I don't how you feel about Havertz time at Chelsea, didn't live up to the expectations but saying he did nothing is wild. He gave us a night to never forget in the UCL final, thats something!
He scored an open goal🤣🤣if ederson never touched it that was going out. kante is the reason rudiger block jorginho amazing the whole team did a shift. the guy scored an open goal is that what were gonna give him credit for
God I hope my club are never so insufferable as to not let a player live off a golden goal lol. Literally gave you an Ole Gunnar champions league winner and you don't claim him. Embarrassing fans honestly
Correction: Harry Kane has the most motm awards. But harry kane just surpassed hazard last season with 68 motm awards in 301 matches, meanwhile hazard in just 222 games got 62 motm awards. Hazard is a beast.
That means nothing, the most useless start I've ever heard. Okay, it means something, but not much, because they're a million variables like is that against man city or Norwich? Maybe you njust lose out as motm because there was someone belse JUST better than you a few times, but hazard, as we know was very hot & cold, consistency os far more important
@@kurtsudheim825All these excuses for not winning MOTM but all these apply for Hazard as well so that point was invalid. And Hazard has 45 G/A against the "big 6" so it's very likely that he has won more MOTM awards against Man City than he has against Norwich. Also don't understand where this myth about Hazard being "inconsistent" comes from. He made the Premier League TOTS in 4 out of the 7 seasons he played and the only seasons he didn't make were: 1. 2015-16 where he was carrying a back injury and was taking injections just to play (and also played like shit often tbf) 2. 2017-18 where he still had 12 goals + 4 assists and still led a shit team to an FA Cup 3. 2018-19 where he got 16 goals + 15 assists and led the league in every attacking metric except goals. Inconsistency where? I'm not even gonna mention the fact that he has more league titles in the same amount of years despite having worse teammates.
Haha just kids following each others opinions. As you get older you learn to not be swayed by others. I think you'd find mature Chelsea fans have different views to potentially the pool chosen here
not only did that City team get 100 points (which had never been done) but the following season they also got a domestic quadruple (which also had never been done.) absolutely ridiculous and imo is easily the best PL team ever
@@Gldi8r that was a crazy team cus Drogba as a forward was willing to defend for 89 minutes and yet could nick 2 goals. Makelele crazy. Defence of Cole Terry Carvalho Cech but we were weak at RB. City on the other hand are weak at CB and have to concede a lot of tactical fouls. 05- Frank would murder them.
Salah is clear of Hazard as a neutral. Arsenal fans are impossible to shut up, even when they are terrible, so i cannot imagine how bad Arsenal fans would be if they actually ever manage to win the PL again.
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard. Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers' but it is because of VERY different career paths at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE. unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players. In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017. Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all. Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic. salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM. In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY? Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras. 18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out. regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout. Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence. So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet. Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea). The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great) at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence) Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation. same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi. the levels and timing is crazy at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything. If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
go look at havertz's stats for his 3 seasons at Chelsea. Theyre poor. Also, you can make an argument that kante won us that ucl, up until the final havertz barely contributed, tbh ziyech and werner did more. Also the goal he scored, was thanks to werner and mounts pure awareness. Mount passed through all that space because werner made a run to the other end, so that walker chased him leaving dias having to spend time thinking wether to intercept the pass or chase after havertz. Tbh havertz wasn't even top 3 chelsea players that match, the top 3 were rudiger, kante and reece james. Stop thinking havertz made chelsea because of one goal, although I will admit the fact that havertz pulled through for us numerous times, such as finals like the ucl final, assisting ziyech in the super cup final, scoring the winning penalty vs palmeiras in the CWC final, as well as winning us the 3 points in numerous games in the league and the Champions league (www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/special-kai-havertzs-winning-goals-for-the-blues). Yes he did do things for us but he wasn't so consistent. Havertz plays well when he has to, when he's under pressure. HOWEVER he wasn't great for us, there were numerous of times he failed to execute chances. So I agree that these chelsea fans are just saying this because he left for arsenal but with ur logic, Juliano belleti did much for barca just because he scored the goal in the ucl final (2006) despite the fact his career at barca was terrible, one goal in a big games shouldn't make the players overall career at a club amazing or whatever.
@stayfinessin he was part of the reason we won yes, just like the defence was and the midfield was. If one part wasn't playing their role we wouldn't have won. So yes without havertz we wouldn't have won the UCL. Happy?
*To the owner of this channel* Please take advantage of these current VAR issues to make a video with different fans from different clubs (possibly the big 6 fans), on thier stance on the current VAR calls and other negative issues in football. *It'd be a social experiment, but also fun to watch*
3-4 years ago I would say Hazard is way better than Salah. But time and time again Salah proves his worth and still going very strong at the age of 31 while Hazard already retired. I respect his longevity and consistency. It is very tough for me to pick now between them
That’s true but at the age of 18 Hazard was captaining Lille to the win league whilst being the best player in the league. Salah at 18 was still in Egypt. It took salah till the age of 25 too hit the elite level.
As a Chelsea fan what a blame. How could that “fans” say so bad words about King Kai. He won us UCL, he was our big game player, scored to Liverpool, City, Madrid, Newcastle, Dortmund and was always good with big teams.
That Salah/Hazard question - Salah has been incredible for Liverpool and his goal scoring record is ridiculous, but he's never had the same one man army aura about him like Hazard did. He more often than not single handedly won us games, whether that was a goal or just roasting a defence to lay off an assist. Henry was the best footballer this league has seen, but Hazard is arguably the most exciting player to grace the league.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo Based on what? You think Salah has a bigger influence on Liverpool than Hazard did for us? 😂 The struggles we've been going through over the last couple years is exactly what Hazard was near single handedly preventing from happening several years prior. We were dreadful under Sarri but remained competitive literally because of Hazard. Salah doesn't have that kind of influencr over Liverpool.
@@BluesFanUK_ Salah has been consistently putting more goals and assist in 6 years, hazard had 2 off seasons in he's prime. Salah at times was looking like the best player in the world. Salah has 4 top 10 ballon dor finish, hazard 1.
Chelsea fans have extremely short memories, this is why football players don’t care about loyalty to the clubs or fans these days, if havertz did nothing else but win us the UCL then he was well worth it because we weren’t all that
This is what people say “credits where its due”. Yeah thank you for scoring that open goal, but in everything else he’s been shit. Look at Man City players, they don’t need loyalty, they play for the money, but they still play the best they can because of professionalism. “Loyalty to the club” means shit if you are shit.
@@desmonddessy6699 no, I prefer he did more than just scoring the UCL goal. You can’t just keep on reminiscing that one goal forever, move on already. What about other games after that? Is he allowed to do bad the next season just because he score the winner for UCL?
2nd question - did they forget how liverpool managed to coutinho to barca for £142mill? And how they sold torres to chelsea for £50mill? Short memories
@@Magicmattattack Pretty much the same? He gives our squad more options and is our top scorer in an attack that doesn't really focus on the striker. For almost half the price of caicedo. Caicedo has massively improved and is solid now. Nowhere near worth that price tag though. I dont think rice was worth 100+mil and I dont think Caicedo is as good as him so do with that info what you will lmao.
@@Magicmattattack More successful club than Chelsea historically, its not close. Currently a better team than Chelsea. Chelsea fans are insufferable lmao. You had one good era when you had infinite money and Mourinho. Good job.
As much as I loved Hazard I think in terms of "better for" I think if you don't have Salah in that Liverpool team they're just a top 6 side not doing anything else, maybe they win a cup but nothing major and definitely not hitting 90 points in consecutive seasons. Chelsea without Hazard in Sarri's season would have been just another top 6 side but the rest of the time even with an average winger they'd have still been up there doing what they did because there was always a raft of top players and managers creating what happened there alongside Hazard.
