Snow Shoveling Murder-Suicide | What is Interpersonal Conflict Precipitated Homicide-Suicide?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2021
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the snow shoveling homicide that occurred in Plains, PA in February of 2021? This case involved 47-year-old Jeffrey Spaide, 50-year-old James Goy, and 48-year-old Lisa Goy.
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This is why I never start confrontations, you never know who’s willing to cross that line.
@Comedy Room or anywhere
It’s not a matter of who starts what. You don’t get involved with crazy. These people were dumb enough to poke the bear. While I won’t say they deserved to die, I’m not sympathetic about their fate. They dug their own holes
There's never a winner, just sore losers.
It’s why I don’t shovel snow into someone else’s driveway ( or take a shoveled spot )
@@peterthegreat996
It's why I don't shovel snow. Or mow grass. Or rake leaves. You never know when a crazy might be lurking about. My wife's a trooper though 😉👍
Note to self: do not encourage man that wants to shoot you to shoot you.
LOL good note!!
I had actually heard this tip long ago in a sled defense seminar. I guess Karen isn’t the only idiot who thought real life had movie rules.
Goo goobally gooh.
That's some blanking good advice!
Except you're chronically/terminally ill, mostly in pain and deeply depressed for (blanking) decades anyways, then it's actually a (blanking) great solution.
No (blanking) family member - who actually all don't give a (blank) about you anyways - will have to "regret" your disguised (blanking) suicide in the aftermath and upcoming future, (blank).
Which is the third theory I have in this case, as the wife didn't give a (blank) about surviving the (blanking) shooting anymore, she'd reached her (blanking) limit with that guy as well, I guess.
Only her hubby was a bit worried, that's (blanking) telling to me.
The best way I've heard this situation described is "they didn't get what they deserved but they got what they asked for"
I disagree I believe they got what they deserved. I understand many will disagree and that's okay because justice doesn't follow my view. Nevertheless it is my belief that they pushed this man who if I heard right is a widow and they unnecessarily verbally emotionally pushed and bullied him. Certainly hardly empathic to those who are heartless. Did they ask for it? Yes but if someone "asks" for something then they certainly deserve it in my opinion. Okay with crocodile tails an all that play stupid games. I myself called someone a coward a p word when someone almost ran past a stop sign and almost hit me blamed me but I had right of way and called him all that and challenged him to get out of vehicle and fight me. Instead he almost ran me over a second time but on purpose. I guess I asked for it even though I wasn't in the wrong until arguably I said those things to him when I could have went on my way
@@kevincloud574 we always reap what we sow in due time as the Bible says
@@kevincloud574 😊cvv v ç😊ç Drr😊
@@frankrizzo5129 Go see a doctor your having a stroke
@@kevincloud574 Dude, you can't unload bullets into people because they say meanie weanie things about you. The best reaction is to either ignore or call police if the harassment doesn't stop.
Here in Metairie (suburb of New Orleans) we had a case where a guy in his 50's was a bully to his older neighbor. The older neighbor was backing his truck out his driveway with window down and bully neighbor sprayed water from his hose in the guy's face. Older guy then pulled out a gun and shot the bully to death. Lesson of this story: never bring a garden hose to a gunfight
Sorry, but that made me LOL
Ah, so the bully guy committed a classic example of "spray and pray"
He sprayed the older guy and then had to pray for an ability to turn back time.
All the snow melted
Fucked around and found out lol
“Big Lee” asked him to roll down his window so he could talk to him, then Big Lee spreader him in the face with the hose. “Big Lee” was a big A-hole.
Just a (blanking) reminder, he's not (blanking) diagnosing anyone, just (blanking) speculating what the (blank) could be going on in a (blanking) situation like this
🤣🤣🤣
That’s how it’d sound if my vulgar butt was making these videos!
(Blank) you 😅
I was looking for a witty comment here, but I drew a blank.
(blank) yeah!!
If someone goes in their house or to their car in the middle of an argument, expect some heat. If you don't have a weapon, you need to be running. Maybe because I'm from Memphis 🤔.
Truth
@@humanipulationnation what does skin color have to do with the situation🤔
My thoughts exactly, and I'm from Philly lol
No street smarts.
@@humanipulationnation
I guess you haven't watched the ID channel....
I work in law enforcement and you would be shocked at the amount of middle aged people who fight and argue with their neighbors over ridiculous things. They also do pety things to one another like dump leafs or grass clippings on each other's lawns. It blows my mind. I feel like bickering children act more rationally.
its because we are raising a nation of grown up children that dont believe they are 100% responsible for their own actions.... there is always something someone else said or did that is the reason behind their own behavior.
@@xisotopex You hit the nail in the head there. As a child I saw parents from time to time go to Teacher and Principal to argue about a bad grade there child was getting or because their child was getting suspended from school. The attitude from these parents was "not my child." And yet everyone in school knew how bad their kid was. Pretty soon, if were not there already, we're going to have a pandemic of people with narcissistic behavior and our country will become a ticking time bomb.
@@DagDebrini I dont know if narcisstic personality disorder is nature or nurture or maybe both but I think you are correct.
It's usually white people who act like this. I live in a very diverse neighborhood and noone ever behaves like those people even if anyone crosses them. They are growing up very entitled and behave as if they own the world
I know a guy that thinks it's funny to turn off his car engine a few doors up from my towns Police sergeants house & he then let's the hand brake off & rolls his car quietly up to his house & then he opens the passenger door & leaves empty beer bottles & garbage all over the Police sergeants front lawn & then drives off & laughs about it....What a douchebag
Apparently Spade's wife passed away only weeks prior and the neighbours bullied her too. I couldn't imagine my neighbours who I already disliked making fun of me at my lowest point.
Yep. James and Lisa Goy are in hell for sure.
He wasn't married!
@@barneyronnieyup he wasnt.
There are real cases where homeowners have to actually moved out of their HOMES just to get away from horrible neighbors.
And usually it’s the right thing to do because there is literally nothing else you can do with out an escalation
What a nightmare 😑
I did that very recently. My previous neighbors left their dogs in inclement weather and the dogs barked almost 24/7. The police told me not much can be done so I moved.
We almost had to move because of Horrible neighbors. But they both died of natural causes within a year of each other. True story. Our new neighbors don't even make a peep. Love it.
