowGuide_r2_Nov27.pdf
I have and looked again since the revision. No mention of payload ratings or GVWR for the Expedition. Although I did see page 37 states the receiver is rated at 930 lbs max with weight distribution so that is limiting factor for me. I use 10% of trailer weight on the hitch as a minimum not a maximum.
Page 30, GCWR and Towing Capacity
I am interested in this SUV with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package to tow a Winnebago trailer rated at 6620 dry weight. This will be to use probably like 5-10 times a year for our family of 3. I am new to the RV experience and would like to have feedback. I am not too much fan of a pickup all year long and thought this SUV might be the solution. Thank you
Awesome channels guys!!!
Thanks for all the well done videos u guys do.
I actually drove on that hill the first time. Going down hill we almost burned the brakes on our rental Dodge Caravan. Going up hill, the 3.6 V6 with 4 adults was not happy at all. :-)
Great video: I noticed the towing mirrors...Please tell me what kind of towing mirror add-ons do you recommend for the ‘18 Expedition?
Good Morning TFL Truck & TFL Truck Subscribers. Have a great weekend.
I recently began driving an '18 Ford 150 Raptor and tow on occasion with a single axle trailer loaded right up to its GWR of 3,500# and tongue weight just under 400#. I thought I was nuts because I NEVER have to brake in tow mode on long steep downhill runs. It grade shifts excellently and I think (not totally sure) that it applies the brakes itself (no brake lights noticed) to hold back. So you guys having only one early on brake application on Ike, maybe I am not so nutty.
Fantastic video as always. Thanks for the entertainment and wisdom
I know that road very well. First drove it in 1973 when it opened. Drove Loveland Pass before that. Still like the pass, more scenic. When they first head up hill you see condos on the right. Owned one and a house and property for over 15 years. I might have driven that road 3 00+ times. The gas station they stopped at is 1/2 mile to the north. A 7-11.
Was impressed by the trans grade braking. Someone said use cheaper brakes instead of trans. They do not know how to drive in the mountains. Have smelled overheated brakes many times at the. Seen several accidents from overheated brakes.
In the last scene standing in the parking area. Look at the mountain behind the left .guy. That is Mt Bethel. The 2 dark vertical lines are snow fences to keep snow off the avalanche chute to the right, Loveland Basin ski area is a mile closer. Feb 1988 they got 77 inches of snow in 5 days. CDOT caused a avalanche there. Buried the interstate. I had to sit there 5 1/2 hours for one lane to get cleared.
I love love these videos and I don't even own a truck or a large SUV much less tow anything.
sweet video TFL!
At least the trailer hitch cover is a lot easier to take off in the Yukon XL... Would you guys consider doing a Lincoln Navigator?
Not sure if it’s a colour profile you guys are using in your videos but lately they all have a green tinge. Some shots more than others. The beginning shot of the guys in the cab is very green.
Wish we could fast forward 10 years and see how well these engines are holding up. Especially towing here in AZ heat.
Don Leamon well they've already been in use for seven years and they have proven to be pretty bullet proof.
Don Leamon Although when ebs first came out they had issues, those have been worked out. They're pretty damn reliable now.
There should be some examples now that the EB V6 has been on sale since 2011 in the F-150, Flex, Explorer, and Lincoln MKT and Navigator. I doubt the EB V6 is especially unreliable, but when it comes time to fix something, the repair costs are likely to be higher than what's needed to fix an OHV V8.
The mileage improvement claims have already shown to be largely nil.
SurelyYewJest Well there's always the v8 option with the 5.0. Personally, when I bought my explorer, I went with the 3.5 duratec, which is supposidly, a very reliable na engine, but I have no gripes with ecoboost engines, I just agree that a na engine will be cheaper to mantain, but that doesn't mean a eb is unreliable like you said, it just means it'll be more expensive to mantained over a long period of time, 10-15 yrs. I'm essentially just restating your points because I liked your post, well said.
Puff the Magic Dragon I don’t believe there is a 5.0 option as of right now... I am kinda surprised by that but it makes sense the 5.0 while an incredible engine doesn’t really have a lot of low end torque to move a heavy SUV...or it wasn’t getting the CAFE numbers mpg Ford needed.
Hired this ford from Alamo in Boston up to niagra falls down to Washington DC New York Boston beautiful truck so comfortable and smooth wish I could of took it back to the uk GMC Yukon vs Ford Expedition both great trucks
These guys are awesome. I don’t even care for these vehicles , I’m just amazed at the chemistry these 3 men have.
I wonder if the 3.73 rear end helps with grade shifting??? Usually most the testing is done with a 3.5 EcoBoost in a 3.55 rear end?
Yes, it may have helped. By the transmission algorithm did most of the work.
