3:08 That bear's face in close-up and the monologue etched itself into my brain forever. Herzog: "And what haunts me is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. *I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature.* To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Timothy Treadwell, this bear was a friend, a savior."
Darwin has been telling you guys for decades....but some still believe in "a preferred version of invisible supernatural superbeeing" and other idiotic stone age ideas.
“Here, I differ with Treadwell, he seemed to ignore the fact that in nature there are predators - I believe the common denominator of the universe is not harmony - but chaos, hostility and murder”
@@yannickdellaert1616 I understand that fuckwit! But he paints himself with the same brush of ahprophorism! Animal's don't murder each other! They kill only to survive or because they are sick or their body is lame.
Great film- he was a sweet guy Treadwell and Amy - death is a thief anyway and comes when least expected - his was by a Grizzley others on a military post in foreign lands others in a cancer ward . He loved nature and unfortunately with Amy was swallowed up by it . When shock kicks in you shut down ! God bless them . Some live to tell the tale some don’t .
He wanted it to happen. He set up his campsite literally in the center crossing of three very active bear trails, was about 10 miles away from their feeding site and known stashes, and purposely made it known to the bears that he was in the area. He wanted to get attacked
Had two life changing experiences in one day. I was swimming in the open ocean when a wave pushed me under. I thought for sure I was going to drown but my friend pulled me up. Same day we were swimming back and got separated. I saw a school of fish desperately trying to outrun three huge manta rays not 5 feet below me. All the creatures ignored me. I have never felt so small or unsure about my place in the world since. The only thing that gave any kind of acknowledgement or importance to my existence was my friend who saved me and myself. And that doesn't amount for shit in the face of nature and an uncaring universe. True cosmic horror type shit.
@@Panlover_ thank you. It's is really frighting to know we have sentience for less than a blink of an eye and it will soon be snuffed out. It seems a cruel trick to do to a creature. That we acknowledge each other's existence and experience is the only defense against the void.
A couple of days ago I watched a Carrion Crow repeatedly stabbing the corpse of a rival in the face as his mate wandered around close by. I've seen this type of thing before, and what is always most striking is the casualness of Nature's violence and its amoral attitude to Life.
Violence done by humans is often similar. Not usually the violence humans inflict upon each other. That is almost always accompanied by overwhelming emotions. But most people squat flies and spiders, and eradicate colonies of ants and wasps, without a second thought. They don't lose sleep over killing rats and mice with traps and poison. People who are accustomed to it will break the neck of a chicken or cut the head of a fish, chatting as casually as when they are chopping vegetables. I imagine the experience is in some ways similar for bears. In the sense that they feel strong emotions in their social interactions with other bears, perhaps, in contrast to the indifference towards the animals they kill to eat.
In the face of a random utterly indifferent universe, mankind imagines a loving father figure, who watches over us, looks after and loves us all. And in the face of inevitable death he also imagines a peaceful lovely garden, laden with fruit and friends, in which he can live eternally. He imagines all this will happen but not during his short life. That is firmly entrenched in the cold reality of existence.
"imagines" pretty sure revelations spanning thousands of years across every region of the world implies that it is not ENTIRELY made up. Even then your interpretation is pretty off, especially the father figure thing. I think its funny how athiests living in their mom's basement will conjour up this idea of what the universe is and declare themselves more intelligent than any human being to ever live. To me its just a deep rooted desire to scarf down takis and watch porn all day without having to care about responsibility or consequence
@@krypticunlimited6925 Billions of fools believing in one wrong thing are still fools. Just like how most people used to believe that our planet is flat and we are at the center of the universe.
damn... its almost as if... since the dawn of mankind human beings actually realized this very fact, that being, the ruthless and uncaring outward nature of the reality of life and still managed to find profound answers to give meaning to existence. actually read some classical literature instead of pop science or whatever and maybe one day you can get through your childish ignorant existential crisis
Nature has it's own morality, not one that a man like Treadwell understood, he and his girl paid dearly for it. American native culture understood this, bears were revered but were also seen as a natural force not to be played with. Can't make up your own morality, especially when it relates to nature and it's inhabitants.