There are two houses in this neighborhood that will be on the market soon, cheap.
A little info for you about this case.
1. The shooter had lost his mother to cancer 2 weeks prior. He had received a hardship discharge from the navy. In order to care for his mother.
2. He had no one left in his family. His brother was killed in Afghanistan in 2013. So only his mother was left in his family.
3. The two victims were shoveling snow on his sidewalk the whole winter. They had done this to his mother in prior winters. She was 78 and had to clean up the snow from her sidewalk by herself.
4. When he first called the victim a scumbag. He was cleaning his back walkway. As he returned to the front he seen that they had pushed the snoe from their parking spaces. Onto his sidewalk that he had just cleaned off.
5. The police were called on the couple multiple times over the years by his mother and others. The police did nothing because they say that no laws had been broken.
All in all this whole situation is sad. Three people died a senseless death because people don't realize when to back off. That couple knew what they were doing was wrong. But continued to push a person over that edge. When the gun came out you should know to keep your mouth shut and descalate the situation. That is not a time to try and be a tough guy or girl.
I'm against capital punishment - it's a moral viewpoint even tho I understand why people think it's ok...
... but my heart is more with the shooter in this situation. This all should have been dealt with much sooner.
Rip to JS. Of course the Goys didn't deserve to die, but it's tough to imagine them as innocent.
This explains a lot. Spaide was way past his limits and what the Goys did just pushed him past the point of no return. It's an absolute tragedy.
Thanks for that I couldn't find any additional information on this case...
Kind of seems like they went out of their way to antagonize this man.
@@mortalclown3812capital punishment is justified only for premeditated murder
I thought he lost his wife not his mother?
Those people were BULLIES flat out. The wife was a trouble maker and used her husband to back her up. This is a lesson to treat people how you want to be treated. They learned the hard way. This will continue to happen because people get tired of being victims and snap one day. I was always taught there is always someone bigger and badder than you. The husband didn't believe that until it happened.
She was a piece of garbage right up to the moment she died really amazing
The wife is like a Stephen King character. She seems like she would kick puppies and harass Nettie Cobb.
@@richdarvis1051 lol really, being shot a few times she kept egging him on, apparently reality never entered her mind.
@@ambientblue-eyedmonkey8849
Just lead/brass 🤷🏻♂️
“HELP!!! I’m a VICTIM of snow shoveling!!!!”
James and Lisa Goy committed suicide by neighbor by the way they constantly came after him. They were neighborhood bullies and still continued to egg the guy on despite him being approached by a man with a locked firearm and even as he shot at them where the first four bullets missed and yet they were still going after a vet with PTSD. The woman was still going forward with her phone and still egging him on.
"Not exactly an intellectually stimulating conversation", Dr Grande, you have a gift for understatement.
Deciphering the meaning of all the “blanks” became quite mentally stimulating at a point though.
the dirty harry comment had me laughing so hard I had to pause the video lol
@@gfx2943 I know, right?!
@@blackwindsignomancy8429 Not really if you're used to cursing.
You’re the best “blanking” Dr. on RUclips by a “blanking” mile!
🂮🂾🃎🃞 right, PJE, he is!
That’s Blanking True ❤️
Ppssst.........is the keyword fuck?
@@joshuabean9409 psst... fucking is the key word 😂
Hahaha, yes he blanking is
I heard from one of their neighbors that the two were trouble makers in the neighborhood. And one even said that he was glad that they are gone.
many said they were shocked but glad they are gone. i read the back story on the web. the druggies were run outta town
@@ZeeboLaywicker where on the web?
Ouch!
There is a couple such as these in my neighborhood. They prevent people from enjoying their own property. The realtor warned me of this couple and I told him I can ignore foolishness. They tried to take me on once. I ignored them and they moved on. Several neighbors have sold their homes because of this couple. Just two incredibly unhappy people trying to drag others down with them.
Their day will come if they don’t repent
I accept payment to take care of bullies.
Join the local flaming arrow society...they just moved.
Every neighborhood has one
“She was using non-homicidal rules playing a homicidal game” 🙌 perfect ☺️👌
Or, she brought a cellphone to a gunfight.
@@hunpo1 the Batman said that?
Yes, that was a great statement too!
I somehow prefer the latter sentence: she assumed he's rational and future-oriented. 👍
@@ChubbieVickie definitely a next runner up or a tie! 😙👌
The way the woman behaved was surreal. It's like she was completely detached from the reality of the situation. Someone is pointing a loaded gun at you, and you whip out a cell phone and start daring them to shoot? I wouldn't be surprised if she was a psychopath herself.
Please see my comment above.
Nah, just stupid.
Bullies like this have probably been called out by a few people in their life only to get the person to back down because a normal person won't ultimately go all the way. So she thought this would be the same couldn't believe the bluff has finally been called.
He shot at them 5 times before hitting them and they barely even reacted That’s the shocking thing to me
@@danielmccoy8553 Yup, I completely agree. It's like: "The turkey fully expected to be fed tomorrow just like every day but tomorrow was Thanksgiving."
They promised to make his life a living hell and he decided to just speed up the process and meet them there.
Can you imagine? Is there any snow in hell?
@@catalhuyuk7 snow if it's Norse Hel or the 9th circle of Dante's Inferno where Satans wings forever encase the layer with ice
Deep!
How ironic if all 3 suddenly came to, trapped together for eternity in the most nightmarish place imaginable.
If hell exist those 2 are the only ones there.
The way the couple acted as they died was very telling all on its own.
The wife was literelly talking smack right up till the last round. I feel they were more unhinged than the shooter
@@chemicalbrucey157 The Karen got what she asked for and most probably what she deserved!
@@chemicalbrucey157 They're definitely not more unhinged than the shooter but they're near there for sure. Obviously the Goys were messed up but they never escalated to violence.
I noticed that the husband ran, didn't bother protecting his wife at all 😆.
I kinda give the wife credit. She didn't beg for her life in her last moments and actually tells him to F himself. Pretty badass. Rip
When you bring a cell phone to a gun fight.
LOL!! 😂
Right! 🤣💪
Great analogy!
