Is This All A Scam??? // Living in an off grid community in Panama
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Did you two even notice that Kake waited until you both got your driver's licenses before he left? Kake is a kind and considerate man.
@One Time yes! Rodrigo needs to educate himself, find an attorney pro bono (I'm sure he can't afford to pay one) to advocate for him and get everything in writing. If these two go belly up, if an unforseen catastrophe occurs or they decide to sell the land, where does that leave Rodrigo? And leaving him to work on that massive A-frame alone? 😳 I hope they have property insurance...an accident just waiting to happen.
*THANK YOU* !!!! I was going to post that, but wanted to see if anyone else did. Didn't they get their citizenship, too?
Wow..what a guy!!❤
@@jujubean7254 Kake? Yes.
and everyone pisses on his FORE HEAD and tells him that its raining out side/people have to stop USING PEOPLE//
As a retired business owner and manager with 40+ year's experience it's never a good practice to be close friends with your employees. Be fair and be in charge but don't let it get personal.
Yep. Eventually something is going to erupt that affects both sides of the relationship. Same with lending friends money. If they are a dear friend i'd rather give it to them than to risk the hard feelings on both sides should they not pay it back.
Totally agree!
Yes sir....as hard as it can be, it's an impossible dream to be close with your employees and not have some issues. It can cause jealousy between the employees, they can come to expect more from you than you give to others, it sometimes can cause the employee to feel superior towards others....even with you. It would be cool if everyone got along like a family but in all reality it's just not possible.
I have had great relationships with employers and enjoy their friendship. As an employee who may leave in fall for 6-8 weeks to make more money, I don't relate to my boss for getting mad. I was surprised, why wouldn't he, as a friend, be gracious and look forward to my return. It took him 8 months to call me and ask me to come back to work but when I had a chance to make real money again and told him a month in advance...and he gave me the green light...he later rescinded that agreement on the day I was leaving...because someone else broke their foot, someone else was on vacation for another week...etc. I went anyway. When I did get back, it took him 3 weeks to call me and he was hard, demanding and even wanted to switch to hourly and not salary. I agreed but when I put my hours worked in he complained. Sometimes it is not the employee, it is the employer that causes the problems with expectations that are ridiculous. A few weeks out of a year I have the opportunity to make 70k it is not a given, not always available but when I get the chance, I want to go. I always come back it is the f'd up attitude of the employer that causes all the problems. I am happy to do the work and be there when it's time to turn to it, but hey be happy for me when I get the call to go make serious buck. And don't punish the worker like my employer, who refused to pay my vacation time earned and leave pay earned. If I go back now, I deserve his butthead attitude. Burn me once and I can forgive you, do it again and never again.
Same reason why you never hire family members
A learning lesson in running a community environment.
This will only make you a better community leader in the future. Keep growing and keep going there’s wonderful things to come.
Think it is time to come up with a new plan to be more reciprocal to those on the farm....you did not build your shop by yourselves...maybe a better schedule for disperment of your time you can actively help each other...think that will help with the communication
Sure, he was paid 15$/hour but how many billable hours did he work? It absolutely does not make sense that he supposedly received 4k $ a month and still left in the way he did.Coming from Venezuela where the monthly minum is less than 200 bucks. Getting paid 15 $ an hour does not mean anything if you only work a couple of hours a week. You did not even mention what hourly/monthly rate did Adriana receive for being a babysitter, etc.
My Daddy would say that if you learned something in error, then it was just that, a learning experience. If you didn't learn from it, then it was a mistake. You guys learned something. I'm sure Kake did as well. You two are great but not perfect. Keep going. Hold your head high and continue to love one another and that sweet baby.
🙏🏻❤🙏🏻
No one is perfect😔
We all make mistakes and we learn from them. You are so young, life will give you so many more lessons. Don’t be too hard on yourselves, Kake should bear some of the respond not coming to you earlier and communicating that he needed to find other ways to work things out. Love you guys, hang in there💕
Kake is solely responsible for his own happiness. Shame on him for running and not showing respect, gratitude or grace in this situation-being a coward = false ego.
I agree with you..100%..I hope they can find a way back to each other.