It is said that he had a history of drugwhich he got sober from but a common thing was drug addicts has they tend to go from one addiction to another if they don't work on the addiction itself or what's causing the addiction and a lot of it as stemmed from OCD obsessive compulsive disorder leading addicts to compensate by doing other extreme things to achieve that adrenaline rush if you willor to wake up to a super exciting dopamine endorphin surge by dealing with dangerous grizzly bears this is typical extreme addict behavior not pertaining to all but a high number
Anthropomorphizing nature is a very human impulse but it's a mistake. The universe precedes ethics, it precedes social communication. How we choose to inhabit it is up to us, I believe that we should strive to engage in prosocial and altruistic behavior as much as we reasonably can, but we must also learn not to expect any conscious feedback from the universe, nature, existence, whatever you want to call it.
Like Rudyard Kipling maybe writes Just So Stories and The Jungle Book about a boy living with Animals a bear for a friend who would actually have killed him too. He wrote that poem IF for his son also but again his son just died young in the war instead so inspiration and idealism is pretty useless sometimes.
There’s probably records kept by the park service of which animals they encounter frequently, where they were born, their preferences, and what incidents they’re involved with. The only thing on this bear’s record was being tagged and marked.
They point is that you don't know anything about beasts and Nature, as you don't know anything about Ukrainian neo-nasties, but some idealistic people humanize them and endow them of qualities that only exist in their own hearts and fantasies. Life is brutal and you liberals and snow flakes can't accept, and with their denial they make the world a much worse place. The path to Hell is paved of good intentions, said Dante.
I dont agree with there being a lack of thought and reason behind those eyes - bears are incredibly smart curious and personable - but they definitely aint human, and no human will ever be on the same level mentally with a bear. That's the kind of delusional thinking that gets people killed - humanizing what was never human.
Herzog condemns Treadwell for his sentimentally anthropomorphic attitude toward the bears, but by using terms like "fornication" and "murder" to describe bear behaviour, Herzog seems to be guilty of some hostile anthropomorphism of his own. Bears are wild animals. Sometimes they're genuinely friendly, sometimes they're genuinely out to kill you. When they're friendly, it's not because you've entered into some deep community of understanding or bonding with them a la Treadwell. When they're out to kill you, it's not because they're wicked psychopaths a la Herzog. Both these guys needed to get a grip.
Roderick Long I wouldn’t see it as hostility, but the cynicism of seeing the raw temperamental nature of wild animals through the eyes and reasoning of a human. By human standards that’s what it is, and we can only ever be humans just as the bears can only be what they are. But by our very nature we have the potential gift of a higher perspective, seeing things with a breadth and depth a mere wild animal cannot. The difference is that Treadwell was using a false idealization as a means to anaesthetize the pain he feels from living. Whereas Herzog is trying to reconcile his own humanity with a world that is, as is evidenced by Treadwell, fully incompatible with it. Human beings given their higher access to reasoning, perception and emotion are very much handicapped in a world rife with such comparative brutality and indifference to it. That’s what herzog was trying to get across, he just does so in a much more dramatic way as he is still a filmmaker.
@@mysteriousfleas What I love about social media is that you can engage in philosophical discussions about the nature of our world and the life in it with someone named "hahaha benis XDDD"!
You are correct of course but I suspect Herzog would probably agree with you. I think he is speaking more generally, from the human perspective, and in a philosophical, cosmic sense moreso than trying to describe the behaviour of the animals.
i would bet tons of money that Timothy was a complete meth head. he did meth amphetamine daily up there i think. so many of his behaviors show me this....i wish there was a real toxicology report on him, but i am not sure if there was even enuff of him left to test on.
Like Rudyard Kipling maybe writes Just So Stories and The Jungle Book about a boy living with Animals a bear for a friend who would actually have killed him too. He wrote that poem IF for his son also but again his son just died in the war instead so inspiration and idealism is pretty useless sometimes.
3:08 That bear's face in close-up and the monologue etched itself into my brain forever. Herzog: "And what haunts me is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. *I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature.* To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Timothy Treadwell, this bear was a friend, a savior."
