For any still wondering, TOR was made by the Navy. Its main use was as a neutral platform for reporters in dangerous countries. It helped the Arab spring.
Yup It's about 90% junk pages meant for storage. Edgy sites Most of the claims in the video were so blatantly fake it could've only been from a redditor
@@0xb1_ TOR was made for journalists in foreign countries iirc so perhaps the Facebook site is for them and us military members. Idk though. The thought of zuckerburg having his fingers in the deep web though is fucked up
Thank you for bringing up how sick it is that people think fake CP is ok. I’ve argued with so many people who support it, who say we’re “doing nothing to protect the real children”. It’s sickening and so aggravating.
Absolutely. Making fake CP available would only serve as a new gateway for thousands more to get involved in this disgusting cesspool. We need a crackdown on it everywhere across the web, not the opposite.
Agreed. It's genuinely rancid. I was gonna go into a rant that could basically be summed up as "lolicon bad. Shotacon bad," but I was having trouble finding the right wording to express it properly.
I wanna see tiny, insignificant, crimes caught on Twitch. Like a streamer caught jaywalking, or messing around with a gumball machine and getting a free gumball out of it.
Does that person that suggested AI CP realize that the only way to train AI to generate this content is by feeding it terabytes of real CP? Holy shit Twitter is a wasteland.
Yeah Twitter legit needs to be carpet bombed, they don't also realize that they will get tired of it and find actual CP or do something completely evil. Just like sharks they'll get a taste and want more. Completely and utterly evil and sicking. Twitter really needs to be deleted for that idea.
@@marvelfan1287 The FBI has an archive of CP seized during investigations. Each image and shit is tagged with a unique identifier that allows Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and I believe Twitter to automatically find and remove posts containing those images and bans the user. Whenever you report a post for containing that material, it is also saved by the platform to a database to then be used to discover other users sharing them and blocking them and reporting them to the authorities.
"Streamers are responsible for any content shown on stream." ...including an unexpected jacking of their own car, which they definitely did not intend or desire? Good job, Twitch! Victim blaming TOS isn't fucking weird at all.
it would probably even make them think its easier to do because they see it done so easy in the animation kind of like when you watch a movie and feel motivation or something
I can't remember exactly what happened, but my father was just driving me into town and he told me about this 17 year old and supposedly he made his entire school picture nude pics by using ai, literally year 7s, all the way to the 12th graders and even the teachers, were all made into nude pics and he was found jerking off to the pic, or something like that, but I can't remember who caught him. He was charged apparently, but my father didn't know how long, but he was probably charged as an adult.
@@Redrum1892 Not all predators use the tor browser and I'm sure there are alot on the surface Web where most children are. I think by making fake AI children they can use them to lure out surface predators, and in turn can find others that they may have a trading with. That's probably what they meant.
@@Sleeplittlesheeps22 They ARE, Back during the BLM stuff when anonymous was pulling big shots I got really interested in it (I'm a nerd who happens to enjoy tech), anyways I stumbled across what they call "Ops" simply just a bunch of nerdy hackers working to take down one thing... in this case CP. And they just list links... not onion links, CLEAR WEB. And the government does not care, I know this cause I tried getting one taken down myself... it got taken down but it took so long I'm not sure if it was actually them, anonymous, or just a server shutdown.
But the traumatic event is usually the trigger. My mental health was shit after years of being abused in all ways, but it was bring raped that pushed me over the edge and started a 4 month mission to commit suicide and I've never been the same since
"I just built an unstoppable train track that Is going to hit these innocent victims, unless someone sends $25,000,000 worth of bit coin, this is gonna make blood donation hospitals wet!"
Weirdest thing I've found on the dark web was a My Little Pony fan site. No NSFW, nothing bad at all, just MLP episodes and fan stuff. It was strange but a relief I suppose
@@sexygirlmax2019 It does tbh, but I swear I checked every corner of that site for a reason for it to be there and there was nothing. My best assumption is that they're trying to get away with free streaming but even then there's a million free streaming sites on the clear web despite it being illegal.
He doesnt do a very good job. Hes largely uninformed and just blindly speculates. Like he will openly criticize the active psychotherapetic pursuit of allowing fabricated pornography to sexual offenders as an outlet for a non harmful form of sexual expression and becsuse it's simply beyond his cognitive capacity to think beyond his narrow view, he deems it "disgusting" without any sort of context. Newa flash, personal disgust isnt a thought, its not an argument, it's not anything but your discomfort about a topic you dont understand. If "that's disgusting" doesnt work for trans issues or homosexual issues, why would it work for this? I find it ironic coming from Americans to decry fabricated sexual content involving minors as a demonstrable way to decreasing sex crimes (look up the psyche studies) in a country that regularly normalizes forced genital mutilation of newborns....I couldn't think of a more hypocritical stance between being outraged by fabricated sexual content, within a culture that has essentially universally defended and normalized infant sexual abuse via genital cutting. Dont think too hard charlie you dont get paid to do that, your stans clearly dont care either..
Couldn’t agree more. Not only would there be more CP, but there’d be some even sicker fucks giving the AI guys some sorta “Oh, but it doesn’t have the same spark to it as the original” bullshit.
Tbh, many pedophiles literally suffer from being like that. Having a "healthy" outlet - such as porn or hentai - can help. Although, consuming too much porn isnt good for the brain anyway. I wonder if there is a study on the subject regarding pedophiles..
I honestly don't watch and don't want to watch porn of any kind, but there's a fine line that separates, that differentiates "consumption from time to time" from borderline addiction. Sure, some people that consume such content aren't straight-up pedophiles or porn addicts, but have their own reasons like you said, an "outlet". You're right, if there _is_ a study on the subject, it'd be interesting. I'm not a psychologist, so we'd have to leave the study to someone else. Till then, let's hope the metaphorical tree of the AI idea doesn't bear any fruit.
True but pick your poison not much else of an option if they haven't committed crimes then they're innocent and u cant just go kill people that are weird and creepy then your a murderer and goto prison for life so pick the lesser evil
quick thing, no you cant get arrested for lolicon in the US, they CAN use it as evidence if you have charges involving children, but you arent going to be prosecuted for loli alone
Twitch could very easily delete the VOD and Archive it for Police Investigations instead of straight up banning the Streamer for being the victim of a crime with LIVE evidence. Big L for Twitch and their rep
Think about it like this, we have found it to be proven that violent video games reduce violent crimes. So why would some legal form of CP that doesn't harm anyone not reduce crimes against children?
My understanding of TOR is that it itself isn't the "Dark Web," but instead a way to *access* it made by the Navy. The thing is, it's very easy for the owners of illegal content to see if someone is accessing their content and the method they are doing so. If only the Navy uses TOR, then when the content owners see a person accessing them is using TOR they'd immediately know a Fed is watching them. So, the Navy decided to make TOR easily accesible and usable by the general public so that when the Content Owner sees someone accessing their content via TOR, they can't tell if it's a Fed or a Genuine Customer.
@@devboi2873 The way they worded it is weird. The simple way to say it is, "An anonymous service only used by the federal government isn't very anonymous. So if we open it up to everyone, it becomes much more anonymous."
@Liquid Tranquility I saw a story about an alien who ate space shrooms and shat himself on the deep web lmao. Idk why people think it's all illegal scary stuff,It's really not. There's also a lot of conspiracy stuff on the deep wep too.
In the Netherlands you can definitely arrest someone for suspicion, if that suspicion is justified. But being arrested is not the same as being succesfully proscecuted. I think it's the same in other countries
its called being detained. unless the cop verbally says your being arrested and reading u ur Miranda rights, ur are being detained under suspicion. the guy was being sus for not saying his name and the cop had the ability to detain him. feel bad for him though, he got robbed and the police were abused so his neighbor could commit a crime.
The dark web was initially supposed to be a way for governments to talk to each other anonymously. However, to do that crucial role of talking to each other anonymously, you needed a way to saturate it. Hence, the dark web was born
@@brokenlegs8431 No joke, the TOR darkweb software was originally from the Navy, but they realized that if only they used it, though people wouldn't be able to read it in the middle it would be like lighting up a bright signal saying "LOOK THE NAVY IS OVER HERE" if anyone saw TOR traffic. So they publicly released it and now you can't tell what's porn, drugs or actual military/spy usage.
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no RUclipsr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear iam
The dark web is mostly used by people who live in countries with heavy restrictions on media. For example, a Russian right now might use the dark web to learn about the Ukrainian Invasion
What about westerners? They should use it too cause I guarantee you what you're being told by our media is just as bullshit as what Russia is selling to their citizens.
my favorite thing bout charlie is how chill he is like theres the streamers who like talk and act so differntly then other content creators other creators you can just tell they are differnt off camera but with charlie i feel like im hanging out with him
*Most common legal uses for Tor:* *1.* Business people use Tor to keep their company strategies private *2.* Activists use Tor to freely express their opinions and beliefs *3.* Workers use Tor to fight for justice without fear of losing their job *4.* Everyday people use Tor to avoid being followed by marketing ads *5.* Bloggers use Tor to rally people toward social reform *6.* Journalists use Tor to securely investigate stories they are reporting on *7.* People use Tor to safely stay connected with their friends and family Just a few examples for anyone curious…
Plus, it's great for being truly anonymous. Tor is great for that because almost everyone who uses it has the same fingerprint. It's near impossible to be anonymous through basic means, such as a VPN, and anti-tracking browser addons. The harder you try to stay anonymous on a public browser, the more unique your fingerprint is, so you essentially make yourself stand out even *more*, and it makes it extremely easy to be identified by someone. With Tor, you look the same as everyone else. You'd be surprised how many pieces of information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, can be used to identify someone. All the way down to the size of your monitor/application.