1 brake application. Amazing. Never see that before!! Ever!!
Andre is amped up for this one!
Anthony C , Andre is my favorite. and when he and Kent are together. it's priceless.
GREAT VEDIO GUYS. WHY EVERY ONE USES THE TOP OF THE LINE TRUCKS? WHAT ABOUT THE MIDRANGE ONES?
Great video. Beautiful truck inside and out . But I still can't get used to not having gear shifters .
Damn that's an impressive run.
We bought a 2019 Expedition XLT Max to pull our travel trailer. It's AMAZING. The grade shifting is everything they said it was. The power is incredible. The transmission is bang on. Rear suspension is great - rides wonderfully, handles the trailer at 75 no problemo. Great Truck! Love it.
Weight of trailer?
@@13cardenk 5900 lbs empty, 7000 max
Please share your experience with the helper mirrors you used. Some Amazon buyers are hating on the camco branded ones.
I wonder if the 3.0 powerstroke will ever make it’s way into the Expedition and or Navigator? That would really improve the mpg.
I don't do any towing but Kent saying it was cold got me thinking...what effect does temperature have on a vehicles towing performance? I would thing MPG would decrease, brake fade would be less, and maybe a bunch of other things. Any thoughts?
wow very nice..I wander if the Expedition will ever come to Australia.
Great review guys I love that SUV
Love it. I've got an '18 FX4 Expy...looking forward to the off-road vid.
One brake application... is that a record?
DanielJaegerFilms I wanna say the Duramax had 0 last year or the year prior!
Not to take away from that, but didn't it go really low to like 45mph?
Yeah that's chevy.... can't tow can't OFFROAD for shit they get stuck in grass with 4x4 lol
But as a Toyota fan - our yotas tow just fine no issues other than breaks & Toyota breaks although reliable absolutely suck .... tundra Tacoma FGT SGT TGT and most all Tacoma breaks sucked
& Chevy can tow more weight but it's newer trucks suck at gearing!
Most people who want to tow with tundras do air ride & stuff & some swap out our axles for Chevy 2500 axles for towing
Even Corolla & camery brakes suck .... the RAV4 06+ had decent brakes and the newest tundra has been improved but for towing I've herd it's still not going to compare to diesel braking wise.... & TWINN turbos on a 5.7L would just be scary AF....i imagine the supercharger does VERY well!
No. A couple others had really low brake app counts. There have even been times where a particular example of a particular truck model has had more or fewer brake apps than a previous example (of the same truck) they tested.
The brake app test is useless IMO. I get the logic behind it, but the results they've gotten over the last couple years they've had it, indicates to me that there are factors outside just a truck's engineering that affect it.
I want see the Ford Expedition in off road!!!!!
You can't see it off-road because it can't off-road
took mine off road with the family last week. Went to several mountain peaks in Idaho near Yellowstone. One trail was was only designed for side by sides, but the Max was amazing! super smooth ride, handled the rocks, ruts, loose dirt/gravel with ease.
Your reviews are off the chain.
Us older guys are the only ones that get the the "Elvis pelvis" reference from mr truck lol
chad harmon I get it and I’m not THAT old. Lol. Almost 28. But I am a truck guy so that’s the other reason we get the Elvis pelvis reference
my uncle used to say that all the time
Really liked this video. But in regards to something Mr Truck said at 7:35, Ford does not use a compound turbo setup. They are of equal size, and each handles three cylinders.
Stuka87 "Each handles three cylinders" Interesting. Had no idea.
As I recall they aren't the same size, one is smaller for faster spooling at the start.
They are the same size, just mirrored from each other. They are really small turbos and spool quite fast. Which is why they have great torque, but fall on their face past 5000rpm. A compound turbo setup requires the exhaust from all cylinders to be routed to one turbo, which then feeds another turbo.
Is it safer to tow a heavy load with an F150 or are the Expedition and F150 basically same truck towing when it comes to a long (ish) RV and moderate wind conditions?
Curious about this as well
Think of the expy as derated f150 because of heavier interior weight and more cushioned rear suspension. If you can live with slightly lower towing and payload, the expedition provides a better driving experience - especially with more passengers.
Was that a land rover product in camouflage in the video?
Thanks for the test!
Wow huge score
Great review....it would be helpful to note the outdoor temperature during these reviews as the turbo horsepower and torque numbers improve rather dramatically at low temperature. Living in the southeast I'm wondering how it will climb our eastern mountains on 95 degree days? Mostly an oil temperature concern with two turbos cooking oil?
Does the Expedition have the 2nd generation 3.5L Ecoboost with both Port and Direct Injection, or the older version with just direct injection. The 3.5 L in the 2018 F150 has both Port and Direct Injection. Are the LED lights the same crappy ones on the 2018 Ford F150 which received a Poor rating by the IIHS?
