@@camojoe83 "Just one" sounds like an absolute statement. I assume you think that the just one has a couple of B letters. Jokes on you, there is definitely more than 1.
It should be noted that there are also .45 Long Colt +P rounds that supposedly are capable of matching .44 Magnum ballistics and can do so at a lower chamber pressure due to the slightly larger diameter pf the .45 Long Colt.
The model 69 is my favorite concealed carry for wildlife threats. It gets more use than my Toklat. Glad to see one make it on the channel. I think it as mainly a .44 special with magnum possibilities in a pinch. I carry the Buffalo Bore lower recoil 240 grain solids in it when carrying in the woods.
I consider my hands to be significantly more resilient than average hands. With that said, the 325 grain .45 LC Buffalo bore has a nasty bite to it coming out of a little judge. I have a much quicker recovery time for my second shot with 300 grains. In a bear situation, I’d be more concerned about having a couple grade A shots than a solitary A+.
There are many positive attributes with the 45 Colt. The problems are numerous as well. If you try hard the 45 Colt can match the 44. But with the 44 mag you don’t have to. The ammo selection for the 44 is overwhelming. BB, Garrett, and others make remarkable and powerful loads for the 44 with both regular and long chamber lengths. The long chamber magnums fit in the Red Hawk, Super Red Hawk, Dan Wesson, 445 Super Mag, etc. and they are very stout. If you are stuck on the 45 Colt and Handload, that’s great. If not, the 44 is far more versatile and practical with many factory loads from 44 Russian, 44 Special, and 44 Magnums. Truly from mild to wild. Thanks for the video.
I have both and I agree. And I love reloading .45 Colt +P's. Also .44 mag. But if I had to make a recommendation to someone, I'd say if you reload yeah, go with .45, but if you have to rely on commercial ammo, get .44 mag.
I’m reasonably certain that Buffalo Bore says not to use that .44 mag +p+ in and Smith and Wesson revolvers. That being said, they and others load 300-305 grain hardcast loads that should work just fine. I picked up a box of HSM bear loads in .44 mag 305 grain hardcast specifically because they would fit in my S&W 69 with 2.75” barrel.
You're correct, apparently Chuke didn't read the box or look at the website. Fortunately for him BB made an OAL that wouldn't fit S&W cylinders or this video could have ended badly.
Straight off the BB website: _We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. _*_The answer is NO._* Good thing it wouldn't fit in that 69. Would have probably ruptured it.
I bought my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt in 92' for $240 ish. It is converted to a Super configuration now and I follow the John Linebaugh loadings. My heavy load is 23 gr. H110 under a 320gr Lee LFN
I have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 LC you can hand load some pretty hot rounds but the life of the brass is short Love the gun we’ve had many outdoor adventures 👍😁
Chuke has learned enough not to include obviously false numbers when he does velocity testing. I was happy to see when he got a reading of 440 fps he knew it was a bad reading. Good job. I know those doppler chronos can be tought to get set up... but you definitely wont accidently shoot it so thats a big plus! Great video.
Hey Chuke, 45 LC seems to be very powerful and versitile. I like the look of the large frame SW revolvers in 460 that of course take 454 and 45 LC as well. Only thing is that weapon system might be a tad heavy. Thanks for the good work that goes into this video 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Chuke, thanks for doing this as the .45 Colt is often overlooked especially 265 gr and 335 gr hardcast +P ammo. My Ruger Blackhawk kicked with that Grizzly 265 gr WFNGC +P, but then back on target. Never got to the 335 gr +P. And yes need to find some hardcast .44 Mag +P or higher. I just watched LWRoad who has a Ruger Redhawk and those have longer cylinders. He also had a problem with his chronograph, but a different reason and felt bad for him about 4 months ago. Look forward to the next one Chuke! Thanks.
Thank you for the video. There is a reason that Smith and Wesson will not accommodate the Buffalo Bore +P ammo. I bought the 340gr +P+ for a trip we took to Montana. Buffalo Bore warns against using their ammo in Smith and Wesson revolvers. The frames will stretch resulting in a voided warranty and eventually to serious personal injury. If you want to shoot ammo that powerful, you will have to upgrade to a Ruger Super Blackhawk, Redhawk, or a Taurus.
I have the Taurus Tracker .44 magnum and it is definitely not designed for hot loads. Manual states to use only standard loads. I just get creative with bullet selection
Chuke, I have seen other chronograph tests conducted and several of the shooters stated that when they were too close to the chronograph, especially with short barrels, they got erratic and no readings.
It’s amazing that you have access to such a wide variety of ammunition. Stores in this red state have very few revolver rounds. Nothing in .45 Colt except an occasional Governor/Judge load.
25.5 of 110 and 265g C-P flatnose though a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley 5.5" bbl 45 Colt will go stem to stern through a big whitetail buck and keep going. Very impressive round when turned up but versatile for about anything when at normal velocities.
.45 Colt loaded to the 23,000 psi is still pretty formidable. I’ve found that the barrel/cylinder gap has to be in front of the LabRadar to get accurate readings.
Same here. Mine is the earlier 4.2 inch barrel model (with the square butt handle, pigged in front sight, and cylinder chambered only for the 45 Long Colt instead of the 45 LC and 45 ACP). The only +P ammo I shoot out of it is my handloaded rounds. My favorite +P handload consists of a 250 grain Hornady XTP HP bullet, 27.5 grains of H110 powder, Starline brass cases, and CCI 300 large pistol primers. It has average velocity of 1,338 f.p.s. +/- 34 f.p.s. and my revolver can consistently print a 6 shot group about 1 to 1.5 inches on a target 50 foot away with this round.
I have a Ruger Redhawk 4.2” barrel. I bought some 300 gr JSP loads from Buffalo Bore to try in it. The bullets velocity measured 1,310 fps when measured across my own chrono. That equates to 1,143 ft-lbs muzzle energy!
Max Prasac wrote a great book called the Gun Digest Book of Hunting Revolvers. In it he pits the 44 magnum against the 45 Colt. Craig Copeland did one test and an Independent Lab did the other. In both the 44 magnum out penetrated the 45 Colt. But it was closer with the Craig Copeland test. The 44 magnum still beat the 45 Colt in penetration.
Would have to know the exact setup that was compared. Only fair test would be identical bullet constructions, identical length test barrels, identical revolver make/model, and both cartridges loaded to full potential.
@@exothermal.sprocket the guns were identical and customized to be such. The loads were all tested for both to ensure no load would be unfairly judged against any other. Purchase Max Prasac’s book and read for yourself. It is worth your time.
@@jeffreylocke8808 Ballistics between calibers is a matter of bullet sectional density, velocity, and construction. It wouldn't take much for .45 Colt to out-penetrate .44mag. For example, a 300gr .44 is exactly equivalent to 335gr .45. Given the same velocity and same bullet design, they would penetrate the same.