And I watched the full vid, she was calling out to Siri before finally being immobolized with the fatal shot
I think James was what I like to call a keyboard warrior
I read somewhere that the couple bullied everyone in the neighborhood. They had bullied this man numerous times, apparently, and why they went to the trouble to take snow from their driveway and go all the way across the street to his is beyond me. They'd done it the week before, as well. The man was known to be timid and lonely. I can understand what drove him to this act since it seemed as if he had nothing to lose. It must have been very satisfying for him in the moment, but it's tragic that he lost his life over this. I don't feel sorry for the couple.
It sounds like they (blanked) around and found out.
And the ass*ole couple antagonised him and brought this on despite not only being parents (bad example and inviting danger) but he was home and upstairs when all this happened. Luckily the guy had no interest in hurting the boy (nor the two teens who showed up at the scene, when he briefly went back inside, who heard and came to help), he was angry but not nuts. Poor kid. Maybe the bully parents abused him also. Either way they put their son at risk and were teaching him to abuse others but I'm sure he loved them and now he lost them both. He's autistic and now being raised by the grandparents.
The man who shot the foul mouthed neighbors was a decorated Navy Vet.
And he still sounded calm until he brought out his rifle.
The couple was probably to him, diseased stricken dogs that needed to be put down.
No excuse for murder. But, theres always a but. I couldnt help but wonder and get a sick feeling that they most likely talk like this around their son. They look like normal people but in my unprofessional opinion they were narcissists. Who fricken taunts a guy like that even after pointing a gun at you and even after shooting you? They were on some kind of crazy pills.
@@Jess-kn8vl I have no doubt that the couple were proficient at yelling and bullying to more than their neighbor. It will come out eventually
The most information I heard on this incident is he asked them not to throw snow on his property time after time. They ignored him over and over. It was an ongoing feud.
What I find amazing about this video:
1) You have two people taunting him. The husband challenges him to come back out of the house to fight.
2) He approaches them with a gun and they choose to film and continue taunting.
3) He lets 5 shots go and they just stand there.
4) The husband gets hit and the wife just sits there. Even after she gets shot she is STILL shouting at him.
5) How does a couple, with a special needs child, behave like that over and over and threaten someone. They orphaned their child and obviously didn't set a good example.
sad thing is the child has lost his or her parents...
@Kevin Verduci I like your Kaczynski pic; I'm also a PhD mathematician, and Ted did some excellent work in harmonic analysis on the unit disc back in the 60s ...
His wife had also died recently and they were taunting him about that, according too neighbours they were like this to most of them but targeted him in particular.
@@chemicalbrucey157 Brucey Baaby! You have that new account wrapped up with a bow??
Judging by how these two morons acted that kid would have been better off in foster care.
I literally just re-watched this whole vid. (the origional) this morning. 3-9-22. I'm almost 40 years old and have seen tens of thousands of videos. This Is by far one of the most disturbing that I have ever witnessed. Thank you for covering this story. I believe everything happens at a time for a reason. Please folks. do not let snow or neighbor arguements lead to this. There is always another way. people get heated . times are weird. only getting weirder. Hug your loved ones. be kind to one another. That is all. Thank you . Be safe. Much love. Positive frequencies.
Obviously you've never seen Liveleak videos, and i suggest you don't even go look at the 'Crazy Shit' site
It's beyond worse.
wow, you've done a great job relegating yourself to the more reputable portions of the internet then. W/out intentionally doing so, this is mild compared to some of the stuff i've seen on the internet.
@Mike Anthony I saw enough in Vietnam ( two tours) to last me 20 lifetimes ...
Fr, like i've seen way more gruesome videos, but this ones pretty disturbing. Something to do with the whole setting. them talking shit to getting put down like dogs and groaning, and him coming back from his house again to get out some words and shooting them up close and personal
I had trouble sleeping after the 1st time, showed my wife, she was horrified, but tbh those people weren't very nice.
It is a poignant reflection of our times that a person who has a gun pointed at them thinks filming the incident with their phone will be sufficient to protect themselves.
Very true but then to walk closer to the gun. Is that how bad things have gotten now when someone pulls a gun people throw insults and walk towards the gun 😱 What ever happened to running in the opposite direction 🤷🏻♀️
@Just Me Well said.
@@Paa375 Exactly, honestly I don’t even know what they think, the phone is going to become a forcefield saving them from the shots?
No, this is not a “reflection of our times” its a reflection of one woman whose abject ineptitude was surpassed only by her arrogance. The overwhelming majority of people would not and do not believe that filming a man with a gun that is pointed at them is a good way to protect themselves.
@@jeremybamgbade I agree with your assessment of this woman but I dont claim that most people would do what she did in that situation. Her actions though do reflect however many people's obsession with recording everything on their phone even at times in conflict situations.
i once had extreme assholes for neighbours, i actually sold the house on the advice of the police. Best move i ever made.
Glad I didn't buy it.
Damn. That’s such a hassle for people that just need to be dealt with.
@@davidcardinal3654 I have a large lot and there are 6 parcels that abut my property. A day does not go by where I do not thank the Lord that I've never had a problem with any of them. I mean the math is against me for Christ's sake!
@@jonanthony6136 And may you never have any issues with any of them!
Neighborhood can be ugly. I have heard of so many situations but most people don’t have a gun they can just run in and get. No gun no double homicide murder🤨🤨
When a conflict is about to occur, consider the possiblity that you might be entering the conflict on a 2 out of 10 on the scale of anger and desperation, but the other person might be already at an 8 out of 10 on that scale.
Sadly, Mr. Spaide probably had reported their bullying before. And, of course, cops do nothing because no one has been threatened. So, he got tired of their childish bullying and took matters into his own hands. People can only take so much, and if you're the bully, one day someone is gonna stand up to you! They had it coming. Sorry, not sorry. 🤷♀️
Don't disrespect people. Don't disrespect their property. Don't push people that you do not know. Real life isn't the internet. A phone or a keyboard isn't going to protect you.
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Exactly!!!! Even more so in the days we live in now!! Pandemic, pushed us to the limits… no money, no work, stress! I am at my breaking point. Do not cross the line. Respect others
Shut up
So executed them is the answer right?
Word 😂
"Never bring a phone to a gun fight"
The only part that sucks about the situation is that the shooter offed himself after ending those two bullies. Dude would've been a living legend in my book.
You’re idea of a living legend is pretty sick. You need help.
@@jensgronning4436 - He actually is. The neighbors are glad and happy now.
