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BlazingRant: What Makes A Fire Emblem Unit GOOD or BAD?
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The Fire Emblem series is made of hundred of different characters, some of which are better than others but they all serve their purpose of fighting the good fight. With that said there's a lot to consider when deploying any units, and when you take into account all the different elements that make up each game, it begs the question of what makes particular units good, and other bad?
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I've been playing FE games since the first one to come out internationally (7, Blazing Blade, just Fire Emblem back then) and I've played almost all of the ones to come out since then. At first everything is new and it doesn't matter as much how objectively good or bad a unit is. Then you become an elite and stats are everything. After that though, you realize what's really important:
*Use and do whatever the fuck you want to and have fun.*
I'll never understand why some people get so hostile or rude when someone likes a unit they don't. It seems like a silly thing to get angry over. That being said, I always use Lilina and Amelia on hard mode. I love using them.
Problem is calling a subpar unit good and ignoring what others have to say, no one likes dumb people that can't have a proper discussion, unless said person is a kid (can't really expect a child discussing with arguments).
What, now you assume the age of people on the internet? Next you're going to be assuming their gender too. /s And yes, there are 6yo kids online, otherwise there wouldn't be youtube channels for this specific public. If they type or not that's another question.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying certain units, I personally quite enjoy using Ross and Garcia even though they aren't necessary for beating Sacred Stones, it's just that some people seem to ignore perfectly valid arguments as to why someone might not use them.
Pent/Erk vs. Nino, for example, involves availability and bases (Erk being similar to Nino, but earlier, and Pent being better than Nino at base, but earlier). Using Nino is fine, but her growths don't make up for the fact she only has a few chapters to catch up and that you already have good Mages/Sages. Even when fully grown, she usually kills the same enemies as Pent and has less bulk.
The same problems applies to the games themselves. i don't give a shit if it has bad map design - Echoes will always remain my favorite game.
"A diverse team is a healthy team."
*Proceeds to beat FE 12 with all of the wyvern knights, and a cleric or two
Pitfalls in a nutshell
Because Dracoknights.
Alexander Osborne
*Also proceeds to beat FE6 and 7 with 3-4 Paladins
The Rape Face * beats Sacred stones with 1 Paladin.
Real men beat Sacred stones with Ross only
Now i know why you have good content. Instead of arguing with people who disagree with ur opinions you instead learn from those ideas and make objective observations about them. You are a nice sport my lad
He admitted dancers are good LET THE MEMES COMMENCE!
Not good, useful.
@@zimonzieclown1633 It's a strategy game. Useful equals good.
I Mean Yeah, They Kinda R, Just Because U Can't Fight Doesn't Mean Ur Useless, Otherwise What Would Be The Point Of Using Clerics & Tournabours?
Bardock SkyWalker
tbh it's kinda useless azura and olivia can fight. it's not they're gonna see combat and if they did they're most likely dead.
@@sonicthehedge Right? Dancers Weren't Made To Be Critgers
I remember after Echoes came out someone on reddit put up a tier list of all of the characters. There, at the very bottom of the list, in a special tier dedicated entirely to him, was Forsyth. Meanwhile, my Forsyth turned out to be my best baron, outclassing Lucas at almost every turn.
He really was a Forsyth to be reckoned with.
Forsyth has better stats than Lukas all around. The only reason Lukas is considered better is because Lukas will probably already be a Knight by the time you get Forsyth. But if you 100% the game and do all of the Sidequests, you have no reason to not train up Forsyth and Python.
Dread fighter Lukas is broken, but he's not a great baron in my experience.
A unit cannot be taken out of the context of the game it is in.
Units like Marcus, Pent and Harken are good because they have the stats needed to remain strong for most of or all of the game. Almost no FE7 enemies have capped stats, so saying they are bad because they fail to cap their stats makes no sense because theu do not need to do so.
Now, if you plop those same units into another FE game where capped stats are more common, and they would be much less viable. Context is king!
Edited for minor spelling errors
Bad Cactus if we're on HHM then Harken due to his bases alone would probaly still preform pretty well in the other games.
I once used Ross. And he decided to level up defence every level. Berserker that tanks swordmasters with his bare chest. Amazing.
I totally agree with that rant at the end. A lot of times, I've used units or gone down promotion routes that I've later learned are objectively bad, but I had fun all the same.
There are two big things I can think of that you missed, though they're related. Class sets for relcasses (in games like Awakening, Fates, and Marth remakes, and yes, I know you don't use the mechanic much, but a small thing like that can change a character's value immensely, such as Laslow's ninja access in Conquest or Berserker Vaike), and promotion paths. Like how Peri's value as Great Knight exceeds her value as a Paladin, partially due to the competition, but its stats are also more benficial to her
Superb video!! however you did praddle on and on and put a bit too much emphasis on something as subjective as "base stats" and "growth rates" when you should be judging their mustache... hence why Mycen is the best character Echos despite your argument that ""joining late in the game is a death knell"
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Harvester of Eyes haha, I have NEVER played that game, so your point is invalid
Cervantes > All
I thought you were serious until I read mustache
WOW, I feel like I am listening to a completely new Black Knight. The things you said in this video give me the idea that you have played a lot more Fire Emblem recently and resesrched for the video. This is a great video that got little wrong unlike your previous videos. Hope to see more like this from this channel.
Movement is the best stat
you can say IS has a personal terrain fuck up the player map designer I would appreciate in heroes if flyers picked up grounded units over bad terrain
But I thought magic was everything
Really i think luck is better
13:46 *Yes* 13:53 new favorite youtuber
I feel like your mindset towards Fire Emblem as a whole has changed, for the better I might add.
Given your speach towards the end of the video, I think you would absolutely love New Mystery. FE12 has a HUGE roster full of units, many with different strengths and weaknesses. This combined with the return of FE9 support system makes multiple playthroughs with different units very entertaining. Sure, you can cheese the game with rediculous unit like Palla, but the game gives you so many options, its honestly funn just to mess around and do things like making Wrys into a powerful swordmaster for shits and giggles.
