Thanks Techman 48917, oil is sooo important and sooooo often over looked in these situations. 10,000 mile oil change....who are they kidding? Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Keith! Thanks man! I hope you like it! I want your feedback. Anything you would have done different so far? I wanted this episode to be like the first 5/10 minutes of the diag. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hi Mike, i have a Ford escape 2013 Se, and i have the Code P0017 crankshaft position Camshaft position Correlation Bank 1 sensor B I have replaced the Crankshaft and still have the code on
Hi Mike, so the motor is running, but not performing well, i did replace the crankshaft position sensor, and still the same thing, I did new oil change and nothing changed.
@@Shukura496 hi there. Just noticed your comment. You have to use an alignment tool when you install the crankshaft sensor on these vehicles and you also need to have a neutral missfire correction performed by a factory scan tool. You will have to take it to a dealer to have that done. I dont see them charging more then 1 hour for that
Hey Angel, hope you enjoy it! I had a really good time diagnosing, repairing, filming, and editing this one! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Samuel, are you talking about when I commanded the VVT solenoids with the scan tool and the motor almost died? Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
The second or 2 that I ran it that way will not cause any long term damage. If the VVT were to be stuck in that fully advanced position for a long period of time...then yes, the damage could be catastrophic. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Since i am no longer a "guessing" DIY mechanic, my Ancel X5 (which i never trusted it anyway) displayed this P0016 and got worried but also not surprised at all! Why not surprised? My engine needs a serious rebuild. When i replaced my Chrysler neon 2005 timing belt cover, i noticed its so greasy/oily around the camshaft seal, belt and tensioner. I knew though, that my oil pan underneath has been greasy past two years. So, don't you think the oil leak around my camshaft seal might interfere my timing belt rotation?
Hey Keith, if the oil caused the belt to jump, sure. But I don't see how oil could cause the code to set just because it's oily. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Hi Mike. My suspicion is that, there is some camshaft and pulley misalignment right there. But anyway, i will see the outcome once i change change the leaking gasket and seals.
Would I be right in assuming that you did not visually check for a failed VVT after you lifted off the intake manifold, because there was not the second "P000B ... Slow Response" DTC? Dirty oil gunk on and/or broken screen on the oil control valve would result in a rough idle which you said you did not detect while driving it.
Hey, it wouldn't have been a bad idea to take a look. In one video in the series I show why it can't be VVT related. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hey, Guys. I am dealing with a p0016 and p0018 on a 2004 Toyota Sienna. When I activated the VVT sensors, bank 1 stumbles and stalls, but bank 2 stumbles and goes back to normal with minor changes. My guess is that the VVT 2 sensor is not working right. I don't know enough to say than the VVT Controller is not advancing the cam timing. How would you go about that?
Hello, I believe that is a timing belt motor. Has the timing belt ever been replaced? I would check the belt timing, you don't have to do too much to check the cam timing. ~Ryan
@@GoTechTraining Thank you for answering. Yes, it is a timing belt motor. I have not checked the cam timing, but the belt seems to be tight. I did check engine vacuum, and it is in the normal range. Could you have good engine vacuum and bad cam timing?
Yes, the cam/crank correlation has tight tolerances and could be off enough to set the code without throwing the vacuum off to far. You can check the timing by removing the two top timing belt covers. It is a quick easy check to make sure your base timing is good
@@GoTechTraining The timing belt is loose to the point that the crank and cams don't move and will be replaced. Vehicle cranks, but does not start. 25% compression on the 3 cylinders that I can get to. I learned that good engine vacuum does not always mean healthy engine. Thank you for your guidance, Ryan.
I have a 2004 chevrolet trailblazer has codes p0016 and c0055 and c0040 car will go forward but won't go in reverse will this cause the car to not drive in reverse
Hey Leonard, the P0016 is related to engine timing. The trans is responsible for forward and reverse so as long as the engine is running, both gears should be possible. The other 2 codes are wheel speed sensor related and won't cause transmission issues either. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I have this exact problem with my 2008 Chevrolet Impala. I was told it was the module, how much would labor cost to replace a module and how much is a module itself?
I just installed a timing chain tensioner on my 1.8 liter 2011 Toyota Corolla and afterwards it threw this code. I rotated the crank clockwise after installing the chain tensioner. The car runs and drives like it always has, but the engine light and slip indicator light is on now and won’t go off. At advanced auto it threw p0016. Hopefully you can help
Tyler that codes is saying there's a correlation issue. It's possible you are one tooth out of time maybe. Enough to code but not enough to notice a drivability issue. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
NGK Technical Training I’m thinking that’s the problem as well. Is it hard to set it back to the right time? And do you have a video on how to check if your timing chain is out of time?
Great idea for a series! On my old Mazdas there are virtually no bi-directional controls on the OTC Encore. To activate the OCV I just give it 12v for a second or two. Thanks Mike!
John, just verify with a diagram first, see if it's power or ground side controlled.Then just simulate the control. Quick and dirty bi-directional testing! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
It is one of theirs towards the top. I know they also offer a something along the lines of the LaunchPro as well. Not sure. Best bet would to be their website for the most accurate info. launchtechusa.com/ Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Rohan, we use the Snap-On Verus Edge, Launch Torque, and Autel Maxisys. The best tool will always be the OE tool for that car...the alternative is to have many aftermarket tools. There is no one aftermarket tool that can do everything. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hey Shehab, sure, diagnose why it's setting the code. Could be something simple such as low oil or a faulty VVT solenoid...or it could be complex, like the timing chain stretching or jumping... Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I’ve always been hesitant on activating VVT with the engine running at idle for fear of valves hitting pistons because that’s not when it’s intended to be activated. Is this unrealistic for me to think?