Im actually really shocked Tuv has made it this far i remember just having a meme instagram and when he announced he was moving to youtube i was like this dude gonna be hella disappointed, but he actually made it good for him man
Dude i was literally thinking the same thing but I never expected anyone else to remember. His name was Tuvhub and when I checked out his youtube channel I wont like I was like nah this is just another wannabe and I never believed he would come any further.
@@Shitposter-yp7dj I’ve only known SOG for a short while when was he making good content? Cuz I’ll sometimes click a video that seems interesting but his personality almost always makes me turn it off halfway through.
The main reason for the dark web is being able to freely browse the web. in china and tons of other places ( think N Korea, or Russia now) where people get killed or just disappear just for looking for certain things. it makes a safe place for journalists and anyone living oppressed to safely share and learn. THAT is the main reason for tor.
Yup a lot of countries do not have the same internet freedom we do in the west. There’s probably no practical reason for the average American to use the dark web but in many asian countries u can’t even look up the Bible in one or the Quran in the other, or talk freely about politics or sexuality like we can on twitter.
@@cezanvaneeckhaute9520 LMAO yes, yes they do. They also use a lot of crypto sibce their money is in the shitter atm, it's basically a necessity. Source: friend is Russian.
I had a coworker that would bring up the topic of AI child p*rn quite frequently, and he was unfortunately also on the ass-backwards reasoning of being in favor of it. He would mention it so frequently at work that some of my other (female) coworkers had to discuss our concerns to our manager. I'm not sure if he was every directly fired, but I was sure as hell relieved to see I wasn't scheduled to work with him anymore.
To this day when I'm getting dressed I look at my webcam and wink. I've been doing it for years. I highly doubt my webcam ever got hacked and probably isn't even hackable now. But the idea that someone may be watching and all of the sudden I turn, look at them and wink, brightens my day. I'm the mastermind in this world, you're not secretly watching me, I'm hacking your mind and making you watch me lmao
Lmao I literally do the same thing. I’ve had feelings someone may be watching me then just smile wildly or wink at my camera and tell them I love them.
"The only way to stop murder is to provide serial killers with AI generated victim to kill" i feel like im onto smt here. edit: i get it guys there are games were people do that but stop d riding no one cares fr i was playing around yall are glazing me crazy its not that serious zip me up when yur done.
No, a research study for pro social behavior and aggression called the Bobo Doll study provided evidence that cathartic release or viewing of violence only promotes further violent behavior - it does not release the violent behavior
@trisday4716 lies, if I could kill virtual people I would spend more time doing that over what I usually do, which is pick up hookers and drop them into the forest, me and the guys try to see who can hunt her down the quickest. It's a ton of work. If we could do it virtually, we would probably take that alternative ngl.
@@King-in-Yellow i think u are trolling/kidding or I hope so, but I'm sure there are games out there where u can kill virtually if that is what u enjoy and that would actually be better if you do participate in those activities. I'm just saying that studies have shown in cases of catharsis (a release) for viewing criminal activity such as pornography or violence has shown to increase these behaviors and escalate them
i mean in the Netherlands they provide heroin addicts with heroin for free while they are in rehab. they do this with clean needles to not be dangerous they do this to steer people away from buying it on the streets and killing that market and to not have them have side effects from cold turkey while they are in rehab
Just a slight correction on the legality of loli content: While federal law outlaws loli art, Title V Section 502 provides a legal defense if the loli content does not involve any actual minors. This keeps people from using the "it's just art" defense if they used a real minor or event that actually happened with a minor to draw their piece but allows people who didn't involve a real life minor at any point to use the "No victim, no crime" defense. BUT to use that defense, it can't be "indistinguishable from reality" so the AI idea that somebody mentioned that would produce realistic content would not fly
Iirc drawn loli was illegal until the law that said it was deemed unconstitutional or something along those lines but I don't remember the exact reason why.
Ultimately the legality is highly uncertain in general because people are rarely prosecuted for it. I don't think anyone besides a lawyer is qualified to have an opinion on the legality of any drawing that could be construed as depicting a minor in the USA. Canada is a lot more litigious about this kind of stuff, I wouldn't call anything for sure legal over there. In general if you live in North America treating all drawings of fictional characters like you would treat banned literature is probably wise. Censorship is alive and well it would seem.
That Hollywood shooting incident was actually insane and something for the history books, glad Charlie talked about it on stream for people who never knew.
“Why are you guys always asking about my mental health, I’m doing good, I’m gonna play GTA after this.” As if playing GTA is the hallmark of a mentally sound man, or something. Hahaha
I am 22 minutes into this video and all the footage just from this video about “Tuv” screams some bad shit.. his pop up for “RUclips” right after that were NOT the RUclips colors and that alone screams some shit.
Actually makes me super sick to my stomach to even hear that the “youngest actor” was 4 days after birth and “newborn smoothies”. I truly want to believe that’s not real but holy fuck, even if it’s fake, who in the actual fuck thinks of that
Fake or not... this is just...ffs even calling it sick isn't enough. If it's not fake...god help that poor baby. Hope who ever made that sick shit gets blended while he is still alive.
@@yams.4308 I try to not think about things to not have it bother me and being emotional is exhausting now days for me. Basically i don't want to feel utterly disgusted.
Thats not true, a big percentage are just your average exit scams, frauds, snake oil and so on. Even all that drug selling sites are real but 95% are exit scams and the rest is legit. Also, the feds need a couple of months to take over a drug site on tor, so if you buy the first weeks and than switch sites youre pretty much safe, except from scams...
The North Hollywood Shootout is used for the opening scene in the movie SWAT. Much of the footage used was actually from the real shootout. A deleted scene showed the officers acquiring the rifles from the local shop.
It is honestly mind boggling how Tuv can be a YTer who covers the darkest, most deepweb shit and still be as naïve and immature as he is. My brother in Christ, you clicked the link to these horrid sights, you can't be surprised that they're horrific lmfao
I guess it's more or less an act of sorts. It gets grating after a while. Like wow needless to say xyz is a horrible event, thing etc I now need to harp on that point needlessly. Im just as disgusted as you viewer etc thing. Annoying af 💀💀😂
I feel like he's more like YOU shouldn't do it, he does it because he just does he says it's horrific so you don't decide you need to see this and end up getting scarred.
@@penisinlargementpills2511 I feel like it’s more informational. I mean someone has to take the bait and like he said his mental health is good. Shit I don’t even wanna remember what he said. It’s gonna take a while for me to forget
Man I got so paranoid about the webcam thing, so I put another barrier to cover my camera. I remember there being something about certain companies putting mics and cameras into TVs and other appliances too. I don’t remember where I saw it but that was like ten years ago. This topic always brings me back to that scene in the dark knight where Batman is using the citizens phones to map the city... creepy stuff.
sounds like some real 1984 Orwellian shit, they mention in the book that surveillance devices are in everything but not all of them are monitored at the same time, so as a citizen you have no way of knowing for sure which one is monitoring you at any given moment, or if you are even being monitored at all.
@@shoyupacket5572 Yeah, this is why I hate the idea of a "smart home". The only electronics that should be "smart" are PC and mobile phones. Anything beyond that is just BS
Late to this video but in certain countries where censorship is terrible TOR is an absolute blessing. It also hides it's users by making them all look the same so it's nearly impossible to identify someone as long as the host device or network isn't compromised.
To clarify in the US Loli is legal. The reason many claim it's illegal is because they always refer to the protect act which was deemed unconstitutional later. Even the FBI and Organizations aimed at helping children ask that people not fill the reports with loli as it's wasting resources towards helping actual children.
I still love this relationship between Charlie and Tuv. Charlie watches Tuvs videos, and Tuv appreciates Charlie and watches his content off stream. Love it.
The saddest thing I ever saw was a documentary about Peds. The police woman responsible for reviewing all the files and content found on suspects pc’s pointed out that she’d find thousands of vids of kids.. thousands of vids of full assaults on kids as young as 2… the saddest most screwed up part she pointed out was the time stamps. Some vids were up to 10 years old.. thousands of unidentified kids abused from 10 years ago that can’t be found… that are still on an unknown place/situation 10 years later.
Watching these darkweb/iceberg videos always remind me of Wendigoon's finale on the end of the "serial killer iceberg" videos. He doesn't forget to tell people that humans are incredible, and there is so much people working to make good of our society. That stuff like these are just one in a million cases whose perpetrators will end up facing consequences for their actions, and that good will always end up rising, no matter how long it may seen. It's the stuff that some people have in their minds, with unfortunately many people do not and end up doing harm to others or even themselves. So leave this note, these are lone cases which are not repeated, soon enough this will be erradicated and the degenerates will be caught.
Nonetheless its going to be hard for people to just let something slide or leave "a man" behind. Looking at it saying these are just "coincidences" is truely just wrong. Everyone is a Miracle in itself.
In case anyones curious, the most casual use of the dark web is to avoid government censorship. Not all too common in America but a huge problem in countries like China and Russia.
I accessed the dark web for about a minute and then freaked out just being on there and clicked off immediately. It showed up on a background check that I had accessed it. I didn't even explore it or anything. Just don't go there.