@Fozzy W I am making a buff wrys in feh. Feels good man
I use Felicia. Why? I like her. End of story.
I don't give two shits about stats or how she's outclassed by Jakob.
I like her character, supports and design.
Blazingknight, your points really hit home at the end there.
Jakob is bulkier and has a way better early game, but that's about it. Felicia is a better healer and with her speed and magic she will do more damage than him once she gets the Flame Shuriken. I'd say Felicia has better endgame potential than Jakob
Yeah of course that is the most important part, but the characters that you like who ALSO happen to be great characters in their games, those are some truly special characters who stand the test of time.
Haar for example really wasn't THAT godly, but because he is a fun and lovable character, with a great design, who also happens to be a bad ass, everyone remembers him as op.
Hell, Felicia was one of my most valuable units in Birthright, as I slapped a Fire Shuriken on her and watched her murder everthing in sight with her husband Kaden.
"I use ???. Why? I like him/her."
slowly started to feel like i was the only person playing FE games like that...
She doesn't even need the Flame Shuriken. Reclass her into a Strategist, now she can use magic attacks from the get-go and whitout sacrificing staff use.
Wow, you actually did a good job explaining this. Hopefully this will help some more casual fans understand why people critisize a lot of specific units so much.
"No unit can fight everyone by themselves with one type of weapon" Imma let you finish, but Sigurd is one of the greatest units of all time.
Ryoma defies that rule.
Of all TIME.
And he gets a renewable Silver Sword on the first flipping chapter.
He was showcasing Hector during that segment and i was sitting here like "erm idk i mean ive cleared entire chapters with just Hector"
Mavoren Borsteel When he said "Some people have a run where Hector isn't good," I actually laughed out loud. A run where Hector isn't good? If you believe that I've got some prime real estate to sell you.
I don't overlook Peri cause of other units
I just refuse to use a character I don't like
so insta benched
I do exactly the same thing with Camilla.
And that's why I love Fire emblem. Unless you're playing Shadow Dragon Hard 5, you're pretty much free to use whoever you want and with enough effort are bound to make it through.
It's not like you lose anything. Peri isn't that great, unless you desperately need a mage killer.
Good taste. Peri sits in the bad bin
Nephenee ? The best unit in RD ?
YOU SIR......
...Have a good taste !
This is one of my new favourite videos from you, Blazing Knight. Alongside showing a good objective eye and showing that you can overcome some personal bias, you explained well how personal bias and using 'bad' units shouldn't be discouraged when playing the game.
I got to say the quality of your videos has gotten really great, the video really did go into depth
blazingknight when are we gonna be able to summon you in FIRE EMBLEM HEROES
Also, I'm entirely certain that people have pointed this out, but Olivia and Azura and not the only dancers that can attack. Feena, Sylvia, Laylea, Lene, and Lara all use swords, and they are from FE3, 4, 5, and 12.
Inspirational! I like taking the personal experience route myself but that's because I would like to know the characters I get to play. As one who started with FE7 when it first arrived on NA shores, it was fun using different units on different playthroughs. But I do admit and believe that the things you listed are essential when trying to make or decide the BEST units in the game.
I'm no expert or anything.
All I know is that Ryoma is good no matter what.
Let's face it, part of the reason BR is not considered as good as CQ by many - besides story and general difficulty - is how broken ol' Ryo is; playing through the second half WITHOUT him is probably the best way to actually have a challenge, and even REV practically falls before his mightiness.
It's all Ougi for you.
Borjan Kosarac The game is easy even without fucking Ryoma. Corrin exists.
True, that... yet "Awakening" is more broken still (if only because you can reset your levels infinite times), though the pre-promotes aren't as ridiculous.
My reason for why BR is bad isn't because of difficulty, it's the absolutely miserable RNG. I'm sorry but at the very least BR's hit RNG is worse than Binding Blade's. I had to reset nearly every chapter cause I lost a key unit when they should have survived (20-30% hit rates) and failed to hit anything when I attacked (80-90% hit to me feels a lot more like 40-50%) this must have happened to me at least 25 times
4:52 You’ve come a long way from thinking dancers are bad.
Jonah J Still likes Peri tho
Lyn Is Hot Yeah. That part hurt a bit, but we’re all entitled to our opinions. Even if they’re shit.
One time I used Hana in Birthright...
then I got Ryoma
I like hana. I used her with the sunshine/Haruke blades so she had over 100 Avo.
if you pair them up together no enemy unit can even touch them
+mikufan1212 one time i tried fighting my own endgame revelation team. trounced pretty much everything, but lost to the ryoma/xander pair i stationed on the throne. after losing my own ryoma/xander pair, the match was basically over
very mad guy I meant Hana and Ryoma
never tried that combo. maybe i should
you talking about wendy reminded me alot of how much i use hana.
my current mental argument of why shes good is: "sure she's worse then ryoma but EVERYBODY's worse then ryoma"
LALM thelegendary Hana was easily my worst unit in all of Fates
I like Hana as well but I've never made her a sword master , I always make her master of arms
@@Starwars-Fanboy objectively the best way to make her effective is to promote her to swordmaster to get Astra and then reclass her into master of arms
I'd like to point out that every dancer in FE4/5 can attack back as well. Amazing video btw, great way to start off my weekend :)
idk man my sigurd always seems to die in this one part about halfway through the game. This mage with meteor just fucks him and theres nothing i can do
I like hana from birthright because in conquest she dodged all my attacks
I remember watching a RD stream a while back and somehow Miciah, with almost no bxp, was 1 luck off of capping every single stat in her second tier promote.
Bonus EXP is not the same as grinding. There is a finite amount of bonus exp you can get in the Tellius games, and they are earned in creative ways, whereas grinding in the latter games and Sacred Stones is just that. You can grind for infinite exp, rendering the challenge.