I just watched a Saturn video that would run poorly above 3000 rpm. He ended up having to relearn the cam/crank correlation! What would cause a car to change its correlation by itself and make you relearn it? Thanks, Tom
Hey Tom, hmm great question. The quick answer would be "nothing". The PCM holds the correlation adjustment unless the battery and capacitors were drained(some vehicles may still store even after this point), a new part was installed that effects cam/crank, or the memory was cleared with a scanner. I feel like maybe that video wasn't telling you the entire story? Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I have question.On scan data ,Is "aim angle" the demanded change and "change angle" the actual angle read by cam sensor/ecu. So if controlling the duty cycle the "change angle" value must follow "aim angle" immediately after.If it's not changing then there's problem with the VVT variator.
Hey Petar, yeh that is true. Typically there will be a slight variance spec dependent on manufacturer between aim (desired) and change (actual) positions. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Had a P0014 and replacing the oil control solenoid along with oil change fixed the only code. Problem is this did not fix the Envoy stall on slight acceleration. This can be an expensive problem for the shop. I should have went with my instinct on this car, since it felt like a bad TPS. Looks like a bad pedal position sensor or electronic throttle body assembly 😳
Sometimes an oil change and a new VVT solenoid are all they need...that's not that case with this one :) Envoys are common for throttle body issues. Sometimes cleaning the throttle body and doing a quickie relearn takes care of it. Maybe try that? Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I am currently working on a P0016 corelation code on a Ford edge 2014. I tried using the scan tool (actuation test) to activate the VCT solenoid as you did but it wouldnt turn on. I used a multimeter to test for voltage the VCT solenoid wire harness side but no volt. Pls is there any further test I can do and what conclusion can I draw from the above test conditions
(why would only Bank 1 be throwing codes in this scenario) Sir I took my 08 CTS in for inspection check engine light was on Garage says they think the reluctor wheel has shifted throwing the code. If I don't do anything what do you predict the longevity to be (they said the repair would be quite pricey or more feasible to do an engine swap) Thoughts 🤔(I had the timing chain, tensioners and guides replaced 3 years ago)
Hey, could be a timing issue maybe? P0016 is a cam/crank correlation fault. Follow the rest of this series and you should have a pretty good idea what goes into diagnosis and repair of this issue. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Timing can jump due to a few factors. Commonly it is because of mechanical wear. Such as bad guides, or a tensioner. Enough stretch in a chain can make it jump too! Great question! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
My 2013 Evoque shows p0016, can the damage VCT actuator cause it ? On full throttle if I hold it long enough I also get turbo underboost. Need help! :/
Sounds expensive Samuel. Maybe an VCT solenoid...start by making sure the engine oil is clean, full, and the right viscosity. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I run my 2008 Mazda cx9 low oil and water. I added more oil and water while I was traveling. Everything was normal until I changed the oil and filter. The check engine light turned on the same day. the code is P0016. what do you recomend?
Jen, great question! A 2 trip failure means that it must fail 2 consecutive drive cycles in order to set a trouble code/check engine light. A single trip failure would be setting a code on the first failed test. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi make I have a question,i am trying to replace the coolant sensor in my 4.0 4runner,but is kinda tight back there,there's a hose going in to where the injectors are connected that is blocking me from taking that sensor out,Just wondering how can i disconnect that hose? i don't want to mess it up.Thanks.
Hey Ivan, unfortunately I don't know exactly what hose you're talking about. The pictures in service info are terrible. I can tell you that book time to replace this sensor is 1.1 hours. So maybe something needs to get taken off to access it? Sorry, wish I could be of more help for you! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
hello thanks for the vid, i have a 06 e550 amg sportpack, i have the check engine coming up , but it makes no differance to how the car runs it still drives perfact never missed a beat i can drive 4 hours non stop and never have a problem with the car still showing check engine! would you think it could still be the balancer ? or maybe a sensor ? im looking for some help im hoping you could advise me what you think i would really appreciate your reply kindest regards.
Hey Billy, there are certain conditions where the check engine light comes on with 0 drivability concerns. The light illuminates when the car is creating 1.5x it's rated amount of emissions, not when the car is running poorly. Let's start out with the trouble code number that is stored in the computer. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I'm getting code 0016 and when i checked the oil, it was way low and very black. I changed, drove for about 20 kim and no engine light. When I started it again, the engine light came one and I have code P0016 still. I also have a permanent code P0089 but I'm not sure if its related. Thanks for the video.
So what if this is actually an intermittent issue. I have Had my engine light turn itself off (getting same code p0016) after being on for a while. I have litterally watched it turn off. Though it's on more often than not.
@@GoTechTraining so I had it checked out by toyota, they took the valve covers off and the engine was still in time. They say all sensors and vvt valves and the ctrollers are all working as they should be. To say the least they say the are stumped lol. Oh well at least the engine is running as it should.
