Both videos on the SC are great. I would add one comment on corrosion: there are plenty of instances of cars with corrosion problems and often in the same places that aren't very visible until it starts to rust through. The galvanization process certainly helps prevent catastrophic corrosion unless the undercoating is eroded away, but there are spots worth looking at because they tend to collect debris from the road over time and trap moisture. By far the worst is the drive side front fender. There is a sortof shelf where the bumper mounts on this side that can collect road debris, but it's worse on the driver side because the fuel evaporative canister doesn't cover the space the way it does on the passenger side. This allows debris from the road to kick up and collect on that shelf, eventually rusting from the outside in towards the frunk. You'll start to see corrosion coming through above the battery. When I removed my fender, a small sand castle of 43 y/o debris fell out. This can turn into a major issue because mounting and re-aligning the bumper mount for welding is tedious and difficult. I'm convinced most of these cars have at least started rusting here, I dare to say it's a design flaw. The lock pillars also tend to collect crap from the rear wheels tossing debris up into them that collects over time. They rust up through the rocker panel and this is not easily visible until it starts to come through. Given Targas tend to leak, you may also find corrosion along the rear of the door sill or at the base under the cover that's not visible until it's too late, it can also leak into the rocker panel via the holes and rust inside, requiring that section to be cut out. Corrosion along window seals for the windshield and rear glass also isn't uncommon, I've seen several with this issue. Finally, there is a cross bar in the front pan that has holes in it that are normally plugged. This is just behind the front condenser cover. If those plugs fall out, it's easy for debris to get trapped up there and it to rust from the inside out and this is a majorly intensive repair. I've also heard of issues around strut mounts. It may also be worth mentioning that the front condenser fans tend to seize and be a fire hazard. Mine was seized totally when I removed it, but thankfully disconnected.
I wish there was a PDF we could download that had all the things to look for. I guess I’ll try and take notes as I watch again. Going to check out an SC this weekend and this is such valuable information! Thanks PCA and Nathan! Long time PCA member for 15+ years!
Great video ! It confirms a lot about my 81 SC that I have owned 35 years. I got lucky that the original owner took good care of it ! This really shows what to look for on an SC !
35:53 I would add that if you're going to be under someone else's car even without jacking it up, wheel chocks are a good idea. You don't yet know whether the parking brake is reliable and whether the ground the car is on is perfectly level, especially if you're angling it off a curb like this.
Invaluable videos PCA, please continue to bring more of these videos working through the various early model Porsche cars. I have to say it would be interesting to have a video from Nathan giving us a perspective on his collection. Given his knowledge of Porsche, it would be informative to understand his approach to collecting, especially that old Ford pickup sitting in the background😊
@bluesky9093 thanks for the kind words! While you will generally see a car or two of mine in many of my videos, you won't ever see me create a video featuring all of them as I detest the word/connotation of "collection" as it implies just acquiring for the purpose of acquiring, for some sort of financial gain/instrument or to impress others. I don't want to impress anyone, I buy what lights my heart on fire regardless of what others might think, therefore some of my cars might be interesting and others you might think, what the ..... ! I encourage everyone to buy what excites them! For example that 1966 Ford F100 in the background? I LOVE LOVE LOVE that truck, I get giddy just walking past it, hence why it lives in my garage. That's the spirit I want to encourage!
Thanks to Nathan & Damien for these great videos on the SC. I drove a Targa for most of the 90s & loved it. I still recall a yellow SC with some Elephant Racing suspension upgrades that was on Craigslist for $12,500 in Olympia. A lot of life was happening, seven cars including an F 250 Camper Special not as nice as your lowered green & white beauty. Have fun.
What a great 911 SC nerd out. I say that with gratitude. I would love to learn more about the challenges and solutions with A/C in aircooled 911's. This is one weakness that stops me from looking at these seriously. It's a deal breaker in Georgia.
Check out Classic Retrofit, they make an electric replacement system that is supposed to be very effective. It's costly but if you plan to DD one then it might make it more viable. I would add one comment if you've never driven one: these cars ventilate very well. I know that's an odd comment, but when you open a window in the car, you can feel the air circulating through the car in ways I haven't experienced with modern cars. I drove mine without AC in warmer temps and it's more comfortable than you'd expect, but it definitely gets bad when the car isn't going 40mph+. Modern cars you get that breeze on your face, sure, but with my SC opening the windows you can almost feel the air circulating right away and it cools the car down a fair bit. Sucks in rain and slow driving traffic though.
