Detroit Firefighter's are the hardest working men!!!! Right when the first alarm rings, they haul as as fast as they can!!!! They go ball's out!!!! They need more equipment, don't have enough!!! Detroit, give them what they need!!!!! They are so great.....💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍!!!!!
Reverse lay is fine if another pumper is right behind you. In this case they should have set up their lines , maybe a deck gun, and let the next due engine lay to the hydrant
@Jody Rockhill the way Detroit does it, is they have 2 11/2's bundles attached to a gated Y that connected to a 3". They drop the bundles in front of the house and the engine goes to the hydrant, then charges the 3"
Aren't there arson fires every night in Detroit? These houses look abandoned ( primary has pallet for front stairs and exposure has none) which probably explains the non-urgency ?
Line for occupied house on left 1 3/4, but the line for the fully involved has to be 2 1/2!! You must knock down the main body and stop the extension into the exposure, to protect the crews operating in there. Too long to get water, possibly a bad hydrant. In my time if we saw a good hydrant before the fire I had the MPO grab it, because you never know what shape the next one is.
That fire should have been 90% knocked down on both houses with the Deck Gun on tank water by the 1:00 mark. A booster line could have handled mop up. Also, on tank water.
@@JB91710You’re right but the thinking in Detroit is if they leave a partially burned house standing the locals will use it as a drug house. So once they get rolling just let ‘em burn right to the ground. It took DFD 4:46 to start throwing water with an exposure lit up. IMO they should’ve done more faster to mitigate the exposure house…and deck gunned it.
Before you criticize DFD, consider this. Detroit has 53,000 abandoned homes thanks to the 2008 housing debacle and 2012 DFD budget cuts. Detroit has not only abandoned homes but entire abandoned neighborhoods (include my old one). These buildings were totaled on arrival and there were no exposures. If DFD puts them out they still must be town down by the city (and they could sit there for years before that happens) - at even more cost. Detroit should be glad they still have a fire department. Lots of blame to go around here. But none of it belongs to the DFD.
Why should DFD waste time, manpower and resources on dilapidated houses. Once it's determined no one is inside and there's no occupied properties at risk, let it go. Let it collapse on itself and burn into the ground. Two less eyesores for the neighborhood to contend with.
The city of Detroit has been going down the drain long before the 2008 financial crisis, decades of corruption on all levels from mayors all the way up to the governors office, greedy unions also played a part, and the race riots in the 1960s led many people and businesses to leave and not come back. Which leads to lost tax revenue, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime continues. It's possible for Detroit to make a comeback to It's glory days, bit that would take a complete change of leadership along with investors willing to sink millions of dollars to clean up and rebuild what was lost.
First sensible reply I've seen. Everyone criticizing DFD for this response is just showcasing that they have absolutely zero comprehension of the situation. With the attitudes they have, 90% of the commenters on here wouldn't last a week on one of our trucks or engines.
My pops DFD 56 TO 76 ,back injury (s) had him early retire Falling through main floor on a house fire into the basement. Anyhow DFD is the best in the country!!
In Europe the truck is almost spraying water before it gets to the fire. In America it seems like they have to get together, discuss the situation and then maybe start spraying water. Hard door to open? Skip the window, just try a little later. Right now I’m looking at 10 guys standing around watching a fire. Oh wait. I forgot they get paid by the hour.
There are thousands of abandoned, dilapidated houses in Detroit. Absolutely no one cares if these buildings burn down. In fact, it's better for everyone if they do. Yet another example of Europeans showing their inferiority complexes while we bail their continent out yet again through our support of Ukraine. When are you going to just accept that we're superior to you and that you're just dead weight?
In Europe they use garden hoses and fight fires as the same as they did in the 1940's These were abandoned buildings, literally no need to rush and risk a FF getting hurt
You know, a deck gun assault when they got there would have made a lot of difference. Over 4 and a half minutes to the first charged line. I get we don't need to youtube firefight, but come on.
@@phantompiper2262 Or you could stop being so narcissistic and realize that there is zero point to extinguishing it. Long abandoned neighborhood with zero exposures. Let it burn and then fill in the hole to get rid of the problem
It's not 'old school'. It's a reverse lay and it actually makes sense when you watch it done by people who know how to do it well. One of the rigs on my department is actually set up with this kind of deployment in mind... because we have properties with crazy set-backs that do NOT allow us to get close with your typical amidships pre-connects. When we pull up... and we dump our hose packs and some extra 5 inch, the guys we drop with all that, can advance toward the home, often across a small bridge over a ditch, that could NOT sustain the weight of any of our rigs. They can advance up to the fire with plenty of line to set up shop with, to go in and do the business. That's an initial attack line, AND a back-up line. Meanwhile, the pumper pulls off and stretches either to the hydrant, or to a mid-point between the fire and the nearest hydrant where another engine drops their tail to them and goes to the hydrant to do a relay. The road in front of the involved property? Still open... I can have EMS come in and go on-deck for rehab, or to contend with occupant injuries. I can also have another unit pull through and dump ladders and tools for an equipment pool, and pull off to get out of the way. In Detroit's case... keeping the front of the building clear of engines, means that they've got ALL the room in the world for ladder companies in the front, if they're needed in a defensive posture. The option is an ace-in-the-hole for them. Between FDNY and Detroit... there aren't too many other fire departments in the US, who have as much experience with a variety of different structure types on fire. They do what works, and what they do has been pressure-tested in the real world. If you want to be a firefighter that really knows their business, you pay attention and go to classes put on by highly experienced folks from Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Cleveland, San Francisco, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, and other places that are veritable BANKS of credible experience. They don't get much better than Detroit.
