Responding to David Falk’s Misogyny
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- David Falk recently thought it would be a good idea to misrepresent and then speak in a misogynistic and condescending way about Francesca Stavrakopoulou. In this video I respond to his rhetoric.
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What's it called when someone gets an Oxford education, dedicates a lifetime to study and research, becomes a published author, and professor in their field? Oh right, window dressing
Few thoughts....
1. Great video response! Calculated and to the point.
2. I seriously doubt David Falk has read Professor Stavrakopoulou.
3. Everyone knows Francesca is brilliant and well articulated, which makes her stand out among the ivory tower of scholars.
4. I hope more people stop taking him seriously on Biblical matters, which makes me wonder how serious is he taken in his own field of Egyptology?
Can you give some examples of how Falk is a bad apologist? So far far Dan has shown how easily he will hand wave an argument away for poor reasons but he recently responded to Bennet about Osiris. As predicted by Bennet, Falk misrepresented, missed the point and cherry picked. What else does he do?
@@dannysanchez7217 Well, isn't that enough to show that his reasoning is flawed? Do we have to list 10,000 points? The stuff from Dan McClellan is enough.
@@PoeLemic I know, i just struggle to articulate myself at times so because of that i always 2nd guess if i have the right idea about someone.
@@dannysanchez7217 Danny, we all struggle to articulate ourselves; or, at least, I do. That's why I get onto RUclips and practice conversing with people. Because I'm not a degreed scholar or anything in this particular domain (i.e., Biblical history or whatever). But, I love getting on YT and learning from the scholars that come onto MVP (above). So, I hope I gave you a good reply, because I hope that I didn't misunderstand. If I did, I apologize and am sorry.
@@PoeLemic i'm just asking for other ways Falk is unreliable as a scholar and examples.
I read God's Anatomy which admittedly took me quite a few weeks/ months in that I usually read in bed and regularly fell asleep within 30 minutes. That said FS is anything but lightweight contrary to this gentleman's opinion.. I particularly enjoyed her appearances on The Big Question where she held her own against radical religious zealots. My wife and I are going to England in August and would love to meet the person who helped me make the transition from Christian to Atheist.
It's also shocking how shallow his analysis is. He says her analysis that he "doesn't care for her work", "odd", "weird ideas". He doesn't attempt to refute it with other citations, translations, or other analysis.
‘When you start doing theology by cup size’
Woah wth did that come from?!?
She doesnt want you bro, move on.
What's the URL of David Falk's video?
ruclips.net/video/nMFRDIncoB0/видео.html
@@maklelan Thank you!
As a 70 yearly woman who had had to deal with misogyny me entire life, thank you. Your response to Falk was fair and accurate.
@@tsemayekekema2918No one stated a lack of misogyny as a truth or even a desire.
He’s supposedly “apologized” in a community post for being rude. but really he just doubled down on the accusations that Francesca and other female scholars are sexualizing themselves to spread their views.
He even linked a specific picture of Francesca in a reply to me as some kind of evidence for how she was being provocative. It was literally just a picture of her holding a book.
Falk is probably malding because incel king, Andrew Tate, has been taken into custody.
That just reveals the low content of Falk’s mind. It’s good to see the level of his scholarship to ignore him in the future.
So.... she's a good-looking woman. That means she's using sexuality to support her points. Wonderful reasoning.
I just love how liberals use that oow bar of what is considered "sexualised" to absolve literally everyone of the accusation of using appearance to lubricate their way to success; it's this same silly logic that's used to reject valid accusations of sexualization in sports where men are extremely modest but females are in underwear
His idea of sexualising seems to just be being a female he finds attractive then. What a strange fellow.
The positive thing about Falk's response is that it's so overtly misogynistic, it draws attention to what female scholars, especially those that look conventionally attractive, have to contend with.
I doubt Falk has actually familiar with Stavrakopoulou's scholarly work. Maybe he perused her latest book, which as a work of pop scholarship/public education is not necessarily representative of Stavrakopoulou's broader scholarship. From what I'm hearing though, it would seem he merely watched some youtube video's of interviews and lectures.
Stavrakopoulou has a popular, accessible style. She's also comes across as somewhat irreverent in her public speaking, and I think it's likely Falk is basing his impression on that. So it's pretty dishonest for to pretend he's familiar with Stavrakopoulou's scholarly work. But, like you said: his audience simply wants to be affirmed that they can discount the evil, bad atheist Bible Scholar with her 'crazy' ideas about God having a literal body according to the Old Testament. I guess they're getting what they're paying for.
