Fatal Collision over Europe | Boeing 757 Collides with a Russian Tu-154 (With Real Audio)

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  • Опубликовано: 28 апр 2021
  • On 1 July 2002, a Tupolev-Tu-154M operating as Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 collides with a Boeing 757 operating as DHL Flight 611 in German airspace near Überlingen. Find out what really happened.
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @bigdmac33
    @bigdmac33 3 года назад +3581

    Every time we board a plane, our safety rests on the shoulders of those that have perished.

    • @rosean374
      @rosean374 3 года назад +33

      🥺

    • @jesseomollo9405
      @jesseomollo9405 3 года назад +251

      true indeed....the advances we hve in aviation is from their deaths that caused changes in the industry. The price we pay....

    • @linda_smilesrfree2744
      @linda_smilesrfree2744 3 года назад +120

      I always Pray and ask the Most High God in Christ to be the pilot and co-pilot of our plane, getting us to and from our destination safely without hurt, harm or danger in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen.

    • @vikparmar1421
      @vikparmar1421 3 года назад +28

      @@linda_smilesrfree2744 Amen to that! Praise Lord Yeshua!

    • @vikparmar1421
      @vikparmar1421 3 года назад +2

      @Hhu Bhgy Great!

  • @mm2255
    @mm2255 3 года назад +2442

    What needs to be said more clearly: Russian pilots were trained to listen to ATC and ignore TCAS when there were contradictions. For the western pilots, it was the other way around... Since then, TCAS has been number one.

    • @JasonHaines1974
      @JasonHaines1974 3 года назад +145

      I was surprised that neither pilot communicated their TCAS status to ATC.

    • @kidpagronprimsank05
      @kidpagronprimsank05 3 года назад +237

      @@JasonHaines1974 DHL did, but controller can't hear them

    • @sooners2037
      @sooners2037 3 года назад +57

      What also made it worse was there was only one controller at the time

    • @christophertstone
      @christophertstone 3 года назад +133

      @@sooners2037 worse yet, there were 4 planes in the sky and the controller put 2 at the same level.

    • @notme2day
      @notme2day 3 года назад +51

      @@christophertstone there is actually a much better video on this that shows the investigation etc .. more info available showing not only the tragic side but how it made changes in aviation. For this being a 2021 breakdown video I'm disappointed. Unless your just looking to skim info then this fills that need. Otherwise ....

  • @Mohamed-zy1er
    @Mohamed-zy1er 2 года назад +1905

    When you look up the sky is so vast and seems never ending. What is the chance of two relatively tiny planes colliding? Unbelievably unfortunate accident

    • @brettbanta2100
      @brettbanta2100 2 года назад +39

      I know, I’ve often thought that myself. What are the chances?

    • @024HR
      @024HR 2 года назад +9

      @@brettbanta2100 ikr!!

    • @thatsarock
      @thatsarock 2 года назад +81

      Definitely a very small chance.. But unfortunately it has happened.. Especially since they normally fly at the same altitude

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 2 года назад +22

      Love your Gus Fring profile pic. It reminds me of the show he’s in. You know, the show that has midair collision in the end of season 2 because some bald dude let a girl overdosed to death.

    • @victoriamayo5774
      @victoriamayo5774 2 года назад +24

      I hate flying

  • @Jacob-df5hr
    @Jacob-df5hr 2 года назад +242

    What really boggles my mind about this is that, if that cargo worker in Italy had spent literally two more seconds closing the cargo doors, these planes would never have touched each other, and those kids would be alive, and they'd live their lives, have an impact on the world, have kids of their own. All they needed was two seconds.

    • @deplorablesrus8457
      @deplorablesrus8457 2 года назад +10

      My God.

    • @riri4883
      @riri4883 2 года назад +76

      The butterfly effect is a crazy thing for sure

    • @ShavoSoaDer
      @ShavoSoaDer Год назад +4

      At Bergamo, DHL pilots would just wait 2 seconds longer than in real life for some ATC response and nothing else would change lol

    • @TheFailedmessiah
      @TheFailedmessiah Год назад +3

      Lol or if the pilot was like let me drain the lizard before we take off.

    • @George-xb5ey
      @George-xb5ey Год назад +15

      Frodo: 'It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.'
      Gandalf: 'Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.' Frodo: 'I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.'
      Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.
      J.R.R. Tolkien

  • @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay
    @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay 3 года назад +5843

    One of the saddest accidents in aviation history. And the fact that the controller was murdered for being put in a situation he should have NEVER been in is just awful. RIP to all those who perished. Such a tragedy.

    • @frankfarago2825
      @frankfarago2825 3 года назад +177

      The mass murderer in factwas Nielsen, the Swiss "controller." He only got at the end what he had meted out to others previously.

    • @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay
      @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay 3 года назад +1662

      @@frankfarago2825 Absolutely ridiculous and asinine statement. Nielsen was put in a situation which was severely safety compromised due to incompetent management. He should have NEVER been forced to handle double the workload AND without a functioning phone line. Whoever decided that was sufficient should have been prosecuted. And Mr. Nielsen should still be alive, along with everyone onboard both flights.

    • @piercehawke8021
      @piercehawke8021 3 года назад +743

      @@CoDWiiPS3Gameplay That Russian man who murdered Nielsen also needed to be brought up on charges.

    • @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay
      @CoDWiiPS3Gameplay 3 года назад +183

      @@piercehawke8021 yes, I completely agree as well

    • @roryobrien4401
      @roryobrien4401 3 года назад +65

      Swiss efficiency my arse

  • @laurasanchez7105
    @laurasanchez7105 3 года назад +4375

    Man this is so sad. I'm watching this knowing they're gonna collide but for some reason I'm still sitting here nervously hoping they somehow miss each other...

  • @04Eek
    @04Eek 10 месяцев назад +15

    I just wanna say the reason that the Russian pilots listen to the controller more than the TCAS is because they were taught that they needed to 1st listen to what the controller says then it is the TCAS. While the other pilots (DHL), were taught that they needed to listen to the TCAS and then the controller.
    (sorry btw if it sounds a bit off)

  • @miriamsamaniego3335
    @miriamsamaniego3335 2 года назад +342

    All of those poor children perishing when they were probably so excited for their trip! And then the ATC to be murdered by a man so overcome with grief that all he could think of was revenge!
    This whole incident was so avoidable but it was just a calamity of errors.
    RIP to all who perished, including the murdered man, and condolences to his family.

    • @driver4011
      @driver4011 2 года назад +24

      the man lost his wife n two kids. his revenge was fair n justified.

    • @miriamsamaniego3335
      @miriamsamaniego3335 2 года назад +22

      @@driver4011 revenge is mine, saith the Lord.

    • @hpyrkh3
      @hpyrkh3 2 года назад +85

      @@driver4011 Did the revenge return him the wife and two kids?

    • @zero082294
      @zero082294 2 года назад +17

      @@hpyrkh3 doesn’t matter. An eye for an eye

    • @Ryan-op7yd
      @Ryan-op7yd 2 года назад +19

      @@hpyrkh3 It's easy to say that revenge is valueless when you haven't lost your entire livelihood and family, your entire future, everything you've worked towards because of someone whose negligence allowed that to happen. Someone who received zero punishment for their actions and would continue to live their life happy and amongst their own family. I don't think what he did was "heroic" as ppl in his hometown would describe it, but I definitely do not blame him for what he did and I'm glad he didn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison.

  • @flyoverkid55
    @flyoverkid55 3 года назад +3605

    There is nothing more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose.

    • @egaviation8021
      @egaviation8021 3 года назад +86

      Ur 100% right

    • @egaviation8021
      @egaviation8021 3 года назад +311

      I mean he had nothing left to loose so he just killed a man, and whats worse he was a ftaher and whats even worse he killed him in front of his family, Brainwashed Idiot, it was not ATC fault

    • @las2665
      @las2665 3 года назад +19

      @WORLD OF AVIATION you are right!

    • @WolfpackOne
      @WolfpackOne 3 года назад +123

      Stress really does stuff to people, It's not the ATC's fault. Unfortunately the dad was blindsided by grief and misdirection.
      I'm talking about the ATC guy btw, the 2nd sentence refers to the dad.

    • @vijayarjunwadkar
      @vijayarjunwadkar 3 года назад +12

      100% Agreed!

  • @micbavo
    @micbavo 3 года назад +3147

    Can't imagine what must be going through the minds of those who are still conscious on the plane falling to the earth. Terrifying.

    • @razudinhamzah5789
      @razudinhamzah5789 3 года назад +53

      Most terrifying 🌹

    • @jesspavlichenko5745
      @jesspavlichenko5745 2 года назад +419

      I can only provide some small solace here, but as someone who did something called a human slingshot that was 300m high, when you are rapidly flying through the air like that, you have no idea what is happening to you and no time to catch up. There is always a slight delay between your senses acknowledging something and it actually happening. Falling would have been a windy and confusing experience; the very millisecond they hit the ground, nothing else was known by them.