Really don't see this argument to be honest. Salah is obviously like the primary outlet for liverpool, an elite inside forward - but that is a much more replaceable profile, there's a handful of elite wingers who could match that output if they filled out an IF role like that in terms of 1v1 dribbling, finishing/positioning and final third decision-making. Players like Bale, Mane, Mbappe, Robben, Sane, prime Sterling would be able to replace Salah without relegating Liverpool too significantly. Consequently, players who could match Hazard's profile at Chelsea are probably strictly limited to Neymar and Messi. 2014/15 Chelsea had basically no world-class ball carriers, let alone someone who's arguably T3 all time. Same as 16/17, and 18/19 That kind of elite ball-carrying is far more important to Chelsea, than Salah's final third output is to Liverpool.
@@maizemonker20 You don't see the argument because your making a profile based one rather than a whole picture one. Salah and Hazard are top level players where only they and 1-2 other players in world football could do what they do at the time they done it, hence why they have the records they do and others don't. so talking about other players in world football, none of them have done what Salah and Hazard done for teams like Chelsea and Liverpool when Chelsea were starting their downturn in consistency and Liverpool were still building up with bargain buys. So if you take those players out of those teams they don't get replaced with people like Bale, Neymar etc they'd be replaced by players like Willian and Curtis Jones lol. When that's the case, if you take Salah and his numbers out of Liverpool and replace him with a same profile player but obviously not Salah's ability you'll get 15-20 goal contributions out of them at best, Salah's hitting double that up at 35-40 each season, that's a massive increase in output that puts Liverpool up there competiting for multiple comps and winning comps. Hazard who again is the only person who can do what he does and had his seasons being crazy good, if you take him out the team and replace him with a similar profile but not his level, because Chelsea as a unit are generally a high level even if that winger was scoring 15-20 goals the rest of the team would pick up where Chelsea wouldn't of been playing "pass the ball to Hazard and hope he wins the game everytime" so they would have a lesser match winner but a better system. Proof of that being that Hazard under Sarri had his best season and scored 50% of Chelsea's goals...the next season Chelsea scored more goals in all comps without Hazard than with him, you take Salah out of Liverpool when he's still a part of that system, nobody is picking up 40 goal contributions per season like he does and Liverpool will sink a level without him, without Hazard Chelsea maintained.
I’d strongly argue the 2 titles wouldn’t have been won without him and don’t know who would be his replacement A good portion of the Jose win was Hazard drawing penalties and us winning 2-1 or 1-0. Conte winning in 16/17 was more of a team effort but not as much 17/18 where we also relied on him Though yes I agree salah was still better
@@danielalbo4994 At the time we were linked with Hulk, Modric, Pato, Falcao, we just sent KDB off which might not have happened if we needed him as a body if Hazard wasn't brought, potentially keep Sturridge rather than him going to Liverpool where he had those 2-3 crazy years annnnd the big big one Neymar too. So would have been interesting who we'd of gone for and got if Hazard wasn't brought and what those players careers would have looked like if they came to Chelsea at this point in time, which is the point I made, without Hazard there would have been another big name that might not have been as influential as Hazard but would have done decent enough to not be too missed and still won what we won in reality, Salah wasn't even brought to be "the guy" let alone years of being basically the best winger in Europe.
As a lifelong chelsea fan, havertz scored in the CL final. 65 mil is a good deal for us. That is an intangible for any team looking to buy a player. Respect him, even if we struggled with him at the end.
As a chelsea fan i agree the players should continue playing games at Stamford bridge while a new stadium with a capacity of more than 60k is being constructed.
I completely agree. Yes he was not that good at chelsea icl he won us 2 trophies that Arsenal have never won in their history. Will always respect him for that. Idk why our fans hate him
Salah has the numbers Salah tracks back Salah had the longevity Salah has the consistent Salah didn't come back fat Salah wants to win Salah isn't injury prone Salah didn't drop off because Klopp annoyed him for whatever reason Salah isn't the stereotype who has had it easy from youth days Salah has come up against the full force of 115 charges side led by Pep Salah didn't walk into a UCL winning team I don't mind someone saying Hazard was more naturally talented or aesthetically pleasing, but the rest Salah has. And for those dissing Salah on tech, have you seen his goals vs prime Man City and then Watford? Stop playing Salah'a technical ability down.
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard. Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers' but it is because of VERY different career paths at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE. unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players. In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017. Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all. Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic. salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM. In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY? Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras. 18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out. regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout. Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence. So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet. Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea). The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great) at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence) Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation. same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi. the levels and timing is crazy at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything. If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
@@Nacholini17-z9b As a Chelsea fan, I’ve seen this Hazard vs Salah debate a lot and your comment is amazing because you have highlighted so many important points and misconceptions. 1. The difference in position. Hazard was the main man who dropped deep to get on the ball whereas Salah is a RF making runs in behind, especially on the counter attack. Of course, this will lead to Salah getting more G/A. But, Hazard was more instrumental to Chelsea. 2. Who don’t more people realise that Hazard is only 1 year older than Salah? They are essentially the same age. So, people talk about the longevity of Salah but where was Salah from 2009-2017, where Hazard was balling out, winning 2 PLs, winning PL player of the years, carrying Chelsea. Salah’s career only really took off in his late 20s. 3. In terms of style, Hazard is unique. You are 10 times more likely to find another Salah (clinical goal-scorer with pace) than another Hazard (messi-like dribbles and play-making ability). I genuinely believe that Hazard could have been converted into a RF in a Klopp system and be as good if not better than Salah. However, Salah could not be as good as Hazard is the Hazard-role.
Kieran Trippier is the best RB in England.A few mistakes this season don't change that.Don't embarrass yourselves.AWB has better 1v1 stats than James .
Funny how goals and assists doesn’t matter with hazard compared to Salah but yet it’s the only reason these same fans think lampard is better than gerrard
As Chelsea fan Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Zidane are better players than Lampard even though he has more goals than them, so we do not judge by goals alone, but Hazard was much talent than Salah except goals as Salah is more poacher and hazard is guy would be man of match dominate play but not score some occasions
Chelsea just drew Treble Winners Man City 4-4 in a thriller of a game. Even if just for that, Poch is 100% staying until next season unless Chelsea somehow drop to relegation spots.
These guys obviously don’t go to games coz we literally sing we hate Tottenham every game. I get what they are saying about Arsenal fans being unbearable but there’s no way the majority of true Chelsea fans want Tottenham to win the league
I'm from Manchester but even I've seen a lot more Arsenal fans here than Spurs ones (they even have a supporters club here and an alright following), although admittedly it's usually for glory hunting back in the 200s or, and I'm not even joking, because KSI supports them. Yep, a few kids in my high school legit started supporting Arsenal because KSI supports them lmao, so now Arsenal have this weird following in Manchester consisting of older glory hunters from 2004 and much younger casual fans who just like them because KSI does. Hey, it's still a lot better than Tottenham though xD
He's going down the list, he'll do man u next I presume, as you do bigger clubs first. Also easier to do with London clubs since its in London, that's why it was arsenal & spurs first. Well, supposedly easier, still plenty non London vlub fans in London, & not because theor dad was from Newcastle or lvpl
1. Havertz contributed way more to Chelsea than these blokes think he did. 2. They are so arrogantly optimistic about their club and somehow being angry at how Arsenal fans act. At least they don’t lose to Brentford at home and then act like they’re in the title race. But other than that they were quite fair and I kind of respect that
You have not watched Havertz play for Chelsea, the man was missing chances left and right, if he didn’t score that one goal where he was 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper in the champions league, man would be working at McDonald’s by now. And keep in mind Werner was way more useful and contributed more than havartz.
Delusional to say Hazard better then Salah. Yes Hazard was the better talent, especially as a young lad but Liverpool didnt win more titles solely because of that op Man shity.