Funnily enough, when I was a LOT younger, I did have Tor and did use it for really simple stuff. It’s because my mother was incredibly sick and would spy on everyone constantly through the ethernet or something. I didn’t know what the dark net was and thought Tor would help me hide the fact I was online. I was small and dumb, and didn’t really know how to use it anyway so I just stopped.
In highschool we would use TOR to bypass the school districts filtering system. Overkill for the task, but it worked. Using TOR doesn't make you dumb. Using TOR for stupid shit makes you dumb.
they do put a lot of effort into it but theres so much they have to pick what to go after and wait for the bad guys to slip up. when a site gets taken down a new site usually pops up by the same people. its a hard thing to manage
The majority of these "offers" are part of that effort. These are honeypots, baits, traps set up by government agencies to catch criminals and predators.
as soon as they shut down one site, another pops up. it’s a truly terrible job and the people doing it are mentally exhausted from constantly putting up w it.
Y'know up until last night, the most I knew of you was through vids on reels, of the meme of you going "woooo" but from what I've watched, you've earned a subscriber
I recall that as a kid around 2013-2015 I was visiting my best friend like usual and his cousin was there this time, we were on a laptop on some sort of chat roulette watching crazy people, suddenly the cousin opened another site that just showed people on their devices without them realizing them being watched, as a kid I didn't even realized what was going on and shrugged it off as funny, now I realize it was highly illegal and even scarrier to know that it was so easy to spy on people, a fkin child could just easily walk into a voyeurism paradise, think about that...
Yeah, I found the website of peoples home cameras etc. i weirdly watched one video and my god I wasn’t sure if they knew or not. If it was consensual or not… it was so weird.. but I remember someone had a cute display of cushions on their couch 😂
I noticed and started looking through the comments to find someone else who saw it too. The way he was nodding showed a slight hint of respect for the people who hacked twitch.
I remember watching an interview with the former head of MI6, and I could see that he had a bit tape covering the webcam of his laptop. I’ve had a cover on mine ever since. If the head of MI6 doesn’t trust his webcam neither do I
For anyone looking, a brief, vague run down: The dark webs purpose is anonymity. The navy developed it to encrypt messages so that they couldn't be traced back to an individual by monitoring traffic. A TOR network is built up of nodes which are essentially other computers running the software. When you transfer data/make a request etc you send it through 5 of those nodes, the request is encrypted from the furthest to closest and each layer has the address of the next node in the chain. In short it protects the data being able to be traced back to anyone. Its not necessarily all illegal drugs and weapons...sometimes murder, sometimes leaking government secrets and maybe a little anti government stuff in those countries where you get jailed for thinking about not liking your rulers.
My school showed us a documentary which included a website (I’ve forgotten the name) which allows you to get into peoples webcams if they aren’t password protected. There was one guy who used to go through and access the webcam and microphone to scare and warn the people who are vulnerable. The problem is that when one of my classmates (who gave off bad “nice guy” stalker vibes and was proven to have stalked a girl in the past, leaving her a creepy note in her door) remembered the site and boasted about getting it to work. He boasted that he could even get it to work in the common room as he knew the IP of the common room WiFi and would then use a password guesser to basically go through every single variation of the IP in order to find someone available on the network. I’m glad the guy he managed to get into was told immediately and he got a punch in the face for it.
7:44 Crazy how the AK is a gun most of the planet is aware of, and yet you just give the general name of Kalashnikov instead of AK and a bunch of people have no idea what it is
If he thought it was worth mentioning, why wouldn’t he take two minutes to do the slightest bit of research… he would have seen AK or AK47, and if he didn’t recognize that… then we should not listen to this dude.
here's a question: Is twitch, banning/taking down channels that have captured crimes... illegal? because technically that would be obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence, which is punishable up to 6 months in prison.
@@loganmain4244 I imagine that they are also obligated to hand over any evidence (streams) that may or may not be of use to the police? I know sites like Facebook always say "We cooperate with police" and all that.
@@BakaTaco I remember the time when Apple straight up refused to open a guys phone for the fucking FBI just because they wanted the publicity of seeming pro privacy. Don't think anything happened to them.
@@deathwish-gg8wz That is extremely messed up, and I hope something was done about that. Tech companies and sites should be held accountable (as should the users) for what is on their site/reporting crimes/abiding to police. They are NOT above the law, despite their often crappy behaviours.
the one offering baby smoothies seems mainly like a honeypot made to separate psychos from their money. there is nothing advertised on there that isn't available in some form, but it all seems far too extensive and impractical for a group to meaningfully provide all of those services. especially the custom scenarios one, Skully managed something like that but it's exceptionally rare and not very realistic to be able to pick and choose as many details as they offer. could be real though, maybe those guys are the Amazon of the deep web or something
Most dark web sites hold the cryptocurrency in escrow until the buyer confirms they received what they ordered so you can’t just take the money and send them nothing. On the other hand you could go the the butcher and get some pig parts and blend them how would the buyer know? I believe it is probably police like half of the dark web sites.
Loli isn't illegal in the US, it was ruled constitutional free speech by the supreme court. However if you get charged for actual possession of real CP they can add the loli as an additional charge for being "obscene material".
@@Aether776 yeah canada recognise loli as actual cp, the sad thing is when they were debating about it, some of the politicians said if you look at loli your gonna do things to actual children
One very interesting thing about the dark web is that journalists from different countries go on there so they can report on things from their countries where freedom of speech is not allowed.
@@Azad_Kaiser he's not, hes just saying how it is, its no secret people are psycopaths, we've seen it throughout history and sometimes we still see it, and as a person with a life of our own, we need to live and get past this kind of sheet, we can let ourselves go down for stuff like this, this stuff always existed, and most probably, will keep existing.
The cam stuff is actually really scary to me because recently every time I turn on my camera I sometimes hear a sound effect that implies a photo being taken. But only through my headset. Maybe it's some problem with my pc but I can't find any answers online. And it scares me more since I'm a girl and I'm aware about people hacking into cameras. 😵💫 Edit: This was basically almost a year ago now but I did solve the problem LMAO. This is now something that doesn't really bother me anymore. My camera had a messed up keybind where it was just taking photos of me randomly. I fixed it and now I normally just flip my camera at my ceiling when not using it. Thanks to the people who gave me suggestions though. Just me being plain stupid until a few months ago.
Heya, if youre really worried, you can write down the timestamps when you hear something, then check detailed system logs. It should be possible to see if camera was on, and maybe even if a photo was taken, because if you hear the sound that suggests someone watching would not have used their pc to screen, but rather your pcs build in functions, which should show up. Anyways, its probably nothing and just a background app doing some harmless updates or something with a badly chosen sound.
Twitch banning accounts where crimes happened to someone or near them, out of their control, thus making the videos inaccessible, should be treated as tampering with evidence
I can’t believe that in the early 2000s I could just stumble upon a beheading *on RUclips* , I really didn’t need that forming my primitive years Edit: yes I know you can still find that shit but it’s less common now to accidentally see stuff like that
i mean, you still can, tho sometimes not that easily. around 2 years ago i was sitting in a normal telegram channel about meme vids, not privated and the amount of ads it had with gore channels is astounding 💀 the funniest thing these channels didnt use gorey ads as a way to draw attention to their channel, they were posting gore stuff on a regular basis 💀💀💀
I would hang out in a deep web chat room, and the people there were kinda chill. Obviously I was super depressed at the time, and someone calmed me down from my suicidal thoughts. Sometimes, a person would come in asking for CP and everyone would be like fuck off.
Yes it was Dell!! I was 5 when my mom was 23, maybe 24, and she had just got hers. I had been playing a game on it when I fell asleep and then I woke up to a green light in my face. It was the webcam light turning green and the camera app popping up. Seriously terrifying but after that night we really truly knew how much scarier the world would get. Every computer, tablet, phone we have is ALWAYS faced down when not being used
Since you asked about the Twitch Policy to crimes, it gives them a leg to stand on when the legitimacy of the crime comes into question if someone is suspected of faking crimes for views. Or the staging of actual crimes. It would be super easy to have a "stranger" commit crime x and "accidently" catch it on stream. It's much simpler to just ban them all and sort it out later.
Was in sodapoppin's regulars discord i think or sub, and were streaming. Then a guy comes in and says the N-word several times. I reported the dude and sent the timestamp of the VOD, the dude got a warning by twitch and they never deleted my vod. This was also back when this whole shitfiesta of bans happened. So tbf twitch do take it seriously.
I remember that shootout. I’ve lived my entire life in and around North Hollywood. I was 18 when this happened. It was the first time I saw someone shot down before. It happened in real time on live television. It was so disturbing and also so unreal. I mean, I knew it was happening and it was so close but it just seemed so impossible. These men looked like Stormtroopers.
TOR was made by the navy to send secret communications, but since they were the only ones using it people could tell when the navy was using it, so they made it open so that it wasnt as obvious when they were using it as it would be drowned out by other people's communications
Tor was made by the DoD, which the Navy falls under. Oh, and the thing about the AI that generates fake CP photos... any AI/ML algorithm that they implement would require tons of REAL photos in order to train it. So yeah... that idea is disgusting.
Just to piggyback on the Narcissa Wright thing a little bit, I think part of the reason she stopped speedrunning initially was because she developed a wrist/forearm injury from speedrunning due to some of the tricks she had to do constantly. She wasn't able to do it anymore and that may or may not have played a part in the declining mental health. She did a lot of questionable stuff after that though that I don't remember clearly enough to talk about, but you can find minidocs on her on RUclips if you're really curious.
