I noticed that with Baldurs Gate, virtually every NPC is entry is: "This NPC can be found in _insert location_ . There are many NPC that you can interact with in BG3"
I remember their wiki and walkthroughs being very useful and accurate for my first DS3 playthrough (this was a couple years after release), but when Elden Ring first came out their wiki was infuriatingly bad and difficult to avoid in search results.
You haven't seen shit. If you played the new Pathfinder game when it came out all their wikis were barren, the Lich page took a month post launch to get edited and they were nuking comments telling you how to do it. All their pages are just templates that get filled in sooner or later if the admins felt like it that day. Hell it took them a week or more to update that big meta INT sword that got nerfed in the first Elden Ring patch. So people were getting pissed that this god sword sucked ass.
must have been all those comments they stole and threw into their guides. I stopped using it because they would strait steal content from others and reword whatever it was and claim it was their own in the guides.
If a game is fresh they’ll be conflicting information on things so it makes sense I don’t get why people are shitting their pants. They are helpful source of information
@@Themostfluffiest People are definitely exaggerating. If you go to their builds, like for Divinity, it's probably a 15 minute video and it explains how the build works and the mechanics fairly well. What they don't do if go full on data miner and give you Google docs spreadsheets full of motion values, calcs, and formulas for scaling. But generally, you can take a build from them and run it through the highest difficulty in whatever game you're playing with no issue.
Thank you for coverin this. I am an Editor on the BG3 community wiki and it was so hard watching how Fextralive is always the first search result on google with their half-assed content and stream promotions while the community wiki struggles to show up at all after all the SEO work we put into it.
i feel like it’s becoming increasingly common for companies and elements of our government to respond to accusations with “oh no. nope. that wasn’t us, we didn’t do that. issue solved, thank you!”
Recently these actions are getting caught, before they were working and issues were really solved that way. Now we like to keep them accountable and they have hard time adjusting. Maybe they will develop something better soon.
THANK YOU for talking about this situation! The Baldur's Gate 3 Wiki that they have is abysmal, while the community BG3 wiki is quite good. It's a damn shame they are hiding the work others put into a competitor.
I feel like I'm getting an aneurism when I check stuff on the fextralife wiki. Like they're literally just copy and pasting shit from the 5e SRD. Meanwhile I later learned about the community bg3 wiki and holy shit it actually doesn't waste your time and just provides you with the info you wanted to look up.
Fextralife: "Our sponsors are aware of the embed, and it's a great deal for them to be able to promote their content on both twitch and to our site users at the same time, particularly in the prime location that the embed has on our website" also fextralife: "No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue"
what about click through rate? Plenty of people probably join the twitch stream through that embedded link. A big number of them probably dont even have twitch accounts so that could explain the lack of chatters.
@@TheIrishMugFug That doesn’t explain the lack of chatters because you can see the usernames of the people who DO have accounts and are logged in on their browser yet the chat is still dead because none of them are actually in the stream. The upside to twitch fighting ad-blockers is that anyone with an adblocker automatically has the embedded stream stopped when they visit the website. That made me happy to see when I was looking up some Monster Hunter info and misclicked the fextralife site.
The first time I became aware of fextralife's practices was a few years ago, when I was researching some weapon upgrades for Code Vein. I arrived at the fextralife wiki, and it was embarassingly barren (the game was out for like a year or two at that point). It was empty to the point where I questioned why they even bothered in the first place. And then I noticed the embedded chat, and it immediately made sense...
My problem with fextra and fandom and sometimes a few other sites that used to be bigger is when they stagnate with a bad wiki. Its okay if its bad and unfinished at launch but keep working on it until its accurate and complete. There's a bloodborne wiki made for free by fans and its BEAUTIFUL and incredibly well filled out with detailed accurate information. I always found with dark souls fextra is one of the only options and kinda sucks even years after the games releases. Elden Ring seems better so why not go back to the older games?
The thing is, at some point fextralife had some good advice, good guides and the misguidance of their page was more often than not a misconception of the game community as a whole, but a little after dark souls 3 release, their guides started to take a turn for the worst to the point where they are now, and it became even worse when they were acquired/did an acquisition
Yeah, it sucks. The Dark Souls 2 wiki was a valuable resource for me going through the game but somewhere around 2016 or so the quality of their wikis just nosedived.
I used their guides and builds for Divinity Original Sin 2 so often but they really did get worse. Have you seen their Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous section? Absolute incomplete garbage with grammar errors galore. Feels like each section has their own people and the DOS2 one is the best arguably.
@@Misanthropolis yeah I remember that too. I used the wiki for a bunch of stuff in Dks2 and even for Dks3. Their Elden Ring page was horrible on launch though... I mean really shitty. A whole bunch of info was just fake, I remember them later on changing like half of some pages and still posting incorrect info. Usually it was quests and where to find items, it was frustrating. I don't get why they couldn't just, you know test the info, see that it's incorrect and just leave a note on the page explaining that the guide is simply incomplete. I wasted a lot of time on their site while playing Elden Ring following that incorrect info. With Armored Core 6 (which I'm a complete newcomer to the series unlike Elden Ring which is a soulslike.) I'm not making the same mistake, if I need info I look it up on YT and then on Google and I avoid fextralife because I definitely don't need to waste 1h finding out that I didn't need to do X to get Y but something else.
I never used actual Walk-through guides from them, but I always liked them for Souls games to look at weapon stats and requirements. Same with Elden Ring for item location.
When I got into Monster Hunter World, their wiki (at the time at least, which was after the game had already been out for a while) actually felt pretty solid and was genuinely helpful. Now that I'm playing BG3 closer to its release and want to look up some mechanics, I'm seeing that they are NOT consistent at all and decided to start avoiding them as best I can. Especially glad I did with all this info.
Some games are very solid while some are absolute shit, seems like the inconsistencies are on a game to game basis. They had almost all the items from remnant 2 on the wiki within DAYS of release, and i thought they surely would put more effort and manpower to bg3 pages since its much more hyped and almost guarenteed hit. But noooo, its been 3 weeks and the pages are like some high school wiki project. Pretty sure the quality of fextralife wikis are just based off how much they can datamine on day one and move on to other games right away.
Same here, their wiki is actually pretty good for older releases. Using it for Monster Hunter helped me a ton. However on release of Elden Ring and around a month or so of it being a new game Fextralife was full of completely BS information. I wasted hours on their guides only to find out that they listed the wrong NPC, or wrong location etc. I don't understand why they can't just test the info and if it's incorrect simply say the guide is incomplete which would be totally understandable for a game like Elden Ring on/near release. Eventually I just looked things up on YT. Today the ER wiki is pretty decent but I still try to avoid it and mostly use it as a supplementary source.
sorry ton say but like usual charlie is misinformed and then misinforms a million+ people, that's a fucking WIKI... aka EDITTED AND WRITTEN BY FUCKING RANDOS..... you can literally see the history of edits on every page and who did them... i'm about as rando and a nobody as much as you can get and yet you'll find my name in the edit history of a lot of pages from like a year ago or shortly after the game came out because i personally added a bunch of info and fixed a bunch of incorrect info/horrible english on A LOT of pages, if you goto the elden ring page and look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... so if you find shit that's incorrect or not there and you DO know the info... fill it in and be a bro lol
@@roostworksthat's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
Peeve really queued me into how shady Fextra is. He's been singing it from the mountaintops for years and he's absolutely right. How Twitch just stands by is beyond me.
I felt the same about Polygon when it came to Tears of the Kingdom. Their guide was so bare bones even months after the game’s release. I ended up completing the game 100% and wrote down a bunch of completion tips for people at work who were struggling with the game.
God yes. what's worse is their "Guides" come with a 4 paragraph preamble. When pomemon SV released I wanted to look up how the Terrastal boosts worked. Clicked the Polygon Guide and got an explanation of pokemons history with this kind of gimmick between Megas and Dynamaxing, only for the article to say "It makes your STAB hit harder, click on our other pokemon guides for more info."
Fextralife's wikis for more niche games are complete garbage and usually stay that way long after release. I've played the pathfinder crpgs quite a lot and the wiki for the second still has listings for items that aren't even in it, they just carried over the entries from the first one.
It's crazy that an embedded stream still gives the stream a viewer. Always thought you needed to have the stream's tab open and also thought I heard that the stream needs to not be muted to count as a viewer. I don't use twitch very often, but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this free viewers strat earlier, I feel like it would be used by more companies and streamers than a shitty guides website.