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard. Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers' but it is because of VERY different career paths at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE. unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players. In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017. Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all. Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic. salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM. In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY? Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras. 18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out. regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout. Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence. So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet. Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea). The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great) at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence) Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation. same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi. the levels and timing is crazy at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything. If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
2004-05 was a top team. Maybe top 5 in PL but for me it is between the treble winners of Manchester. 98-99 united or 22-23 city. Rest follow afterwards. And i say this as a Liverpool fan
@ibrahimsiddiqui2623 joe gomez is clear of trent defensively but there's more to football than needing to be completely defensive especially if your a top side, so I understand chelseas mentality
One is washed up and retired at 32 while the other is still competing at the highest level for titles and personal honors while breaking and setting records. I can’t lie Hazard was a great player but Salah is the best winger the league has ever seen. So don’t even compare these two ever again.
Ain’t no way he genuinely believes that hazard was the best player in the 2010s when you have Messi, ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, bale, Benzema, iniesta, Xavi, busqeuts, modric, kroos, Casemiro, dani alves and marcelo.
Re Trent vs James One is a crock who had played under far more defensive managers and set ups for goodness sake. Don't pretend Reeces James is as good in a 4 vs 5 playing as wing back. Put Reece James in Liverpool side, he will be exposed far more. He sure as hell couldn't the inverted role or play CM.
Then why isn’t he being linked as Real Madrid’s first choice for Right Back? And why does Reece get ahead of Trent in the England team when he’s fit? I mean, Trent is absolutely class, don’t get me wrong, I think he’s more adaptable than Reece for instance. However, in that one particular position, Reece is better. We are a much improved team with him in the squad.
@@LukeMcClellandI genuinely believe you guys are just happy to be in the conversation because you guys are that deprived, I mean Salah could be scoring 25-35 goals for the next 3-4 seasons but you guys will still end up saying 'Yeah but Hazards was still better' you guys are trolls that debate ended three seasons ago and you're still clinging on when Hazard literally retired the day he left Chelsea and hasn't shown up since. Look at City fans look how sensible they are they've accepted that Salahs better than Mahrez, why can't you do the same? Instead why don't you guys start Hazard and Mahrez debates? Mahrez is in for a shout there.
The character traits are destined to be different...and Lukaku.It's getting better at AS Roma...and buying a barren striker like Jackson is often a waste of opportunities
I’m a Chelsea fan obviously but the phrasing of the question is not whos better but who was better for their club what salah did for Liverpool is bigger then what hazard did for Chelsea before hazard Chelsea where winners after hazard we where still winners before salah Liverpool hadn’t won a proper trophy for 12 years and then he joins and wins them the prem and ucl not to mention getting them to another 2 finals
How can you say Havertz did nothing for chelsea that's not dope . He won us a CL . He did well , i just think he couldn't adapt last season . He played his football
I watched this last year and didn't know any of these guys... now, I know them and I'm shocked at how supprotive is Lewis of Poch here looooool When was this filmed? It must be early in the 2023-2024 season
Tbf since '03 they started to force and push the rivalry with us to the point where they acc keep talking abt us. Us declining helps their cause too bcuz the biggest club in Ldn is failing while the new kids with money are succeeding
In Regards to the stadium, Chelsea have already bought the Land surrounding the Stadium so we can defo fit a 60K+ stadium there. I don’t wanna leave the bridge at all. It’s the oldest premier league ground
For me, it’s a small club mentality to choose the FA Cup over the CL qualification. The only two trophies that REALLY matter are the PL and the CL so everything you do should be a stepping stone to winning one of them.
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard. Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers' but it is because of VERY different career paths at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE. unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players. In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017. Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all. Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic. salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM. In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY? Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras. 18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out. regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout. Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence. So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet. Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea). The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great) at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence) Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation. same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi. the levels and timing is crazy at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything. If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
Hazard better because he won more is the exact logic i look for to find out how dense someone is, using team achievements, to argue for an individual award, is exactly how martinez won gk of the year. He was nicer to watch, & maybe had more talent, but no way he has a better pl legacy than salad, who is rhe best foreign forward in the pl behind only Henry & sergio imo. I know the q of the defensive title win was asked to get to the arsenal invincible thing, that's why he had to bring it up, & sure fans do go on about it, but he real, if you're club had done it everyone belse would to, because you can't deny its amazing achievement, & probably the second best team the pl has had (though i actual think the man city sode of a year/2 after the centurions was a better team)
That full back shout is diabolical, yes reece james is better at defending than trent and at being a right back, but trent technically is far better, for example if trent played in mdfield no one would compare him as a football player to james because he would be clearly technically better. But even then kyle walker starts for england he is the best right back in the country right now.
Kyle Walker starts for England because he’s a cheat code with his pace and recovery runs. If England needed more creativity then James would easily start. But Walker is too important for when England get the ball turned over and need someone to win the ball back. No one is faster than Walker.
Absolutely shocked. They'd rather move from Stamford Bridge then rebuild. And to top it all, they'd prefer Tottenham to left the Prem than Arsenal. These young Chelsea fans absolutely suck.
@@seannewlands2803If I need to tell you then I'm guessing you are also one of our new breed of fans. It's called football heritage. That pitch is sacred, and if you don't know why, go do some research.
Mate it honestly made me cringe. Last time I checked the song went “we hate Tottenham”. I’d rather arsenal win ten leagues than spurs win one. As for Stamford Bridge, couldn’t care less about capacity honestly, it’s Chelsea’s home. These lot would rather move to some soulless, Mickey Mouse stadium somewhere that’s named after an airline or something, no thanks. What’s funny is I’m pretty sure everyone in this video is older than me so Its not even young fans, I think the Tottenham supporting host just went out of his way to get the strangest supporters about, probably trying to make us look bad.
@mrbronstein isn't that pitch owned by someone else though? Seems a fair reason to want to leave, become your own club with your own stadium. The idea of history and heritage seems like a smart way to keep the business, 04 isn't much history....
"Clear of Trent" was a loaded question😂they're actually closer to each other in terms of ability than ppl will admit imo but tribalism is involved understandably
The fact that one is retired at 31 and the other is still competing for the league title in the hardest league in the world say it all. Salah has won the debate all Chelsea fans know it.
Hazard is an extremely retrospectively overrated footballer. Yes he was great, but in no season at Chelsea did he score more than 20 league goals, and only got more than 30 G/A in one of the 7 seasons he was playing consistently in, hell, he only got 4 GOALS in 2015/16. In Salah's WORST goalscoring season he scored more goals than Hazard's BEST, Hazard's "amazing" last season where he got 31 G/A is an average PL season for Salah. Hazard was always a bit overrated because his dribbling was aesthetically pleasing but since he's retired it's went to the stratosphere. His direct goalscoring threat was nowhere close to Salah's, and Salah at very least matches Hazard's creativity (Salah has better numbers but they were about even in that respect I reckon). Hazard is nowhere close to the all time PL best XI whereas Salah is in it. Put some respect on Salah's name
If Chelsea fans genuinely believe Hazard is better than Salah then why are they hesitent to put him in the Premier leagues all time eleven, but Liverpool fans can with such confidence and hardly no one would say anything because they know it's justified with G/A, trophies, accolades, longevity to back it all up. Yes Ronaldo, Henry and Salah in the all time epl eleven.
I love how their argument for Hazard being better was "Numbers arnt always everything" and then proceed to use numbers through the whole video, like why Havertz was a bad player? Hypocritical
I don't how you feel about Havertz time at Chelsea, didn't live up to the expectations but saying he did nothing is wild. He gave us a night to never forget in the UCL final, thats something!
He scored an open goal🤣🤣if ederson never touched it that was going out. kante is the reason rudiger block jorginho amazing the whole team did a shift. the guy scored an open goal is that what were gonna give him credit for
for that price tag he should be doing a lot more he only stayed longer at chelsea cause of that goal
@@hddh3221he still scored…
God I hope my club are never so insufferable as to not let a player live off a golden goal lol. Literally gave you an Ole Gunnar champions league winner and you don't claim him. Embarrassing fans honestly
😂🤌.... still happy for that transfer
Correction: Harry Kane has the most motm awards. But harry kane just surpassed hazard last season with 68 motm awards in 301 matches, meanwhile hazard in just 222 games got 62 motm awards. Hazard is a beast.
