I love me the Marth Archetype: Sigurd (Horse Marth) Seliph (Marth 2.0) Roy (Red Marth) Hector (Armor Marth) Chrom (Future Marth) Lucina (Marth) Marth (Mask Marth)
I find it really weird that the Wiki puts Ashnard, Garon, Hardin and Vigarde under the Rudolf Archtype category. Rudolfs should actually be honorable man with a great ideal and a secret goal. Rudolf wasnt even a bad guy but a man who sacrifised everything so Alm could fullfill the prophecy. But Ashnard is just a psycho and Garon, Vigarde and Hardin are no longer themselves. Really weird.
Ashnard had ideals but obviously was mad. The archetype itself can be simplified down to the big bad king, the specifics are really just qualities that make each one "unique"
Ashnard was pretty much crazy from the get go, he only had the emblem until Petrine handed it to him. Granted he similairy to Ike saw problems with how Tellius functions but his way of achieving his ideal world were twisted as they come
My first encounter with the "Navarre Archetype" was as follows: "How well will you die?" "Be silent" "You're not a warrior" Lon'qu was amazing. And yes, I consider him a Navarre archetype, for the fact that he was a Ferrox warrior who comes to your side after beating his boss's forces.
Except his support with Peri, because it's Peri. She bends everyone to her will and gets away with it. Say what you want about Charlotte but at least she doesn't kill people over trivial matters and has some depth to her.
Personally, I don't hate Peri. She doesn't "bend people to her will", that's Charlotte! Peri just unfortunately doesn't know any better, and because she's childish, she'll just throw a temper tantrum if things don't go her way; I feel like Xander knows this and this is the reason he treats her the way he does in their supports. Speaking of Xander, his reason for not wanting to believe Xander is an absolute monster is because family is the most important thing to him. You see, he knew the old Garon and believed that there had to be some good reason to justify his actions and that the old Garon could somehow be brought back; it's also the reason he reacts SO badly to the avatar joining Hoshido/not choosing to support either side: he does NOT like the thought of betraying one's own family. That being said, it is extremely clear that Garon had become a monster; we actually see what became of him in Conquest. The only reason I think that people hate this part of Xander so much is because we don't get to see what Garon used to be like for ourselves, but rather are told about it by other characters that did know the way he used to be, and truthfully, it's rather tragic, really. I mean, yeah, I would've wanted to get the chance to see the way Garon once was with my own eyes and feel it's a big missed opportunity; I just wish people would stop being so salty about it and blaming it for wrecking Xander's character, when really, that's not the case at all. Think of it this way: how would YOU feel if someone YOU loved started behaving the way Garon did, and how badly would YOU want to see them hopefully one day go back to their old selves again?
I think scarlet is supposed to be the Minerva of fire emblem fates she wears the red armor/wyvern rider and is of nohrian birth but fights against her country.
Mariokemon Nope, Cheve is a part of Nohr. Scarlet leads a rebellion against Nohrian oppression, not an invasion. I think you may be thinking of Cyrkensia, where the opera house is
+Kaiju Sensei: Except for the fact that she's actively fighting against Nohr when you first see her. Most Minervas are loyal to their countries when you first see them.
Никита Кривко Well if that's enough to qualify as a Gharnef, he is apparently one. I don't see him as one honestly. Lyon, as a character, is just not evil and it's wasn't his plan to reawaken the Demon King.
Didn't notice they fall under this til I realize Boey is in a dark green robe and Mae has a red breastplate. They are a more lowkey example since their hair is of different colors and their promoted forms don't reflect the green/red color motif.
...Did you seriously just switch the descriptions for the Cain and Abel archetypes? Abel is supposed to be the level-headed serious one and Cain is the overly passionate and slightly more playful character. Other than that, nice list as always!
Eh, it flip-flops. I think it mostly sides with what he describes though. i.e. FE1,3,4,7,13,14. That's seven consistent nice guy versus serious guy comparisons.
the red knight tends to be serious while the green knight tends to be laidback, but it can be flexible. in fact, lukas and forsyth make the only example where one is laidback and sensible while another is serious and colorful, as opposed to others being serious and sensible or laidback and colorful
very mad guy in Fates' case, Kaze and Saizo are both serious, but Kaze tends to be more naive and trusting, while Saizo is (ironically) very jaded and cynical, with rage issues if he can't calm himself. Though that's partly due to Saizo actively protecting Kaze's innocence (well, innocent relative as a ninja) and hiding things that may upset his brother. While one is stil a hothead (literally), they're both usually the straight man and serious. It's a good way of integrating in character their different class than most christmas duos
Well actually....there's technically Cormag and his bro in Ephraim's game! :) other than that I can't think of any more Wyvern bros in FE. sadly enough his brother....well.....let's... leave it at that.
iNowi Nah that's not went down. The gods were decaying and Rudolf saw the signs for that so he became the enemy for the people to rise against without the gods help. Alm was one of the branded, destined heroes who'll save Valentia. Because of that Rudolf knew his son would become the hero Valentia needed. There's parts the story falls but this isn't one.
Nope The brand was set up to be apart of a PROPHECY that everyone including Rudolf knows of. It's fine and that manga keeps the same shit especially with Rudolf being Alm's father.
Camilla and Faye are far less creepy than Tharja though, and tbh none of these 3 characters are similar to each other at all other than being into the main character
OBJECTION! Well, sort of, The "Pegasus Sisters" trope DID appear loosely in Awakening, but was subverted in several ways; The characters (Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila) were friends rather than sisters who met by being in the same unit, and you never get the Triangle Attack because Gangrel murders Phila. But it still kinda works? A little bit? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?
If masked marth ( has anyone not played awakining) wasn't there in awakining lon'qu would of been an enemy therefore he would of been a Navarre WTH Masked marth
Yes, while he is not a enemy at first because of Lucina interfering with time he would have been the one to fight Chrom instead so technically he is part of the Navarre archetype. Then there's also the fact he carries a Killing Edge which is a staple weapon for them with a few exceptions.
i always thought the archetype was split between gaius and lon'qu in awakening. gaius is the early game recruitable enemy while lon'qu is the myrmidon with killing edge
@@wolfox7776 well, both are the quirky rogue archetype, who have deeper reasons than just being a thief, and are actually a noble thief when the situation calls for it. Whereas Lon'qu and Navarre are both the crit-dealing swordsmen who have a rough exterior and don't quite know how to do this human interaction thing comfortably
I really like that FE has all these archetypes, it feels like the series has it's own mythology. Archetypes are not a bad thing, it's actually the other way around, they're very natural and different cultures have had their own archetypes through history.
+Tori Vela: Actually, that archetype would likely be called either "Celica" or "Deirdre", considering the plot importance and the role as a lord's love interest. And you might as well throw Robin in there too, for the same reason.
Because he isn't initially an enemy that you have to talk to in order to recruit him. It's pretty clear that Lon'qu is a callback to Navarre otherwise though.
I'd still count Lon'qu as a Navarre archetype with his class and the killing edge but unlike the others he's just given to you lol Hopefully he's just an exception to the rule.
I see you're using Wikia as the basis. It's OK. But let me just explain... something. In Fire Emblem community, you'll find a lot who say discussing archetypes are pointless. However, I find it fascinating so it's all good. Second, there are other sites, like TV Tropes, that defined archetypes differently than Wikia. For instance, the Rudolf archetype is called Hardin instead (at least until Hardin himself got a brand new definition of villains that were possessed), and the Jagen archetype is split further into Jagen, Oifey and... Eyvel. 'Jeorge' refers to two things there: in addition of the 'disguised noble', it also has the definition of 'mid-game souped up archer'. There's also Linde being designated as 'female mage whose family member got murdered by the bad guys and like to pair up with Merric', Gordin as early archer, Draug as early armor knight, and even 'skirt-chasing guys' or 'girls with bad case of unrequited love'. It's... diverse, to say the least. Both sites has differing opinions about what constitutes as an archetype or not, and even some youtubers find some new personal archetypes. Even Orson (the traitor guy) Still, nothing wrong with taking cues from the Wikia. Good job!
“It’s no shock that the power hungry sorcerer would exist in this universe. Yes it’s not very original, but then again nothing is these days” That last sentence makes me laugh 😂🤣
Heh, I called the #1 right as I saw this video. My own favourites include... Jagen: Yes, the classic style. Sometimes with Oifeys, they tend to end up TOO good; Seth and Titania, for instances. Pure Jagens, however, fit their specific role perfectly without being broken. Gunter is my favourite of these (even if he only truly counts in Revelation) Cain and Abel: One of the most reliable ones around, almost always I end up with one or even both of these as a mainstay in my army. My favourites are Sain and Kent, and Oscar and Kieran. I generally prefer the Abel's, FTR. Camus: Probably the most interesting villain archetypes in the games, helps you remember not everyone on the opposing side is just an enemy to cut down. My favourites are either Camus himself, or Lloyd Reed (whom I feel counts even if the wiki doesn't) Ogma: I've always liked Mercenaries more the Myrmidons, so naturally I prefer this archetype. My favourite is probably Saber, and maybe Holyn/Chulainn. Merric: Ah, the early wind mages. This one has Soren, my favourite non-Lord in the whole series, so I can't leave this one out, can I? Maria: Like Blazing Knight, I almost always prefer these to the Lena's, with the one exception, funny enough, being the characters these archetypes. My favourite's either Lachiesis, Priscilla, or Elise. Minerva: Wyvern Knights are one of my favourite classes (my top 5 being them, Paladins, Troubadours, Mercenaries, and Dark Mages), so naturally I tend to like these. The original, Miledy, Heath, Cormag, Jill and Haar, Camilla... hard to really choose a favourite. Malledus: The tactician is often one of my favourite characters in an FE game. There's the aforementioned Soren, of course, but Lewyn and Robin are not too far off.
I know. I highly disagree with the reasoning on the Wiki being because he only shows up in one chapter and is motivated partially by fear of what Gangrel will do to him. The guy was still honorable, respected Emmeryn, cared about his men, and willingly stood his ground to the end for the sake of them. He's definitely a Camus in my book.
Great post and all but i'd like to play the devil's advocate here. The Jagen and Oifey split honestly makes no sense to me whatsoever. People make the distinction by saying "Oifey's are Jagen's but good," which is one of the most inaccurate claims i've ever heard. If you need a couple of examples, many claim that Seth from FE8 is an Oifey as apposed to FE11 Jagen, who is a "true Jagen." But is there a noticable difference between the two? Not really. They are both the most powerful unit of your starting roster, have access to powerful silver weapons, and are relevant for about 22 chapters or so (with and without growths). Now compare FE11!Jagen to say Oifey from FE4 who has his uses, but is ultimately sidelined in favor of better gen 2 units such as Seliph, Ares, and Leif. The lack of holy weapons (Leif has the rescue staff which gives him utility outside of combat), as well as rather mediocre starting weaponry ultimately sets him back behind FE11!Jagen. Now one counterexample is usually never enough, so I draw attention towards another "Oifey" in the form of Arran from Book 2 (who has the option of starshards which boost growth rates.) Sadly, despite the fact that many of his growths can be pushed beyond 50-60%, he is considered the weakest early prepromote in the series. Contrast that with Dagda, who comes from a game with similar growth boosting mechanics, and the difference is quite noticeable. Dagda is relevant even in endgame thanks to his crazy bases and charge. I would bring up some examples from Berwick Saga, but it's hard to contextualize bases and growths in that game, but I digress. In short, the Oifey archetypes aren't strictly better than the Jagen archetype, and "true Jagens" have shown to extend their usefulness throughout the entire game. As such, I kinda feel that the "Oifey" archetype means nothing and should be done away with. That's just my 2cents. Still enjoyed the watch.