It's absolutely a thing, if you're curious I highly recommend Devin Nash's vid on what he calls "Legal Viewbotting", and it's a phenomenon I've experienced first hand. Twitch is totally ok with it, and I can tell you that streamers are ok with it too since it just pushes you up in the category for no real cost.
man. I actually used their guides for code vein builds and I typically avoid internet drama so I had no idea this was going on, kinda sucks just now finding out they’re problematic
Well its not that they are problematic to their audience. The info is a bit shit, thats annoying. Its not problematic behavior though,just frustrating. They are problematic when it comes to advertisers, because they are falsifying their numbers in order to get inflated ad deals. But that doesnt matter to you or me.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 exactly, they really arnt doing anything wrong, and if I had my own twitch and guide website I would be doing the same thing, and even on the side of advertising, people are only assuming that the numbers arnt real. At the end of the day everyone is just guessing and throwing around numbers so?
@@mattimeikalainen6963 yeah, I just kinda meant on the more general side of things. I used “problematic” for lack of a better word at the time just cause I didn’t put any thought into writing a youtube comment
@@growingoaks imo manipulating your twitch viewes and or your site statistics to be on top and they recently tried to copyright claim someone using a screenshot of game that happened to have fextralife somewhere on the screen can be considered problematic behavior
I think it was this week during the Wayfinder launch or a BG3 stream that I saw them JUST go live. They had 63k viewers on a 7 minute old stream. Absolutely no chat activity whatsoever. This is insane.
The fact Twitch doesn't even have basic protocols that detect multiple tabs from the same IP viewing the same stream and doesn't register that as 1 viewer instead of 2 is utterly ridiculous. I've seen small streamers who only get 40 views on a good day ask their viewers to open multiple tabs each to boost their count over 100 so it can push it up in the category then have other people latch on to inflate the viewers further. On YT that's against TOS.
Maybe you stopped listening but i believe it was stated as merely a theory that multiple tabs of the same ip leads to multiple views. Where was this some proven truth besides in your mind? I truly would love to see some kind of tangible evidence this is true. That being said fextralife is a trash website with garbage info and should remain in the dark corner they came from.
RUclips counts each refresh as a view so if you open a bunch of tabs with a stream then refresh a bunch itll count each tab refreshed as a view.. Not recommending it but that is how it works..
Thank you for this... really nice to see someone talk about this. As someone who came to the same conclusion after looking into their site for 2 releasees of games and only finding straight up false and poorly written guides I am just mad as a gamer that others do this to communities.
I think the issue just needs to be presented to share holders. As “active viewers” is something discussed in their financial guidance which will mislead them to thinking the company is more active than it is. Similar to why Elon tried to back out of the purchase of twitter.
Fextra just says, “But, what is this word? ‘Crime?’ I think that’s what you called it? How do you pronounce the word, ‘crime,’ for future reference? What is this, ‘Reddit Bot,’ of which you speak?” 🫣🤣
I remember the first time I saw a Fextralife Twitch stream with 30k+ viewers but a completely dead chat I was so confused. I was thinking woah, everyone watching this must be concentrating really hard on watching this boss fight and very few people are typing lol. After seeing a couple more streams of theirs like that I realised there were some shenanigans going on with their numbers
I had no idea fextralife was so hated although I've only ever used it for dark souls and elden ring. Looking up where to find certain weapons and what they scale off of. I don't like guides so I never checked that section. They were a good wiki for picking the things you want for your own builds.
@@slam6802 I’ve used their guides for DS 1-3, Elden Ring, and currently Remnant 2 with no problem other than a few vaguely worded sections here and there. The rest of this stuff is new to me, and while kinda suspect, I couldn’t really care less in all honesty.
@@dthomas7931 Honestly with how infamously shit and wrong the Des and DkS wikis are it's a miracle that some people are able to get even a modicum of use out of it. Vague guides are good enough when you don't need wholly accurate info like real numbers, I guess.
Their BG3 wiki is full of datamined/removed content, if you check many weapons/armor a lot of it is "where can I find this?" with no answers because surprise, it's not in the game anymore/you have to use an item spawner for it. @@slam6802
Tbh I didn't even know the web page counted as a view since I always thought being muted didn't count you as a viewer. I thought I needed at least 1% volume to count as one so I always saw muted boring streams on the pages for souls games and just shrugged
I literally just saw a post on the Armored Core subreddit a week ago or so that was talking about getting the mods to blacklist Fextralife due to the bullshit that they've done on the Baldur's Gate 3 subreddit which resulted in the mods there blacklisting Fextralife. Their bullshit wiki has completely overshadowed the much superior Dark Souls wiki that is much harder to find now.
@@Nicolas_Cage_BeesThe issue is as well the Dark souls wiki doesnt have an appeal to players like me where the Dark Souls wiki appears more unorganized compared to fextralifes its shitty and shady and the Embedding/Viewbotting situation isnt their worst case. Fextralife is known in the ER community and Diablo community for stealing builds from other sources. As my comment pointed out their Sanguine Samurai Build is also on an Article from The Gamer. FextraLife utilizes a more Visually Appealing website, Buzzwords, Embedding, and Paying for slots above the offical Dark souls wiki
I didnt know they where that bad, first time i heard about them was when elden ring came out, used a few of their builds and they worked and never really thought any deeper than that. Their site looked crap so only watched their youtube videos. Well the more you know i guess 🤷♀😅 t
Man, this comment made me think about that Avatar way of the water bit where the guy makes a weird face and it has dad jokes like "Cargo space? No, car go road..."
I found this super weird at first because I started playing all the souls games after elden ring, like a rabbit hole of a series i was far too late to, and the guides were all fextralife and all "ok". like enough time had passed that i never noticed any "first" stuff, it had all been fixed. So i had a really positive outlook on it
incredible... someone who knows what an actual wiki is and isn't dumb as fucking stump, HURRAY YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON IN LIKE 6 PAGES OF SCROLLING TO KNOW HOW A WIKI WORKS!!!
Same. When I clicked into this video I was really confused because I've always regarded Fextralife as the go-to site for builds, guides, etc. after having used it as a bible for all From Software games and even a few others as well. And I've always played these games after some time has passed since their release, so the content had always been solid. Only now am I finding out that they've been a black sheep in the community lol.
For me the most annoying thing when I learned about this was seeing them in my "continue watching" or whatever section when I opened up Twitch one day after a long night of Elden Ring. Not only does it count as a view, it forces them into my recommended streams when I never had any intention of watching them.
Denuvo is a company that REALLY needs to be talked about by Charlie. They are getting out of hand FAST. For the sake of the gaming community, as many people as possible need to know that it is certainly the worst thing to happen to gaming since it's invention.
Denuvo has kind of been a known problem for many years, majority of people finding it affects performance an insane amount, I think its more that people are just tired and don't bother with it as a fight, either the companies will keep or won't, sometimes people make files to remove Denuvo or deactivate it for some games, but really i don't think there is much in the long run that will happen to it sadly. I am up for people trying to fight against it, but it kind of seems like a pointless effort in most cases
@@A5tr0101 I can only presume you are trolling, but just to be safe i implore you to do your own research as to just how much damage Denuvo has and will cause. It is not the pirates that are the only ones getting "hurt" by them, but paying customers as well, probably even more so. Charlie has, as far as i recall, briefly mentioned that exact fact in one of his videos, exactly which one i do not recall. If you ever wish to play a game offline again, i suggest you stop telling yourself that this does not concern you. As far as whether preventing piracy is "good" or not, i can easily dismantle the argument that it is. If you wish me to, just say the word.
Started trying to avoid using their site years ago because i didnt like the layout and navigation, plus i found some flat out wrong things so i figured it unreliable. I never noticed their stream embed though. This is wild.
that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
I will admit that I have found Fextralife’s Divinity 2 Original Sin build guides to be helpful. They’re apparently not terribly meta, but they gave me some guidance and inspiration. I hadn’t realized how scummy their Twitch practices were, though.
For the longest time, I thought Fextralife was a community led wiki, where anyone could come in and edit the wiki to add or adjust information like Wikipedia, but I have been enlightened.
The only way it can change is if advertisers grow a brain and realize that they are being defrauded by this. It is like a bank saying they have x amount of money but really having significantly less. If advertisers realize that each view from this view botter is worth way less, they would give less money to twitch. But this will mostly likely hurt the whole platform because advertisers wouldnt know which view is real or fake and twitch aren’t exactly the most competent company.