I lived in Detroit most of my life and you cannot get insurance for most of these homes. Just don't live next to an abandoned house or you're screwed cuz it will burn down and take yours with it!
@@firemedic801 the politicians have zero impact on how long it took these guys to get water flowing, which took over 4 minutes, they had the truck, the lines and a water supply, 4 minutes is embarrassing. You can whine all you want about politicians, but it’s down to the guys on the fire ground how quickly they make the fire go away. Do you think they really needed to flake out 1000ft of attack line?
About 20 years ago I rode a LOT of shifts ( training) with E31 S4 in Detroit. Back then I asked why they aggressively went interior on these abandoned dwellings instead of letting them burn down. I git SCHOOLED at that point that it " is NOT our job to let them burn, it's our job to put them out". Since then though, I guess the city has changed ordinances to let them burn down and then it's a cheap, quick clean up of the lot, and it eliminates another drug house. Seeing how these guys responded to this Box Alarm, that appears to be exactly what the plan was..........to let them burn down. When I was there, it was standard practice for the first due engine to dump the monitor whole we were stretching, then the FEO would go catch the hydrant, and the 2nd Engine due would set up in front of the house.
Approximately 4:45 to get water flowing to the 1st hand line, then they piss on the big fire, instead of trying to save the exposure. I don’t understand, unless both were abandoned. I do understand allowing abandoned buildings to burn down.
Before you all start busting on these guys remember this is Detroit. FD is being paid below minimum wage, department is prone to equipment and infrastructure failures. Most equipment on the scene would have been retired by other departments long ago. And let's not forget the residents constantly setting abandoned buildings on fire for entertainment. They should just let these two burn down and prevent future calls to the same location. I can't believe anyone is still willing to work for the Detroit FD.
I am so grateful for American construction companies. No other country produces so many spectacular fire video's. The timber houses burn like no other. Something we have lost in Europe since hundreds of years. Keep woodworking guys. Thank you so much!!!
@@paullandreville5394 Obviously they would have had to stop in front of the building to use a deck gun but they probably would have been able to knock it down and then go to the hydrant or else my then a 2nd and he would've arrived to supply water! All I did in this case was drop a line and run to the hydrant. It still took forever to get water on the fire and they had so much hose on the ground it took the latch untangling it to make it usable.
So sorry you ran out of battery that was an incredible fire video! As finances allow you definitely want to show up on the scene with three or four ready to go freshly charged batteries. What an inferno!!!
4:47 into the video with dry hose tangles in a web, 20 fire fighters getting into a door and 1 3/4” line on heavy fire load. Classic for a deck gun knock down and quick connect to hydrant. They had given up on both homes on arrival.
Several minutes went by while they took their time laying out hoses, and once nozzles were in hand still NO WATER. Yea, the first house was a goner by the time they got there, but they could have minimized damage to second house. I guess its now the policy of Detroit FD to just take your sweet time and let it burn.
They did exactly what they should have. It's abandoned buildings that should have been torn down years ago. There is zero reason anyone on that fireground should have put their life in danger to save an unsalvagable building
As a former volunteer firefighter, I’m curious why it took so long to get water onto the fire. Sloppy hose deployment; and a deck gun would’ve made a huge, initial difference in beginning to get the fire under control until they were finally able to lay in, get the supply line charged, and then finally deploy and charge attack lines or even ground monitors.
Deck gun gives you about 90 seconds of water. With the situation Detroit is facing, there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to risk their lives on an abandoned structure. Take your time, get everything set and everyone goes home.
Agreed , however my first thought is first due in should have stopped , deployed hand lines and pumped from tank then second due in should have layed LDH to first due in
believe it or not Detroit has actually been slowly turning thing around a bit as of late. Detroit can take care of business much faster if necessary but in this case the fire engine needs to be a few houses down to be more protected. No need to add any additional risks when all you are doing is putting out some flames in some structures that should have been torn down years ago. Had this fire been in far was Detroit the response would have been way different. Detroit has an SOP for every fire and if they need they can respond just as well as any other major fire dept.
It looks like it was their first day on the job and their first fire.if you live there, better hope you never have to call them,if so,just count it a total loss.
99% of the houses that catch on fire in Detroit are vacant abandoned and run down as 8 year veteran of the fire department myself I can tell you when it comes to houses like that there's no need to rush let it burn But I've seen other videos of the Detroit fire department And I can tell you when it's a occupied house or dwelling as they say in Detroit they hustle
Was the fire dept practicing urban redevelopment? I mean it looks like they were standing around taking turns trying (kicking) to open the front door and no one thought of going thru the window and both homes were vacant
It's unsafe to go through the window of an abandoned vacant house like that you don't know if the floor is there if there's a hole in the floor if the floor is strong enough to hold the weight that's a dangerous move
2 "Bandos"... Thing is, most of these derelict houses aren't really worth risking lives and equipment over, but the fires still have to be brought under control... However, in whatever remains of some neighborhoods of Detroit, an arsonist or vandal could effectively torch everything on the block, and it _STILL_ wouldn't threaten anything inhabited!