I heard about this but never knew how horrible this couple was until ID channel profiled this case on Fear Thy Neighbor. All other neighbors considered them to be loud obnoxious homophobic bullies. I feel bad for Jeffrey and only Jeffrey. Wish he didn’t have such a rough life but maybe he’s at peace now
Do you know which episode & season it was?
Edit: I have found it, grabbing a coffee & going to watch it now
It’s season 9 episode 2 “bullets in the snow”
@lilirishgrl appreciate it me and wifey will watch it later today..
very good. I’m watching now. How tragic.
Just recently saw the video on X. I never heard about this incident & had no idea what was abt to happen & omg. Very disturbing
A guy named “Spade” in a fight over shoveling
Small tool syndrome perhaps?
@@lizc6393 I thing Mr. Spaide's tools were completely adequate.
Might as well call a spade a spade
LOL
@@scottmatznick3140 Well played Sir!
Kindness would’ve gotten everybody much farther.
Exactly.
Also not shoveling snow on your neighbors driveway
@Bucket Bot Agreed 💯
So would walking inside your house and shutting the door. And NOT coming back out with a gun
Just too many people carrying a chip on their shoulders and just don’t know how to behave
Anyone who has seen a lot of these videos, or just has life experience, can tell you that the couple was clearly the aggressor here. Their body language and how they act in unison says everything. They've clearly done this kind of thing together many times before. Allegedly to Mr. Spaide. The only tragedy here is that their victim lost his life, too.
The fact that HE RAN AWAY AND DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO PROTECT HIS WIFE!
When a person is asked if he thinks someone is capable of murder, they answer "No". I always thought that was strange. I think everyone is capable of it. You just never know.
Talk about yourself
Yes, I think that if you feel threatened enough, anybody could be capable of it. Unless you are some kind of martyr or Saint or Jesus Christ impersonated.
Only in America, where every coward has a gun.
Agreed; I've always believed that anyone of us is only 3 degrees removed from being a killer. Nobody's above it under the right circumstances.
@G Kab
Oh my!
they're all dead and the snow is still there. How horrible for their families.
The dude probably knew how dumb it would feel to wake up in jail, and seeing snowless days outside
Someone on another thread said this was an on-going feud for a couple of months, carried on by the couple against this man. I had thought there was more to this story, when I first saw it.
@@Jibbie49 Yeah it sounds like that might be the case.
@@Jibbie49 it did seem that way, why shovel snow onto his driveway that is an aggressive stupid dumb act. they were disproportionately aggressive towards him, the husband was a big threatening guy, he couldn't take their shit anymore, stupid couple.
But ultimately they were all as bad as one another so the world is now better off without all 3.
I wish that man didn't have to kill himself. If I was a juror I would of found him innocent. Rest in peace
@Laith Ali innocent when there is a video of him killing 2 unarmed people? Lmao I hope he burns in hell along with anyone that agrees with this murderer
@@princepoker68 they literally asked for it, do you think assisted suicide is murder also?
He probably would have gotten 2 counts of manslaughter. With the right lawyer, defense, and plea deal he might have been out in 12 years.
Great points but when a neighbor says “ I’m going to make your life a living hell here” I think that was the breaking point and not useless chatter. Your home is your sanctuary and once that’s gone I can see it escalating quickly.
I wonder if that couple was tormenting him for years, they were taunting him by shoveling snow onto his driveway, and then calling him names.
Almost guaranteed considering they were subsequently administered multiple lead injections. There was contempt in everything he did. You don't earn that easily.
Apparently the neighbours said they were feuding long before this
Think he hadn't been there more than a year
@@bigdickdudley9119 still not that long but what kinda baby gets that worked up?
if they would've called him a dummyhead, would they would've died? I doubt it.
we've all said things in relationships that weren't nice, we don't expect our partner to murk us in cold blood, which is like 100 x more likely than it being a neighbor and millions of neighbors hate each other. like HATE each other. but this not insane news covered because of how insane that guy acted...cause they called him a pussy? like, your masculinity really that low dude
@@bigdickdudley9119 false. Much longer.
The couple dared him to do something, even up to the extreme of standing up to a gun in their face. They were extreme bullies, plain and simple.
Stupid ones at that
there should be a right to kill bullies
Very true.
They kept tormenting him and making his life a living hell. I have no sympathy for that couple.
And what were they thinking shoveling snow into the guys property. I know dogs that behave better that them “humans”.
The woman definitely escalated the situation here, thinking that he was firing warning rounds she walked towards him filming. He probably realised that the police would now file charges against him and went "well fuck it, all in" - after that no turning back.
This was one of the most horrific murders I've heard about in quite some time. Don't ever mess with people and act tough.
Nah, not even close. You see horrific murders of absolutely innocent people every single day. I'm not saying these people deserved to die, but if you watch the murders of 100 people, 95 of them are asking for it LESS than these two idiots.
Humility and little bit of "shutting TF up" can go a long way.
Or just walking away/ ignoring them entirely. I have a neighbor like that - she got mad at me after _her_ tree contractor broke _my_ fence, but I just ignore her, trying avoid her entirely when she is outside, which isn't often.
@@pulaski1 he definitely walked away. He actually ran away, but then...
@@TheAllianceEnt He should have stopped while he was ahead!
@@pulaski1 he stopped, but then he changed his mind apparently
@@TheAllianceEnt I assume you meant ".... then he _lost_ his mind ...". LOL
This is why I don't talk to my neighbors. You don't want to have issues with people who know where you live or that you have to continue to interact with.
That's so sad. You miss out on knowing a lot of good people that way.
@@beevie4081 I also have the joy of not having to deal with weirdos or pissing them off.
@@rn2787 Haha, can't deny that. But the good neighbours make the bad neighbours more bearable. And it's nice to know you can get local help sometimes.
@@beevie4081 I have family and friends nearby. I am immunocompromised so dealing with people that may be anti-mask and/or ani-vax is incredibly dangerous. I know there are a few in my housing development unfortunately (they literally have signs). In my case even if they are not violent they are dangerous. No amount of sugar or whatever is worth whatever they may have.
You actually don't have to interact with them.
This is why I never honk my horn or yell at anyone who cuts me off in traffic. You just never know how quickly it will escalate.
🎯🎯
Boy, there was ALOT of things they could have done to prevent their own deaths.