He is a deranged and delusional lunatic and always has been. He needs serious help. I hope he is getting the help he needs. I havent followed him at all though in a very long time.
I try to keep my camera blocked at all times. It's so gross to imagine someone can just watch you without you ever knowing. It happens way more than anyone thinks. Some people are stalked because of it though.
@@deezboyeed6764 it has legitimately nothing to do with the camera, it has everything to do with hidden malware in js, hidden malware in downloads and not being secure
Eh, if it happens to you you probably deserve it It'd only happen if you were stupid enough to let it happen. Take your own security seriously or get off the internet Third option is just accepting whatever happens
For any still wondering, TOR was made by the Navy. Its main use was as a neutral platform for reporters in dangerous countries. It helped the Arab spring.
@@forgivezharion6989 what
Didn't know that, cool man
@UCJxmarbMiRvf1MwhgSoT7ZA racially motivated?
@@forgivezharion6989 Ratio+L+Bozo+no father figure
@@forgivezharion6989 ok and?
Charlie, I'm gonna be honest, we're all watching you through your webcam. This may come as a shock
LMAO
💀💀
😂😂😂😂 he’s got no clue.
…WHAT THE FU-
Why tf did you tell him bro...
When Charlie asked if there was non illegal stuff on the dark web, I instantly thought of pirating movies. So I forgot that piracy is illegal.
Yup
It's about 90% junk pages meant for storage. Edgy sites
Most of the claims in the video were so blatantly fake it could've only been from a redditor
Facebook exists there, somehow
@@iwansaputra283 Not surprised, facebook is already like a deep web shit hole
@@iwansaputra283 Correct. I've been on the dark Web and Facebook has made a site for TOR users.
@@0xb1_ TOR was made for journalists in foreign countries iirc so perhaps the Facebook site is for them and us military members. Idk though. The thought of zuckerburg having his fingers in the deep web though is fucked up
Thank you for bringing up how sick it is that people think fake CP is ok. I’ve argued with so many people who support it, who say we’re “doing nothing to protect the real children”. It’s sickening and so aggravating.
Absolutely. Making fake CP available would only serve as a new gateway for thousands more to get involved in this disgusting cesspool. We need a crackdown on it everywhere across the web, not the opposite.
Agreed. It's genuinely rancid.
I was gonna go into a rant that could basically be summed up as "lolicon bad. Shotacon bad," but I was having trouble finding the right wording to express it properly.
I wanna see tiny, insignificant, crimes caught on Twitch. Like a streamer caught jaywalking, or messing around with a gumball machine and getting a free gumball out of it.
That’s exactly what I thought I was going to watch.
I stuck a $0.59 clearance sticker for bath colors onto a $4 IPA today while shopping for diapers.
@@OtterCynical a true hero
Bad boy
Don’t know how insignificant this is, but I remember hearing that a streamer got banned for looking at his phone while driving lol
Charlie is the only person who can get mad in lower case
Dont read my name tho😑
@@MbitaChizi nobody cares dude
@@spacemarine6212 I hate bots
@@graydavid5188 their creativity id as bland and robotic as their bots
@@MbitaChizi bro go get a life
Does that person that suggested AI CP realize that the only way to train AI to generate this content is by feeding it terabytes of real CP? Holy shit Twitter is a wasteland.
too late, go ask FB how do they exactly detect cp
Yeah Twitter legit needs to be carpet bombed, they don't also realize that they will get tired of it and find actual CP or do something completely evil. Just like sharks they'll get a taste and want more. Completely and utterly evil and sicking. Twitter really needs to be deleted for that idea.
@@puripuri3876 how?😐
@@marvelfan1287 The FBI has an archive of CP seized during investigations. Each image and shit is tagged with a unique identifier that allows Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and I believe Twitter to automatically find and remove posts containing those images and bans the user. Whenever you report a post for containing that material, it is also saved by the platform to a database to then be used to discover other users sharing them and blocking them and reporting them to the authorities.
@@tweakernation well its not like there saving it in a person-folder
"Set my homie free he didnt do nun" the homie's website:
hahahaha frfr
"Streamers are responsible for any content shown on stream."
...including an unexpected jacking of their own car, which they definitely did not intend or desire? Good job, Twitch! Victim blaming TOS isn't fucking weird at all.
They are responsible for broadcasting it, not necessarily the act in question
Twitch = Chinese
@@djredeye7610 still, fuck twitch, the moderation is too shit tbh
@@djredeye7610 how though. If i was recording and someone knocked me unconscious then did sexual acts, how is that my fault. Like think about that
@@Tylericous no one would want to do that to you anyways 😂
The internet is actually terrifying, it shouldn’t be as easy as it is to find something that will stick with you forever.
Dont read my name tho😑
3 bots in 4 mins 😐
@YeaMan You got horrible grammar in your sentences though
Nickocado Advocado lolol.
@@bokgaming6645 it's a bot
AI kid content could be an effective way to find/trap predators, but no it would never ever actually stop them from wanting to harm actual kids.
it would probably even make them think its easier to do because they see it done so easy in the animation kind of like when you watch a movie and feel motivation or something
Bruh tor browser makes you anonymous man what part kf that yall.dont understand the only way to combat it is to remove the sites.
I can't remember exactly what happened, but my father was just driving me into town and he told me about this 17 year old and supposedly he made his entire school picture nude pics by using ai, literally year 7s, all the way to the 12th graders and even the teachers, were all made into nude pics and he was found jerking off to the pic, or something like that, but I can't remember who caught him. He was charged apparently, but my father didn't know how long, but he was probably charged as an adult.
@@Redrum1892 Not all predators use the tor browser and I'm sure there are alot on the surface Web where most children are. I think by making fake AI children they can use them to lure out surface predators, and in turn can find others that they may have a trading with. That's probably what they meant.
@@Sleeplittlesheeps22 They ARE, Back during the BLM stuff when anonymous was pulling big shots I got really interested in it (I'm a nerd who happens to enjoy tech), anyways I stumbled across what they call "Ops" simply just a bunch of nerdy hackers working to take down one thing... in this case CP. And they just list links... not onion links, CLEAR WEB. And the government does not care, I know this cause I tried getting one taken down myself... it got taken down but it took so long I'm not sure if it was actually them, anonymous, or just a server shutdown.
what people don't understand about mental health degradation is that it's usually something that happens over time. Not just one traumatic event.
Ok?
@Sebys 122 training, several months of deployment, dozens of dangerous and life threatening situations, over time
tell this to the parents out there
SOME people dont know what targatsongerg means... 🙄
But the traumatic event is usually the trigger. My mental health was shit after years of being abused in all ways, but it was bring raped that pushed me over the edge and started a 4 month mission to commit suicide and I've never been the same since
Imagine doing the webcam roulette and suddenly you're looking at yourself 👁️👄👁️
no thanks im good
Id literally piss myself
@@TeethHoarderr you will piss yourself in 30 year
"Oh hey, I know that guy! Wait..."
To calm you down it’s probably a camera that switches to your phone camera, not a spy webcam. Just to terrify people
Tuv is the journalist we needed, but not the one we deserve
@@forgivezharion8500 are you ok
@YeaMan *this channel has no videos*
@Red From Amogus Deez doofs are just bots lol
@YeaMan who’s Paige?
He needs to fix his hair. Otherwise he's pretty cool.
Dark Web version of RUclips: “I try to beat Elden Ring, but every time I die, I kill one of these hostages”
"I just built an unstoppable train track that Is going to hit these innocent victims, unless someone sends $25,000,000 worth of bit coin, this is gonna make blood donation hospitals wet!"
"Last person to leave the circle gets to F*ck my mom!"
bros gonna need more hostages that game is hard
Weirdest thing I've found on the dark web was a My Little Pony fan site. No NSFW, nothing bad at all, just MLP episodes and fan stuff. It was strange but a relief I suppose
That sounds....sus still
sus
@@sexygirlmax2019 It does tbh, but I swear I checked every corner of that site for a reason for it to be there and there was nothing. My best assumption is that they're trying to get away with free streaming but even then there's a million free streaming sites on the clear web despite it being illegal.
How did you get on the dark web? I heard you couldn't actually just find the dark web or something.
@@badasspenguin2634 tor browser
Charlie is the future gatekeeper of the internet's history. He's been around for a lot. Now I feel old.
Feel ancient my g
I love drinking lean Charlie!
Justin Wang is the go-to Internet historian.
Mr Metokur is kind of too, or he used to be.
He doesnt do a very good job. Hes largely uninformed and just blindly speculates.
Like he will openly criticize the active psychotherapetic pursuit of allowing fabricated pornography to sexual offenders as an outlet for a non harmful form of sexual expression and becsuse it's simply beyond his cognitive capacity to think beyond his narrow view, he deems it "disgusting" without any sort of context. Newa flash, personal disgust isnt a thought, its not an argument, it's not anything but your discomfort about a topic you dont understand. If "that's disgusting" doesnt work for trans issues or homosexual issues, why would it work for this?
I find it ironic coming from Americans to decry fabricated sexual content involving minors as a demonstrable way to decreasing sex crimes (look up the psyche studies) in a country that regularly normalizes forced genital mutilation of newborns....I couldn't think of a more hypocritical stance between being outraged by fabricated sexual content, within a culture that has essentially universally defended and normalized infant sexual abuse via genital cutting. Dont think too hard charlie you dont get paid to do that, your stans clearly dont care either..