Can't wait to see you guys take the FX4 up goldmine hill!
Speaking of which, I'd love to see you guys take the Z71 Tahoe up goldmine hill!
I love my platinum. Ford really improves on the new expedition. I have an 18. We are buying a 32 ft travel trailer tomorrow. I think it will test the limits. We will see
How did the Expedition perform with 32ft trailer?
All depends on the total weight of the trailer, Did you end up buying one? I have said I would never want to tow a trailer unless it was a heavy duty truck but now, with this expedition it has me rethinking that. Towing 6,000 lbs at 60 up the hill is impressive.
I want to know which of the three suspension options are the best for towing and was is the replacement cost of each. The FX4 vs. standard suspension vs. the CCD suspension.
FORD EXPEDITION IS TOP NOTCH. Thanks guyes great video i am a longtime subscriber
4 gauge Electric fans have belts? No wonder you think it takes 5 hours to change a fanbelt... On a more serious note, every modern car will be more complex than its predecessor. That's simply how technology has come about in these computers on wheels. Doesnt discount the capability and "TOP NOTCH"ness of the OP's comment though.
4 gauge what is your definition of “sealed”? And I’m pretty sure F-Series have had electric fans for the better part of a decade now...
4 gauge But the new fords are also much more reliable than the old ones. They may be more expensive to fix, but the trade off is they break alot less.
Alan Bowers It doesn't mean the products will be unreliable. What's more reliable, a model t or a new ford? Thr answer is obvious, most of these will last hundreds of thousands of miles without many issues, that's just how new cars are. I agree they're harder and more expensive to fix, but the trade off is they don't need to be fixed near as much.
Puff the Magic Dragon sure I agree. My point was merely for 4 gauge who doesn’t seem to actually have experience on modern cars. Certain aspects can be more unreliable but like you said in general they are better than they were.
I wonder if they've fixed the EcoBoost's various reliability issues yet.
Will be interesting to see what kind of marketshare this can steal from the Tahoe/Suburban. Are they slated for redesign 2020 model year or 2021?
NWI It's going to be a good battle for marketshare. Personally ford and gm are both doing great right now imo, hopefully, competition like this continues to creare better products from both brands, sick corvette btw.
I think Ford is kicking GM's ass to hell and back on the interior game. I legitimately think GM is taking five massive steps backward, going back to acres of hard, poorly fitting, and weak black plastics with therrible graining. I hate to say it, but I work at a Chevy dealer - I am entirely unimpressed with nearly everything they have out right now. I think Buick and GMC, on the other hand, are doing great interior-wise.
You could get about the same HP and torque number from the standard 3.5 EcoBoost with a tune, as you could with the 3.5 HO
What is the background music? Anyone please 0:22
question: the uphill test. is that heading east on I-70? passed through the area and I can tell how much work goes into these tests. appreciate you guys! keep it up.
Yes. This is going East up the mountain.
Awesome video!!!!!
Solid performance, but then for $81K+, it ought to be. How does the unsprung weight of those 22s compare to saner (and cheaper to run) options?
Question: using a sway bar system is smart on the SUV because of the independent rear suspension. But how would you use a sway bar system when towing a boat? The tongues on boat trailers are so long I’m not sure how you would do that. Any thoughts?
Pole Tongue Adapter Kit
Does the base 2wd version have the same towing capacity in the regular length?
400hp and 480lb-ft of torque that's insane
Eternal Thread How is that insane? It's a twin turbocharged V6?
INSANITY most people can not afford....
@@talonskull5 gotta pay to play
Hello guys! I am wondering, why do you have a removable trailer jack in the front of your cargo trailer?
You guys definitely need to take it off-road!
Pretty nice truck.. did I miss where you said what the MPG for that run was?
Cant wait to see the 0-60 with this. Might beat the F150. F150 does not have 400Hp in any model and has no 3:73 gear option in the higher trims.
YEESSSS I LOVE FORD EXPEDITION THANKS FORD
I would really like to see a video of expedition going off-road like Gold Mine Hill would be awesome
I pull my 7500 LBS, 27 foot trailer trailer with my 08 Expedition Eddie Bauer. It pulls pretty nice but if definitely can not pull up a 7% grade at 60 mph.
Think ford gave that a little tune... 600lbft easily achieved.
@@boogboog8097 since this comment I have actually done the lock out of the cam phasers and tuned my 08, pulls a lot better. I also went out and got a '15 Expedition Max Platinum with the EcoBoost and that thing pulls amazing well.
Great video, who makes those auxiliary tow mirrors?