'Alot' isn't a word.
I think the shooter didn't want to live anymore and definitely, his intention was to get rid of this couple on that day. I have heard that his wife died before that due to COVID-19 and he also got cancer at stage 4.
His wife had just died.
@@bbe3034 You mean the wife of the shooter
@@tuanngnt yes.
Why was this couple putting snow on someone else's driveway? They seemed to be purposely trying to annoy him.
There had to be history there of previous disagreements . Who snaps that far over one incident?
Yes! They were shoveling all the snow from their driveway straight across the street to block his driveway with their snow.
Because they were a Ken and a Karen. There is no rational reason for them acting like that, aside from being selfish (redacted).
@@steffaniekizer9802 Perhaps he had shovelled snow onto or near their driveway, that may have been the reason for the previous altercation- makes sense as to why they were so angry with him. Their immediate neighbor said they were nice people.
They were wrong but didn’t deserve to die for it...
This is why my grams always taught us, "Be mindful of your actions and words because you never know what is in the next man's mind.."
Thank you I’m going to keep this quote
@@notgabriel2083 Me too!
"Watcha gonna do, shoot me?"
Famous last words
It’s the ultimate bluff call. If you’re right, you’re forever a badass. If you’re wrong, your legacy will be that of a complete embarrassment
@@SS0895 you’re always stupid and never a badass if you try to call someone’s bluff that they won’t shoot you. That’s straight up cutting off your nose to spite your face. How little self preservation does one have to have to be willing to risk your own life over something so damn stupid?
@@lord_haven1114 I always thought the saying was ‘cut your nose off despite your face’ I was so confused, thanks for making it clear to me.
@@SS0895 if your right you are lucky if wrong you get what you deserved. Don't get me wrong some people are innocent victims. These 3 are all at fault.
The dead guy - “I’m going to make your life a living hell.” Shooter - “hold my beer.”
"Hold my shovel"
They're all dead so.....
"Natural selection" - Dylan Klebold
@@alexanderleuchte5132 imagine quoting a dead school shooter. Virgins be crazy
No one should have died. That said, shoveling your snow into your neighbor's driveway and then insulting and threatening him when he asks/tells you to stop is un-neighborly and altogether [expletive] up.
Also they HAD to walk over to his street to dump snow on his property...
And they had been doing things like that to him for ages apparently, didn't work out for them clearly.
They lived across the street too. They brought the snow over to his property to dump it to piss him off.
maybe the devil has a sense of humor and all three are now roomies downstairs.
What was the point of dumping snow on the vet’s property? 🤦🏾♀️
I hate feeling weak when I stand down from confrontation with random people in the world but in the back of my mind I'm always thinking about scenarios like this where people get killed for senseless things
What u deem as “weak” God views as humility which is one of the requirements for entering Heaven. Stop beating yourself up when this happens 2u, instead view it as possibly saving your own life, especially in this day and age😘
There are predators and prey. Guess which one you are
@@TheDipset1233 is very easy to be tough when you dont risk getting your head split in half, isnt it? Ridiculous fool.
better to be seen as weak and alive rather than stupid and dead!
@@andromeda1903 go tell that to the people from the salon that died in a senseless murder.
I've seen the whole video from beginning to the end.... just absolutely brutal... I can only say that the two people that were shot obviously didn't think that Spaide had the balls to shoot them there in the street it was an insane gamble by both of them that ended badly... I don't believe that Spaide intentionally wanted to shoot & kill the both of them just by the amount of warning shots he fired at first... but what I believe turned the whole thing into a bloody mess was the absolute ignorance of these two people especially the wife egging him on & their stupidity to just stand there while he continued firing away at them attempting to get them to back off which neither one of them had any notion or common sense to do... once Spaide saw that they didn't give a shit it just pushed him over the edge & that was it... Spaide killing himself was just the act of a man realizing he fucked up & there was no way out for him... just insane....
I agree with you. I think those are warning shots. Not many people think that. Also, when he says "you should have kept your f**king mouth shut, I wonder if he's referring to her daring him to shoot. Maybe he had restraint in the beginning and wanted only to scare them with the warning shots. But he was totally prepared to take it further to the end. I think he knew he would have to pay with his suicide immediately afterwards. I also think he was a troubled man who was probably depressed as well. The rumor about having lost his wife to cancer is definitely untrue. His obituary, which his family wrote, does not mention a pre-deceased wife. Just remember, folks, you can get help for depression in something as simple as a pill, though it may take a short journey to find the right one. And DO NOT be ashamed to get help for depression. Relief changes EVERYTHING.
@@jamesc.7990 Decent comment until you implied that a pill would fix your depression. It might... but it's frustrating for people like me with treatment resistant depression going on 30 years. Short journey? Heh.. laughable.
@@philj8205 For those who might be helped, making the comment was definitely worthwhile.
At least the last words he said to her were awesome
@@jamesc.7990 Psychiatric drugs are hazards to the brain, except maybe, benzos. The chemical imbalance theory was disproved over 20 years ago.
I have watched that entire video. Those people 100% brought that upon themselves by trying to bully someone who was waaaay above their level of violence that day. When he came out with the first gun he fired at least 4 times over their heads, trying to give them a chance to de-escalate. The wife actually walked toward him calling him a MF, etc. and saying go ahead go ahead. The husband you could tell was more worried about what they caused to happen. He turned slightly sideways and stayed back from the shooter. The shooter hit him first which caused him to retreat back toward the garage. The next shot knocked the wife down in the street but she still kept cussing him and calling him a MF. Apparently a 9mm handgun doesn't have a lot of quick kill power or something because he had to go get a rifle out of his house to finish them off. Just a terrible story and a lesson to be learned for everyone about who you are trying to push around.
I watched the video many times and I counted 13 rounds fired. When the action stayed open on the last shot, the pistol did appear to be a Glock. Unless the magazine was not full, 13 rounds sounds more like a .40 Smith & Wesson out of a Glock 23. The rifle he used was a cheap carbine using pistol ammunition,(Kel Tech or something). If it was a .223 or .308 you would have heard the difference in sound. It will never be known.