Anyone who has read Francescas work or seen one of her online appearances, can see that she's extremely knowledgeable and has superb explaining skills. Thats the main reason why she is featured so often. Mr. Falk should be ashamed of himself and owes an apology for his insinuations.
I've done both. I have an Mdiv and a Master of History of Religion and Comparative focused on the Ancient Near East and East Africa at the University of Uppsala and keep up studying and attending online Higher Seminars at the Jerusalem University. God: An Atonomy ought to be an introduction book to all studies on the Religions of The Ancient Near East
Nope:
ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html
Correct! She has all the skills that make an excellent professor. Knowledge, an engaging writing style, eloquence and great conversationalist skills, wit, assertiveness, and empathy. She's a great role model for younger scholars.
He did apologize.
Based on this video: ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html&ab_channel=ABCTV%26iview, I'm not impressed at all by her. She's quite a liberal scholar.
I think this singular bit from Falk should discredit him to the entire field permanently, personally.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 if this is how they act in the space of ideas, then their ideas don't merit being heard.
@@chrish4309 Even better, let them act like this and say such ignorant things. Then, all of us can refer back to this (later on) to show how poor their reasoning was.
I have seen the comments, I do think they are extremely rude and he shouldn't have said them.
HOWEVER, they have to be put into context.
This is from a 3 hour livestream he does every week on his channel. People are going to slip up and say something dumb if you film them for 3 hours every week; they're not perfect.
Making someone an outcast for one such a slip-up is a massive overreaction.
@@goodtoGoNow1956
Well of course it comes from somewhere. He clearly doesn't like Stavrakopoulou or her academic opinions and lashed out here with extremely uncharitable assumptions.
But again, this is a tiny cross-section of his livestreams, most of which are more straightforward. He has sharp (maybe too sharp) academic disagreements but mostly steers away from the personal. Over hours and hours and hours of livestreams something out of order can pop up.
Nope. She is cringe. ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html
If I ever doubted that men shaming women for their “attractiveness” is really men projecting their own attraction and guilt onto women, this video would clear all doubt. Falk is so transparent here. It’s like he’s doing a case study role play for a text book example on what misogyny in academia looks like. Amazing.
"Rank and pathetic misogyny".
Nailed it.
Exactly, the OP's comments were painful to listen to, and when you really pay attention, he talked a lot, but said very little. Very cringey.
Thank you for your intelligent, measured, and documented response. In my opinion, despite the calmness of your delivery, you seem genuinely angry. I hope this is true, because such ignorance devolving to personal attacks deserves anger and disgust.
Well done. Calm, clear and incisive. Got a new sub 👍
Falk is obviously envious of real scholars who get advances for their interesting books (and have academic posts and present television programmes, etc.) Falk's GoFundMe pleading is a miserable read, he wants help financing his next book. Started in May 2021, after 19 months he has 4,150 little Canadian dollars (sorry Canadians, I mean your currency is cute and bijou) of a 50,000 target. "My work is important because the Egyptian evidence supports a biblical exodus." Shame the archaeological evidence does not. Coincidentally, I have just finished an article called "Why David A. Falk should refrain from impersonating a biblical scholar on youtube." by Kipp Davis.
Yeah, I nocited too that his passion-project has halted
There is DEFINITELY archaeological evidence of an exodus. You are misinformed.
OMG! WTF I really appreciate how you tackle this. Dr Josh sent me. Subscribed.
Who is Dr. Josh?
@@roberth9814 Dr Joshua Aaron Bowen
@@roberth9814 youtube.com/@DigitalHammurabi
@@roberth9814He has two volumes of a book called the atheist guide to the Old Testament. He's really good
Thank you for doing this work, Dan. Deeply appreciated.
"The way she presents herself is not as a serious scholar," he says after the only comment he's made on how she presents herself being that she's a woman who he apparently finds attractive. The dude isn't even trying to hide the misogyny.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 You said: "I think he is upset with her influence which he deems to be unfairly strong due to sex."
Which is sexist. That's insinuating that the only reason she is popular must be because she is an attractive woman and not because she's a good scholar.
"The way she presents herself is not as a serious scholar"... That's hilarious coming from an apologist who stuffs his face with popcorn on youtube.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 Yes, it is sexist. He's making the assumption that she's only popular because she's attractive. It's not just an insult to her audience, it's also an insult towards her.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 Let me put this in a very simple way so even you can understand. Assuming that she's popular just because she is attractive is sexist. He's making an assumption that the only reason she has so many fans is because she is attractive. This assumption is sexist. Why assume she's only popular because of the way she looks? Maybe she's popular because she's a well regarded scholar?