The part about the AI generated children was fucking insane. That would literally not work. It would make them want more
Couldn’t agree more. Not only would there be more CP, but there’d be some even sicker fucks giving the AI guys some sorta “Oh, but it doesn’t have the same spark to it as the original” bullshit.
It's been proven excessive P consumption of any kind will usually make you escalate and want more.
Tbh, many pedophiles literally suffer from being like that. Having a "healthy" outlet - such as porn or hentai - can help. Although, consuming too much porn isnt good for the brain anyway. I wonder if there is a study on the subject regarding pedophiles..
I honestly don't watch and don't want to watch porn of any kind, but there's a fine line that separates, that differentiates "consumption from time to time" from borderline addiction. Sure, some people that consume such content aren't straight-up pedophiles or porn addicts, but have their own reasons like you said, an "outlet". You're right, if there _is_ a study on the subject, it'd be interesting. I'm not a psychologist, so we'd have to leave the study to someone else. Till then, let's hope the metaphorical tree of the AI idea doesn't bear any fruit.
True but pick your poison not much else of an option if they haven't committed crimes then they're innocent and u cant just go kill people that are weird and creepy then your a murderer and goto prison for life so pick the lesser evil
quick thing, no you cant get arrested for lolicon in the US, they CAN use it as evidence if you have charges involving children, but you arent going to be prosecuted for loli alone
Makes more sense, no way someone gets locked up cus they happen to have a drawing on their phone
Twitch could very easily delete the VOD and Archive it for Police Investigations instead of straight up banning the Streamer for being the victim of a crime with LIVE evidence. Big L for Twitch and their rep
especially when they only give week long bans to women who have sex on their streams. They really are just biased pos.
Twitch mods and management are honestly just if someone gave twitter users actual power over others on the platform
@@neverever5467 Twitch is no cap one of the most rotten companies out there. To the core rotten shithole.
Most of these stories about the dark web aren't real.
@@neverever5467Reddit mods in a nutshell
The guy who thinks the fake cp idea would end abuse probably thinks that the Purge would end all crime in real life.
Crime wouldn't exist tho.. because it's no longer a crime 🤓
But it would!
...until it’s over, then it’d probably go back to normal if there isn’t a spike in crime tbh
you could kill everyone and there would no longer be murders happening 🤷♂️
Think about it like this, we have found it to be proven that violent video games reduce violent crimes. So why would some legal form of CP that doesn't harm anyone not reduce crimes against children?
@@OmniscientWarrior don't think that would be considered a healthy outlet.
My understanding of TOR is that it itself isn't the "Dark Web," but instead a way to *access* it made by the Navy. The thing is, it's very easy for the owners of illegal content to see if someone is accessing their content and the method they are doing so. If only the Navy uses TOR, then when the content owners see a person accessing them is using TOR they'd immediately know a Fed is watching them. So, the Navy decided to make TOR easily accesible and usable by the general public so that when the Content Owner sees someone accessing their content via TOR, they can't tell if it's a Fed or a Genuine Customer.
Is it really worth it though?
@@devboi2873 The way they worded it is weird. The simple way to say it is, "An anonymous service only used by the federal government isn't very anonymous. So if we open it up to everyone, it becomes much more anonymous."
@Liquid Tranquility I saw a story about an alien who ate space shrooms and shat himself on the deep web lmao.
Idk why people think it's all illegal scary stuff,It's really not. There's also a lot of conspiracy stuff on the deep wep too.
until they trace their ip address and ping it back to either an ip address that's been assigned to a federal network or just some coomer
@Liquid Tranquility goat of youtube comments coming with the Info fr fr
Worth mentioning, you can't arrest a person for "suspicion". Being suspicious is not a crime. Get your bag.
Me on my way to act as sketchy as possible while doing random, mundane shit.
In my country anyways, you can be arrested on reasonable suspicion however you can't be charged with any crime for suspicion
In the Netherlands you can definitely arrest someone for suspicion, if that suspicion is justified. But being arrested is not the same as being succesfully proscecuted. I think it's the same in other countries
Cops can detain someone with reasonable articulate suspicion.
its called being detained. unless the cop verbally says your being arrested and reading u ur Miranda rights, ur are being detained under suspicion. the guy was being sus for not saying his name and the cop had the ability to detain him. feel bad for him though, he got robbed and the police were abused so his neighbor could commit a crime.
The dark web was initially supposed to be a way for governments to talk to each other anonymously. However, to do that crucial role of talking to each other anonymously, you needed a way to saturate it. Hence, the dark web was born
Doesn't sound too far fetched but do ya got a source?
@@brokenlegs8431 lmao homie as if we'd ever know 😂
@@brokenlegs8431 No joke, the TOR darkweb software was originally from the Navy, but they realized that if only they used it, though people wouldn't be able to read it in the middle it would be like lighting up a bright signal saying "LOOK THE NAVY IS OVER HERE" if anyone saw TOR traffic. So they publicly released it and now you can't tell what's porn, drugs or actual military/spy usage.
@@brokenlegs8431 wikipedia lol
Nah the dark web existed before, TOR is just a way to access it
Tuv sacrifices his sanity and what not to bring to light this horrible shit. We don’t deserve such an amazing hero.
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no RUclipsr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear iam
bro monetizes the shit out of it lol but sure
man literally said he's fine and his mental state is unaffected?
hes not sacrificing his sanity
The mans name is “I am satire”, chill
The dark web is mostly used by people who live in countries with heavy restrictions on media. For example, a Russian right now might use the dark web to learn about the Ukrainian Invasion
What about westerners? They should use it too cause I guarantee you what you're being told by our media is just as bullshit as what Russia is selling to their citizens.
thats deep web youre talking about; its the unindexed part of the web. dark web is for illegal stuff
Wish I could use the dark web to see the hidden replies to this
@@phoebethesapphic7289 When it says 1 reply but there are no replies
4 replies but I only see 2
my favorite thing bout charlie is how chill he is like theres the streamers who like talk and act so differntly then other content creators other creators you can just tell they are differnt off camera but with charlie i feel like im hanging out with him
*Most common legal uses for Tor:*
*1.* Business people use Tor to keep their company strategies private
*2.* Activists use Tor to freely express their opinions and beliefs
*3.* Workers use Tor to fight for justice without fear of losing their job
*4.* Everyday people use Tor to avoid being followed by marketing ads
*5.* Bloggers use Tor to rally people toward social reform
*6.* Journalists use Tor to securely investigate stories they are reporting on
*7.* People use Tor to safely stay connected with their friends and family
Just a few examples for anyone curious…
and the us gov using it to do secure things
I just use it to soothe my autism
Thank you
Plus, it's great for being truly anonymous. Tor is great for that because almost everyone who uses it has the same fingerprint. It's near impossible to be anonymous through basic means, such as a VPN, and anti-tracking browser addons. The harder you try to stay anonymous on a public browser, the more unique your fingerprint is, so you essentially make yourself stand out even *more*, and it makes it extremely easy to be identified by someone. With Tor, you look the same as everyone else. You'd be surprised how many pieces of information, no matter how insignificant it may seem, can be used to identify someone. All the way down to the size of your monitor/application.
Yup in my country so much info is censored so its very necessary
“My mental health is great” “im gonna go play gta after this”. This man is absolutely suffering
Ratio + yb better + ur a baby + this u 🤓🤓👨🏼💻👨🏼💻👶🏽👶🏽
@@forgivezharion6989 ???
Yeah I didn’t get that GTA part lol
@@forgivezharion6989 ok
@@forgivezharion6989 L + ratio + no bitches + check ur privilege + touch grass
12:15
"Are Twitch staff just full of simps?"
Tuv, that's like asking if the sun is hot. Of course they are.
Hey look its the guy
Yooo
bro just enjoy the video man, then comment😭😭
HAHKSHAKAHSJAHAHA LITERALLY
Oh my fucking god. You're everywhere. I remember you had some Jellal profile. Sad to see it go, Now it's Garou
Charlies phone going off got me going crazy
I was looking for this comment lmao
came to find someone else. kept checking mine
Im actually really shocked Tuv has made it this far i remember just having a meme instagram and when he announced he was moving to youtube i was like this dude gonna be hella disappointed, but he actually made it good for him man
he gave me the " i knew him before he was famous" card
Fr, thought he was gonna die down.
I wanna like him, but I see just him as a cringy SOG, back when SOG use to make good content
Dude i was literally thinking the same thing but I never expected anyone else to remember. His name was Tuvhub and when I checked out his youtube channel I wont like I was like nah this is just another wannabe and I never believed he would come any further.
@@Shitposter-yp7dj I’ve only known SOG for a short while when was he making good content? Cuz I’ll sometimes click a video that seems interesting but his personality almost always makes me turn it off halfway through.
The main reason for the dark web is being able to freely browse the web. in china and tons of other places ( think N Korea, or Russia now) where people get killed or just disappear just for looking for certain things. it makes a safe place for journalists and anyone living oppressed to safely share and learn. THAT is the main reason for tor.
Yup a lot of countries do not have the same internet freedom we do in the west. There’s probably no practical reason for the average American to use the dark web but in many asian countries u can’t even look up the Bible in one or the Quran in the other, or talk freely about politics or sexuality like we can on twitter.
Surprisingly wholesome
I wonder how many people use it for that exact purpose
they dont use it in russia
@@Total-Wombat I have TOR installed, don't use it usually, you can get by with free WPN addons. Actually used TOR just to get some books.