@@exothermal.sprocketI follow your logic but Craig Copeland did the most extensive test and documented it in Max Prasac’s Handgun Hunting Revolvers Gun Digest Book.
I've been waiting for someone to do a comparison of the 44 Magnum and the 45 Long Colt for bear protection because I know several people that carry each of those calibers and I love both of those calibers but I lean more towards the 45 Long Colt for bear protection
Maybe, think about handloading. I've cast up a fair bit of wide flat nose 41, 44 mag and 45 Colt. Most of those revolvers have gone down the road now for me, but you could end up with a good bit more meaningful shooting. Load them down just a bit, and everything lasts way longer. But, I'd bet the penetration won't show any meaningful drop off. If you keep feeding that L-frame 44, plus P loads, there's a fair chance you'll get the cylinder to bind here and there, maybe speaking to a bit of caution, about some people assuming revolvers have the default reliability edge. Thanks for the video.
had a ruger redhawk in .45 colt found some 360grn hardcast slugs than loaded over 18~21 grns of H110 rifle powder. double tap offered loaded cartridges with 360 grn hardcasts. never did a crony test books numbers give between 1100~1200fps
Chuke, consider yourself lucky that ammo didn't fit your S&W because it's very possible you wouldn't have a gun left after shooting it and some gnarly medical bills. It specifically says on the website and on the box that you should NEVER shoot them in a S&W.
@@sparky_-mf2cs there's a very good reason why Buffalo Bore lists the guns this ammo is safe for and specifically points out that S&W's are NOT strong enough to handle this ammo. There's a big strength difference between S&W .44 magnums and other manufacturers. It has nothing to do with cylinder length other than I suspect that Tim at Buffalo Bore created an OAL too long for the S&W to keep people who don't read the small print from destroying their guns and injuring themselves. You can go read all the info on the BB website if you like.
@brandiwynter it has everything to do with cylinder length...and forged is stronger than cast and both firearms(ruger nd smith ) are rated for the same pressures...rugers arent made of some magical steel stronger than a smith...
@brandiwynter you really think a taurus is stronger than a smith?...nowere on the website does it say a smith isnt strong enough all it saidnit which firearms you can use
@@sparky_-mf2cs go look at the load that Chuke tried to use on the BB website and click "more info" and you'll find it all explained. And yes, while the S&W is a far nicer gun than the Taurus, it is most definitely weaker.
Another excellent video!! On a side note: Wondering about the recoil if you shot 454 Casull rnds out your Taurus revolver? To me it seems the 45 Colt was stout much less than the 454 Casull, just a thought?
Chuke Zombie coating is awesome! I have 2 Super Redhawk Alaskans 44 and 454 Casull. The Smith Combat 44mag looks really really nice. The heavy powerful 45LC is no joke in Taurus.
Time for a Garmin Xero C1 perhaps, probably would pay for itself eventually in reduced ammo cost given how much you have to repeat shots. Plus a lot less frustration which is worth the expense for me.
You will get lower velocities with the Taurus Judge when shooting those 45 Colts. The added free bore in that elongated cylinder will reduce velocities. You would get higher readings out a revolver chambered exclusively in a 45 Colt.
Good comparison. Might have been a good idea to nention that 45 Colt +p is only safe for full size Rugers, Freedom Arms, etc, and NOT for S&W N frames or the Judge. 1200 fps sounds good for a 265 gr 44 Mag load, esp a copper one. The bullet length may intrude into the powder space. Might ve i teredting to test a standard 45 hard cast load (pretty sure they are 255 gr, or maybe a 265 gr Keith SWC) to see how they do. A noderate celocity heavy bulket usually penetrates well. That is the logic behind the Skeeter loads in 44 Spl (usually a 250 gr SWC at 950-1000 fps, at standard pressures). A standard 45 will be slightly slower (14,400 CUP max, iirc). Even the +p 45 Colt is something like 25,000 CUP, which is well below SAAMI pressure for 44 Mag. Helps to be able to handload, of course. You could load a good 44 round with a 240 or 250 gr cast bullet to 1000 or 1100 fps and save yourself a little recoil in the fairly light S&W 69. Cast bullets seem to do well in that velocity range anyway, and probably don't need gas checks. Anyway, just some thoughts. I dearly love the 45, but my only DA one is a 25 Mountain Gun (blued, even). So i would be limited to standard pressure ammo. I don't have a DA 44 either. I like the idea of the 69, or the 2.75" Redhawk (which is a little heavier, and needs diff grips). I know an L frame carries well. My fave handgun is a 4" 686, also the first handgun i ever bought. I very well might use it with 180 gr cast loads. I don't own a 10mm yet, so it would probably be one of the revolvers.
Those chrono readings were definitely incorrect. The velocities were way too low and standard deviations were way too high for Buffalo Bore ammo. Unfortunately turned out to be a waste of ammo, which hurts at the price of BB ammo.
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Apples and oranges guys. If you don’t roll your own, you are not getting the most of any cartridge. Heaviest cast bullets both will hold (45 will always be more) with the most powder possible (safely) the 45 LC will always win due to case capacity. S&W standard revolvers are not built to handle the real heavy loads. The .460 & .500 X frames are a different story. I developed loads for my 460V that rivaled standard 45/70 loads from my 18” Marlin…..safely! I really don’t understand why those that live and recreate in bear country don’t carry the .500 S&W.
@@Catgat37 My S&W 460V is definitely packable, I have many times. A Guides Choice from Diamond D holsters or better yet the chest rig from Gunfighter work very well. After 10-20 minutes you forget you are wearing it. Then again I’m 6’4” 230lbs. Truth be told you need to be comfortable with your decision. Bear attacks are all over the place as far as how they happen. I’m new to Wyoming but have heard a few stories. Two second hand as was told to a relative from the ones attacked. Both had their faces chewed up from Grizzly’s that had zero warning. I was told “chewed off”. The story of three hunters opening up and killing a Grizzly I would imagine his very, very rare. You do you.
You can get it hot with a 45LC and with a 300+ grain hardcast it's going to do business on whatever it hits. I think the 44 Mag with a 240-265 grain hardcast or solid will do about the same damage. That said I still want a big rifle for a Grizz
Revolvers because just about everybody can figure out how to use. I had thought about the 45/410 pistols and revolver rifle. We shot a lot of 410 000 shot. My wife's preferred defense round.
Good stuff, do you have any experience with usin winchester 92s in 45 colt? Im lookin for a good heavy cartridge that will feed in one to hunt with. I have only ran 200 to 255 grain stuff through it but would like something heavier mabey. Ive never tested anything heavier because if it doesnt feed in a 92 its probably not even safe for my other 45 colts 😂.
.45 colt is best revolver round in my opinion. The issue is they dont make many revolvers for it. A medium frame stainless 5 shot revolver with a 3in barrel is what is needed.