I enjoyed reading this comment thread
Falk’s comments were disgusting. Thank you for speaking up about this.
Glad I found you on RUclips! You nailed it once again! Thank you!
My jaw does not often fall down to the max over youtubes, however extravagant the content, but this egregious specimen had me gaping. Hate speech at its most mysogynistic!. I hope this appalling display by Falk has been reported to youtube.
I didn't know about any of this but I immensely appreciate you for making this video! Thank you for standing up for women in the academic field!
I know zero about Biblical archaeology, but was appalled at the way Dr Falk treated Dr Kennedy in his discussion on the date of the Exodus on Dr. Sean McDowell's Channel.
And to say that Francesca Stavrakopoulou was chosen to be on the BBC on her "cup size" is rude and crass in the extreme.
He is the Sam Shamoun of archaeology.
Dan has picked the right issue to go all in on. Nothing this guy is saying is accurate or respectful. It’s great to see a role model for young men and scholars setting the record straight.
@@ramadadiver59 Falk called Dr. Stavrakopoulou window dressing & said her theology is measured by cup-size. That is blatant misogyny. Get therapy, dude.
@@ramadadiver59 He is being misogynistic. He completely misrepresented her work & called her fringe for giving the academic consensus, which Falk doesn’t know because he isn’t a biblical scholar. Then, he called her “window dressing”, objectifying her, & sexualized her body. He said the BBC only has her on because of her appearance, trying to discredit her further. Dr. Stavrakopoulou is a brilliant scholar who is thoroughly specialist in her field. Once again, get therapy to get help for your internalized misogyny.
@@ramadadiver59 Except you’re defending a misogynist adamantly. Play this video for other women & ask if they’d like to be described & treated this way. What would they think of the person defending this? Dr. Falk gave his opinion - he didn’t give disclaimers. He said BBC has her on because she’s attractive & her cup size. Does he have a source to confirm this? No, it’s his bigoted opinion.
@@ramadadiver59 I hate Dr. Richard Carrier & don’t support his work. Friends of mine had to permanently ban him from a convention for sexually harassing one of the women who was an organizer. Don’t make assumptions about me or my values.
@@ramadadiver59 If Richard Carrier talked about women like Falk did, MythVision would deplatform him, like he did Robert Price for bigotry.
Amazing. Measured and precise as always. Thank you, @Dan McLellan.
I've read her book, and it's such an amazing read. As a layperson, I cannot speak of its validity of course, but she's been praised by esteemed scholars, so I can rest easy I am in good hands. If you have the money, just get it. It's so good.
As a woman who was in academia too, I'm really disgusted by this man's misogyny. He's basically reprimanding this woman for having a chest and wearing comfortable t-shirts. He's reprimanding her for the fact that he finds her attractive. There's nothing new in that, including in academia. I'm Jewish, and I want to say that not only is there misogyny at play here, but there's also some ethnic discrimination. Some ethnicities, like my own and Stavrakopoulou's, do tend to be larger chested. This does not make us inferior scholars. My God! I can't believe I have to say this.
Some guys are so threatened by a good looking intelligent woman. Like wtf dude?
🤦🏻♀️ I mean, I should’ve expected the misogyny. Thank you seriously. We need more people like you speaking up.
Holy shit, this is crazy. I have watched him a lot to get varying view points. I even bought his book on the idea of arks in egyptology. Ironically, I bought Francesca's book as well. His statements really pissed me off... Thanks for this video.
Yes, pissed me off too. Can't believe one scholar would talk about another scholar's bust size.
@@ramadadiver59 where did he state that, please?
@@ramadadiver59 thank you for your reply. I watched the video again but didn't see anything resembling what you wrote. Can you provide a timestamp maybe?
@@ramadadiver59 now I'm a bit puzzled. If one hates women, i.e. being misogynistic, why would people of the BBC invite her?
It was a bad start, middle & end
what a complete birdface birdman three reeds wavy water.
I really hope that means something rude in hieroglyphics.
Bro, I ain't trying to start nothin, but be careful who you say that ish to
@@andrewkessler2020
ok dude - chill man. I didn't mean anything by it. I was just messing. I mean - it's just some weird pictures man. It can't mean anything that bad ....can it?
Please.
Don't say anything about this.
I've got a family.