This is why the hyper-realistic Lion King was so bad
Who befriends their food, who finds kinship in a cheese burger? treadwell was a fool that died a fool's death...
He wasn’t well. He didn’t deserve to die such a horrific death!!
This was the most revealing scene in the entire documentary. I agree 💯 with you.
Darwin has been telling you guys for decades....but some still believe in "a preferred version of invisible supernatural superbeeing" and other idiotic stone age ideas.
“He seems to hesitate in leaving the last frame of his own film.”
That’s really haunting...
perfectly said by Werner
“This blank stare speaks of only a half-bored interest in food”
Same.
Hey that's me
“Here, I differ with Treadwell, he seemed to ignore the fact that in nature there are predators - I believe the common denominator of the universe is not harmony - but chaos, hostility and murder”
You been watching to much rick and morty.
@@SeanHenderson thats a quote dipshit
yup
@@yannickdellaert1616 I understand that fuckwit! But he paints himself with the same brush of ahprophorism! Animal's don't murder each other! They kill only to survive or because they are sick or their body is lame.
@@SeanHenderson Animals kill even when they aren't hungry, some do it for fun, or practice.
one of the reasons i love herzog he does not shy away from showing that with the beauty of nature comes a brutal and cruel indifference
Great film- he was a sweet guy Treadwell and Amy - death is a thief anyway and comes when least expected - his was by a Grizzley others on a military post in foreign lands others in a cancer ward . He loved nature and unfortunately with Amy was swallowed up by it . When shock kicks in you shut down ! God bless them . Some live to tell the tale some don’t .
@@martinhanley9524 He was a degenerate lunatic, who got this girl killed for no reason
So many great quotes from Werner in this part of the film.
"I love bears, I live for them, I'd die for them."
Wish granted.
"It's the only thing I want to know."
Wish granted.
Died _by_ them.
Treadwell was having serious delusions along with his excessive bear obsession. Very sad he dragged his girlfriend into it with him.
He didn't put a gun to her head, she came along willingly.
@@nagone11 I realize that. And I’m sure she went, against her better judgement. 💔
@@MomCatMeows I'm kind of thinking...she was thinking like him..
He wanted it to happen. He set up his campsite literally in the center crossing of three very active bear trails, was about 10 miles away from their feeding site and known stashes, and purposely made it known to the bears that he was in the area. He wanted to get attacked
@@dogshake I disagree because he brought his girlfriend along. I don't think he wanted her to die too.
All the warning signs were there, telling him to get out, but his fantasy clouded his judgment.
One of the greatest documentaries of all time...
Bear 141 looked hungry. He ate.
Had two life changing experiences in one day. I was swimming in the open ocean when a wave pushed me under. I thought for sure I was going to drown but my friend pulled me up. Same day we were swimming back and got separated. I saw a school of fish desperately trying to outrun three huge manta rays not 5 feet below me. All the creatures ignored me. I have never felt so small or unsure about my place in the world since. The only thing that gave any kind of acknowledgement or importance to my existence was my friend who saved me and myself. And that doesn't amount for shit in the face of nature and an uncaring universe. True cosmic horror type shit.
That's terrifying... If it's any consolation, I acknowledge you, brother.
@@Panlover_ thank you. It's is really frighting to know we have sentience for less than a blink of an eye and it will soon be snuffed out. It seems a cruel trick to do to a creature. That we acknowledge each other's existence and experience is the only defense against the void.
Oi...
Manta Rays are gentle creatures that pose no threat to humans.
Funny you should mention cosmic horror. Always thought Herzog has affinities with HP Lovecraft
great clip, contains the essence of the film.
A couple of days ago I watched a Carrion Crow repeatedly stabbing the corpse of a rival in the face as his mate wandered around close by. I've seen this type of thing before, and what is always most striking is the casualness of Nature's violence and its amoral attitude to Life.
Violence done by humans is often similar.
Not usually the violence humans inflict upon each other. That is almost always accompanied by overwhelming emotions.
But most people squat flies and spiders, and eradicate colonies of ants and wasps, without a second thought. They don't lose sleep over killing rats and mice with traps and poison.