This can happen for lots of things and i realize this over the years, people and companies have been more inclined in saying this youtube channel has over a BILLION VIEWS , but whst that means i dont reslly what it means there people who just see a video for background noise, maybe the majority of people dont really pay attention towards the products that youtube channels are sponsored by, rhe demographic of the people watching, what numbers mean i think people really dont know how to read them, so things like this, bots have been going on for ever, youtubers have done it ,streamers, bussiness,its amazing how no many measures towards this have been done with the advancements of technology and peogramming in these years
@CaStReEzY- My Goodness! The amount of bots in the reply section is remarkable! Flabbergasted I must say. But shall we not worry. Tea is on the way, shall we have some biscuits in the mean time?
I got banned from their twitch chat for calling out their shady viewer farming practices. Their mods basically said "You are a toxic redditor" and permabanned me after that. Badge of honor.
Actually had no idea this site was either always hated or went downhill. I would absolutely purposefully go to Fextra back when Dark Souls 2 was still getting DLC. Always thought it was specifically a Dark Souls wiki site and it seemed decent.
I'll keep going to fextra because the wiki is good and the RUclips channel is great for RPGs content. I appreciate how fast they put the information on the wiki, even if it's missing some information, because sometimes I need just fast information and I can't find it anywhere.
Dark souls was good because there were official strategy guides for them to copy and a huge community to edit for them. Every other wiki they've done has been largely disliked compared to the fandom ones or even wikidot.
They started as a wiki for Souls games and then branched out to tons of other RPGs. But they put absolutely minimal effort in all those other games and never bother to change the information if it turns out to be false or the game gets updated.
Bro I thought I was alone... I was thinking "For once me and Charlie disagree." I've used the site multiple times and I have ran into information cutting out halfway but they do seem to be there first and with pretty decent content.
The only solution would be creating a separate category on twitch for such entities. Maybe pop them a notice saying "oh, it looks like your activity to viewer ratio is off balance, you've been removed from trending gor the time being". Obviously every stream can have it's downtimes so it would have to be persistent, say 2h straight of subpar activity or something and a more complex algorithm
@DaJodadIm Im not quite familiar with what you have posted my dear friend. This old timer is quite uninformed about the matter. Please fill me in perhaps? Oh my days.
This seems like a simple solution: Just make it so embedded streams don't count as an actual "Viewer". Force them to actually go to the Twitch domain. That should be what Twitch wants anyway. They don't gain much as much from someone viewing an embedded stream on a different site as they would from pushing people to their own domain.
Like Charlie said. why would Twitch ever do that? When Twitch did a deal with some sponsorship / advertising, they charged based on "how many views". Twitch give 0 shits how the fuck the number came up from the first place. As long as they can satisfy the ads, they are getting paid. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
@@alyoshamikhaylov7651 If I recall correctly, he was referring to the streamer, Fextralife, being able to advertise to sponsors that they have "X thousand viewers" because of all the embedded streams counting as "viewers", not Twitch itself being able to monetize that. Twitch itself gains nothing from embedded streams. See the screenshot of Fextralife's response at 17:28: "Embedding is an advertisement of the stream to real people on real browsers on an external website. Like any integration, the objective is to get people to click and go to twitch. No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue." Twitch needs to convert those embedded streams to actual page visits to gain any ad revenue from all those "Viewers", so, as I said they would benefit from pushing people to their own domain as much as possible.
I have a small fear that if this is not taken by the buds soon, it will cause another ad apocalypse where companies pull their ads because streamers in a vast majority viewbots.
I’d like to assume the companies sponsoring the livestream are competent enough to know how this company’s streams and website work, and pay accordingly.
It's more shitty that ads are what makes our lives run. Advertising is so less prevalent in other countries, and it'd be better for us to do something about this hellish ad culture rather than care about numbers going up.
@@handgun559 Could not agree more!! Advertising is such a plague on humanity. I'd love to see a widespread adoption of banning outdoor ads (billboards, bus stops, side of buildings, buses etc) that is prevelant in many European cities.
@@smithynoir9980 I've heard it's genuinely depressing sometimes to leave the US, see far fewer ads, them having to come back. And in some places where they have no outdoor advertisement, it's really painful coming back.
I've done extensive research on how twitch viewership works and it breaks down as such: you have a singe viewer agent. If you have 5 different streams open, you'll count as a single viewer for only one of them at a time. So, over an hour, you'll have been counted as watching each of those 5 streams 20% (ish) of the time. If you have 5 tabs open of one stream, each tab will only be counted ~20% of the time, but 5*.20=1.0. So yes, you'll count as a viewer in each tab, just not to any significant difference if they're all one stream.
Lmao asmongold is doing so much worse imo😂😂 these guys are advertising their own stream on their own website and someone that’s wrong, but asmongold has spent thousands in games like Diablo immortal just to “prove a point”.. yeah I think one’s doing a lot more harm then good here.
@@Monkeyman-qt1sm you're comparing two different problems my man. You're comparing a viewbotting company, to a streamer with money and a community who decided to spend money on a cash grab game. A company using autoplaying streams embedded on their website to inflate viewer numbers is objectively worse than a rich streamer spending a ton of money on a trash game for entertainment and educational(showing us the game is bad) purposes.
The first time I heard about fextralife was during elden ring’s launch and their guides and wiki helped me a lot through my first Dark Souls-like game. I had no idea they committed all these controversies
They always the first one who make "min max build", early game build, any build guide for new games. For example, currently they do Baldur Gate and Armored Core. They do the cringe AI generated image of "Necromancer" and slap "Necro guide baldur gate"
To be honest though, none of this is controversial, Embeds are a legitimate source of viewership just as legitimate as using the main Twitch page, Chat is merely an addon feature to keep viewers engaged and it doesn't need to be used, sounds like Charlies sipping on copium, if Charlie thinks that all of his viewers are sat at the desk chomping at the bit to watch his every move and hear his every word, he's wrong, a good majority wont even remember they have him open on a tab, it's literally the same thing. Most of chat is made up of children spamming "Notice me senpai" which doesn't add anything to the stream itself.
@@dangerousfables Hundred percent agree with you, it's just drama, I understand why Charlie does drama because it brings in the viewers but I much more prefer his gaming videos.
@@jebalitabb8228 agreed. if you take him out of context he sounds very wrong but once you watch the whole thing you realise he makes some very good content with common sense
I played Elden Ring a bit late to the party, and found the fextralife guide to be pretty precise and straightforward. That being said, I feel that ER is a game that is best enjoyed raw.
There is a downside for Twitch though. Advertisers will say 30000 viewer streams only paid x dollars, when it's really a view botted stream and it will eventually cause them to stop using Twitch and use ad dollars elsewhere
Mega capitalists in the comments today. I get you don’t like the concept but twitch would be the first to cry if it was coming back to hurt the platform. Just say “I think this sucks” instead of gulping down the companies
@@ebpthiccpapayas8724 People are too stupid to realize that everything they hate in this world is caused by capitalism though, they'll happily spend hours listing things that are awful about it and then turn around and say it's the best thing ever.
Advertisements work based on region and # of views from people in that region. 30k viewers spread across the globe is a drop in the bucket. Twitch has 26.5 million daily visitors. On average Twitch sees 15 million daily active users. The issue is more for personal sponsorships rather than for Twitch. More viewers being shown is better for Twitch as a whole, which is why they purposely enable embedded streams.
I really found their wikis quite helpful, especially for the early dark souls titles. Haven't been on their site for a long time now, so i can't comment about current state. As for the embedded streams: i have put these little boxes directly to my adblocker, i ain't seeing them. Why would i waste network traffic for something so useless.
Solution: I know you said Twitch has no incentive to do anything about this and I do agree with that but on the contrary, I do think they can do something about this without actually changing anything. It's simple: Twitch can make viewers who are watching an embedded stream not count as a "view." This still keeps Twitch's free advertising and shows off the stream on another website.
no, twitch has an incentive, because a twitch stream on a random website is basically a free ad for twitch on that website. If a website really wants the extra clout by having a twitch ad showing what twitch does on every page of their website so people can click on it and make an account that’s fine. Even if the website gets paid for running ads to viewers twitch makes like 90% of that ad revenue.
