Couple of things to keep in mind, Jennair had lost her job, left an area where she most likely had friends, and followed her husband because of his change in job. Then to be replaced, having seemingly nothing left for her. Not necessarily the fear of being alone, but more the loss of her whole world, and a future in jeopardy where once she had security. Must have been a huge shock
@@TransKidRevolution wouldn't it be good to prevent that stuff in the future? For example, I'm not exactly headed down a path of roses and sunshine. The intolerable experience of being so destroyed mentally you can't be self efficacious at all, you basically become like mentally deficient from the abuse 😂 so I can see how people EASILY hurt others in absolute blind rages. Everything is a grey haze, literally everything from you to your partner to morality. You die from these relationships with these narc types
"The course of infidelity is so predictable and obvious, except to those involved in it." You definitely hit the nail on the head with that statement, Dr. Grande!! You can never really be sure. Thanks for the in depth analysis on this case. Great job.
He was a milquetoast. No man is so great that he deserves two women. I also believe that if the other woman hadn’t interfered in the marriage, none of this would’ve happened, and both women would still be alive today. It is a ghastly ghastly feeling to be left behind. If you do not have even moderately good self-esteem, it can be devastating and, as seen here, possibly deadly. If a person decides to ignore the do not enter/no trespassing/danger signs, and climbs the fence and then gets mauled by the injured lioness within, that trespasser is as much to blame as the animal. Caveat emptor.
@@robinrubendunst869 the other woman interfering was wrong, but the man is the one who had made a promise to his wife and he is ultimately responsible for betraying that promise. It's sad, but the wife should have let him go if he did not want to stay with her. Better to be alone than to be a dead murderer.
@Julie Wilson Some men really never learn. This happens all the time. I didn't even want to have anything with anyone that has anything to so with their ex(es). It never ends well.
I get the point, but it does not match reality very well. He did move hundreds of miles away and wasn’t even living with his wife. It takes a long time to get divorced. Years in some cases. It takes five minutes to fall for someone else. This guy was clearly miserable in his marriage, but he just didn’t have the self motivation to unilaterally bail out. Then he met someone else and that gave him the motivation. Given that his wife ended up murdering someone just to make him live with the pain, I can imagine she wasn’t too wonderful to be around. She was a controlling and dominating person who married a timid guy. Why do you think she did that? I don’t exactly condone cheating, but no one is obligated to spend their one life miserable under someone’s thumb.
Totally agree. And they shouldn't lie. Be honest and own up to it. OR simply commit til the end. The problem is ppl take marriage lightly and they don't want to put in the effort to make it work.
@@stt5v2002 that’s true, but he should have had the strength to cut her off completely if it was that bad. He brought an innocent person into his own drama knowing his wife was a little unhinged. Gotta make a clean break when its time to go.
Your videos are great. Not too long. Just the facts. I think I've watched most of them and appreciate the effort and the straightforward way in which you present.
I am sorry, I respect and like Dr. Grande; however, I think his face is too close already. I don't need to see the tartar on his teeth...lol. Please add a plant or art work, or even a personal item in your office. -A fellow INTP👍
@@gaylefedelia6538 If she had kept her legs closed to a married man, she'd still be alive. That's the problem with being a side chick. You don't know what kind of crazy he got at the house. Now she dead.
That mental health expert person who "diagnosed" Jennair with BPD based on that letter should have disclaimed with, "Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing the person who wrote this letter, only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like the one the person is describing."
I like your point on her thinking of him as being mature yet him being in an affair with her showed his lack of maturity. What are the stats on relationships starting this way succeeding? Ofren people believe they are in love but are not. Whenever people confide in another person on more personal things they feel an emotional bond, but this is not necessarily being in love. Some people just don't take rejection well.
@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness it never is wise to get a relationship going when either person is in a relationship or separated. Passions can run pretty high in even relatively normal people. I think people like to exaggerate how nuts they must have been to protect themselves from the idea they could be tempted to do the same.
The stats on success are low. I was reading a book on some sort of psychological relationship counselors advice and he gave a low statistic on survival. He also mentioned that limerence cause fear to be inhibited and risk taking to be more likely which increases the appeal of the affair as it facilitates bonding. You know eventually you're going to think, "if they did this with me, they might do it to me" and all that overestimated connection falls into a dark place of well deserved distrust.
When you find yourself sewing listening devices in your partner's clothing and tracking the person who they are having an affair with, it is time to seriously consider walking away
@@thisblackgirlslife If she was planning a divorce, she wouldn't have been looking into couple's therapy and planning a murder/suicide. Recording a conversation without the other person's consent, is felony, according to my previous family law lawyer. I imagine that murdering her husband's mistress would also make a family law judge, unsympathetic to her case.
@@Ona1979 Investigators routinely record/surveil their targets, and then glean what they can to be used by the divorce attorney.BTW- Some states are one party states meaning recording one other person without their consent is perfectly legal. I doubt Jennair had any rational plan and she hardly needed the sympathy of a family law judge since she took her own life.
The problem is many people don't want to leave their failing marriages unless they have another person waiting for them, so that the transition could be seamless. Some people have a fear of being alone, or fear of working on themselves in therapy before starting another relationship, and that's why these love triangles happen. But it's also that some people like having their egos stroked by their paramours, which is a sign of narcissism, selfishness, and immaturity. It's sad that two people lost their lives when it could have all been handled differently.
I think people don't necessarily see their failing marriage as an opportunity to look in the mirror and see their failings. Much easier to just blame the other person for all their setbacks. I think being self aware and conscious of your own mistakes is something you need before considering therapy. This guy (at least in the ABC interview) talks about this whole thing so passively, this all seemed to happen to him and at no point does he admit his wrong doing (although this might have been edited out). I feel like their marriage was on the rocks for a log time but neither of them communicated well otherwise they might have realised earlier just how unhappy they were. Although, if finances were a repeat tense topic then maybe they couldn't afford to live a part especially after she lost her job and felt reliant on him. I get the impression that if it hadn't of been Meredith, then it would have been someone else he found to make him feel good. I think if Jennair hadn't of lost her job (which increased the reliance on Mark); moved somewhere new (for Mark) and just been totally deceived (by Mark), then it could have turned out differently. I disagree with this guy needing to write a book and making money of this though.