Omg! Dan played a long clip of Falk. And Falk just revealed layers and layers of ignorance, misogyny, bitter resentment...
It was horrible cringe. I actually turned my head away. I'm empathetic. So i felt all the embarrassment that Falk should be feeling.
Also and most importantly Francesca Stavrakopoulou is cool as hell.
I could not be happier that I have discovered your content here and on Instagram. As someone who has distanced himself from the church, it is so refreshing to hear such clear, concise and informed information and discussion on subjects that I have been dealing with my entire life. Thank you for providing solid data and commentary on so many different biblical subjects. I cannot watch enough of your content.
What a ridiculous, misogynistic and absolutely pathetic excuse of a researcher. It's honestly disgusting to hear this kind of talk.
Even if he was validly critiquing someone's subpar work (which is absolutely NOT the case), pointing to a woman's appearance as explanation of her success is absolutely crass and disgusting.
If he has any teaching position in his field, his employers should really consider if it's safe maintaining someone with this attitude towards women near students.
Good point about the way the apologists get Ph.D.'s in adjacent fields. You see the same thing with creationists who denounce Darwin -- but their Ph.D. is in engineering but not in biology, a field where, as you point out, they have never had to demonstate competence. They can then critique Darwin for an audience that jsut sees a Ph.D. in "Science."
Thank you for doing this. Falk is jealous and pathetic.
Have you seen her charade? ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html
You hit the nail on the head there!
It's called being a Christian
Thank you, Dan, for brining this to our attention AND for saying exactly what needed to be said about Falk's Dumpster Fire Apologetics.
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Also, thank you to Derek @Mythvision for brining this review to our community's attention.
Also, thanks to Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou for all you do for your field, your students, your readers, and our community.
Falk does Apologetics? I thought he would just be posting neutral historical facts or did I miss something?
I have read Francesca Stavrakopoulou's book with great appreciation. I have a Maters Degree in Comparative Religion, (focus on history of religion on the Ancient Near East) and Mdiv from Uppsala University/Sweden. I find 'God: an atonomy' a fantastic book and would glady recommend as an introduction to the students on the Hebrew Bible. The critical statements on the book made in this video show ignorance and, if I may say so, stupidity
Bro I love you because you prove a lot of things I believe in, same time I hate you because you destroy a lot of things I believe in. O well the most important thing is the truth, it doesn’t matter who is right. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
It never seems to amaze me about the ignorance of evangelicals
I found this via a link from mythvision and so glad I did. Thanks for you calm and thoughtful response. I’m a new sub.
We are…
Mythvision. 👍
Thank you Mythvision for hooking me up with this video. Excellent and measured response. You just gained a sub.
Wow. I never knew Comic Book Guy had a YT channel.
Concerning theology of cup size: Are we sure that Stavrakopoulou as a bigger cup than Falk? 😁
BRAVO - Data > Dogma
Thanks Dan for bringing this guy to light and hammering him for misrepresenting her work and being pointlessly belittling.
I have watched some videos that the woman was in on myth buster RUclips channel.She is a scholar and I’m just not up to her level when it comes to thinking critically of Christian scriptures. I am a simple believer and that works for me. I might have to check out some her books in the future. Maybe I’ll disagree or some what agree with her work. Just have to keep an open mind, I know she has declared to be an atheist. She seems to be a very intelligent person.
This "Egyptologist" who thinks the Exodus is a real historical event over here just projecting and telling on himself all over the place.
Every accusation an admission of guilt
The Exodus WAS indeed a real historical event
I have never come across such treatment of a fellow human being in any professional context in my entire life. Is he really an Egyptologist?
To be fair he did laugh at his self for his pronunciation.
Pretty petty 😉
This guy just set my teeth on edge. Good thing I can't reach thru my computer screen!!😒
Thank you Dan.
"You're already being crass about this" gave me huge Jim from The office vibes.
The hemming & hawing to get to any substantive reasons is the tell.
Wow.....Falk is jealous & bitter 😮
Thank you for doing this, top commentary on this.
I think that dusty gray old man is jealous!
Thank you. He is horrid.
Not just refreshing acurate and well grounded, but also somewhat funny...Thanks for the great work you do
Perhaps he's right out one thing: people who incorporate critical scholarship into their personal belief in an actual God are at the fringes of liberal theology among all Christendom
Thank you for taking misogyny down a notch! “Theology by cup size” smh 🤬
Appalling. Thank you Dan.
Loving how you present your videos
I'm positive he couldn't make it through one of her books!