@@Paputsza That's so true, I didn't think about that but I still like the idea of viewers not counting as a "view" for an embedded stream. But I want to add something after reading your reply: how about Twitch counts those viewers who view an embedded stream as a "Ghost Viewer." It wouldn't add to the views that particular stream is getting, rather, it would still count to Twitch's Ad revenue. And as an optional addition, when a creator is looking at the statistics for their stream, they could see two separate view counts, one from inside Twitch and one from outside Twitch, but this would only be viewable by the streamer.
Just like Charlie said... just like the backrooms you run into their channel, and when I randomly found their channel on twitch I was shocked to see this channel with so many viewers for a channel I never heard of.
This is what shadman/shadbase used to do, they used to have an embeded stream on their website which a lot of people used to browse and I believe it was in every page, that's the reason why they are still currently the 4th channel with most views in total, even when they haven't streamed since 2019.
I'm trying to get into the gaming thing a bit as my twins start to get into the older games. Thank-you for this video. The first thing i do is google how to play the game.
then don't take his dog shit info as accurate because this is hands down the dumbest fuckin video i;ve ever seen from charlie, do you not know what a wiki is???? that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
Ds3 wiki was fine as far as I remember, but I only really looked up where to find/farm specific items for buulds I wanted to try out...before I learned to use CE
i remember putting ungodly amounts of time into elden ring when it came out and looking for guides and information on their wiki and was dumbfounded when i ran into so much false information and missing information on their wikis. Yes they had something about everything but it isnt helpful when its just plain wrong. Also the builds they post are oftentimes very much the same build with a slight change
Their Elden Ring wikis/walkthroughs are pretty good. I can see how embed can be annoying but they tend to pump out basic builds and wikis that help get you started in a lot of games.
@@shogunpug4071 Notice how I wrote "help you get started". Sorry if their guides are not up to your gamer god standards but they do help the rest of us peasants.
@@cleebe6905 the bare minimum, man. I dunno. I'm just not the type to even search guides unless the game is as complicated as WoW so of course im biased. Other than that just figure it out for yourself, that's the fun part
Charlie's smiles are so rare that it felt AI generated
I’ve had to watch is 5 times just to process it
@@redfrog1628come on man you could of done better than that
The op comment seems like such a bot comment, have you seen the past few RUclips stream thumbnails of his? He’s smiling in a couple of them.
@@derpstick5467 still sends shivers down my spine
@@ChrisShafferOfficialbro literally did the same thing to my comment 💀
He just has the most tame and polite chat, no one talks because they don’t wanna interrupt each other duh
nuh uh
@@LacedKrabbyPatty99your honor, my defendant claims nuh uh
@@Acey4894nuh uh
Lmao or they are actually watching the content?
@@Acey4894 “I rule in their favor, case dismissed”
Don’t think I’ve seen Charlie smile at the camera like that before
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..
Me neither, Charlie must be having the day of his life
NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY RUclips! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯
Then you don’t watch him enough
You could have at least added a time stamp…..
I noticed that with Baldurs Gate, virtually every NPC is entry is: "This NPC can be found in _insert location_ . There are many NPC that you can interact with in BG3"
BG3 is the first game I've actually been to fextralife for, and yeah the copy-pasted empty templates are overwhelmingly common
Lmfao, Elden Ring had it bad, they were straight up making shit up “it came to me in a dream” tier info until someone else corrects them
@@purvdragon-sensei fr, i hate so much how it's the only wiki for elden ring
@@jonaut5705it's not, there's a fandom wiki too. Fextralife is just easiest to find
I remember their wiki and walkthroughs being very useful and accurate for my first DS3 playthrough (this was a couple years after release), but when Elden Ring first came out their wiki was infuriatingly bad and difficult to avoid in search results.
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
You haven't seen shit. If you played the new Pathfinder game when it came out all their wikis were barren, the Lich page took a month post launch to get edited and they were nuking comments telling you how to do it. All their pages are just templates that get filled in sooner or later if the admins felt like it that day. Hell it took them a week or more to update that big meta INT sword that got nerfed in the first Elden Ring patch. So people were getting pissed that this god sword sucked ass.
must have been all those comments they stole and threw into their guides. I stopped using it because they would strait steal content from others and reword whatever it was and claim it was their own in the guides.
If a game is fresh they’ll be conflicting information on things so it makes sense I don’t get why people are shitting their pants. They are helpful source of information
That’s some good SEO lol
Fextralife builds are basically the modern equivalent to 90's guitar tab books
Is that a bad thing? Sorry not from that time, just wondering if you don't mind clarifying what that means.
LOL
@@Themostfluffiest Very basic and bare bones. For beginners but will not explain any mechanics to you.
@@Themostfluffiest The builds are terrible.
@@Themostfluffiest
People are definitely exaggerating. If you go to their builds, like for Divinity, it's probably a 15 minute video and it explains how the build works and the mechanics fairly well. What they don't do if go full on data miner and give you Google docs spreadsheets full of motion values, calcs, and formulas for scaling.
But generally, you can take a build from them and run it through the highest difficulty in whatever game you're playing with no issue.
Thank you for coverin this. I am an Editor on the BG3 community wiki and it was so hard watching how Fextralive is always the first search result on google with their half-assed content and stream promotions while the community wiki struggles to show up at all after all the SEO work we put into it.
Fextralife got accused of cheating and defended themselves with "What's cheating? I didn't know you can cheat here"
"Bot? You mean like ro-bot? Like Transformers? I don't know what you mean!" XD
Average brainless NPC with no sense of self-thought:
Among Us IQ play from Fextralife
I love when Charlie gives us a smile it’s the most sweet and genuine thing
It actually scared me i sharted
except for the fact that it was the most artificial smile known to man
Are you gay?
@@burgerbran artificial like his interest in this video
I still don’t know what a fextralife or whatever the fuck is so
i feel like it’s becoming increasingly common for companies and elements of our government to respond to accusations with “oh no. nope. that wasn’t us, we didn’t do that. issue solved, thank you!”
"We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"
"Source: Trust me bro"
Welcome to a society that uses the word woke.
America is dead
well not recently tho, this has always been the case.
Recently these actions are getting caught, before they were working and issues were really solved that way. Now we like to keep them accountable and they have hard time adjusting. Maybe they will develop something better soon.
@@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627another meme killed by people who over use it
seeing charlie smile in that wholesome way, made my day 5x better
edit: the bots are from fextralife
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY RUclips! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯
=) me too
made me smile ngl
wholesome crit
Charlie's smiles feel very wholesome. Tbf anyone who barely smiles is wholesome when they do.
except hitler
brit detected
@@blorglordcharlie is now an honorary brit
@@tempaccount7024💔💔 NOOO
THANK YOU for talking about this situation! The Baldur's Gate 3 Wiki that they have is abysmal, while the community BG3 wiki is quite good. It's a damn shame they are hiding the work others put into a competitor.
I agree, the pain has been real as an completionist 😭
I feel like I'm getting an aneurism when I check stuff on the fextralife wiki. Like they're literally just copy and pasting shit from the 5e SRD. Meanwhile I later learned about the community bg3 wiki and holy shit it actually doesn't waste your time and just provides you with the info you wanted to look up.
All so that fextra can artificially inflate his twitch stats.
No😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊🎉🎉
@@ChloeOHwowie🎉
Seeing Charlie's happy clone every once in a while is nice.
Lol
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
@@ChrisShafferOfficialbot
Took a break from video games for a sec to watch this video, Intro warmed my soul
@@ChrisShafferOfficialL
Fextralife: "Our sponsors are aware of the embed, and it's a great deal for them to be able to promote their content on both twitch and to our site users at the same time, particularly in the prime location that the embed has on our website"
also fextralife: "No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue"
what about click through rate? Plenty of people probably join the twitch stream through that embedded link. A big number of them probably dont even have twitch accounts so that could explain the lack of chatters.
@TheIrishMugFug the chat is dead because people don't do that at all
@@TheIrishMugFug That doesn’t explain the lack of chatters because you can see the usernames of the people who DO have accounts and are logged in on their browser yet the chat is still dead because none of them are actually in the stream.
The upside to twitch fighting ad-blockers is that anyone with an adblocker automatically has the embedded stream stopped when they visit the website. That made me happy to see when I was looking up some Monster Hunter info and misclicked the fextralife site.