I feel like things probably could've been changed if he had just come to them before he let resentment pile up and then just leave with no discussion.
Totally agree. It takes two to tango. People have mouths for a reason, to express themselves. If he wanted to leave, he can leave but, there is a correct way of doing things.
@@sceleste888 It's actually "Two to Tango" but the same way YOU made that error perhaps because you grew up hearing others misuse that saying the same goes for Kake & Adriana. Their cultural background is completely different than K&J & when you don't know TO DO SOMETHING HOW CAN YOU BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?
I really like Kake and Adriana. I am sorry they left the farm. You all seemed so great together. I hope it gets worked out to meet everyone’s needs. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It warmed my heart every time Sadie would be picked up for her language lesson. That is a relationship that I thought was just going to be really wonderful for Sadie but like I said before I guess they weren't meant to live on that plot of land for years to come there's somebody else that's going to feel that spot that is going to bless you guys as you bless them.
DITTO🙏🙏
I'll ask then, what did Kake and Adrianna want out of life other than being employees of J and K? Did you wonder? Did J and K wonder, or ask or care? These aren't characters in a TV show, these are real people and don't live for your couple days per week amusement. That includes J and K, do you really care what happens to anybody outside your TV show?
@@Nikkithedog-t6b lol wtf chill out boi
@@Nikkithedog-t6b it's nobody else's job to ask what they want out of life. It's their own job to make sure they communicate their needs and wants and you have no idea if they hadn't had that conversation with them before. Not to mention nobody knows exactly why they left, only that there was resentment. Until we hear from them we can't just assume it was Jordan and Kailees fault for the lack of communication. Also...T.v show? They want us to follow along with them and we cannot just know everything even if we do care what's going on behind the scenes.
This is why I have so much love and respect for you guys. Even if mistakes were made, you owned up to them and you are learning how you can do better in the future. Wishing many blessings to all the beings of Lola’s farm ❤️❤️
There were a few times I noticed Jordan giving Kake seemingly friendly verbal jabs, and even when it happened I thought it was inappropriate coming from his boss.
True. He often called him "Caca" which means poop. The jokes were always surrounding farts, smells and poop which is offensive in this country. Especially coming from an employer.
Well done both of you. At the ripe age of 83 I’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons. And I’m the better for it. You are wonderful, generous people. Keep your heads up. ❤️
Anyone with you more than 4 or 5 video would easily see your genuine caring and admirable efforts. You guys are great, and for over 2 years a source of good vibes, thanks!
Appreciated the update and also respect the details being kept between the two groups. I hope that you guys can remain friends and hope that we see that in the future even if the farm isn’t for them. Please continue to put out content that reflects your vision.
What about child care?
No one mentioned impact on baby not having her panamanian " nanny"
And not hearing another language( other than English)....good luck.
I would like to see him tell his side of the story
Does Rodrigo's labor on the goat barn and his daily work with the goats, and other labor, etc. go toward paying off his debt for materials. If anything, his A-Frame and his labor is making your corporation more valuable. You shouldn't make him pay for the materials if it's all his own labor. I still think there needs to be a clearer contract to protect Rodrigo.
Rodrigo lives there because he wants to, if he has a problem communication is key.
@@nancyroberts1792 well... he is 22 years old...also communicating in English as his second language might be an issue. He trusts J&K. He was told he was "given" that piece of land. But does he understand that he doesn't REALLY own the land that he is building that house on?
@@DOLfirst he is not dumb, of course he knows. English is also my second language (I'm Panamanian)
@@ravicasi "of course he knows" . How are you so certain? I'm just concerned for his future. He might be under the impression that they "gave" him that land...but that is not true. Does he own the deed? Unless J&k paid in full for the land THEY don't even own the deed yet. So, they CAN'T legally give it away. If they took a loan out from a bank, the bank owns the property until it's paid off. We do not know this information and Rodrigo needs to educate himself or seek legal advice.
OHHHH NO ONE SAYS IT BETTER THEN YOU////////////IM ON YOUR SIDE//
Living in a community is sooo HARD. I feel for both you guys and Kake. Sometimes when we let our resentment build, mole hills turn into mountains and problems seem unfixable and the only solution seems to be to leave because the problems are too big to tackle. I would recommend when you have new community members ask them how they prefer to have tough conversations eg. in a group vs one on one. And be checking in ATLEAST once a week. I wish you guys the best.