BlazingKnight, thank you so much for uploading this video. Because in a special fanfic story that me and my friend wanted to make, we thought about also righting about how they would be translated into the game, going with the branching promotions, stats, growths, skills, etc. And one of my worries was that I had was whether we would be making a unit too good or too bad, and that in the game, they would be benched or used a lot.
Thanks to this video, I can say that I can actually discuss methods of making any unit work out so that everyone has a chance to be good or bad, so that personal experience with the RNG can be a case. I won't say that every unit will be the same, which will be what you mentioned, but they each have their uses that should be considered, so no one is said to be useless.
So thank you again, and I look forward to more of your amazing videos.
I think another thing to take into account that kinda goes into how it depends on the game is how applicable a job is when they join. For example, if a defence based unit is available only at a point in the game that most if not all the enemies are magic based, that trait would become worthless.
The end was so dang inspiring
I had Nino solo the dragon in Blazing sword and she won with some help from healers. This was on my first playthrough. She's been my favorite character in the series since that play through.
Wow, such a powerful video BlazingKnight! Your summary in the ending was very well done. I really love the Fire Emblem franchise next to Zelda and Xenoblade. All the different characters with their own traits and personally made me so attached to the series. My favorite characters of all time are Lyn, Robin, and Cherche based on their design, personality, and combat animations. If I find a unit to be weak in my party, I try my best to make them good by grinding or finding a good pair of skills for them. Thank you for making this video.
I'm only 55 seconds into this video and i'm already in love with you! Can't wait to immerse myself in your Fire Emblem content!
In addition
BLAZINGKNIGHT ~ "Thunder Magic SUCKS!!!"
ME ~ *AUTISTIC SCREECHING*
Awesome video my friend; you are a friend to logic. Sometimes people are so narrowminded about a particular aspect of a game, they don't even realize they're being narrowminded.
We can almost all say that Morgan will forever be one of the most OP units in any FE game right?
You can say that, but the most op unit I’ve used was Sety in fe4. I got Levin to just the right level so Sety would come with capped speed at base, so all the enemies were too scared to attack him
Pent Reglay
I've been going into a couple of older games. I should look into FE 4 see how good he is.
Morgan was my pick because of how easy the game is making the game a breeze with properly a built unit. I just Married super crit Severa. Gave Morgan mire and Galeforce.
Hunting1208 Let me put it this way.
With Lewyn as his Dad, Sety's speed base becomes so high it breaks the game's stat caps and rolls back around into the sage's class base. And he's still completely an offensive monster.
Nacho Hangover
Yesh. He's so powerful the game can't contain him. I can see why he can be considered for this position then.
Hunting1208 Sety's amazing statistically...... but 4 is about mounts more than anything else, so he ends up good, but not as good as the mounted units.
I'm proud to see how far you have come. Keep it up!
Thank you very much I appreciate it! =)
Gunter actually became one of my best units in Conquest, because he somehow managed to cap his Strength and Defense, making him my go to Rescue Tank. He also got a Luna proc on Takumi on Lunatic, which was necessary to kill him. Favorite -dad- Jagen performance wise.
Diversity?
You underestimate the power of paladins. Paladins are all you need, all other classes mean nothing.
Ostia disagrees (no wonder Hector dies, they couldn't reach him in time).
You could probably beat fe6 just using Paladins
Knuck Chilada i‘m pretty sure Percival has good enough stats to basically solo the rest of the game
Benington yeah true and you can get through the early chapters just using Marcus and Jerrot with some help from the cavs
Lack of Knight Crests might make it difficult but it's possible
Great video. Pretty much completely agree. Here's my opinion
A base of quality is
Bases
Growths
Class(Movement, Weapons etc.)
Availability
Competition
Rquirements(i.e Resources)
The game theyare in.
Other(stuff like ranking or con.)
Utility
Now, let's lookat two characters, one I consider good, and one bad, to compare them to this standard.
First, the good. Seth.
Seth's bases are fantastic. He can easily carry himself very easily for a long time.
Seth's growths ensure he doesn't fall behind pretty much at all. By the time he gets really outclassed by Franz, the game's over.
Seth is a paladin,easily one of the best classes in the GBA games. His control of the weapon triangle means he's useful in most situations, and his move makes him perfect for various utility uses.
Seth has perfect availability. If you ever need hi, he is available.
Seth faces nearly no competition. The only people who can hope to match his movment early game is Franz and Vanessa, who won't outclass him until later.
Seth requires literally no resources to be good. Any extra just means he'll pretty much never be outclassed
SS being one of the easiest games in the series is a great advantage for Seth, because he'll rarely struggle with enemies.
Seth doesn't have any con issues.
As mentioned before Seth has utility thanks to his horse, such as canto, getting to places fast, or ferrying. He can also tank.
Now, the bad, Nino.
Nino's bases are subpar. She struggles this late in the game.
Nino's growths are about her only saving grace. However, these are not extraordinary, as she won't have ridicoulous stats by the end of the game, only about what the others have.
Nino is a mage, which isn't bad, but not that good at this point. She's a staff bot, but struggles to get a respectable staff rank.
Nino's availibility is one of her biggest problems. She comes at a time when the group is fully established, and most players can't find space for her.
Nino is in competition with Pent and Erk, and she is outclassed by both. Pent comes with ridicoulous bases and an A rank of staves, the former of which she will only ever get near the end of the game(and her stats aren't much better) and she will struggle to ever get A Rank staves. Erk, however, has availability, being your only anima mage until Priscilla promotes or you get Pent, this gives him time to grow and develop his staff rank.
Nino requires babying, as seen in the fact that most claim she is good because you can baby her in Chapter 25x IIRC and she is often praised as a canditate for the Afa's Drops, and item you get earlier which is great for characters with shaky growth.
Nino's use of 1-2 weapons is good in a game dominated by them.
Nino's only real big purpose is use for EXP rank in a Ranked run. Also, her con makes her unable to even wield a fire tome without being slowed down, and without an energy ring, she only gains access to penalty less thunder after promotion, while Pent has no trouble using Elfires.
Nino really has no utility.