People who are accustomed to it will break the neck of a chicken or cut the head of a fish, chatting as casually as when they are chopping vegetables.
I imagine the experience is in some ways similar for bears. In the sense that they feel strong emotions in their social interactions with other bears, perhaps, in contrast to the indifference towards the animals they kill to eat.
Treadwell seems a bit naive for a guy who spent as much time in the woods as he did.
He was a complete nutjob
Of course the bear has a rich inner life. It knew deep down Tim wanted to be eaten
"The universe is hostile, so impersonal
Devour to survive, so it is
So it's always been"
Pull your head on out your hippie haze and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again
In the face of a random utterly indifferent universe, mankind imagines a loving father figure, who watches over us, looks after and loves us all.
And in the face of inevitable death he also imagines a peaceful lovely garden, laden with fruit and friends, in which he can live eternally.
He imagines all this will happen but not during his short life. That is firmly entrenched in the cold reality of existence.
"imagines" pretty sure revelations spanning thousands of years across every region of the world implies that it is not ENTIRELY made up. Even then your interpretation is pretty off, especially the father figure thing. I think its funny how athiests living in their mom's basement will conjour up this idea of what the universe is and declare themselves more intelligent than any human being to ever live. To me its just a deep rooted desire to scarf down takis and watch porn all day without having to care about responsibility or consequence
@@krypticunlimited6925 revelations of pure imagination
@@krypticunlimited6925 Billions of fools believing in one wrong thing are still fools. Just like how most people used to believe that our planet is flat and we are at the center of the universe.
damn... its almost as if... since the dawn of mankind human beings actually realized this very fact, that being, the ruthless and uncaring outward nature of the reality of life and still managed to find profound answers to give meaning to existence. actually read some classical literature instead of pop science or whatever and maybe one day you can get through your childish ignorant existential crisis
@@krypticunlimited6925 So hollywood Blockbusters are relevations too, because they span across regions and are shared and loved by millions?
Nature is one great feast and he was lower on the food chain
@2:10 ok off topic... but the bear footies are fkn cute >.
Nature has it's own morality, not one that a man like Treadwell understood, he and his girl paid dearly for it. American native culture understood this, bears were revered but were also seen as a natural force not to be played with. Can't make up your own morality, especially when it relates to nature and it's inhabitants.
It is said that he had a history of drugwhich he got sober from but a common thing was drug addicts has they tend to go from one addiction to another if they don't work on the addiction itself or what's causing the addiction and a lot of it as stemmed from OCD obsessive compulsive disorder leading addicts to compensate by doing other extreme things to achieve that adrenaline rush if you willor to wake up to a super exciting dopamine endorphin surge by dealing with dangerous grizzly bears this is typical extreme addict behavior not pertaining to all but a high number
Anthropomorphizing nature is a very human impulse but it's a mistake. The universe precedes ethics, it precedes social communication. How we choose to inhabit it is up to us, I believe that we should strive to engage in prosocial and altruistic behavior as much as we reasonably can, but we must also learn not to expect any conscious feedback from the universe, nature, existence, whatever you want to call it.
Very odd that he would refer to bear sex as “fornication.”
Sunny Smiles Animals dont marry or fornicate; they mate/have sex.
denise noe Id argue they only mate, in the exception of some monkey species that do it for fun.
Laughing now imagining him with accent “And thus have them ready again for fucking”
He uses that word quite often when talking about nature.
Knowing his personality, it's actually not strange at all xD
Like Rudyard Kipling maybe writes Just So Stories and The Jungle Book about a boy living with Animals a bear for a friend who would actually have killed him too. He wrote that poem IF for his son also but again his son just died young in the war instead so inspiration and idealism is pretty useless sometimes.
I can’t believe this film was released
bear 141 is a king!
I said “Oh God” at the same time as the guy on camera
So eery that they probably filmed the beat that later ate them!
You can tell my the bear’s body language that something’s different about this one.
Yea he's hungry
I feel bad for this guy. A beautiful fool. Possibly too good for this world.
A sick degenerate. The nicest thing to say would be a six year old child in a grown man's body
And playing for the Bears and wearing number 141...and the score is: Bears 2, Idiots 0.