    • @Interdictiondeltawing
      @Interdictiondeltawing 2 года назад +158

      Falling fast would probably make you fall unconscious

    • @Tennessee17
      @Tennessee17 2 года назад +107

      If I was there I would be very nervous, but most importantly, ready to meet God, convicted that my time had come.

    • @elvivar7665
      @elvivar7665 2 года назад +27

      RIP 🙏 what a tragic accident

  • @SAMUELARESTM
    @SAMUELARESTM Год назад +30

    All flight disasters are sad but this one hits harder by the fact of how preventable it was and the violence that followed.

  • @enrico20957
    @enrico20957 9 месяцев назад +3

    You NEVER left only one person to be responsible for so serious work.

  • @RADIOACTIVEBUNY
    @RADIOACTIVEBUNY 3 года назад +2047

    As a pilot, these are sobering reminders of why we have to stay sharp.

  • @ZenkaiAnkoku2
    @ZenkaiAnkoku2 2 года назад +1554

    The "climb now" alarm is utterly chilling. Especially in the context that they thought they were avoiding disaster, until that point. And I am always saddened by this story. By how preventable it was. By how many times in those short moments, this video almost didn't exist. RIP

    • @rethablair6902
      @rethablair6902 2 года назад +43

      A plane filled mostly with children just shatters my heart💔💔💔💔😭😭😭😭

    • @tausifkhan3341
      @tausifkhan3341 2 года назад +2

      @@rethablair6902 right😕

    • @6z0
      @6z0 2 года назад +23

      And think about all those videos that dont exist but almost did because something actually went right

    • @namedjavelin3932
      @namedjavelin3932 2 года назад +16

      @@6z0 this is what I was thinking, would love to know about all the near misses because someone somewhere made the right decision, but those (usually) naturally don't get recorded and investigated

    • @weirdofromhalo
      @weirdofromhalo 2 года назад +13

      @@namedjavelin3932 Near misses *always* get recorded, but not always investigated. Even rarer for videos to be made on them. But there are a few videos on this channel about near misses.

  • @biancatoscano2171
    @biancatoscano2171 2 года назад +18

    Listening to these captains and first officers speak knowing there lives will shortly be gone, gives me chills

  • @dfdemt
    @dfdemt 2 года назад +41

    As Billy Bob Thornton said in Armageddon, “it’s a big ass sky”. How two relatively small objects can meet in the same place at the same time in all of that vastness is amazing.

    • @fiesta061000
      @fiesta061000 Год назад

      Aftermath movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger is based on this..very tragic story..🎥😢

    • @largol33t1
      @largol33t1 Год назад

      He also played the husband of one of the workers in the movie "Pushing tin" which is about air traffic controllers.

    • @randychase305
      @randychase305 Год назад +3

      It's amazing how many people seem to think planes are just up there freestyling. There are literally flight corridors (highways in the sky) between every destination.

  • @theflightchannel
    @theflightchannel  3 года назад +859

    NOTE: It was brought to my attention that the CVR recording of Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 (starting at 15:10) is just a recreation and not the real thing. Unfortunately, I failed to notice this while editing the video. I offer you my deepest apologies for the inconvenience.

    • @tylerholmes7246
      @tylerholmes7246 3 года назад +22

      Is it.. I thought it was authentic, as it was posted on the chillouts cvr recordings channel..

    • @aishnooma8469
      @aishnooma8469 3 года назад +52

      Its Okay man!😊
      Appreciate ur hard work

    • @Interdictiondeltawing
      @Interdictiondeltawing 3 года назад +11

      Wait so THERE IS NO CVR OF BASHKIRIAN 2937

    • @lucassteen4050
      @lucassteen4050 3 года назад +3

      I can not find cvr from DHX 611...

    • @Interdictiondeltawing
      @Interdictiondeltawing 3 года назад +13

      @lalruatfela hrahsel it instead landed outside of the town while some parts of both planes fell into some streets

  • @TotallyAHuman
    @TotallyAHuman 3 года назад +2707

    Lesson learnt: Never ignore the TCAS. It is _always_ right.

  • @knk4ever83
    @knk4ever83 Год назад +22

    Grief does horrible things to people.. the poor guy that lost his family..

    • @hurricanecamille8089
      @hurricanecamille8089 Год назад +9

      No, he was unhinged to begin with. Why murder someone who clearly had no control over the situation? It certainly did not bring his loved ones back.

    • @Tori-di2cf
      @Tori-di2cf Год назад +17

      He killed someone who had a family of his own

    • @agasxt
      @agasxt Год назад +1

      @@Tori-di2cf balanced as all things should be

    • @LawnBunny777
      @LawnBunny777 Год назад +8

      @@agasxt Considering one thing was human error and the other was cold blooded murder - I think now

    • @agasxt
      @agasxt Год назад

      @@LawnBunny777 it is balanced, you cause the lost of someone family then you need to lose your family in return so it's balanced

  • @benwesley5260
    @benwesley5260 Год назад +82

    I can’t even imagine being Nielsen’s wife and kids. Knowing your husband/dad is traumatized from what he went through and all these things he personally thinks he’s responsible for. Then, when you think he’s getting better, he gets killed right in front of you. How terrible 😞

    • @user-ws4tq5xg1z
      @user-ws4tq5xg1z 8 месяцев назад +2

      Человек должен отвечать за поступки. Кавказ не прощает тех, кто не извиняется

    • @KonradKawka0000
      @KonradKawka0000 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@user-ws4tq5xg1z Damn animals.

    • @annmaryjohn3258
      @annmaryjohn3258 7 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@user-ws4tq5xg1zso you do not care that he was the only one on his shift and that he was doing the work that more than one person should have done? People like you simply don't care.

    • @trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840
      @trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840 6 месяцев назад

      @@user-ws4tq5xg1z It didn't happen in the Caucasus.

    • @analyticalhabitrails9857
      @analyticalhabitrails9857 5 месяцев назад

      Oh well, he thought only about himse,f recovering, BUT not once did he thought about how was the other russian man going through. So Nielsen THOUGHT he was going to be ok until he was not.

  • @TheQueenlucy
    @TheQueenlucy 3 года назад +431

    It’s always chilling when there’s real audio.

    • @nenblom
      @nenblom 3 года назад +1

      For sure

    • @MrCallingoccupants
      @MrCallingoccupants 3 года назад +4

      That's right, Just make sure that those chills are not multiplying because we don't want you losing control.

    • @Brendan-Black
      @Brendan-Black 3 года назад

      Yes, much more effective. I understand why there isn't, but I wish their was audio in all of TFC's awesome videos.

    • @aishnooma8469
      @aishnooma8469 3 года назад +1

      its not real it just a recreation

    • @User31129
      @User31129 3 года назад +1

      @@aishnooma8469 wrong actually

  • @darrylwebb388
    @darrylwebb388 3 года назад +339

    This is one of the most intense videos to date. Anyone else feel that? My heart hurts and everything.

    • @moodmeditation4458
      @moodmeditation4458 3 года назад

      Something same happened with Saudi Flight.

    • @TheAdx1001
      @TheAdx1001 3 года назад +4

      yea I havent seen one this gut wrenching in a while. wow

    • @sezwo5774
      @sezwo5774 2 года назад +2

      I agree, ...also adding insult; one Swiss asleep at the control tower against regulations another Swiss giving incorrect verbal data to the Russian plane, then Swiss SkyGuide officially blaming the Russians, ...then Swiss court giving ridiculously light and suspended sentences, ...and people here (Swiss? or other Germanics or Anglo-Germanics) watching this video still blaming the guy who took revenge.

    • @nakedcapitalist
      @nakedcapitalist 2 года назад

      It might be a tumor bro, should get it checked out

    • @KONAMAN100
      @KONAMAN100 2 года назад

      Yep.. 4 sure.

  • @user-li2qn2yt7p
    @user-li2qn2yt7p 7 месяцев назад +2

    I can just imagine how hard it i for TheFlightChannel to make these videos, if you pay attention you will notice that when the camera angle changes the planes are in a slightly different position than last camera angle. The amount of patience and work and time it takes this person to make these videos jut for us to sit down and watch them for 15-30 minutes is amazing, your effort and work will never go unoticed.

  • @zoso73
    @zoso73 Год назад +6

    70-degree downward descent on the DHL 757, from 30,000+ feet. Sheer horror for those pilots who suffered anguish for at least a full minute knowing their death awaited them.

  • @gilbertfranklin1537
    @gilbertfranklin1537 2 года назад +970

    It still seems so incredible that two planes flying in the three-dimensional atmosphere could wind up being at the exact same height and on a collision course horizontally - also at the exact same time... especially with all the corrections being taken along the route when they received the alerts. It truly makes you ask; "What are the odds...". To an uninformed observer, it would look like they were trying to crash head-on!

    • @Benji-jj2bg
      @Benji-jj2bg 2 года назад +149

      Very unlikely. Very very unlikely. But because commercial planes travel on predetermined routes that are kinda like "highways" on the sky, means its more possible than people think. Thats why air control needs to do their job correctly.

    • @revenant8061
      @revenant8061 2 года назад +7

      @@Benji-jj2bg This needs to change. There should be assigned paths and other flights in that path should be notified. So the pilots can respond to alerts quickly and without needing the confirmation of controller.