I have a Taurus Judge (standard) with a six inch barrel. It’s a great shooter but I’m not sure about using +P in it. Got it at a gun show and it didn’t come with a manual
Thats why Buffalo Bore 340gr +P+ says not for Smith and Wesson on the box. It has nothing to do with the strength of the gun, its because the cylinder is too short, Ruger has a longer cylinder than Smith and Wesson.
I always thought heavy .45Colt in a strong revolver would be a good choice. You can see that 300+ grain projectiles are hard to stop. The only thing better might be proper ammunition in a .480 Ruger revolver. Where the revolvers might fall short is in recovery and followup shots, plus a revolver strong enough for such ammunition is going to be pretty heavy to carry, the exception being the S&W 329. I honestly don't know if slower shots of a more effective cartridge is better than faster shots of a less effective cartridge. I think the user should determine which one they can most effectively carry and shoot.
@@user-ex9zm7bg3x I'm on the fence but I think the answer is different for different people. A person who can remain cool could do better with a single larger caliber round, other people might need to fire more than one round. If possible a person should do the comparison tests for themself.
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures 👍cool beans. I finally put a couple few rounds through my NIB S&W 29. It's been waiting since the 80s to smell smoke. I don't want to blow it up now.
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I can't believe you made that MISTAKE Chuke ---- it tells you right on Buffalo Bore's website the 340+P+ is NOT for use in any S&W. They CAN NOT safely handle that much power. They calculate to about 1600 Footpounds at the muzzle, which is "lower" 454 Casul power level.
If you have a gun and wrists that can tolerate it, the 45 colt can be loaded to consistently outperform the 44 mag. It’s no slouch. However, the options in terms of revolvers that can handle that are slim when compared to those of the 44 mag. In terms of handguns I think the 45 colt is best suited to be a 41 mag and 10mm auto, up to standard pressure 44 mag competitor, with the option to put in cowboy loads to introduce new shooters to the platform. And if you’re a reloader, it uses the same diameter projectiles as 45 ACP, which is a win if you’re a 45 guy. Both 44 mag and 45 LC have good rifle options too. Given its versatility, I pick the 45 LC.
You need to get your chronograph fixed or get a new one. I am shooting Underwood 45 Colt +P 250 grain at 1400 fps. I carry it in a Ruger Blackhawk and a lever action Henry 45 LC with a 20 inch barrel. I would like to see the comparison with hard cast and similar weight rounds. I look forward to seeing the future video. Thanks for all your work and time.
LOL... so now the cast rounds I have been making since the 70's are considered state of the art? Not only that but I have been coating rounds with HT for years before these $2 a round fancy ammo things came out... but... mine cost more like $5 A BOX
45 Colt has almost unreal potential - 45 Auto ain't bad (255 hard cast) is pretty potent. Love the test!! Oh, that Taurus is SICK!! I would love to get one just like it!!!
@@mattspriggs5945 No doubt about it. .45 Colt benefits from modern powders and firearm strength. Originally in the black powder era it was designed to down cavalry horses (as in during battle) with 255gr @ 1050 fps. These days it can do far greater than that (even if unnecessary).
@@exothermal.sprocket @lifted_above largely why I can't understand why people hate on the 45 ACP. It has quite a bit of overlap with the 45 Colt until you get into the crazy stuff as mentioned in 45 Colt. So, if those big bullets at nominal velocities worked so well in the past, what has changed?
@@mattspriggs5945 Marketing, followed by the firearms user's reliance on marketing, and the firearms being built and designed on that marketing. Distilling 150 years of firearms and ammunition, someone who discerns patterns might be able to see that from the turn of the 20th century until today, the trend has been going from large calibers to smaller calibers and from non-expanding blunt projectiles to expanding sleek projectiles. The older projectiles relied on penetration and crushing tissue to get the job done. The newer projectiles rely heavily on velocity, in order to expand, in order to destroy tissue with adequate penetration. Really, the older projectiles were much more reliable as a whole because all the millions of dollars in R&D in terms of aerodynamics, radar, high performance gun steels that can handle much higher pressures, crazy amounts of time and effort into developing every last detail about a cartridge to control high velocity and stability...... the whole thing dissolves down into three goals: Distance (longer and longer reach). Flight shape (minimizing error). Velocity maximizing (small calibers are lousy killers unless they expand, and by expansion you need speed and all the other fancy design built in). Everything else was developed out of these desires. And when you think about it much of that has been military capability increases, and some of that has been hunting long ranges, because hunting/stalking skills have been on a giant decline due to people lifestyle and animal habitat changes. So when people come into the market as relatively young learners, they are bombarded with modern marketing messaging, much of it totally ignores the tried and true older style of doing things and by subtle messaging, implies that "antiquated = ineffective" (total lie). Much of it ignores the basic things necessary to stop a mammal, which are adequate penetration to vitals, and crushing/hemorrhaging tissues. Simple as that. The old style ammunition terminal function was far more reliable in general accomplishing these goals. When you reduce calibers and increase velocities, you run into a massive host of challenges requiring tons of R&D to make them reliable and functional. People forget that 9x19 Parabellum is an OLDER cartridge historically than .45acp. Also, ever notice how the smaller bore higher velocity emphasis is by far the more prevalent "noise" spoken by today's crowd? And they don't seem to mind that a much higher magazine capacity is often required with such things? There is a phenomenon in terminal ballistics that has to do with shockwaves. Seems this is what favors .357 Magnum as being so effective as a manstopper. This shockwave inherent in a fast projectile seems to cause hydraulic effects on living organism that shocks blood pressure, brain function, and has other physiological effects. All of this is beyond simple mechanical destruction that I've been talking about above. 9mm is really incapable of producing this effect at the common velocities it makes. .357 magnum however does, but it wasn't primarily designed for that side effect but rather to defeat hard barriers back in the 1930's, such as car doors and auto glass.
What you mean "no way" there are plenty of factory 45 colt loads that rival 44 mag ballistics. 45 Colt has a ton of potential when you start reloading it.
True you can do this with many calibers, you can load a 38 special to rival a 357 mag in theory but, those are at the extreme! generally a 44 mag is much more powerful than a 45 LC!@@Catgat37
@@timdennebaum4498 yes...if we are talking standard factory ammo, 44 mag is far more powerful than 45 colt. But when you get into buffalo bore territory, 45 colt is a hell of a thumper. I don't necessarily advocate for one or another, I love them both.
I just see the point in pushing a 45 colt to get 44 mag power, the guns and shell casings we not designed for that! If you want a 45 mag, just get a 454 Casull.@@jamespugh
When the 45 Colt was developed, the Army was looking for a pistol caliber. With the speed, mass and energy, to knock down a calvary horse. In modern pistols the old Colt can put out more spank than a 44 magnum. I do not believe I would trust a Taurus to bang with the hottest 45 Colt loads for an extended period of time. It is still a very capable caliber.
A heavy 45 Colt load will more or less match a 44 mag. The problem is most 45 Colt revolvers, save for Ruger, Freedom Arms and perhaps a few others are not designed to and probably will not survive repeated firings of heavy 45 Colt loads.