If I had to rank the parameters
1.Bases
2.Growths
3.Class
4.Availability
5.Competition
6.Utility
7.Game
8.Other
Also, on the personal experience thing. Personal experience means nothing. Why?
"This unit was good in my playthrough"
"Sure, but they were bad on mine."
Which of these statements is more correct/should be used as evidence?
The answer is neither,.
Nice bid. Wish you had people like mangs since he does spotlights pretty often.
By the way how's Astrid on PoR radiant dawn hard modes. Be honest.
"no one unit can fight everyone by themselves with just one type of weapon" 14:56 Ryoma would like to speak with you.
blAcK MaN D0 did I mention my bravesword robin?
And Shinon, who even BK says is the best best Sniper out there...
(Or Seth. Or FE7 Marcus or Titania or Robin or Sigurd or Seliph or most Thracia mages)
ryoma can't tank the late game generals without the help of skill and crit RGN
We're talking specifically about units which can only use one kind of weapon.
Genealogy is only praised like it is the holy grail on Serenes Forest. Elsewhere it is a bit different. Reddit defends the Telius games like they are flawless and Amino REALLY likes Sacred Stones for some bizarre reason.
Because Sacred Stones is god.
The Rape Face Not really. Its easy all hell. Easier than fucking birthright in fact. The story is ok but the only reason why it gets so much praise is because of the cast, not the story itself.
CatManThree goes meow this^
+CatManThree goes meow
lol i just get a ss boner a lot.
The Rape Face K
Some people might get mad but Normally I don't use Armored knights Or armored units cause In my case I like speed over Defense,armored knights are slow and can't double normally even with the availabilty of all the weapons on promotion I never really like them that's why I think swordmasters and assassins are the best units(especially in the GBA era) cause they are the best dodge tanks and kills every enemy even if they are not equipped with a slaying edge and especially with a slaying edge but on second lunatic playthroughs Armored knights become a mainstay though only the ones I get early on cause the enemies are so strong that only armored knights could tank physical hits, but until mid to late game they are just average cause every unit in my roster can hold their own now.
Kellam at least has the option of reclassing, so he's not as bad as most other armor knights, though other units definitely make better use of a second seal.
There are only so many units to use in an FE game so if you don't want to use knights or generals that's fine.
Knights are tanks and can be pretty bad, but it pays off having a general later on.
In fe 7 hhm I remember in chapter 24 that a silver sword hero did three damage to oswin . While the hero was double the damage oswin received was pretty low. All the remaining units near the hero were basically comitting suicide targeting him.
I must say, this is probably my new favorite video of yours. It's very well made and I agree with basically all your points. I have a tendency to play based on characters personality the first time through, but then do a more objective run the second time through. I guess the best example is that I will often use all knights/generals the games throw at me because I just love their look and the first time I played FE7 I basically used Oswinn as a moving wall to bait every enemy which made me think Generals are awesome.
At the same time in Fates I benched Charlotte, Peri, and brought her along but rarely used Beruka other than as the personal shuttle for whoever I married her to because I couldn't stand their personalities. I even was looking for a reason to bench Camilla but didnt because she was just tol useful and would show up in cutscenes anyway xp
Looking back I know it's completely irrational, but I feel like it would kill the experience of the games if before even starting you plan out your entire team based on some shit you read online about the "best team" composition. A lot of time is spent giving the characters great personalities which other franchises struggle or just can't do. You only hurt yourself by not letting yourself experience the games blind. You can worry about growth rates and efficiency the second time through.
That's just my two cents anyway. I've already gone way overboard on this and I worked to make this concise as possible. If you disagree with me feel free to tell me why or if you also refused to use good/decent units because of absolute shit personalities so I don't feel alone in that I basically bench every thot I got in Fates.
Honestly, this is probably your best video yet. Your editing has gotten miles better, you points are better structured and presented, and your humour and comedic timing is excellent.
*Also Forde is a good unit in SS don't @ me*
this is why i never call a unit "good" or "bad". i just judge them by how much i (dis)like them through either personal experiences or personality. are you the pragmatic kind of player? use the jagen for as long as they are useful. do you like taking units that are underperforming and help them catch up? train the est
(27:55-28:08) Heroes.
Great video, lot of great points and I’m glad you finally came around to seeing how useful dancers are. Also Guy from fe7 is actually pronounced as Gi (yea I thought it was kinda stupid too) just fyi
Hell yeah. Vids like this are part of the big reason why I love video games and I love the experiences they give to people. I turned on this video as something to put on for noise while I'm working, and the little speech at the end got me choked up a little. The passion that goes into, and comes out of games is real, and this kind of discussion and analysis is proof of that.
Personally, growths and bases do mean something to me, but on the whole, what mostly decides whether or not I'll use a unit is whether or not I like them and how much I like them compared to other units. Take Lowen and Rebecca for example, I love both of them and I always use both, despite the fact that both have a reputation for being "bad" units (Rebecca more than Lowen, but I personally don't see it for either of them), yeah, I won't lie, their growths sometimes prove problematic (I mean, Lowen does have 30% in all his offensive growths after all, and Rebecca does have a pretty small 40% strength growth), but I love them both as characters and they're perfectly usable in combat, so by damn I'm gonna use them. I don't even care that there may be better alternatives, Pent is pretty fucking broken, but I still use Erk and Nino both over him, Severa can be a very broken Mercenary/Hero but I despise her and I love Gregor so I use him instead (in fact, I often kill off Severa on purpose), Klein may be serviceable to the end of the game with his stats but I prefer using Dorothy, I like Benny more than Effie, I don't use Ryoma, Takumi, Hinoka, or Camilla because I don't like them as characters, if Azura wasn't a damn good dancer I wouldn't use her either because I don't like her character either, if Cornflakes wasn't force deployed I would immediately bench them because I hate their character, I adore Lyn and Eirika and always use both, the list goes on and on. My personal experience no doubt somewhat blinds me to the flaws of these units (I say somewhat because I'm still completely aware that some of these guys are completely inferior to other units and are even considered bad on their own), but I find using units you like makes the game even more fun than it already is anyways, so...yeah
Anyways, this is a pretty nice analysis on the subject of what makes a unit good or bad, good job dude
On a side note, Bors is considered a bad unit? I knew Wolt was, he's hot garbage in character form, but I've always used Bors and he's always turned out amazing, heck, my current Bors has 11 speed at like level 15 unpromoted and has good stats everywhere else too besides resistance, I can pit him against axe units safely without an Axereaver equipped on him. Course this is just personal experience coming into play again, but still, I wasn't actually aware he was considered a bad unit
Vivi 恥ずかしがりや自信がなくなった Ortinier it doesnt matter if Bors has 11 or 0 speed. He will not double regardless and since its Binding Blade and he is an Armor Knight he is hot Garbage regardless of his stats.