Tbh I consider Jagen and Oifey one archetype as most of the time, no Jagens really "fall behind", since lul all of the Jagens are fucking awesome as units. Also WAAAAAAAAARD
literally every Jagen is high tier in their respective games, with the only exception I can actually think of being FE3!Arran who is marred more by the fact that everyone and their mom can use silvers (except lul seventh platoon), as well as a relatively mediocre class.
Fantastic list BlazingKnight, very well informed and hints of clever humour, well done! Just a personal opinion, I do feel that Xander on the Fates Birthright path did not come very close to what was depicted in his support conversations or in the Fates Conquest path but I do see a bit of reason in his actions and behaviour. Maybe if Garon was fleshed out a bit more as a complex/tragic figure maybe we, as the player, could understand Xander’s devotion to him and why he is willing to put so much on the line to defend his country. Oh well, there’s give and take in this situation, maybe Intelligent Systems can fix it if they decide to have a Fates remake in 10 years.
These videos are really cool, and whenever I get re-addicted to Fire Emblem I always come back and watch them all. I have seen most of them all before but its still great to throw on while playing. Thanks man!
Wouldn't Lissa count as a Maria, too? She's a Royal, has a sibling, is a healer (though not that dodgy), all she seems to be missing is the horse while healing
I'm surprised Lon'qu isn't considered a Navarre. sure you get him for free instead of him being an enemy unit but literally everything else about him checks out, and that's more than can be said for most of the characters considered to fit the Maria archetype
Honestly, Iago could very well be considered a Gharnef since he did try to resurrect a dragon in Birthright and his personality matches the archetype too
Though he's the Kempf archetype. Think Micahlis if you took out ALOT of his sympathetic parts and you have the Kempf. Mixed with the Jiol who is a high ranking noble who THINK their more important then they actually are and are antagonistic to the main Lord from the start. Since technically HANS fits the Kempf being an irredeemable hired help who was a threat early on to the Lord. Similar to how Narcian WOULD have beaten Roy if he dealt with him sooner and Perceivel was the only reason he failed the first time when he DID comfort Roy when he wasn't ready for him. If not for Gunter. Hans WOULD have killed Corrin at the valley
1 of the archetype i'm really disappointed in is the Michalis archetype. the first 2 members of this archetype, Michalis and Trabant, were amazing characters. but after that the archetype went downhill. Michalis didn't like how his country was a puppet state wasting its resources at Archanea's whim so he killed his father and took the throne. 3 years after being defeated his sister was dethroned in a coup d'etat, implying that when it comes to the prosperity of his own country maybe he was right. Trabant was king of a mountainous kingdom with little fertile soil. to make a better future for his people he was willing to do whatever it took. it's even implied that he held back in his final battle, dying on purpose as part of his plan to improve his kingdom. unfortunately, as i said, the archetype went downhill after these 2. Narcian was irredeemable scum. the guy from Blazing Sword was so unremarkable that i don't remember his name. and finally there's Valter and Gangrel who are both violent psychopaths who want to cause as much suffering as they can just for the fun of it.
Not completely Leo kind of counts under this archetype but only during birth right where he's an enemy that can't be recruited. The one thing you also can't forget with this archetype is that he supposed to be the opposite of Camus yet similar only in a different shade of Honor because of his patriotism to his kingdom and Country, and that his actions were largely motivated for his kingdom survival and prosperity then really just power for the sake of power. Basically he's the Black Knight to Camus "White Knight". Berkut was a "Michalis" in that even if he was an arrogant smug bastard with a superiority complex toward commoners common he did have good intentions when it came to his kingdom and did have his redeemable parts that's the part people almost forget what this archetype, though everything went horribly wrong of course which is another thing that comes with this archetype. In the case of Leo let's also add the bonus points that Camilla kind of counts as the Minerva archetype you know since both archetypes are siblings though it's kind of opposite being that Camilla is Leo's older sister , and they have a close relationship. But she's only that archetype during Revelations, starting out early as an enemy and then turning into an ally later. Birthright she's kind of the dark action chick only sympathetic compared to the others who fit that archetype like Sonia. But yeah it's at least good that archetype got used again. Don't honestly I think it was used again during the tellius games, one referring to is zelgius the Black Knight. Who was actually a mix of him and Camus, in that he did have his honorable side and did have his good qualities and did have good intentions and what he was trying to do but he admits some of his darker traits as well especially when it comes to his former master and his former master's son, showing that he is kind of arrogant you see that a lot when he's under the Black Knight persona. Funny enough when you think about it, you're left wondering which is his true personality, when he's the Black Knight or when he's not. To me his true personality is at the end when he's both when he's no longer hiding under the Black Knight identity, basically you get his true blue personality around the last time you deal with him when he Reveals His true identity to Ike. Plus you do get to play as him only in select Maps but yeah you get to play as him just like with the to mention archetypes. That's why I consider BK his own unique archetype, wall at the same time being a mix of two that were meant to be opposites of each other yet the same. But yeah I agree I do love that archetype you mention. Because I do like the bad guy who does have evil traits but also has good virtues. Because as much as Minerva was angry at her brother for murdering their father, I can't say his decision wasn't wrong his father was blindly keeping his loyalty to an Empire that had shown itself to be completely incompetent and his decision had he not murdered and replaced him would have seen their country destroyed. The only real major negative is how he treated his sister Maria in order to control Minerva, but he does redeem himself by Saving his sister and of course the fact that Maria never gave up on him even when Minerva did, and logically she should have hated him just as much as Minerva. Plus without him Marth would have been s*** out of luck in the finale
Some false archetypes are in the video. Lyon is not a Gharnef archetype, he's the "betrayal" or "good guy who got possesed by something or become evil" archetype.
SaltyLuigi let's see... Actively evil at the time of the game, highly skilled dark magic user, actively trying to resurrect an evil god who would ravage the world... sounds like the atchetype to me. Now, sure, a (more) sympathetic subversion as opposed to the more evil versions, but still fits.
@@Kairnestar Actually, Lyon differs from which path you take. He doesn't seek power for the sake of power, he wants it to prevent a calamity from engulfing the entirety of the Grado region. He actively tries to minimize casualties while also hiring madman so that they won't question his orders of breaking the stones
@@todd2.08 I mean, yes, he has his sympathetoc tones, but let's not let that get in tbe way of the fact he's an evil mage trying to resurrect an evil god. Good intentions be damned. Gharnef was once a promising student. They crossed the wrong lines trying to validate their own existences (Gharnef for jealousy and thirst for power, Lyon because he saw himself as being too weak and unfit to rule, in which he was right for the wrong reasons), and let that ambition warp them too far.
Last time I said, I was tired of these Blue Haired Lords. Now I'm tired of these White Haired Main Protagonists. We need more Red Haired Protagonists! Where are my Roy Boys!?
iNowi Robin is very much a protagonist. He's the character you play as, even if not a Lord like Chrom. Protagonists do not unnecessarily mean Lords. Also, he is uncontestably the primary protagonist in the third arc. Awakening has deuteragonists at first, between Chrom and Robin, and later, a triagonist set with Lucina. It's like how FE7 had 3 Lords, each in a protagonist position, particularly at different points in the game. Hector existing doesn't make Lyndis not a protagonist as well
I like this video. The one archetype that gets overlooked the most is the Est archetype. I don't think anyone talks about it. I have fun using them in combat and character is their major excelling point. Making them somehow my favorite archetype by far. Camus archetype is my 2nd favorite due to their devotion to their homeland. Even if it means death. Why did Fates ruin Xander's character? He fits the archetype in supports he has but the story made him poorly written. But hey, what could go worst? These two archetype are my favorites.
Personally I always liked Mycen from Echo's. Sure his stats aren't balls to the walls nuts, but I love his design especially the look of his armour and his relationship with Alm and Celica was touching especially considering the whole having no family himself thing so I always bring him along at the end of that game.
It most certainly doesn't, I love both awakening and Fates (especially conquest) and they've made many improvements to the series, but they are far from perfect and have some VERY serious flaws.
BLAZINGKNIGHT hey conquest is my favorite from those 3 too. And i agree, there's just a lot of people that when they talk bad about the game they only say bad things about it and don't mention the good, which you did, which made me happy Lol
The problem I feel with Birthright-Xander or Birthright in general is that, they tried really hard to mirror the story from one side to the other imo. So the controversies with characters are a thing. For example (some heavy spoilers ahead): In Chapter 25-26 The eldest brother has to be killed by Corrin. In the case of Ryoma I felt it was really sad and a hard moment in the story. But in the case for Xander... well you already know it. I love Conquest-Xander tho. Great videos as always :D
For fates characters, I like most of the Hoshido units except for Rhajat ans Selkie, ans for Nohr I like Beruka, Benny, Forrest and Keaton. I also like Shura, Silas, Jakob and Izana
In Three Houses (only played Blue Lions): Gangrel Archetype 10: Thales even though it's not a dragon Gotoh Archetype 09: Gilbert, but I still don't like him Pegasus Sisters Archetype 08: No pegasus trio sadly, only Ingrid is the most canonic-like pegasus knight in Three Houses Rudolf Archetype 07: Edelgard and kinda Rhea Cain & Abel Archetype 06: Sylvain & Felix or Catherine & Shamir Maria Archetype 05: Flayn, this mint gum heals me with love Navarre Archetype 04: Felix like he looks the part Oifey Archetype 03: Dedue, seriously he's so good even though he comes back halfway in Azure Moon Camus Archetype 02: It depends on each house I guess. I think any student that you didn't recruit Minerva Archetype 01: Edelgard (if you play Black Eagles)
Personally, the Camus archetype is my favourite. I can't help but have a ton of respect for these types of villains, as they clearly have a good heart, but they still fight on because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. So whenever I have to kill them, I do feel pretty bad since I really don't want to, and that personally makes them all the more respectable for me.
Nice video. The Maria archetype never personally stood out to me, mainly because Maria herself never stood out to me and I just don't associate the other characters with the Maria archetype. I have to say I am surprised no one has mentioned the Merric archetype. It has a basic template of the wind mage, but it has given us characters like Boey and Soren.