44 powdered versus 45 long colt bullet do I really need a 44 magnum I don’t have $1000 man I get a 44 long colt with that polar bears bobcats cougars, etc. let me know please?
It's. 45 colt.. not long colt.. they never made a short colt..I was corrected by an old man and when I checked his story I think he was right.. love the video!
Oh boy. 🙄. We all know about the 45Colt proper "title" but if you dig a bit deeper. Just sayin' there's historic evidence for both stemming from 45 colt ammo being distributed to soldiers with 45 Schofield (45 colt short) on the frontier.
@@aaronwilcox6417yes...finally someone else knows this. Indeed, many Schofields were sent to troops with ammo that was just marked "45 cal". When soldiers tried to load it into their Schofields, it would not chamber. Therefore quartermasters started referring to 45 Colt as 45 Long Colt.
The .45 Schofield, was the real " short .45" ..that's why back in 1875 when the S& W SCHOFIELD made its debut, for a few years while it was being tested by the U.S.CALVARY the colt round was in fact labeled LONG COLT, to distinguish it from the shorter. 45 designed for the Schofield revolver! So the term .45 Long Colt is correct!
this isn't a fair comparison. he should of used a 4 to 6" barrel and a better gun the that taurus. 45 long colt is a super good caliber for bear protection as long as they are +p or hand loaded
Guessing the radar could have used a bit of a rotation tweak toward the target. Appears it was facing too far left to get consistent readings? .45 Colt is a beast with the right ammo. Cowboy loads could kill more than people think, but they are fluffy compared to what it's capable of in a strong revolver. I'm a Blackhawk fan.
A 45 colt +p can be a dangerous round to use in the wrong gun. Most of the ammo you find at your local store are standard pressure rounds or cowboy loads that would not be a good choice for dangerous game. There are a lot of colt single action and their clones out there that would blow up if they fired a +P round. Most 45 colt +p will match a 44 magnum and a few will just simply outclass a 44 magnum, but there are not many guns that can handle that. That's why those +p boxes will say Ruger only ammo with other warnings. I use a Henry Lever action in 45 colt, loaded with buffalo bore deer grenades turns it into a poor mans 45-70.
ill stick too a 10mm or 460 rowland, heck even a hot guerilla load 45 super any day over 45 colt, 45 colt is cool not knocking it or 44 mag, but the 3 calibers i named hold more rounds in the mag and have saved my life out in the bush from the mountains of pennsylvania to the tip of alaska......
44mag vs 45lc is not a real big comparison. 44 mag is significantly better. 45lc does have pretty good penetration because lack of expansion. 44mag just does some serious work. I would throw out that crono. I doubt any of the readings were correct.
Except that is not even the case anymore. There are a few companies that have put out firearms that are just as strong, if not stronger than the Rugers. Don't get me wrong, I love Rugers (laying here with my newly acquired rare 3 screw super blackhawk currently). Just saying that my BFR is a stronger gun.
@Catgat37 I agree, I'm a Ruger fan also. But when I Read the warning on the Buffalo bore website. I decided not to tempt fate and use them in a S&W pistol.
Also take in consideration of reloading hoter amo .we use 10grains max of unk. With a 230 hard ball bullet holy cow man .thanks but yeah you need better equipment thank Chuck interesting.
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I am surprised at the 44 numbers, was expecting higher. I have been shooting the 454 for 28 yrs, my numbers depending on bullet wt 1650 to 2030. I have not studied 44 numbers. Surprising.
You can’t compare the heavier loads in a Smith & Wesson bc as you saw the cylinder isn’t long enough and the 625 models aren’t strong enough! I love my S&Ws but you need to go with a Ruger or Freedom Arms etc. The .44 Magnum will have higher BC with the same wt bullet in .45 LC but the .45 being the larger caliber can shoot a heavier bullet !
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As Billy Dee Williams said - “Colt 45, works every time.”
Way too many people think the .45 Colt is weak but out of the right gun it's an absolute monster so this didn't surprise me a bit.
Even standard 45 Colt offerings are more than enough for human defense.
I hand load 45 colt for my ruger 5.5" super blackhawk bisley. 300g cast with a full case of H110. A total beast. Probably would stop a charging Buick!
Depends on the 45lc load. The + P loads are very formidable
No, it's mostly trash. You have to buy one company's product if you want respectable power. Just one. Everything else is weaker thab 45 auto
@@camojoe83 "Just one" sounds like an absolute statement. I assume you think that the just one has a couple of B letters. Jokes on you, there is definitely more than 1.
It should be noted that there are also .45 Long Colt +P rounds that supposedly are capable of matching .44 Magnum ballistics and can do so at a lower chamber pressure due to the slightly larger diameter pf the .45 Long Colt.
The model 69 is my favorite concealed carry for wildlife threats. It gets more use than my Toklat. Glad to see one make it on the channel. I think it as mainly a .44 special with magnum possibilities in a pinch. I carry the Buffalo Bore lower recoil 240 grain solids in it when carrying in the woods.
Good description, I agree!
I consider my hands to be significantly more resilient than average hands. With that said, the 325 grain .45 LC Buffalo bore has a nasty bite to it coming out of a little judge. I have a much quicker recovery time for my second shot with 300 grains. In a bear situation, I’d be more concerned about having a couple grade A shots than a solitary A+.
There are many positive attributes with the 45 Colt. The problems are numerous as well. If you try hard the 45 Colt can match the 44. But with the 44 mag you don’t have to. The ammo selection for the 44 is overwhelming. BB, Garrett, and others make remarkable and powerful loads for the 44 with both regular and long chamber lengths. The long chamber magnums fit in the Red Hawk, Super Red Hawk, Dan Wesson, 445 Super Mag, etc. and they are very stout. If you are stuck on the 45 Colt and Handload, that’s great. If not, the 44 is far more versatile and practical with many factory loads from 44 Russian, 44 Special, and 44 Magnums. Truly from mild to wild. Thanks for the video.
I have both and I agree. And I love reloading .45 Colt +P's. Also .44 mag. But if I had to make a recommendation to someone, I'd say if you reload yeah, go with .45, but if you have to rely on commercial ammo, get .44 mag.
I’m reasonably certain that Buffalo Bore says not to use that .44 mag +p+ in and Smith and Wesson revolvers. That being said, they and others load 300-305 grain hardcast loads that should work just fine. I picked up a box of HSM bear loads in .44 mag 305 grain hardcast specifically because they would fit in my S&W 69 with 2.75” barrel.
You're correct, apparently Chuke didn't read the box or look at the website. Fortunately for him BB made an OAL that wouldn't fit S&W cylinders or this video could have ended badly.
Straight off the BB website:
_We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. _*_The answer is NO._*
Good thing it wouldn't fit in that 69. Would have probably ruptured it.
45 Colt is King
Thank you for the proper terminology!!!