Ravensburger Bürger I was more concerned with him not getting doubled than him actually doing the doubling. Anyways, regardless of what kind of unit Bors is considered, I've always had a good experience with him and I like using him, so I'm gonna keep using him
This is a very well made and thought out video, but theres a minor nitpick I have that I think could be turned into a good discussion. You say having a varied team is the best, but I dont see why that is the case. Paladins, Pegasi, and Wyverns are all generally better than the unmounted units due to high movement, rescue strats, and weapon triangle control which makes them good in pretty much every situation. Unless the unmounted unit is significantly better than the mounted one statwise, I dont see any reason to take them over the mounted unit. Dont get me wrong I dont do all mounted teams every time I play since I do think a varied team is the most fun, but I dont think its the "most optimal" way.
Thank you very much but I didn't say having varied team is the best course of action, I said "I am of the mind set that believes in having a varied team when playing fire emblem", so I basically said that personally I prefer to have a varied team of units, not that doing so is the objectively best thing to do.
Some units I've seen are quite good.
...Then there are some I never understood.
Which ones are good?
Which ones are bad?
Hey everybody, Which Ninja!
Fuck, wrong channel.
Good video but...one question...
5:41
Who the fuck are Myyrh and Thethys? I dont remember them from Sacred Stones...
Myrrh (spelled incorrectly in vid) is the dragon girl. You know, the manakete.
Tethys is the dancer. She comes along with Gerik on either route.
"only azura and olivia can fight",
Pheena
Dont forget about Leen,Sylvia,Laylea can also fight
Technically Tethys to.
I wouldn't count Olivia's damage output as fighting
i don't know, an unintentional glitch shouldn't really count.
Nakamoro they can wield weapons, but to say they can "fight" is too generous.
For a very long time I was under the impression that "starting on a low level no matter what = a great unit no matter what and prepromotes = bad no matter what".
And so I benched Shinon in favour or Rolf. And later I found out that Shinon was actually really good (the only exception here was Pent where I was usually like "weird, he is good in my game, shouldn't he suck?")
Hold on, we talking Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn?
Both actually (I think that not using Shinon is one of the main reasons I never actually beat RD). And yes I am currently under the strong impression that Shinon just IS generally better than Rolf (unless there is something I misresearched)
I mean, you should still be able to beat RD without Shinon, he's good, but not a necessity to your team. You dindn't misresearch, Shinon and Rolf end up with the same stats but Shinon has better bases, so there's no reason to use Rolf at all.
Actually, Rolf ends up with slightly better stats than Shinon, plus he joins way earlier. He takes a bit of time to train, but...so does Astrid.
Neutralist Omni
Astrid has paragon and a mount.
Honestly the FE subreddit, has made me reconsider a lot of characters and how I would personally rate a character. While majority of the things they say I agree with, there are certainly details that I think is where the heated (but constructive!) discussions start to happen. I think for the most part people have come to agree who the high tier and low tier characters are, but the issue gets finnicky when we get into the mid tier characters.
BTW: I dunno if Gunther or Silas can match Peri - she's just supposed to not tank physical hits and rather utilize her OP passive, espcially with Galeforce.
Thank you so much for saying what you said at 20:08. I have waited SO LONG for another Fire Emblem to think, "maybe I shouldn't judge units purely by how amazing they can be in my ultra hardcore Iron Man speedruns." I have been playing FE since I was 4. I've played every single game in the series at least twice, and guess what? When I played Fire Emblem 6 on Hard Mode, I used Sophia and Lilina. When I played Fire Emblem 7 on Hard Mode, I used Nino. It was the hardest thing I've ever done but extremely worthwhile and fun. The ONLY pre-promoted units that I have EVER used were Seth (FE8), Athos (FE7), and Galzus (FE5). For the love of god FE fanbase, stop playing this game as if it is some super competitive ultra hardcore RPG.
Fire Emblem was originally made around one thing: the characters. Fire Emblem is still (except for some upsetting Waifu Sims) being made about the characters. The proper way to judge a FE unit is by looking at two things: their effect on the story (AKA their character/supports), and the amount of work a player is willing to put into them. In others words, a unit's value is different for everyone. All of the fun-hating "pros" out there will simply love the pre-promotes with good bases and some decent growth, but the rest of us-the fans of what FE is really about-we will cherish anyone, even if that means they appear on the last chapter of the game at level 1, have an E in their only weapon class, but have amazing growths in every stat and built in supports/significance to back up their role. I would be willing to put in work to have an excellent unit.
P.S. Please don't feel bad for saying Wendy was an underrated unit. I. LOVED. HER.
Geezus, I am so sorry for replying to a reply to my comment. I just... I need to really thank you so much. That was the best video you've ever made. My original comment sums up my philosophy and you were the first voice I've ever heard slightly close to it. Thank you CRASH (:D I was fan from the beginning).
I agree with you entirely, and I probably did cross the line when referring to players that want to focus on purely the gameplay aspect of Fire Emblem. Unfortunately, I must admit that I just cannot relate or even begin to understand why. I too love challenges, but nothing is more beautiful than humanity, especially with how Fire Emblem portrays it across each and every title.