Loved my 79 SC, modded it to the best of the car, it was a go carts. Sold it like an idiot for $17k before the “wave” 😢 Agree with you, it took my 4 years to find what I wanted…
“This guy, he would be hard to spend any time with….”😂. If you are trying to sell him a car, maybe 🤣. Great content. Used a lot of it from prior videos in my 930 purchase.
QUESTION: I have a 1971 911T. I usually let the car idle for a few minutes before driving. Is that not good practice? Nathan noted that air cooled cars should be driven lightly right away after starting.
This was an excellent video! I love my SC such a solid car. I would love to see a series of videos like this covering 944’s. Maybe an early NA late NA and S. Know they are not as loved but I find my early NA equally fun to drive and they just don’t get the coverage the 911 gets.
@marcsmith2033 I would LOVE to do a 944 video and it is on my to do list! I have owned many over the years and you might even spot my 1986 944 Turbo in the background! When you say they aren't as loved, maybe not as widely, but for those of us in the know, we LOVE them!!
Looking at 85 for sale. Says the fuel system needs to be looked at as its been sitting for awhile. Would fuel pumps be an issue or rust in the tank for those years?
Awesome video as always! Nathan one question for you is: what is that "tag" that has 2 rivets on it on the driver side A pillar? Seems all of the air cooled cars have it and always wondered what they were for.
@Mar3nBu that is the paint color tag, which was eliminated after 1980. You can learn more about it on the complete SC video: ruclips.net/video/EPo5Pv5og9g/видео.html starting at ~1:03
Actually I was asking about the “tag” on the A pillar that is middle high next to the windshield. It doesn’t say anything but always wondered what it was.
Congrats on these videos about the SC. What a great car it is ! Lots of tips here, even for people who know their Porsches. I noticed the seconds hand on the clock is not moving. That’s not normal, is it?
@francoislopin6372 the orange hand on the clock is NOT a second hand, it's a manual timer. For example if you wanted to demarcate a certain time you can set it to that spot on the clock. So they never move.
? This example is "too nice" & all 1980's had 85mph speedo & this does not. I have 1980 Targa "driver" no accidents for 30 yrs. You said not to replace Targa seals but they are falling apart and I have "new ones"? Will get water if driven in rain so door cards are cardboard so replace and floor should be preventive recoated? My window height have never fit and I've adjusted stop in the door 10x (normal)? I pulled windshield as could see touch of rust and it was so caught it as just surface rust and fix is not visible(everyone should do this? I see the foot pad under the brake was replaced? (mine is plywood delaminating).? What do with cracked dash? (Recover or find a junker?) Where did you get the engine pad? (They collapse). Petrol Blue color match resprayed 7 yrs (everything pulled off). Paint jobs bubble if bad so one that's not recent is a good test (I have one little bubble 7 years). 100% AC will leak. So "recent recharge" tells you it leaks. Compressor should be upgraded anyway along with all junctions resealed if you want AC. When perfect AC works in northeast summer. Yours is lowered like mine (no mods, just one spline and fine adjust torsion bars - ride and handling better). (has Bilstein option over those Konis) Heater Boxes rust and replace regularly. You can have my "cookie cutters" u said you like (BBS 3 piece bronze not gold).My top I didn't replace with original as I thought pebbled rubber is ugly. Also deleted useless and ugly fog lights. Someone can replace them if desired but they provide no light to drive. You totally get use to the transmission and the second gear synchro goes frequently.
Awesome video, not just for buying a 911 but just buying a 2nd hand in general.
Both videos on the SC are great. I would add one comment on corrosion: there are plenty of instances of cars with corrosion problems and often in the same places that aren't very visible until it starts to rust through. The galvanization process certainly helps prevent catastrophic corrosion unless the undercoating is eroded away, but there are spots worth looking at because they tend to collect debris from the road over time and trap moisture.
By far the worst is the drive side front fender. There is a sortof shelf where the bumper mounts on this side that can collect road debris, but it's worse on the driver side because the fuel evaporative canister doesn't cover the space the way it does on the passenger side. This allows debris from the road to kick up and collect on that shelf, eventually rusting from the outside in towards the frunk. You'll start to see corrosion coming through above the battery. When I removed my fender, a small sand castle of 43 y/o debris fell out. This can turn into a major issue because mounting and re-aligning the bumper mount for welding is tedious and difficult. I'm convinced most of these cars have at least started rusting here, I dare to say it's a design flaw.