I through the box away, can't remember. bought them from Walmart. The suction cup on the mirror face. That way you can adjust them with the power mirror.
Now can ford make the explorer body on frame again?
D Jay T the explorer is going rear wheel drive again in 2019 on it's new platform but it won't be body on frame.
Unfortunately, I think those days are long gone. I also have little hope for the upcoming Bronco revival.
D Jay T The only advantage of that would be offroading and maybe towing. Things most explorer owners will never do, I didn't say no owners, I said most. Plus, if you wanted a badass offroader , why not buy a raptor or the new Bronco that's rumored to be priced similarly to the explorer, according to a supposed ford engineer claiming they wanted a 30k starting price, but that's just a claim, who knows if it's true. The 2011 to current imo body explorers are great, among some of the best family cars out there, aside from hardcore offroading, they do everything well. They're safe, reliable, reasonable fast, attractive, comfortable, decently roomy, and enjoyable to drive. The old explorers were great, my grandparents owned one from the early 90s until 2010, when it was totaled and they now own a '04 explorer, they love them, but they love my 2017. I don't even have a loaded up model, it's the base because my parents didn't want a huge amount of tech features, plus we wanted a car that would be reliable long term. The higher end explorers are pretty reliable, but not as reliable as the lower trim levels it seems.
Ryan Edwards Rear drive??!!!! 😍😍😍
Take the FX4 Expedition off road!
It will not do that well due to the default tires. Now put on some KO2's and I think it would do really well.
It wouldn't do well because of it's dimensions - approach, departure angles & whatnot.
Daniel Heller all the more reason to upgrade to a larger diameter K02! :)
Alan Bowers Without a small lift a set of more aggressive tires wouldn't stop someone from tearing the bumpers up.
Man O War depends on the terrain, and depends on how much of a lift tires could allow without rubbing the fenders themselves. But many run larger more aggressive tires on stock suspension to get that little bit more with good success most of the time.
That narration at end, sounds like John Rooth's speaking.
Hey TFL Truck. I believe no one in Canada can sign into TFLTruck. All my friends and family tried and when you register it states it is sending a confirmation email but we never get an email. Waiting 2 days now and no email???
I think someone may have already taken your handle on there.
S. Central Keystone Someone had taken my handle but it wasnt that. Nobody in my City basically was getting a return email. Friends tried and couldnt get it. Andre reset or reconfigured their return email and it works now
1:02 That plastic is going to break off if people remove and install it often..
Should be next video for Lincoln Navigator towing test!!!!!!!
You guys forgot to mention that it has a automatic load leveling rear suspension.
Mr Truck Loves to hear himself talk
I am interested in this SUV with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package to tow a Winnebago trailer rated at 6620 dry weight. This will be to use probably like 5-10 times a year for our family of 3. I am new to the RV experience and would like to have feedback. I am not too much fan of a pickup all year long and thought this SUV might be the solution. Thank you
You could probably get away with it if the trailer isnt more than 30ft long and you have pure pride or Hensley hitch and you empty water tanks and travel light. 6200-6500lbs uvwr is a common testing point now. 23ft and 5500lb is the sweet spot. Some people pushing 7500lb 30ft'ers but they are extra careful and probably experienced towers ... biggest danger would be windy steep mountain highways downhill. Limit your speed.
Matthew Marlowe after much research we decided to go with a 34’ fifth wheel. TV is a F250 Gas. Still got the Expedition for the wife but without the HD tow package. So far so good with all three vehicles. Thank you for the reply though.
Hello
Does the expedition come in 8 passenger?
Its a timed test, but either its pedal to the metal, the speed limit, or 60 mph? Not sure how that equates to fair. If the expedition could attain 70 mph then why was it held at 60? Or was it full throttle? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just a bit confusing. Has the testing changed? Are they all going to do 60?
60mph is the speed limit.
Its weird how LED's seem to have different brightness' on each side of the trailers, and/or cars on video.
Nathan Lee Most LED 's are very directional, they look dimmer if you are viewing from an angle.
benjaminwayneb yeah, when I saw LED’s for the first time in a vid, I kept thinking something was wrong with their lights. Though as I got older, in understood why it was this way.
I didn't catch how much weight you were pulling?
AMAZING FORD EXPEDETION
A 6,000 truck at 3,000 RPM at 60 mph pulling 7000 lbs up the IKE-simply amazing.
* 6,000 lb.
Does it take Premium 93 octane gas?
PLEASE tell me what is that awesome MUSIC used in the VIDEO PLEASE!!!!
3.8mpg for uphill... is it the same for F-series trucks?
Can you test GLS450 vs X7 vs Q7 vs Cayenne va QX80 for towing? It is hard to believe German SUVs can’t tow better than American SUVs.