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Everyone has different play styles and to me playing efficient is the most fun and with characters like pent and Perceval , nobody has ever had a bad pent or Perceval so reliable units end up being my favorites . That being said play however you want but I'd recommend trying something different from time to time . Fire Emblem has many unique experiences to offer so try all of them !
Also I completely understand why people like est type units bc if they payoff it's great . I did an FE 6 girls only run and Anna blessed my Sophia , Wendy and Lilina . For Christs sake my Sophia had def so high you would have thought she was an awakening dark Mage ( by the end she had 20 and I only gave her one dracoshield ) and I also got my Lilina to B rank staffs so she made good use of status staves in the last few maps .
...and Z. Pent.
I only played through PoR once but I can say Astrid wad OP and my only unit (if I am not mistaken) who reached level 20 as a promoted unit thanks to Paragon. Also Gatrie made me love the Knight class, never did I like a knight as much as liked him!
Hey blaze if you ever play fe6 again I’d suggest trying Saul. He’s actually a very good unit when he promotes. And his growths really only show when he’s allowed to fight. It should be noted that if you promote him at level 10 on hard mode he still can compete quite well.
I used Saul in my most recent run and he was awesome.
BLAZINGKNIGHT Good! He really is overlooked for clarine when he really shouldn’t be.
I hope y'all don't mind me dropping some Tellius Trash on ya.
First off: You DO know about the translation error in the RD difficulty, yeah?
Next: CAN WE TALK ABOUT RD GATRIE?!? 60% strength, speed, AND defense growths. Pre-promoted, Marvelous bases, THE FACT HE'S IN RADIANT DAWN AND CAN BECOME A MARSHALL. His improved movement of 6. And his array of weapons. Despite his low levels in some weapons (swords), RD has Discipline for both the Dawn Brigade and the Greil Mercenaries which works wonders for grinding weapon levels. I just really wanted a chance to spread this PSA on a pretty overlooked character. I hope this opened someone's eyes.
Oh, I forgot about his character. He is basically Sain but a bit goofier, no? I can't help but smile every time he talks. So yeah, RD Gatrie needs more love. Tellius Trash: out
You mean about how English Easy is meant to be Normal, while English Normal is meant to be Hard, and Hard is actually LUNATIC right? I'd hope he would, it would at least give his views on RD more credence than if he seriously thought "Easy" was meant as such by the developers...
Yeah, that. An interesting bit of evidence can be found in Path of Radiance too. If you boot up a Difficult mode in PoR, the save file shows up blue. If you boot up Normal mode in RD, the save file also shows up blue.
Good observation. I didn't know of that, purely because I've never played POR/RD myself as I lacked the consoles to do so... never cared much for the Wii and Nintendo's love affair with motion controls, honestly.
I know it’s a small touch but I really like the sound effects in this video. Adds more style!
same
This is a really professional way of handling this set of topics. I really felt like I learned a lot from this video. And to me, sometimes that random experience gave me some hilarious moments.
Thanks very much that's very kind of you to say.
I personally always like Myrmidons because of Guy and Lyn and how they almost always seemed to crit everything and I love their crit animation, crit animations is the same reason why I like armor knights and generals too.
27:55
You mean like FE-Heroes?
Well, that game does have IVs
One point you missed is the fact that early FE games (especially the Shozo Kaga games) had permadeath in mind. This impacts your other points because later units, including and especially when there is an abundance of similar class types, are there to replace dead units in order to fill a certain slot or niche in your team. That's why Shadow Dragon and FE12 have this trend where later recruitments were serviceable but not quite as good as earlier units (or just terrible like Vyland). Kind of like the game is punishing you further for being careless with your units (even if it was only some bad RNG like the dreaded 1% crit that doing them in).
Granted, intent doesn't change the fact that even later, non-Gotoh units, can still kick arse.
not exactly punishing when you have chapters that force you to kill your units off.
He finishes videos with such an ardent appreciation for the games it's hard not to feel validated for enjoying these games so much 💯
I like Roy a lot, he may not be the best unit but he's one of the first units of fire emblem I have ever met. Playing him as a little child in smasg melee, now still playing him in fire emblem and smash 4, just because I like him
This is an Amzing channel
One thing that contributes to someone being a good or bad unit is reclass options.
Since some units can be held back by their base class and after class changing become much more potent than before.
For example, in shadow dragon you are able to reclass Jagen into a Dragon knight which allows Jagen to be not hinderd by terrain allowing him to reach places faster than before, and is able to use axes against the abundance of lance units in shadow dragon.
While Paladin Jagen isn’t bad, Dragon knight Jagen is able to contribute a lot more than Paladin jagen.
Another example would be Robin from awakening.
Because Robin is able to reclass into almost any class in the game, players are able to reclass Robin to let him furfill a particulair job or mold him to your vision.
Ryoma is also stupid when he reaches A+ with Silas and becomes a paladin.
While the -4 spd might be offputting, the movement, balanced stat distrebution, growths and class skills make Ryoma from broken to just stupid.
Elbow room gives Ryoma more damage when fighting on non terrain, Luna goes well with Ryoma’s skill and helps him one round enemies, defender is nice to have since you often want Ryoma to be paired up anyway because of his personal and the extra +1 with pair up is very nice.
While reclassing is something that mostly applies to modern fire emblem games, i do feel like that reclassing is a big contribution to a units overall worth.
Tell that to a ranked fe7 run.
fangiscool1 You don’t just lump games together, you have to look at how well they perform in their game(s) as a unit.
super konijn98 But you can't say a bad unit is good bc they can reclassified Into another class, that are still a bad unit
super konijn98 But you can't say a bad unit is good bc they can reclassified Into another class, that are still a bad unit
if they are good after being reclassed, then they are a good unit
6:31 You forgot that Lara, Leen, Layela, Sylvia and Feena can all fight (technically, Reyson, Rafiel and Leanne can in Radiant Dawn via use of Cards). Lara can't even dance at base (she has to promote into a Dancer), and Feena has a personal weapon in FE 3 (she can use the Rapier...for some reason. Even though she can't in the remake).