Oscar has always interested me because he technically fills two archetypal roles. He is both the Abel, and the Oldest Pegasus sibling. A lot of people never consider it since they're not the same classes as each other or even Pegasus classes, but Oscar, Boyd, and Rolf are the sibling trio archetype. Though I would probably switch Boyd and Rolf for personality roles, since Rolf is a lot quicker to stress and very timid, and Boyd's pretty. . . Exuberant. I also found your use of Lukas and Forsyth as a Cain/Able example reslly interesting, since Lukas is the kindhearted and calm, but simultaneously cold and calculating one, and Forsyth is the exuberant and boisterous one with grandiose dreams of becoming a knight. Esoecially since both Lukas and Python play similar roles when playing off of Forsyth. I also like how Celica has her own set in Mae and Boey.
I find it hard to distinguish between Lena and Maria, it feels like Lena is the missing Macedonian royal sibling because of how near identical they are. Maria doesn't feel like the snobby prissy type to me, same goes for Elise the cinnabun roll. I find it interesting that in FE6&7 the starting Clerics and Troubadours have their personalities swapped. Serra becomes the snobby (but still hilarious) one while Priscilla is the sweetheart, in contrast to Elen and Clarine. I started with Fates, so when I see that Kaze and Saizo being part of the archetype named after the Biblical siblings I initially assumed that ALL Cains and Abels are brothers. Then again most of them have a brother-like relationship anyways (Cain and Abel, Sain and Kent). Really dig Camus and wished that he serves as an archrival to Marth of sorts, though he's pretty close. His coolness is probably what saved him from "death" and appear in FE3 and be a good guy, just like Michalis. All while Hardin, a close ally to Marth in FE1 took their role as a prominent villain instead. Also Finn should be a Jagenoifey in FE5. I wonder who is older: Tana or Vanessa? But functionally Tana feels like the youngest and hippiest of the FE8 pegasus trio. Speaking of which, Fates has more than enough Pegasus units but none of them fits into the archetype (the all siblings aspect goes out of the window by FE8/9/10). I guess Hinoka can be a Catria and Reina as the Palla, but they don't have the Est pegasus.
Blazingknight, Abel is actually an odd case. Abel is an Abel in one game, but Abel is much more of an Est in FE 3/12 (more 12, since his growths are the same in FE 3). Abel is actually quite interesting (if only I could say that about Cain....)
I just got into the fire emblem games starting with the western gba titles then went into PoR and I'm playing RD. So far the stories in these games didn't seem that impressive to me with PoR being okayish. I can only imagine how bad awakening's storyline would be to me if I wasn't too fond of some of the "good" storyline games lol. I'm into the fire emblem games for the gameplay anyway.
Roge9 Subscribe for random vids! FE 4 and 5, Shadow Dragon/ Heroes of Light and Shadow, Sacred Stones and Gaiden/Echoes are generally considered better lol. Plus, a lot of character developments comes from the supports as well
Awakening story is pretty interesting, the real bad one is fates, it has a very good story base but the development is forced and there too many plot twists and plot holes
So based on fire emblem 3 houses, Mercedes is the Maria archetype Felix is the navarree archetype The solon and the slither in the dark group is the gharnef archetype And I guess edelgard is the Rudolf archetype. And would the death knight be a camus?
I don't really know if this is a FE archetype, but I really like it when a character thinks something like the wyverns or risen are cute. I think Cherche from Awakening has this personality and it's always been a favorite in any game or show I've seen
I agree with the Minerva archetype on the number 1 spot. You should do videos such as top ten mages or top ten archers. Loves your videos, can’t wait to watch more
I wonder if Python and Sonya would make it to the lists for just their characterization since Python has low skill growth and Sonya's competition can be a dread fighter soon.
Doodlebug Four I think Sonya could potentially make it if he does the list, I think she is a pretty interesting character even if she has deen as her competition.
I don't agree that tana is like est. I know that you didn't mean that she was eat archetype, but she doesn't act like a little sister at all and seems much more badass than the other Pegasus riders in the game
She gets captured a second time on Ephraim's Route. But he is right Tana is super optimistic and happy compared to her brother and literally only hopes to be of use to them even just a little which is usually a lot since they have always dominated for my playthroughs.
So when Eirika arrives near Friela chapter 2 she taken hostage at the keep saying she was waiting on Eirika to arrive. if you continue as Eirika no she doesn't get captured she just chases after you. Since you aren't rushing into enemy territory or so you think.
I completely agree with your love for the Minerva archetype and the assertion that Jill is the best example of it! Jill is my favorite female Fire Emblem character of all.
Omg i thought i was the only one who liked Sully OAO. (It's not that people hate her, she's just ignored and underrated and her child unit is VERY underrated in my opinion, i officially call Sully "man wife" XD)
When I saw the video title in my feed, I thought this might be one of my favorite Blazing Knight videos so far. I'm not disappointed. I'm a fan of the Cain/Abel archetype, as well as the Minerva-esque wyvern rider. I'm not sure if it's an archetype per se, but the "third" cavalier who is tankier has also always had a soft spot for me (Lowen, Treck, etc)
not all Minerva's are female. Cormag and Heath are examples of male ones. Minerva's are dragon riders hailing from the enemy land that join your team. Often having friends and loved ones in the opposing army
No she is a lena which is an earlier healer who is more likely to be a cleric like Elen from fe6, Serra from fe7, natasha from fe8, Sakura from fe14 (birthright, revelation) and Silque from fe2/fe15.
Actually, she's not technically a Lena either. Not every early game cleric is a Lena, the thing is that the Lenas are rescued from danger before being recruited, if I'm not mistaken.
Alva and Cain are debatably switchable with Orsin and Halvan, who could be the C&A or the Bord and Cord. They seem more like those Roshea and Vyland Cavaliers that everyone doesn't like. Regardless, I'm always glad to see more content from you in my Subscriptions Edit: Also, Dagdar could have a go at Oifey, according to most. Edit2: -Travant did nothing wrong though- Edit 3: Zeiss capped strength at base in Fe6 last playthrough. Just seeing that made me smile
Hey, Shadow Dragon has produced awesome archetypes, so don't feel ashamed for giving SD some credit for once. Keep in mind that even if they aren't best THERE, they WILL shine elsewhere (i.e: Zihark and Joshua are better than Navarre, who is still a solid character in my eyes).
I'll have to disagree with Sephiran being a 'power-hungry Sorcerer' type of character. He's not interested in gaining greater power, he's interested in exacting the Goddess' judgement on the world. He's world-weary more than anything, tired of mortals constantly being terrible, awful people, and wants to see it come to a stop - permanently. He is a great character though, and I was legitimately surprised when he turned out to be one of the antagonists. EDIT: That phrasing distracted me from some of your further points, so I'll say it seems like you used the wrong turn of phrase there, rather than an incorrect archetype placement.
They should try to create new archetype, because this almost looks like "lazyness"(even when the story behind the unit is unique). It would be a grave mistake to think that fire emblem is fine with the same trame other and other again this would potentially lead to issue such as the fed up community of call of. I always enjoy when they make innovation such as ike not being a lord or hector being a Axe user lord. If they could atleast change the class between some archetypes it would almost be enough That being said, take my like
Blazeingknight, while I rezpect your enthusiasm of the topic and the video was nice overall, I noticed a few errors in which characteds are and are not archetypes in certain groups. Reiv is the Ghareph of sacred stones - not Lyon.
20:32 WHERE'S VALTER?! HE WAS A PERFECT FOR THIS ARCHETYPE AND FIT WAY BETTER CAELLACH (I understand this is your opinion but I really just want conversation about Valter.)
Minerva, in general, is the best! And ummm... oh yeah, SHE IS THE *ORIGINAL* WYVERN RIDER!!!! All thanks to Minerva that we have that class archetype to begin with.
The archetype Fredrick is might be my favorite if not for basically what ever archetype Ryoma is. I don't know what archetype I would be. I'm loyal as a dog sometimes even more, I have as blazingknight knows a rather.......Unfortunate past....., and like Fredrick I am always ALWAYS there to support my friends and family sometimes quite literally taking a bullet for them and returning the favor a thousand fold. What archetype would THAT be blaze?
I'm....not really a fan of the Camus Archetype, gotta say. Some of the characters I like, like Murdock from FE6, but others I found either forgettable, or just plain stupid. Looking at you, Xander. The Minerva Archetype's great, though. They're usually among my best units. Milady from FE6 was a competitor for MVP
2:40, no, Lyon's not the Gharnef of FE8. That game's Gharnef is the final boss, Fomortiis. 4:30, Basilio and Flavia aren't Gotohs either. They're too weak. If anything, they're Normahs. 16:08, actually, Oifey's not useful for the entire game, since he does fall behind eventually. Especially since his game has quite a few legendary weapon users on your team, three or four of whom are on mounts. Sothe's not useful for the entirety of FE10 either, due to him permanently sharing the Dawn Brigade's availability, and how poor his weaponry and 3rd tier caps are. Frederick's not useful for the entirety of his game either, as he falls behind as soon as you defeat Gangrel. Jagen, however IS useful for his entire game, and that's thanks to stat boosters in FEs 1 and 3pt1, and forges in FE11. The fact that Jagen's useful all game despite having such low growth rates only proves that growth rates are overrated. Nevertheless, EVERY Jagen is incredibly reliable. 20:10, Sophia's too weak to be an Est. And Coirpre and Charlot are not in a combat class. Also, I'm pretty sure that Tailtyu would count as an Est. 20:50, Ninian's more of a Deirdre or a Celica, considering that she's a Lord love interest with plot importance.
Well. That means Narcian is a scrub, yet again. Defeated by Lilina and Wendy the Badasses, wrecked by Clarine and Rutger in Smash (Yes, Rutger. He was dragged into this by Clarine yet again.), Being belittled on Twitter and now... only an honorable mention. Sucks to be Mr Scrubby Wyvern Lord.