I can't believe he has any sort of a degree whatsoever. I am certain that at some point, he'll get an honorary degree from the Dog Catcher Institute of The North Pole.
Are you insulting my all time favorite Egyptologist?
Dr Popcorn Breath
Thank you for this, Dan.
*“Doing theology by cup size”* Project much, Falk?
Shes a legend, and that speaks through your knowledge as well. Appreciate you standing up for women. Not that they need defending but its refreshing to see this respect, especially on the internet.
Nope. ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html
@@nocontent4908 your point?
@@BenChaverin did you watch the video? If you did you wouldn’t be asking me what my point is.
@@nocontent4908 yes. I watched the video, what is your problem?
@@BenChaverin I don’t have a problem, but it sounds like you do if you think she is a legend.
I already had a physical copy of God an Anatomy, bought the audio book just to spite this dude
Thanks for doing this. The comments were just appalling.
Francesca is extremely intelligent and very articulate. To trash her work like this idiot is doing as well as attack her because of her gender is unacceptable! Reflects very poorly on Falk and his audience to put it nicely.
When I read the title of the video, I had some expectations of what I'm going to hear. But holy shit, I did not see this coming.
Scholarship by cup size is just cartoonish level of misogyny, wow.
I love your vocabulary
Wow that was a real mask off moment huh. Normally misogyny in academia isn't so explicit lol
Thank you for this. I've listened to Falk's RUclips videos, and while there's interesting info on Egypt, I felt he came at the biblical aspects with a whole lot of presuppositions.
Have you seen Francesca’s: ruclips.net/video/7xVBldyy_Oo/видео.html
At three minutes in we immediately go from vaguely ethnicist to straight up incel. My neck hurts.
the rage in dan's demeanour from the very start of this, wow
I don’t think any other biblical scholar has ever made we want to stand up and shout YEAH! at my screen
Fundamentalist evangelicals work really, really hard to stay ignorant…
lol bahaha, I was like he hasnt said anything misogynistic I dont know what youre... holy macaroni that was wild.
Gosh, I can`t believe he`s serious talking BS with such ignorancy, it is so ridiculous, thanks a lot for this video response.
I wish I could add a “like” every time I watch this video!
You articulated that very well, sir. You are truly impressive.
Just finished God: an anatomy. Solid work.
Is turnabout fair play? David Falk is a toad and sounds like one to boot. The foregoing therefore discredits his work since we all know amphibians can’t be Egyptologists.
I always thought the redemption of the firstborn dealt with their position in the priesthood? Didn't the Levites get taken in place of the firstborn?
I have not heard an actual argument the whole time. He was just making fun of her the whole time
Gee, there's an obvious reference on child sacrifice in the Bible. I mean, God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son and Abraham was like "Welp, if that's what the man wants..."
I’ve never heard of David Falk but what he is saying about Professor Stavrakopoulu is absolutely disgusting. I know nothing about him but I have a terrible feeling he is a Christian of some sort.
Why is that "terrible"?????
It's difficult to imagine anyone so unaware of his prejudices. It makes everything he says suspect, even in his field of expertise. I think he needs to only study dung bettles. They don't have cup sizes, just balls.
Falk was gross! It could have been in landscape mode; that's how vile his remarks were! 😡
2:58 wow. I was wondering when the misogyny was going to start, and I needn't have worried. It's difficult to miss!
I always tell my students to think about how they treat their professors and TAs, and their future employees and coworkers. For people who do not have to deal with this level of discrimination on a daily basis they need to hear about it on a daily basis. Some of the stories I have heard from colleagues are absolutely ridiculous. These people, like Falk, are basically just feral as far as I am concerned.
Imagine pouring your heart and soul into your work doing everything correctly and then some unqualified overconfident unsubstantiated nonsense is the best response to your work. At that point, it would be embarrassing to open one's mouth. It would only reveal your ignorance.
This is why I prefer to leave it to the experts. Even if they end up being wrong... if we don't have legitimate concerns and grounds to challenge them on their assertions then what is the point of arguing with them?
This is why it is preferable to have aleast one dissenting but substantiated critic to challenge on your behalf in the absence of us knowing any better.
If we don't have a single valid argument against someone's position... why would you bother arguing? 🤦♂️
I don’t believe he really read the book. He’s a very uninspiring creator, and doesn’t hold any true authority in his words. An intellectual coward.
1:27 I wouldn't say it's the overwhelming academic consensus that God had a body in the Ancient Near East, rather that he was imagined as having a body.