I’m definitely late for when this video was posted, but I’m having the same code on my car. I’ve changed the cam sensor and it did make the code go away and let the car run like normal again for a few weeks, but then it came back. Biggest things it’s doing to my engine is making it mildly jumpy at idle, even though it stays between 740-780 rpms, and it likes to hesitate when moving from a stop sometimes. Otherwise, it runs just fine. If I clear the code while driving, it stays off, and only reappears when I turn the car off and back on again. I’m wondering if perhaps (since I did replace the motor a few months ago) if the ECU needs to be recalibrated to the mechanical timing of the motor? I had the new motor get a fresh timing kit with it before it was installed too.
Hey Mike. Thanks for the video. I'm getting this code + p0017 on a Ford Focus mk2, which gives a significant loss of power. Had timing checked and is in place. It kind of clears when I switch car off and on; back comes back. You have any idea what else it could be? Thanks in advance.
Hey Haadi, thanks!!! What year Focus? A P0017 could sometimes be caused by VVT related issues or sprocket issues. Let's start with a year on here and go from there. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Wells Vehicle Electronics thanks for the reply, it's a 55 reg (2006) 1.6 Ti-vct engine. The p0016 and p0017 come on, there's too much power loss. I've had the cam sensors changed too.
Haadi, unfortunatley in the US we only have the 2.0L. I'm not sure the exact codes set criteria for the P0016 and P0017 on that 16L. Could be a variable valve timing issue maybe? Maybe the reluctor on the cam or the crank moved? Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
yeah get a lot of p0016 codes. using scan tools you can clean cam phaser exhaust one exhaust two intake one and intake two. I believe the basically it back flushes the solenoid inside of the cam phaser to remove debris.
Haha we have had a lot of EVAP stuff lately haven't we?! Crazy how that works out sometimes! Well hopefully Tuesday and Wednesdays videos will help you for to find your issue on your Land Rover! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Gerardo, we do have a Map sensor video somewhere in the past. Here is the link! ruclips.net/video/piR8OnXIDZs/видео.html Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
i have this problems in my pontiac g6 2007 1.- P0014-00 Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank 1 2.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2 3.-P0014-00 Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank 1 4.- P0017-00 Crankshaft Position (CKP) - Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) 5.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2 the oil was changed and cleaned the gearbox was changed and a new module was purchased
Hey Mike, I'm looking forward to this one. Will you do a Crank Angle/Ignition test using a Relative Compression waveform? I'm going to ask a stupid question here, even though people do this test all the time, I don't get the validity. If it's a Crank signal triggered ignition, even if the valve timing is off, say, because of a stretched chain, the ignition firing line should still appear in the right place relative to the compression waveform?? Unless the peak compression point itself shifts because of valve overlap affects? If its a cam driven distributor-based ignition trigger, then a comparison with relative comp waveform should show an early or late firing line?? But only if signal is driven off the cam? Tell me if Im not making sense? Alex
Hey Alex, without giving anything away....yes there will be a relative compression test done. No it is not used to check ignition timing though. Like you've said, ignition timing is based off of what??? Crank angle...exactly. So ignition is kinda useless to look at in this case. If you have a cam driven pickup how would ignition be different? Is the cam not connected to the crank via a chain, if that chain were off, stretched, jumped, whatever...would the cam then not be off as well? This puts us in the same boat. I honestly don't see a time when ignition would be useful to judge timing. You'll see in tonight's video what I am using relative compression for. Stay tuned my friend :) Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Maybe, maybe not. The computer really has no way of knowing what oil is in the car. It would/could set a P0016 because the oil isn't doing what it's supposed to for the VVT system. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I have a 2013 Audi A5 1.8 TFSI and it started with first giving a slight misfire sometimes when car was stationary so I then serviced the car but still same issues. I then changed the ignition coils and spark plugs but yet again same problem so I then added some additive to the car engine before I turned it on and as soon I turned it the car started to misfire and shake a lot and would cut out and now it gives a code P0016. Can you tell me what it can be ?
Question, I reset the codes, but I get the error in about 6 miles. So, it’s not 2 trip in my case. Is that unusual? Same engine, same year, runs great. I changed my oil once and removed a dry filter. 2 summers ago the code was intermittent, now always on.
Interesting...Not exactly sure. Maybe there's a parameter that if it's read toooo far out then it can set the code on a single trip? Sounds like you have an oil flow issue though if you had a dry oil filter...not good! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi Mike, awesome videos. Super helpful and very well presented, you're a natural at this stuff. Question: How would temperature effect this code? I have an 08 4Runner V6 and I can control this code producing the CEL by simply choosing when to start and stop the engine, based on operating temp. Cold starts will always trip it, but if I drive several cycles while it's at operating temperature, the code will disappear until the next cold start. I can reliably predict the CEL just by cold vs hot starts. It seems several others on the forums experience the same thing. Any ideas or insight on temperature effects on the system? Cheers
Hey Rob. Thanks! Great question. Many times test will only run when the vehicle has been cold started. In the code set criteria for a P0016 Toyota states that the test is run once per drive cycle and the vehicle must also be idled for 5 minutes straight. It does not define a coolant temp for the "drive cycle" but generally speaking the vehicle would need to go through a warm-up in order to be considered a drive cycle. So yes, I would say temp has a factor is running the test, temp probably does not effect the actual fault. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Ok, thanks. I suspected that too. I hoped you might say that oil temp (and oil condition/contamination) might effect performance of the OCV applying pressure to the VVT, and therefore the VVT not advancing or retarding the timing appropriately (but only when the oil is cold and thick, therefore intermittent). It's weird, my CEL comes on 5-10 seconds after cold start up. Guess I'll have to understand the test conditions a little better. Thanks again.