Exactly finally somebody who knows something about Detroit I'm sitting here listening to all these arm chair Firefighters who know nothing about how this job is done giving their opinion About how slow these guys are moving not knowing that the Detroit fire department is some of the most bad a** firefighters and one of the best fire departments in the United States with the limited resources and money problems that they have.
@@bigredd690 - I'm not a firefighter, my uncle was one (although not for Detroit), and he always pointed a few things out to me via fire documentaries... I also lived in the Detroit Area during my adolescent days back in the 70s, and remember when many of the auto plants were still operating, and those now empty neighborhoods (Some in which the very nature that was there when the French explorer Cadillac founded the city over 400 years ago - is now reclaiming the land) still were very much occupied and lived in...
Wait, why isn't 2nd-in deploying a master stream on the fully involved structure while water is being established and a 2 1/2" handline on the exposure when water is on.
@@JS-zb1vv in my rental houses when I replaced doors I would wrap a sheet metal 2x4 over the wood 2x4 and screw them together good luck breaking in the door.
DFD runs like crazy... alot of these guys are beat down... not like some of you guys who get one of these a month or less and are always fresh and ready to bounce
It's all about their work ethic, not their physical or emotional condition. Firefighting just ain't that hard! Two REAL firefighters could have knocked this down by the 1:00 mark and mopped it up by the 5:00 mark.
@@JB91710 You seem to have a lot to say coming from someone who comes from such a slow ass po-dunk jolly volly department. DFD runs more jobs in 1 month than you've ran in your whole jolly volly "career". 60-70% of the houses burning in Detroit are abandoned & dilapidated. Are they slow? Absolutely, I'm not making excuses, but I can also understand their situation. They run AT LEAST 2,000 fires A YEAR. Some years ago, it was closer to 4,000. That's 10 fires A DAY. That wears on a person after a while. Anybody who agrees otherwise is obviously clueless and has never been a real firefighter worth a shit.
I retired from LA. Co and was assigned to FS 16’s. We covered or assisted Parts of Los Angeles City, Huntington Park, Watts, and Compton. We could easily get three or four structures a day! We have a responsibility to be at our best every time the tones dropped! It would have been better for the first in to utilize the deck gun to accomplish a good headway prior to hand lines being deployed! I make no judgments however, I wasn’t on scene and so I bring no accusations against my brothers on the line. I am says we make no excuses! Get the job done efficiently and efficiently!
@@bondservantministriesinc.672 I have 33 years with LAPD... I've been working alongside the JTTF / providing support for them and FD personnel assigned to that for the last 14 years... We were on scene at the Boyd Street fire the day after it happened investigating and preparing the long road for prosecution of those responsible for that incident.. I'm very familiar with the county firefighters from Battalion 13... Hope you're having a great retirement
@@bondservantministriesinc.672 You HAVE to make judgement calls and put these people on the spot to explain their incompetence. You can NOT use the catch phrase, "I wasn't there" to give yourself an excuse for Protecting your brothers." That's BS! They should have done exactly what you said. No Excuses!
i know what its like to lose everything in a fire, it sucks, luckily for others nobody lives close to me. it was a very windy cold night and the fire was very wind driven.
As a former volunteer firefighter, I see that it took 4 minutes and 40 seconds to put water on the fire. If the truck had a booster reel, water could have been deployed within 30 seconds. PLEASE do not give me that crap that booster reels cannot fight a house fire-I have done it, literally, hundreds of times. Look at videos of fire departments in England, Ireland and in Japan-they use booster reels. This nonsense that you got to pull hundreds of feet of hose, untangle it, wait for a water supply, all while other firefighters mill around with tools in their hands. Yeah, this is Detroit and they are poorly funded, but they could benefit from watching English, Irish and Japanese firefighters work.
So good example of well it's toast,,, and it's easier to clean up Ash's than half burnt mess,,,, no rush guys,,,,, but the other home was saveable so not down the hots spots and do what we can to save one of em
Can someone please explan why there are so many firemen standing around but so little water actually getting onto the fire, why not get another hose working, I know there is probably a good reason
cant understand why you need 500 ft of hose to reach 75 ft. they could have the fire out wile their draging out all that hose and getting all the kinks out of it
All valid observations. Good video for “what did they do well and what could our department do better”. As another morning quarterback…. Consider a deck gun to reset the fire, they could pull hose differently, get water on the fire faster, train on forceable entry and lose the lackadaisical fire scene tactics.
Honestly how long it take to get actual water on fire Jesus, guy standing there looking at the nozzle like he’s never seen one, they are toast but at least make it look like your trying
@@JB91710 No. not at all. Having 10 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off never put out a fire. As for the length of time it took for water, do you know if the FEO hit a bad hydrant and had to go to another block. Just my observations.
i cannot understand why it took 2min 30sec+ from the arrival of the engine to water on the job, there just seemed to be a spiders web of hose in front of the job. and before any comment i did 30 year operational service if the Fire service
Genuine question, not one of those annoying Monday Night Quarterback post's, do US engine companies carry water, if so how much? Here in the UK our engines (pumps as we call them) have 400 gallons. I'm just wondering why the nozzle guy waited so long for his water? Bad hydrant?
Our trucks have thousand gallon tanks, enough for about 10 minutes running 2 1 3/4 lines. Usually we pull a pre connect and get water on the fire while supply is taken care of, either by dropping the 8" LDH hose and a hydrant man while the truck goes to the fire, or getting a portable tank set up and shuttling operations going with tankers.