@@wallera09 A lover of mine once told me "You don't throw away your old shoes until you know whether the new ones fit properly." He was referring to marriage and/or living together. That is it in a nutshell.
Don't cheat - leave!!! Look how Meredith and that lousy husband ruined their own lives and others. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the 2 cheaters, although Jennair was clearly unhinged. You never know how people will react to being profoundly betrayed.
Well, she was horribly betrayed and was giving up what she had - friends, job, etc - to move for the sake of the husband. As they were BOTH married, I lay the blame squarely on the insecure loser husband and Meredith. Bet her husband was feeling pretty betrayed as well. Doubt if this was Meredith's nor Mark's first affairs.
@@redsloane879 I agree totally. Meredith told people her husband Luke was fine with it all 😂 yeah right. The a-hole husband has a blog now where he lectures others. He RUINED his wife, he needs to go away and reflect on his selfishness.
Look at you people legitimizing murder. Yet if it was in reverse, you’d all be complaining about sexist men, and there would be a lifetime movie about it.
Dr. Grande, you are a "wonderful man, you are good at what you do, and you are amazing". But the best thing about telling you that is that you are a man of integrity, devoted to your wife and family. Thanks for being you, and giving of yourself to us every day.
Sad that some people place so much stock in other people's choices. If someone cheats on me, yeah it hurts, but they have free will and my entire existence doesn't depend on them.
Totally agree with you, but I think it was wrong of him to tell her after she moved to be join him. Of course, I'm not trying to place all the blame on Mark.
I'll never understand women that "fight" for their spouses after an affair, NEVER! How miserable it must be to live with a partner that no longer loves you and worse, can't stand you while loving someone else. I've had my share of bad relationships, one in particular that hurt like heck (still does) 🥺, because he left me and my little boy and started a new family with someone else 😭. While it's painful that someone I loved abandoned me and my child (completely abandoned because he is no longer in our lives in any manner whatsoever), I can't ever fathom killing anyone for this reason. Great analysis Dr. Grande 🤗😚.
True, but in their age cohorts, most of the "good ones" are already married, and seeing as these two were looking not for just sex and attention, but an actual relationship that would go somewhere, it's not so easy to find. Of course the responsible thing to do would have for both to have gotten divorced asap, but some people need to learn the harder way.
Merideth was a homesteaders, cheater and liar. She knew Mark was married when she first interviewed him. The moral, responsible and right thing to do was NOT hire him. Mark knew his wife had left everything behind to follow him for his next job...he betrayed, cheated and lied to her from the beginning of accepting the job. This awful couple caused the death of Meridith and suicide of Jen.
@@misty4937 NO jenair did that. Shit happens in life and you just suck it up and move forward. The extreme stalking she did is mind blowing. If she’d put half that effort into finding a new job and getting some help no one would have had to die by her hands. I said what I said.
Dr. Grande, saw your thumbnail, looked around for some info before watching your essay/lecture. Realized your content was my best intro to this case. Thank you.
You’re right on the money with your analysis. You also have a reasonable solution. I, too was the wife in a triangle where my husband of seven years had an affair and left me with nothing financially. I was left to pick up the pieces of the aftermath. It is absolutely devastating. It’s now been a year and a half ago and i haven’t even begin to recover. Mentally or financially. I’m not sure if I ever will at the age of 56.
Dr. Grande always does a phenomenal job of showing the sad and painfully human side of the murderer, while also maintaining a sharp view of reality (that what they did was wrong).
Excellent explanation of the effects of betrayal trauma. Very good reminder to consider the context when observing BPD behaviors -- this is a logical time to exhibit frantic efforts to avoid abandonment, a shifting self-image, and dramatic swings in emotion.
The mental health professional who read Jennair's letter: "I AM diagnosing someone in this letter, not speculating on what could be happening in a situation like this!" Dr Grande shakes his head
Great review, Dr. Grande. 👏👏👏 How do you have time to see patients, do research for youtube videos and time to record the videos? Do you get much sleep? 😊😊😊😊😊
Can you take a look at Philip Chism, he murdered his match teacher at school in the girls bathroom when he was 14. I just can't wrap my head around that.
A year ago I went through a massive breakup of a 10-year relationship after being cheated on and I loved the Thelma and Louise analogy and that sometimes it's "good to be left without a plan". It's not that I don't have plans but I do feel pretty sour about being left the way I was, so that was like music to hear. But while I'm here I have to say, I'll never understand murder as a reaction to infidelity. As hurt as I am even a year on, there's still no way I'd ever even remotely entertain the thought. I don't even find it appealing. The level of entitlement and self-righteousness required to consider killing someone at all is staggering.
Great analysis. I especially liked the part where you stated that sometimes it is better to not be included in the plan. I had not thought about that great point!
Very well done, Dr. Grande. I followed this case intensely as I’m from NCC DE. I was saddened by the chain of events as it was gruesome. However, I liked your humor and analysis as it was just the right ingredients for healing.
He told her he was having an affair/wanted a divorce on Valentine’s Day? Horrible. No wonder she cracked. He couldn’t wait a few more days? He obviously planned that.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper No she isn’t, she literally is the least of a sellout on this entire platform. She raises so much money for charity and her demeanor is sincere in my opinion.
Dr. Grande! Love your analysis! Calling out all the fakery of Mark and "unprofessional" psychologists. We need to send this to Mark so he can understand how he was the stressor and he was living in a fantasy. Also, more people need to understand relationships and marriage before jumping in to something. Why do people think they will be happier with a new partner?
Why is it not possible that Mark could have started over and been happier with Meredith? Fact is Jenair was a controlling neurotic with victim mentality who had been with Mark since high school and never imagined he would leave..we should caution ourselves against such naivety pryer to our relationships, through adulthood….too many of us live in fantasy in our attempts to hold on……..Marc was not a bad person, jus5 bored and needed a change..…Meredith needed to be in counseling years before
Mark knew about his wife's instability. The reason he told her about Meredith on Valentine's Day is because he hoped she would commit suicide then he would be free to marry his lover & not have to pay Alimony or divide the assets. His plan backfired obviously
@glenasully -- are you serious? it's crazy to think he wanted her to commit suicide, but it's definitely plausible...people are not right in their heads nowadays.