That much... Improve Awakening story that I've been wanting to see for so long since the comment I made about wanting to see that in the Improve Fates vid... missed it by THAT much... FUCK! ... Sigh... oh well, hopefully this means that the next vid will be about that. But seeing the archetype listing is not bad either, so I'll enjoy this as well. I do agree that it's legit impossible to make fresh new types of characters. Some way or another, they will have characteristics of another. Just like how there's very little possibility for there to be originality in franchises in general. Which you even pointed out. 10) Gharnef: The most common type of villain in the games. Evil sorcerers are just always there. Sadly, like you placed it, Validar is a failed character. Personally, I would have gone in the case where Validar was someone that was raised to despise the world, where his father made him see only the ugliness of mankind, as the common Grimleal religion believes that Grima is a god that exists to punish humanity when it has reached the height of corruption. Higher ups know that even they will be killed, but embrace death, having a nihilistic view on life. Anyways, I would be surprised if the Gharnef archetype WASN'T there, since so many Fire Emblem games use that very archetype, so glad that it's there... though you are very correct. It's really old now where it's just repeating the same old thing repeatedly... oh wait, maybe that IS the point of the Gharnef archetype... 9) Gotoh: I'll be honest, I feel that the case of Ephraim being raised to be this perfect warrior that never loses fights... would be more fitting if he was the Gotoh character from the beginning, rather than a main protag. See, if he was some late game recruit, then I can accept that he would be understandably awesome, but he's the twin brother, main hero, etc. and I just HATE him. Characters that are praised to be incredibly strong that they can even be considered legends works out perfectly for the Gotoh archetype, which is why I feel Ephraim should have been this archetype instead of the lord one. 8) Pegasus Sisters: I have begun to notice that the Triangle Attack is slowly being removed. I actually heard that it was possibly intended to be in Awakening, where it would be done with Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila, the latter was probably meant to be recruitable. However, the latter ended up dying, so that was lost. And it makes sense why these three can make it work. Sumia and Cordelia are best friends, and Phila is both Sumia and Cordelia's mentor. The relationship they have would have made sense on how they would be able to use Triangle Attack, and I would have preferred to see how Phila converses with Cordelia and Sumia, and really see how the mentor/student relationship worked out. 7) Rudolf: You are right. I've noticed that there seems to be a much better use of the Rudolf archetype and much more potential in them than the Gharnef. And it makes sense. Rudolf archetypes are filled with kings and emperors that generally have their own ideals, thinking farther than the general case of the Gharnef archetype and wanting to help the world. Even Ashnard was right in some way. Yeah, he's an asshole and cruel, but his philosophy of hating how people are judged simply by status of their bloodline rather than their own strength is horrible. He is insane, but at the same time, he had the desire to see farther in the future and wanting to see what was beyond the end of the war. Would the world be destroyed by his ambition of reviving the dark god, or would it not? And Garon, while terrible, did have much potential as you graciously pointed out in the Improve Fates video. Most Gharnef archetype work with selfish reason, with Nergal and Lyon being some exceptions, as even Nergal wanted to use the quintessence for less horrific need, but was corrupted that can be best described by how Ghast Station described it, "Because dark magic is basically like cocaine." 6) Cain and Abel: It's almost strange how most Cain and Abel archetypes end up being very close friends and sometimes lovers, despite how the name origin has Cain murdering Abel out of jealousy. Fun fact, I was the one that pushed a case that Mae and Boey also fit the Cain and Abel archetype. Before it was rejected, but I pushed it and eventually I was allowed to put it in because my reasons had solid ground. So Echoes essentially was the first game to use multiple archetypes, which make sense given how you have Alm and Celica's route played separately, so each side have a type of unit that fits an archetype. 5) Maria: So basically they have to fall under one or two of those categories. All three means they are that archetype. But what you said was interesting about how unlike the many other archetypes previously mentioned, the Maria archetype is actually much more versatile when it comes to personality, which is definitely a positive. Priscilla is also rather tragic as pretty much majority of her supports has her having to break off any relationships with her guy, with only Erk I believe to be the only one that manages to stay with her. It's sad. Especially with Sain as him and Priscilla don't even get a paired ending, but rather their relationship really ends in the A support. 4) Navarre: ... Really? Now you just opened the can of worms that is Ayra/Robin shipping. SOMEONE out there that sees this is probably ALREADY thinking of the possibility! Anyways, even to this day, people still try to believe that Lon'qu belongs in this archetype, but the issue here is that he never starts as an enemy. I would argue that Lon'qu was your enemy in the original timeline, where he was still Basilio's champion. But because time traveling Lucina ended up booting him from that seat, he ended up being your ally immediately. 3) Oifey: Well... Oifey is essentially considered a sub-archetype of the Jeigan archetype. The Jeigans that you're referring to are called Pure Jeigans, that are old and have poor stat growths, whereas Oifey archetypes are like Jeigans, but have better growth, though less base stats. Pure Jeigans are poor late game, but Oifey can still retain usability to the endgame. Interestingly enough, Revelations would put Gunter as a Pure Jeigan archetype, as you get him and keep him early game, but his growths are piss poor. 2) Camus: Ah, one of my favorite, yet sometimes most tragic archetypes. Yes, Xander's Camus archetype for Birthright was indeed shitty Fates writing. You have to go watch Ghast Station's Support Science regarding Xander. It's so long that it's a two parter. Anyways, the point of the Camus archetype is to have a decent human being fight for the wrong side. Their purpose was in fact to invoke the moral grey. Fates failed at that, but the others did succeed. It REALLY sucks when you realize that Camus survived the battle with Marth, but even then he can never be together with Nyna, because he is now with Tatiana. The curse of Artemis remains. And the worst part about Eldigan is that you either kill him or you have him return only to be killed. There's NO saving that man... I won't go over the honorable mentions, though they are very good indeed. 1) Minerva: Yeah, definitely no complaints there. Despite how Camilla really doesn't strike my fancy, she does have depth in the makings of a woman that likely developed a mental disorder, but you cannot see that depth when she's on about Corrin. I love the characters in this archetype like Jill and Minerva herself. The pain and suffering that they must go through when they must fight their own family is heartbreaking. So while I was a bit upset over the Awakening vid missing by that much, I enjoyed this video. Can't want to see more of your vids. :D
I love me the Marth Archetype:
Sigurd (Horse Marth)
Seliph (Marth 2.0)
Roy (Red Marth)
Hector (Armor Marth)
Chrom (Future Marth)
Lucina (Marth)
Marth (Mask Marth)
Taxi Knight Hector is a Marth? Okay..
Jedy Zichterman
Everyone is a Marth
Except Alm
You forget
Ike (Mercenary marth)
Lyn (Female marth)
Elliwood (weak marth)
JK
Alm: Green Marth
It’s not the Cain and Able Archetype, it’s the Christmas knights
Nuttysboy That one guy No it’s Cain and Able last I cheek
@@Gachalover-pb3co It was a joke
@@Gachalover-pb3co its just a joke because red amd green
I find it really weird that the Wiki puts Ashnard, Garon, Hardin and Vigarde under the Rudolf Archtype category.
Rudolfs should actually be honorable man with a great ideal and a secret goal. Rudolf wasnt even a bad guy but a man who sacrifised everything so Alm could fullfill the prophecy.
But Ashnard is just a psycho and Garon, Vigarde and Hardin are no longer themselves.
Really weird.
Ashnard had ideals but obviously was mad. The archetype itself can be simplified down to the big bad king, the specifics are really just qualities that make each one "unique"
Asnard wasn't just a straight up crazy dude tho,the Emblem eventually corrupted him to the extreme of his ideals .
Ashnard was pretty much crazy from the get go, he only had the emblem until Petrine handed it to him. Granted he similairy to Ike saw problems with how Tellius functions but his way of achieving his ideal world were twisted as they come
My first encounter with the "Navarre Archetype" was as follows:
"How well will you die?"
"Be silent"
"You're not a warrior"
Lon'qu was amazing. And yes, I consider him a Navarre archetype, for the fact that he was a Ferrox warrior who comes to your side after beating his boss's forces.
And if it wasn't for Masked Marth, Lon'qu would've been the enemy boss of Chapter 4 and then he would be a perfect fit for the archetype.
I think Felix and Lon'qiu are my favorite Navarre archetypes.
Same here, meeting Lon’qu made me love those Navarres and Myridons and Swordmasters
"Pegasus sister trio"
>Half these girls aren't related
Doesn't boid, oscar, and Rolf fit the bill too
The Whitewings Archetype. There, are you happy?
"Alas I am a victim of Fates' shitty writing"- Xander 2017 18:12
Sad since his supports are actually written very well. It's like the main story and supports were done my different people.
Except his support with Peri, because it's Peri. She bends everyone to her will and gets away with it. Say what you want about Charlotte but at least she doesn't kill people over trivial matters and has some depth to her.
Personally, I enjoy all versions of fates.
Personally, I don't hate Peri. She doesn't "bend people to her will", that's Charlotte! Peri just unfortunately doesn't know any better, and because she's childish, she'll just throw a temper tantrum if things don't go her way; I feel like Xander knows this and this is the reason he treats her the way he does in their supports. Speaking of Xander, his reason for not wanting to believe Xander is an absolute monster is because family is the most important thing to him. You see, he knew the old Garon and believed that there had to be some good reason to justify his actions and that the old Garon could somehow be brought back; it's also the reason he reacts SO badly to the avatar joining Hoshido/not choosing to support either side: he does NOT like the thought of betraying one's own family. That being said, it is extremely clear that Garon had become a monster; we actually see what became of him in Conquest. The only reason I think that people hate this part of Xander so much is because we don't get to see what Garon used to be like for ourselves, but rather are told about it by other characters that did know the way he used to be, and truthfully, it's rather tragic, really. I mean, yeah, I would've wanted to get the chance to see the way Garon once was with my own eyes and feel it's a big missed opportunity; I just wish people would stop being so salty about it and blaming it for wrecking Xander's character, when really, that's not the case at all. Think of it this way: how would YOU feel if someone YOU loved started behaving the way Garon did, and how badly would YOU want to see them hopefully one day go back to their old selves again?
I think scarlet is supposed to be the Minerva of fire emblem fates she wears the red armor/wyvern rider and is of nohrian birth but fights against her country.
she's not Nohrian. Cheve is neutral
Mariokemon Nope, Cheve is a part of Nohr. Scarlet leads a rebellion against Nohrian oppression, not an invasion. I think you may be thinking of Cyrkensia, where the opera house is
+Kaiju Sensei: Except for the fact that she's actively fighting against Nohr when you first see her. Most Minervas are loyal to their countries when you first see them.
Everybody knows that Scarlet is a Hoshidan through and through anyways s/
Im pretty sure she gets hurt by Nohrian swamps, so, technically yes.
Dat moment, when Blazingknight releases a new video and your life makes sense again. But Lyon being a Gharnef... Eh
Gaius, Thiefking of Ylisse he is though
-possessed by evil
-Startes the all the bad things happening in the story
-Fought in the end game
Yeah, Lyon is not a Gharnef...
Никита Кривко Well if that's enough to qualify as a Gharnef, he is apparently one. I don't see him as one honestly. Lyon, as a character, is just not evil and it's wasn't his plan to reawaken the Demon King.
I was suprised as well. Gharnef archetypes are usually pure evil, and Lyon seems to nice to be one
i think Reiv is more of the Garnef, but the wiki's staff currently says its Lyon
Finally some recognizing Mae and Boey as Cain and Abel
Didn't notice they fall under this til I realize Boey is in a dark green robe and Mae has a red breastplate. They are a more lowkey example since their hair is of different colors and their promoted forms don't reflect the green/red color motif.
*sees this in sub box*
Welp, homework can wait
Same
SharpEyLogic sees this. See's homework.