@@dave1135 The problem is, USA departments don't like to eliminate the flames quickly. Takes all the fun out of being a fireplayer. 95% of these videos prove that statement.
Once I heard "where the f#@K is the water" I realized yet another cluster f#@K. They got there and deployed but WTF happened? I will say I'm no firefighter, my hat is always off to all of them across our great country.
This looks just like the house on Winkler BLVD . SOMEBODY SET IT UP ON FIRE. They fixed it, but nobody wanted to live in it. Till I moved away. Vacant. You can burn our neighborhood. But, you can't erace the memories.
How about 1st Engine lay in from the Hydrant so you only have short attack lays and water on fire off the bat. Never understood the concept of dumping attack lines in front of dwelling then leaving to get Hydrant waste of time and effort
I thought fire-fighters turned up to put fires out ... looks like these guys arrived to watch it all burn. 😪 shame about how slowly the remedy started.
Thank You firefighters, you did a great job!!!!!
Detroit Firefighter's are the hardest working men!!!! Right when the first alarm rings, they haul as as fast as they can!!!! They go ball's out!!!! They need more equipment, don't have enough!!! Detroit, give them what they need!!!!! They are so great.....💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍!!!!!
Looks like they need water…
My favorite line from a firefighter waiting for water: “Where the f&%k is the f$#%ing water?” I could feel his frustration.
Where's the water that's embarrassing.,🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You can tell these guys are in no hurry . Seems the house on the left coulda been saved but they watched it burn
Just another day proving that deck guns are...just truck bling.
Your comment proving you know nothing about firefighting
I want whatever deadbolt is on the house on the left. LEGIT.
I know that Detroit is expert at reverse laying to a hydrant, but, this was a tank water job from the start.
Should’ve dumped the monitor
Several years ago I rode with E-31 S-4 Several shifts, 31 always dumped the monitor while we were stretching. 🤷♂️
@@DJ88Masterchief That's what I was thinking.
Reverse lay is fine if another pumper is right behind you. In this case they should have set up their lines , maybe a deck gun, and let the next due engine lay to the hydrant
@Jody Rockhill the way Detroit does it, is they have 2 11/2's bundles attached to a gated Y that connected to a 3". They drop the bundles in front of the house and the engine goes to the hydrant, then charges the 3"
As a former fire captain, I feel for Detroit firefighters doing the best they can with little or no funding.
Don't hurry guys
if the city of detroit defunds the police or fire dept, they deserve what ever they get.
I think that's all of the large cities. They're worth their weight in gold.
@@piushorning4869. Same for Philly. Philly has a idiot Mayor.
How about training you can buy fire engines with 500 gallon tanks or 750.. You could’ve protected that exposure much quicker their training sucks
Deck gun would definitely have made a huge difference
I've said this over & over on these videos. Not every FD uses deck guns, inc. the FD I work for.
@@46fd04
Every department should. I think it's one of the most valuable tools that the fire department has these days.
Quickest, cheapest and easiest.
@@beckytwister01 Do me a favour? Call my boss and tell him.
Water one have been helpful.
I was just about to post this lol
Aren't there arson fires every night in Detroit? These houses look abandoned ( primary has pallet for front stairs and exposure has none) which probably explains the non-urgency ?
Way to get it done,😐if y'all were any slower you would be going backwards
Deck gun, Deck gun Deck gun.
Amen!
Oh look another wannabe deck gun warrior 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I find water works very well in the situation like this. Just saying.
😂
Nah I thought gasoline worked better in a situation like this
Line for occupied house on left 1 3/4, but the line for the fully involved has to be 2 1/2!! You must knock down the main body and stop the extension into the exposure, to protect the crews operating in there. Too long to get water, possibly a bad hydrant. In my time if we saw a good hydrant before the fire I had the MPO grab it, because you never know what shape the next one is.
That fire should have been 90% knocked down on both houses with the Deck Gun on tank water by the 1:00 mark. A booster line could have handled mop up. Also, on tank water.
@@JB91710You’re right but the thinking in Detroit is if they leave a partially burned house standing the locals will use it as a drug house. So once they get rolling just let ‘em burn right to the ground. It took DFD 4:46 to start throwing water with an exposure lit up. IMO they should’ve done more faster to mitigate the exposure house…and deck gunned it.
@@JB91710 100% agree that deck guns are way under used. I’m retraining our department to justify why it wasn’t our first action.
@@mikehoysler4322 Yes, they absolutely should have saved the exposure. If for no other reason but to prove they could do it.
Before you criticize DFD, consider this. Detroit has 53,000 abandoned homes thanks to the 2008 housing debacle and 2012 DFD budget cuts. Detroit has not only abandoned homes but entire abandoned neighborhoods (include my old one). These buildings were totaled on arrival and there were no exposures. If DFD puts them out they still must be town down by the city (and they could sit there for years before that happens) - at even more cost. Detroit should be glad they still have a fire department. Lots of blame to go around here. But none of it belongs to the DFD.
Why should DFD waste time, manpower and resources on dilapidated houses. Once it's determined no one is inside and there's no occupied properties at risk, let it go. Let it collapse on itself and burn into the ground. Two less eyesores for the neighborhood to contend with.