I would love to better understand what your communication breakdown with Kake was and how you were unable to resolve things to the point that they are just gone. I feel like you did a great job of giving us the jist of the issue in the video and I also understand that the comment section of the video isn't necessarily the place to discuss it. I have not listened if you gave an email address so, I don't have that. I, as I'm sure is the case with you and many others, really like Kake and felt he made an awesome addition to the farm and your videos. I'm guessing that you did everything you could to resolve whatever issues caused them to leave in such an abrupt and final way. I just wish you could work it out to have them back. All that being said, good luck as you work through this.
I'm sure this will all turn out for the best
@@bobschwartz9279 EHFAR
I did notice a sadness in Kake. When the part happened where they went over to see the bus and talked about “their bus” and how they missed it, but they weren’t saying that it shouldn’t have been given to Kake to live in or that they wanted it back. Kake had a sad look on his face, not that he wanted anything more but that he just didn’t feel that he had as much of a heads up in his life as Jordan and Kailey were given coming from America. A sadness too because he was carrying his elderly dog everywhere probably wanting to not be too far if his little friend needed him. Not to be so busy working on the farm that he might miss something his little dog needed. I’m just saying that I’m sure he felt some kind of pain in his heart because I could feel it when I watched the videos.
I’m just mentioning this now because I want you all to know that Kake loves you guys deeply. Time will heal these hurting spots for everyone. It is all going to be okay. 😔🙏 Just allow yourself some time and eventually Kake will be back in the farmily one day doing something that he enjoys and that is in some way helpful to the farm. It will need to be on Kakes terms because he is a very dear man who goes all out to help, but he couldn’t help but wonder if he were being taken advantage of just as Jordan and Kailey may have at times felt that they were being taken advantage of. It is all the way this world works and it’s confusing because any sort of miss communication or confusion is not from God. Unfortunately, the enemy of this world has a way of working overtime in the minds of humans and therefore they will react instead of seeing things more clearly. In time, all will see and hear clearly and there will be no confusion about anything. It will take a little time though. I’m so sorry that there was this kind of sadness that has fallen onto you all because we really should all forgive quickly, in lightning speed and love so deeply. Trusting that no one is purposefully trying to take advantage of anyone. Everyone just needs to chill for a while. Good job to you guys for carrying on. There’s nothing more you can do if you already apologized for the miscommunication then continue on. Lifting y’all each up in prayer for wisdom and understanding of each other’s hearts. 💕 All is well. 🙏❤️
So true on everything you said. Well said 👏.
Sounds like u know Kake well. Also sounds like Kake might have felt he would also have been given the help u were giving Rodrigo if u read between the lines. Just tell Kake we will miss him and hope time heals all wounds.
Did Kake tell you this? That he was sad or is it just speculation? No drama, just wondering.
This is just something I observed from watching the same videos everyone watched. I do not know him personally. I could just see a sadness in his eyes and that he might be experiencing something he needed to speak about. I hope he will always be able to in the future after this situation. I feel like all will be well for him and the whole farmily eventually though. Love deeply and forgive quickly in every situation because life is short.
@@kimberlytelle8313 yes I totally agree. The enemy is working hard to confuse, cause fear and jealousy and envy. Wanting what others have and not feeling like you measure up. Comparing each others situations, you know? I'm in my late 50s , I have alot of experience living in other countries with other people as roommates, housemates and employees. Messy is a good way to phrase a situation like Jordan said. I pray also for all of them to continue to grow, trust and forgive quickly. Move forward and live happy and as transparent as possible. In my mind this has been good for their channel and content. Telling the truth and being vulnerable as well as willing to learn from this situation. God Bless you all. Kisses to that beautiful baby, Miss Sadie.