Rob, I suggest you take a look at the videos that follow up. I proved out in the videos that the VVT system can not cause this code. The P0016 is for OVER retarded timing. VVT on this car can only advance the timing, meaning VVT can not force thing more retarded than the mechanical stop inside the cam. Like I said, check out the follow up episodes to this video. you wont be disappointed :) Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Oh, over retarding... got it. I did watch them all last night (and my wife thinks I'm weird for enjoying them so much, haha). I thought you proved it was not causing the code just on that particular vehicle, but I understand what you're saying now.
Took mine to the GMC dealer at Red Springs N.C. they could not find why check light is on. Ask if they tested any sensors said they had no way to do that. Ha Ha Ha so where do you go to get it fixed.
I have a questions on scan data iam Mohammed in Ethiopia when diagnosis in the problem p0016 current crankshaft position -camshaft position correlation (Bank1 sensor A)
Yeh Sure Jonathan, go ahead. Book time is almost 3 hours to do that. What if you're wrong? Who's paying you then? I diagnosed it with a "fancy scanner" in under and hour without removing anything that took time. Work smarter, not harder my friend. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
@@GoTechTrainingYou're right. I work on most of such problems too. What you've done is the correct sequence of diagnosing that problem. I'd prefer to carryout those tests first, before opening up the engine and all that.
All 3 parts of your series are very thorough but to the point. Very helpful and thanks for the diagrams on your site.
Thanks a ton Roberto!!! :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Nice Case Study Mike! I'll just kick up my feet and watch you diagnose it while I relax. P0016 can get interesting really fast.
Hey Bob, kick em up and enjoy! Thanks for watching!
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Great start and yes that's the first thing I check also is the oil. Can't wait for the rest
Thanks Techman 48917, oil is sooo important and sooooo often over looked in these situations. 10,000 mile oil change....who are they kidding?
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Alrighty ! Gonna be a great series I can see it already. Well done Mike.
Hey Keith! Thanks man! I hope you like it! I want your feedback. Anything you would have done different so far? I wanted this episode to be like the first 5/10 minutes of the diag.
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This is going to be great Mike, you're a great teacher 👨🏫 and that Launch seems good!
Hey Emmanuel! Thanks, it is a good tool! :)
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Hi Mike, i have a Ford escape 2013 Se, and i have the Code P0017 crankshaft position Camshaft position Correlation Bank 1 sensor B
I have replaced the Crankshaft and still have the code on
Hi Salina, have you verified that correlation between the cam and the crank? Is the motor in time?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi Mike, so the motor is running, but not performing well, i did replace the crankshaft position sensor, and still the same thing,
I did new oil change and nothing changed.
@@Shukura496 hi there. Just noticed your comment. You have to use an alignment tool when you install the crankshaft sensor on these vehicles and you also need to have a neutral missfire correction performed by a factory scan tool. You will have to take it to a dealer to have that done. I dont see them charging more then 1 hour for that
Great stuff! Looking forward to see what comes next! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Echologged! Stay tuned, you won't be disappointed!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Good Morning 🙏🌄 ✨ Mike Becker
Great tutorial thank you very much helpful video 👍
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Looking forward to the rest of this series! Thank you!
Hey Angel, hope you enjoy it! I had a really good time diagnosing, repairing, filming, and editing this one!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
When you pulled the code can anything break or damage? Since we heard the noise change.
Samuel, are you talking about when I commanded the VVT solenoids with the scan tool and the motor almost died?
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Wells Vehicle Electronics yes Sir...
The second or 2 that I ran it that way will not cause any long term damage. If the VVT were to be stuck in that fully advanced position for a long period of time...then yes, the damage could be catastrophic.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Wells Vehicle Electronics Wow Good to know thank you very much for your knowledge... Excellent teaching...
Can't wait for part 2...
Since i am no longer a "guessing" DIY mechanic, my Ancel X5 (which i never trusted it anyway) displayed this P0016 and got worried but also not surprised at all! Why not surprised? My engine needs a serious rebuild. When i replaced my Chrysler neon 2005 timing belt cover, i noticed its so greasy/oily around the camshaft seal, belt and tensioner. I knew though, that my oil pan underneath has been greasy past two years. So, don't you think the oil leak around my camshaft seal might interfere my timing belt rotation?
Hey Keith, if the oil caused the belt to jump, sure. But I don't see how oil could cause the code to set just because it's oily.
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@@GoTechTraining Hi Mike. My suspicion is that, there is some camshaft and pulley misalignment right there. But anyway, i will see the outcome once i change change the leaking gasket and seals.
Would I be right in assuming that you did not visually check for a failed VVT after you lifted off the intake manifold, because there was not the second "P000B ... Slow Response" DTC? Dirty oil gunk on and/or broken screen on the oil control valve would result in a rough idle which you said you did not detect while driving it.
Hey, it wouldn't have been a bad idea to take a look. In one video in the series I show why it can't be VVT related.