The city of Detroit has been going down the drain long before the 2008 financial crisis, decades of corruption on all levels from mayors all the way up to the governors office, greedy unions also played a part, and the race riots in the 1960s led many people and businesses to leave and not come back. Which leads to lost tax revenue, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime continues. It's possible for Detroit to make a comeback to It's glory days, bit that would take a complete change of leadership along with investors willing to sink millions of dollars to clean up and rebuild what was lost.
Well said and totally agree. They ruined a beautiful city
First sensible reply I've seen. Everyone criticizing DFD for this response is just showcasing that they have absolutely zero comprehension of the situation. With the attitudes they have, 90% of the commenters on here wouldn't last a week on one of our trucks or engines.
My pops DFD 56 TO 76 ,back injury (s) had him early retire Falling through main floor on a house fire into the basement. Anyhow DFD is the best in the country!!
In Europe the truck is almost spraying water before it gets to the fire. In America it seems like they have to get together, discuss the situation and then maybe start spraying water. Hard door to open? Skip the window, just try a little later. Right now I’m looking at 10 guys standing around watching a fire. Oh wait. I forgot they get paid by the hour.
There are thousands of abandoned, dilapidated houses in Detroit. Absolutely no one cares if these buildings burn down. In fact, it's better for everyone if they do. Yet another example of Europeans showing their inferiority complexes while we bail their continent out yet again through our support of Ukraine. When are you going to just accept that we're superior to you and that you're just dead weight?
In Europe they use garden hoses and fight fires as the same as they did in the 1940's
These were abandoned buildings, literally no need to rush and risk a FF getting hurt
Wow that house was built well and stood up to all that fire!!
Thanks for the First Responders...thank you all for your service
They are not first responders, they are Firemen
You know, a deck gun assault when they got there would have made a lot of difference. Over 4 and a half minutes to the first charged line. I get we don't need to youtube firefight, but come on.
Agreed. This is hard to watch. When you have as many fires as DFD, you should start to get better at fighting them after a while.
@@phantompiper2262 Or you could stop being so narcissistic and realize that there is zero point to extinguishing it. Long abandoned neighborhood with zero exposures. Let it burn and then fill in the hole to get rid of the problem
Probably the 5th fire or so for that shift/ crew...even the best get tired after a while...
@@aaronjwalkerga or maybe they just aren't that good that department to east of them would of had water on already and fire wood be out
These were abandoned buildings, literally no need to rush and risk a FF getting hurt
Amazing how long it takes to get water on fier
Definitely agree Deck Gun would have been a good choice then go for the hydrant
When are they going to figure out you don’t stop at the scene of a fire pull all the hose off and drive away. Old school this is crazy.
It's not 'old school'. It's a reverse lay and it actually makes sense when you watch it done by people who know how to do it well.
One of the rigs on my department is actually set up with this kind of deployment in mind... because we have properties with crazy set-backs that do NOT allow us to get close with your typical amidships pre-connects.
When we pull up... and we dump our hose packs and some extra 5 inch, the guys we drop with all that, can advance toward the home, often across a small bridge over a ditch, that could NOT sustain the weight of any of our rigs. They can advance up to the fire with plenty of line to set up shop with, to go in and do the business. That's an initial attack line, AND a back-up line.
Meanwhile, the pumper pulls off and stretches either to the hydrant, or to a mid-point between the fire and the nearest hydrant where another engine drops their tail to them and goes to the hydrant to do a relay.
The road in front of the involved property? Still open... I can have EMS come in and go on-deck for rehab, or to contend with occupant injuries. I can also have another unit pull through and dump ladders and tools for an equipment pool, and pull off to get out of the way.
In Detroit's case... keeping the front of the building clear of engines, means that they've got ALL the room in the world for ladder companies in the front, if they're needed in a defensive posture. The option is an ace-in-the-hole for them.
Between FDNY and Detroit... there aren't too many other fire departments in the US, who have as much experience with a variety of different structure types on fire. They do what works, and what they do has been pressure-tested in the real world.
If you want to be a firefighter that really knows their business, you pay attention and go to classes put on by highly experienced folks from Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Cleveland, San Francisco, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, and other places that are veritable BANKS of credible experience.
They don't get much better than Detroit.
Can you still get insurance, with an FD like this ?
I lived in Detroit most of my life and you cannot get insurance for most of these homes. Just don't live next to an abandoned house or you're screwed cuz it will burn down and take yours with it!
@@firemedic801 the politicians have zero impact on how long it took these guys to get water flowing, which took over 4 minutes, they had the truck, the lines and a water supply, 4 minutes is embarrassing. You can whine all you want about politicians, but it’s down to the guys on the fire ground how quickly they make the fire go away. Do you think they really needed to flake out 1000ft of attack line?
About 20 years ago I rode a LOT of shifts ( training) with E31 S4 in Detroit. Back then I asked why they aggressively went interior on these abandoned dwellings instead of letting them burn down. I git SCHOOLED at that point that it " is NOT our job to let them burn, it's our job to put them out". Since then though, I guess the city has changed ordinances to let them burn down and then it's a cheap, quick clean up of the lot, and it eliminates another drug house. Seeing how these guys responded to this Box Alarm, that appears to be exactly what the plan was..........to let them burn down. When I was there, it was standard practice for the first due engine to dump the monitor whole we were stretching, then the FEO would go catch the hydrant, and the 2nd Engine due would set up in front of the house.