That means nothing, the most useless start I've ever heard. Okay, it means something, but not much, because they're a million variables like is that against man city or Norwich? Maybe you njust lose out as motm because there was someone belse JUST better than you a few times, but hazard, as we know was very hot & cold, consistency os far more important
In all comps hazard has like 90 something tho that’s why
@@kurtsudheim825Hazard had one bad season which was 15/16 lol
@@kurtsudheim825 just sums up ur football knowledge🤡
@@kurtsudheim825All these excuses for not winning MOTM but all these apply for Hazard as well so that point was invalid. And Hazard has 45 G/A against the "big 6" so it's very likely that he has won more MOTM awards against Man City than he has against Norwich.
Also don't understand where this myth about Hazard being "inconsistent" comes from. He made the Premier League TOTS in 4 out of the 7 seasons he played and the only seasons he didn't make were:
1. 2015-16 where he was carrying a back injury and was taking injections just to play (and also played like shit often tbf)
2. 2017-18 where he still had 12 goals + 4 assists and still led a shit team to an FA Cup
3. 2018-19 where he got 16 goals + 15 assists and led the league in every attacking metric except goals. Inconsistency where?
I'm not even gonna mention the fact that he has more league titles in the same amount of years despite having worse teammates.
“Do all Chelsea fans think the same?”
Literally all of them followed the opinions of one person in the group 😂😂😂
Haha just kids following each others opinions. As you get older you learn to not be swayed by others. I think you'd find mature Chelsea fans have different views to potentially the pool chosen here
Literally plastics
@@laksheykumar1991tbf Lewis does go to every single game home and away
@@laksheykumar1991 it ain’t that deep 🤣
@skullxishim does explain the repetitive, mindless chelsea chelsea song though
As a chelsea fan, a lot of the time they were just waffling😂
✊😂
Waffle Fc man
not only did that City team get 100 points (which had never been done) but the following season they also got a domestic quadruple (which also had never been done.) absolutely ridiculous and imo is easily the best PL team ever
Bro the invincibles and treble winning man utd and others too bro
2019 and 18 liverpool were better
2004/05 chelsea would eat this city team alive
@@Gldi8rcity would crush them nostalgia merchants
@@Gldi8r that was a crazy team cus Drogba as a forward was willing to defend for 89 minutes and yet could nick 2 goals. Makelele crazy. Defence of Cole Terry Carvalho Cech but we were weak at RB. City on the other hand are weak at CB and have to concede a lot of tactical fouls.
05- Frank would murder them.
What a show! Great to be on!
Hazards a fat McDonald's employee.
Lewis u need to link up with troopz and that United fan they where acting high and mighty before the cup games
How tall are you?
Salah is clear of Hazard as a neutral.
Arsenal fans are impossible to shut up, even when they are terrible, so i cannot imagine how bad Arsenal fans would be if they actually ever manage to win the PL again.
You sound hurt
you sound like a arsenal fan@@coasters4life388
Well not our fault we've been dead and buried for 19 years
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard.
Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers'
but it is because of VERY different career paths
at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double
at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel
Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE.
unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players.
In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017.
Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all.
Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic.
salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM.
In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY?
Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras.
18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out.
regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout.
Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence.
So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet.
Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea).
The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great)
at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence)
Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation.
same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi.
the levels and timing is crazy
at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat
at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard
People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything.
If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
Is this not a Chelsea vid why you talking about Arsenal fans 😂😂
Havertz won you the CL and you claim he did nothing for you. Chelsea fans in a nutshell.
we conceded 4 goals during that UCL run yet shitvertz won us the UCL, lol.
go look at havertz's stats for his 3 seasons at Chelsea. Theyre poor. Also, you can make an argument that kante won us that ucl, up until the final havertz barely contributed, tbh ziyech and werner did more. Also the goal he scored, was thanks to werner and mounts pure awareness. Mount passed through all that space because werner made a run to the other end, so that walker chased him leaving dias having to spend time thinking wether to intercept the pass or chase after havertz. Tbh havertz wasn't even top 3 chelsea players that match, the top 3 were rudiger, kante and reece james. Stop thinking havertz made chelsea because of one goal, although I will admit the fact that havertz pulled through for us numerous times, such as finals like the ucl final, assisting ziyech in the super cup final, scoring the winning penalty vs palmeiras in the CWC final, as well as winning us the 3 points in numerous games in the league and the Champions league (www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/special-kai-havertzs-winning-goals-for-the-blues). Yes he did do things for us but he wasn't so consistent. Havertz plays well when he has to, when he's under pressure. HOWEVER he wasn't great for us, there were numerous of times he failed to execute chances. So I agree that these chelsea fans are just saying this because he left for arsenal but with ur logic, Juliano belleti did much for barca just because he scored the goal in the ucl final (2006) despite the fact his career at barca was terrible, one goal in a big games shouldn't make the players overall career at a club amazing or whatever.
@stayfinessin he was part of the reason we won yes, just like the defence was and the midfield was. If one part wasn't playing their role we wouldn't have won.
So yes without havertz we wouldn't have won the UCL. Happy?
@@RAY300064he only played 3 matches in the UCl
What did he do after that we're are grateful he scored just like how we're grateful he got that transfer
Lewis walking out the door was so funny😂
Love it! Thank you for having me 🤩
Thanks for coming on the channel 👊🏼
You're mental if you think Hazard was better for Chelsea over Salah for Liverpool - especially consistency & longevity wise 😂
Tbh you are deluded
You think Hazard is better than Salah. The only thing he's got more than Mo is the weight 😂
Loserpool fans are out in numbers.
The Havertz slander is ageing well i see...
2 goals against Chelsea.
His replacement Cole Palmer got more goals than him. Jackson also got more goals. Believe me Chelsea fans really don’t care about that guy
We got a UCL from him, and arsenal got 0 achievements with him. So really we have the last laugh
Havertz is crap please allow it
It really is :)
*To the owner of this channel*
Please take advantage of these current VAR issues to make a video with different fans from different clubs (possibly the big 6 fans), on thier stance on the current VAR calls and other negative issues in football.
*It'd be a social experiment, but also fun to watch*
This >>>>>
Fax
3-4 years ago I would say Hazard is way better than Salah. But time and time again Salah proves his worth and still going very strong at the age of 31 while Hazard already retired. I respect his longevity and consistency. It is very tough for me to pick now between them
Salah is going strong at 31 but also took 18-25 off compared to Hazard
That’s true but at the age of 18 Hazard was captaining Lille to the win league whilst being the best player in the league. Salah at 18 was still in Egypt. It took salah till the age of 25 too hit the elite level.
@@chewey9860and… Hazard was Bout to Fall off at that point.
Soo Salah is better cos he hasn’t retired, but Hazard has retired with 10 more trophies than Salah. This “longevity rhetoric is stupid
@@DeanMoriartitrophies means a little bit but not much that's like saying mustafi is better than ronaldo because he got a wc and not him
As a Chelsea fan what a blame. How could that “fans” say so bad words about King Kai. He won us UCL, he was our big game player, scored to Liverpool, City, Madrid, Newcastle, Dortmund and was always good with big teams.
Pfft. Going for $65m is the most noble thing he did for chelsea
yo apart from the ucl final he was straight up ass.
Please stop, watch game not just highlights
Not always but i do hear your point
Shut up man havertz single handedly cost us countless times let’s not act like he was ever a good footballer
That Salah/Hazard question - Salah has been incredible for Liverpool and his goal scoring record is ridiculous, but he's never had the same one man army aura about him like Hazard did. He more often than not single handedly won us games, whether that was a goal or just roasting a defence to lay off an assist. Henry was the best footballer this league has seen, but Hazard is arguably the most exciting player to grace the league.
Goals an assists or you're shit simple as
Ofc ur a Chelsea fan
Salah clearly better.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo Based on what? You think Salah has a bigger influence on Liverpool than Hazard did for us? 😂 The struggles we've been going through over the last couple years is exactly what Hazard was near single handedly preventing from happening several years prior. We were dreadful under Sarri but remained competitive literally because of Hazard. Salah doesn't have that kind of influencr over Liverpool.