Its not that powerful.
@@USNVET81Yup, 45 Long Colt is pretty cool
Not off the shelf it's not.
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I had the same issue with the LabRadar, but later read that a berm or backstop needs to be at least 25 meters away. Great video by the way.
I bought my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt in 92' for $240 ish. It is converted to a Super configuration now and I follow the John Linebaugh loadings. My heavy load is 23 gr. H110 under a 320gr Lee LFN
I have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 LC you can hand load some pretty hot rounds but the life of the brass is short Love the gun we’ve had many outdoor adventures 👍😁
Ruger has been known to over-size the chambers in .45 Colt. Leads to excessive brass stretching.
I have that exact buffalo bore ammo for my 45 blackhawk. It turns that revovler into a freaking monster!
Dam straight it does!!
Exactly.
My words exactly!!!!
Those readings off for sure, both extremely good options
Agreed 👍
Chuke has learned enough not to include obviously false numbers when he does velocity testing. I was happy to see when he got a reading of 440 fps he knew it was a bad reading. Good job. I know those doppler chronos can be tought to get set up... but you definitely wont accidently shoot it so thats a big plus! Great video.
Hey Chuke, 45 LC seems to be very powerful and versitile. I like the look of the large frame SW revolvers in 460 that of course take 454 and 45 LC as well. Only thing is that weapon system might be a tad heavy. Thanks for the good work that goes into this video 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Chuke, thanks for doing this as the .45 Colt is often overlooked especially 265 gr and 335 gr hardcast +P ammo. My Ruger Blackhawk kicked with that Grizzly 265 gr WFNGC +P, but then back on target. Never got to the 335 gr +P. And yes need to find some hardcast .44 Mag +P or higher. I just watched LWRoad who has a Ruger Redhawk and those have longer cylinders. He also had a problem with his chronograph, but a different reason and felt bad for him about 4 months ago. Look forward to the next one Chuke! Thanks.
Thank you for the video. There is a reason that Smith and Wesson will not accommodate the Buffalo Bore +P ammo. I bought the 340gr +P+ for a trip we took to Montana. Buffalo Bore warns against using their ammo in Smith and Wesson revolvers. The frames will stretch resulting in a voided warranty and eventually to serious personal injury. If you want to shoot ammo that powerful, you will have to upgrade to a Ruger Super Blackhawk, Redhawk, or a Taurus.
I have the Taurus Tracker .44 magnum and it is definitely not designed for hot loads. Manual states to use only standard loads. I just get creative with bullet selection
Not all Taurus firearms. I think it’s just the raging hunter, but don’t hold me to it
@@willm5028 I believe you are correct.
Chuke, I have seen other chronograph tests conducted and several of the shooters stated that when they were too close to the chronograph, especially with short barrels, they got erratic and no readings.
Ah yeah, probably what happened here, thank you!
With the Lab Radar, the microwave beam is quite narrow. You need to align it with your target and keep your boolitz in the beam for it to work. Jerry
It’s amazing that you have access to such a wide variety of ammunition. Stores in this red state have very few revolver rounds. Nothing in .45 Colt except an occasional Governor/Judge load.
Oh man!!
25.5 of 110 and 265g C-P flatnose though a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley 5.5" bbl 45 Colt will go stem to stern through a big whitetail buck and keep going. Very impressive round when turned up but versatile for about anything when at normal velocities.
Weight of the revolver makes recoil more tolerable if it is heavy enough.
.45 Colt loaded to the 23,000 psi is still pretty formidable.
I’ve found that the barrel/cylinder gap has to be in front of the LabRadar to get accurate readings.
I'm starting to get some holster wear on my 329 PD. I should get a new paint and coating on it
I have a Ruger RedHawk with a 4.2 inch barrel in 45 Colt. That thing is a +P slinging machine.
Same here. Mine is the earlier 4.2 inch barrel model (with the square butt handle, pigged in front sight, and cylinder chambered only for the 45 Long Colt instead of the 45 LC and 45 ACP). The only +P ammo I shoot out of it is my handloaded rounds. My favorite +P handload consists of a 250 grain Hornady XTP HP bullet, 27.5 grains of H110 powder, Starline brass cases, and CCI 300 large pistol primers. It has average velocity of 1,338 f.p.s. +/- 34 f.p.s. and my revolver can consistently print a 6 shot group about 1 to 1.5 inches on a target 50 foot away with this round.
I have a Ruger Redhawk 4.2” barrel. I bought some 300 gr JSP loads from Buffalo Bore to try in it. The bullets velocity measured 1,310 fps when measured across my own chrono. That equates to 1,143 ft-lbs muzzle energy!
Max Prasac wrote a great book called the Gun Digest Book of Hunting Revolvers. In it he pits the 44 magnum against the 45 Colt. Craig Copeland did one test and an Independent Lab did the other. In both the 44 magnum out penetrated the 45 Colt. But it was closer with the Craig Copeland test. The 44 magnum still beat the 45 Colt in penetration.
Would have to know the exact setup that was compared. Only fair test would be identical bullet constructions, identical length test barrels, identical revolver make/model, and both cartridges loaded to full potential.
@@exothermal.sprocket the guns were identical and customized to be such. The loads were all tested for both to ensure no load would be unfairly judged against any other. Purchase Max Prasac’s book and read for yourself. It is worth your time.
@@jeffreylocke8808 Ballistics between calibers is a matter of bullet sectional density, velocity, and construction. It wouldn't take much for .45 Colt to out-penetrate .44mag.
For example, a 300gr .44 is exactly equivalent to 335gr .45. Given the same velocity and same bullet design, they would penetrate the same.
@@exothermal.sprocketI follow your logic but Craig Copeland did the most extensive test and documented it in Max Prasac’s Handgun Hunting Revolvers Gun Digest Book.
I've been waiting for someone to do a comparison of the 44 Magnum and the 45 Long Colt for bear protection because I know several people that carry each of those calibers and I love both of those calibers but I lean more towards the 45 Long Colt for bear protection
I wonder how close that hot 45 lc is to a typical 454? Both are great cartridges!
Poppin! Absolutely! I might have to compare the 2!
My hot 45colt loads are the same as the starting load data for the 454 with same bullet and powder
Maybe, think about handloading. I've cast up a fair bit of wide flat nose 41, 44 mag and 45 Colt. Most of those revolvers have gone down the road now for me, but you could end up with a good bit more meaningful shooting.
Load them down just a bit, and everything lasts way longer. But, I'd bet the penetration won't show any meaningful drop off. If you keep feeding that L-frame 44, plus P loads, there's a fair chance you'll get the cylinder to bind here and there, maybe speaking to a bit of caution, about some people assuming revolvers have the default reliability edge. Thanks for the video.
That looked close enough that I don’t think the bear would know the difference.
had a ruger redhawk in .45 colt found some 360grn hardcast slugs than loaded over 18~21 grns of H110 rifle powder. double tap offered loaded cartridges with 360 grn hardcasts. never did a crony test books numbers give between 1100~1200fps
Sounds like a beast load!!