Yeah get busy , water!! Chop chop
My Dad was DFD 58 to 76, forced retired from back injuries
Squad 2
glad to see I'm not the only one screaming deck gun. I feel bad for the fire fighter " where's the ______ water??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NICE VIDEO JUST WISH THEY WERE LONGER. WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF IT FROM FIRST THERE TO MOP UP.
I try my best
Approximately 4:45 to get water flowing to the 1st hand line, then they piss on the big fire, instead of trying to save the exposure. I don’t understand, unless both were abandoned.
I do understand allowing abandoned buildings to burn down.
Before you all start busting on these guys remember this is Detroit. FD is being paid below minimum wage, department is prone to equipment and infrastructure failures. Most equipment on the scene would have been retired by other departments long ago. And let's not forget the residents constantly setting abandoned buildings on fire for entertainment. They should just let these two burn down and prevent future calls to the same location. I can't believe anyone is still willing to work for the Detroit FD.
That's no excuse.
@@gordonjeffery2062 Fifth sentence is a great excuse.
This is 75% of most volunteer departments. Working with little or no equipment. FOR FREE .
Thanks Josh for the great video!
Tell him to buy extra battery!! And or ? Well keep it charged kid lol
He always cuts (fires) way short , I don't get it
I am so grateful for American construction companies. No other country produces so many spectacular fire video's. The timber houses burn like no other. Something we have lost in Europe since hundreds of years. Keep woodworking guys. Thank you so much!!!
Can’t figure out if that’s a compliment or an insult. 😂
@@nanachick05 both 😂
Hey, nothing burned like Dresden did when we firebombed it into oblivion! Seriously, we should just leave you guys to the Russians.
Maybe quick use of a deck gun could have saved the house on exposure 2.
Why do these departments never use deck guns?
Yep. Totally required a deck gun. I speculate that they don't train on them so they don't come to mind when deploying.
The initial pumper drove down to the hydrant for a water supply. To far away for deck gun.
@@paullandreville5394 Obviously they would have had to stop in front of the building to use a deck gun but they probably would have been able to knock it down and then go to the hydrant or else my then a 2nd and he would've arrived to supply water! All I did in this case was drop a line and run to the hydrant. It still took forever to get water on the fire and they had so much hose on the ground it took the latch untangling it to make it usable.
Because some FD's don't have Deck Guns, that's why
@@46fd04 considering they are Req by ISO I believe every new truck delivered in the United States has one!
So sorry you ran out of battery that was an incredible fire video! As finances allow you definitely want to show up on the scene with three or four ready to go freshly charged batteries. What an inferno!!!
Just enjoy the video
4:47 into the video with dry hose tangles in a web, 20 fire fighters getting into a door and 1 3/4” line on heavy fire load. Classic for a deck gun knock down and quick connect to hydrant. They had given up on both homes on arrival.
My truck does not have a Deck Gun, but it has plenty of 2.5 inch (65mm) hose. That would've been my first attack line, not 1.5 inch
I'd love to see some exigency on the part of the FFs, but hey, it's Detroit.
If they in there, they toasts anyhow
DFD in 60s n 70s rocked da house lol 🏆
I get it. You let Abandoned houses burn so that the city can create new vacant lot!
Several minutes went by while they took their time laying out hoses, and once nozzles were in hand still NO WATER. Yea, the first house was a goner by the time they got there, but they could have minimized damage to second house. I guess its now the policy of Detroit FD to just take your sweet time and let it burn.
shouldn't an engine have ~500-1000 gallons of water on board? might be a good idea to use some of that right away...
Why?
These were abandoned buildings, no need to rush
How about the sense of urgency in getting hoses charged and containing the fires. Watching this makes me appreciate our FD even more.
You don't have to be a jackass.
They did exactly what they should have. It's abandoned buildings that should have been torn down years ago. There is zero reason anyone on that fireground should have put their life in danger to save an unsalvagable building
@@anthonyl950 every FF on this scene should be fired
As a former volunteer firefighter, I’m curious why it took so long to get water onto the fire. Sloppy hose deployment; and a deck gun would’ve made a huge, initial difference in beginning to get the fire under control until they were finally able to lay in, get the supply line charged, and then finally deploy and charge attack lines or even ground monitors.
Deck gun gives you about 90 seconds of water. With the situation Detroit is facing, there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to risk their lives on an abandoned structure. Take your time, get everything set and everyone goes home.
Agreed , however my first thought is first due in should have stopped , deployed hand lines and pumped from tank then second due in should have layed LDH to first due in
Abandoned homes. They want them to burn so they don't have to deal with them later.
@@jdaz5462 It's not an issue of wanting them to burn or not, it is an issue of why put people's lives at risk to save something that is unoccupied
@Anthony L It's both.
believe it or not Detroit has actually been slowly turning thing around a bit as of late. Detroit can take care of business much faster if necessary but in this case the fire engine needs to be a few houses down to be more protected. No need to add any additional risks when all you are doing is putting out some flames in some structures that should have been torn down years ago. Had this fire been in far was Detroit the response would have been way different. Detroit has an SOP for every fire and if they need they can respond just as well as any other major fire dept.
Detroit probably didn't pay the water bill. This is what 3/4 of Detroit looks like.
It looks like it was their first day on the job and their first fire.if you live there, better hope you never have to call them,if so,just count it a total loss.
99% of the houses that catch on fire in Detroit are vacant abandoned and run down as 8 year veteran of the fire department myself I can tell you when it comes to houses like that there's no need to rush let it burn But I've seen other videos of the Detroit fire department And I can tell you when it's a occupied house or dwelling as they say in Detroit they hustle
4:02 "Where the fuck is the fucking water?" Good question.