Its as convoluted as their walkthroughs
They were likely referring to twitch ads not playing on the embed
The "It's like falling into the backrooms" made me laugh so hard
The first time I became aware of fextralife's practices was a few years ago, when I was researching some weapon upgrades for Code Vein. I arrived at the fextralife wiki, and it was embarassingly barren (the game was out for like a year or two at that point). It was empty to the point where I questioned why they even bothered in the first place. And then I noticed the embedded chat, and it immediately made sense...
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
@@ChrisShafferOfficial its interesting how youtube would rather shorten our attention spans than delete these bots
@@ChrisShafferOfficial I am yet to see someone mention the fact that this person has the pedophile flag in their pfp
I like that Fextra is finally getting the recognition they deserve.
Their Diablo 4 builds were pretty good at launch, I didn't know that much about them before that though.
I always visit fextra on monster hunter world because there isnt much wiki on mhw back then
@ratchet2002 yeah I get that now. Didn't really know who they were before. I play games, I don't typically care about wiki sites or streamers.
My problem with fextra and fandom and sometimes a few other sites that used to be bigger is when they stagnate with a bad wiki. Its okay if its bad and unfinished at launch but keep working on it until its accurate and complete. There's a bloodborne wiki made for free by fans and its BEAUTIFUL and incredibly well filled out with detailed accurate information. I always found with dark souls fextra is one of the only options and kinda sucks even years after the games releases. Elden Ring seems better so why not go back to the older games?
@ratchet2002 really? I found their resident evil guides on the ps1 helpful
The thing is, at some point fextralife had some good advice, good guides and the misguidance of their page was more often than not a misconception of the game community as a whole, but a little after dark souls 3 release, their guides started to take a turn for the worst to the point where they are now, and it became even worse when they were acquired/did an acquisition
Yeah, it sucks. The Dark Souls 2 wiki was a valuable resource for me going through the game but somewhere around 2016 or so the quality of their wikis just nosedived.
I used their guides and builds for Divinity Original Sin 2 so often but they really did get worse. Have you seen their Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous section? Absolute incomplete garbage with grammar errors galore. Feels like each section has their own people and the DOS2 one is the best arguably.
@@Misanthropolis yeah I remember that too. I used the wiki for a bunch of stuff in Dks2 and even for Dks3.
Their Elden Ring page was horrible on launch though... I mean really shitty. A whole bunch of info was just fake, I remember them later on changing like half of some pages and still posting incorrect info.
Usually it was quests and where to find items, it was frustrating. I don't get why they couldn't just, you know test the info, see that it's incorrect and just leave a note on the page explaining that the guide is simply incomplete.
I wasted a lot of time on their site while playing Elden Ring following that incorrect info.
With Armored Core 6 (which I'm a complete newcomer to the series unlike Elden Ring which is a soulslike.) I'm not making the same mistake, if I need info I look it up on YT and then on Google and I avoid fextralife because I definitely don't need to waste 1h finding out that I didn't need to do X to get Y but something else.
They straight up copied a bunch of content from other smaller wikis and killed them with this kind of SEO gaming strategy. It's super toxic.
I never used actual Walk-through guides from them, but I always liked them for Souls games to look at weapon stats and requirements. Same with Elden Ring for item location.
Don't think I've ever felt horrified by such a wholesome smile before
When I got into Monster Hunter World, their wiki (at the time at least, which was after the game had already been out for a while) actually felt pretty solid and was genuinely helpful. Now that I'm playing BG3 closer to its release and want to look up some mechanics, I'm seeing that they are NOT consistent at all and decided to start avoiding them as best I can. Especially glad I did with all this info.
Some games are very solid while some are absolute shit, seems like the inconsistencies are on a game to game basis.
They had almost all the items from remnant 2 on the wiki within DAYS of release, and i thought they surely would put more effort and manpower to bg3 pages since its much more hyped and almost guarenteed hit. But noooo, its been 3 weeks and the pages are like some high school wiki project.
Pretty sure the quality of fextralife wikis are just based off how much they can datamine on day one and move on to other games right away.
Same here, their wiki is actually pretty good for older releases. Using it for Monster Hunter helped me a ton.
However on release of Elden Ring and around a month or so of it being a new game Fextralife was full of completely BS information.
I wasted hours on their guides only to find out that they listed the wrong NPC, or wrong location etc.
I don't understand why they can't just test the info and if it's incorrect simply say the guide is incomplete which would be totally understandable for a game like Elden Ring on/near release.
Eventually I just looked things up on YT. Today the ER wiki is pretty decent but I still try to avoid it and mostly use it as a supplementary source.
They have plenty of wrong information for MH world back when they started covering it.
sorry ton say but like usual charlie is misinformed and then misinforms a million+ people, that's a fucking WIKI... aka EDITTED AND WRITTEN BY FUCKING RANDOS..... you can literally see the history of edits on every page and who did them... i'm about as rando and a nobody as much as you can get and yet you'll find my name in the edit history of a lot of pages from like a year ago or shortly after the game came out because i personally added a bunch of info and fixed a bunch of incorrect info/horrible english on A LOT of pages,
if you goto the elden ring page and look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
"Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... so if you find shit that's incorrect or not there and you DO know the info... fill it in and be a bro lol
@@roostworksthat's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
"Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
Peeve really queued me into how shady Fextra is. He's been singing it from the mountaintops for years and he's absolutely right. How Twitch just stands by is beyond me.
And their info is so bad, and the "wiki" layout sucks ass
Other than the boss/fight guide(which is hit or miss), they suck at everything else
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This intro needs to become a meme.
When I saw it, it was like being reborn a new gamer man!
for real !!!
I felt the same about Polygon when it came to Tears of the Kingdom. Their guide was so bare bones even months after the game’s release. I ended up completing the game 100% and wrote down a bunch of completion tips for people at work who were struggling with the game.
except polygon is a published website, not A FUCKING WIKI... my god how are people this god damn stupid, charlie included...
God yes. what's worse is their "Guides" come with a 4 paragraph preamble. When pomemon SV released I wanted to look up how the Terrastal boosts worked. Clicked the Polygon Guide and got an explanation of pokemons history with this kind of gimmick between Megas and Dynamaxing, only for the article to say "It makes your STAB hit harder, click on our other pokemon guides for more info."
that's what you deserve for going into polygon.
You wrote tips for your coworkers?? Truly you are a legend.
Fextralife's wikis for more niche games are complete garbage and usually stay that way long after release. I've played the pathfinder crpgs quite a lot and the wiki for the second still has listings for items that aren't even in it, they just carried over the entries from the first one.
It's crazy that an embedded stream still gives the stream a viewer. Always thought you needed to have the stream's tab open and also thought I heard that the stream needs to not be muted to count as a viewer. I don't use twitch very often, but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this free viewers strat earlier, I feel like it would be used by more companies and streamers than a shitty guides website.
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂
@@ChrisShafferOfficial That doesn't sound hilarious at all.
I'd scam twich too, Fuck em, and the advertisers fuck em all.
It's absolutely a thing, if you're curious I highly recommend Devin Nash's vid on what he calls "Legal Viewbotting", and it's a phenomenon I've experienced first hand. Twitch is totally ok with it, and I can tell you that streamers are ok with it too since it just pushes you up in the category for no real cost.
OperaGX did the same thing but Charlie will never call it out
FextraLife now puts their offline chat into Subscriber Mode so you can't check how many embedded people there are, truly a masterclass in scuminess
I got banned from their chat for saying, word for word no added insults or anything, "Why is the chat so slow with almost 20k viewers?"
Why do you care?
Why do you care that I care?
@@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal
man. I actually used their guides for code vein builds and I typically avoid internet drama so I had no idea this was going on, kinda sucks just now finding out they’re problematic
Well its not that they are problematic to their audience.
The info is a bit shit, thats annoying. Its not problematic behavior though,just frustrating.
They are problematic when it comes to advertisers, because they are falsifying their numbers in order to get inflated ad deals.
But that doesnt matter to you or me.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 exactly, they really arnt doing anything wrong, and if I had my own twitch and guide website I would be doing the same thing, and even on the side of advertising, people are only assuming that the numbers arnt real. At the end of the day everyone is just guessing and throwing around numbers so?