@@cezanvaneeckhaute9520 LMAO yes, yes they do. They also use a lot of crypto sibce their money is in the shitter atm, it's basically a necessity.
Source: friend is Russian.
I had a coworker that would bring up the topic of AI child p*rn quite frequently, and he was unfortunately also on the ass-backwards reasoning of being in favor of it. He would mention it so frequently at work that some of my other (female) coworkers had to discuss our concerns to our manager. I'm not sure if he was every directly fired, but I was sure as hell relieved to see I wasn't scheduled to work with him anymore.
@@lewisthehappypufferfish.857 Morally fine? How do you think an AI that generates CP gets trained?
@@campeao36right
@@lewisthehappypufferfish.857 aint no way you called that shit morally fine...
@@lewisthehappypufferfish.857morally fine? Let’s watch the AI create a video of an adult violating a child then😭
@@lewisthehappypufferfish.857 The FBI cares 😁
15:20 not a bad friend for not fighting, bad friend because he didn’t flip the camera and start recording the mugger
To this day when I'm getting dressed I look at my webcam and wink. I've been doing it for years. I highly doubt my webcam ever got hacked and probably isn't even hackable now. But the idea that someone may be watching and all of the sudden I turn, look at them and wink, brightens my day. I'm the mastermind in this world, you're not secretly watching me, I'm hacking your mind and making you watch me lmao
@Higgs Bonbon sooooooo me
Lmao I literally do the same thing. I’ve had feelings someone may be watching me then just smile wildly or wink at my camera and tell them I love them.
You’re not a girl? Bruh if you were a girl I’d watch give me the link
@@OrderFromPain wtf is wrong with you LMAO down horrendously
@@OrderFromPain He's lost gents, we've lost another one.
"The only way to stop murder is to provide serial killers with AI generated victim to kill" i feel like im onto smt here.
edit: i get it guys there are games were people do that but stop d riding no one cares fr i was playing around yall are glazing me crazy its not that serious zip me up when yur done.
Amen brother
Literally Hitman
No, a research study for pro social behavior and aggression called the Bobo Doll study provided evidence that cathartic release or viewing of violence only promotes further violent behavior - it does not release the violent behavior
@trisday4716 lies, if I could kill virtual people I would spend more time doing that over what I usually do, which is pick up hookers and drop them into the forest, me and the guys try to see who can hunt her down the quickest. It's a ton of work. If we could do it virtually, we would probably take that alternative ngl.
@@King-in-Yellow i think u are trolling/kidding or I hope so, but I'm sure there are games out there where u can kill virtually if that is what u enjoy and that would actually be better if you do participate in those activities. I'm just saying that studies have shown in cases of catharsis (a release) for viewing criminal activity such as pornography or violence has shown to increase these behaviors and escalate them
"The only way to stop meth addiction is by providing addicts with ai generated meth." Brilliant!
Thank you I needed a good laugh
3D Printed Meth
i mean in the Netherlands they provide heroin addicts with heroin for free while they are in rehab.
they do this with clean needles to not be dangerous
they do this to steer people away from buying it on the streets and killing that market
and to not have them have side effects from cold turkey while they are in rehab
Breaking Bad 2
Seriously though that logic is dumb as shit. Do people that watch porn a lot not want to have sex themselves?
0:49 not even a minute in and we got the CIA participating in Red Rooms
Just a slight correction on the legality of loli content: While federal law outlaws loli art, Title V Section 502 provides a legal defense if the loli content does not involve any actual minors. This keeps people from using the "it's just art" defense if they used a real minor or event that actually happened with a minor to draw their piece but allows people who didn't involve a real life minor at any point to use the "No victim, no crime" defense. BUT to use that defense, it can't be "indistinguishable from reality" so the AI idea that somebody mentioned that would produce realistic content would not fly
Thank god
you know too much, wtf
Iirc drawn loli was illegal until the law that said it was deemed unconstitutional or something along those lines but I don't remember the exact reason why.
Ultimately the legality is highly uncertain in general because people are rarely prosecuted for it.
I don't think anyone besides a lawyer is qualified to have an opinion on the legality of any drawing that could be construed as depicting a minor in the USA.
Canada is a lot more litigious about this kind of stuff, I wouldn't call anything for sure legal over there.
In general if you live in North America treating all drawings of fictional characters like you would treat banned literature is probably wise. Censorship is alive and well it would seem.
Whew I was scared for a second thought I had to delete my hard drive 😅😅😅
That Hollywood shooting incident was actually insane and something for the history books, glad Charlie talked about it on stream for people who never knew.
for anyone curious, check out Count Dankula's mad lads video about it. absolutely insane story, even before the shooting
when I was 7 I actually saw it on a documentary. It was really interesting.
Yea I never knew abt that's that's scary af
When did this happen ?
crazy how two dudes in full gear of armor and illegally modified weapons managed to not kill anyone except for themselves while escaping from the bank
Imagine getting carjacked and getting told to put your phone down on the ground and you say “I can’t I’ll get banned from Twitch”
I genuinely don't have the ability to imagine myself saying that.
@@Delightfully_Witchy 😂
@@Delightfully_Witchy I can. If I get shot it's on vod
Someone can clip me getting clipped
@@felkun8741 😂
“Why are you guys always asking about my mental health, I’m doing good, I’m gonna play GTA after this.”
As if playing GTA is the hallmark of a mentally sound man, or something. Hahaha
I am 22 minutes into this video and all the footage just from this video about “Tuv” screams some bad shit.. his pop up for “RUclips” right after that were NOT the RUclips colors and that alone screams some shit.
I think he was implying that he does some f*cked up shit to the npcs 😆
Actually makes me super sick to my stomach to even hear that the “youngest actor” was 4 days after birth and “newborn smoothies”. I truly want to believe that’s not real but holy fuck, even if it’s fake, who in the actual fuck thinks of that
Fake or not... this is just...ffs even calling it sick isn't enough.
If it's not fake...god help that poor baby.
Hope who ever made that sick shit gets blended while he is still alive.
I wouldn't be surprised but yeah, kinda disgusting tbh
@@Tyrvana
KINDA?!
@@yams.4308 I try to not think about things to not have it bother me and being emotional is exhausting now days for me.
Basically i don't want to feel utterly disgusted.
@@Tyrvana
Fair enough. That’s relatable actually!
The dude who actually had the balls to rob his neighbor after having him arrested is such a chad move
Dont read my name tho😑
giga chad
The video's been up for 3 minutes, how do you already know what happens?
@@KaseyC. cus I’ve seen the video that the thumbnail is before
real chads will walk in while the homeowner is making lunch
I'm pretty sure at least 90% of those dark web ads are FBI honeypots
there is much less than you think. 80 000 sites are illegal, its safe to assume there are a good 200-300 fbi sites.
99% more likely..
@@NahajaFIT Traps set by the FBI
Thats not true, a big percentage are just your average exit scams, frauds, snake oil and so on. Even all that drug selling sites are real but 95% are exit scams and the rest is legit.
Also, the feds need a couple of months to take over a drug site on tor, so if you buy the first weeks and than switch sites youre pretty much safe, except from scams...
That's just what we all hope...
The North Hollywood Shootout is used for the opening scene in the movie SWAT. Much of the footage used was actually from the real shootout. A deleted scene showed the officers acquiring the rifles from the local shop.
It is honestly mind boggling how Tuv can be a YTer who covers the darkest, most deepweb shit and still be as naïve and immature as he is. My brother in Christ, you clicked the link to these horrid sights, you can't be surprised that they're horrific lmfao
I guess it's more or less an act of sorts. It gets grating after a while. Like wow needless to say xyz is a horrible event, thing etc I now need to harp on that point needlessly. Im just as disgusted as you viewer etc thing. Annoying af 💀💀😂
I feel like he's more like YOU shouldn't do it, he does it because he just does he says it's horrific so you don't decide you need to see this and end up getting scarred.
@@penisinlargementpills2511 I feel like it’s more informational. I mean someone has to take the bait and like he said his mental health is good. Shit I don’t even wanna remember what he said. It’s gonna take a while for me to forget
What boggles my mind is how the tf he doesn't know what an Avtomat Kalashnikov 47 is XD
@@NarutoMagicCyclops I feel like he just sees the name "AK-47" and thinks that's the full name of the gun.
Man I got so paranoid about the webcam thing, so I put another barrier to cover my camera. I remember there being something about certain companies putting mics and cameras into TVs and other appliances too. I don’t remember where I saw it but that was like ten years ago. This topic always brings me back to that scene in the dark knight where Batman is using the citizens phones to map the city... creepy stuff.
they are putting them but only with basic circuit to listen certain frequency. its the emergency system.
sounds like some real 1984 Orwellian shit, they mention in the book that surveillance devices are in everything but not all of them are monitored at the same time, so as a citizen you have no way of knowing for sure which one is monitoring you at any given moment, or if you are even being monitored at all.
It's way easier than that. You have these literal monkes plugging in Alexas into their internet.
“When your done, put your name in the computer”
@@shoyupacket5572 Yeah, this is why I hate the idea of a "smart home". The only electronics that should be "smart" are PC and mobile phones. Anything beyond that is just BS
“I can give the cliff notes”
*proceeds to tell the whole story in detail from start to finish*
He said there’s a lot more nuance.
Late to this video but in certain countries where censorship is terrible TOR is an absolute blessing. It also hides it's users by making them all look the same so it's nearly impossible to identify someone as long as the host device or network isn't compromised.