Chuke, consider yourself lucky that ammo didn't fit your S&W because it's very possible you wouldn't have a gun left after shooting it and some gnarly medical bills. It specifically says on the website and on the box that you should NEVER shoot them in a S&W.
Only becuase ruger makes a longer cylinder has nothing to do with strength... smiths are forged steel you wont hurt them...
@@sparky_-mf2cs there's a very good reason why Buffalo Bore lists the guns this ammo is safe for and specifically points out that S&W's are NOT strong enough to handle this ammo. There's a big strength difference between S&W .44 magnums and other manufacturers. It has nothing to do with cylinder length other than I suspect that Tim at Buffalo Bore created an OAL too long for the S&W to keep people who don't read the small print from destroying their guns and injuring themselves. You can go read all the info on the BB website if you like.
@brandiwynter it has everything to do with cylinder length...and forged is stronger than cast and both firearms(ruger nd smith ) are rated for the same pressures...rugers arent made of some magical steel stronger than a smith...
@brandiwynter you really think a taurus is stronger than a smith?...nowere on the website does it say a smith isnt strong enough all it saidnit which firearms you can use
@@sparky_-mf2cs go look at the load that Chuke tried to use on the BB website and click "more info" and you'll find it all explained. And yes, while the S&W is a far nicer gun than the Taurus, it is most definitely weaker.
Another excellent video!! On a side note: Wondering about the recoil if you shot 454 Casull rnds out your Taurus revolver? To me it seems the 45 Colt was stout much less than the 454 Casull, just a thought?
Apples and oranges. Now if it were two 4” 629’s and a 625…..😊
Chuke Zombie coating is awesome! I have 2 Super Redhawk Alaskans 44 and 454 Casull. The Smith Combat 44mag looks really really nice. The heavy powerful 45LC is no joke in Taurus.
Time for a Garmin Xero C1 perhaps, probably would pay for itself eventually in reduced ammo cost given how much you have to repeat shots. Plus a lot less frustration which is worth the expense for me.
Great video chukes
You will get lower velocities with the Taurus Judge when shooting those 45 Colts. The added free bore in that elongated cylinder will reduce velocities. You would get higher readings out a revolver chambered exclusively in a 45 Colt.
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Good comparison. Might have been a good idea to nention that 45 Colt +p is only safe for full size Rugers, Freedom Arms, etc, and NOT for S&W N frames or the Judge. 1200 fps sounds good for a 265 gr 44 Mag load, esp a copper one. The bullet length may intrude into the powder space. Might ve i teredting to test a standard 45 hard cast load (pretty sure they are 255 gr, or maybe a 265 gr Keith SWC) to see how they do. A noderate celocity heavy bulket usually penetrates well. That is the logic behind the Skeeter loads in 44 Spl (usually a 250 gr SWC at 950-1000 fps, at standard pressures). A standard 45 will be slightly slower (14,400 CUP max, iirc). Even the +p 45 Colt is something like 25,000 CUP, which is well below SAAMI pressure for 44 Mag. Helps to be able to handload, of course. You could load a good 44 round with a 240 or 250 gr cast bullet to 1000 or 1100 fps and save yourself a little recoil in the fairly light S&W 69. Cast bullets seem to do well in that velocity range anyway, and probably don't need gas checks. Anyway, just some thoughts. I dearly love the 45, but my only DA one is a 25 Mountain Gun (blued, even). So i would be limited to standard pressure ammo. I don't have a DA 44 either. I like the idea of the 69, or the 2.75" Redhawk (which is a little heavier, and needs diff grips). I know an L frame carries well. My fave handgun is a 4" 686, also the first handgun i ever bought. I very well might use it with 180 gr cast loads. I don't own a 10mm yet, so it would probably be one of the revolvers.
The judge he is using is the raging judge which is 454 casull which means it is much much stronger.
I love that Zombie revolver........would be a good survival gun.
Those chrono readings were definitely incorrect. The velocities were way too low and standard deviations were way too high for Buffalo Bore ammo. Unfortunately turned out to be a waste of ammo, which hurts at the price of BB ammo.
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Both used correctly in correct guns
Your stories about Alaska remind me a little of the old Maine used to look like, minus the big bears.
Interesting!!
Maines been hacked to Hell now by loggers
Apples and oranges guys. If you don’t roll your own, you are not getting the most of any cartridge.
Heaviest cast bullets both will hold (45 will always be more) with the most powder possible (safely) the 45 LC will always win due to case capacity. S&W standard revolvers are not built to handle the real heavy loads. The .460 & .500 X frames are a different story.
I developed loads for my 460V that rivaled standard 45/70 loads from my 18” Marlin…..safely!
I really don’t understand why those that live and recreate in bear country don’t carry the .500 S&W.
500 is a bit difficult to get follow up shots. I think that a trapper model 44 levergun would be a better choice than even a revolver.
Because you might as well have a rifle. The X frames are not really a packable gun
@@Catgat37
My S&W 460V is definitely packable, I have many times. A Guides Choice from Diamond D holsters or better yet the chest rig from Gunfighter work very well. After 10-20 minutes you forget you are wearing it. Then again I’m 6’4” 230lbs.
Truth be told you need to be comfortable with your decision. Bear attacks are all over the place as far as how they happen. I’m new to Wyoming but have heard a few stories. Two second hand as was told to a relative from the ones attacked. Both had their faces chewed up from Grizzly’s that had zero warning. I was told “chewed off”.
The story of three hunters opening up and killing a Grizzly I would imagine his very, very rare.
You do you.
You can get it hot with a 45LC and with a 300+ grain hardcast it's going to do business on whatever it hits. I think the 44 Mag with a 240-265 grain hardcast or solid will do about the same damage. That said I still want a big rifle for a Grizz
Revolvers because just about everybody can figure out how to use. I had thought about the 45/410 pistols and revolver rifle. We shot a lot of 410 000 shot. My wife's preferred defense round.
Good stuff, do you have any experience with usin winchester 92s in 45 colt? Im lookin for a good heavy cartridge that will feed in one to hunt with. I have only ran 200 to 255 grain stuff through it but would like something heavier mabey. Ive never tested anything heavier because if it doesnt feed in a 92 its probably not even safe for my other 45 colts 😂.
Been gone for awhile. Big lead just works. On anything. Good show!
Thank you sir!
.45 colt is best revolver round in my opinion. The issue is they dont make many revolvers for it. A medium frame stainless 5 shot revolver with a 3in barrel is what is needed.
Absolutely!
I have a Taurus Judge (standard) with a six inch barrel. It’s a great shooter but I’m not sure about using +P in it. Got it at a gun show and it didn’t come with a manual
Thanks for the video
What I am really curious about is the potential of the 357 Magtum....yes....you read that correctly....Magtum
Thats why Buffalo Bore 340gr +P+ says not for Smith and Wesson on the box. It has nothing to do with the strength of the gun, its because the cylinder is too short, Ruger has a longer cylinder than Smith and Wesson.