It’s sad that people just say “problematic” when they really mean “i disagree” these days cuz the words really lost its meaning to me.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 yeah, I just kinda meant on the more general side of things. I used “problematic” for lack of a better word at the time just cause I didn’t put any thought into writing a youtube comment
@@growingoaks imo manipulating your twitch viewes and or your site statistics to be on top and they recently tried to copyright claim someone using a screenshot of game that happened to have fextralife somewhere on the screen can be considered problematic behavior
I think it was this week during the Wayfinder launch or a BG3 stream that I saw them JUST go live. They had 63k viewers on a 7 minute old stream.
Absolutely no chat activity whatsoever. This is insane.
The fact Twitch doesn't even have basic protocols that detect multiple tabs from the same IP viewing the same stream and doesn't register that as 1 viewer instead of 2 is utterly ridiculous. I've seen small streamers who only get 40 views on a good day ask their viewers to open multiple tabs each to boost their count over 100 so it can push it up in the category then have other people latch on to inflate the viewers further. On YT that's against TOS.
The bots are most likely running cookie gens, proxy’s and other work arounds to not have the same ip be pinged
Maybe you stopped listening but i believe it was stated as merely a theory that multiple tabs of the same ip leads to multiple views. Where was this some proven truth besides in your mind? I truly would love to see some kind of tangible evidence this is true. That being said fextralife is a trash website with garbage info and should remain in the dark corner they came from.
Twitch is a shit show, what else is new?
RUclips counts each refresh as a view so if you open a bunch of tabs with a stream then refresh a bunch itll count each tab refreshed as a view.. Not recommending it but that is how it works..
They do, you’re literally wrong and uneducated on the topic.
Literally anything can be said and upvoted huh? Lmao
Thank you for this... really nice to see someone talk about this. As someone who came to the same conclusion after looking into their site for 2 releasees of games and only finding straight up false and poorly written guides I am just mad as a gamer that others do this to communities.
Pro tip, use an addon that blocks embeds. I use Operas embed blocker but I believe Chrome has add-ons that do the same thing.
I think it still counts the view it just blocks the thing from showing up on your screen.
@@34veljko nope, totally blocks it out of the browser.
@@wowdude4377but does that actually stop the view count from going up?
I think the issue just needs to be presented to share holders. As “active viewers” is something discussed in their financial guidance which will mislead them to thinking the company is more active than it is. Similar to why Elon tried to back out of the purchase of twitter.
Just expose the truth to advertisers and sponsors and they'll be sure to throw a hissy fit about it at Twitch.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639why are you dick riding sponsors? So wild
Fextra just says, “But, what is this word? ‘Crime?’ I think that’s what you called it? How do you pronounce the word, ‘crime,’ for future reference? What is this, ‘Reddit Bot,’ of which you speak?” 🫣🤣
I wonder what percentage of youtube is even real people anymore?..
Last I looked, real viewers were already under half.
@@ItsReallyGeobut how do you check that? Asking outta curiosity
Charlie, your content is always the perfect length for my bus rides, so thanks for making my commute more interesting
ive thought all this for years, cool to see someone actually talk about it finally
I remember the first time I saw a Fextralife Twitch stream with 30k+ viewers but a completely dead chat I was so confused. I was thinking woah, everyone watching this must be concentrating really hard on watching this boss fight and very few people are typing lol. After seeing a couple more streams of theirs like that I realised there were some shenanigans going on with their numbers
Charlie’s smiles so rare that he’s forgotten how to do it.
I had no idea fextralife was so hated although I've only ever used it for dark souls and elden ring. Looking up where to find certain weapons and what they scale off of. I don't like guides so I never checked that section. They were a good wiki for picking the things you want for your own builds.
Their guides for Divinity and Baldur’s Gate are pretty good imo. Never used them for any souls-likes so I can’t speak on that
@@slam6802 I’ve used their guides for DS 1-3, Elden Ring, and currently Remnant 2 with no problem other than a few vaguely worded sections here and there. The rest of this stuff is new to me, and while kinda suspect, I couldn’t really care less in all honesty.
@@dthomas7931 Honestly with how infamously shit and wrong the Des and DkS wikis are it's a miracle that some people are able to get even a modicum of use out of it. Vague guides are good enough when you don't need wholly accurate info like real numbers, I guess.
Their BG3 wiki is full of datamined/removed content, if you check many weapons/armor a lot of it is "where can I find this?" with no answers because surprise, it's not in the game anymore/you have to use an item spawner for it. @@slam6802
Tbh I didn't even know the web page counted as a view since I always thought being muted didn't count you as a viewer. I thought I needed at least 1% volume to count as one so I always saw muted boring streams on the pages for souls games and just shrugged
I always had my gripe about Flextralife and glad SOMEBODY is talking about at it that someone is no other than Charlie. This made my day.
I literally just saw a post on the Armored Core subreddit a week ago or so that was talking about getting the mods to blacklist Fextralife due to the bullshit that they've done on the Baldur's Gate 3 subreddit which resulted in the mods there blacklisting Fextralife. Their bullshit wiki has completely overshadowed the much superior Dark Souls wiki that is much harder to find now.
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂
@@Nicolas_Cage_BeesThe issue is as well the Dark souls wiki doesnt have an appeal to players like me where the Dark Souls wiki appears more unorganized compared to fextralifes its shitty and shady and the Embedding/Viewbotting situation isnt their worst case. Fextralife is known in the ER community and Diablo community for stealing builds from other sources. As my comment pointed out their Sanguine Samurai Build is also on an Article from The Gamer. FextraLife utilizes a more Visually Appealing website, Buzzwords, Embedding, and Paying for slots above the offical Dark souls wiki
I didnt know they where that bad, first time i heard about them was when elden ring came out, used a few of their builds and they worked and never really thought any deeper than that. Their site looked crap so only watched their youtube videos. Well the more you know i guess 🤷♀😅 t
Asmon has been exposing fextralife for the past week. So much so that Fextralife has gone out of his way to curse at Asmon on stream
“I didn’t know Reddit bots were a thing”
“Wiped the servers? You mean like, with a rag?”
Same energy
Man, this comment made me think about that Avatar way of the water bit where the guy makes a weird face and it has dad jokes like "Cargo space? No, car go road..."
I found this super weird at first because I started playing all the souls games after elden ring, like a rabbit hole of a series i was far too late to, and the guides were all fextralife and all "ok". like enough time had passed that i never noticed any "first" stuff, it had all been fixed. So i had a really positive outlook on it
incredible... someone who knows what an actual wiki is and isn't dumb as fucking stump, HURRAY YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON IN LIKE 6 PAGES OF SCROLLING TO KNOW HOW A WIKI WORKS!!!
Same. When I clicked into this video I was really confused because I've always regarded Fextralife as the go-to site for builds, guides, etc. after having used it as a bible for all From Software games and even a few others as well. And I've always played these games after some time has passed since their release, so the content had always been solid. Only now am I finding out that they've been a black sheep in the community lol.
For me the most annoying thing when I learned about this was seeing them in my "continue watching" or whatever section when I opened up Twitch one day after a long night of Elden Ring. Not only does it count as a view, it forces them into my recommended streams when I never had any intention of watching them.
I feel both relieved and concerned when I saw Charlie smile
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..
NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY RUclips! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯
God, the bots are out of control. First real comment though! 🏆
@@dudeoninternetiguesssecond human comment. We are on a roll.
third human comment, the machines shall not win
Denuvo is a company that REALLY needs to be talked about by Charlie. They are getting out of hand FAST. For the sake of the gaming community, as many people as possible need to know that it is certainly the worst thing to happen to gaming since it's invention.
Denuvo has kind of been a known problem for many years, majority of people finding it affects performance an insane amount, I think its more that people are just tired and don't bother with it as a fight, either the companies will keep or won't, sometimes people make files to remove Denuvo or deactivate it for some games, but really i don't think there is much in the long run that will happen to it sadly. I am up for people trying to fight against it, but it kind of seems like a pointless effort in most cases
I feel like preventing piracy is a good thing to be honest
How tf is it good? The only thing it's good for is triple AAA companies profits@@A5tr0101
@@A5tr0101 I can only presume you are trolling, but just to be safe i implore you to do your own research as to just how much damage Denuvo has and will cause. It is not the pirates that are the only ones getting "hurt" by them, but paying customers as well, probably even more so. Charlie has, as far as i recall, briefly mentioned that exact fact in one of his videos, exactly which one i do not recall. If you ever wish to play a game offline again, i suggest you stop telling yourself that this does not concern you. As far as whether preventing piracy is "good" or not, i can easily dismantle the argument that it is. If you wish me to, just say the word.