We never know what people are going through, in their personal lives. Kindness and respect would have brought quite a different outcome. ✌️❤️🙏
I mean no matter whats going on in your life you still shouldn't fucking murder people
Dear Patti - I have said this to myself and other people for years. You never know what is happening in someone’s life and I wouldn’t want to be the one to push them over the edge. You are dead on and completely right and I appreciate your point of view.
@@SjofnBM1989
The problem is in our society many persons are undiagnosed and they are mentally ill. You shouldn't be murdered and you shouldn't trigger people who may have an imbalance of hormones and are unbalanced. Respect and kindness help to keep you from being on the news.
@@sharonsmalls6846 - maybe the problem is too many guns.
And just think if they instead of shoveling snow onto his driveway and then starting an insulting shouting match, they would've cleared his driveway from snow instead, and when he came out to see what was going on, they had said "Hey neighbor, we just wanted to thank you for shoveling our driveway last week, our turn now! Btw, after we're done here we were gonna have some coffee and freshly baked cake. You wanna come over and join us?"
You know, like grown-up adults and friendly neighbors are supposed to do.
'Insufficiently masculine' this man is a mad man 😂😂😂
I mean, it's dead on though. He breaks down the glamour of being an insulting jerk to actually define what is being said, and what hurt.
Is it bitch or pu$$y?
@@nickyblue4866 he says "beginning with p" so I guess pussy. he could've just said "he called him a kitty cat"
@@DonPeyote420 insufficiently masculine could be Pin-dick? 😂😭
A pofter?
His comment "I'll make your life a living he'll" is what took that guy to the point of no return. He made the guy repeat it, and that's when he came out shooting.
This was the most intense EGO battle I've seen in a while. Be kind, be courteous, and this will never happen to you. Play the macho type and God just might pull you number.
I bet the remaining neighbors are thanking Jeffrey for his selfless actions.
Some gave all...
I bet so to, why would anyone want to live like that I always make friends with neighbors
Haha. Personally, fuck his other neighbors: they seemed to all turn on him and/or wasn’t on his side to begin with.
For real.
I'll explain it. I'm from the area. The people have harassed him ever since they moved into the area. The man who shot is a veteran, family and people we personally are friends with live near there and this is never gonna get proper light on the internet. But the couple were absolute trash in the neighborhood and always causing issues with the neighbors. Big point, don't push people to a breaking point.
It's not great how things in places stem to this point. It should make everyone realize maybe we shouldn't be assholes so much on both parts. But deeper who knows. Old school vet and they can get pretty intense. Not smart moves with them yelling and screaming. But hey it's what you hear and the closest things is just be a bit nicer.
Yes I live nearby and I have heard the exact same thing.
Wow damn, insane. So it seems like from your account he had ongoing disputes with the couple and they were known adound the neighbourhood.
"PRO-LIFE"
I feel bad that man shot himself. That couple seemed to be neighbors from hell. Good riddance for not of em. May God bless the man who was shooting. They pushed him over the edge
Not excusing the shooter, but the couple sound like they were bullies.
yea I don’t really feel bad for them. it is what it is.
Yup. When a guy who is twice your size threatens to knock you out, make your life hell, and calls you a pussy, that's pretty much bullying. I'm sure this is not his first time pulling this shit. The wife would be alive today if she had tried to calm down her husband instead of joining in on the abuse. After the husband gets shot, you hear his mother yelling "jimmy, jimmy" but she didn't say shit when he was threatening to beat the hell out of the shooter. Shitty parents were part of his problems.
Honestly it's hard for me to feel bad for that couple
@@eshadiva6600 ik I just feel bad for the son though
@@JohnJones-cg2xm-How do you know? Why do we automatically assume that this murdering piece of garbage was some sort of victim?
Ive had neighbors like that, its hard to defend that behavior. You dont murder people but at the same time this behavior of pushing people has consequences and they felt the brunt of them.
That couple messed with the wrong person, literally. They were playing with fire. This is the reason why I keep a distance from ppl, and prefer to stay non confrontational. Some ppl will not hesitate to do what he did.
I saw the video, those people were begging to get shot. Leave people alone!!!
and that was just their behaviour on that day, they had been taunting him for ages...you heard the "victim", "we're going to make your life a living hell"...guess not anymore
Never ever instigate or provoke people to anger, specially knowing this man was military train. They messed with the wrong one, that's my take. Not justifying his action, just people need to be careful, somethings aren't worth it...now 3 are dead.
They deserved everything they got.
@@chillywilly7299 ridiculous. They certainly shouldn’t have taunted the man. But you live in a fantasy world if you think it’s justified to murder people who are rude to you. Throw hands if you must... Like how fragile was this guy? What a coward.
@@nthompson2474 he chose to act
I'm so happy that Dr. Grande is going to put out more podcasts I can't wait to listen to them 😍
He's done hundreds, the humor is definitely sharper over the last 18 months or so. You got to love it when he throws some of these bozos under the bus. Wish he was my analyst!
I just hope he puts out
@@marcdraco2189 ha ha!! I love him but definitely would not want him as my analyst! I would give him way too much to work with!!
Aren't the podcasts these videos?
@@tammyw6023 Videos can be Podcast(ed) but a podcast is something you download for later viewing or listening. The original idea was audio only to Apple iPods, hence the term pod-cast from iPod and Broadcast.
Never insult a person with a gun, you don't know how close they are to saying "to hell with it all".
Alls I know after watching the series Fear Thy Neighbor, is that, that couple was most likely making that mans life a living hell.
He had his safe space invaded by those 2 horrific people. I’m sure the cops were called plenty of times and obviously that never stopped the 2 bullies.
The two news sources I read said the cops had never been called about neighbor complaints between anyone, including the couple, before. Maybe other news said differently, not sure.
I agree even if the cops were called they would have done nothing. As long as they remained neighbors this was bound to happen eventually.
Was this incident featured on that show or are you talking about the show in general?
@@urbanyouthsI was speaking in general. I think Fear Thy Neighbor has a new season or 2, but I have not watched, so i'm not sure if they highlight this case on the show!
This Episode ended up airing on Fear Thy Neighbor as well on Monday 10/16/2023 Season 9 Episode 2. This couple were big bullies don’t feel bad for them one bit
That incident was shocking on all levels. Sometimes when i interact with deliberately rude and taunting people (at work, customers) i would wonder how they managed to survive this long... i kind of worry they will run one day into someone who will care even less then they do about other people who will literally cancel them. Which is what just happened :(
I have an otherwise thoughtful friend who honks and carries on at other drivers who make mistakes or do something stupid. Makes me nervous for her. I hate being a passenger in her car.