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@@GoTechTraining So if there had been a P000B DTC along with a P0016 DTC and only these two codes thrown, is it definitely a failed VVT or not?
Hey, Guys. I am dealing with a p0016 and p0018 on a 2004 Toyota Sienna. When I activated the VVT sensors, bank 1 stumbles and stalls, but bank 2 stumbles and goes back to normal with minor changes. My guess is that the VVT 2 sensor is not working right. I don't know enough to say than the VVT Controller is not advancing the cam timing. How would you go about that?
Hello,
I believe that is a timing belt motor. Has the timing belt ever been replaced? I would check the belt timing, you don't have to do too much to check the cam timing.
~Ryan
@@GoTechTraining Thank you for answering. Yes, it is a timing belt motor. I have not checked the cam timing, but the belt seems to be tight. I did check engine vacuum, and it is in the normal range. Could you have good engine vacuum and bad cam timing?
Yes, the cam/crank correlation has tight tolerances and could be off enough to set the code without throwing the vacuum off to far. You can check the timing by removing the two top timing belt covers. It is a quick easy check to make sure your base timing is good
@@GoTechTraining The timing belt is loose to the point that the crank and cams don't move and will be replaced. Vehicle cranks, but does not start. 25% compression on the 3 cylinders that I can get to. I learned that good engine vacuum does not always mean healthy engine. Thank you for your guidance, Ryan.
I have a 2004 chevrolet trailblazer has codes p0016 and c0055 and c0040 car will go forward but won't go in reverse will this cause the car to not drive in reverse
Hey Leonard, the P0016 is related to engine timing. The trans is responsible for forward and reverse so as long as the engine is running, both gears should be possible. The other 2 codes are wheel speed sensor related and won't cause transmission issues either.
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I have this exact problem with my 2008 Chevrolet Impala. I was told it was the module, how much would labor cost to replace a module and how much is a module itself?
Hey Cole, what module? An 08 Impala probably has 10+ modules.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
What did it end up being? I have same car and same problem
Have the same code for a Ford Edge 2010. Engine not running smoothly. Guess it can be caused by one of a variety of issues so need to get it checked
I just installed a timing chain tensioner on my 1.8 liter 2011 Toyota Corolla and afterwards it threw this code. I rotated the crank clockwise after installing the chain tensioner. The car runs and drives like it always has, but the engine light and slip indicator light is on now and won’t go off. At advanced auto it threw p0016. Hopefully you can help
Tyler that codes is saying there's a correlation issue. It's possible you are one tooth out of time maybe. Enough to code but not enough to notice a drivability issue.
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NGK Technical Training I’m thinking that’s the problem as well. Is it hard to set it back to the right time? And do you have a video on how to check if your timing chain is out of time?
Tyler, you'll most likely need to remove the front cover again and pull the tensioner to re-time the engine.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
NGK Technical Training do you know on average how much it’d cost to have that done?
@Go Tech how much does something like that cost
Great idea for a series! On my old Mazdas there are virtually no bi-directional controls on the OTC Encore. To activate the OCV I just give it 12v for a second or two. Thanks Mike!
John, just verify with a diagram first, see if it's power or ground side controlled.Then just simulate the control. Quick and dirty bi-directional testing!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Very good stuff 👍🏻👊🏻
Thanks man! You gonna watch the whole series?!
~Mike
@@GoTechTraining every one 🤠
what brand and model of scann tool are you using??
Hey Joel, its the LaunchPadII scanner. Great tool. Check it out man!
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thank you is that going to be the top of the line scanner for lunch ??
It is one of theirs towards the top. I know they also offer a something along the lines of the LaunchPro as well. Not sure. Best bet would to be their website for the most accurate info. launchtechusa.com/
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Whats the model scan tool you used and can you recomend the best scan too to have?
Rohan, we use the Snap-On Verus Edge, Launch Torque, and Autel Maxisys. The best tool will always be the OE tool for that car...the alternative is to have many aftermarket tools. There is no one aftermarket tool that can do everything.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
HI, WHICH IS THE MODEL OF YOUR SCAN TOOL? THANKS IN ADVANCE.
P0012 ford taurus 08? ( 3.5L engine )
Any ideas on how to fix it ?
Hey Shehab, sure, diagnose why it's setting the code. Could be something simple such as low oil or a faulty VVT solenoid...or it could be complex, like the timing chain stretching or jumping...
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I’ve always been hesitant on activating VVT with the engine running at idle for fear of valves hitting pistons because that’s not when it’s intended to be activated. Is this unrealistic for me to think?
Wells Vehicle Electronics thank you for taking the time to clarify that for me
You're welcome! Sorry it took so long to get back at you.
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I just watched a Saturn video that would run poorly above 3000 rpm. He ended up having to relearn the cam/crank correlation! What would cause a car to change its correlation by itself and make you relearn it? Thanks, Tom
Hey Tom, hmm great question. The quick answer would be "nothing". The PCM holds the correlation adjustment unless the battery and capacitors were drained(some vehicles may still store even after this point), a new part was installed that effects cam/crank, or the memory was cleared with a scanner. I feel like maybe that video wasn't telling you the entire story?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I have question.On scan data ,Is "aim angle" the demanded change and "change angle" the actual angle read by cam sensor/ecu. So if controlling the duty cycle the "change angle" value must follow "aim angle" immediately after.If it's not changing then there's problem with the VVT variator.