Your best analysis to date! Todd my overall impression of this analysis is that it shows you have profound insight regarding the tortured and twisted interpersonal dynamics involved with people who engage in cheating. Infidelity is a bad, bad scenario. Emotions run so high, in people that are unstable to begin with, that killing is almost not that unexpected or unusual. I remember reading somewhere in the Bible one time, Proverbs, I think, where it says 'expect a bloody nose or a black eye, for jealousy detonates a rage.' What a mess. I am left with a bad feeling for everyone - I hope there were no children involved.
Not related specifically to the video here - but I would love to hear Dr Grande talk a little about Cognitive Dissonance. I think that now a lot of people are being confronted by situations that conflict with their preconceptions.
A person that is a little more developed, has more awareness ( the self reflective mirror) Will experience an inner distress when acting in ways that are contrary to ones inner impulses. Basically a more evolved person has an opening to their deep sub-concious intellegence and communication can be received as an uneasy feeling that's says dont go there. Conversely one may get a feeling that says yes, do that! This is ones internal spritual communication and would be wise to follow. This could also be refered to as intuitive or psychic feeling/communication. Everyone should make honing the inner feeling ones primary purpose. This is done by placing feeling in the body where that intuitive feeling can be felt and followed. Learn to meditate, practice physical Yoga postures, follow the breath. All of these spritual practices will engage ones inner GPS and life will become the miraculous, as it's meant to be!
This was very informational Dr. Grande. I don't condone the action of the wife but I feel her pain and understand how she snapped. An affair and the feeling of betrayal destroys lives.
Well considering that I'm a Senior Citizen I really appreciate it when You use words that are new to my ears !! Today You used the word pernicious ! I've been told that for my education level, I have an extensive vocabulary, but I'd not heard the word pernicious. Not only am I old, but I go old school when researching anything. So after hearing my new word for the day, I headed straight to My Webster's Dictionary 😄 THANKS Dr. G !! I still Love Learning. You have a Wonderful Week ! Take Care & Stay Safe. 🙏 & ✌️ & ❤️ 🌵🌵🌵
Lord this was a BREAKDOWN!!!! I believe Dr Grande needs to give marital advice because this was very succinct and concrete bon mots about the fantastical nature of affairs. Makes me curious about that bonus content down to the Patreon 🤔🏃🏾♀️💨
@Julie Wilson could you elaborate, please? Narcissist triangulation it's called? I think I was at the receiving end of something like this. I'm not trolling, it's an honest question.
He tried. I watched the 20/20 doc on it and as soon as he got the texts with the the trash pic from his wife, he called Meredith and didn’t get an answer. I’m assuming the wife texted him after killing Meredith.
I really liked and appreciated your point of view. I feel like this is a good video for someone to watch if they’re in a spouse/ partner cheating situation. Very mature and compassionate to everyone involved. Reminds me of why I like your videos.
Spot on with the Thelma and Louise analogy! Yes. I'm stealing that to explain to a love one why they are better off rebuilding rather than regretting . Perfect! I love you, Dr. Grande!! But in a professional, non schoolgirl crush way. .....just kidding!! It's totally in a schoolgirl crush way 😳
I'm looking at the date, because surely this is a repeat. It is:. I've seen this story repeated so many times, just without the murder/suicide. I'm old now, living in a place where there are many retired, bitter ex-wives. Thank you for your professional and compassionate take on these situations, Dr. Grande.
What Jennair did was absolutely wrong. That said, I believe there is plenty of blame to go around. I also believe Mark's "story" is self serving. Jennair isn't here to defend herself and he can say whatever he wants about her. I don't believe him.
What a disastrous outcome. I wonder if the whole "trading in for the younger model" type of idea has anything to do with narcissism in a way. Either way, sad case all around.
@@willnill7946 There are varying degrees of it to where it becomes pervasive and disruptive. That's why I said "narcissism", and not a less severe word like "egotistical." Is "trading up" selfish? Maybe. But that doesn't mean it has to do with being narcissistic in every instance. That's what I'd be interested in hearing the doc discuss.
@Scott Robinson "dr." Was used for teachers before it was used for medical practitioners. You must have no life to go around spamming unrelated videos 🤡
Just watch a movie called Life on Redbox. It's about James Dean & a photographer. Dean's mom died when he was young. His dad had to move him to Indiana because he couldn't take care of him. His mom's coffin was on the train with him on the way to Indiana. Each stop he ran into storage to check on her. Long story short, I believe, it appears Dean has depression. It comes off on the screen in his movies.. Check it out, would like to know your thoughts. The 'Life' photographer also has problems...for another show.
I liked yesterday’s new video setup a lot, but i like the closer distance to the camera on this video and all your others because we can see your face better.
@@foxieroxieok Dr. Grande should drop his note pad and bend to pick it up,while giving his female fans a real treat................ A quick glance at his tush!🧔🩳 OH! DR. GRANDE!🤗😳🤗😏😉
@@erikparent8176 I am a married woman and us married women have to keep it on the up and up. Of course I would avert my eyes under such circumstances.👀
I like the brick, but it's a bit stark. The closer angle in this video, the few objects in the room, create a sense of intimacy, like you're talking to him in his office.
Thanks Dr. Grande, cannot wait to find you on Patreon. Thanks for all the caution in them, I’m already guessing. Let’s see, you were the skilled counsellor.... or you had a similar-client. Thank you, Doctor. 😃❤️😃
Poor Jennair...I feel so bad for her situation. Sad. Meredith didn’t deserve to die either. He must have nightmares every night knowing what he caused....must be awful being him.
One of the most fascinating true crime stories, ever. The nitty gritty details in Mark's book are fascinating. I got it for a few bucks on Kindle. Great read. It's shocking that such a strong, independent woman would fall apart over a man to this extent.
At 10:20 that hit home lmao. That's exactly when and why my dad left my mom and family to start a new family with a women half his age. Had a new daughter too lmao. I will never understand just leaving a family and your kids for a women, just to restart a new family and x communicate ur other family
Sometimes things can’t really be understood because they’re too far beneath us. I’m sorry that was your experience, no doubt it was very sad, stressful & confusing as a kid.
I've known some people who were dating married men with hopes that they'd leave their wives for them. I always have one simple piece of advice: "If he is willing to cheat on his wife now, odds are that he'll be willing to cheat on your if you become his wife."