"I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it.... *I NEED IT!* "
or dont do it lol
thankfully didnt have any
I bet dancer is not on the list
too situational
Dancer isn't an archetype, it's a class
That's a class with different archetypes- shy/quiet characters loud/energetic characters important characters and what not
It's a inner joke from this channel, it wans't seriously
I like how some of the Cain & Abel archetypes wear Red and Green, akin to that of another famous pair of brothers...
And one C&A pair are actually brothers
Aubrey Westhusing "some"
Mario and Luigi
@@rupturedsky776 Good one XD
...Did you seriously just switch the descriptions for the Cain and Abel archetypes? Abel is supposed to be the level-headed serious one and Cain is the overly passionate and slightly more playful character. Other than that, nice list as always!
Eh, it flip-flops. I think it mostly sides with what he describes though. i.e. FE1,3,4,7,13,14. That's seven consistent nice guy versus serious guy comparisons.
the red knight tends to be serious while the green knight tends to be laidback, but it can be flexible. in fact, lukas and forsyth make the only example where one is laidback and sensible while another is serious and colorful, as opposed to others being serious and sensible or laidback and colorful
very mad guy in Fates' case, Kaze and Saizo are both serious, but Kaze tends to be more naive and trusting, while Saizo is (ironically) very jaded and cynical, with rage issues if he can't calm himself. Though that's partly due to Saizo actively protecting Kaze's innocence (well, innocent relative as a ninja) and hiding things that may upset his brother. While one is stil a hothead (literally), they're both usually the straight man and serious. It's a good way of integrating in character their different class than most christmas duos
I Just had the best idea:
WYVERN BROTHERS!
Well actually....there's technically Cormag and his bro in Ephraim's game! :) other than that I can't think of any more Wyvern bros in FE. sadly enough his brother....well.....let's... leave it at that.
The closest thing we have to that are Dean and Eda from fe5, but they are brother and sister.
flipples nipples then that makes Cormag and Glen still the only Wyvern brothers so far....hopefully there will be more wyvern bros in future games!
Man the idea, gonna be fun.
Well miledy is a woman but with zeiss they can be called wybern brothers
Lyon is a Harding, Riev is the Garnef
Give this man a cookie.
Actually, Reiv's an Ephidel. If there's anyone who's a Gharnef in FE8, it's Fomortiis.
+LittleAl016
No no no. Fomortiis isn't a Gharnef; it's a Medeus, as in the FINAL final boss, like Duma and Grima.
+Choice Snarf: Doesn't change the fact that Fomortiis is directly responsible for everything that happens in FE8.
First off, the emperor archetype is called the Rudolph, not the Hardin. Second, Vigarde is the Rudolph of that game.
Rudolf wasn’t a power hungry character, he did what he had to because he knew that Alm would save everyone. Good video btw
iNowi The manga is much better written.
iNowi well he didn’t predict, he saw the brand
iNowi Nah that's not went down. The gods were decaying and Rudolf saw the signs for that so he became the enemy for the people to rise against without the gods help. Alm was one of the branded, destined heroes who'll save Valentia. Because of that Rudolf knew his son would become the hero Valentia needed. There's parts the story falls but this isn't one.
Nope
The brand was set up to be apart of a PROPHECY that everyone including Rudolf knows of. It's fine and that manga keeps the same shit especially with Rudolf being Alm's father.
Nuibaba ヌイババ oh right,
23:35 Its so strange hearing that chapter's actual name all that registers for me is "CHAPTER 10"
Si67 Wait, it has a name?
I only remember it as Chapter 10.
It's also knows as Blame Takumi
Camilla is more like a tharja archetype for me. Obessed with the main character like faye or tharja
Camilla and Faye are far less creepy than Tharja though, and tbh none of these 3 characters are similar to each other at all other than being into the main character
to quote Shiida from shadow dragon and the blade of light "in war women and children cry"
papermariottydfan1 Caeda*
actually no she is called Shiida in the UK version of shadow dragon so i am right your using the american name which i don't like
OBJECTION! Well, sort of,
The "Pegasus Sisters" trope DID appear loosely in Awakening, but was subverted in several ways; The characters (Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila) were friends rather than sisters who met by being in the same unit, and you never get the Triangle Attack because Gangrel murders Phila. But it still kinda works? A little bit? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?
Fates has the Catria (Hinoka) and Palla (Reina) Pegasus Knight but not Est.
If masked marth
( has anyone not played awakining)
wasn't there in awakining lon'qu would of been an enemy therefore he would of been a Navarre
WTH Masked marth
Yes, while he is not a enemy at first because of Lucina interfering with time he would have been the one to fight Chrom instead so technically he is part of the Navarre archetype. Then there's also the fact he carries a Killing Edge which is a staple weapon for them with a few exceptions.
i always thought the archetype was split between gaius and lon'qu in awakening. gaius is the early game recruitable enemy while lon'qu is the myrmidon with killing edge
very mad guy gaius is more a Julian, tbh
@@Kairnestar don't you get Julian for free tho? I'd say Gaius and Lon'qu just traded archetypes
@@wolfox7776 well, both are the quirky rogue archetype, who have deeper reasons than just being a thief, and are actually a noble thief when the situation calls for it. Whereas Lon'qu and Navarre are both the crit-dealing swordsmen who have a rough exterior and don't quite know how to do this human interaction thing comfortably
I really like that FE has all these archetypes, it feels like the series has it's own mythology. Archetypes are not a bad thing, it's actually the other way around, they're very natural and different cultures have had their own archetypes through history.
Ninian/mysterious dancer archetype is my favorite...
Ah yes all three of the units like her
Azura
Ninian
Nils
thats not the archetye. Ninian is a Jorge. A character who seems to be a simple traveler, but is actually plot important or royalty
Mariokemon I was kidding
missed the 2nd sentence
Mariokemon oh okay makes sense but it would be funny if the mysterious dancer thing became an archetype
+Tori Vela: Actually, that archetype would likely be called either "Celica" or "Deirdre", considering the plot importance and the role as a lord's love interest. And you might as well throw Robin in there too, for the same reason.
14:19 Omg I laughed so hard there XD and btw, why isn't Lon'qu a Navarre?
Because he isn't initially an enemy that you have to talk to in order to recruit him. It's pretty clear that Lon'qu is a callback to Navarre otherwise though.
Maybe in Lucina's timeline, but not really in game.
Technically you get him after beating his boss's soldiers, so you could say that makes him a Navarre.
The Dutchlander Cause he isn’t an enemy
I'd still count Lon'qu as a Navarre archetype with his class and the killing edge but unlike the others he's just given to you lol Hopefully he's just an exception to the rule.
I see you're using Wikia as the basis. It's OK. But let me just explain... something.
In Fire Emblem community, you'll find a lot who say discussing archetypes are pointless. However, I find it fascinating so it's all good.
Second, there are other sites, like TV Tropes, that defined archetypes differently than Wikia. For instance, the Rudolf archetype is called Hardin instead (at least until Hardin himself got a brand new definition of villains that were possessed), and the Jagen archetype is split further into Jagen, Oifey and... Eyvel. 'Jeorge' refers to two things there: in addition of the 'disguised noble', it also has the definition of 'mid-game souped up archer'. There's also Linde being designated as 'female mage whose family member got murdered by the bad guys and like to pair up with Merric', Gordin as early archer, Draug as early armor knight, and even 'skirt-chasing guys' or 'girls with bad case of unrequited love'. It's... diverse, to say the least.
Both sites has differing opinions about what constitutes as an archetype or not, and even some youtubers find some new personal archetypes. Even Orson (the traitor guy)
Still, nothing wrong with taking cues from the Wikia. Good job!
This is a really underrated post, good on you.
Glad to finally know Tinni's archetype in FE4... she is a Linde but I wonder if Ced is a Merric?
“It’s no shock that the power hungry sorcerer would exist in this universe. Yes it’s not very original, but then again nothing is these days”
That last sentence makes me laugh 😂🤣
*insert original "navarrechetype" comment here*
Seth should become a variation of the Jagen archetype.
- A unit that can solo the entire game
-It's easier to clear the game only using this unit
...did Caineghis just punch Ike for 50 damage?
With an archetype like Cain & Abel... I'm always dreading that one might end up killing the other. *Looks over at Keiran & Saizo*
Heh, I called the #1 right as I saw this video.
My own favourites include...
Jagen: Yes, the classic style. Sometimes with Oifeys, they tend to end up TOO good; Seth and Titania, for instances. Pure Jagens, however, fit their specific role perfectly without being broken. Gunter is my favourite of these (even if he only truly counts in Revelation)
Cain and Abel: One of the most reliable ones around, almost always I end up with one or even both of these as a mainstay in my army. My favourites are Sain and Kent, and Oscar and Kieran. I generally prefer the Abel's, FTR.
Camus: Probably the most interesting villain archetypes in the games, helps you remember not everyone on the opposing side is just an enemy to cut down. My favourites are either Camus himself, or Lloyd Reed (whom I feel counts even if the wiki doesn't)
Ogma: I've always liked Mercenaries more the Myrmidons, so naturally I prefer this archetype. My favourite is probably Saber, and maybe Holyn/Chulainn.
Merric: Ah, the early wind mages. This one has Soren, my favourite non-Lord in the whole series, so I can't leave this one out, can I?
Maria: Like Blazing Knight, I almost always prefer these to the Lena's, with the one exception, funny enough, being the characters these archetypes. My favourite's either Lachiesis, Priscilla, or Elise.
Minerva: Wyvern Knights are one of my favourite classes (my top 5 being them, Paladins, Troubadours, Mercenaries, and Dark Mages), so naturally I tend to like these. The original, Miledy, Heath, Cormag, Jill and Haar, Camilla... hard to really choose a favourite.
Malledus: The tactician is often one of my favourite characters in an FE game. There's the aforementioned Soren, of course, but Lewyn and Robin are not too far off.
The reason why Seth was so important in sacred stones is because you can't kill him.
'Some men just want to watch the world burn.'
*Ohohohoho talk to Surtr about that, he's literally fire.*
Why mustafa is not in the camus archetypes, other than that great video man
I know. I highly disagree with the reasoning on the Wiki being because he only shows up in one chapter and is motivated partially by fear of what Gangrel will do to him. The guy was still honorable, respected Emmeryn, cared about his men, and willingly stood his ground to the end for the sake of them. He's definitely a Camus in my book.
kcsupersonic1 A Camus is someone who's loyalty to their country has no bounds. Mustafa and his men were threatened to fight.
Weeaboo slayer bad day?
He is!
kcsupersonic1 But the Camus archetype does something in the plot and Mustafa doesn't.
Great post and all but i'd like to play the devil's advocate here.