Hey Petar, yeh that is true. Typically there will be a slight variance spec dependent on manufacturer between aim (desired) and change (actual) positions.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Had a P0014 and replacing the oil control solenoid along with oil change fixed the only code. Problem is this did not fix the Envoy stall on slight acceleration. This can be an expensive problem for the shop. I should have went with my instinct on this car, since it felt like a bad TPS. Looks like a bad pedal position sensor or electronic throttle body assembly 😳
Sometimes an oil change and a new VVT solenoid are all they need...that's not that case with this one :) Envoys are common for throttle body issues. Sometimes cleaning the throttle body and doing a quickie relearn takes care of it. Maybe try that?
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I am currently working on a P0016 corelation code on a Ford edge 2014. I tried using the scan tool (actuation test) to activate the VCT solenoid as you did but it wouldnt turn on. I used a multimeter to test for voltage the VCT solenoid wire harness side but no volt. Pls is there any further test I can do and what conclusion can I draw from the above test conditions
(why would only Bank 1 be throwing codes in this scenario) Sir I took my 08 CTS in for inspection check engine light was on Garage says they think the reluctor wheel has shifted throwing the code. If I don't do anything what do you predict the longevity to be (they said the repair would be quite pricey or more feasible to do an engine swap) Thoughts 🤔(I had the timing chain, tensioners and guides replaced 3 years ago)
I have this P0016 code on my 2008 Mercedes C350 and my rpms go up and down slightly while driving. Why? What’s causing this problem?
Hey, could be a timing issue maybe? P0016 is a cam/crank correlation fault. Follow the rest of this series and you should have a pretty good idea what goes into diagnosis and repair of this issue.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
It's a cliff hanger! Nice one Mike. Looking forward to Part 2.
Got ya on the edge of your seat! Don't fall off, those yoga pants can be slippery :)
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
You know that from experience! haha lol
*wipes the dust off, and gets up off the floor* NO! I have no idea what you're talking about!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Woah, who knew if you surround your text with this symbol * that it bolds it?!
I have question related to it is how come timing could be jumped ??
Although it has timing chain
Timing can jump due to a few factors. Commonly it is because of mechanical wear. Such as bad guides, or a tensioner. Enough stretch in a chain can make it jump too! Great question!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
what scan tool/software are you using?
Hey Tomjoadism, I am using the LaunchPadII scanner. It's a great tool. Make sure to check it out!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
+Wells Vehicle Electronics Ah! I had a feeling! Thanks for the comment! Really enjoying your work!
No, thanks for your comment! And thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
You have video PO016 on 2006 Toyota prius?
Greg, sorry we don't at this time. Diagnosis should be similar to this vehicle though.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
My 2013 Evoque shows p0016, can the damage VCT actuator cause it ? On full throttle if I hold it long enough I also get turbo underboost. Need help! :/
Sounds expensive Samuel. Maybe an VCT solenoid...start by making sure the engine oil is clean, full, and the right viscosity.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I run my 2008 Mazda cx9 low oil and water. I added more oil and water while I was traveling. Everything was normal until I changed the oil and filter. The check engine light turned on the same day. the code is P0016.
what do you recomend?
Wow man congratulations this is amazing thank you so much for your help already see your 6 episodes !! And already subscribed too 👌🏻👍🏻
What does the 2 trip failure code mean?? Thanks
Jen, great question! A 2 trip failure means that it must fail 2 consecutive drive cycles in order to set a trouble code/check engine light. A single trip failure would be setting a code on the first failed test.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi make I have a question,i am trying to replace the coolant sensor in my 4.0 4runner,but is kinda tight back there,there's a hose going in to where the injectors are connected that is blocking me from taking that sensor out,Just wondering how can i disconnect that hose? i don't want to mess it up.Thanks.
Hey Ivan, unfortunately I don't know exactly what hose you're talking about. The pictures in service info are terrible. I can tell you that book time to replace this sensor is 1.1 hours. So maybe something needs to get taken off to access it? Sorry, wish I could be of more help for you!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
hello thanks for the vid, i have a 06 e550 amg sportpack, i have the check engine coming up , but it makes no differance to how the car runs it still drives perfact never missed a beat i can drive 4 hours non stop and never have a problem with the car still showing check engine! would you think it could still be the balancer ? or maybe a sensor ? im looking for some help im hoping you could advise me what you think i would really appreciate your reply kindest regards.
Hey Billy, there are certain conditions where the check engine light comes on with 0 drivability concerns. The light illuminates when the car is creating 1.5x it's rated amount of emissions, not when the car is running poorly. Let's start out with the trouble code number that is stored in the computer.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I'm getting code 0016 and when i checked the oil, it was way low and very black. I changed, drove for about 20 kim and no engine light. When I started it again, the engine light came one and I have code P0016 still. I also have a permanent code P0089 but I'm not sure if its related. Thanks for the video.
Exselecte diagnostic. Maetro. Mi. Respect. For. Yuo amigo.
Muchas Gracias mi amigo!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
So what if this is actually an intermittent issue. I have Had my engine light turn itself off (getting same code p0016) after being on for a while. I have litterally watched it turn off. Though it's on more often than not.