The lock pillars also tend to collect crap from the rear wheels tossing debris up into them that collects over time. They rust up through the rocker panel and this is not easily visible until it starts to come through. Given Targas tend to leak, you may also find corrosion along the rear of the door sill or at the base under the cover that's not visible until it's too late, it can also leak into the rocker panel via the holes and rust inside, requiring that section to be cut out.
Corrosion along window seals for the windshield and rear glass also isn't uncommon, I've seen several with this issue.
Finally, there is a cross bar in the front pan that has holes in it that are normally plugged. This is just behind the front condenser cover. If those plugs fall out, it's easy for debris to get trapped up there and it to rust from the inside out and this is a majorly intensive repair. I've also heard of issues around strut mounts.
It may also be worth mentioning that the front condenser fans tend to seize and be a fire hazard. Mine was seized totally when I removed it, but thankfully disconnected.
I wish there was a PDF we could download that had all the things to look for. I guess I’ll try and take notes as I watch again. Going to check out an SC this weekend and this is such valuable information! Thanks PCA and Nathan! Long time PCA member for 15+ years!
Great video ! It confirms a lot about my 81 SC that I have owned 35 years. I got lucky that the original owner took good care of it ! This really shows what to look for on an SC !
Great to hear!
35:53 I would add that if you're going to be under someone else's car even without jacking it up, wheel chocks are a good idea. You don't yet know whether the parking brake is reliable and whether the ground the car is on is perfectly level, especially if you're angling it off a curb like this.
Invaluable videos PCA, please continue to bring more of these videos working through the various early model Porsche cars. I have to say it would be interesting to have a video from Nathan giving us a perspective on his collection. Given his knowledge of Porsche, it would be informative to understand his approach to collecting, especially that old Ford pickup sitting in the background😊
More videos with Nathan to come!
@bluesky9093 thanks for the kind words! While you will generally see a car or two of mine in many of my videos, you won't ever see me create a video featuring all of them as I detest the word/connotation of "collection" as it implies just acquiring for the purpose of acquiring, for some sort of financial gain/instrument or to impress others. I don't want to impress anyone, I buy what lights my heart on fire regardless of what others might think, therefore some of my cars might be interesting and others you might think, what the ..... ! I encourage everyone to buy what excites them! For example that 1966 Ford F100 in the background? I LOVE LOVE LOVE that truck, I get giddy just walking past it, hence why it lives in my garage. That's the spirit I want to encourage!
Thanks to Nathan & Damien for these great videos on the SC. I drove a Targa for most of the 90s & loved it. I still recall a yellow SC with some Elephant Racing suspension upgrades that was on Craigslist for $12,500 in Olympia. A lot of life was happening, seven cars including an F 250 Camper Special not as nice as your lowered green & white beauty. Have fun.
So many questions answered. Can’t thank you guys enough. Especially about the CIS.
What a great 911 SC nerd out. I say that with gratitude.
I would love to learn more about the challenges and solutions with A/C in aircooled 911's. This is one weakness that stops me from looking at these seriously. It's a deal breaker in Georgia.
Check out Classic Retrofit, they make an electric replacement system that is supposed to be very effective. It's costly but if you plan to DD one then it might make it more viable.
I would add one comment if you've never driven one: these cars ventilate very well. I know that's an odd comment, but when you open a window in the car, you can feel the air circulating through the car in ways I haven't experienced with modern cars. I drove mine without AC in warmer temps and it's more comfortable than you'd expect, but it definitely gets bad when the car isn't going 40mph+. Modern cars you get that breeze on your face, sure, but with my SC opening the windows you can almost feel the air circulating right away and it cools the car down a fair bit. Sucks in rain and slow driving traffic though.
Thank you Nathan for taking us through a very informative
video. Would love to see a feature on the 65-73 911s!
Incredible content! Thanks so much. Took copious notes. Bidding on a 1980 SC Targa this week!
We're glad you found it helpful! Good luck with the bidding!
@@PorscheClubofAmerica It's now in my garage!