The Jagen and Oifey split honestly makes no sense to me whatsoever. People make the distinction by saying "Oifey's are Jagen's but good," which is one of the most inaccurate claims i've ever heard. If you need a couple of examples, many claim that Seth from FE8 is an Oifey as apposed to FE11 Jagen, who is a "true Jagen." But is there a noticable difference between the two? Not really. They are both the most powerful unit of your starting roster, have access to powerful silver weapons, and are relevant for about 22 chapters or so (with and without growths). Now compare FE11!Jagen to say Oifey from FE4 who has his uses, but is ultimately sidelined in favor of better gen 2 units such as Seliph, Ares, and Leif. The lack of holy weapons (Leif has the rescue staff which gives him utility outside of combat), as well as rather mediocre starting weaponry ultimately sets him back behind FE11!Jagen. Now one counterexample is usually never enough, so I draw attention towards another "Oifey" in the form of Arran from Book 2 (who has the option of starshards which boost growth rates.) Sadly, despite the fact that many of his growths can be pushed beyond 50-60%, he is considered the weakest early prepromote in the series. Contrast that with Dagda, who comes from a game with similar growth boosting mechanics, and the difference is quite noticeable. Dagda is relevant even in endgame thanks to his crazy bases and charge. I would bring up some examples from Berwick Saga, but it's hard to contextualize bases and growths in that game, but I digress.
In short, the Oifey archetypes aren't strictly better than the Jagen archetype, and "true Jagens" have shown to extend their usefulness throughout the entire game. As such, I kinda feel that the "Oifey" archetype means nothing and should be done away with. That's just my 2cents. Still enjoyed the watch.
Tbh I consider Jagen and Oifey one archetype as most of the time, no Jagens really "fall behind", since lul all of the Jagens are fucking awesome as units.
Also WAAAAAAAAARD
literally every Jagen is high tier in their respective games, with the only exception I can actually think of being FE3!Arran who is marred more by the fact that everyone and their mom can use silvers (except lul seventh platoon), as well as a relatively mediocre class.
Ziggy McDougal Also true
Fantastic list BlazingKnight, very well informed and hints of clever humour, well done!
Just a personal opinion, I do feel that Xander on the Fates Birthright path did not come very close to what was depicted in his support conversations or in the Fates Conquest path but I do see a bit of reason in his actions and behaviour. Maybe if Garon was fleshed out a bit more as a complex/tragic figure maybe we, as the player, could understand Xander’s devotion to him and why he is willing to put so much on the line to defend his country. Oh well, there’s give and take in this situation, maybe Intelligent Systems can fix it if they decide to have a Fates remake in 10 years.
These videos are really cool, and whenever I get re-addicted to Fire Emblem I always come back and watch them all. I have seen most of them all before but its still great to throw on while playing. Thanks man!
You missed L'Arachel for Maria archetype! She's funny!
Wouldn't Lissa count as a Maria, too? She's a Royal, has a sibling, is a healer (though not that dodgy), all she seems to be missing is the horse while healing
"Sonya>Deen"
Excuuuuuse me, Blazing!
But really, imo Deen>Sonya when talking about the Unit. Sonya>Deen when talking about the Character.
Est is BEst (archetype)
"I can think of someone who can get them to.... open up... to him."
xD xD I'M DEAD!
Ayra is best waifu! Fight me!
I'm surprised Lon'qu isn't considered a Navarre. sure you get him for free instead of him being an enemy unit but literally everything else about him checks out, and that's more than can be said for most of the characters considered to fit the Maria archetype
Honestly, Iago could very well be considered a Gharnef since he did try to resurrect a dragon in Birthright and his personality matches the archetype too
Though he's the Kempf archetype. Think Micahlis if you took out ALOT of his sympathetic parts and you have the Kempf. Mixed with the Jiol who is a high ranking noble who THINK their more important then they actually are and are antagonistic to the main Lord from the start. Since technically HANS fits the Kempf being an irredeemable hired help who was a threat early on to the Lord. Similar to how Narcian WOULD have beaten Roy if he dealt with him sooner and Perceivel was the only reason he failed the first time when he DID comfort Roy when he wasn't ready for him. If not for Gunter. Hans WOULD have killed Corrin at the valley
1 of the archetype i'm really disappointed in is the Michalis archetype.
the first 2 members of this archetype, Michalis and Trabant, were amazing characters. but after that the archetype went downhill.
Michalis didn't like how his country was a puppet state wasting its resources at Archanea's whim so he killed his father and took the throne. 3 years after being defeated his sister was dethroned in a coup d'etat, implying that when it comes to the prosperity of his own country maybe he was right.
Trabant was king of a mountainous kingdom with little fertile soil. to make a better future for his people he was willing to do whatever it took. it's even implied that he held back in his final battle, dying on purpose as part of his plan to improve his kingdom.
unfortunately, as i said, the archetype went downhill after these 2.
Narcian was irredeemable scum. the guy from Blazing Sword was so unremarkable that i don't remember his name. and finally there's Valter and Gangrel who are both violent psychopaths who want to cause as much suffering as they can just for the fun of it.
Not completely Leo kind of counts under this archetype but only during birth right where he's an enemy that can't be recruited. The one thing you also can't forget with this archetype is that he supposed to be the opposite of Camus yet similar only in a different shade of Honor because of his patriotism to his kingdom and Country, and that his actions were largely motivated for his kingdom survival and prosperity then really just power for the sake of power. Basically he's the Black Knight to Camus "White Knight".
Berkut was a "Michalis" in that even if he was an arrogant smug bastard with a superiority complex toward commoners common he did have good intentions when it came to his kingdom and did have his redeemable parts that's the part people almost forget what this archetype, though everything went horribly wrong of course which is another thing that comes with this archetype. In the case of Leo let's also add the bonus points that Camilla kind of counts as the Minerva archetype you know since both archetypes are siblings though it's kind of opposite being that Camilla is Leo's older sister , and they have a close relationship. But she's only that archetype during Revelations, starting out early as an enemy and then turning into an ally later. Birthright she's kind of the dark action chick only sympathetic compared to the others who fit that archetype like Sonia. But yeah it's at least good that archetype got used again. Don't honestly I think it was used again during the tellius games, one referring to is zelgius the Black Knight. Who was actually a mix of him and Camus, in that he did have his honorable side and did have his good qualities and did have good intentions and what he was trying to do but he admits some of his darker traits as well especially when it comes to his former master and his former master's son, showing that he is kind of arrogant you see that a lot when he's under the Black Knight persona. Funny enough when you think about it, you're left wondering which is his true personality, when he's the Black Knight or when he's not. To me his true personality is at the end when he's both when he's no longer hiding under the Black Knight identity, basically you get his true blue personality around the last time you deal with him when he Reveals His true identity to Ike. Plus you do get to play as him only in select Maps but yeah you get to play as him just like with the to mention archetypes. That's why I consider BK his own unique archetype, wall at the same time being a mix of two that were meant to be opposites of each other yet the same.
But yeah I agree I do love that archetype you mention. Because I do like the bad guy who does have evil traits but also has good virtues. Because as much as Minerva was angry at her brother for murdering their father, I can't say his decision wasn't wrong his father was blindly keeping his loyalty to an Empire that had shown itself to be completely incompetent and his decision had he not murdered and replaced him would have seen their country destroyed. The only real major negative is how he treated his sister Maria in order to control Minerva, but he does redeem himself by Saving his sister and of course the fact that Maria never gave up on him even when Minerva did, and logically she should have hated him just as much as Minerva. Plus without him Marth would have been s*** out of luck in the finale
"you can't sway them even with a fresh copy of path of raddince" WHAT ABOUT A FRESH COPY OF RADAINT DAWN HMMMM
Path of Radiance is more expensive than Radiant Dawn.
MrYugioh5d I know but radaint dawn is harder to get and a better game
they could sway me with a fresh copy of that game. it feels wrong to be loyal to the series and not even touch tellius
Yeah, you're missing out on my favorite games in the series.
blame accessibility
Some false archetypes are in the video.
Lyon is not a Gharnef archetype, he's the "betrayal" or "good guy who got possesed by something or become evil" archetype.
So... Takumi and Orson?
and hardin
SaltyLuigi let's see... Actively evil at the time of the game, highly skilled dark magic user, actively trying to resurrect an evil god who would ravage the world... sounds like the atchetype to me. Now, sure, a (more) sympathetic subversion as opposed to the more evil versions, but still fits.
@@Kairnestar Actually, Lyon differs from which path you take. He doesn't seek power for the sake of power, he wants it to prevent a calamity from engulfing the entirety of the Grado region. He actively tries to minimize casualties while also hiring madman so that they won't question his orders of breaking the stones
@@todd2.08 I mean, yes, he has his sympathetoc tones, but let's not let that get in tbe way of the fact he's an evil mage trying to resurrect an evil god. Good intentions be damned. Gharnef was once a promising student. They crossed the wrong lines trying to validate their own existences (Gharnef for jealousy and thirst for power, Lyon because he saw himself as being too weak and unfit to rule, in which he was right for the wrong reasons), and let that ambition warp them too far.
Last time I said, I was tired of these Blue Haired Lords.
Now I'm tired of these White Haired Main Protagonists.
We need more Red Haired Protagonists!
Where are my Roy Boys!?
iNowi Plus, technically Robin and Corrin are technically whatever hair color you want, not exclusively White.
Robin is a protagonist because he is customizable.
Roy's sitting in Ch21 still unpremotted, trying to figure out how to beat the chapter in less than 30 turns without being destroyed by WYVERNS.
i mean...celica
iNowi Robin is very much a protagonist. He's the character you play as, even if not a Lord like Chrom. Protagonists do not unnecessarily mean Lords. Also, he is uncontestably the primary protagonist in the third arc.
Awakening has deuteragonists at first, between Chrom and Robin, and later, a triagonist set with Lucina. It's like how FE7 had 3 Lords, each in a protagonist position, particularly at different points in the game. Hector existing doesn't make Lyndis not a protagonist as well
The number of spelling errors in this video...
I like this video. The one archetype that gets overlooked the most is the Est archetype. I don't think anyone talks about it. I have fun using them in combat and character is their major excelling point. Making them somehow my favorite archetype by far. Camus archetype is my 2nd favorite due to their devotion to their homeland. Even if it means death. Why did Fates ruin Xander's character? He fits the archetype in supports he has but the story made him poorly written. But hey, what could go worst? These two archetype are my favorites.
Personally I always liked Mycen from Echo's. Sure his stats aren't balls to the walls nuts, but I love his design especially the look of his armour and his relationship with Alm and Celica was touching especially considering the whole having no family himself thing so I always bring him along at the end of that game.
I hate when people thrash awakening and fates... Just because there different then past games doesn't make them bad games
It most certainly doesn't, I love both awakening and Fates (especially conquest) and they've made many improvements to the series, but they are far from perfect and have some VERY serious flaws.
BLAZINGKNIGHT hey conquest is my favorite from those 3 too. And i agree, there's just a lot of people that when they talk bad about the game they only say bad things about it and don't mention the good, which you did, which made me happy Lol
agreed, people do a have tendency to over blow the flaws are ignore the positives, which is rather sad.