I want to see you test a .45 Short Colt.
That taurus is pretty nice.
I always thought heavy .45Colt in a strong revolver would be a good choice. You can see that 300+ grain projectiles are hard to stop. The only thing better might be proper ammunition in a .480 Ruger revolver. Where the revolvers might fall short is in recovery and followup shots, plus a revolver strong enough for such ammunition is going to be pretty heavy to carry, the exception being the S&W 329. I honestly don't know if slower shots of a more effective cartridge is better than faster shots of a less effective cartridge. I think the user should determine which one they can most effectively carry and shoot.
I've always felt the power of big bores makes up for the fact that follow-up shots are slower
@@user-ex9zm7bg3x I'm on the fence but I think the answer is different for different people. A person who can remain cool could do better with a single larger caliber round, other people might need to fire more than one round. If possible a person should do the comparison tests for themself.
I need more info on this idea of two 44 mag chamber sizes.
They just made the cylinder too small so it couldn’t take the larger 44 cartridges. :(
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures 👍cool beans. I finally put a couple few rounds through my NIB S&W 29. It's been waiting since the 80s to smell smoke. I don't want to blow it up now.
That 45 looks good from the Toklat , I would never shoot that 44 ammo in that revolver ! Or any S&W .
Agreed u want a ruger with ruger loads !
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I can't believe you made that MISTAKE Chuke ---- it tells you right on Buffalo Bore's website the 340+P+ is NOT for use in any S&W. They CAN NOT safely handle that much power. They calculate to about 1600 Footpounds at the muzzle, which is "lower" 454 Casul power level.
Time to re-read the instructions.....
Tools and Targets use one all the time without issues
If you have a gun and wrists that can tolerate it, the 45 colt can be loaded to consistently outperform the 44 mag. It’s no slouch. However, the options in terms of revolvers that can handle that are slim when compared to those of the 44 mag. In terms of handguns I think the 45 colt is best suited to be a 41 mag and 10mm auto, up to standard pressure 44 mag competitor, with the option to put in cowboy loads to introduce new shooters to the platform. And if you’re a reloader, it uses the same diameter projectiles as 45 ACP, which is a win if you’re a 45 guy. Both 44 mag and 45 LC have good rifle options too. Given its versatility, I pick the 45 LC.
You need to get your chronograph fixed or get a new one. I am shooting Underwood 45 Colt +P 250 grain at 1400 fps. I carry it in a Ruger Blackhawk and a lever action Henry 45 LC with a 20 inch barrel. I would like to see the comparison with hard cast and similar weight rounds. I look forward to seeing the future video. Thanks for all your work and time.
The 340gr +p+ loads are NOT supposed to be used in a smith and wesson revolver.
LOL... so now the cast rounds I have been making since the 70's are considered state of the art? Not only that but I have been coating rounds with HT for years before these $2 a round fancy ammo things came out... but... mine cost more like $5 A BOX
What kind of chrono is that? I don’t want to buy that brand.
Lab Radar, and yes it’s very finicky 😭
45 Colt has almost unreal potential - 45 Auto ain't bad (255 hard cast) is pretty potent. Love the test!! Oh, that Taurus is SICK!! I would love to get one just like it!!!
Garrett Cartridges have a few .45 Colt offerings:
365gr @ 1250 fps 7.5-inch Blackhawk
405gr @ 1250 fps 7.5-inch Blackhawk
Buffalo Bore:
260gr @ 1450 fps
300gr @ 1325 fps
325gr @ 1325 fps
@@exothermal.sprocket that's some strong medicine!
@@mattspriggs5945 No doubt about it. .45 Colt benefits from modern powders and firearm strength. Originally in the black powder era it was designed to down cavalry horses (as in during battle) with 255gr @ 1050 fps. These days it can do far greater than that (even if unnecessary).
@@exothermal.sprocket @lifted_above largely why I can't understand why people hate on the 45 ACP. It has quite a bit of overlap with the 45 Colt until you get into the crazy stuff as mentioned in 45 Colt.
So, if those big bullets at nominal velocities worked so well in the past, what has changed?
@@mattspriggs5945 Marketing, followed by the firearms user's reliance on marketing, and the firearms being built and designed on that marketing.
Distilling 150 years of firearms and ammunition, someone who discerns patterns might be able to see that from the turn of the 20th century until today, the trend has been going from large calibers to smaller calibers and from non-expanding blunt projectiles to expanding sleek projectiles. The older projectiles relied on penetration and crushing tissue to get the job done. The newer projectiles rely heavily on velocity, in order to expand, in order to destroy tissue with adequate penetration.
Really, the older projectiles were much more reliable as a whole because all the millions of dollars in R&D in terms of aerodynamics, radar, high performance gun steels that can handle much higher pressures, crazy amounts of time and effort into developing every last detail about a cartridge to control high velocity and stability...... the whole thing dissolves down into three goals:
Distance (longer and longer reach).
Flight shape (minimizing error).
Velocity maximizing (small calibers are lousy killers unless they expand, and by expansion you need speed and all the other fancy design built in).
Everything else was developed out of these desires.
And when you think about it much of that has been military capability increases, and some of that has been hunting long ranges, because hunting/stalking skills have been on a giant decline due to people lifestyle and animal habitat changes.
So when people come into the market as relatively young learners, they are bombarded with modern marketing messaging, much of it totally ignores the tried and true older style of doing things and by subtle messaging, implies that "antiquated = ineffective" (total lie).
Much of it ignores the basic things necessary to stop a mammal, which are adequate penetration to vitals, and crushing/hemorrhaging tissues. Simple as that. The old style ammunition terminal function was far more reliable in general accomplishing these goals. When you reduce calibers and increase velocities, you run into a massive host of challenges requiring tons of R&D to make them reliable and functional.
People forget that 9x19 Parabellum is an OLDER cartridge historically than .45acp. Also, ever notice how the smaller bore higher velocity emphasis is by far the more prevalent "noise" spoken by today's crowd? And they don't seem to mind that a much higher magazine capacity is often required with such things?
There is a phenomenon in terminal ballistics that has to do with shockwaves. Seems this is what favors .357 Magnum as being so effective as a manstopper. This shockwave inherent in a fast projectile seems to cause hydraulic effects on living organism that shocks blood pressure, brain function, and has other physiological effects. All of this is beyond simple mechanical destruction that I've been talking about above. 9mm is really incapable of producing this effect at the common velocities it makes. .357 magnum however does, but it wasn't primarily designed for that side effect but rather to defeat hard barriers back in the 1930's, such as car doors and auto glass.
The angles your shooting at your chrono are wrong. Thats why its erroring. .. set it up correctly and it works every time
No way a 45 long colt beats a 44 mag!