I'm sorry I don't think any man is worth doing all that surveillance for, if he's having an affair!!! I do know believe me, walk away, you deserve better!!!!! The grass is not always greener on the other side!!!! Great video!!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
When you get to the point where you’re sewing a tracking device in your partners clothes it’s time to go.
And changed them each day depending on which jacket he was going to wear. That a lot of sewing.
Exactly, and she left the person who cheated on her alive. Now he can just get a new younger woman 🤷🏿♀️
Agreed.
yes, it'll make one go crazy.
HELLO
Can’t believe the amount of content Dr. Grande puts out. He deserves ALL the subscribers!
I agree as well! He’s a very devoted creator 😊👌❣️
Right now, he deserves about 330 million subscribers. Thanks Doc.
So glad I stumbled across this channel! He’s absolutely amazing
ikr i'm so thrilled to see his channel grow
I can't believe in this day and age Meredith was living in a nice home that didn't have a security system.
Couple of things to keep in mind, Jennair had lost her job, left an area where she most likely had friends, and followed her husband because of his change in job. Then to be replaced, having seemingly nothing left for her. Not necessarily the fear of being alone, but more the loss of her whole world, and a future in jeopardy where once she had security. Must have been a huge shock
And she moved to Delaware. Someone not from here and not knowing anyone would have culture shock
The perfect storm 🥲
Keep in mind, she murdered a person🙄
If your entire world is your spouse, that is on you. Never a healthy situation.
@@TransKidRevolution wouldn't it be good to prevent that stuff in the future?
For example, I'm not exactly headed down a path of roses and sunshine. The intolerable experience of being so destroyed mentally you can't be self efficacious at all, you basically become like mentally deficient from the abuse 😂 so I can see how people EASILY hurt others in absolute blind rages. Everything is a grey haze, literally everything from you to your partner to morality. You die from these relationships with these narc types
"The course of infidelity is so predictable and obvious, except to those involved in it." You definitely hit the nail on the head with that statement, Dr. Grande!! You can never really be sure. Thanks for the in depth analysis on this case. Great job.
So true.
Can you please elaborate on the predictably of infidelity? Thanks.
"If somebody wants to leave a relationship, they can do that. But starting another first complicates the matter."
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OMG I REQUESTED THIS VIDEO OMG I NEVER THOUGHT U WOULD ACTUALLY DO IT
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That's how to Doctor Grande rolls.
Dr G is a man of the people!!!! Plain and simple he is fuckin awesome!!!!
I’ve had a couple, keep putting them out:)
Thanks for requesting it, I haven't heard of this case before
Heartbreak and betrayal can drive someone nuts if not managed appropriately
He was a milquetoast. No man is so great that he deserves two women.
I also believe that if the other woman hadn’t interfered in the marriage, none of this would’ve happened, and both women would still be alive today. It is a ghastly ghastly feeling to be left behind. If you do not have even moderately good self-esteem, it can be devastating and, as seen here, possibly deadly.
If a person decides to ignore the do not enter/no trespassing/danger signs, and climbs the fence and then gets mauled by the injured lioness within, that trespasser is as much to blame as the animal.
Caveat emptor.
@@robinrubendunst869 the other woman interfering was wrong, but the man is the one who had made a promise to his wife and he is ultimately responsible for betraying that promise. It's sad, but the wife should have let him go if he did not want to stay with her. Better to be alone than to be a dead murderer.
She was nuts beforehand
Damn straight.
@Julie Wilson Some men really never learn. This happens all the time.
I didn't even want to have anything with anyone that has anything to so with their ex(es). It never ends well.
“Sometimes it’s better to be left out of a plan” 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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I'm glad I was. Didn't feel that way when he traded me in for a younger model after 23 years, but I sure am now!
I mean he lied about the affair and tricked her into moving to a different state. Then dump her on valentines. How cruel
Yesss!!!
I think he knew that it would destroy her, and he was right.
It’s fucked up.. honestly I might be as cruel to because the women didn’t deserve what happens to her , i think it should have happened to him
@@lonemaus562 They were both cheaters/adulterers.Meredith didn't deserve the execution however.
And he had a one night stand with another woman. 3:48
There is no reason for an affair. If you’re unhappy then leave and find someone else. But cheating is wanting both what you had and what you want.
People usually won't leave until they find something better. People always want to be on the top of their game.
I get the point, but it does not match reality very well. He did move hundreds of miles away and wasn’t even living with his wife. It takes a long time to get divorced. Years in some cases. It takes five minutes to fall for someone else. This guy was clearly miserable in his marriage, but he just didn’t have the self motivation to unilaterally bail out. Then he met someone else and that gave him the motivation. Given that his wife ended up murdering someone just to make him live with the pain, I can imagine she wasn’t too wonderful to be around. She was a controlling and dominating person who married a timid guy. Why do you think she did that? I don’t exactly condone cheating, but no one is obligated to spend their one life miserable under someone’s thumb.
Totally agree. And they shouldn't lie. Be honest and own up to it. OR simply commit til the end. The problem is ppl take marriage lightly and they don't want to put in the effort to make it work.
thats what he did. dump him and go on with your life, don't kill. thx
@@stt5v2002 that’s true, but he should have had the strength to cut her off completely if it was that bad. He brought an innocent person into his own drama knowing his wife was a little unhinged. Gotta make a clean break when its time to go.
Oldest excuse in the book. "My wife never tells me I'm pretty anymore" 🙄
@TheReaper74 My wife doesn't understand me.
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Your videos are great. Not too long. Just the facts. I think I've watched most of them and appreciate the effort and the straightforward way in which you present.
Agree
You are the best!!!!
Jennair: I'm going to make you pay for breaking my heart
Mark Gerardot: Sells books
Yep.
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DONT BUY MARKS BOOKS..ITS WRONG
All proceeds from his book were donated to charity. The book was written at the suggestion of Mark's therapist.
No one wants to hear what he has to say....he's a liar.
I loved the new studio. Only thing is maybe get the camera closer like it's in this video. We want to see that handsome face up close Doc.