@@BluesFanUK_ Salah has been consistently putting more goals and assist in 6 years, hazard had 2 off seasons in he's prime. Salah at times was looking like the best player in the world. Salah has 4 top 10 ballon dor finish, hazard 1.
Chelsea fans have extremely short memories, this is why football players don’t care about loyalty to the clubs or fans these days, if havertz did nothing else but win us the UCL then he was well worth it because we weren’t all that
This is what people say “credits where its due”. Yeah thank you for scoring that open goal, but in everything else he’s been shit. Look at Man City players, they don’t need loyalty, they play for the money, but they still play the best they can because of professionalism. “Loyalty to the club” means shit if you are shit.
@@debishvebishwish4839 so you prefer havertz missing that UCL goal, then playing like cole Palmer afterwards?
@@desmonddessy6699 no, I prefer he did more than just scoring the UCL goal. You can’t just keep on reminiscing that one goal forever, move on already. What about other games after that? Is he allowed to do bad the next season just because he score the winner for UCL?
@@desmonddessy6699 how sure are you we wouldn't have won by penalties
@@casketpaint397 we could have lost too
2nd question - did they forget how liverpool managed to coutinho to barca for £142mill? And how they sold torres to chelsea for £50mill? Short memories
Coutinho and Torres was cocking in liverpool.Kai did nothinggggg in 3 years
In liverpool terms, imagine selling nabi keita for 65mil
Torres partially won us Champions League and definitely Won us Europa
Hazard for 100m? And he was constantly injured
Torres was worth every penny
So happy here as an arsenal fan watching this lmaoo. Sold havertz for 65m and bought caicedo for 115m. Dead. 3 months all the hindsight it takes lol.
Loool interesting
How do you feel about this comment now?
@@Magicmattattack Pretty much the same? He gives our squad more options and is our top scorer in an attack that doesn't really focus on the striker. For almost half the price of caicedo.
Caicedo has massively improved and is solid now. Nowhere near worth that price tag though. I dont think rice was worth 100+mil and I dont think Caicedo is as good as him so do with that info what you will lmao.
@n0rman908 thats why you lot win nothing coz u accept mediocirty 🤣
@@Magicmattattack More successful club than Chelsea historically, its not close. Currently a better team than Chelsea.
Chelsea fans are insufferable lmao. You had one good era when you had infinite money and Mourinho. Good job.
The collab crossover I was waiting for - George bringing on Chelsea fans. Also come on you Blues! Fingers crossed we can somehow get a result :O
As much as I loved Hazard I think in terms of "better for" I think if you don't have Salah in that Liverpool team they're just a top 6 side not doing anything else, maybe they win a cup but nothing major and definitely not hitting 90 points in consecutive seasons. Chelsea without Hazard in Sarri's season would have been just another top 6 side but the rest of the time even with an average winger they'd have still been up there doing what they did because there was always a raft of top players and managers creating what happened there alongside Hazard.
Really don't see this argument to be honest. Salah is obviously like the primary outlet for liverpool, an elite inside forward - but that is a much more replaceable profile, there's a handful of elite wingers who could match that output if they filled out an IF role like that in terms of 1v1 dribbling, finishing/positioning and final third decision-making. Players like Bale, Mane, Mbappe, Robben, Sane, prime Sterling would be able to replace Salah without relegating Liverpool too significantly.
Consequently, players who could match Hazard's profile at Chelsea are probably strictly limited to Neymar and Messi. 2014/15 Chelsea had basically no world-class ball carriers, let alone someone who's arguably T3 all time.
Same as 16/17, and 18/19
That kind of elite ball-carrying is far more important to Chelsea, than Salah's final third output is to Liverpool.
@@maizemonker20 You don't see the argument because your making a profile based one rather than a whole picture one. Salah and Hazard are top level players where only they and 1-2 other players in world football could do what they do at the time they done it, hence why they have the records they do and others don't. so talking about other players in world football, none of them have done what Salah and Hazard done for teams like Chelsea and Liverpool when Chelsea were starting their downturn in consistency and Liverpool were still building up with bargain buys. So if you take those players out of those teams they don't get replaced with people like Bale, Neymar etc they'd be replaced by players like Willian and Curtis Jones lol. When that's the case, if you take Salah and his numbers out of Liverpool and replace him with a same profile player but obviously not Salah's ability you'll get 15-20 goal contributions out of them at best, Salah's hitting double that up at 35-40 each season, that's a massive increase in output that puts Liverpool up there competiting for multiple comps and winning comps. Hazard who again is the only person who can do what he does and had his seasons being crazy good, if you take him out the team and replace him with a similar profile but not his level, because Chelsea as a unit are generally a high level even if that winger was scoring 15-20 goals the rest of the team would pick up where Chelsea wouldn't of been playing "pass the ball to Hazard and hope he wins the game everytime" so they would have a lesser match winner but a better system. Proof of that being that Hazard under Sarri had his best season and scored 50% of Chelsea's goals...the next season Chelsea scored more goals in all comps without Hazard than with him, you take Salah out of Liverpool when he's still a part of that system, nobody is picking up 40 goal contributions per season like he does and Liverpool will sink a level without him, without Hazard Chelsea maintained.
I’d strongly argue the 2 titles wouldn’t have been won without him and don’t know who would be his replacement
A good portion of the Jose win was Hazard drawing penalties and us winning 2-1 or 1-0. Conte winning in 16/17 was more of a team effort but not as much 17/18 where we also relied on him
Though yes I agree salah was still better
@@danielalbo4994 At the time we were linked with Hulk, Modric, Pato, Falcao, we just sent KDB off which might not have happened if we needed him as a body if Hazard wasn't brought, potentially keep Sturridge rather than him going to Liverpool where he had those 2-3 crazy years annnnd the big big one Neymar too. So would have been interesting who we'd of gone for and got if Hazard wasn't brought and what those players careers would have looked like if they came to Chelsea at this point in time, which is the point I made, without Hazard there would have been another big name that might not have been as influential as Hazard but would have done decent enough to not be too missed and still won what we won in reality, Salah wasn't even brought to be "the guy" let alone years of being basically the best winger in Europe.
Kai Havetz won Chelsea the Champions League. He deserves some respect.
Some, but not much, one goal isn't enough to write everything off
We used to call him " King Kai " ... so disrespectful
Agreed. I will always respect him
How can you say he won us the CL? What about RUDIGER and the rest of the team who were putting their body on the line
Clearly don’t watch him all season . He’s been dog shit every season
As a lifelong chelsea fan, havertz scored in the CL final. 65 mil is a good deal for us. That is an intangible for any team looking to buy a player. Respect him, even if we struggled with him at the end.
Based on the answers alone, you can clearly see that the fear of Arsenal being a major threat again is massive.
Its not about threat is about noise pollution
@@quansahnana499when you have a large social media presence, you are correct it gets loud. That is how things work.
We really are
As a chelsea fan i agree the players should continue playing games at Stamford bridge while a new stadium with a capacity of more than 60k is being constructed.
Havertz won you guys the fricking champions league, as a Real Madrid fan I respect every player that has scored a goal for us in the ucl finally
I completely agree. Yes he was not that good at chelsea icl he won us 2 trophies that Arsenal have never won in their history. Will always respect him for that. Idk why our fans hate him
Hazard and Salah comparison can be silenced in a second by saying:
"LAPMAPRD is a better midfielder than Iniesta or Zidane cause he has more goals "
Lol you are talking about a midfielder there. Plus with your logic Messi is worse than hazard
@@vicneshr8060what are you saying my bro?🤔
Ok but a midfielders main role isn't to score
or Lampard is a better midfielder than Gerrard cause he hase more goals
Salah has the numbers
Salah tracks back
Salah had the longevity
Salah has the consistent
Salah didn't come back fat
Salah wants to win
Salah isn't injury prone
Salah didn't drop off because Klopp annoyed him for whatever reason
Salah isn't the stereotype who has had it easy from youth days
Salah has come up against the full force of 115 charges side led by Pep
Salah didn't walk into a UCL winning team
I don't mind someone saying Hazard was more naturally talented or aesthetically pleasing, but the rest Salah has. And for those dissing Salah on tech, have you seen his goals vs prime Man City and then Watford? Stop playing Salah'a technical ability down.