    • @thatsarock
      @thatsarock 2 года назад +9

      Well there is multiple variables to it.. Most planes of their size fly at the same height.. They were from two different countries listening to two different operations of communications getting two different instructions.. Unfortunately that ended up being the issue.. There was no singular form to communicate

    • @drott150
      @drott150 Год назад +23

      The reality is that there are close calls every year, but we never hear about them because they don't actually collide.

    • @giraffeorganic
      @giraffeorganic Год назад +10

      Could’ve also very easily changed their speed. Simple maths, dunno why those pilots still wanted to risk it as if being a few minutes late on arrival is a death sentence.

  • @djb6496
    @djb6496 3 года назад +560

    This might be the most tragic and sad crash I have seen on this channel so far.

    • @irvancrocs1753
      @irvancrocs1753 3 года назад +15

      Yeah this and along with Air Alaska flight 261

    • @marlonisaac1
      @marlonisaac1 3 года назад +13

      @@irvancrocs1753 IMO Air Alaska 261 is the saddest and most heart wrenching accident I've seen on this channel so far but this one is horrible also.

    • @d3kingg387
      @d3kingg387 3 года назад +1

      A major incident in the history of aviation

    • @genuinely.faking
      @genuinely.faking 3 года назад +8

      This accident & Air France 447 are the scariest ones to me. After I seen each episode on Air Crash Investigation, the sadness stayed with me for a very long time.😔

    • @ahmedshakeel5112
      @ahmedshakeel5112 3 года назад +2

      The Air crash investigation series, for this flight, is the most saddest episode/flight I have ever seen.

  • @cedriclynch
    @cedriclynch 2 года назад +14

    I can remember the first report I heard about this accident, on BBC Radio 4 in the UK. The BBC put on an "expert" who said the TU154 was "an obsolete and ill-equipped aircraft with a poorly-trained crew", leaving no doubt about where he believed the blame lay. It emerged a few days later that the TU154 was fitted with the TCAS made by the American firm Honeywell. It also emerged, as described in this video, that the TCAS had instructed the crew to climb but they had followed the contradictory instruction from the controller. I believe that until the publication of the official report on this accident, pilots were not always being explicitly told to follow the TCAS in the event of a contradiction between it and the traffic controller. Presumably doing the opposite of what the controller instructs would normally lead to some kind of disciplinary action that could end the pilot's career.

  • @morgremz
    @morgremz 2 года назад +19

    We have family friends living near Überlingen… one of the flight crew members bodies actually landed right in their garden and they had to report it and get someone to come remove it. They described the night of the crash and the following days like a scene straight out of WW2. Debris, airplane parts and bodies everywhere…
    This terrible accident, the aftermath and the subsequent murder committed because of it are nothing short of horrifying. I also don’t think that you can’t push the blame for what happened on one single person; if anything, multiple people and factors are at fault. It was just a horrible, horrible accident that was devestating and tragic for everyone involved, and I don’t think that going around blaming people is doing anyone any favors.

    • @bakad5458
      @bakad5458 2 года назад +4

      I think blame is necessary. Otherwise how would we identify a way to improve? The pilot that didn't listen to his plane, and the controller who didn't properly assess the situation. Yes of course he shouldn't have had to do this on his own, which is his company's fault, but if you think about it, he made the situation worse by providing false information and giving incorrect instructions. It was definitely more than one person's fault, but nonetheless it's important to look at their mistakes so the Aviation world can learn from them.

  • @PassiveSmoking
    @PassiveSmoking 2 года назад +581

    There was another incident involving two JAL airliners where one of the planes was given ATC commands in conflict to the TCAS instructions. Those planes came within a couple of metres of colliding and a collision was only avoided by one of the pilots having to make a manoeuvre so violent that passengers were flung around the cabin like rag dolls.
    The changes to training basically boiled down to "If TCAS and ATC disagree, disregard ATC and follow the TCAS instruction"

    • @mph1ish
      @mph1ish 2 года назад

      Thanks, I looked that one up and TFC covered it.
      ruclips.net/video/1V-NURlZ0Jc/видео.html

    • @theaircraftnerd0345
      @theaircraftnerd0345 2 года назад +31

      If the DHL pilot did that maneuver, the collision would have been avoided, and no one whould have been injured because it's the pilots strapped into their seats, and the cargo

    • @lmao_ok2539
      @lmao_ok2539 2 года назад +4

      Can u tell the flight number once

    • @PassiveSmoking
      @PassiveSmoking 2 года назад +20

      @@lmao_ok2539 Japan Airlines Flight 907 and Japan Airlines Flight 958

    • @bigdmac33
      @bigdmac33 2 года назад +32

      ​ @The Aircraft Nerd You have to also remember that cargo aircraft have a particular risk ( and in some ways greater ) compared to passenger types. Cargo is normally carefully recorded, monitored and strapped down so that it can't move within the airframe. Added to this, the plane's centre of gravity is calculated and other calculations then depend on this for safe flight operation.
      During a sudden, violent manoeuvre, however, there is always the very slim chance that cargo will move, affecting the COG. When this happens, the degree to which the COG is changed could also affect the flight configuration, meaning that the aircraft may or may not continue to stay in the air. So much may then rely upon the skill of the flight crew.
      This is what happened with the 2013 Bagram 747 crash, but in that case there was nothing that the crew could do to avert disaster.

  • @lobzangdorjay757
    @lobzangdorjay757 3 года назад +397

    After this mid air collision TCAS was declared the best friend of pilots over controllers 👍

    • @arisnovisantoso4785
      @arisnovisantoso4785 3 года назад +2

      What happens if TCAS gets an error?

    • @lobzangdorjay757
      @lobzangdorjay757 3 года назад +4

      @@arisnovisantoso4785 then have to switch to controllers and have to believe them.

    • @carlcushmanhybels8159
      @carlcushmanhybels8159 3 года назад +15

      Yes. TCAS priority since this accident. (Like probably you, I learned about TCAS becoming priority (over distant ATC) from other Air Crash videos, incl by The Flight Channel.)

    • @arisnovisantoso4785
      @arisnovisantoso4785 3 года назад +1

      So what if there is a difference of opinion between TCAS and ATC? TCAS tells the pilot to go up and ATC order to get down from a height, So which one should the pilot obey? Meanwhile the pilot doesn't know who is right and wrong, TCAS or Controller(Did the controller make a mistake or the aircraft TCAS got it error)
      🤷🤷
      Humans must have made mistakes, and airplane instruments must also have experienced errors, such as the GPWS not working, Autopilot, damaged and others.

    • @Prototyp3m1nd
      @Prototyp3m1nd 3 года назад +39

      @@arisnovisantoso4785 TCAS should have been priority because it was directly monitoring both planes and issuing flight paths that made collision impossible. It is coded so that it can't tell both planes to descend or climb together. That's why it's priority now, because it actively monitors both and issues avoidance commands.
      If the pilots of both flights had listened to it and given it priority--more crucial since it only activates when a collision is likely or imminent--then everything would have been fine.

  • @_who_tfstolemyoriginalname
    @_who_tfstolemyoriginalname 2 года назад +12

    When one thinks of the size of earth, the thousands of miles in all directions including up and down, one cant help but be blown away that 2 huge planes are led right into each other due to a complacent company and a radar undergoing maintenance!

  • @brooklyn8376
    @brooklyn8376 Год назад +5

    Does anyone else feel terrible for that air traffic controller? That poor man. Can’t imagine the guilt he felt. Then he gets murdered by a guy who lost his wife kids during the collision. Would make an interesting movie

  • @AviationZy
    @AviationZy 3 года назад +706

    This Channel deserves a Netflix Season

    • @4r1ffster70
      @4r1ffster70 3 года назад +6

      This already having Netflix

    • @_baller
      @_baller 3 года назад +8

      Yeah...you're watching it

    • @jimknowlton342
      @jimknowlton342 3 года назад +2

      No need for this stuff to last 20 minutes

    • @kentrellgibbs9314
      @kentrellgibbs9314 3 года назад +1

      Stupid post almost like there’s a show called air disasters on the smithsonaian channel. People just watch this because it’s free

    • @aymenalitaleb9658
      @aymenalitaleb9658 3 года назад +15

      No. Stop saying that in every video. Netflix would include LGBT community in it and that would be ridiculous.

  • @Interdictiondeltawing
    @Interdictiondeltawing 3 года назад +621

    The saddest and most disturbing accident in aviation history because:
    Children were on board
    Controller was stressed of handling 2 screens
    the DHL pilots struggled to fly for 6 minutes
    The controller never worked again get murdered 2 years later

    • @Medionxtr
      @Medionxtr 3 года назад +6

      So true !

    • @MaxHumphreysMaxHumphreys
      @MaxHumphreysMaxHumphreys 3 года назад +13

      Wait hold the man who was the only one on atc got murdered?

    • @WolfpackOne
      @WolfpackOne 3 года назад +91

      @@MaxHumphreysMaxHumphreys One of the people who lost their daughter in the crash became enraged and tracked down the controller who was on duty that night, and killed him in front of his family.