Was the fire dept practicing urban redevelopment? I mean it looks like they were standing around taking turns trying (kicking) to open the front door and no one thought of going thru the window and both homes were vacant
It's unsafe to go through the window of an abandoned vacant house like that you don't know if the floor is there if there's a hole in the floor if the floor is strong enough to hold the weight that's a dangerous move
I too feel sorry for them -- 5 minutes just to get one hose working on that huge fire.
2 "Bandos"... Thing is, most of these derelict houses aren't really worth risking lives and equipment over, but the fires still have to be brought under control... However, in whatever remains of some neighborhoods of Detroit, an arsonist or vandal could effectively torch everything on the block, and it _STILL_ wouldn't threaten anything inhabited!
Exactly finally somebody who knows something about Detroit I'm sitting here listening to all these arm chair Firefighters who know nothing about how this job is done giving their opinion About how slow these guys are moving not knowing that the Detroit fire department is some of the most bad a** firefighters and one of the best fire departments in the United States with the limited resources and money problems that they have.
@@bigredd690 - I'm not a firefighter, my uncle was one (although not for Detroit), and he always pointed a few things out to me via fire documentaries... I also lived in the Detroit Area during my adolescent days back in the 70s, and remember when many of the auto plants were still operating, and those now empty neighborhoods (Some in which the very nature that was there when the French explorer Cadillac founded the city over 400 years ago - is now reclaiming the land) still were very much occupied and lived in...
Doing the city a favor letting it burn to the ground
Now I know where the term "Slower than dirt" comes from. Going to loose 2 homes.
Wait, why isn't 2nd-in deploying a master stream on the fully involved structure while water is being established and a 2 1/2" handline on the exposure when water is on.
Because a know-it-all hero like you wasnt there to tell them what to do
@@virgilhilts3924
Fuck off. I was asking a question.
@@chuckg2016
I know... and I clearly answered it 😆😅😂🤣
Have they ever heard of a deck gun?
Please republish your article about deck guns.
Maybe DFD don't have deck guns. The FD I work for don't have them either.
4-1/2 minutes to water…dang
FIRE DEPARTMENT SURE WASN'T MOVING VERY FAST THAT DAY 😡😡
Forceable entry training? Maybe I’m missing what’s taking so long to force that residential door .
Detroit enough said. More door locks then a bank vault.
@@michaelatoz580 probably so
@@JS-zb1vv in my rental houses when I replaced doors I would wrap a sheet metal 2x4 over the wood 2x4 and screw them together good luck breaking in the door.
Is this a controlled burn ?
Got fed up of waiting for water.
Good information to know. Now scram.
@@RLTtizME LMAO.
This is what happens when u build houses too close together, I see this everywhere, there should be be minimum distancing for housing.
Great video. Pity it was short but still well filmed 👏
6:26 minute video. Thank you for commenting. I appreciate it
DFD runs like crazy... alot of these guys are beat down... not like some of you guys who get one of these a month or less and are always fresh and ready to bounce
It's all about their work ethic, not their physical or emotional condition. Firefighting just ain't that hard! Two REAL firefighters could have knocked this down by the 1:00 mark and mopped it up by the 5:00 mark.
@@JB91710 You seem to have a lot to say coming from someone who comes from such a slow ass po-dunk jolly volly department. DFD runs more jobs in 1 month than you've ran in your whole jolly volly "career". 60-70% of the houses burning in Detroit are abandoned & dilapidated. Are they slow? Absolutely, I'm not making excuses, but I can also understand their situation. They run AT LEAST 2,000 fires A YEAR. Some years ago, it was closer to 4,000. That's 10 fires A DAY. That wears on a person after a while. Anybody who agrees otherwise is obviously clueless and has never been a real firefighter worth a shit.
I retired from LA. Co and was assigned to FS 16’s. We covered or assisted Parts of Los Angeles City, Huntington Park, Watts, and Compton. We could easily get three or four structures a day! We have a responsibility to be at our best every time the tones dropped!
It would have been better for the first in to utilize the deck gun to accomplish a good headway prior to hand lines being deployed! I make no judgments however, I wasn’t on scene and so I bring no accusations against my brothers on the line. I am says we make no excuses! Get the job done efficiently and efficiently!
@@bondservantministriesinc.672 I have 33 years with LAPD... I've been working alongside the JTTF / providing support for them and FD personnel assigned to that for the last 14 years... We were on scene at the Boyd Street fire the day after it happened investigating and preparing the long road for prosecution of those responsible for that incident.. I'm very familiar with the county firefighters from Battalion 13... Hope you're having a great retirement
@@bondservantministriesinc.672 You HAVE to make judgement calls and put these people on the spot to explain their incompetence. You can NOT use the catch phrase, "I wasn't there" to give yourself an excuse for
Protecting your brothers." That's BS! They should have done exactly what you said. No Excuses!
i know what its like to lose everything in a fire, it sucks, luckily for others nobody lives close to me. it was a very windy cold night and the fire was very wind driven.