To clarify in the US Loli is legal. The reason many claim it's illegal is because they always refer to the protect act which was deemed unconstitutional later. Even the FBI and Organizations aimed at helping children ask that people not fill the reports with loli as it's wasting resources towards helping actual children.
@@forgivezharion8500 Lost Twitter user
@@forgivezharion8500 why are you sending selfies of yourself
It might be legal, but it's still messed up.
@@PattyWagon69420 at least no one is getting hurt
Loli is gross
I still love this relationship between Charlie and Tuv. Charlie watches Tuvs videos, and Tuv appreciates Charlie and watches his content off stream. Love it.
ikr?
The saddest thing I ever saw was a documentary about Peds. The police woman responsible for reviewing all the files and content found on suspects pc’s pointed out that she’d find thousands of vids of kids.. thousands of vids of full assaults on kids as young as 2… the saddest most screwed up part she pointed out was the time stamps. Some vids were up to 10 years old.. thousands of unidentified kids abused from 10 years ago that can’t be found… that are still on an unknown place/situation 10 years later.
Watching these darkweb/iceberg videos always remind me of Wendigoon's finale on the end of the "serial killer iceberg" videos.
He doesn't forget to tell people that humans are incredible, and there is so much people working to make good of our society. That stuff like these are just one in a million cases whose perpetrators will end up facing consequences for their actions, and that good will always end up rising, no matter how long it may seen.
It's the stuff that some people have in their minds, with unfortunately many people do not and end up doing harm to others or even themselves. So leave this note, these are lone cases which are not repeated, soon enough this will be erradicated and the degenerates will be caught.
Nonetheless its going to be hard for people to just let something slide or leave "a man" behind. Looking at it saying these are just "coincidences" is truely just wrong. Everyone is a Miracle in itself.
In case anyones curious, the most casual use of the dark web is to avoid government censorship. Not all too common in America but a huge problem in countries like China and Russia.
THANK YOU
It's a major problem in us.
I accessed the dark web for about a minute and then freaked out just being on there and clicked off immediately. It showed up on a background check that I had accessed it. I didn't even explore it or anything. Just don't go there.
@@loriloo1039 Most likely because you didn't use a VPN to access it. There's nothing illegal about accessing the dark web itself.
@@giantgrowth4204 still can't compare it to countries like China or Russia tho
Funnily enough, when I was a LOT younger, I did have Tor and did use it for really simple stuff. It’s because my mother was incredibly sick and would spy on everyone constantly through the ethernet or something. I didn’t know what the dark net was and thought Tor would help me hide the fact I was online. I was small and dumb, and didn’t really know how to use it anyway so I just stopped.
@@Instabruh.User.. do any of us care .?
@@Instabruh.User.. find a cooler name first then I'll consider your offer once you do that.
In highschool we would use TOR to bypass the school districts filtering system. Overkill for the task, but it worked. Using TOR doesn't make you dumb. Using TOR for stupid shit makes you dumb.
@@Instabruh.User.. no
Y'all Instagram User is a Bot. Just ignore them
I feel like there should be way more time, money, and energy put into stopping this kind of shit
they do put a lot of effort into it but theres so much they have to pick what to go after and wait for the bad guys to slip up. when a site gets taken down a new site usually pops up by the same people. its a hard thing to manage
I mean it's mostly fake
Guy just read shit off reddit. Blatantly fake if you know anything about the deep web
The majority of these "offers" are part of that effort. These are honeypots, baits, traps set up by government agencies to catch criminals and predators.
there is, they just dont use it for those purposes
as soon as they shut down one site, another pops up. it’s a truly terrible job and the people doing it are mentally exhausted from constantly putting up w it.
Y'know up until last night, the most I knew of you was through vids on reels, of the meme of you going "woooo" but from what I've watched, you've earned a subscriber
I recall that as a kid around 2013-2015 I was visiting my best friend like usual and his cousin was there this time, we were on a laptop on some sort of chat roulette watching crazy people, suddenly the cousin opened another site that just showed people on their devices without them realizing them being watched, as a kid I didn't even realized what was going on and shrugged it off as funny, now I realize it was highly illegal and even scarrier to know that it was so easy to spy on people, a fkin child could just easily walk into a voyeurism paradise, think about that...
I remember using the family computer one day and I found the website.
Yeah, I found the website of peoples home cameras etc. i weirdly watched one video and my god I wasn’t sure if they knew or not. If it was consensual or not… it was so weird.. but I remember someone had a cute display of cushions on their couch 😂
You should report whoever’s computer that was on
@@thuggwaffle8825 what use would that be?
The subtle flex where you can see Charlie made 2M from 2019-2021. Nicely done Charlie. Respect the hustle.
I noticed and started looking through the comments to find someone else who saw it too. The way he was nodding showed a slight hint of respect for the people who hacked twitch.
Charlie Hustle
@@jasonfatdog6491 slippin Jimmy
It's still fucked how much you can make by sitting and recording yourself playing games and talking
@@mojavecourier6987 it’s still fucked how people can play a sport and get paid millions
Charlie: *looks at the list with streamers paychecks and his name is on it*
Also Charlie: *ignores that his paycheck is on video*
I said the same thing 😂
Exactly 😂😊
whats with this weird horrendous meme format in comments????????????
@@davescomputercorner6015 It has been going on for a long time and it is very awful. Got used to it, but still hate that it became a thing.
Wait what? Did i miss something in the video? Im actually asking
I remember watching an interview with the former head of MI6, and I could see that he had a bit tape covering the webcam of his laptop.
I’ve had a cover on mine ever since. If the head of MI6 doesn’t trust his webcam neither do I
For anyone looking, a brief, vague run down: The dark webs purpose is anonymity. The navy developed it to encrypt messages so that they couldn't be traced back to an individual by monitoring traffic. A TOR network is built up of nodes which are essentially other computers running the software. When you transfer data/make a request etc you send it through 5 of those nodes, the request is encrypted from the furthest to closest and each layer has the address of the next node in the chain. In short it protects the data being able to be traced back to anyone. Its not necessarily all illegal drugs and weapons...sometimes murder, sometimes leaking government secrets and maybe a little anti government stuff in those countries where you get jailed for thinking about not liking your rulers.
My school showed us a documentary which included a website (I’ve forgotten the name) which allows you to get into peoples webcams if they aren’t password protected. There was one guy who used to go through and access the webcam and microphone to scare and warn the people who are vulnerable.
The problem is that when one of my classmates (who gave off bad “nice guy” stalker vibes and was proven to have stalked a girl in the past, leaving her a creepy note in her door) remembered the site and boasted about getting it to work. He boasted that he could even get it to work in the common room as he knew the IP of the common room WiFi and would then use a password guesser to basically go through every single variation of the IP in order to find someone available on the network.
I’m glad the guy he managed to get into was told immediately and he got a punch in the face for it.
7:44 Crazy how the AK is a gun most of the planet is aware of, and yet you just give the general name of Kalashnikov instead of AK and a bunch of people have no idea what it is
Do people just not know what the K in AK stands for? Idiots
I LOL'd at "Kalash-knee-koff rifle...don't know what that is..."
Gun education is pretty bad.
True
If he thought it was worth mentioning, why wouldn’t he take two minutes to do the slightest bit of research… he would have seen AK or AK47, and if he didn’t recognize that… then we should not listen to this dude.
Bro the web camera roulette sounds like a good way to discover abuse with no one else knowing it happens
6:15 Charlie got scared then
Charlie's faith in humanity is surprisingly wholesome and inspiring
Bro you are beautiful
@@vicm8750 thank you, thats really kind. I can't see ya face but I can see your heart is beautiful
111th 👍
You should do Ferris cosplay
It’s great to see how much Tuv’s channel has blown up last few months. He deserves it
Agreed
Dont read my name tho😑
@@MbitaChizi this joke died 25 years ago
Ya. He said hes been really depressed lately so at least he has his youtube. Def well deserved
it is but the combo of his videos being reviewed by the moist man are still my favorite.
I legit couldn't continue watching. This video was just souring my mood too much.
I know right. tuv has that effect
here's a question: Is twitch, banning/taking down channels that have captured crimes... illegal? because technically that would be obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence, which is punishable up to 6 months in prison.
@Impaleification Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, they must have like back up drives of all the streams.
There is a law called 230 where they have to take it down
@@loganmain4244 I imagine that they are also obligated to hand over any evidence (streams) that may or may not be of use to the police? I know sites like Facebook always say "We cooperate with police" and all that.
@@BakaTaco I remember the time when Apple straight up refused to open a guys phone for the fucking FBI just because they wanted the publicity of seeming pro privacy. Don't think anything happened to them.
@@deathwish-gg8wz That is extremely messed up, and I hope something was done about that.
Tech companies and sites should be held accountable (as should the users) for what is on their site/reporting crimes/abiding to police. They are NOT above the law, despite their often crappy behaviours.
the one offering baby smoothies seems mainly like a honeypot made to separate psychos from their money. there is nothing advertised on there that isn't available in some form, but it all seems far too extensive and impractical for a group to meaningfully provide all of those services. especially the custom scenarios one, Skully managed something like that but it's exceptionally rare and not very realistic to be able to pick and choose as many details as they offer. could be real though, maybe those guys are the Amazon of the deep web or something
Most dark web sites hold the cryptocurrency in escrow until the buyer confirms they received what they ordered so you can’t just take the money and send them nothing. On the other hand you could go the the butcher and get some pig parts and blend them how would the buyer know? I believe it is probably police like half of the dark web sites.