    • @sandrobarbisan3498
      @sandrobarbisan3498 3 года назад +24

      he still worked until his time of death just in another position. not actual atc anymore

    • @Seventh7Art
      @Seventh7Art 3 года назад +37

      Τhose 6 last minutes of flight seemed like 6 centuries to them, knowing death was inevitable....

  • @lorir5728
    @lorir5728 Год назад +6

    Nelson was the only person trying to help them but he ends up the one to blame. Horrible. Yet no-one says anything about the guy who left his station and management not doing their job. It all fell on down the line. He should have never been left alone. Everything that could have gone wrong with communication did

    • @Leo-qd7ih
      @Leo-qd7ih Год назад +1

      This situation is all in all terrible and RIP for everyone including Nielson. It's just a tragedy; Kalove, who killed Nielson lost wifie and 2 children in this crash; but the reason he killed Nielson was that nobody actually "paid" for this. Nobody, was imprisoned, nobody was really prosecuted, family of perished Russians received I don't remember... something 30 or 40k $$$ and appoogy. Kaloev killed Nielsen 2 years after the catastrophe i.e. he waited "enough" seeing nobody is "responsible" and wanted somebody "paying" for this. I am not on Kaloev side I just added to your comment... My condolences for all perished and their relatives who went and still going thru this horror including Nielsen's family

    • @lorir5728
      @lorir5728 Год назад

      @@Leo-qd7ih The company should have paid. I get his frustration. Those people in the sky were seen as worthless to the company. Poor management.

  • @Pllm30
    @Pllm30 2 года назад +7

    These are graphically beautiful videos. We learn so much from watching them.

  • @Epochal_Enigmas
    @Epochal_Enigmas 2 года назад +587

    This whole incident sounds like it came straight out of Final Destination where, against all odds, there's always at least something that somehow had to mess up in favor of the accident as if it was destined to happen. The horrible part is that, unlike Final Destination, this one is very much real.
    Rest in peace to those who perished.

    • @VGF80
      @VGF80 2 года назад +16

      It wasn't just one thing but a collection of faults all happening at the same time.

    • @Spaxcore
      @Spaxcore 2 года назад +3

      *peace

    • @camedbeans
      @camedbeans Год назад +1

      what a chilling comment, really makes you think

    • @LucDutra92
      @LucDutra92 11 месяцев назад +2

      Things is, it's never one something. In order for this things to happen, a number of things must go wrong. The understaffed ATC, the equipment out for mantainance that would've alerted the controller to the danger, the decision of one of the pilots to follow ATC instructions instead of their TCAS...If you have one of those things happen, the accident would probably be avoided. But everything adds up in this cases.

  • @TennilleE82
    @TennilleE82 2 года назад +307

    This is one of those aviation tragedy stories I always remember. Everything about it is just so horrifyingly sad. Rest in Peace to all of you.

    • @portalmorros8408
      @portalmorros8408 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/WnqJGbOuLsg/видео.html

    • @dipanwitamandal7289
      @dipanwitamandal7289 2 года назад +2

      Except Nielsen, his family, and his whole fricking generation.

    • @ashtonwittmaier312
      @ashtonwittmaier312 Год назад +3

      @@dipanwitamandal7289 What cause he was unaware of somthing im highly guessing he didnt do?

    • @itbelikethat-
      @itbelikethat- Год назад +2

      @@ashtonwittmaier312 he should’ve known he couldn’t handle all those tasks on his own he’s trying to do 10 things at once Jesus Christ he’s got people life’s in his hands

    • @akpokemon
      @akpokemon Год назад +6

      @@itbelikethat- it's management's fault that they let his colleague sleep on the job. That's why they were prosecuted.

  • @jeyan65
    @jeyan65 2 года назад +12

    Many mistakes where committed that night mainly by SkyGuide . But nearby German ATC picked up the impending collision and tried calling Nielsen. However Skyguards phones were not working that night . The German ATC could have directly called the pilots and warned them . Unfortunately they decided to follow ‘ protocol ‘ which forbade them from contacting pilots not under their immediate control . Sometimes rules and protocols are meant to be broken and just utilize some common sense .

  • @dianeashworth2311
    @dianeashworth2311 Год назад +7

    What a sad, tragic story. The little time between impact and crash must have been horrific for the people on both aircraft. RIP to them and Nielsen and his family.

  • @slvrbullet22
    @slvrbullet22 3 года назад +218

    The second i read.. there's 45 children aboard this plane... My mom heart breaks. Holy hell the one dude got murdered after all of this. WOW. my jaw was on the frickin floor !

    • @razudinhamzah5789
      @razudinhamzah5789 3 года назад +2

      Worst than a serial killers...

    • @Yellagal
      @Yellagal 3 года назад +6

      My non-mom heart is broken! May they all rest in peace 💔

    • @siggifreud812
      @siggifreud812 2 года назад +1

      The architect who murdered the ATC guy did about 3 years in swiss prison and then was released and he returned to Russia.

  • @pmn2821
    @pmn2821 3 года назад +113

    Grown man here and this one's brining tears.

    • @govindarajram8553
      @govindarajram8553 3 года назад +3

      yes .

    • @Nickdevro
      @Nickdevro 3 года назад +2

      Ditto... 😢

    • @terryt5512
      @terryt5512 3 года назад +4

      Quite understandable. I've heard of this incident, but I had no idea about the murder of the controller in front of his family, by the heartsick man who lost his family in the
      crash. Utterly devastating.😢

    • @darrellswiger6335
      @darrellswiger6335 3 года назад +1

      😢🙏

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 3 года назад +5

      Real men always cry! Without that you would not be human!

  • @cambuurrinse
    @cambuurrinse 2 года назад +1

    this is so far the most realistic flight channel i found, videos take a bit longer but its explained better, great

  • @StephenLuke
    @StephenLuke 8 месяцев назад +3

    RIP
    To the passengers and crew of BAL Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 and the two pilots of DHL International Aviation ME Flight 611

  • @gamingwithjal7169
    @gamingwithjal7169 2 года назад +245

    For those who are wondering about the CVR: The CVR for the Russian plane was stored in the front section, so it was able to record a bit more after the initial collision.

  • @littlebitlost
    @littlebitlost 3 года назад +223

    If I remember correctly, the passengers aboard flight 2937 were supposed to fly out the previous day, but there was some kind of delay.
    The father who killed the controller was also the one that found his daughter's body in a field, and the documentary I watched stated that hers was the only one intact.
    His wife and son were found a couple of days later.
    This is an horrific accident, so much just went WRONG.
    Your videos are second to none, and I always look forward to an upload, thank you!
    May all souls rest in peace.

    • @bowlchamps37
      @bowlchamps37 3 года назад +43

      More than one body was intact. I was part of the first responders from the voluntary firefighters in Meersburg. Yes, the tragic about this was that the bus driver took the wrong route to the airport and the flight was delayed by one day. Otherwise that would have never happened. Sometimes delays and not getting on a plane saved lives (like in 9/11) but this time it was costly.

    • @Interdictiondeltawing
      @Interdictiondeltawing 3 года назад +9

      Yep The children were supposed to go on a different flight but then the agent accidentally send them to the wrong airport and were supposed to wait for a few days.

    • @selma9450
      @selma9450 3 года назад +1

      Which documentary did u watch

    • @duartesimoes508
      @duartesimoes508 3 года назад +10

      The wretched man was waiting for his family in Barcelona Airport. I just can’t imagine his despair.

    • @ahmedshakeel5112
      @ahmedshakeel5112 3 года назад

      @@Interdictiondeltawing Your right

  • @delilah2839
    @delilah2839 Год назад +6

    The sky is so huge. It's unbelievable that planes collide 😔

  • @pinnacleren4389
    @pinnacleren4389 2 года назад +6

    There's a documentary on this; one of the Russian parents was determined to find his daughter. He covered the crash site at one point discovering her teddy bear. He eventually discovered her body- although she was dead, her body was fully intact.

  • @renechaboyce8885
    @renechaboyce8885 3 года назад +407

    This was devastating. Utterly heartbreaking hearing about those kids and people who lost their lives. It's easy in these situations to play the blame game to determine "who's fault it was" but it was a tragic mistake and lives were lost. Rip and good work Flight Channel for another awesome video.

    • @Wukiee
      @Wukiee 3 года назад +7

      @@kindheart6411 exactly, its primarily the company's fault

    • @daviderhahon
      @daviderhahon 3 года назад +7

      No mistakes here.
      Lots of NEGLIGENCE.
      Normalisation of Deviance in a lot of ways.
      Still, RIP to all those lost.

    • @davidpowell3347
      @davidpowell3347 3 года назад +2

      There was legitimate blame. Not deliberate but negligent.

    • @mariaislabaez4842
      @mariaislabaez4842 3 года назад +12

      Everyone ignores your comment and immediately goes to blaming people underneath it lmao

    • @carlcushmanhybels8159
      @carlcushmanhybels8159 3 года назад +7

      @gargy2002 The Skyline company, likely for short term profits, mis-did their management: Only 1 active Controller for too big an area, and per management negligence: back up Controller allowed to sleep --against company policy and endangering lives. And: Controller not informed a key instrument for him was down: The Ground Radar that would have alerted him to the impending collision, in time to avoid it. There's a reason these kinds of accidents don't happen that often: =Other managers support their Controllers and maintain proper (if still pushed) Controller responsibility loads and supports. Plus, the pilots at the time werenot instructed to "Do what the TCAS says, priority." Now I think pilots are.