@@kathyradford7187 avoid it for your own sake.
@@kathyradford7187 People somehow feel shielded by their vehicles and thus feel free to let their feelings out, not considering they might evoke a road rage incident. Wouldn't you just love to get caught in the middle of that! I wouldn't ride with her, period. If she balks, too bad, tell her why and put your foot down. I wouldn't hold my breath about her changing, bad habits die hard.
Yes same I come across soooo many rude aholes, and I'm always shocked and surprised how they're still running around being aholes
That is a bit uncalled for. We ALL have our moments of being rude. We shouldn't hope anyone is killed over a rude comment or disagreement.
I understand that they had issues prior to this, however, as you get older, you should have the maturity, rationality and common sense to leave a neighbor alone if you know he’s off.
Not everything has to be a battle. If someone is coming at me with a gun, I’m running.
That’s what makes no sense about it for me, making me think they were bullying the guy just to fuck with him before that cus to further antagonize someone is not a normal way to react to a gun pointed at u
Men typically see a decrease in testosterone as they get older. Combine that with the male brain maturing in the mid 20s is why you don’t see as much aggressive or risk taking behavior among males. More than likely, these people were running on pure animosity and stupidity... especially for the woman. While I won’t say anyone deserved to die, if you’re gonna goad the guy you’ve been harassing while he’s approaching you with a weapon rather than trying to de-escalate the situation and/or run for your life, I have zero sympathy for what happens to you
*among males in their thirties and older
Some people seem to become even worse as they age. It's like they lose the energy to behave decently.
Hey Dr Grande,
My coworkers brother worked with Spaide for the state, I was very intrigued by this case and in my search for more information I found this video. I found it so interesting and entertaining that over the past week or two I've been binge-watching your channel, probably have watched half your catalog at this point, lol. I just wanted to thank you for all the great content, you present information in a way that is very interesting, and quite frankly calming, haha. I am very grateful for all the work you put in, and keep up the great work!
What kind of man was he?
This video wasn’t brutal. It was satisfying. Screw those bullies. They deserved it. I just wish he went about it differently.
You need help
@@sunshinejewel2952 Nope
This is why I never talk to my neighbors. In fact, I go well out of my way to never even see them.
Are you worried they are going to hurt you or you're going to hurt them after they insult you? Either way, most are helpful, especially when you help them first.
@@beevie4081 No, I was kind of making a joke about being unsociable.
@@TheWorstThingEver oh no, it's finally happened. I miss interacting with humans so much I can't even catch an anti social joke.
Me too!
@@beevie4081 It's ok. What I said was true in that I really do avoid my neighbors, but not because I'm afraid of them or anything. I just don't want to have to talk to anyone.
I think James Goy's "make your life a living hell here" threat was a terrible mistake, because it's actually possible to do that to a neighbour and get away with it. Some of the things that can be done are dramatized in a move called "Lakeview Terrace".
That threat is effectively a declaration of war, and should never even be hinted at, let alone spoken. It's best to pursue a policy of peaceful disengagement with neighbours.
@Brandon Snider “Lakeview Terrace”was the trustworthy, best friend and neighbor that just might kill you in your sleep? 😳
I bet the neighbors are glad that James and Lisa Goy no longer live there.
I just watched the Fear Thy Neighbor episode on this yesterday and I hate to say it, but I never thought two people deserved it in my life. That couple were hateful bullies and tormented people in the neighborhood.
Yes same I just watched this episode yesterday as well they definitely had this coming. They were the two most hateful people. Definitely have zero sympathy for them. I feel Bad for Jeffrey but he did the world a favor on his way out.
Your play by play of the cussing match was just EVERYTHING!
Always remember, never bring a phone to a gunfight
I spit my coffee through my nose! God help me, I'm probably going straight to hell! Seriously!? WHAT is with people these days!? I live in a small rural town of 5500. They call US uncivilized rednecks!? All of the neighbors look out for one another here. My teens KNEW better than to pull anything growing up. I would hear about it before I even got home from work. Just the past weekend my adult daughter and I were sitting visiting ( she lives out of town in a large city) and she remarked how she remembered a neighbor knocking on the door Within less than a minute after two boys had knocked on the door and came to visit. Granted, the boys weren't there for anything more than to visit however it was against the rules to have boys over in the house when we were not at home. When I reached the front door after work she met me there complaining that the "nosy neighbor", had knocked on the door and ordered the boys out of the house. We both had a good laugh as she now has a teenage daughter of her own. Then we both said in sobering tones we wished that neighbors were still like that. I truly cannot conceive of this happening! it blows my mind. Everyone in this area has guns in their trucks guns in their homes and we have yet to have an accidental death, or a homicide by gun with the exception of an out-of-towner who came and committed such a crime during a robbery. When people say whatever happened to the good old days I truly do Wonder at times where this world is going to. "To Hell in a Handbasket" comes to mind.
They literally stood there egging him on when he started firing already. He only started to run away once he was shot while she continued standing and watching
I was curious if you were going to discuss this.
I for one have personally had years of depression, and in fact, most of that was mixed with rage. After I went to therapy and learned about what was going on I realized I was destroying myself and that I had become a ticking time bomb. I realized that I have a low threshold for social confrontations, etc. Once I learned these things it really turned me around and I learned to control my anger and my reactions. These days I have less road rage, less impulsive reactionary anger, and less resentment in general. Also, I have more understanding and clarity when it comes to others.
I really do believe that Spaide wanted to die. He wanted to kill. I think this was his opportunity to let the hate explode. I don't know if he was aware of what was going on, but that was what he became. I've been there myself, and I've felt the rage exhibited in that video. I WAS that guy. I WANTED TO BE that guy. I imagined being that violent to people. This was before 2013 when I got help. That is why I will never own a gun, because I know personally I cannot handle that responsibility. Instead, I am being responsible by not owning a firearm.
YOU MUST HAVE SELF CONTROL.
Bullies exist. But are you going to let them get the best of you? NO! Jeffrey Spaide made the mistake of letting it get the best of him. Now he and 2 neighbors are dead and their families are destroyed - plus all of their neighbors are now living in trauma from being terrorized by his tantrum. I know the neighbors were antagonizing him, but that's life - you're going to have opposition in many many forms. Some of it will come in petty name-calling and gutter-sniping.