I am sorry, I respect and like Dr. Grande; however, I think his face is too close already. I don't need to see the tartar on his teeth...lol. Please add a plant or art work, or even a personal item in your office. -A fellow INTP👍
@@MeMe-mt6xv lmao
@@MeMe-mt6xv I'M DYING 😂😭
@@GigaElPro Thank you for laughing....all in good cheer 😊
Dunno, I quite enjoy this scope just fine. I think it's finished enough? Maybe wrong. He is lovely tho...
Should never mess with someone who is married!! They were all wrong!!
Doesn't matter, nothing justifies killing someone like that.
@@gaylefedelia6538 If she had kept her legs closed to a married man, she'd still be alive. That's the problem with being a side chick. You don't know what kind of crazy he got at the house. Now she dead.
@@HonSkrattar You don't even know them. But claim you don't like them? Smh.
@@mareelovely Smh.
I really don't think adultery should =murder😬
I remember this case. Jennair should have opened a private detective company.
Yeah, she was good at.
When going through such a situation, you develop a third eye 👁️
She became Jane Bond.
I think you should do an analysis on Gordon Ramsey
Now your talking yes please.
Yes! Agreed
Yes! Love Chef Ramsay!
Why, he is cracked.
Great idea!!
That mental health expert person who "diagnosed" Jennair with BPD based on that letter should have disclaimed with,
"Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing the person who wrote this letter, only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like the one the person is describing."
You mean the Typed letter that mark wrote?
Actually it's not uncommon for Borderlines to be attracted to Narcissists...a match made in hell.
It’s was a result of reactive abuse. Mark was a narcissist.
His wife never called him amazing?? Wonder why? He sounds great...
LOL!
Lazy wife. She should have started out his day with Pom-poms every morning.
@@martyal 😆
He’s single now, so...
because his wife was a psychopath. So he had every right to get away from his abusive partner and find someone loving and nurturing.
I like your point on her thinking of him as being mature yet him being in an affair with her showed his lack of maturity. What are the stats on relationships starting this way succeeding? Ofren people believe they are in love but are not. Whenever people confide in another person on more personal things they feel an emotional bond, but this is not necessarily being in love.
Some people just don't take rejection well.
It was so good for his mistress that she will never have to find anyone else to love.
@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness it never is wise to get a relationship going when either person is in a relationship or separated. Passions can run pretty high in even relatively normal people. I think people like to exaggerate how nuts they must have been to protect themselves from the idea they could be tempted to do the same.
@@jpp9876 I agree.
The stats on success are low. I was reading a book on some sort of psychological relationship counselors advice and he gave a low statistic on survival. He also mentioned that limerence cause fear to be inhibited and risk taking to be more likely which increases the appeal of the affair as it facilitates bonding.
You know eventually you're going to think, "if they did this with me, they might do it to me" and all that overestimated connection falls into a dark place of well deserved distrust.
When you find yourself sewing listening devices in your partner's clothing and tracking the person who they are having an affair with, it is time to seriously consider walking away
Building her divorce case at that point, I’m sure
@@thisblackgirlslife If she was planning a divorce, she wouldn't have been looking into couple's therapy and planning a murder/suicide.
Recording a conversation without the other person's consent, is felony, according to my previous family law lawyer. I imagine that murdering her husband's mistress would also make a family law judge, unsympathetic to her case.
@@Ona1979 Investigators routinely record/surveil their targets, and then glean what they can to be used by the divorce attorney.BTW- Some states are one party states meaning recording one other person without their consent is perfectly legal. I doubt Jennair had any rational plan and she hardly needed the sympathy of a family law judge since she took her own life.
Or getting professional help..immediately!
The problem is many people don't want to leave their failing marriages unless they have another person waiting for them, so that the transition could be seamless. Some people have a fear of being alone, or fear of working on themselves in therapy before starting another relationship, and that's why these love triangles happen. But it's also that some people like having their egos stroked by their paramours, which is a sign of narcissism, selfishness, and immaturity. It's sad that two people lost their lives when it could have all been handled differently.
Well said.
I think people don't necessarily see their failing marriage as an opportunity to look in the mirror and see their failings. Much easier to just blame the other person for all their setbacks. I think being self aware and conscious of your own mistakes is something you need before considering therapy. This guy (at least in the ABC interview) talks about this whole thing so passively, this all seemed to happen to him and at no point does he admit his wrong doing (although this might have been edited out). I feel like their marriage was on the rocks for a log time but neither of them communicated well otherwise they might have realised earlier just how unhappy they were. Although, if finances were a repeat tense topic then maybe they couldn't afford to live a part especially after she lost her job and felt reliant on him. I get the impression that if it hadn't of been Meredith, then it would have been someone else he found to make him feel good. I think if Jennair hadn't of lost her job (which increased the reliance on Mark); moved somewhere new (for Mark) and just been totally deceived (by Mark), then it could have turned out differently. I disagree with this guy needing to write a book and making money of this though.
Kind of like how people don't quit their current job before they get another.
Hairless primates love to avoid the ground, swinging from vine to vine.
@@wallera09 A lover of mine once told me "You don't throw away your old shoes until you know whether the new ones fit properly." He was referring to marriage and/or living together. That is it in a nutshell.
@@DrumWild Not sure abbout the hairless bit, but I certainly agree with your first sentence.
Don't cheat - leave!!! Look how Meredith and that lousy husband ruined their own lives and others. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the 2 cheaters, although Jennair was clearly unhinged. You never know how people will react to being profoundly betrayed.
Well, she was horribly betrayed and was giving up what she had - friends, job, etc - to move for the sake of the husband. As they were BOTH married, I lay the blame squarely on the insecure loser husband and Meredith. Bet her husband was feeling pretty betrayed as well. Doubt if this was Meredith's nor Mark's first affairs.
@@redsloane879 I agree totally. Meredith told people her husband Luke was fine with it all 😂 yeah right. The a-hole husband has a blog now where he lectures others. He RUINED his wife, he needs to go away and reflect on his selfishness.
Wow you are terrible people.
@@mikl3458 cry about it
Look at you people legitimizing murder. Yet if it was in reverse, you’d all be complaining about sexist men, and there would be a lifetime movie about it.
Dr. Grande, you are a "wonderful man, you are good at what you do, and you are amazing".
But the best thing about telling you that is that you are a man of integrity, devoted to your wife and family. Thanks for being you, and giving of yourself to us every day.