Brilliant comment completely agree
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard.
Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers'
but it is because of VERY different career paths
at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double
at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel
Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE.
unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players.
In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017.
Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all.
Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic.
salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM.
In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY?
Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras.
18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out.
regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout.
Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence.
So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet.
Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea).
The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great)
at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence)
Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation.
same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi.
the levels and timing is crazy
at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat
at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard
People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything.
If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
@@Nacholini17-z9b
As a Chelsea fan, I’ve seen this Hazard vs Salah debate a lot and your comment is amazing because you have highlighted so many important points and misconceptions.
1. The difference in position. Hazard was the main man who dropped deep to get on the ball whereas Salah is a RF making runs in behind, especially on the counter attack. Of course, this will lead to Salah getting more G/A. But, Hazard was more instrumental to Chelsea.
2. Who don’t more people realise that Hazard is only 1 year older than Salah? They are essentially the same age. So, people talk about the longevity of Salah but where was Salah from 2009-2017, where Hazard was balling out, winning 2 PLs, winning PL player of the years, carrying Chelsea. Salah’s career only really took off in his late 20s.
3. In terms of style, Hazard is unique. You are 10 times more likely to find another Salah (clinical goal-scorer with pace) than another Hazard (messi-like dribbles and play-making ability). I genuinely believe that Hazard could have been converted into a RF in a Klopp system and be as good if not better than Salah. However, Salah could not be as good as Hazard is the Hazard-role.
@@Nacholini17-z9bthank you for the dissertation on why Hazard is the superior player to Salah 🙌🏾
He doesn't win longevity because he started being elite late
Kieran Trippier is the best RB in England.A few mistakes this season don't change that.Don't embarrass yourselves.AWB has better 1v1 stats than James .
Funny how goals and assists doesn’t matter with hazard compared to Salah but yet it’s the only reason these same fans think lampard is better than gerrard
?
Gerrard does everything lampard can but not true the other way around.
As Chelsea fan Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Zidane are better players than Lampard even though he has more goals than them, so we do not judge by goals alone, but Hazard was much talent than Salah except goals as Salah is more poacher and hazard is guy would be man of match dominate play but not score some occasions
Chelsea just drew Treble Winners Man City 4-4 in a thriller of a game. Even if just for that, Poch is 100% staying until next season unless Chelsea somehow drop to relegation spots.
Suprised they gave us Tottenham to win the league considering both sets of fans come together to sing we all hate Tottenham
if it’s you or arsenal I’m sure any fanbase in the top 6 would say spurs
@@5tuttssss471as a United fan, 100% wholeheartedly agree!
These guys obviously don’t go to games coz we literally sing we hate Tottenham every game. I get what they are saying about Arsenal fans being unbearable but there’s no way the majority of true Chelsea fans want Tottenham to win the league
Spurs winning would be like Man City winning 2012, every Pool, Chelsea, hell even an Assna fan would want it over United!
Not rory jennings tho. He hates Tottenham more than he loves Chelsea
The Arsenal hate is extreme, dudes, it is just football. 😂
They just noise pollutants
@@quansahnana499just like what you're doing under comments with same reply😂
poor mentality
Its not REAL hate. It's competitive rivalry
Loved this, thanks for having me on !! 🤩🤩
‘I see a lot more arsenal fans than spurs’ was a common comment by all 4. Goes to show who the biggest club is. Arsenal got London on lock
I'm from Manchester but even I've seen a lot more Arsenal fans here than Spurs ones (they even have a supporters club here and an alright following), although admittedly it's usually for glory hunting back in the 200s or, and I'm not even joking, because KSI supports them. Yep, a few kids in my high school legit started supporting Arsenal because KSI supports them lmao, so now Arsenal have this weird following in Manchester consisting of older glory hunters from 2004 and much younger casual fans who just like them because KSI does. Hey, it's still a lot better than Tottenham though xD
Loving this, try doing it with Newcastle, Villa, West Ham fans etc. Bolton is a shout too, with Thogden, Thogdad, Stunt Pegg etc.
Don’t worry I will gradually work my way round all the clubs 😎
He's going down the list, he'll do man u next I presume, as you do bigger clubs first. Also easier to do with London clubs since its in London, that's why it was arsenal & spurs first. Well, supposedly easier, still plenty non London vlub fans in London, & not because theor dad was from Newcastle or lvpl
southampton plz@@OfficialGeorgeAchillea
hilarious mate hes already done man u, chelsea are the smaller club.😂😂@@kurtsudheim825
1. Havertz contributed way more to Chelsea than these blokes think he did.
2. They are so arrogantly optimistic about their club and somehow being angry at how Arsenal fans act. At least they don’t lose to Brentford at home and then act like they’re in the title race.
But other than that they were quite fair and I kind of respect that
You have not watched Havertz play for Chelsea, the man was missing chances left and right, if he didn’t score that one goal where he was 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper in the champions league, man would be working at McDonald’s by now.
And keep in mind Werner was way more useful and contributed more than havartz.
How is being optimistic about the clubs future, being arrogant? Maybe blindly optimistic could be a label. Trying to find fault where there is none
Wtf did he do😂😂😂
Bro literally look up Havertz misses on RUclips you’ll see how bad he was
Love this type off videos, do it with barca fans🔴🔵
Trip to Spain anyone? 👀
Mature is England, he hadn't even done non London clubs yet, I think it's just him, maybe another 1/2 of his mates helping, it's not copal 90
props to geroge, we asked for a non too 6 club fan video, he delivered
Reece james, availability is the best abilty. if you can never pick him he cant be better.
The guy in the hat and the white are mad. That 04/05 set the records and change the way the bpl is now. Team was the first to go pass 90 pts.
highkey enjoying this series 🤣
Kai havertz is one of the best signing for arsenal
I thought this was going to be asking them separately their thoughts. Not following the person with the strongest opinion.
That one jersey that the lady was wearing brought a lot of memories 😢💙
Should do one with Liverpool and City
I’m staggered they all preferred Arsenal to win the league over Tottenham. Anyone but Tottenham for me in the worst case scenario
Make a Liverpool video with the same conception pls
Delusional to say Hazard better then Salah. Yes Hazard was the better talent, especially as a young lad but Liverpool didnt win more titles solely because of that op Man shity.
Real madrid ucl final was definitely because of city 😂😂😂
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard.
Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers'
but it is because of VERY different career paths
at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double
at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel
Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE.
unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players.
In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017.
Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all.
Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic.
salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM.
In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY?
Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras.
18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out.
regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout.
Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence.
So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet.
Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea).
The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great)
at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence)
Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation.
same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi.
the levels and timing is crazy
at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat
at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard
People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything.
If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
2004-05 was a top team. Maybe top 5 in PL but for me it is between the treble winners of Manchester. 98-99 united or 22-23 city. Rest follow afterwards. And i say this as a Liverpool fan
2004-05
1 loss
15 goals conceded
95 points
Clearly the best side PL ever seen
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Hi from december 2024. Maresca is here and , i can officially say chelsea are BACK
reece james clear of trent and all of them agreeing is the funniest shit ive seen all day 🤣🤣🤣
I do think he's better all round, but that's the key they eluded to, fitness
James made a mockery of Liverpool in the first match he is clear of Trent who can't defend
@ibrahimsiddiqui2623 joe gomez is clear of trent defensively but there's more to football than needing to be completely defensive especially if your a top side, so I understand chelseas mentality
you say in the first game of the season the difference in levels between the two when james is fully fit
They made some ridiculous decisions but a fit RJ is the best in the world.