Yes and I'm glad that you are not one of those people and give credit to the games where they deserve it
+10
The problem I feel with Birthright-Xander or Birthright in general is that, they tried really hard to mirror the story from one side to the other imo. So the controversies with characters are a thing. For example (some heavy spoilers ahead): In Chapter 25-26 The eldest brother has to be killed by Corrin. In the case of Ryoma I felt it was really sad and a hard moment in the story. But in the case for Xander... well you already know it. I love Conquest-Xander tho. Great videos as always :D
Lyon isn’t a Gharnef. He’s a Julius (FE4). And Lon’qu is also a Navarre.
iPonimeOtaku Never really thought about that. He's Julius if we actually got to see his good side
Lon'qu is most definitely not a Navarre
"Garon looks like he'll eat you!"
-Blazing Knight 2017
Fire Emblem has always made great characters, even some in Fates?? I guess? Leo and Kaze were good, and Elise was cute and Odin was funny.
You mean owain his name is owain
@@seliphsnom2596 He goes by Odin in Fates.
For fates characters, I like most of the Hoshido units except for Rhajat ans Selkie, ans for Nohr I like Beruka, Benny, Forrest and Keaton. I also like Shura, Silas, Jakob and Izana
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 ik i just find it hard to not call them by there real name
In Three Houses (only played Blue Lions):
Gangrel Archetype
10: Thales even though it's not a dragon
Gotoh Archetype
09: Gilbert, but I still don't like him
Pegasus Sisters Archetype
08: No pegasus trio sadly, only Ingrid is the most canonic-like pegasus knight in Three Houses
Rudolf Archetype
07: Edelgard and kinda Rhea
Cain & Abel Archetype
06: Sylvain & Felix or Catherine & Shamir
Maria Archetype
05: Flayn, this mint gum heals me with love
Navarre Archetype
04: Felix like he looks the part
Oifey Archetype
03: Dedue, seriously he's so good even though he comes back halfway in Azure Moon
Camus Archetype
02: It depends on each house I guess. I think any student that you didn't recruit
Minerva Archetype
01: Edelgard (if you play Black Eagles)
Personally, the Camus archetype is my favourite. I can't help but have a ton of respect for these types of villains, as they clearly have a good heart, but they still fight on because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. So whenever I have to kill them, I do feel pretty bad since I really don't want to, and that personally makes them all the more respectable for me.
Nice video. The Maria archetype never personally stood out to me, mainly because Maria herself never stood out to me and I just don't associate the other characters with the Maria archetype. I have to say I am surprised no one has mentioned the Merric archetype. It has a basic template of the wind mage, but it has given us characters like Boey and Soren.
Oscar has always interested me because he technically fills two archetypal roles. He is both the Abel, and the Oldest Pegasus sibling. A lot of people never consider it since they're not the same classes as each other or even Pegasus classes, but Oscar, Boyd, and Rolf are the sibling trio archetype. Though I would probably switch Boyd and Rolf for personality roles, since Rolf is a lot quicker to stress and very timid, and Boyd's pretty. . . Exuberant.
I also found your use of Lukas and Forsyth as a Cain/Able example reslly interesting, since Lukas is the kindhearted and calm, but simultaneously cold and calculating one, and Forsyth is the exuberant and boisterous one with grandiose dreams of becoming a knight. Esoecially since both Lukas and Python play similar roles when playing off of Forsyth. I also like how Celica has her own set in Mae and Boey.
I find it hard to distinguish between Lena and Maria, it feels like Lena is the missing Macedonian royal sibling because of how near identical they are. Maria doesn't feel like the snobby prissy type to me, same goes for Elise the cinnabun roll. I find it interesting that in FE6&7 the starting Clerics and Troubadours have their personalities swapped. Serra becomes the snobby (but still hilarious) one while Priscilla is the sweetheart, in contrast to Elen and Clarine.
I started with Fates, so when I see that Kaze and Saizo being part of the archetype named after the Biblical siblings I initially assumed that ALL Cains and Abels are brothers. Then again most of them have a brother-like relationship anyways (Cain and Abel, Sain and Kent).
Really dig Camus and wished that he serves as an archrival to Marth of sorts, though he's pretty close. His coolness is probably what saved him from "death" and appear in FE3 and be a good guy, just like Michalis. All while Hardin, a close ally to Marth in FE1 took their role as a prominent villain instead.
Also Finn should be a Jagenoifey in FE5.
I wonder who is older: Tana or Vanessa? But functionally Tana feels like the youngest and hippiest of the FE8 pegasus trio. Speaking of which, Fates has more than enough Pegasus units but none of them fits into the archetype (the all siblings aspect goes out of the window by FE8/9/10). I guess Hinoka can be a Catria and Reina as the Palla, but they don't have the Est pegasus.
Blazingknight, Abel is actually an odd case. Abel is an Abel in one game, but Abel is much more of an Est in FE 3/12 (more 12, since his growths are the same in FE 3). Abel is actually quite interesting (if only I could say that about Cain....)
I just got into the fire emblem games starting with the western gba titles then went into PoR and I'm playing RD. So far the stories in these games didn't seem that impressive to me with PoR being okayish.
I can only imagine how bad awakening's storyline would be to me if I wasn't too fond of some of the "good" storyline games lol. I'm into the fire emblem games for the gameplay anyway.
Roge9 Subscribe for random vids! FE 4 and 5, Shadow Dragon/ Heroes of Light and Shadow, Sacred Stones and Gaiden/Echoes are generally considered better lol. Plus, a lot of character developments comes from the supports as well
Awakening story is pretty interesting, the real bad one is fates, it has a very good story base but the development is forced and there too many plot twists and plot holes
So based on fire emblem 3 houses,
Mercedes is the Maria archetype
Felix is the navarree archetype
The solon and the slither in the dark group is the gharnef archetype
And I guess edelgard is the Rudolf archetype.
And would the death knight be a camus?
I don't really know if this is a FE archetype, but I really like it when a character thinks something like the wyverns or risen are cute. I think Cherche from Awakening has this personality and it's always been a favorite in any game or show I've seen
Even though Xander has crappy writing he will still be one of my favorite fire emblem characters
I agree with the Minerva archetype on the number 1 spot.
You should do videos such as top ten mages or top ten archers. Loves your videos, can’t wait to watch more
I wonder if Python and Sonya would make it to the lists for just their characterization since Python has low skill growth and Sonya's competition can be a dread fighter soon.
Doodlebug Four I think Sonya could potentially make it if he does the list, I think she is a pretty interesting character even if she has deen as her competition.
Great list I enjoy your videos a great deal. One change I would make for the michalis arch type. Valter from 8 would count as well.
Iago doesn't fall into the garnef archetype?
he;s not responsible for the games events
I don't agree that tana is like est. I know that you didn't mean that she was eat archetype, but she doesn't act like a little sister at all and seems much more badass than the other Pegasus riders in the game
she gets captured twice, thats not really badass.
+Extra Hachse: Except she doesn't get captured twice.
She gets captured a second time on Ephraim's Route. But he is right Tana is super optimistic and happy compared to her brother and literally only hopes to be of use to them even just a little which is usually a lot since they have always dominated for my playthroughs.
+League Demi: Last I checked, she never gets captured on Eirika's route, and her getting captured on Ephraim's route is a one-time thing.
So when Eirika arrives near Friela chapter 2 she taken hostage at the keep saying she was waiting on Eirika to arrive. if you continue as Eirika no she doesn't get captured she just chases after you. Since you aren't rushing into enemy territory or so you think.
"No winners, only losers" HOLY SHIT that is deep and hit hard!
I completely agree with your love for the Minerva archetype and the assertion that Jill is the best example of it! Jill is my favorite female Fire Emblem character of all.
You forgot Lloyd and Linus for camus archetype.
Omg i thought i was the only one who liked Sully OAO. (It's not that people hate her, she's just ignored and underrated and her child unit is VERY underrated in my opinion, i officially call Sully "man wife" XD)
Sully is best girl, shes nice, tough a good unit, musuclar, ans has thick lips. Top tier
When I saw the video title in my feed, I thought this might be one of my favorite Blazing Knight videos so far.
I'm not disappointed.
I'm a fan of the Cain/Abel archetype, as well as the Minerva-esque wyvern rider. I'm not sure if it's an archetype per se, but the "third" cavalier who is tankier has also always had a soft spot for me (Lowen, Treck, etc)
Navarre archetype:
*cough cough Lon'qu cough... hack...*
you dont fight him tho
Mariokemon you fight his... khan... okay that is a valid argument, but Harr is a Minerva archetype, yet he is male.
not all Minerva's are female. Cormag and Heath are examples of male ones. Minerva's are dragon riders hailing from the enemy land that join your team. Often having friends and loved ones in the opposing army
in addition, you dont even fight Basilio. You fight Masked Marth
Archetype doesn't restricted on Gender
or are you gonna say Ishtar and Selena is not Camus just because they're woman?
A blazing knight top list without the black knight? This must be fake!
Last time I checked, the Black Knight didn't fall into any archetype.
+MrYugioh5d One could argue he is a Camus, but that's making the definition be too loose
Yeah, Levail fits the bill of being a Camus more. My favorite character, Mia, doesn't really fall into any archetypes either.
CORMAG CORMAG CORMAG CORMAG CORMAG
be in heroes soon pls
also l'arachel
Same, as well as Joshua, Gerik, Tethys, Gilliam, Garcia, Moulder, Natasha, Marisa, Knoll Neimi, Colm, Lute, Artur, and Myrrh.
Is there an archetype of that one enemy unit that fighting them is suicidal
Like the Black Knight, Ryoma, Xander, & the Death Knight
Probably not until recently.
Yay! I love Catria to bits so I’m glad she and her sisters are on the list
Wouldn't Lissa count as a Maria archetype?
No she is a lena which is an earlier healer who is more likely to be a cleric like Elen from fe6, Serra from fe7, natasha from fe8, Sakura from fe14 (birthright, revelation) and Silque from fe2/fe15.
Actually, she's not technically a Lena either. Not every early game cleric is a Lena, the thing is that the Lenas are rescued from danger before being recruited, if I'm not mistaken.
Altena best wyvern rider ❤
Alva and Cain are debatably switchable with Orsin and Halvan, who could be the C&A or the Bord and Cord. They seem more like those Roshea and Vyland Cavaliers that everyone doesn't like. Regardless, I'm always glad to see more content from you in my Subscriptions
Edit: Also, Dagdar could have a go at Oifey, according to most.
Edit2: -Travant did nothing wrong though-
Edit 3: Zeiss capped strength at base in Fe6 last playthrough. Just seeing that made me smile
Now I'm waiting for IS to merge the Cain and Abel and the Bord and Cord archetypes just for one game.
They sorta did in PoR. Boyd and Oscar are essentially Bord & Abel.