Hey Luis, chances are your looking at the same issues as this vehicle.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining damn ok thanks.
@@GoTechTraining so I had it checked out by toyota, they took the valve covers off and the engine was still in time. They say all sensors and vvt valves and the ctrollers are all working as they should be. To say the least they say the are stumped lol. Oh well at least the engine is running as it should.
good job
Thanks for the support!
~Ryan Wilsing
Is that a launch scanner???
Hey Vince, that is the LaunchPadII scanner. Things great and wicked fast. I really like it so far!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Yuppies loookin forward to it😄
Hey Desmond, thanks for watching!
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What is the difference between bank1 and bank2? I have a 2009 malibu with a p0016 qnd p0017 code bank 1 sensor A and bank 1 sensor B
I have an idea where this one might be going to :-), great subjetc Mike. Thank you.
Hey Juergen, shhh my lips are sealed! Stay tuned, this was kinda just a teaser :)
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I’m definitely late for when this video was posted, but I’m having the same code on my car. I’ve changed the cam sensor and it did make the code go away and let the car run like normal again for a few weeks, but then it came back. Biggest things it’s doing to my engine is making it mildly jumpy at idle, even though it stays between 740-780 rpms, and it likes to hesitate when moving from a stop sometimes. Otherwise, it runs just fine. If I clear the code while driving, it stays off, and only reappears when I turn the car off and back on again. I’m wondering if perhaps (since I did replace the motor a few months ago) if the ECU needs to be recalibrated to the mechanical timing of the motor? I had the new motor get a fresh timing kit with it before it was installed too.
What was your solution bro??? I have the same condition. P0016 goes away then come back
Good learning videos guys!
Hello. Great video. Which scan tool is that?
Hey Tony, that is the LaunchPadII scanner. Great tool, check it out!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Mike. Thanks for the video.
I'm getting this code + p0017 on a Ford Focus mk2, which gives a significant loss of power. Had timing checked and is in place.
It kind of clears when I switch car off and on; back comes back.
You have any idea what else it could be?
Thanks in advance.
Hey Haadi, thanks!!! What year Focus? A P0017 could sometimes be caused by VVT related issues or sprocket issues. Let's start with a year on here and go from there.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Wells Vehicle Electronics thanks for the reply, it's a 55 reg (2006) 1.6 Ti-vct engine.
The p0016 and p0017 come on, there's too much power loss. I've had the cam sensors changed too.
Haadi, unfortunatley in the US we only have the 2.0L. I'm not sure the exact codes set criteria for the P0016 and P0017 on that 16L. Could be a variable valve timing issue maybe? Maybe the reluctor on the cam or the crank moved?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
fca tech normally if you just use a scan tool to clean the cam phaser code goes away
You've had luck with that Alexander? Do you know what the scanner is doing to "clean it"?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
yeah get a lot of p0016 codes. using scan tools you can clean cam phaser exhaust one exhaust two intake one and intake two. I believe the basically it back flushes the solenoid inside of the cam phaser to remove debris.
Nice video thanks.
Hey Tam, Thanks man!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I had to do a double take when I saw It wasn't an evap video !! Good "timing" though .. I got a Land Rover in with a p0016 today :)
Haha we have had a lot of EVAP stuff lately haven't we?! Crazy how that works out sometimes! Well hopefully Tuesday and Wednesdays videos will help you for to find your issue on your Land Rover!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Great!, hey mike hope you show video about map sensor.
Hey Gerardo, we do have a Map sensor video somewhere in the past. Here is the link! ruclips.net/video/piR8OnXIDZs/видео.html
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I didn't see the possible cause being a spun reluctor which I think is important because it does happen.
Hey, that's a great thing to mention! Thanks for watching.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
i have this problems in my pontiac g6 2007
1.- P0014-00
Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank
1
2.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2
3.-P0014-00
Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank 1
4.- P0017-00
Crankshaft Position (CKP) - Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP)
5.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2
the oil was changed and cleaned
the gearbox was changed and a new module was purchased
Hey Rogelio, could be a timing chain issue. Maybe it jumped time?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I bought Auto trans hydraulic control module new and configured will that be?
Hey Mike, I'm looking forward to this one. Will you do a Crank Angle/Ignition test using a Relative Compression waveform? I'm going to ask a stupid question here, even though people do this test all the time, I don't get the validity. If it's a Crank signal triggered ignition, even if the valve timing is off, say, because of a stretched chain, the ignition firing line should still appear in the right place relative to the compression waveform?? Unless the peak compression point itself shifts because of valve overlap affects?
If its a cam driven distributor-based ignition trigger, then a comparison with relative comp waveform should show an early or late firing line?? But only if signal is driven off the cam?
Tell me if Im not making sense?
Alex
Hey Alex, without giving anything away....yes there will be a relative compression test done. No it is not used to check ignition timing though. Like you've said, ignition timing is based off of what??? Crank angle...exactly. So ignition is kinda useless to look at in this case. If you have a cam driven pickup how would ignition be different? Is the cam not connected to the crank via a chain, if that chain were off, stretched, jumped, whatever...would the cam then not be off as well? This puts us in the same boat. I honestly don't see a time when ignition would be useful to judge timing. You'll see in tonight's video what I am using relative compression for. Stay tuned my friend :)
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I'm hanging in there ... I'll come back to you on my thinking re a cam driven ignition trigger and the effect of a stretched chain, jumped tooth :-)
If I can apply some of these steps to my application I'm hanging around!