  • @raywagner8016
    @raywagner8016 3 года назад +51

    The Co-Pilot on the DHL plane (Brant) was my friend's brother in law. The family trip to the crash site took it's toll on all of them. The investigation and hearings were even worse.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 3 года назад +3

      @Ray Wagner
      Can you tell us a little about Brant? Thanks

    • @raywagner8016
      @raywagner8016 3 года назад +8

      @@watershed44 I did not know Brant personally. My friend's sister and Brant were moved to Bahrain by the time I met the family. I know he was very well liked, respected and loved as a husband, son in law and brother in law. It was incredibly hard on the family during the investigations due to the initial finger pointing. As you all know from what happened later, the fear of repercussion was resonant and later played out. A horrible outcome to a horrible event.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 3 года назад +2

      @@raywagner8016 Thanks for following up..

    • @preetishkumarnayak9061
      @preetishkumarnayak9061 3 года назад +2

      Hopefully everyone is at peace now🙏. Can't beleive but talking to someone so close to them makes me feel weird .

  • @lekhasoni7027
    @lekhasoni7027 Год назад

    Your videos are the best! Couldn't believe you could summarize what usually is a 1hr documentary into a more efficient 20 min one!!

  • @miketheyunggod2534
    @miketheyunggod2534 2 года назад +20

    With so much space in the sky, I don't see how two planes can ever hit each other even traveling at the same altitude. The chance of collision must be astronomical.

  • @andrewmarsden1970
    @andrewmarsden1970 3 года назад +159

    This one shocked me more than any of the other videos. To finally see the other plane must have been terrifying for both sets of pilots. The final twist in the story is awful.

    • @WiggleDraggy
      @WiggleDraggy 3 года назад +1

      @popo3365 There are anti collision systems on planes

    • @WiggleDraggy
      @WiggleDraggy 3 года назад

      @lalruatfela hrahsel Nope to use parachutes you need to be trained in them and unfortunately it can't be trained during preflight announcements etc so parachutes aren't used in civilian planes. There's lifejacket tho incase a plane crashses on a water body

    • @WiggleDraggy
      @WiggleDraggy 3 года назад

      @lalruatfela hrahsel Not entirely sure but i don't think they can

    • @gabrielandy9272
      @gabrielandy9272 Год назад

      lets not forget that even the tcas warning would already put you in some sort of fear because the system is designed to avoid colissions so if its warning non stop like that its because its thinking it will collide and then a few time later u see visually the plane, must make it even worse or think you did not follow tcas correctly or something.

  • @colegleeson3342
    @colegleeson3342 3 года назад +70

    The production quality of these videos is incredible

    • @ARedMotorcycle
      @ARedMotorcycle 3 года назад

      I hate these comments. I go to the comment section for interesting discussion and I always have to scroll past these mundane, repetitious, and boring praise comments. They're so common and all paraphrase the same point. I believe many of these comments could be bots. Why bother with these comments? If you like the video, hit like. You're not saying anything original, bot.

    • @colegleeson3342
      @colegleeson3342 3 года назад +6

      @@ARedMotorcycle gah damn who pissed in your cereal, just showing the man some love nothing wrong with that

    • @enus4206
      @enus4206 3 года назад +3

      @@ARedMotorcycle is it wrong to admire someone's work?

    • @AA-tz2bm
      @AA-tz2bm 3 года назад +2

      @@ARedMotorcycle why

  • @TheGuyInTheCar43
    @TheGuyInTheCar43 2 года назад +6

    I love this channel, it is entertaining yet still educational. Very sad situation my heart goes out to those who lost their lives or their loved one(s) in this accident. ❤️

  • @MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis
    @MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis Год назад +32

    I’m not a pilot, not an enthusiast, I’ve only flown about 20 times as a passenger on a plane but something about this channel is fascinating.
    Thank you for your effort and the excellent content. You have a new subscriber here.

    • @The68lespaul
      @The68lespaul Год назад

      i welcome any and all comment,s , as a private pilot , im only certified to fly 4 types of aircraft, my first lesson was in a cessna 152, then i moved on to a slightly larger plane the skyhawk cessna 172, again having a desire to try different aircraft, i flew the beech sundowner, , which had retractable gear, carried 6 passenger,s plus a co-pilot, and finally a cessna 310 twin , to get my instrument rating, and my multi engine rating as well , the 310 twin has 2 engines ,one on each wing, anyhow, i got to wondering, and asked my co-pilot, what would happen if all my instrument,s failed ? i mean im instrument rated, but what is one to do if his or her,s instruments all fail ? he had no answer, i told him, back when i was flying with my dad, many year,s ago he would let me take the yoke and fly his plane, which was a piper cherokee 180, fixed gear airplane , it was a pretty nice plane, i think i was about 7 or 8 yrs old , at the time dad let me fly his plane, the very FIRST THING I NOTICED , i could FEEL what the plane was doing, i didnt need to look at my instrument,s , i didnt know what any of them meant anyhow,lol, so Dad said to me push the yoke in , i did, Dad ask,s me, whats the plane doing son ? i said , its going down, he asked me how do you know this ? i answered, i can FEEL a dropping sensation , he then asked me to pull back on the yoke, dad said ,whats it doing now, i said , it FEELS like its going up, and so on he had me experience every aspect or function of the plane, i used the yoke, the rudder pedal,s the flap,s and the aileron,s without knowing a damn thing about instrument,s i could FEEL everything the plane did or acted, one time while we were flying at night, thats the one time he got me , meaning, i knew how to use all the mechcanic,s of the plane, or i should say all the steering component,s ,plus i used the throttle , and carb heat and the ignition key to check the mag,s we did that on the ground, you check the left, then the right, back to both, check your fuel selector, and master switch, he taught me everything about his 180, by the time i was 15 i was flying without a lic. but he didnt seem to care ,lol, i didnt either,lol, but he told me , your a natural at this, good boy, but the time we went flying at night, we fly way out over the bay past the bay bridge, where there,s no light,s of any kind, or ground light,s to see the ground, i did look over at the altimeter to see how high we were, he said , what are you doing, i said, i dont know how high we are , now, had my instruments failed at night, with no way of seeing the ground, i had absolutely no idea as to how high or low the plane was, that was a very scary flight, pitch black, no light,s cant see the ground, and no altimeter, oh shit, now what ?? lol, okay, he told me to take out my quick reference hand book, i looked up area airport,s with radar, tuned my radio , and turned on my battery operated transponder, sqawked 122.32 , and asked the ATC , whats my altitude , this is November 77011 , requesting altitude , the ATC, came back and gave me my location ,heading and altitude, and air speed, of course this was a test to see how i would handle a situation like this, flying at night , no instrument,s , cant see the ground, nor any beacon,s or an ILS approach, but having complete failure , a ILS approach is out of the question, the ATC guided me to a local airport, and the runway lit up like a christmas tree ,lol, what an experience,lol, ive been flying as a private pilot with a LIC. lol, since 1991 , and bought a used stationair II , retractable , fully loaded, dual nav. all the bell,s and whistles , flying can be a wonderful fun thing people can enjoy, thing is, and i always tell myself this before each and every flight, expect, the unexpected, oh and , the runway behind you isnt doing you a damn bit of good, lol, until your wheel,s are firmly on the ground, your not down, nor can you begin to apply your brakes, but more over, have a blast, lol, Sincerely, W.H.W. 2-15-23 flying is fun, !!!

    • @HurremHasekii
      @HurremHasekii Год назад

      Only 20 times…

  • @Boki9
    @Boki9 3 года назад +181

    im already terrified of flying, why the hell do i keep watching these videos.

    • @Relevance4life
      @Relevance4life 2 года назад +5

      Lolz, I just landed in my home country after going on a 5 flights in 10days spree. I always avoid these videos a month to flying. Once I’m back, I resume

    • @astrangerhere
      @astrangerhere 2 года назад +5

      I always have to remind myself that, statistically speaking, I am more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the airport than in a plane wreck. Also more likely to be struck by lightning or eaten by a shark.

    • @mariazapata5064
      @mariazapata5064 2 года назад +2

      🤣🤣🤣 oh gosh! I was thinking just that!

    • @rickipaddon6962
      @rickipaddon6962 2 года назад +2

      Me too!

    • @portalmorros8408
      @portalmorros8408 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/WnqJGbOuLsg/видео.html

  • @BM-nr8wh
    @BM-nr8wh 2 года назад +737

    What an extremely shocking tragedy all round. Even the poor ATC paid with his life in the end, in front of his own family. No winners. Shocking story.