Also, at 12:38, while I can understand why you'd want that, I'd just spam the units that are good, or meme with some units. For example, in FE 6, would I just bench Zealot for say...Dorothy if I don't have an archer? I'd prefer just using Zealot, or let's say that I have a trained Tate, but Shanna is a bit underleveled. Do I use Barth because he's a Knight and I don't have one? Probably not, unless I'm making a joke run. I'd train Shanna since she's a good unit. In FE 5, would I use Olwen over say, Fred 'cause I have another mounted unit, but not another Mage Knight? Probably not (Hell, if I'm LTC, she won't even be recruited, 'cause she costs the turn Fred costs, and like 3 more turns). I'd get Ilios later anyways if I skip out on her, who is just a better unit.
17:11 Ayra and Jamke are some of the most annoying units in the game. Their recruitment is hell, and once they're recruited, the former gets a Brave Sword 2 chapters later, and the latter gives the Killer Bow over to Midir. If it weren't for those, I wouldn't even bother with them, since, while their combat is good, that's kinda implying they'll see combat, which, they barely will without use of Warp to warp them to nearer castles.
In regards to your last section I think that the problems with rating units already arise from the terms "good" and "bad", rather it's efficiency. You can make anything work if you want to, but not using a Royal Laguz f.e in favor of a bad unit you've been feeding stat boosters to is way less efficient, and THAT maybe be considered worse than picking the superior option
It's very sad that this fanbase is one of the most toxic gaming Fanbases
Just yesterday i saw a thread that was basically a couple of idiots wanting to fuck Kana from Fates. Your own underage child. What has this fanbase turned into?
Benington There’s a difference between fucked up (Furries - Bestiality), cringy (FNaF/Undertale/Bendy - Underaged kids/Obsessing), and toxic (Fire Emblem/CoD/Sonic/League of Legends/Overwatch/Smash - Violent nature).
[Note: Although I am generalizing, not everyone in the fandoms I mentioned are all bad. I know some very respectable furries, for example.]
Spencer ...so?
Point still stands, people shipping the father/mother with their daughter/son is still fucked up and make the community worse.
i don‘t care if someone makes the community fucked up bad, cringy bad or toxic bad, they still make the community look bad, especially for people who know nothing about FE.
If you buy a Steak or something, and someone in the kitchen told you that some spit on your food, would you say „atleast he didn‘t took a shit in it“?
Well, the point of my comment was correct. I shouldn't have, but this is the internet, what can you do?
The top comment mentioned that FE is a toxic fanbase, and you mentioned a really fucked up thing that someone in the community did, and I tried to correct, noting the difference between them. But yes, I agree that indeed stains the community, but we can't generalize. There are gonna be people like that in any fandom, maybe worse.
Spencer i wasn‘t generalizing, or atleast i tried not to.
The FE community as a whole is actually pretty good, but the bad parts are very bad.
so im one of those guys that likes to make a joke about BK's opinons somtimes, being a bit of an elitist i guess, ive always liked him, but still found some of his claims amusing, ive gotta say though, I'm very impressed with this video, it obviously shows that your starting to learn and understand, and while a few of the things you said in terms of unit viability in this video was a bit iffy (oswin, ayra and jamke being good, especially jamke, who is probably the worst unit in fe 4) you overall made valid points through the entire video, i think this video will substantially help your fanbase with their knowledge and also help cement your reputation in the community, at least i hope that is the case, tbh you made more sense in this video than someone like mangs ever would (not that really means much but still). I hope we continue to see more intellectual content like this from you BK, im also considering pledging to you on patreon, and if this continues, it could definitely end up happening
Corpul is better than Jamke?
Personally, I'd put Jamke above Tailtiu. But I can see the argument for either.
kek, i was only rly thinking about 1st gen tbh
yeah that's a good point, tailtiu is less talked about and i guess gets skipped over since alot of people like her
I feel there needs to be some caveats with these discussions. 1 is it a low turn count (LTC) playthrough? The reason I ask this is because way too often the most important aspects of a good unit under those circumstances (high mobility, can one round enemies from the start ect.) bleed over into other conversations. 2 bases vs growths should be a unit by unit discussion. While I agree that bases slightly outweigh growths, there are multiple perspectives to look at. If the bases last till endgame and it's only chapter 15, then the growths don't matter. If the growths are some of the best in the game and it's the prologue/chapter 1 the bases can be like Wolt or Bors and said unit should be serviceable.
one thing i find is personal experience can help when devising a strategy, sure it wont matter if a unit is objectively bad how much you train them. but (and this is comign from somone who has beaten Awakening, Conquest, Birthright AND Revelation on Lunatic) finding uses for each unit and overcoming difficult chapters with the right strategy can show you on a personal level which units performed best for you before you even think about judging them objectively.
a fantastic example for me would be Hana. most people's reaction to her would be "Lol why the hell would you use another swordmaster in Ryoma Emblem" and they're not wrong, lobster lord is ridiculous but....Hana is objectively better given the investment. Ryoma's main advantage is Raijinto. Hana beats him everywhere else, higher strength, speed and resistance, comprable skill, and slightly lower luck. her HP leaves a bit to be desired but when you consider she can be fighting with a 0% retaliation hit chance while he's sitting around the 20% mark, and if he takes an unlucky pair of magic hits he's a goner.
and yet without personal experience using her in Birthright, people would just go with the masses and assume Ryoma is objectively 100% superior.
Which units in the Fire Emblem games are bad?
Doesn't matter. Blazing Knight will somehow find a way to make them viable.
Tru dat lol
He made Sophia somewhat viable. Never doubting him again.
@@BLAZINGKNIGHT50 Try meg
Real Gharnef I did and she’s a mage tank
“No one unit can take on an entire army”
The speed runners would like to have a word with you.
Mudkip Firefox *cough* Seth *cough*
FE1 Marth, Sigurd, Perceval, Seth, Robin. There are actually quite a few examples.