Maybe he’s cheating on us with another channel . . .
@@MasterMalrubius 😂
I guess the lock picking kit didn’t work seeing how Jennair still broke Meredith’s window.
Lmao! I didn’t even think of that 🤣
She just didn't know how to use it. It's a skill that takes a lot of knowledge and practice
Takes a lot of training
She used it on his office lock to bug his office.
Sad that some people place so much stock in other people's choices. If someone cheats on me, yeah it hurts, but they have free will and my entire existence doesn't depend on them.
Good perspective.
So. Damn. True.
Same here.
you are wise
Totally agree with you, but I think it was wrong of him to tell her after she moved to be join him. Of course, I'm not trying to place all the blame on Mark.
I'll never understand women that "fight" for their spouses after an affair, NEVER! How miserable it must be to live with a partner that no longer loves you and worse, can't stand you while loving someone else. I've had my share of bad relationships, one in particular that hurt like heck (still does) 🥺, because he left me and my little boy and started a new family with someone else 😭. While it's painful that someone I loved abandoned me and my child (completely abandoned because he is no longer in our lives in any manner whatsoever), I can't ever fathom killing anyone for this reason. Great analysis Dr. Grande 🤗😚.
I don't know how you post such quality content every day! Most channels need 2 weeks per video to make them so good!
Merideth asking Mark for a drink can tell us to the level of evil behind her, hello, there are single guys!
True, but in their age cohorts, most of the "good ones" are already married, and seeing as these two were looking not for just sex and attention, but an actual relationship that would go somewhere, it's not so easy to find. Of course the responsible thing to do would have for both to have gotten divorced asap, but some people need to learn the harder way.
Yea, but he was such a wonderful man. She couldn't help herself.
Maybe following it up with a kiss was wrong for both of them considering that they were both married.
Merideth was a homesteaders, cheater and liar. She knew Mark was married when she first interviewed him. The moral, responsible and right thing to do was NOT hire him. Mark knew his wife had left everything behind to follow him for his next job...he betrayed, cheated and lied to her from the beginning of accepting the job. This awful couple caused the death of Meridith and suicide of Jen.
@@misty4937 NO jenair did that. Shit happens in life and you just suck it up and move forward. The extreme stalking she did is mind blowing. If she’d put half that effort into finding a new job and getting some help no one would have had to die by her hands. I said what I said.
Dr. Grande can you do an analysis of yourself?! This would break the internet🤯
He can't. You can't analyze your own personality.
He'd probably need a colleague to do that. Can't truly analyze yourself.
He couldn't analyze or diagnose himself but speculate what could happen in situation like his.
@@dmcken4671 until you consume psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd or ayahuasca that are like mirrors into our unconscious/subconscious.
No, he can't. He lacks insight.
Dr. Grande, saw your thumbnail, looked around for some info before watching your essay/lecture. Realized your content was my best intro to this case. Thank you.
You’re right on the money with your analysis. You also have a reasonable solution. I, too was the wife in a triangle where my husband of seven years had an affair and left me with nothing financially. I was left to pick up the pieces of the aftermath. It is absolutely devastating. It’s now been a year and a half ago and i haven’t even begin to recover. Mentally or financially. I’m not sure if I ever will at the age of 56.
Give it all you got! You are worth it! Live for yourself and enjoy it!!!
Dr. Grande u r just pure gold ❤️
I love your channel and devotion to consistently uploading great content. Thank you Dr. Grande!
Excellent analysis of this very sad event. By far the most insightful voice of the many who have covered it.
She should have used all of her intelligence to see that dating a married man would go nowhere!
Problem is, all men are married.
she hada man too i think
I’m not in a love horizontal, or vertical, let alone triangle
LOL! Welcome to the club! 😄
Lmaooo me too girl
Same here! 🌷
Love is pure luck. Just like a lottery ticket, it does not interest me much. Makes it easier to go about in life 😊😊😊😊
LOL! The same with me! I'm so happy and fulfilled living with my three rescue cats. 🐈🐈🐈
Dr. Grande always does a phenomenal job of showing the sad and painfully human side of the murderer, while also maintaining a sharp view of reality (that what they did was wrong).
Excellent explanation of the effects of betrayal trauma. Very good reminder to consider the context when observing BPD behaviors -- this is a logical time to exhibit frantic efforts to avoid abandonment, a shifting self-image, and dramatic swings in emotion.
The mental health professional who read Jennair's letter: "I AM diagnosing someone in this letter, not speculating on what could be happening in a situation like this!"
Dr Grande shakes his head
I make sure to watch every ad because DR.Grande is that badazzz and deserves every cent my time can afford.
Doc you're killing it. The amount of content you produce is incredible. 👍
Great review, Dr. Grande. 👏👏👏 How do you have time to see patients, do research for youtube videos and time to record the videos? Do you get much sleep? 😊😊😊😊😊
You described the whole middle age affair/divorce thought process spot on!
Can you take a look at Philip Chism, he murdered his match teacher at school in the girls bathroom when he was 14. I just can't wrap my head around that.
A year ago I went through a massive breakup of a 10-year relationship after being cheated on and I loved the Thelma and Louise analogy and that sometimes it's "good to be left without a plan". It's not that I don't have plans but I do feel pretty sour about being left the way I was, so that was like music to hear.
But while I'm here I have to say, I'll never understand murder as a reaction to infidelity. As hurt as I am even a year on, there's still no way I'd ever even remotely entertain the thought. I don't even find it appealing. The level of entitlement and self-righteousness required to consider killing someone at all is staggering.
Great analysis. I especially liked the part where you stated that sometimes it is better to not be included in the plan. I had not thought about that great point!
Very well done, Dr. Grande. I followed this case intensely as I’m from NCC DE. I was saddened by the chain of events as it was gruesome. However, I liked your humor and analysis as it was just the right ingredients for healing.
Grande, your dry humor is so spot on. I wonder how easily these zingers come to mind as you're writing the scripts
Dr Grande - could you please give us your take on the Sherri Papini case? Do you think she was really kidnapped?
Total scam!
He told her he was having an affair/wanted a divorce on Valentine’s Day?
Horrible.
No wonder she cracked.
He couldn’t wait a few more days?