Don't be selfish. Love your neighbors. That video changed me forever.
I can relate to what you're saying. I think there's a possibility that owning a gun might change my behavior and lead to tragedy so I won't get one. Prisons and cemetaries are full of people who had to learn that the hard way.
The couple is 100% responsible for their own deaths.
They bullied the neighbor and from the backround story......it had been going on for a while and not just that day.
So, they pushed the Introverted guy too far this time. He had enough.......
Lesson: mind your own business and being a bully can end your life.
It's awful the couple was murdered, but... It really does seem like they bullied that neighbor a lot. They were probably straight up assholes to him all the time. Also, dude did threaten the shooter before he went to get the gun. Even after presenting the gun, dudes wife decides to antagonize him further. As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. All of this could have been avoided if they would've just acted like adults.
That occurred only a few miles from where I live in a Moosic, PA. I remember after that being very careful that I blew no snow near my neighbors’ driveways and sidewalks, something I never did anyway. We really never know what’s happening behind closed doors. It’s best never to confront neighbors over silly nonsense and to be courteous in all interactions with them. After all, we all have to live together. Might as well live in peace That’s way better than being blown to pieces any day.
“Emotionally disregulated (dysregulated?)”. I love that! I’m going to try it on my spouse, “Sweety, you need to get your emotional disregulation under control.” Will report back, if I can.
@@The_ScapeGoat And now I’m wondering if there’s a term for people who can’t recognize a joke.
It’s always been mind-boggling to me, people holding up their phone and recording, acting like it made them invincible. Anybody who wants to harm you isn’t going to care of your recording.
The toxic couple thrived on confrontation and demeaning him. They are having an adrenaline rush in abusing him. Mr. Goy used the kitty cat word to un-man him, that is a very generic insult. But he goes on to use the q word to imply he was homosexual. That is a more specific and directed word than the other. It leads me to think they were constantly attacking his sexuality. It seems he was unmarried, but may not have been homosexual, and they were intent on humiliating him. These were poisonous humanoids who could not leave him to his own devices. It doesn't justify him, but they created the perfect storm.
he was married. his wife died from cancer a couple weeks before this. In the original video if you listen closely you can hear James Goy say "I hope your wife is in hell"
@@subservient8 He was not married. That whole thing about him losing a wife just prior to the incident was made up, who knows why. He was single, and was most likely homosexual. That fact gives more context to the situation knowing that the man was being humiliated with a gay slur openly in the neighborhood where he lived.
@@blondespitfire You can literally hear him say in the video " I bet your wife went to hell" now why would James say that if he wasnt married?
a full year later i still think about this case, I try to be neighborly and respect people pretty much anywhere ive ever lived. I cant understand wanting to make enemies of the people that live next door to your for the rest of your life
Grown ass people smh, this story is crazy
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grown ass people with a 15 year old who is now an orphan.
Poor ppl smh
No one should've died but I can't say that the couple have my sympathies
As awful as it sounds I've had a horrible , rude nieghbour who thought she owned the world and I could see how it could get to this point if she lived next to some people ...what a hideous couple
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that James and Karen liked football and tater tots
@@jonburrows2684 😂😂😂 yes if you live near someone who thinks the world revolves around them and by have no manners or empathy and your depressed, in suprised more like this don't get shot frankly.
In the words of Chris Rock, "I'm not saying he should have done it, but I understand."
@@mrs.h2725 yes it can make life hell if you live next door to a horrible nieghbour and maybe he'd been bullied too long people like that can make a person's life hell and you feel like you have no control , you generally don't feel it's okay to pick up the phone to the police and say " my nieghbour is a bully" bevause it doesn't get you anywhere
While it’s terrible when people get hurt, I am hard pressed to think of less sympathetic victims than these two. I watched the video and their relentless efforts to bully, harass, insult, threaten and emasculate the shooter really didn’t leave him with any graceful way out. They couldn’t have orchestrated their own murders better if they had consciously tried.
Someone who you shouldn't mess with Vs. People who won't stop messing around.
The threat of making someone's life a living hell should not be discounted as hollow and meaningless.
I'm not advocating for capital punishment in this case,
but . . .
shoveling snow into your neighbor's driveway is
definitely 'cruising for a bruising'
The couple meant to cause a confrontation. It seemed like they thrived on it.
lmao
Twice!
Aw man that’s a hilarious spin on this horrible incident
The footage of that was so disturbing.
I thought I was cold-blooded, but watching this - I was shooketh. 😐
Yes...I can't get it out of my thoughts. Also broke my heart hearing their son.
@@SparkyWaxAll 😯I did hear a concerned male voice afterward, but how do you know it was their son? I read that the son was inside the house and I was hoping he hadn't witnessed anything.
Nah it's awesome.
They had to walk across the street to put snow on his property.
When emotions kicks logic out of the drivers seat and takes the wheel, it’s a dangerous and possible deadly ride....
As soon as I saw him come out with the pistol I would have ran for my life, they were just standing there, Run People!!
Sometimes it’s out of shock and disbelief that freezes them! And sometimes it’s stupidity.
@@drakedrones And usually it's booze.
Bullying and entitlement tipped the scales of someone who was on the brink.
🏆 *What I love about Dr. grande is in most of his videos he will make a very feeble dark comedy remark “like dirty hairy” but still remains in character. It just shows his professionalism as he analyzes the case will also subtle come down to earth as an Everyday citizen relating to his audience.*
Those two were made for each other.
If anyone ever asked to die it was those two.
"he returns carrying his pistol" wow that escalated quickly
Not if they were harassing and bullying him for months, which according to neighbors was the case.
@@jaredjones1752 Great, then i get to slice up american tourists who bother me for x-amount of days or even hours!!?!! Amazing.
@@theunspoken1059 Come at me, bro.
Things can happen that quickly it’s doesn’t take much to get someone pissed. He was probably filled with so much rage that he might not have been able to talk himself down. I don’t people get mad and then it gets crazy
@@jaredjones1752 ahhh now I didn't know that. So they were genuine pricks then. Still he should've just punched em in the throat. That'd still be very effective.
This is what happens when bullies dont stop.