Alright Wyatt, lets make it happen! You'll like what we have to come :)
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
great video!
Thanks Edgar!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Wouldn't the wrong oil trigger more then p0016
Maybe, maybe not. The computer really has no way of knowing what oil is in the car. It would/could set a P0016 because the oil isn't doing what it's supposed to for the VVT system.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I have a 2013 Audi A5 1.8 TFSI and it started with first giving a slight misfire sometimes when car was stationary so I then serviced the car but still same issues. I then changed the ignition coils and spark plugs but yet again same problem so I then added some additive to the car engine before I turned it on and as soon I turned it the car started to misfire and shake a lot and would cut out and now it gives a code P0016. Can you tell me what it can be ?
A P0016 relates to cam/crank correlation. Maybe the chain/belt is stretched or jumped?
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great video
Thanks Tu Thu!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Question, I reset the codes, but I get the error in about 6 miles. So, it’s not 2 trip in my case. Is that unusual? Same engine, same year, runs great. I changed my oil once and removed a dry filter. 2 summers ago the code was intermittent, now always on.
Interesting...Not exactly sure. Maybe there's a parameter that if it's read toooo far out then it can set the code on a single trip? Sounds like you have an oil flow issue though if you had a dry oil filter...not good!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
If its a V6 Mercedes its the balance shaft, be prepared for a $6400 repair
Wow Eric, really!? That's a pricey one!. Is that just for the chain job? Or is that a motor replacement?
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Balance shaft replacement, defective part 06 W211 merc e350
Eric Filsinger go to Mercedes dealer there was lawsuit fill and they should fix it free. Vehicle from I believe 2003-2008 e350
Hi Mike, awesome videos. Super helpful and very well presented, you're a natural at this stuff. Question: How would temperature effect this code? I have an 08 4Runner V6 and I can control this code producing the CEL by simply choosing when to start and stop the engine, based on operating temp. Cold starts will always trip it, but if I drive several cycles while it's at operating temperature, the code will disappear until the next cold start. I can reliably predict the CEL just by cold vs hot starts. It seems several others on the forums experience the same thing. Any ideas or insight on temperature effects on the system? Cheers
Hey Rob. Thanks! Great question. Many times test will only run when the vehicle has been cold started. In the code set criteria for a P0016 Toyota states that the test is run once per drive cycle and the vehicle must also be idled for 5 minutes straight. It does not define a coolant temp for the "drive cycle" but generally speaking the vehicle would need to go through a warm-up in order to be considered a drive cycle. So yes, I would say temp has a factor is running the test, temp probably does not effect the actual fault.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Ok, thanks. I suspected that too. I hoped you might say that oil temp (and oil condition/contamination) might effect performance of the OCV applying pressure to the VVT, and therefore the VVT not advancing or retarding the timing appropriately (but only when the oil is cold and thick, therefore intermittent).
It's weird, my CEL comes on 5-10 seconds after cold start up. Guess I'll have to understand the test conditions a little better. Thanks again.
Rob, I suggest you take a look at the videos that follow up. I proved out in the videos that the VVT system can not cause this code. The P0016 is for OVER retarded timing. VVT on this car can only advance the timing, meaning VVT can not force thing more retarded than the mechanical stop inside the cam. Like I said, check out the follow up episodes to this video. you wont be disappointed :)
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Oh, over retarding... got it. I did watch them all last night (and my wife thinks I'm weird for enjoying them so much, haha). I thought you proved it was not causing the code just on that particular vehicle, but I understand what you're saying now.
Haha alright good! Any more questions don't hesitate to ask!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Took mine to the GMC dealer at Red Springs N.C. they could not find why check light is on. Ask if they tested any sensors said they had no way to do that. Ha Ha Ha so where do you go to get it fixed.
Well explained,mike thank u
Thank you for watching Upkar!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
What model
perfect explanation
Thanks Samuel!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
What if the oil was actually low ? That might have caused the chain to jump a tooth or 2 ?
Sure, low oil can do nasty things.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I have a questions on scan data iam Mohammed in Ethiopia when diagnosis in the problem p0016 current crankshaft position -camshaft position correlation (Bank1 sensor A)
Hey Mohammed, what's your question?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
What about pull out the valve cover and see the timing marks align. None of them fancy scanners. Hahahaha
Yeh Sure Jonathan, go ahead. Book time is almost 3 hours to do that. What if you're wrong? Who's paying you then? I diagnosed it with a "fancy scanner" in under and hour without removing anything that took time. Work smarter, not harder my friend.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
@@GoTechTrainingYou're right. I work on most of such problems too. What you've done is the correct sequence of diagnosing that problem. I'd prefer to carryout those tests first, before opening up the engine and all that.
No part 2 why?
Canadian ?
Wisconsin, close enough ;)
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Nice bro
Thanks Ali Raza!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I have this code on Lexus is300 2003 :(
Sorry to hear that. Same 4.0 engine?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thanks Bro
Thanks for watching Hassan!
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Awesome
Dig It
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Haha is this mechanic repairing this vehicle by a schematic from a system? 😂
Hey Andrew, you need to know whats wrong before you can fix it!
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Time waster