@@trumpthelastwallbender8126I believe it was the jedi survivor apology tweet video. Or the golem one.
I've never been hooked quicker on one of these videos than the first 5 seconds of this one
Used to have mad respect for them as a casual gamer. Thanks for the enlightenment Charlie
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
@@ChrisShafferOfficialbot detected im going into the mainframe to obliterate all evidence of your existence
@tapp.on.my-pic78😊
You’ve been botted
@@peteryeeterson5766 apparently lol
I don't buy new games because my default assumption is i can't run them, so i'm immune to these idiots
When Charlie said fextralife a chill went down my spine. Truly terrifying
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
You got hit by the bots, didn't ya?
It gave me a chill as well, since now it's proven to be real, and not just a strange figment of my slimiest nightmares.
Started trying to avoid using their site years ago because i didnt like the layout and navigation, plus i found some flat out wrong things so i figured it unreliable. I never noticed their stream embed though. This is wild.
that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
"Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
It's insane how Fextras site is so bad that it lags my laptop harder than Ultrakill.
I will admit that I have found Fextralife’s Divinity 2 Original Sin build guides to be helpful. They’re apparently not terribly meta, but they gave me some guidance and inspiration. I hadn’t realized how scummy their Twitch practices were, though.
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂
same here, i was helping people in the comment section for debunking stuff in early ER
I've not checked out their builds, but they provide a lot of information that was useful for crafting my own builds.
they also force out more useful guide wikis and whatever info they have they stole, everyhing they do is scummy
Yes because their wiki is the first one when you google, then the community start populating with info.
For the longest time, I thought Fextralife was a community led wiki, where anyone could come in and edit the wiki to add or adjust information like Wikipedia, but I have been enlightened.
A moment in history for Charlie to smile like that
The purity of that smile and the happy "Me too" lit up my entire day.
The only way it can change is if advertisers grow a brain and realize that they are being defrauded by this. It is like a bank saying they have x amount of money but really having significantly less. If advertisers realize that each view from this view botter is worth way less, they would give less money to twitch. But this will mostly likely hurt the whole platform because advertisers wouldnt know which view is real or fake and twitch aren’t exactly the most competent company.
This can happen for lots of things and i realize this over the years, people and companies have been more inclined in saying this youtube channel has over a BILLION VIEWS , but whst that means i dont reslly what it means there people who just see a video for background noise, maybe the majority of people dont really pay attention towards the products that youtube channels are sponsored by, rhe demographic of the people watching, what numbers mean i think people really dont know how to read them, so things like this, bots have been going on for ever, youtubers have done it ,streamers, bussiness,its amazing how no many measures towards this have been done with the advancements of technology and peogramming in these years
Not being a dick but you're aware thats exactly how banks work right?
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂
That's exactly how banks work lol.
Yea probably not a great, example trying to pull something out of my ass. A much better example would be a company inflating their worth to investors
That opening was so heartfelt.
The smile at the beginning brings joy to this world
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY RUclips! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯
Bots when they don't get any interaction on their channels (they wasted 100's of dollars)
@CaStReEzY- My Goodness! The amount of bots in the reply section is remarkable! Flabbergasted I must say. But shall we not worry. Tea is on the way, shall we have some biscuits in the mean time?
That smile is giving such Grinch vibes though lmao
Jesus Christ these fucking bots.
This is one of the reasons why I got out of the SEO game, I realized even my meager efforts were actively making the internet worse.
What's SEO?
I'm glad you're putting them on the spot too!!! ❤
It's all nice and cool for Twitch until the ad companies realize and will start either lawsuits or use it as leverage for pricing.
charlie smiled like those memes of dogs smiling, absolutely beautiful 10/10
I got banned from their twitch chat for calling out their shady viewer farming practices. Their mods basically said "You are a toxic redditor" and permabanned me after that. Badge of honor.
Finally, these guys have been jokes in the ESO community for ages
Nobody uses their eso builds because they genuinely suck, everyone in eso just makes their own builds
Or just uses SkinnyCheeks@@FauxReal.
I was waiting for someone to mention eso and fextralife, their guides and builds are fucking garbage
eso is a joke in itself lol
His goofy smile at the start has warmed my heart
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..
I miss when most wikis were all individual fan sites instead of being absorbed into either Fandom or Fextralife.
generally the individual ones are always best too
Yeah, at least most bigger things have a seperate wiki nowadays.
@@toxpov3612 they aren't though, because usually they don't have the resources to populate them completely or correctly
UPDATE: Fextralife, is in fact, breaking rules.
Charlie has the cutest smile a man could possibly have
Actually had no idea this site was either always hated or went downhill. I would absolutely purposefully go to Fextra back when Dark Souls 2 was still getting DLC. Always thought it was specifically a Dark Souls wiki site and it seemed decent.
I'll keep going to fextra because the wiki is good and the RUclips channel is great for RPGs content. I appreciate how fast they put the information on the wiki, even if it's missing some information, because sometimes I need just fast information and I can't find it anywhere.
Dark souls was good because there were official strategy guides for them to copy and a huge community to edit for them. Every other wiki they've done has been largely disliked compared to the fandom ones or even wikidot.
They started as a wiki for Souls games and then branched out to tons of other RPGs. But they put absolutely minimal effort in all those other games and never bother to change the information if it turns out to be false or the game gets updated.
Bro I thought I was alone... I was thinking "For once me and Charlie disagree." I've used the site multiple times and I have ran into information cutting out halfway but they do seem to be there first and with pretty decent content.
@@karlackktheir last review was garbage lol
The only solution would be creating a separate category on twitch for such entities. Maybe pop them a notice saying "oh, it looks like your activity to viewer ratio is off balance, you've been removed from trending gor the time being". Obviously every stream can have it's downtimes so it would have to be persistent, say 2h straight of subpar activity or something and a more complex algorithm
That would suck for streams with lots of lurkers.
@@Dexrazora small price to pay
10:50 And there I hoped he's going to talk about OperaGX controversy, but then I remembered who sponsor his watch parties
charlie never fails to fill me up with information
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..
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NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY RUclips! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯
Ask him nicely and he might fill you up with something else too
@DaJodadIm Im not quite familiar with what you have posted my dear friend. This old timer is quite uninformed about the matter. Please fill me in perhaps? Oh my days.
This seems like a simple solution: Just make it so embedded streams don't count as an actual "Viewer". Force them to actually go to the Twitch domain.
That should be what Twitch wants anyway. They don't gain much as much from someone viewing an embedded stream on a different site as they would from pushing people to their own domain.
Like Charlie said. why would Twitch ever do that? When Twitch did a deal with some sponsorship / advertising, they charged based on "how many views".
Twitch give 0 shits how the fuck the number came up from the first place. As long as they can satisfy the ads, they are getting paid.
Dont hate the player, hate the game.
@@alyoshamikhaylov7651 If I recall correctly, he was referring to the streamer, Fextralife, being able to advertise to sponsors that they have "X thousand viewers" because of all the embedded streams counting as "viewers", not Twitch itself being able to monetize that.
Twitch itself gains nothing from embedded streams. See the screenshot of Fextralife's response at 17:28: "Embedding is an advertisement of the stream to real people on real browsers on an external website. Like any integration, the objective is to get people to click and go to twitch. No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue."
Twitch needs to convert those embedded streams to actual page visits to gain any ad revenue from all those "Viewers", so, as I said they would benefit from pushing people to their own domain as much as possible.
Nice to see this being talked about more.
Them saying they didn't know bots were a thing on Reddit is like when Prince Andrew said he doesn't sweat.
As a small streamer myself, it's stuff like this that kind of put me off of streaming... One can only hope they get punished :/
I have a small fear that if this is not taken by the buds soon, it will cause another ad apocalypse where companies pull their ads because streamers in a vast majority viewbots.
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.
I’d like to assume the companies sponsoring the livestream are competent enough to know how this company’s streams and website work, and pay accordingly.
It's more shitty that ads are what makes our lives run. Advertising is so less prevalent in other countries, and it'd be better for us to do something about this hellish ad culture rather than care about numbers going up.
@@handgun559 Could not agree more!! Advertising is such a plague on humanity. I'd love to see a widespread adoption of banning outdoor ads (billboards, bus stops, side of buildings, buses etc) that is prevelant in many European cities.