1:21 Aint no fucking way I just heard that
Deluded right off the bat with the first question jeez
Think we can all agree salah and hazard are two of the greatest wingers the prem has had. Shame hazard went to real and his career got destroyed.
Twitter made me believe Chelsea fans are delusional, it's nice seeing normal chelsea fans.
This is normal?!?!?
U Think this is normal?
This aint normal
wtf even as a Chelsea fan I can say these guys were delusional
Bro all these are delusional and think the same. They're all bots with no ball knowledge.
One is washed up and retired at 32 while the other is still competing at the highest level for titles and personal honors while breaking and setting records. I can’t lie Hazard was a great player but Salah is the best winger the league has ever seen. So don’t even compare these two ever again.
Great concept with some well spoken fans, I love our club 💙
Ain’t no way he genuinely believes that hazard was the best player in the 2010s when you have Messi, ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, bale, Benzema, iniesta, Xavi, busqeuts, modric, kroos, Casemiro, dani alves and marcelo.
he said in the premiership of Course
Re Trent vs James
One is a crock who had played under far more defensive managers and set ups for goodness sake.
Don't pretend Reeces James is as good in a 4 vs 5 playing as wing back.
Put Reece James in Liverpool side, he will be exposed far more. He sure as hell couldn't the inverted role or play CM.
Then why isn’t he being linked as Real Madrid’s first choice for Right Back? And why does Reece get ahead of Trent in the England team when he’s fit? I mean, Trent is absolutely class, don’t get me wrong, I think he’s more adaptable than Reece for instance. However, in that one particular position, Reece is better. We are a much improved team with him in the squad.
@@LukeMcClellandI genuinely believe you guys are just happy to be in the conversation because you guys are that deprived, I mean Salah could be scoring 25-35 goals for the next 3-4 seasons but you guys will still end up saying 'Yeah but Hazards was still better' you guys are trolls that debate ended three seasons ago and you're still clinging on when Hazard literally retired the day he left Chelsea and hasn't shown up since. Look at City fans look how sensible they are they've accepted that Salahs better than Mahrez, why can't you do the same? Instead why don't you guys start Hazard and Mahrez debates? Mahrez is in for a shout there.
The character traits are destined to be different...and Lukaku.It's getting better at AS Roma...and buying a barren striker like Jackson is often a waste of opportunities
bro these lot agreed to everything and there's so many wrong takes
Sheepsea sheepsea sheepsea... make sense now? They can't think for themselves 😂
Lewis swayed all of them in his opinions.
Imagine thinking the standard for GREATEST EVER PL TEAM is to concede the least goals....
I’m a Chelsea fan obviously but the phrasing of the question is not whos better but who was better for their club what salah did for Liverpool is bigger then what hazard did for Chelsea before hazard Chelsea where winners after hazard we where still winners before salah Liverpool hadn’t won a proper trophy for 12 years and then he joins and wins them the prem and ucl not to mention getting them to another 2 finals
How can you say Havertz did nothing for chelsea that's not dope . He won us a CL . He did well , i just think he couldn't adapt last season . He played his football
Arsenal living rent free in them lot heads
I watched this last year and didn't know any of these guys... now, I know them and I'm shocked at how supprotive is Lewis of Poch here looooool
When was this filmed? It must be early in the 2023-2024 season
Chelsea fans are so obsessed with arsenal it's hilarious. This video is about Chelsea but these Chelsea fans keep talking about arsenal 🤣
That is how you perceive it but everything they said about arsenal is true we hate arsenal fans more that spurs fans by quite a lot actually
@@Demi876cause arsenal are a much bigger club
@@coasters4life388 ha sure they are when I see them with a ucl in their trophy cabinet then I'll say that but let's be honest that's unrealistic
@@coasters4life388 obviously but chelsea don't think so by their dum reasons
Tbf since '03 they started to force and push the rivalry with us to the point where they acc keep talking abt us. Us declining helps their cause too bcuz the biggest club in Ldn is failing while the new kids with money are succeeding
In Regards to the stadium,
Chelsea have already bought the Land surrounding the Stadium so we can defo fit a 60K+ stadium there.
I don’t wanna leave the bridge at all.
It’s the oldest premier league ground
Sorry what? Reece James is a better attacker than trent? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Yes
He is
@@chelseafootball397He'a better attacking the buffet alright
For me, it’s a small club mentality to choose the FA Cup over the CL qualification. The only two trophies that REALLY matter are the PL and the CL so everything you do should be a stepping stone to winning one of them.
Better than salah 😭🤣😭🤣😭
If you want to use stats as your logic, then that would make Lampard the best pl cm oat, and better than Gerrard.
Don't get me wrong, RN Salahs is still an output machine whilst in hazard is in retirement 'eating burgers'
but it is because of VERY different career paths
at 19 hazard won Ligue 1 POTY and took Lille to a double
at 19 salah could barely get play time and FC Basel
Chelsea signed both Salah and hazard within a year of each other, Mourinho gave Salah chances and playing time, but Hazard was the starting player playing like a beast, whilst Salah was practically on the bench/reserves and was sent on loan TWICE.
unlike others, I believe salah really began to hit his peak at Roma, Not at Liverpool. But even at that time hazard was still better, the guy got in the 2016/17 UEFA team of the season, despite Chelsea not being in Europe that season and also that team was dominated by Real Madrid players.
In all honesty, it can be argued that Salah's career truly began in 2017.
Salah is an OUTPUT machine but if u think what makes players better than others is just stats, then u surely don't watch football at all.
Hazard literally controlled entire games, he always had to drop back, collect the ball, and work off his magic.
salah on the other hand has always been a RF/RW rather than a RM.
In terms of his dribbling ability, this guy was the next Messi. When players are asked who was their toughest opponent, more seem to say hazard than salah, WHY?
Because as I said, hazard actually had a significant impact on games, and so did Salah but that entire Liverpool squad was world-class. Same for Chelsea but very different eras.
18/19, hazard carried Chelsea, literally carried chelsea. Salah at Liverpool was in a squad that played together for almost 4 years, whilst Hazard saw continuous change season by season, players in and out.
regarding their contributions to their national teams, the hazard is insanely clear, don't get me wrong, Belgium is a far better national team so I wont bring up the 2018 World Cup despite Hazard still winning awards, scoring and assisting, and taking Belgium to the semi-final alongside KDB and lukaku. But based on individual performance and ability, hazard absolutely sweeps Salah, Infact mane did more for his nation than Salah did, in the WC and especially in the AFCON and in the AFCON final, seeing Mane vs salah, where Mane scored the winning pen in the shootout.
Regarding hazards time at Real Madrid, yes it was very poor, but my explanation is 3 things, first the nature of Laliga (physicality), second relations with the manager and third his mental state. Laliga is far more physical than the prem, not only because of the types of players that play, but also refereeing and even things such as the resentment and pure hatred portrayed by the fans. To give you perspective, I will use Casemiro as an example of the difference in the leagues. In Laliga, he never received a straight red card despite spending 9 years at Real Madrid as a defensive and physical CDM, but in the premier league, he recieved 2 straight red cards in his first season at Man United. It shows a massive difference in the tolerance between the leagues, i personally believe everything about laliga is corrupt as hell. So hazard going from the prem to Laliga, playing as a winger, who was used to going 1 on 1 or taking on multiple defenders caused him to get fouled regularly and was never protected by refs, therefore causing him to become more injury prone, which also led to him gaining weight. When ancelotti joined in 2021/22 he implemented a system that favoured vinicius, which allowed him to flourish, after struggling at Madrid for the previous two seasons, therefore he became a starter. That season Madrid went on to win the UCL and Copa del ray, thanks to the link up between Vinicius and Benzema. As a result, hazard got almost 0 playtime since ancelotti didn't rate him, causing a deterioration in the relationship with the manager as well as a massive decline in his confidence.
So before you ramble on about him retiring at 32, eating too many burgers, salah having better stats (despite having more appearances but thats not too relevant) understand that hazard has been better than salah for 11 years consistently, in almost every aspect and facet.