Loved my 79 SC, modded it to the best of the car, it was a go carts. Sold it like an idiot for $17k before the “wave” 😢 Agree with you, it took my 4 years to find what I wanted…
“This guy, he would be hard to spend any time with….”😂. If you are trying to sell him a car, maybe 🤣. Great content. Used a lot of it from prior videos in my 930 purchase.
Appreciate that
Is there a link to the CIS book or is there a title on the book?
Absolute EXCELLENT description!!
Longhood deep dive & Pre-PPI next please 🙏🏻
QUESTION: I have a 1971 911T. I usually let the car idle for a few minutes before driving. Is that not good practice? Nathan noted that air cooled cars should be driven lightly right away after starting.
They say you’re not supposed to warm them up but I let mine (‘81 911SC with a Bitz EFI replacing the K Jet) warm up for about a minute
This was an excellent video! I love my SC such a solid car. I would love to see a series of videos like this covering 944’s. Maybe an early NA late NA and S. Know they are not as loved but I find my early NA equally fun to drive and they just don’t get the coverage the 911 gets.
Noted.
@marcsmith2033 I would LOVE to do a 944 video and it is on my to do list! I have owned many over the years and you might even spot my 1986 944 Turbo in the background! When you say they aren't as loved, maybe not as widely, but for those of us in the know, we LOVE them!!
Looking at 85 for sale. Says the fuel system needs to be looked at as its been sitting for awhile. Would fuel pumps be an issue or rust in the tank for those years?
Awesome video as always! Nathan one question for you is: what is that "tag" that has 2 rivets on it on the driver side A pillar? Seems all of the air cooled cars have it and always wondered what they were for.
@Mar3nBu that is the paint color tag, which was eliminated after 1980. You can learn more about it on the complete SC video: ruclips.net/video/EPo5Pv5og9g/видео.html starting at ~1:03
Actually I was asking about the “tag” on the A pillar that is middle high next to the windshield. It doesn’t say anything but always wondered what it was.
Hi Nathan , very knowledgable video
Even if a lot of things common to 3.2 is there any pre PPI for the 3.2 1987 ? Thanks
Boom, Carrera 3.2 inspection from awhile back: ruclips.net/video/isCMSo-PHYk/видео.htmlsi=vnUkpYPGH7ar9llq
Thanks PCA 😊
Great video thank you. Would have details on the little blue book for trouble shooting CIS please? Thanks Andy
Also, fyi the full review video on the SC is now saying it has been removed when you click on the link?
Thank you. Fixed🫡
Thank you
How the guy who starred in Office Space is now a Porschephile PCA content creator is pretty wild…..
Congrats on these videos about the SC. What a great car it is ! Lots of tips here, even for people who know their Porsches. I noticed the seconds hand on the clock is not moving. That’s not normal, is it?
@francoislopin6372 the orange hand on the clock is NOT a second hand, it's a manual timer. For example if you wanted to demarcate a certain time you can set it to that spot on the clock. So they never move.
@@nathanmerz another great learning, I didn't know ! Thanks Nathan !
? This example is "too nice" & all 1980's had 85mph speedo & this does not. I have 1980 Targa "driver" no accidents for 30 yrs. You said not to replace Targa seals but they are falling apart and I have "new ones"? Will get water if driven in rain so door cards are cardboard so replace and floor should be preventive recoated? My window height have never fit and I've adjusted stop in the door 10x (normal)? I pulled windshield as could see touch of rust and it was so caught it as just surface rust and fix is not visible(everyone should do this? I see the foot pad under the brake was replaced? (mine is plywood delaminating).? What do with cracked dash? (Recover or find a junker?) Where did you get the engine pad? (They collapse). Petrol Blue color match resprayed 7 yrs (everything pulled off). Paint jobs bubble if bad so one that's not recent is a good test (I have one little bubble 7 years). 100% AC will leak. So "recent recharge" tells you it leaks. Compressor should be upgraded anyway along with all junctions resealed if you want AC. When perfect AC works in northeast summer. Yours is lowered like mine (no mods, just one spline and fine adjust torsion bars - ride and handling better). (has Bilstein option over those Konis) Heater Boxes rust and replace regularly. You can have my "cookie cutters" u said you like (BBS 3 piece bronze not gold).My top I didn't replace with original as I thought pebbled rubber is ugly. Also deleted useless and ugly fog lights. Someone can replace them if desired but they provide no light to drive. You totally get use to the transmission and the second gear synchro goes frequently.