He obviously planned that.
I watched Kendall Rae’s video on this earlier. That man sucks. He orchestrated all of it. Drove his wife crazy. Manipulated both women. So sad.
Kendall Rae is a sellout
I firmly believe that most failed marriages have a joint-responsibility.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper No she isn’t, she literally is the least of a sellout on this entire platform. She raises so much money for charity and her demeanor is sincere in my opinion.
@@nighttrain1236 both parties involve agree with you, its the other persons fault.
@@alisonharrison8212 I think it’s just because she sensationalism of victims and her exclusion of black murder victims is just off putting
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave! When we first practice to deceive.” Thanks, Dr.G! Your hard work is appreciated!😍
@@seanguedry Hahaha Touché!
Dr. Grande! Love your analysis! Calling out all the fakery of Mark and "unprofessional" psychologists. We need to send this to Mark so he can understand how he was the stressor and he was living in a fantasy.
Also, more people need to understand relationships and marriage before jumping in to something. Why do people think they will be happier with a new partner?
And the saying: If they'll do it WITH you, they'll do it TO you. Doubt this was the first time either Mark or Meredith had affairs.
Why is it not possible that Mark could have started over and been happier with Meredith? Fact is Jenair was a controlling neurotic with victim mentality who had been with Mark since high school and never imagined he would leave..we should caution ourselves against such naivety pryer to our relationships, through adulthood….too many of us live in fantasy in our attempts to hold on……..Marc was not a bad person, jus5 bored and needed a change..…Meredith needed to be in counseling years before
@@redsloane879 that is not necessarily true!
Good job Dr Grande!
“ Sometimes it’s better to be left out of a plan “ mantra for peace .
@Sa Ge - Easier said than done ;-)
600K is fast approaching! Grateful for your hard work and dedication, Doc. Love you❤
Mark knew about his wife's instability. The reason he told her about Meredith on Valentine's Day is because he hoped she would commit suicide then he would be free to marry his lover & not have to pay Alimony or divide the assets. His plan backfired obviously
@glenasully -- are you serious? it's crazy to think he wanted her to commit suicide, but it's definitely plausible...people are not right in their heads nowadays.
I believe that was his plan. He knew she would get alimony if they divorced.
Your best analysis to date! Todd my overall impression of this analysis is that it shows you have profound insight regarding the tortured and twisted interpersonal dynamics involved with people who engage in cheating. Infidelity is a bad, bad scenario. Emotions run so high, in people that are unstable to begin with, that killing is almost not that unexpected or unusual. I remember reading somewhere in the Bible one time, Proverbs, I think, where it says 'expect a bloody nose or a black eye, for jealousy detonates a rage.' What a mess. I am left with a bad feeling for everyone - I hope there were no children involved.
Not related specifically to the video here - but I would love to hear Dr Grande talk a little about Cognitive Dissonance. I think that now a lot of people are being confronted by situations that conflict with their preconceptions.
A person that is a little more developed, has more awareness
( the self reflective mirror)
Will experience an inner distress when acting in ways that are contrary to ones inner impulses.
Basically a more evolved person has an opening to their deep sub-concious intellegence and communication can be received as an uneasy feeling that's says dont go there.
Conversely one may get a feeling that says yes, do that!
This is ones internal spritual communication and would be wise to follow.
This could also be refered to as intuitive or psychic feeling/communication.
Everyone should make honing the inner feeling ones primary purpose.
This is done by placing feeling in the body where that intuitive feeling can be felt and followed.
Learn to meditate, practice physical Yoga postures, follow the breath.
All of these spritual practices will engage ones inner GPS and life will become the miraculous, as it's meant to be!
Just witnessed my ex sister in law go through this. My brother in law now lives with his mistress. Sad.
I hope she heals
This was very informational Dr. Grande. I don't condone the action of the wife but I feel her pain and understand how she snapped. An affair and the feeling of betrayal destroys lives.
Dr Grande is pumping out the videos lately!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
I like how Mark tries to come off as totally innocent. I’m not saying it’s his fault. I’m just saying he paints a picture as if he was an angel.
Most of us know better. Mark nor his 32 year old married boss were innocent.
I just love your content, your consistency and your nerdy book smart cuteness!
Laughing at Dr. Grande saying "lovey dovey conversation". Am I wrong?
Well considering that I'm a Senior Citizen I really appreciate it when You use words that are new to my ears !! Today You used the word pernicious ! I've been told that for my education level, I have an extensive vocabulary, but I'd not heard the word pernicious. Not only am I old, but I go old school when researching anything. So after hearing my new word for the day, I headed straight to My Webster's Dictionary 😄 THANKS Dr. G !! I still Love Learning. You have a Wonderful Week ! Take Care & Stay Safe. 🙏 & ✌️ & ❤️ 🌵🌵🌵
She killed the wrong person. Mark sounds like a real peach of a man.🙄🤬
11:40
He didn’t want to be famous but went on talk shows and said he was writing a book. An odious man.
@@sherunswithscissors he was a victim of an abusive psychopath, good for him for making money off this tragedy he suffered.
@@Vivi_9 are you serious? disgusting man making money off the misery and death his actions caused
thats disgusting. Neither of them deserved to be murdered.
Lord this was a BREAKDOWN!!!! I believe Dr Grande needs to give marital advice because this was very succinct and concrete bon mots about the fantastical nature of affairs. Makes me curious about that bonus content down to the Patreon 🤔🏃🏾♀️💨
Why didn't he give his mistress a heads up after that last call?
Kinda fishy
@Julie Wilson thank you for pointing that out!
@Julie Wilson could you elaborate, please? Narcissist triangulation it's called? I think I was at the receiving end of something like this. I'm not trolling, it's an honest question.
@Julie Wilson right on. Thanks much
He tried. I watched the 20/20 doc on it and as soon as he got the texts with the the trash pic from his wife, he called Meredith and didn’t get an answer. I’m assuming the wife texted him after killing Meredith.
There’s not enough heartaches that would make me commit murder. If they want to leave let them.
Yes, but you're a level headed, sane person. This chick, not so much. Cheating is like playing with fire. And you know the old saying about that.