@@smithynoir9980 I've heard it's genuinely depressing sometimes to leave the US, see far fewer ads, them having to come back. And in some places where they have no outdoor advertisement, it's really painful coming back.
I've done extensive research on how twitch viewership works and it breaks down as such: you have a singe viewer agent. If you have 5 different streams open, you'll count as a single viewer for only one of them at a time. So, over an hour, you'll have been counted as watching each of those 5 streams 20% (ish) of the time.
If you have 5 tabs open of one stream, each tab will only be counted ~20% of the time, but 5*.20=1.0. So yes, you'll count as a viewer in each tab, just not to any significant difference if they're all one stream.
I've gotten so used to just mentally blocking out ads that I never even realised that was a twitch embed at the side
I wanna thank asmongold for being the most vocal person about this because he has never stopped hating on these people.
Lmao asmongold is doing so much worse imo😂😂 these guys are advertising their own stream on their own website and someone that’s wrong, but asmongold has spent thousands in games like Diablo immortal just to “prove a point”.. yeah I think one’s doing a lot more harm then good here.
@@Monkeyman-qt1sm you're comparing two different problems my man. You're comparing a viewbotting company, to a streamer with money and a community who decided to spend money on a cash grab game.
A company using autoplaying streams embedded on their website to inflate viewer numbers is objectively worse than a rich streamer spending a ton of money on a trash game for entertainment and educational(showing us the game is bad) purposes.
His career is hating on people. He's fucking insufferable.
@@Monkeyman-qt1smyour opinion is both outdated and wrong
@@jebalitabb8228 ehh saw him spend thousands in Diablo, nothings bribing him back from that in my eyes sorry
The first time I heard about fextralife was during elden ring’s launch and their guides and wiki helped me a lot through my first Dark Souls-like game. I had no idea they committed all these controversies
They always the first one who make "min max build", early game build, any build guide for new games. For example, currently they do Baldur Gate and Armored Core.
They do the cringe AI generated image of "Necromancer" and slap "Necro guide baldur gate"
Their builds are either dogshit or copied from their community too @@alyoshamikhaylov7651
To be honest though, none of this is controversial, Embeds are a legitimate source of viewership just as legitimate as using the main Twitch page, Chat is merely an addon feature to keep viewers engaged and it doesn't need to be used, sounds like Charlies sipping on copium, if Charlie thinks that all of his viewers are sat at the desk chomping at the bit to watch his every move and hear his every word, he's wrong, a good majority wont even remember they have him open on a tab, it's literally the same thing.
Most of chat is made up of children spamming "Notice me senpai" which doesn't add anything to the stream itself.
It’s just drama for the drama channels. No one really cares.
@@dangerousfables Hundred percent agree with you, it's just drama, I understand why Charlie does drama because it brings in the viewers but I much more prefer his gaming videos.
You know there's something really wrong happening when even Asmongold is right
I never really watched him before, why do people hate Asmongold so much?
@@risknoodle9979it’s usually people who don’t watch him that have a wrong opinion about what they think his content is lol
@@jebalitabb8228 agreed. if you take him out of context he sounds very wrong but once you watch the whole thing you realise he makes some very good content with common sense
@@risknoodle9979 he looks like a hobo so people think he's a goblin brained goblin, he actually has respectable and intellectual opinions
I played Elden Ring a bit late to the party, and found the fextralife guide to be pretty precise and straightforward. That being said, I feel that ER is a game that is best enjoyed raw.
There is a downside for Twitch though. Advertisers will say 30000 viewer streams only paid x dollars, when it's really a view botted stream and it will eventually cause them to stop using Twitch and use ad dollars elsewhere
Yep, this is the biggest concern with embedding. More folks need to realize this will eventually come back to hurt the entire platform.
Mega capitalists in the comments today. I get you don’t like the concept but twitch would be the first to cry if it was coming back to hurt the platform. Just say “I think this sucks” instead of gulping down the companies
@@ebpthiccpapayas8724 People are too stupid to realize that everything they hate in this world is caused by capitalism though, they'll happily spend hours listing things that are awful about it and then turn around and say it's the best thing ever.
Advertisements work based on region and # of views from people in that region. 30k viewers spread across the globe is a drop in the bucket. Twitch has 26.5 million daily visitors. On average Twitch sees 15 million daily active users.
The issue is more for personal sponsorships rather than for Twitch. More viewers being shown is better for Twitch as a whole, which is why they purposely enable embedded streams.
Charlie's intros have been getting better they've all been cracking me up recently
I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..
We got Asmongold with their Embedding views and now Charlie on this. Good. World needs to know this company.
hopefully their wiki pages get more visitors
@@gameclips5734 Definitely
We need the Prima Games guides back like the good ol days.
seeing charlie smile is like taking a picture of bigfoot
Imagine what real Twitch looks like with Embedding disabled on all streams.
I really found their wikis quite helpful, especially for the early dark souls titles. Haven't been on their site for a long time now, so i can't comment about current state.
As for the embedded streams: i have put these little boxes directly to my adblocker, i ain't seeing them. Why would i waste network traffic for something so useless.
Thanks for spreading the word about these scam artists.
Solution: I know you said Twitch has no incentive to do anything about this and I do agree with that but on the contrary, I do think they can do something about this without actually changing anything. It's simple: Twitch can make viewers who are watching an embedded stream not count as a "view." This still keeps Twitch's free advertising and shows off the stream on another website.
no, twitch has an incentive, because a twitch stream on a random website is basically a free ad for twitch on that website. If a website really wants the extra clout by having a twitch ad showing what twitch does on every page of their website so people can click on it and make an account that’s fine. Even if the website gets paid for running ads to viewers twitch makes like 90% of that ad revenue.
@@Paputsza That's so true, I didn't think about that but I still like the idea of viewers not counting as a "view" for an embedded stream. But I want to add something after reading your reply: how about Twitch counts those viewers who view an embedded stream as a "Ghost Viewer." It wouldn't add to the views that particular stream is getting, rather, it would still count to Twitch's Ad revenue. And as an optional addition, when a creator is looking at the statistics for their stream, they could see two separate view counts, one from inside Twitch and one from outside Twitch, but this would only be viewable by the streamer.
Just like Charlie said... just like the backrooms you run into their channel, and when I randomly found their channel on twitch I was shocked to see this channel with so many viewers for a channel I never heard of.
charlies comment section never fails to make me go from smiling to frowning
Ikr it’s filled with lobotomites saying random dumb shit that has nothing to do with the video
too real
Is it because of the bot hordes, the real people, or both?
@@LibraritheWizardOfficial both, mainly the unoriginal comments just my opinion tho
@@LibraritheWizardOfficialbots
"Are you a gamer?" :)
I am a pretty avid gamer, and i can honestly say ive never heard of this company or site. Glad you gave a heads up lol
This is what shadman/shadbase used to do, they used to have an embeded stream on their website which a lot of people used to browse and I believe it was in every page, that's the reason why they are still currently the 4th channel with most views in total, even when they haven't streamed since 2019.
Clever Shadman.... that clever demon
I'm trying to get into the gaming thing a bit as my twins start to get into the older games. Thank-you for this video. The first thing i do is google how to play the game.
Go in blind, google only when stuck. No tutorial either.
then don't take his dog shit info as accurate because this is hands down the dumbest fuckin video i;ve ever seen from charlie, do you not know what a wiki is????
that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
"Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
Ds3 wiki was fine as far as I remember, but I only really looked up where to find/farm specific items for buulds I wanted to try out...before I learned to use CE
PERECT TIMING i literally was ranting about this with my friends
i remember putting ungodly amounts of time into elden ring when it came out and looking for guides and information on their wiki and was dumbfounded when i ran into so much false information and missing information on their wikis. Yes they had something about everything but it isnt helpful when its just plain wrong. Also the builds they post are oftentimes very much the same build with a slight change
Their Elden Ring wikis/walkthroughs are pretty good. I can see how embed can be annoying but they tend to pump out basic builds and wikis that help get you started in a lot of games.
Notice how you mentioned "basic builds". That's doesn't make them actually helpful. That's the bare minimum
@@shogunpug4071 Notice how I wrote "help you get started". Sorry if their guides are not up to your gamer god standards but they do help the rest of us peasants.
@@cleebe6905 the bare minimum, man. I dunno. I'm just not the type to even search guides unless the game is as complicated as WoW so of course im biased. Other than that just figure it out for yourself, that's the fun part