What you mean "no way" there are plenty of factory 45 colt loads that rival 44 mag ballistics. 45 Colt has a ton of potential when you start reloading it.
True you can do this with many calibers, you can load a 38 special to rival a 357 mag in theory but, those are at the extreme! generally a 44 mag is much more powerful than a 45 LC!@@Catgat37
@@timdennebaum4498 yes...if we are talking standard factory ammo, 44 mag is far more powerful than 45 colt. But when you get into buffalo bore territory, 45 colt is a hell of a thumper. I don't necessarily advocate for one or another, I love them both.
A 45colt has a true 45cal bullet where a 44 dose not have a true 44 cal bullet. So bullet Dia wins
I just see the point in pushing a 45 colt to get 44 mag power, the guns and shell casings we not designed for that! If you want a 45 mag, just get a 454 Casull.@@jamespugh
When the 45 Colt was developed, the Army was looking for a pistol caliber. With the speed, mass and energy, to knock down a calvary horse.
In modern pistols the old Colt can put out more spank than a 44 magnum.
I do not believe I would trust a Taurus to bang with the hottest 45 Colt loads for an extended period of time. It is still a very capable caliber.
What’s your sensitivity setting set to on the lab radar?
A heavy 45 Colt load will more or less match a 44 mag. The problem is most 45 Colt revolvers, save for Ruger, Freedom Arms and perhaps a few others are not designed to and probably will not survive repeated firings of heavy 45 Colt loads.
not sure what the temp is for this video but I think it is only good down to 20 degrees F
44 powdered versus 45 long colt bullet do I really need a 44 magnum I don’t have $1000 man I get a 44 long colt with that polar bears bobcats cougars, etc. let me know please?
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Did it come with the mold.
Damn that chrono will bankrupt a guy trying to get numbers on the ammo
45 colt,looks like kicks to hard?
It's. 45 colt.. not long colt.. they never made a short colt..I was corrected by an old man and when I checked his story I think he was right.. love the video!
then what does the L.C. stand for?? there/the L.C. is engraved on some 45 colt revolvers as well as 45 colt ammo.
Oh boy. 🙄. We all know about the 45Colt proper "title" but if you dig a bit deeper. Just sayin' there's historic evidence for both stemming from 45 colt ammo being distributed to soldiers with 45 Schofield (45 colt short) on the frontier.
@@aaronwilcox6417yes...finally someone else knows this. Indeed, many Schofields were sent to troops with ammo that was just marked "45 cal". When soldiers tried to load it into their Schofields, it would not chamber. Therefore quartermasters started referring to 45 Colt as 45 Long Colt.
The .45 Schofield, was the real " short .45" ..that's why back in 1875 when the S& W SCHOFIELD made its debut, for a few years while it was being tested by the U.S.CALVARY the colt round was in fact labeled LONG COLT, to distinguish it from the shorter. 45 designed for the Schofield revolver! So the term .45 Long Colt is correct!
this isn't a fair comparison. he should of used a 4 to 6" barrel and a better gun the that taurus. 45 long colt is a super good caliber for bear protection as long as they are +p or hand loaded
Guessing the radar could have used a bit of a rotation tweak toward the target. Appears it was facing too far left to get consistent readings?
.45 Colt is a beast with the right ammo. Cowboy loads could kill more than people think, but they are fluffy compared to what it's capable of in a strong revolver. I'm a Blackhawk fan.
The 45LC is such an old round, I wouldn't have thought to use it. I would think 44 mag or 10mm
A 45 colt +p can be a dangerous round to use in the wrong gun.
Most of the ammo you find at your local store are standard pressure rounds or cowboy loads that would not be a good choice for dangerous game.
There are a lot of colt single action and their clones out there that would blow up if they fired a +P round.
Most 45 colt +p will match a 44 magnum and a few will just simply outclass a 44 magnum, but there are not many guns that can handle that.
That's why those +p boxes will say Ruger only ammo with other warnings.
I use a Henry Lever action in 45 colt, loaded with buffalo bore deer grenades turns it into a poor mans 45-70.
ill stick too a 10mm or 460 rowland, heck even a hot guerilla load 45 super any day over 45 colt, 45 colt is cool not knocking it or 44 mag, but the 3 calibers i named hold more rounds in the mag and have saved my life out in the bush from the mountains of pennsylvania to the tip of alaska......
44mag vs 45lc is not a real big comparison. 44 mag is significantly better. 45lc does have pretty good penetration because lack of expansion. 44mag just does some serious work. I would throw out that crono. I doubt any of the readings were correct.
You can load 45 colt to 44 mag and over
Now you know why Buffalo bore says on some of its boxes of ammo for Ruger pistols only.
Except that is not even the case anymore. There are a few companies that have put out firearms that are just as strong, if not stronger than the Rugers. Don't get me wrong, I love Rugers (laying here with my newly acquired rare 3 screw super blackhawk currently).
Just saying that my BFR is a stronger gun.
@Catgat37 I agree, I'm a Ruger fan also. But when I Read the warning on the Buffalo bore website. I decided not to tempt fate and use them in a S&W pistol.
@@backwoodscharlie8483 Pretty sure that Buffalo Bore states to not use in a S&W
What’s a long colt ? Is there a short colt ? Or a longest colt ? Is it like the 44 long mag ?
Used to be. Clear back in the 1870’s the L is no longer necessary, but technically valid.
This video actually told me nothing that I didn’t already know. He needs to get his equipment working better.
Doh!
If you're going to compare the Smith and Wesson in 44, use a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt. Make it fair.
+p on that 45 awesome firearm!
Also take in consideration of reloading hoter amo .we use 10grains max of unk. With a 230 hard ball bullet holy cow man .thanks but yeah you need better equipment thank Chuck interesting.
45 Colt Rocks!
It's just 45 Colt... Not long Colt!
Ah ok thanks for the clarification!
Get both calibers!
What I learned from the video is not to purchase a Lab chronograph.
Ya, there is a reason Mr Cassul started with it as a base...
But then again 475 linebough/ 480 Ruger was not invented yet.
What could have been????
Die long colt.hatt auch noch schwerere geschosse.mit der gleichen lauflänge.übertrifft sie bei meinen tests die 44mag.
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Magnum always
Magtum*
It looks like you need a new chronograph
Probably 😅
I am surprised at the 44 numbers, was expecting higher. I have been shooting the 454 for 28 yrs, my numbers depending on bullet wt 1650 to 2030.
I have not studied 44 numbers. Surprising.
You can’t compare the heavier loads in a Smith & Wesson bc as you saw the cylinder isn’t long enough and the 625 models aren’t strong enough! I love my S&Ws but you need to go with a Ruger or Freedom Arms etc. The .44 Magnum will have higher BC with the same wt bullet in .45 LC but the .45 being the larger caliber can shoot a heavier bullet !
Taurus chamber is a 410 and too long for complete ignition of the Colt rounds. Look that up Pucke