Hey, Shadow Dragon has produced awesome archetypes, so don't feel ashamed for giving SD some credit for once. Keep in mind that even if they aren't best THERE, they WILL shine elsewhere (i.e: Zihark and Joshua are better than Navarre, who is still a solid character in my eyes).
I'll have to disagree with Sephiran being a 'power-hungry Sorcerer' type of character. He's not interested in gaining greater power, he's interested in exacting the Goddess' judgement on the world. He's world-weary more than anything, tired of mortals constantly being terrible, awful people, and wants to see it come to a stop - permanently.
He is a great character though, and I was legitimately surprised when he turned out to be one of the antagonists.
EDIT: That phrasing distracted me from some of your further points, so I'll say it seems like you used the wrong turn of phrase there, rather than an incorrect archetype placement.
9:56 I feel stupid for never noticing this one.
Wouldnt xander and ryoma be gotoh there strong scary corrin looks up to them both are quite wise suppose they have to be old mabye
Best lords are Ike and Alm right?
Those two were also not raised in royalty.
Cedric Giyo alm was ok, I like Ike though
Sigurd. Sigurd is the best lord.
All lords are the best lord
PoR ike is easily my favorite lord
They should try to create new archetype, because this almost looks like "lazyness"(even when the story behind the unit is unique).
It would be a grave mistake to think that fire emblem is fine with the same trame other and other again this would potentially lead to issue such as the fed up community of call of.
I always enjoy when they make innovation such as ike not being a lord or hector being a Axe user lord. If they could atleast change the class between some archetypes it would almost be enough
That being said, take my like
It's not really an archetype, but I like Soren as a character and I want him to be an archetype.
He's part of the Merric archetype.
I guess you have a point combat-wise. He's a wind mage. I guess I really just want the personality aspect.
Blazeingknight, while I rezpect your enthusiasm of the topic and the video was nice overall, I noticed a few errors in which characteds are and are not archetypes in certain groups. Reiv is the Ghareph of sacred stones - not Lyon.
20:32 WHERE'S VALTER?! HE WAS A PERFECT FOR THIS ARCHETYPE AND FIT WAY BETTER CAELLACH
(I understand this is your opinion but I really just want conversation about Valter.)
Minerva, in general, is the best!
And ummm... oh yeah, SHE IS THE *ORIGINAL* WYVERN RIDER!!!! All thanks to Minerva that we have that class archetype to begin with.
The archetype Fredrick is might be my favorite if not for basically what ever archetype Ryoma is.
I don't know what archetype I would be. I'm loyal as a dog sometimes even more, I have as blazingknight knows a rather.......Unfortunate past....., and like Fredrick I am always ALWAYS there to support my friends and family sometimes quite literally taking a bullet for them and returning the favor a thousand fold. What archetype would
THAT be blaze?
I'm....not really a fan of the Camus Archetype, gotta say. Some of the characters I like, like Murdock from FE6, but others I found either forgettable, or just plain stupid. Looking at you, Xander. The Minerva Archetype's great, though. They're usually among my best units. Milady from FE6 was a competitor for MVP
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Dude, I'm sure you know this, but... check your spelling. Always. I mean... "Helaing unit"? Helaing ain't no country I've ever heard of.
Bet you can't wait for Minerva in Fire Emblem Warriors, right Blazing Knight?
2:40, no, Lyon's not the Gharnef of FE8. That game's Gharnef is the final boss, Fomortiis.
4:30, Basilio and Flavia aren't Gotohs either. They're too weak. If anything, they're Normahs.
16:08, actually, Oifey's not useful for the entire game, since he does fall behind eventually. Especially since his game has quite a few legendary weapon users on your team, three or four of whom are on mounts. Sothe's not useful for the entirety of FE10 either, due to him permanently sharing the Dawn Brigade's availability, and how poor his weaponry and 3rd tier caps are. Frederick's not useful for the entirety of his game either, as he falls behind as soon as you defeat Gangrel. Jagen, however IS useful for his entire game, and that's thanks to stat boosters in FEs 1 and 3pt1, and forges in FE11. The fact that Jagen's useful all game despite having such low growth rates only proves that growth rates are overrated. Nevertheless, EVERY Jagen is incredibly reliable.
20:10, Sophia's too weak to be an Est. And Coirpre and Charlot are not in a combat class. Also, I'm pretty sure that Tailtyu would count as an Est.
20:50, Ninian's more of a Deirdre or a Celica, considering that she's a Lord love interest with plot importance.
Well. That means Narcian is a scrub, yet again. Defeated by Lilina and Wendy the Badasses, wrecked by Clarine and Rutger in Smash (Yes, Rutger. He was dragged into this by Clarine yet again.), Being belittled on Twitter and now... only an honorable mention. Sucks to be Mr Scrubby Wyvern Lord.
That much... Improve Awakening story that I've been wanting to see for so long since the comment I made about wanting to see that in the Improve Fates vid... missed it by THAT much... FUCK!
... Sigh... oh well, hopefully this means that the next vid will be about that. But seeing the archetype listing is not bad either, so I'll enjoy this as well.
I do agree that it's legit impossible to make fresh new types of characters. Some way or another, they will have characteristics of another. Just like how there's very little possibility for there to be originality in franchises in general. Which you even pointed out.
10) Gharnef:
The most common type of villain in the games. Evil sorcerers are just always there. Sadly, like you placed it, Validar is a failed character. Personally, I would have gone in the case where Validar was someone that was raised to despise the world, where his father made him see only the ugliness of mankind, as the common Grimleal religion believes that Grima is a god that exists to punish humanity when it has reached the height of corruption. Higher ups know that even they will be killed, but embrace death, having a nihilistic view on life.
Anyways, I would be surprised if the Gharnef archetype WASN'T there, since so many Fire Emblem games use that very archetype, so glad that it's there... though you are very correct. It's really old now where it's just repeating the same old thing repeatedly... oh wait, maybe that IS the point of the Gharnef archetype...
9) Gotoh:
I'll be honest, I feel that the case of Ephraim being raised to be this perfect warrior that never loses fights... would be more fitting if he was the Gotoh character from the beginning, rather than a main protag. See, if he was some late game recruit, then I can accept that he would be understandably awesome, but he's the twin brother, main hero, etc. and I just HATE him.
Characters that are praised to be incredibly strong that they can even be considered legends works out perfectly for the Gotoh archetype, which is why I feel Ephraim should have been this archetype instead of the lord one.
8) Pegasus Sisters:
I have begun to notice that the Triangle Attack is slowly being removed. I actually heard that it was possibly intended to be in Awakening, where it would be done with Sumia, Cordelia, and Phila, the latter was probably meant to be recruitable. However, the latter ended up dying, so that was lost. And it makes sense why these three can make it work. Sumia and Cordelia are best friends, and Phila is both Sumia and Cordelia's mentor. The relationship they have would have made sense on how they would be able to use Triangle Attack, and I would have preferred to see how Phila converses with Cordelia and Sumia, and really see how the mentor/student relationship worked out.
7) Rudolf:
You are right. I've noticed that there seems to be a much better use of the Rudolf archetype and much more potential in them than the Gharnef. And it makes sense. Rudolf archetypes are filled with kings and emperors that generally have their own ideals, thinking farther than the general case of the Gharnef archetype and wanting to help the world. Even Ashnard was right in some way. Yeah, he's an asshole and cruel, but his philosophy of hating how people are judged simply by status of their bloodline rather than their own strength is horrible. He is insane, but at the same time, he had the desire to see farther in the future and wanting to see what was beyond the end of the war. Would the world be destroyed by his ambition of reviving the dark god, or would it not? And Garon, while terrible, did have much potential as you graciously pointed out in the Improve Fates video.
Most Gharnef archetype work with selfish reason, with Nergal and Lyon being some exceptions, as even Nergal wanted to use the quintessence for less horrific need, but was corrupted that can be best described by how Ghast Station described it, "Because dark magic is basically like cocaine."
6) Cain and Abel:
It's almost strange how most Cain and Abel archetypes end up being very close friends and sometimes lovers, despite how the name origin has Cain murdering Abel out of jealousy.
Fun fact, I was the one that pushed a case that Mae and Boey also fit the Cain and Abel archetype. Before it was rejected, but I pushed it and eventually I was allowed to put it in because my reasons had solid ground. So Echoes essentially was the first game to use multiple archetypes, which make sense given how you have Alm and Celica's route played separately, so each side have a type of unit that fits an archetype.
5) Maria:
So basically they have to fall under one or two of those categories. All three means they are that archetype. But what you said was interesting about how unlike the many other archetypes previously mentioned, the Maria archetype is actually much more versatile when it comes to personality, which is definitely a positive. Priscilla is also rather tragic as pretty much majority of her supports has her having to break off any relationships with her guy, with only Erk I believe to be the only one that manages to stay with her. It's sad. Especially with Sain as him and Priscilla don't even get a paired ending, but rather their relationship really ends in the A support.
4) Navarre:
... Really? Now you just opened the can of worms that is Ayra/Robin shipping. SOMEONE out there that sees this is probably ALREADY thinking of the possibility!
Anyways, even to this day, people still try to believe that Lon'qu belongs in this archetype, but the issue here is that he never starts as an enemy. I would argue that Lon'qu was your enemy in the original timeline, where he was still Basilio's champion. But because time traveling Lucina ended up booting him from that seat, he ended up being your ally immediately.
3) Oifey:
Well... Oifey is essentially considered a sub-archetype of the Jeigan archetype. The Jeigans that you're referring to are called Pure Jeigans, that are old and have poor stat growths, whereas Oifey archetypes are like Jeigans, but have better growth, though less base stats. Pure Jeigans are poor late game, but Oifey can still retain usability to the endgame.
Interestingly enough, Revelations would put Gunter as a Pure Jeigan archetype, as you get him and keep him early game, but his growths are piss poor.
2) Camus:
Ah, one of my favorite, yet sometimes most tragic archetypes.
Yes, Xander's Camus archetype for Birthright was indeed shitty Fates writing. You have to go watch Ghast Station's Support Science regarding Xander. It's so long that it's a two parter.
Anyways, the point of the Camus archetype is to have a decent human being fight for the wrong side. Their purpose was in fact to invoke the moral grey. Fates failed at that, but the others did succeed.
It REALLY sucks when you realize that Camus survived the battle with Marth, but even then he can never be together with Nyna, because he is now with Tatiana. The curse of Artemis remains.
And the worst part about Eldigan is that you either kill him or you have him return only to be killed. There's NO saving that man...
I won't go over the honorable mentions, though they are very good indeed.
1) Minerva:
Yeah, definitely no complaints there. Despite how Camilla really doesn't strike my fancy, she does have depth in the makings of a woman that likely developed a mental disorder, but you cannot see that depth when she's on about Corrin. I love the characters in this archetype like Jill and Minerva herself. The pain and suffering that they must go through when they must fight their own family is heartbreaking.
So while I was a bit upset over the Awakening vid missing by that much, I enjoyed this video. Can't want to see more of your vids. :D