I heard of a story of a chat room were they convinced a 15-year-old girl not to kill herself
Loli isn't illegal in the US, it was ruled constitutional free speech by the supreme court. However if you get charged for actual possession of real CP they can add the loli as an additional charge for being "obscene material".
I think a few countries still ban it doesn't it? I think netherlands is one of them
@@Aether776 wait WHAT
@@Aether776 umm >.>
@@Aether776 yeah canada recognise loli as actual cp, the sad thing is when they were debating about it, some of the politicians said if you look at loli your gonna do things to actual children
hate all of this replies
"Ka-Lesh-Neekav rifles never heard of those..."
A Kalashnikov is an AK-47
The more you know, a PSA
AK = Avtomat Kalashnikov (Kalashnikov was the inventor, and the 47 comes from the year.)
They also have a 74, 12, and 15.
I laughed at the way he said it I have never heard anyone try and pronounce it that way not even people with zero weapons knowledge
Uhm actually, a AK-47 is a kalashnikov since AK stands for Avtomat kalashnikov and there are other AK’s. 🤓
@@flef6514 this! Good information. We like facts 🎉
One very interesting thing about the dark web is that journalists from different countries go on there so they can report on things from their countries where freedom of speech is not allowed.
can confirm
The newborn stuff is horrifying, my baby’s 12 days old, asleep next to me. How could anyone do that to a person, especially a baby??
tuv: "kalash-nee-kov? Never heard about that"
Man's never heard of the most iconic weapon ever made
prolly cause everyone just knows it as AK
Big russian gun
Can't imagine growing up without a dad or grandpa who had an encyclopedic knowledge of war.
@@halfsquat24 dude no
@@user-ol5tu9rl2h its true
This made me depressed that people are so horrible and disgusting. It’s too scary
U can’t get depression just from this ☠️
@@rl37b U are part of the problem
But me too girl is so sad. We’re here for you
@@Azad_Kaiser he's not, hes just saying how it is, its no secret people are psycopaths, we've seen it throughout history and sometimes we still see it, and as a person with a life of our own, we need to live and get past this kind of sheet, we can let ourselves go down for stuff like this, this stuff always existed, and most probably, will keep existing.
@@Azad_Kaiser so are you
The cam stuff is actually really scary to me because recently every time I turn on my camera I sometimes hear a sound effect that implies a photo being taken. But only through my headset. Maybe it's some problem with my pc but I can't find any answers online. And it scares me more since I'm a girl and I'm aware about people hacking into cameras. 😵💫
Edit: This was basically almost a year ago now but I did solve the problem LMAO. This is now something that doesn't really bother me anymore. My camera had a messed up keybind where it was just taking photos of me randomly. I fixed it and now I normally just flip my camera at my ceiling when not using it. Thanks to the people who gave me suggestions though. Just me being plain stupid until a few months ago.
Tape over the camera when not using it; post-it note if you actually use it sometimes
Heya, if youre really worried, you can write down the timestamps when you hear something, then check detailed system logs. It should be possible to see if camera was on, and maybe even if a photo was taken, because if you hear the sound that suggests someone watching would not have used their pc to screen, but rather your pcs build in functions, which should show up. Anyways, its probably nothing and just a background app doing some harmless updates or something with a badly chosen sound.
Put white out over your camera
Download an anti-virus and tape the camera.
That's why I put tape over the camera
Twitch banning accounts where crimes happened to someone or near them, out of their control, thus making the videos inaccessible, should be treated as tampering with evidence
I can’t believe that in the early 2000s I could just stumble upon a beheading *on RUclips* , I really didn’t need that forming my primitive years
Edit: yes I know you can still find that shit but it’s less common now to accidentally see stuff like that
unfortunately, you still can
@@flef6514 r/fuckt has joined the chat
@@flef6514 not really, unless you're on reddit one of the most shittiest social media communities lmao
i mean, you still can, tho sometimes not that easily. around 2 years ago i was sitting in a normal telegram channel about meme vids, not privated and the amount of ads it had with gore channels is astounding 💀
the funniest thing these channels didnt use gorey ads as a way to draw attention to their channel, they were posting gore stuff on a regular basis 💀💀💀
Stumbled? They were sending that shit around my school for free lol.
I would hang out in a deep web chat room, and the people there were kinda chill. Obviously I was super depressed at the time, and someone calmed me down from my suicidal thoughts. Sometimes, a person would come in asking for CP and everyone would be like fuck off.
Interesting,
What's CP?
@@dimitri6171 club penguin 😊
@@dimitri6171 cod points
@@dimitri6171 chicken parm
This how Charlie bought his yugioh cards.
Dont read my name tho😑
@@forgivezharion8500 bro what?
Christ the amount of bots in the comments is fkn appalling
@@forgivezharion8500 your adopted
Ratio + yb better + ur a baby + this u 🤓🤓👨🏼💻👨🏼💻👶🏽👶🏽
"Kalashnikov rifles? Never heard of that"
"Nobody is dumb enough to buy shit with a credit card on the dark web. College kids? Nah, I dont think so."
Oh, Charlie.
Yes it was Dell!! I was 5 when my mom was 23, maybe 24, and she had just got hers. I had been playing a game on it when I fell asleep and then I woke up to a green light in my face. It was the webcam light turning green and the camera app popping up. Seriously terrifying but after that night we really truly knew how much scarier the world would get. Every computer, tablet, phone we have is ALWAYS faced down when not being used
Damn. Do you remember what the site was called?
Since you asked about the Twitch Policy to crimes, it gives them a leg to stand on when the legitimacy of the crime comes into question if someone is suspected of faking crimes for views. Or the staging of actual crimes. It would be super easy to have a "stranger" commit crime x and "accidently" catch it on stream. It's much simpler to just ban them all and sort it out later.
doesnt make sense for youtube to allow it in that case
Why banning?? Just remove the VOD, they can do that easily.
Was in sodapoppin's regulars discord i think or sub, and were streaming. Then a guy comes in and says the N-word several times. I reported the dude and sent the timestamp of the VOD, the dude got a warning by twitch and they never deleted my vod. This was also back when this whole shitfiesta of bans happened. So tbf twitch do take it seriously.
"but he got blasted"
-In prison for 18 years.
Charlie, he is definitely still being blasted.
8:12 when they said 4 days after she was born i literally started sobbing. that’s fucking DISGUSTING. poor baby
especially because they called her "actor"?? It made it sound so casual.
Sounds like edgy people using the script of A Serbian Film for shock value.
@@CFootprints dammit I was gonna respond with "This is cinema!"
@@DaveSpen NEW. BORN. PORN!
@@writerintherye exactly. It was so disgusting
I remember that shootout. I’ve lived my entire life in and around North Hollywood. I was 18 when this happened. It was the first time I saw someone shot down before. It happened in real time on live television. It was so disturbing and also so unreal. I mean, I knew it was happening and it was so close but it just seemed so impossible. These men looked like Stormtroopers.
@Pierce Moore are you saying that because they killed cops?
@Pierce Moore Please delete iFunny and get the help you so clearly need. Never have children.
@@CeruleanGaming Please delete reddit and get the help you so clearly need. Never have children.
@Pierce Moore Just never have children
@Pierce Moore who are those guys??
TOR was made by the navy to send secret communications, but since they were the only ones using it people could tell when the navy was using it, so they made it open so that it wasnt as obvious when they were using it as it would be drowned out by other people's communications
Burger and fries
Its actually sad that laptops are now sold with built in covers.
Charlie can talk about anything, and RUclips does not dare touch his channel.
He is a force of nature. No RUclips staff can handle the raw power of Jesus himself.
Say it again
We need someone like him talking about absolute degeneracy with some decent sanity
Why upset your cash cow?
no literally cuz how many times has he shown dildos on this channel
Tor was made by the DoD, which the Navy falls under.
Oh, and the thing about the AI that generates fake CP photos... any AI/ML algorithm that they implement would require tons of REAL photos in order to train it. So yeah... that idea is disgusting.
Yea we know
6:12 "oh what!! Really?" Sus
7:15 the cut to him bashing on himself immediately made me giggle
Just to piggyback on the Narcissa Wright thing a little bit, I think part of the reason she stopped speedrunning initially was because she developed a wrist/forearm injury from speedrunning due to some of the tricks she had to do constantly. She wasn't able to do it anymore and that may or may not have played a part in the declining mental health. She did a lot of questionable stuff after that though that I don't remember clearly enough to talk about, but you can find minidocs on her on RUclips if you're really curious.
He is a deranged and delusional lunatic and always has been. He needs serious help. I hope he is getting the help he needs. I havent followed him at all though in a very long time.
@@Instabruh.User..
You’re an impressively bad troll
*he
Can we have the full lore
i hadn't even heard of her until she became really controversial but i was never super into the speedrunning community to begin with
I try to keep my camera blocked at all times. It's so gross to imagine someone can just watch you without you ever knowing. It happens way more than anyone thinks. Some people are stalked because of it though.
Kinda, modern camreas less so, most of that type of things comes from unprotected cctvs and old tech.
As long as you aren't dumb enough to download a virus, you should be fine.
I do too! I keep a sticker over my laptop and front facing camera on my phone
@@deezboyeed6764 it has legitimately nothing to do with the camera, it has everything to do with hidden malware in js, hidden malware in downloads and not being secure
Eh, if it happens to you you probably deserve it
It'd only happen if you were stupid enough to let it happen. Take your own security seriously or get off the internet
Third option is just accepting whatever happens