A deck gun would have prevented a lot of damage to the exposed house on the left
Yes
As a former volunteer firefighter, I see that it took 4 minutes and 40 seconds to put water on the fire. If the truck had a booster reel, water could have been deployed within 30 seconds. PLEASE do not give me that crap that booster reels cannot fight a house fire-I have done it, literally, hundreds of times. Look at videos of fire departments in England, Ireland and in Japan-they use booster reels. This nonsense that you got to pull hundreds of feet of hose, untangle it, wait for a water supply, all while other firefighters mill around with tools in their hands. Yeah, this is Detroit and they are poorly funded, but they could benefit from watching English, Irish and Japanese firefighters work.
For all the good it d8d they basically just sat and watched it burn,catching on5o the next housem
So good example of well it's toast,,, and it's easier to clean up Ash's than half burnt mess,,,, no rush guys,,,,, but the other home was saveable so not down the hots spots and do what we can to save one of em
Can someone please explan why there are so many firemen standing around but so little water actually getting onto the fire, why not get another hose working, I know there is probably a good reason
All you need to pass as a Detroit firefighter is 2 things 1: how to let the fire spread, and 2: how not to get water to a fire😅😂
cant understand why you need 500 ft of hose to reach 75 ft. they could have the fire out wile their draging out all that hose and getting all the kinks out of it
Love the Monday morning quarterbacks here.
All valid observations. Good video for “what did they do well and what could our department do better”. As another morning quarterback…. Consider a deck gun to reset the fire, they could pull hose differently, get water on the fire faster, train on forceable entry and lose the lackadaisical fire scene tactics.
What, are you jealous of people who can think?
The truth hurts, Shawn.
Honestly how long it take to get actual water on fire Jesus, guy standing there looking at the nozzle like he’s never seen one, they are toast but at least make it look like your trying
@@JB91710 No. not at all. Having 10 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off never put out a fire. As for the length of time it took for water, do you know if the FEO hit a bad hydrant and had to go to another block. Just my observations.
Wow it took some time to get water on that fire
i cannot understand why it took 2min 30sec+ from the arrival of the engine to water on the job, there just seemed to be a spiders web of hose in front of the job. and before any comment i did 30 year operational service if the Fire service
They need funding that's for sure......👀👀😱😱😱
What is taking them so long for the water
Bashing Detroit is hilarious. It's 2 vacant buildings with absolutely no exposures. Busting your ass for a bonfire. Lighten up armchair chiefs.
Whoever set this fire will face the wrath of god when the meet him
Where did he go for the water..Canada?
That's another reason not to live so close to another house.
where the hell ls the water
Deck guns only, dont risk a FF life in abandoned structures, oh might want to carry tank water.
No sense of urgency...all those guys and 1 fire hose on that house...
That's a serious and unfortunate fire!😓
How about a Deck Gun when they first arrived..
Genuine question, not one of those annoying Monday Night Quarterback post's, do US engine companies carry water, if so how much? Here in the UK our engines (pumps as we call them) have 400 gallons. I'm just wondering why the nozzle guy waited so long for his water? Bad hydrant?
Most US fire engines carry 500 gallons of water.
Our trucks have thousand gallon tanks, enough for about 10 minutes running 2 1 3/4 lines. Usually we pull a pre connect and get water on the fire while supply is taken care of, either by dropping the 8" LDH hose and a hydrant man while the truck goes to the fire, or getting a portable tank set up and shuttling operations going with tankers.
In NYC we carried 500 gals.
We carry 750 on our pumpers
@@dave1135 The problem is, USA departments don't like to eliminate the flames quickly. Takes all the fun out of being a fireplayer. 95% of these videos prove that statement.
How come it s taking them so long to put water on this thing
Detroit is so antiquated on fire attack.
Once I heard "where the f#@K is the water" I realized yet another cluster f#@K. They got there and deployed but WTF happened? I will say I'm no firefighter, my hat is always off to all of them across our great country.
Vacant structure, confirm no one in secondary structure, then controlled burn , save city resources . Less mess to take care of after the fact.
Nice footage
This looks just like the house on Winkler BLVD . SOMEBODY SET IT UP ON FIRE. They fixed it, but nobody wanted to live in it. Till I moved away. Vacant. You can burn our neighborhood. But, you can't erace the memories.
Shouldn't even waste time, effort, resources on these anymore... just let the whole dump burn
You can’t do that
@@jashfire
A cleansing of the city by fire is just what that dump needs
Well done guys After 15 minutes on arrival extinguish water. That house can no longer be saved. You need to practice more speed. terrible 😡
why are they so slow in turning the water on
Bad hydrant
I honestly, if this was my house, I would have just grabbed the hose from them, and turned the water on and fight the fire myself
Bad fire hydrant
How slow can you be to put water on fire. Amazing
what the heck are you waitting for, put water on it
I don't understand why they don't use quicker and more effective Firefighting foam. Especially on the second house.
Cost. Foam costs money. Detroit doesn't have any.
How about 1st Engine lay in from the Hydrant so you only have short attack lays and water on fire off the bat. Never understood the concept of dumping attack lines in front of dwelling then leaving to get Hydrant waste of time and effort
Do any of those engines have a deck gun?
Yes
Firenado came out of the roof from the house on the left.
So many departments just refuse to use deck guns, why?
good question
Maybe coz they don't have them. My FD does not have deck guns.
DFD uses them often, go watch other videos especially fires where businesses are and hard working middle class people reside inside homes 😁
I thought fire-fighters turned up to put fires out ... looks like these guys arrived to watch it all burn. 😪 shame about how slowly the remedy started.
Shame you you know nothing about firefighting or what you are even looking at