Do you really think salah is going to continue doing what he has been doing since 2018 until 2028, ofc not. Hazard is simply the better PL era winger and also the better winger overall (career at lille and Chelsea).
The fact that at the age of 28, hazard got the big signing to Madrid (IMO when a player moves to Madrid or barca at their peak, it shows they're great)
at around a similar age, salah big move was to Liverpool (nowhere close to Madrid in size and influence)
Real Madrid fans will always slander hazard because he cost them 130 mil euros, but they wont acknowledge the dire and poor state their club was at the time. A team unable to compete in Europe and in my opinion will never reach the grand status they had during the time of the Cristiano era. That same season hazard was signed, they signed others that didn't do so well such as jovic and vinicius (until 2021). The likes of anelka, essien, kaka had 'flopped' at Madrid, but they're still some of the greatest players of our generation.
same for salah, just because he flopped at Chelsea, alongside players like KDB, who would both go on to be IMO the best PL players of the decade (top 3 being 1. Hazard 2. KDB 3. Salah), doesn't mean we should disrespect their overall greatness. I personally still believe salah was top 3 pl winger oat, and that can still change but salah is most likely going to leave Liverpool soon for Saudi.
the levels and timing is crazy
at hazards peak, he was literally being compared with Messi and Ronaldo, with both of the GOATs stating hazard is one of the best oat
at salahs peak, he's being compared to Hazard
People don't acknowledge salah as much as they did hazard because hazard was rated by the best mangers and best players. I do believe tho salah is still disrespected because the guy has better stats than most of the greatest Strikers to grace the prem, let alone wingers. Also the fact he's won 3 golden boots and 1 poty says a lot. But stats dont mean everything.
If you have read up to here, massive respect, I grew up watching football, during the REAL barclays premier league, the PL of the 2010's, and both players are all time greats, both are close friends, and both have a lot in common. But nothing beats the eye test, nothing. I genuinely saw pure magic when i saw hazard play, and im saying this as an arsenal fan.
Hazard better because he won more is the exact logic i look for to find out how dense someone is, using team achievements, to argue for an individual award, is exactly how martinez won gk of the year. He was nicer to watch, & maybe had more talent, but no way he has a better pl legacy than salad, who is rhe best foreign forward in the pl behind only Henry & sergio imo. I know the q of the defensive title win was asked to get to the arsenal invincible thing, that's why he had to bring it up, & sure fans do go on about it, but he real, if you're club had done it everyone belse would to, because you can't deny its amazing achievement, & probably the second best team the pl has had (though i actual think the man city sode of a year/2 after the centurions was a better team)
Chelsea fans, the gift that keeps on giving 😂😂😂
Chelsea can have a new stadium and the Women's team can have Stamford Bridge so we can keep it in the family.
It's funny when they paid £75 joke is on your club tbh 😂😂😂😂
That full back shout is diabolical, yes reece james is better at defending than trent and at being a right back, but trent technically is far better, for example if trent played in mdfield no one would compare him as a football player to james because he would be clearly technically better. But even then kyle walker starts for england he is the best right back in the country right now.
Kyle Walker starts for England because he’s a cheat code with his pace and recovery runs. If England needed more creativity then James would easily start. But Walker is too important for when England get the ball turned over and need someone to win the ball back. No one is faster than Walker.
As a Neutral I agree, Mou's Chelsea is the best team in history of the premier league
Didn't know Nina was this tall,love her football knowledge 💯
Calling Havertz the deal of century for 65 mill when they themselves got 2 100 mill midfielders doing nothing and sitting on 12th is so so hilarious
‘Hazard is the best player of the 2010s’ is a WILD statement when Luis Suarez exists.
I'll take 2nd
how about Messi 🤧
@@michadunski472 he never played in the prem
Absolutely shocked. They'd rather move from Stamford Bridge then rebuild. And to top it all, they'd prefer Tottenham to left the Prem than Arsenal. These young Chelsea fans absolutely suck.
If they move to a alternate location they can have a bigger stadium so what’s wrong?
@@seannewlands2803If I need to tell you then I'm guessing you are also one of our new breed of fans. It's called football heritage. That pitch is sacred, and if you don't know why, go do some research.
Mate it honestly made me cringe. Last time I checked the song went “we hate Tottenham”. I’d rather arsenal win ten leagues than spurs win one. As for Stamford Bridge, couldn’t care less about capacity honestly, it’s Chelsea’s home. These lot would rather move to some soulless, Mickey Mouse stadium somewhere that’s named after an airline or something, no thanks. What’s funny is I’m pretty sure everyone in this video is older than me so Its not even young fans, I think the Tottenham supporting host just went out of his way to get the strangest supporters about, probably trying to make us look bad.
@mrbronstein isn't that pitch owned by someone else though? Seems a fair reason to want to leave, become your own club with your own stadium. The idea of history and heritage seems like a smart way to keep the business, 04 isn't much history....
Yo u need to mark lines for the opinions on the floor. Keep up the great content
Will do in future ones! Some studios can be funny about these things but as videos do well the budget will increase haha
Chelsea 04/05 team is better than invincibles facts also that team knocked out arsenal in UCL when they were ‘invincible’
Do Liverpool, Manchester City, and Newcastle next! Got to have James Redmond too lol
Not surprised Chelsea fans continuesly mention The Arsenal but that's expected when ur the biggest club in the capital
Pahahhaahhaah assnal are dead since 2004
Tchouameni spitting facts
Chelsea fans have got to be some of the most delusional fans out there 😂 close tie with Man utd fans
Arsenal fans are the most deluded
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@@S2000Dannynah deluded they are the same fans saying Ben white is better than James Trent etc
@@seannewlands2803 no one’s ever said that and meant it lol, I will say he did was top 2 RB last season so that’s probably will the hype comes from.
Chelsea fans are actually ok compared to insane Arsenal and Liverpool fand
Those are not proper Chelsea fans. Rory Jennings could join them as well.
Abramovich made this club. Without him this club is mid.
Your mom made you, without your mom you're mid
"Clear of Trent" was a loaded question😂they're actually closer to each other in terms of ability than ppl will admit imo but tribalism is involved understandably
Lol.. keep dreaming.. bro should just be a midfielder.. your first attribute as a rb should be what?
"...but he was misunderstood at chelseaa"😂😂
Thank You!! I take Havertz, don't compare the pen merchant to my boy Kai
The fact that one is retired at 31 and the other is still competing for the league title in the hardest league in the world say it all. Salah has won the debate all Chelsea fans know it.
One hitted his peak way earlier. They are both good . One just started off early .. the other later
Hazard is an extremely retrospectively overrated footballer. Yes he was great, but in no season at Chelsea did he score more than 20 league goals, and only got more than 30 G/A in one of the 7 seasons he was playing consistently in, hell, he only got 4 GOALS in 2015/16. In Salah's WORST goalscoring season he scored more goals than Hazard's BEST, Hazard's "amazing" last season where he got 31 G/A is an average PL season for Salah. Hazard was always a bit overrated because his dribbling was aesthetically pleasing but since he's retired it's went to the stratosphere. His direct goalscoring threat was nowhere close to Salah's, and Salah at very least matches Hazard's creativity (Salah has better numbers but they were about even in that respect I reckon). Hazard is nowhere close to the all time PL best XI whereas Salah is in it. Put some respect on Salah's name
If Chelsea fans genuinely believe Hazard is better than Salah then why are they hesitent to put him in the Premier leagues all time eleven, but Liverpool fans can with such confidence and hardly no one would say anything because they know it's justified with G/A, trophies, accolades, longevity to back it all up. Yes Ronaldo, Henry and Salah in the all time epl eleven.
7 months potter was the manager . How is that patience 🤣
Great series this!
Make “do all England fans think the same” that would be interesting
Na fuck that they aren't proper Chels if they wanna get rid of Stamford Bridge
I love how their argument for Hazard being better was "Numbers arnt always everything" and then proceed to use numbers through the whole video, like why Havertz was a bad player? Hypocritical