I wish we had players like that, then we might beat Green Bay.
Whatever happened to him
1:02
141. ADA. Handicapped
Why are people so judgemental 😢
forsen
He should not be touching those dead bodies. That’s disgusting. And then he touched his face!
Maybe Herzog was wrong all along. Their death was staged and they live happily together in the secret bear society.
lmao
“Bear 141 - that’s all we know of him” - did you wanna know what clubs he belonged to? His Twitter account?
I was thinking the same thing this guy is kinda stupid tbh
There’s probably records kept by the park service of which animals they encounter frequently, where they were born, their preferences, and what incidents they’re involved with. The only thing on this bear’s record was being tagged and marked.
They point is that you don't know anything about beasts and Nature, as you don't know anything about Ukrainian neo-nasties, but some idealistic people humanize them and endow them of qualities that only exist in their own hearts and fantasies. Life is brutal and you liberals and snow flakes can't accept, and with their denial they make the world a much worse place. The path to Hell is paved of good intentions, said Dante.
I dont agree with there being a lack of thought and reason behind those eyes - bears are incredibly smart curious and personable - but they definitely aint human, and no human will ever be on the same level mentally with a bear. That's the kind of delusional thinking that gets people killed - humanizing what was never human.
Herzog condemns Treadwell for his sentimentally anthropomorphic attitude toward the bears, but by using terms like "fornication" and "murder" to describe bear behaviour, Herzog seems to be guilty of some hostile anthropomorphism of his own.
Bears are wild animals. Sometimes they're genuinely friendly, sometimes they're genuinely out to kill you. When they're friendly, it's not because you've entered into some deep community of understanding or bonding with them a la Treadwell. When they're out to kill you, it's not because they're wicked psychopaths a la Herzog. Both these guys needed to get a grip.
Roderick Long I wouldn’t see it as hostility, but the cynicism of seeing the raw temperamental nature of wild animals through the eyes and reasoning of a human. By human standards that’s what it is, and we can only ever be humans just as the bears can only be what they are. But by our very nature we have the potential gift of a higher perspective, seeing things with a breadth and depth a mere wild animal cannot.
The difference is that Treadwell was using a false idealization as a means to anaesthetize the pain he feels from living. Whereas Herzog is trying to reconcile his own humanity with a world that is, as is evidenced by Treadwell, fully incompatible with it. Human beings given their higher access to reasoning, perception and emotion are very much handicapped in a world rife with such comparative brutality and indifference to it.
That’s what herzog was trying to get across, he just does so in a much more dramatic way as he is still a filmmaker.
@@mysteriousfleas Well said.
well shit. i guess that’s why herr herzog lived to be old while this dude is a pile of mangled flesh
@@mysteriousfleas What I love about social media is that you can engage in philosophical discussions about the nature of our world and the life in it with someone named "hahaha benis XDDD"!
You are correct of course but I suspect Herzog would probably agree with you. I think he is speaking more generally, from the human perspective, and in a philosophical, cosmic sense moreso than trying to describe the behaviour of the animals.
i would bet tons of money that Timothy was a complete meth head. he did meth amphetamine daily up there i think. so many of his behaviors show me this....i wish there was a real toxicology report on him, but i am not sure if there was even enuff of him left to test on.
A real Democrat.
Herzog sounds like he didn’t go far in the Boy Scouts. It’s nature, bruh, not death race.
What fact do you think he's unaware of? Everything he said is true.
@@User-bl5cw he makes it seem like nature is a killing machine out to get him. Nature just is and natural consequences follow.
Go outside for me.
You can see that bears are vegetarians, because this time they obviously ate a vegetable
The death audio that's out there has Treadwell's effeminate sounding voice and screams. If it ain't real, close enough
If you ask me all the bears should be exterminated. They are a real danger and useless.
One of the stupidest ideas I've seen on RUclips for days, and I enjoy the cop body cam videos.
Like Rudyard Kipling maybe writes Just So Stories and The Jungle Book about a boy living with Animals a bear for a friend who would actually have killed him too. He wrote that poem IF for his son also but again his son just died in the war instead so inspiration and idealism is pretty useless sometimes.