The best part is that I don't know half of these cases and I still watch the movies 😂
I really liked and appreciated your point of view. I feel like this is a good video for someone to watch if they’re in a spouse/ partner cheating situation. Very mature and compassionate to everyone involved. Reminds me of why I like your videos.
Spot on with the Thelma and Louise analogy! Yes. I'm stealing that to explain to a love one why they are better off rebuilding rather than regretting . Perfect!
I love you, Dr. Grande!!
But in a professional, non schoolgirl crush way.
.....just kidding!! It's totally in a schoolgirl crush way 😳
Great analogy it gives me comfort.
Well, you just explained half of my relationships. Without the murder element, of course.
Why would you make a joke about this?
@@aprilkatie6752 Because joking keeps us alive.
@pepernst - Well we all tend to repeat our history, don't we? ;-)
I'm looking at the date, because surely this is a repeat. It is:. I've seen this story repeated so many times, just without the murder/suicide. I'm old now, living in a place where there are many retired, bitter ex-wives. Thank you for your professional and compassionate take on these situations, Dr. Grande.
What Jennair did was absolutely wrong. That said, I believe there is plenty of blame to go around. I also believe Mark's "story" is self serving. Jennair isn't here to defend herself and he can say whatever he wants about her. I don't believe him.
What a disastrous outcome. I wonder if the whole "trading in for the younger model" type of idea has anything to do with narcissism in a way. Either way, sad case all around.
@@sebastiansmith5524 Well he shoulda thought about that before committing to a marriage.
Every and all things are related to narcissism. In modern psychology the word narcissism must be in every sentence
@@willnill7946 There are varying degrees of it to where it becomes pervasive and disruptive. That's why I said "narcissism", and not a less severe word like "egotistical."
Is "trading up" selfish? Maybe. But that doesn't mean it has to do with being narcissistic in every instance. That's what I'd be interested in hearing the doc discuss.
@Scott Robinson "dr." Was used for teachers before it was used for medical practitioners. You must have no life to go around spamming unrelated videos 🤡
@@sebastiansmith5524 more like milk, while men age like wine
Can't thank youtube enough for recommending me your channel, Dr Grande!!!
Best regards,
from Russia 🇷🇺♥
Reminds me of the pair of scissors analogy of marriage. The blades move apart and together and if you get between them, they'll cut you in two.
Excellent synapsis, Dr. Grande. You are the TOPS!!
Just watch a movie called Life on Redbox.
It's about James Dean & a photographer.
Dean's mom died when he was young.
His dad had to move him to Indiana because he couldn't take care of him.
His mom's coffin was on the train with him on the way to Indiana.
Each stop he ran into storage to check on her.
Long story short, I believe, it appears Dean has depression.
It comes off on the screen in his movies..
Check it out, would like to know your thoughts.
The 'Life' photographer also has problems...for another show.
excellent analysis!
He told his wife he's having an affair on Valentine's day? Good lord 🤦♀️
I liked yesterday’s new video setup a lot, but i like the closer distance to the camera on this video and all your others because we can see your face better.
I couldn’t agree more!
@@foxieroxieok
Dr. Grande should drop his note pad and bend to pick it up,while giving his female fans a real treat................
A quick glance at his tush!🧔🩳
OH! DR. GRANDE!🤗😳🤗😏😉
@@erikparent8176 Be still my heart!
@@erikparent8176 I am a married woman and us married women have to keep it on the up and up. Of course I would avert my eyes under such circumstances.👀
@@foxieroxieok
Me too, if I was married but I'm not, so my eyes are all over the place, like googly eyes!👀
And a roving eye👁
Oh man, the amount of effort Jennair put into trying to catch her husband cheating. that woman could’ve found a successful surveillance or PI company.
Dr. Grande definitely added to my perspective and understanding of this unfortunate case.
Thanks for the analysis. That's really great.
Great video Dr. Grande.
Doc, not trying to knock your new setup but I love this setup because it's more organic.
Yes, yes, yes. Would be very kind if you would repeat this comment, so that he can't ignore it. 😆👍😊
@@mrs.reluctant4095 - Glad to see you again.
@@sherunswithscissors 🙂 Hi!
I like the brick, but it's a bit stark. The closer angle in this video, the few objects in the room, create a sense of intimacy, like you're talking to him in his office.
@@matth5734 Exactly.
Perfect analysis of affairs. Absolutely spot on.
Please cover Andy Kaufman, thanks Dr. Grande, thank you very much!
Yes! Andy Kaufman! What a brilliant idea @Rayross
Thanks Dr. Grande, cannot wait to find you on Patreon. Thanks for all the caution in them, I’m already guessing. Let’s see, you were the skilled counsellor.... or you had a similar-client. Thank you, Doctor. 😃❤️😃
Poor Jennair...I feel so bad for her situation. Sad. Meredith didn’t deserve to die either. He must have nightmares every night knowing what he caused....must be awful being him.
No one deserves to die, but I think we all know by now that messing with someone who is married is a dangerous game.
Can't believe you have sympathy for Meredith. Horrible person with no morals.
One of the most fascinating true crime stories, ever. The nitty gritty details in Mark's book are fascinating. I got it for a few bucks on Kindle. Great read. It's shocking that such a strong, independent woman would fall apart over a man to this extent.
At 10:20 that hit home lmao. That's exactly when and why my dad left my mom and family to start a new family with a women half his age. Had a new daughter too lmao. I will never understand just leaving a family and your kids for a women, just to restart a new family and x communicate ur other family
Yep. Largely men that seem to do this, I've found.
Sometimes things can’t really be understood because they’re too far beneath us. I’m sorry that was your experience, no doubt it was very sad, stressful & confusing as a kid.
Keep the excellent & interesting content coming, Dr. G!
I've known some people who were dating married men with hopes that they'd leave their wives for them. I always have one simple piece of advice: "If he is willing to cheat on his wife now, odds are that he'll be willing to cheat on your if you become his wife."
Dr Grand, you are brilliant. Your program is easy to follow and extremely thorough. Thank you.🇨🇦
I'm sorry I don't think any man is worth doing all that surveillance for, if he's having an affair!!! I do know believe me, walk away, you deserve better!!!!! The grass is not always greener on the other side!!!! Great video!!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Very insightful, and the Patreon addendum was the cherry on top.👌🏼
Thank you for another excellent video Dr. Grande!❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!