    • @zikalokof1challenge414
      @zikalokof1challenge414 2 года назад +73

      @@dipanwitamandal7289 They didnt had anything to do with the crash, even if you are pro-Vitaly in this case, you should know that they were the least deserving to get killed about all of this

    • @BM-nr8wh
      @BM-nr8wh 2 года назад +109

      @@dipanwitamandal7289 No-one deserved to die!! What an awful comment.

    • @mayTK
      @mayTK 2 года назад +80

      @@dipanwitamandal7289 for what reason? Did they do any wrong doing? Even ATC didn't deserve to die, he wasn't aware of the TCAS suggestion. It's tragic. What about russian pilot who decended instead of being suggested to climb? What about his family? Should they also be murdered too coz their dad didn't follow TCAS suggestion? That's more relevant than ATC family.

    • @eduarddv00
      @eduarddv00 2 года назад +4

      @@mayTK i thought it was made perfectly clear that the pilot was following the atc's suggestions. so it shd clear him of any wrongdoing

    • @frits191
      @frits191 2 года назад +18

      @@eduarddv00 mistakes were made on both sides, miscomunnication being the foremost, its very easy to blame it all on one person isn't it?

  • @mph1ish
    @mph1ish 2 года назад +9

    This has to be the most horrific of all the crashes TFC has covered. Such tremendous grief for all families involved. May God have mercy on all who died, including the ATC who was murdered. And also Lord have mercy on the poor man who murdered him.

    • @Buyanjagal.B
      @Buyanjagal.B Год назад

      About this tragedy after 20 years
      ruclips.net/video/Wljzrew-EPI/видео.html

  • @WRIT3R1
    @WRIT3R1 2 года назад +6

    15:35
    This moment was sad for me, you can literally hear the captain and the others try to climb while TCAS keeps saying “climb.”
    Rest in Peace to everyone who died that day.

  • @safatiscool4684
    @safatiscool4684 3 года назад +850

    Imagine having a school trip and then dying,
    How sad :(
    Edit: mom I'm famous!

    • @lucassteen4050
      @lucassteen4050 3 года назад +27

      Was not it similiar with Germanwings 9525?

    • @TophatDude1
      @TophatDude1 3 года назад +4

      so sad 😭

    • @muralamoomum8287
      @muralamoomum8287 3 года назад +23

      Happened on 9/11 too the plane that hit the pentagon had a group of unaccompanied minors on board on a school trip for something ( I cant remember I want to say a spelling bee or something) I just keep imagining being their parents knowing they probably were crying for you and there was nothing you could do
      "Three of them were 11-year-old 6th graders traveling with their teachers to California for a special trip awarded to them by National Geographic"

    • @midcenturymodern9330
      @midcenturymodern9330 3 года назад +9

      The only "good" thing about it was that the end was quick. The kids did not suffer. It's still profoundly sad.

    • @ih82r8
      @ih82r8 3 года назад +11

      The kids on the Sewol ferry in South Korea can totally relate.

  • @MrCrystalcranium
    @MrCrystalcranium 3 года назад +366

    This is your best production in all of the years you have done this. You are in a league of your own with these air disaster presentations. This tragedy is one of the saddest in aviation history. The confluence of circumstances is just unbelievable. Those poor children. I think the father who murdered the controller was found guilty but was given a slap on the wrist serving only a couple of years and then released? So many tragic people in this incident. Your presentation evoked so many emotions in me...sadness...anger...anxiety...this is why your weekly creations are the best on the web. I agree some kind of special channel on Netflix would be the proper venue for productions of this quality. Superb!

  • @johnpbosum1705
    @johnpbosum1705 11 месяцев назад +3

    the thing that really hurts me is that more than half on those passengers where children, all they wanted to do was have a fun fieldtrip, but instead they got this crap, its not fair for anyones life to end like this.

  • @J3715
    @J3715 2 года назад +8

    Two things left out of the video were that the ground based collision system was taken off line due to repairs being made and the on duty flight controller was not notified of this. And the telephones in the ATC center were not operational at the time of the crash. An adjacent ATC center saw the conflict but could not act on it directly because he did not have jurisdiction over the air where the conflict was occurring. The other ATC tried to call Neilson on the phone but sadly the phones were not working in his office. US and most euro pilots at the time were already instructed to listen to TCAS where Russians at the time were still told to listen to ATC instructions. After this incident all pilots flying are to listen to TCAS.

    • @kurodearest2094
      @kurodearest2094 Год назад

      They talked about the system being off and the controller not knowing this at the end of the video

  • @bogdan_n
    @bogdan_n 3 года назад +149

    Another perfect "Swiss cheese" model. One controller working two areas, with multiple equipments down for maintenance, and at that time, russian regulations stated that it was the captain's decision whether to follow TCAS or ATC instructions. Aviation rules and regulations are written in blood.

    • @gaborszabo6406
      @gaborszabo6406 3 года назад +3

      Yes. And i can understand russian engineer. Of course its not helping, but i can understand,

    • @tima.478
      @tima.478 3 года назад +4

      Yep, Human Factors for real!!!

    • @vividvault9285
      @vividvault9285 3 года назад +17

      Well, Russian regulations need revision.
      If you have millions of dollars in equipment, devices, and sensors that are telling you something is wrong, it is unwise to ignore it just because you are not legally obligated by your country's regulations

    • @MI1T
      @MI1T 3 года назад +3

      @@vividvault9285 It's about not trusting those "millions of dollars in equipment". Humans are still piloting, cause they are another failsafe. Whom to trust is a big question.

    • @gaborszabo6406
      @gaborszabo6406 3 года назад +1

      @@vividvault9285 you dont know anything about Russians, than.

  • @SinisterCity
    @SinisterCity 3 года назад +291

    _Literally,_ what are the *odds* with all the sky available. It’s extremely saddening this wasn’t avoided. Rest In Paradise to those lost in the horrible event.

    • @LucaPed94
      @LucaPed94 2 года назад +38

      True but keep in mind planes dont actually just fly in any airspace. There are actually "roads" in the sky too that all planes follow and intersect.

    • @devintariel3769
      @devintariel3769 2 года назад +3

      Like he said, the roadways of the air are the intersections of the radio beacons, as well as arbitrary waypoints via GPS that are also dependent on those airways.

  • @saraburr3977
    @saraburr3977 Год назад +6

    This channel is fantastic - although my young niece is set on a career as a pilot or air traffic controller so it also scares me a bit! Thank you for such informative, factual and compassionate videos - this channel is a fantastic find.

    • @Alexander_Grant
      @Alexander_Grant 10 месяцев назад

      Far more danger in driving to work to be a pilot than flying the plane.

  • @DDHRH-jd2sg
    @DDHRH-jd2sg 2 года назад +3

    This was just so preventable

    • @timsonins
      @timsonins 2 года назад

      Many such accidents are prevented each month. For years.

    • @DDHRH-jd2sg
      @DDHRH-jd2sg 2 года назад +2

      @@timsonins all crashes are preventable, it just depends how much..

  • @jan-lukas
    @jan-lukas 3 года назад +58

    There's a reason to follow the TCAS instructions. There was a near collision in Japan, and this disaster. If you have received any advisory from TCAS, you have to disregard any ATC instructions and do what TCAS tells you to. This is the reason

    • @marcochiado1879
      @marcochiado1879 3 года назад +1

      A year prior

    • @timb583
      @timb583 3 года назад +6

      And yet even after the mid air incident in Japan-nearly the worst aviation accident in history-international aviation regulatory agencies could not be bothered to clarify the importance of obeying TCAS over ATC commands. Simply inexcusable.

    • @slipperyhardandcold7740
      @slipperyhardandcold7740 3 года назад +3

      Should the pilot inform the ATC "Responding to TCAS". At least try to keep ATC in the loop.

    • @duartesimoes508
      @duartesimoes508 3 года назад +9

      @@slipperyhardandcold7740 they are mandated to do so, yes. They must report “TCAS alert” in the beginning of the incident and “End of conflict” in the end. In the mean time the Controller is forbidden to intervene.

    • @LU-hh1tq
      @LU-hh1tq 3 года назад +4

      @@slipperyhardandcold7740 well, DHL pilot did report it and the ATC either didn't receive it or ignored it

  • @blackrainbow4467
    @blackrainbow4467 3 года назад +861

    I remember seeing this on Air Crash Investigation, one of the saddest aviation accidents. I always feel bad for Nielsen, he didn't deserve to get killed

    • @RutujaDicholkar
      @RutujaDicholkar 3 года назад +5

      Which season and episode was this?

    • @blackrainbow4467
      @blackrainbow4467 3 года назад +38

      @@RutujaDicholkar Season 2, episode 4, entitled "Deadly Crossroads"

    • @mariamagdalenamixuhca2023
      @mariamagdalenamixuhca2023 3 года назад +84

      He didn't deserve to live after being the direct, immediate and ultimate cause of so many innocent deaths.
      His "descend...expedite traffic" instruction showed not a hint of the grave concern potential massive loss of HUMAN LIFE that he SHOULD'VE had at that moment when he realized HE HIMSELF had placed two flights on a collision course. And he really did NOT have that many airplanes to take care at that moment...just compare his workload at that time with that of those who run approaches to any of the major hub airports in the USA.