Mudkip Firefox Every Class only run
In my expirience with Birthright, I found Hana to be a good unit. Mostly thanks to her pair up bonus that gives you +5 speed on top of giving her a practice katana that also boosts speed by 5. I paired her up with a swordmaster Corrin, and it made Corrin on par with Ryoma.
Hana also has high speed and skill and good res. So she's quite a good mage killer.
That ending. I almost cried. I love this series and you help me learn and love it even more. Don't stop. You wonderful wonderful knight in nerdy armour. To Fire Emblem! To loving what you love! To respecting our opinions! To the wonderful world Nintendo has created!
I have always seen General Gilliam as the most badass unit ever
He IS the most badass general ever. And also a really good unit for me.
6:31 Yeah, Sylvia and her fam would like to have a word with you.
Lara too
Dark Bishop J I really think he should play all the games before he makes statements like that
Paiphu *All* the games?
Yeah, no. No one but the truely skilled (or hackers) should play Thracia 776.
It's difficulty is way too overrated.
It isn't hard, just tedious and annoying without a guide
Paiphu Ummm, have you seen any of the bosses in that game? I mean, I know Veld is basically Idunn but worse, but I mean, you got The Deadlords, Gomes the Invincible, Galzus, and *Reinhardt* . I mean, woah.
Personally, I don't really like charlotte because I maxed out beruka's level, maxed her out as a fighter using a second seal,then made her a berserker. Amazing attak, amazing crit rate. Try it sometime. You (hopefully won't be ) disappointed. Also,about camilla, I benched her after chapter 10 in conquest. My main problem with her is that she wouldn't kill, and always die. She would've been amazing if she was there when magic and strength was merged
Yay you actually brought up some great points. It’s like how when I used Amelia she was absolutely amazing, and then a ton of people called her trash. She honestly really is but that won’t make me dislike her. The same went for Sully. She was easily one of my best units in Awakening.
12:45
Let's be honest , who only uses one paladin ?
Me, since the other one is usually Eliwood as a Knight Lord. So I guess that would still be technically 2 Paladins. And that's on Blazing Sword alone. I definetely use 2 in other games for the most part.
26:30
Why isn't she wearing armor on her legs, isn't that antithetical to the idea of an armor knight?
Because Fates.
Hello, welcome to Fire Emblem.
Awesome vid, I agree that Personal Experience does mean something. A lot of the best advice from the community came from other's personal experience. I remember doing FE6 Hard Nods the first time and Banana Man got RNG screwed. I was about to just suck it in and use Energy Rings to counter it in later chapters and someoe adviced me to try Lilina since from their experience Lilina may not double or hit much but her high mag still makes great work of Generals and Fliers and for healing. I must admit, I am glad I did, to this day I still use her in Hard Mode and her support bonus on Roy saved me a lot specially when he is rng screwed.
Question for everyone. Has anyone used Virion in Awakening and was happy to use him in the very end?
Nope
Yes...? It's always frustrating trying to level him up until he can promote, but I've never hated using him.
Nah, Donnel as a bow knight is the only archer I needed.
Afraid not. He makes Wolt look passable, that is pretty much all you need to know about Virion. Honestly, who thinks that 5 SPD is a good idea in a game where SPD goes way beyond 30? Not even his 65% growth can save that. I used him once and he actually turned out decent, but it was more due to sheer luck on level ups.
About Meg
Meg’s problem isn’t that her growths are bad for her class. Her problem is that her bases are straight up bad. Her growths would be fine on a unit like Haar, Ike, or more relevantly, Gatrie and Brom, but the problem is her bases are so bad that she has basically no redeeming qualities as a unit (bad move + bad bulk + bad power + bad potential). If she was a pegasus knight with the same bases, she would still be very bad, just with the possibility of being decent when trained, not because of her stats, but because Pegasus knight is a good class naturally.
Meg's bulk and power aren't "bad", per se--they both stil end up pretty decent by the end. It's just that Gatrie trounces here in both shile still having great Speed like her. Though I'm still not using either because I don't like Generals. >_>
Really? Her bases looked great to me, for a lv 3 Knight that is quite something. She has a poor start, but that's because she starts on a chapter where enemies are faster than normal, but outside of that, if she manages some levels, she becomes decent.
That's just it--the amount of effort it takes to actually GET some levels makes her not worth it, honestly. Besides that, both Brom and Gatrie start out much stronger and end with similar enough stats to Meg. Then again, I probably won't use any of them because I don't like Generals at all. XD
@@d3-ll754 They join a bit late and neither can use the Alondite. Mind you, they are indeed better, but I think the effort to user her is worth it.
My experience with Wendy:
On my first playthrough of BB I thought to myself "Well barthe is bad, Bors's Chin is too big, and I need some tank on my team"
*Wendy comes along*
"Fuck it"
She remains one of my favorite units of all of Fire Emblem to this day
The major factor for me is how early you get the unit. I enjoy spending time building my first units up and learning how they work, but halfway through the game I just don't have the patience to do that all over again with new units.
Tormod from Radiant Dawn was a special case. I loved using him in the beginning, but when he left only to appear late in the game, It was just painful to use him because of how far behind he was in comparison to everyone else. T-T
I don't know about other the games, but if I remember correctly in radiant dawn and path of radiance(i think) levels gained through bonus exp were limited to only 3 stat gains? I haven't played it in a long time. I just remember using it more on people who, to me at the time, had not so great growth or some maxed out stats (nearing end game of course) so I got guaranteed growth (I didn't look in to the growth rates and all that) and hoped for continuing luck on those that were doing well or didn't max out stats yet. It was particularly helpful on laguz units since they double stats when they transform. Shrug
Bonus exp in path of radiance gave you random/traditional level ups if I remember correctly radiant dawn was always limited to three stats boost maximum, however they often increase the units highest growths, so if you gave bonus to say Nephenee, she would gain levels in Speed, Skill and either HP or RES (both are 45%), however if a unit capped one of their three highest growth stats then the extra level would go which ever growths was next in line, in this case luck.