    • @RutujaDicholkar
      @RutujaDicholkar 3 года назад +1

      @@blackrainbow4467 thank you so much!

    • @barryaiello3127
      @barryaiello3127 3 года назад +212

      @@mariamagdalenamixuhca2023 As mentioned in the vid, a piece of key equipment was not available to him that would have alerted him to the possibility of a conflict much sooner. When you say to "compare workload" you base it off what you "think" controllers are tasked with but since you have zero experience at doing this job your just talking your our a$$ and you know it. Yea, he made a horrible mistake so lets brutally kill him IN FRONT OF HIS THREE KIDS, what kind of person thinks that's OK?.

  • @nursedro2373
    @nursedro2373 2 года назад

    Such nice music and flow. Very artistic yet technically informative. Really great work!

  • @user-yd3kb1jt3g
    @user-yd3kb1jt3g Год назад

    thissss flight channel is top tierrrr!!!! the animations and stimulations are amazing. i just know they require much dedication and talent. kudos to the creator! favorite channel❤️

  • @yssyplanes
    @yssyplanes 3 года назад +320

    No one deserves do die like that. Rest In Peace to the DHL crew, the Bashkirian passengers and crew and Mr. Nielson

    • @sciencefriction315
      @sciencefriction315 3 года назад +4

      GOD obviously felt different. #giveupgod

    • @aerofiles5044
      @aerofiles5044 2 года назад +14

      @@sciencefriction315 Uhm what?

    • @nigeldenning5810
      @nigeldenning5810 2 года назад +1

      Fuck the DHL crew. They were responsible. Them being dead at least means no-one needs to suffer or die for their incompetence. You NEVER NEVER NEVER change flight level without advising ATC. Worse still they were all on the same frequency so why on God's green earth did the DHL crew not hear that the Tupelov was being toldbto descend? The DHL crew were disengaged, disinterested, non-communicative, rule-breakers who were a danger to other aircraft.

    • @drone6581
      @drone6581 2 года назад +30

      @@nigeldenning5810 what? The Russian crew ignore the warnings and ignore to climb as instructed to avoid collision. The warning system exist for a reason🙄 The Russian crew was at fault for failing to change direction

    • @thegto8535
      @thegto8535 2 года назад +14

      @@drone6581 You are thinking using today knowledge. TCAS was quite new on commercial aircraft back then, it only became mandatory in 2003. For the Russian pilots, they had direct contact with the ATC so they probably thought they were ok. Also you seem to be totally unaware of russian regulations back then otherwise you wouldn't comment that. It's definitely not more their fault than the ATC giving false info on the plane location and the DHL crew who didn't communicate what they did after being instructed otherwise. Anyway everything that could go wrong did and the result was a disaster.

  • @delboogieduc
    @delboogieduc 2 года назад +295

    In addition to ATC being taught not to contradict TCAS resolutions, pilots normally inform us ( I am a controller) that they are responding to a TCAS resolution so that we know what’s they’re doing as well. Helps keep all of us on the same page.

    • @saoirseL
      @saoirseL 2 года назад

      we would hope they are informing everyone

    • @abnnizzy
      @abnnizzy 2 года назад +26

      The DHL informed ATC about the TCA resolution, but ATC wasn't listening cause he was advising another traffic.

    • @bobby1970
      @bobby1970 2 года назад +3

      I think TCAS II downlinks that information automatically to the controllers now.

    • @markheinle6319
      @markheinle6319 2 года назад +9

      @@abnnizzy why didnt the controller contact the DHL flight at all during this? theres only 2 planes involved, not 50. the video describes 10 seconds going by at one point. this didnt happen instantly. why didnt the controller contact both flights? he had time. plane 1 - descend to 34000. plane 2 - ascend to 3600. i have the other plane descending.
      i dont get it. he just kept talking to the one plane only.

    • @SweetCakeLover
      @SweetCakeLover 2 года назад +1

      I'm curious, dont the radars in front of the screen show when an airplane descends? Like, numbers next to the plane? Would it have been possible for the ATC to see DHL plane descending?

  • @Quack62
    @Quack62 2 года назад

    man ur so good at making this stuff

  • @rosa4ka
    @rosa4ka 2 года назад

    My favorite flight channel
    Great video always . Thank you ☺️

  • @Dick_Z_Normas
    @Dick_Z_Normas 3 года назад +23

    It takes an incredible amount of bad luck for 2 aircraft to meet in exactly the same airspace at exactly the same time. Midair collisions are extremely rare considering the billions of air miles and millions of flights every year.

    • @jenkem4464
      @jenkem4464 3 года назад +5

      Especially the chain of actions taken to avoid that directly contributed to the crash. It's like that time travel paradox where you try to avoid a known fate but end up causing that fate by trying to change it.

    • @duartesimoes508
      @duartesimoes508 3 года назад

      In 31 years as ATCo I witnessed one, with a working mate. Two Cessna 152 with one student in each. Both were killed. For several worthy reasons, the Controller was acquitted.

  • @HRTharboy
    @HRTharboy 3 года назад +74

    One of the saddest days in aviation. They got many chances to avoid the collision. Unfortunately, fate doesn't play nice.

    • @sorgfaeltig
      @sorgfaeltig 3 года назад +9

      It's not fate. The accident was ultimatively caused because the Russian aviation philosophy did not allow the TCAS systen to work as designed, as a last safety barrier in case the pilots or the ATC fail to provide correct separation. The failure of the Russian captain to follow the TCAS resolution advisory, and the failure of the Russian Aviation Authority to instruct Russian pilots to give priority to the TCAS Resolution Advisories over the instructions given by the ATC, and to communicate immediately to the ATC that they are in a "TCAS climb" (or "TCAS descend") The TCAS is designed not "to lessen the fatalities in collisions" but to be a last resort safety barrier in case the pilots OR THE ATC is commiting an error. This safety barrier did not function as designed because it was not applied correctly by the Russian side. The two MAIN culprits in this case are -1- the captain of the Tu-154 and -2- the Russian Aviation Authority failing to explain the Russion aircrew CLEARLY that the TCAS Resolution Advisory has ALWAYS the priority over the ATCs instructions AND the captains authority - even while the TCAS-System is a Western-Designed system.

    • @tensevo
      @tensevo 3 года назад +1

      We always get chances to escape if we learn to read the warnings.

    • @HRTharboy
      @HRTharboy 3 года назад +1

      @@sorgfaeltig a human voice conveys urgency much better than a mechanical recorded one. That element played a huge part. ATC did not monitor the changing situation and did not issue separation instructions when they should have.
      The DHL pilot should have dived at the second advisory.
      But let us blame the Russians.

    • @sorgfaeltig
      @sorgfaeltig 3 года назад +4

      @@HRTharboy It seems that you do not understand how the TCAS Resolution Advisory works and for what it is designed nor do you understand that it can only function and save lives when the pilot gives FIRST PRIORITY to the commands of the TCAS system. If a pilot understands this, then the "mechanical voice", as you call it, has a greater urgency to the pilot than any other voice. But if he does not understand the priority and the urgency he can pay with his life, and saddly also taking other lives. Do you really think the Russian captain did nothing wrong ? Do you really believe that the Russian Aviation Authorities have had the correct oversight in the instruction of Russian pilots to the TCAS-system? Do you really want to blame the DHL pilot who followed the TCAS Resolution Advisory ?

    • @HRTharboy
      @HRTharboy 3 года назад +1

      @@sorgfaeltig many factors were at play. So fate.

  • @brianuuuSonicReborn
    @brianuuuSonicReborn 2 года назад +3

    I always been fascinated by the TCAS system because it works both ways, but it's also something you never want to hear in the first place.

  • @jude999
    @jude999 2 месяца назад +1

    what makes these so compelling is no narration and no mellow dramatic music. Lesson learned from these videos--never let the pilot take a bathroom break and always trust your instruments.

  • @skullmint9430
    @skullmint9430 3 года назад +76

    A lot of lives were lost due to this. May their souls rest in peace😞😔😢

  • @Maker24eu
    @Maker24eu 3 года назад +24

    I can remember, the accident happened around 30km away from my home. Today there is built a memorial for all the victims who lost their lives.
    The fireball of the collision could be seen during this summer night, on the first look no one thought about such a tragedy.

  • @Mcoogie
    @Mcoogie 2 года назад +1

    I'm sorry for how this affected everyone involved. This is so sad, so horrible. I hope they all find peace, both to the living and the passed. 🙏

  • @francisfournier3177
    @francisfournier3177 Год назад +4

    Today, twenty years ago.

  • @kathylingen1667
    @kathylingen1667 2 года назад +66

    That was incredible. The reconstruction was so real. I am so sorry to those who lost family members including the air traffic controller's family.
    It is a reminder that disasters are so far reaching it is almost impossible to comprehend.

  • @collinfraser1218
    @collinfraser1218 3 года назад +250

    As retired pilot, reading this report at the time, was tough. Condolences to loved ones 🙏🇨🇦

    • @sweetzs100
      @sweetzs100 2 года назад +5

      Is this something pilots learn about in school?

    • @dennisz1252
      @dennisz1252 2 года назад +10

      @@sweetzs100 Learn the mistakes of the past to prevent the same mistakes in the present.

    • @trippen4391
      @trippen4391 Год назад +1

      🤍🤍🤍🖐🏽 🇺🇸

    • @craigbmm4675
      @craigbmm4675 Год назад

      hey Collin .. planes need better information on these traffic avoidance systems? .. like climb climb to 036 .. whereas the other plane needs to be instructed to a vertical space below .. decend decend to 034 .. that way both planes know where to be .. they need to make these systems better .. fool proof .. giving direct altitude heights seems like . not to mention better ATC stewards .. these crashes should not be happening in this day and age . very sad and avoidable seems like

  • @gabrielroque6664
    @gabrielroque6664 2 года назад +3

    What shocks me the most is that Vitaly Kaloyev (the architect) was considered a hero, to his community and government, for killing the air traffic controller and his family. What a sick world we live in.

  • @kelvintrinidad3696
    @kelvintrinidad3696 Год назад +4

    Can’t believe it’s already 20 years anniversary the death of victim passengers include 45 school children from Ufa Russia and Vitaly Kaloyev’s family since July 1, 2002. RIP to all passengers and to the two pilots of DHL 757 especially to the air traffic controller, Peter Nielsen who he was stabbed to death and murdered by Vitaly on February 2004 for negligence the air traffic.

  • @GhxstSim
    @GhxstSim 3 года назад +115

    My final conclusion thesis in the university was about this accident. Such an unique event that aviation has learned a lot regarding flight safety and the continuous use of TCAS throughout the years.

  • @agisikapasouris3410
    @agisikapasouris3410 3 года назад +45

    Here is my advice to pilots: Always listen to TCAS no matter what.

    • @TennilleE82
      @TennilleE82 2 года назад +2

      Listen to TCAS and advise controllers that is what you are doing.

  • @_ellasarpong_
    @_ellasarpong_ 2 года назад +3

    71 people?
    Damn that's a lot..
    So sorry for the families of the victims, may their soul RIPP 🕊️

  • @timhunt1482
    @timhunt1482 Год назад +1

    Cried cried my ass off when I saw the father picked up his little girl with the ponytail I can't get that Vision out of my head and what happened to those scattered people all over the the ground

  • @dado-7775
    @dado-7775 3 года назад +85

    Just how many factors have aligned together so this tragic incident had to happen it is mind-blowing:
    1. His colleague left for a coffee break just right before the crucial moments.
    2. Maintenance took place at that time, which disabled some functionality of the console.
    3. Air collision system was turned off. ATC controller Nielsen was unaware of that.
    4. By the mistake of maintenance stuff, the phone lines were cutt off.
    5. Just right at the time before the 2 planes were about to collide, the other plane required time-consuming assistance
    6. The ATC was not able to reroute the plane to another ATC as phone lines were disabled (point 4)
    7. Also because of 4, German ATC who was alarmed of the collision by his console, was not able to contact ATC. (For me it is also mind blowing that it was forbidden for him to contact the planes, I assume this is standard for the planes that are not in the scope of specific ATC)
    8. Finally, crucial unfold of the tragic. At the same time when TCAS has warned the pilots, one plane followed TCAS order, the other followed ATC Controller instruction.
    9. If just only the either of the planes was for just 1 second late or faster, there would be no collision.

    • @AwesomeJaneUniverse
      @AwesomeJaneUniverse Год назад

      To be fair, it's not a coincidence. The combination of those factors WAS the cause, otherwise it probably would have not happened.

    • @loki4236
      @loki4236 Год назад +1

      I was thinking the same if one plane was fast and other slower 😢

    • @chronos-jk4vc
      @chronos-jk4vc Год назад +3

      if only the russian plane climbed a second earlier, or if only the 757 descended a wee but faster. Everyone would still be alive. Nielsen's family won't be grieving their father's and husband's death in the hands of an angry russian who lost his family. If only Nielsen had been noticed about the maintenance, or if only his partner was awake. Too many possibilities that would have better outcomes, yet what happened was the worst of the possibilities.

    • @josepharnold8422
      @josepharnold8422 Год назад +1

      Allow me to comment on the maintenance aspect. While I was in the Air Force my job was maintaining the ground base navigation and landing aid systems (ILS). Like everything else man designs and builds maintenance has to be performed on given equipment and there are times the equipment has to be taken off line to perform that maintenance. There never is a perfect time to take such equipment off line so efforts are made to do that at times of least activity which was probably the case here. I'm thinking that in that case the controller who was on break should have been called back to his station.

    • @mikeprevost8650
      @mikeprevost8650 Год назад +4

      Privatization of ATC by handing it to a for-profit company that tolerates shortcuts that disregard established procedures---what a capital idea. 🙄

  • @ragacsaxeli
    @ragacsaxeli 3 года назад +71

    One of the most devastating aviation disasters in history and the one that could have been prevented on any other given day. Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong, and Peter Nielsen's story is so tragic, I don't even want to imagine what he felt when he first realized what happened and in the coming days he would have found out how many children died during the accident, no wonder why he struggled with PTSD for the rest of his life :(

    • @Benji-jj2bg
      @Benji-jj2bg 2 года назад +9

      What he felt was nothing compared to the families of all those kids that died because of his foolishness.

    • @goldminer1275
      @goldminer1275 2 года назад +55

      @@Benji-jj2bg don’t even say that. It wasn’t his fault, it was the companies. Put yourself in his shoes, controlling 5 planes by himself with equipment that he didn’t even know were offline. The task he did was meant for 2 people, not 1. Shame on you for calling it foolishness, it is foolish for you to even say that

    • @curiuzcatz5032
      @curiuzcatz5032 2 года назад +14

      @@goldminer1275 Literally

    • @3rdkenp
      @3rdkenp Год назад +6

      @@goldminer1275 he was foolish 100% and got what he deserved. He accepted the job understanding the assignment and risk/responsibility and yet still didn't speak up. All cause the other traffic officer needed sleep.

    • @goosemontv
      @goosemontv Год назад +7

      @@3rdkenp 💩

  • @shayneelizabeth358
    @shayneelizabeth358 Год назад +7

    It breaks my heart that Nielsen was so traumatized that he needed to be hospitalized. I can’t imagine the guilt.

    • @analyticalhabitrails9857
      @analyticalhabitrails9857 5 месяцев назад

      HA!!!!
      And what about the grief stricken russian dad?!?! He didn't get any help!!
      Where was help for the russian man??

  • @brianobrian6637
    @brianobrian6637 Год назад +74

    I remember when the crash & subsequent murder happened. This was an awfully sad incident & it's tough (for me atleast) to fault either of the flight crews. Having an a.t.c. giving you conflicting instructions to t.c.a.s., at least prior to this incident, is just an awful situation to be in! A live person v.s. a very calm, mono tone machine generated voice. Improvements where made with t.c.a.s. & pilots were trained on how to respond if in a similar situation. My thought & prayers to all involved + their loved one's. If one had to place blame based on facts, I personally don't place it on either flight crew

    • @sred5856
      @sred5856 Год назад +3

      Clearly no one claimed that either of the pilots were at fault. But remember ATC only asked one pilot to descend. The other pilot did not inform he too is descending due to TCAS.

    • @brianobrian6637
      @brianobrian6637 Год назад +2

      @@sred5856 That wasn't my recollection. Initially, or shortly after, one of the flight crews was "Said" to be at fault. You can probably guess where the blame came from. I also cannot stress to people that at that time; This scenario hadn't been covered in great detail & What cannot be over emphasized is the calm, no emotion, mono machine tone of t.c.a.s. Vs. A human who clearly knew he had a problem. Sadly, I don't think even he knew the extent & gravity of his rapidly evolving, tragic instructions. I'm fairly certain that company also was found to be dangerously lax in its implementation of protocols and safety. In the end the a.t.c. essentially was found at fault. It would be interesting to know if any of that companies executives faced any type of charges or backlash. I.m.o. This was an easily avoidable accident in which many factors combined to culminate in a tragedy of giant consequences & sadness. Idk about anyone else but being a plane full of young students, of which I can only imagine the excitement on board, cut short in an absolutely gruesome manner.

    • @sred5856
      @sred5856 Год назад +4

      @@brianobrian6637 Yes, this was unfortunately an accident that could have been avoided - traffic management is the responsibility of the ATC whose task is primarliy to keep planes safe in the sky. Obviously nothing was intentionally committed by any party, but there was a lack of redundancy - something critical in this industry.

  • @j.e.p.459
    @j.e.p.459 3 года назад +177

    The day has finally come Überlingen is here

  • @darrenyoung3102
    @darrenyoung3102 2 года назад +31

    Rest in peace everybody that lost their lives in this heartbreaking incident, especially the children, it was not your time.

  • @sred5856
    @sred5856 Год назад +2

    Not sure how the ATC is at fault here. He atleast tried to move one flight (TU) down hoping that the other flight would stay level. But both planes moved down (TCAS). If the DHL pilot had informed that he was descending, it could have changed Nielsen's call.

  • @johnsevrin3806
    @johnsevrin3806 Год назад

    Great video!