Thank you for your honesty and integrity, and sharing in such a respectful way towards Kake and Adriana. Everyone in this situation has their own responsibility for their part of it, you can't carry it all, and as you said, a real learning moment. I've explored many communities - not living in them but researching and visiting - and this is not an easy road but a beautiful and worthy one nonetheless. As the years go by, each community learned and shifted, and there were always comings and goings, joy and heartbreak - like with any family or in society. You're amazing people and as one of your audience, I appreciate your transparency and I hope that any negative comments from people just fly over your head because you know who you are, and how hard you try, and that's all there's to it. Big love from Vancouver Island
No way I could've said it better!! My thoughts exactly, but much more eloquent, Thanks
...from North Vancouver
I’ve never commented before, but I value your approach at how you’re dealing with this surprise. As viewers, we were all shocked also. We all make mistakes in life and this video shows a maturity that not many people possess. Communication in a community is key. I follow you as I’ve recently moved to Costa Rica and am building a place from scratch with my husband. We’re going through ups and downs all the time because everything is so fresh (building water, solar, house, road, etc.). We are choosing not to do it with a community element because we’re both introverts, but I see the amazing pros beyond this bump on your journey. You can’t foresee ever circumstance that comes but I just want to send you all some love and appreciation for sharing and being so honest in your experience that is this life. 🙏
I agree that you are working a learning curve. Kaka may realize the divide had sides. But until then... the viewers like me are supporting your journey.
I have only just come across your channel, it is weird watching this as back in the 80's I lived in an off grid community, there were about 14 of us and we grew our own food, had a shire horse to move things around and all worked together.
It was not an easy life BUT it was a great life, one of the hardest things I found was how people all have different ideas and views and that is what caused problems, we had weekly meetings, all ate together etc but it was still very difficult.
I wish you all the best with your project, I now live on a canal boat in the UK after 30 years living on the road.
That’s how it is in Christiania Free Town in Copenhagen. It’s gone quit tech and is in the middle of the capital but it’s going strong for decades. I think it’s durable if the people make rules meet expectations and the flow of not thinking that it’s the same people who starts as later in the process.
We've been watching since you guys crossed into Mexico with Trent and Allie, what a wonderful journey its been 🥰 Its all part of the process. Trust that everything happens for a reason and maybe this will open up a new opportunity for you guys 🤷♀️ We travel in a 41' converted school bus (with no inside shower) with a toddler and you guys have been a huge inspiration to us! We just bought some land in Arizona, given a completely different climate, but you guys have shown us that its not impossible to live off grid. We love you guys and feel like you're our friends ❤ You guys are doing an awesome job, nobody is perfect, keep up the good work.
I second all the comments:). Every thought I had, was already mentioned- so I shall just say please let Kake & Adrianna know how loved they are, and they will be missed, but we wish them well with whatever they are doing now! We love you all! God bless!!
Shown that it’s not impossible to live off-grid? All rural life before the 1920s didn’t show you that? The Amish don’t still show you that? Remote farms in the midwest aren’t proving it every day? What the…
Just another thought. If Kake and Adriana definitely aren’t coming back, maybe you could use the van for visitors who come for a month or two at a time, be self sufficient while there, and help out as payment for staying. A win, win. U could get help and the visitors get an amazing experience. Just a thought.
That's a great idea 💡!🤔
I remember very early on they were talking about this being something they would do in the future. Once they developed the property enough.
There’s communities around the country who do this in that people visit and help work with a tier system to eventually wanting to join or not.
If you could check out some of these communities this would be a great way to build the community with others and potentially eliminating the hassles of abrupt moments like this.
Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage is one of many examples of ways to integrate members FT or have help with visiting tourists who work and contribute while enjoying their stay
I have always loved your heart for community and for what you're building there. The sad reality is that these kind of things will happen and may even happen again. It's not necessarily because you did anything wrong but because we are human. Relationships are difficult and often unpredictable but you guys are showing incredible maturity in accepting your part in what happened and seeking to grow from it. I pray that your relationship with Kake and Adrianna can be healed, even if they don't return. A flower blossoms and those blossoms die and fall off, only for the plant to bloom once again, but with even more flowers. This is what will come of this difficult time. Hang in there, you two! Keep doing what matters and you will flourish! You are amazing!
Very well said! ❤️
best comment for healing!
Me,too.I hope they find a way back to each other. They made a great little "family "
Just take one day at a time what you guys are trying to build is so unique mistakes will happen.
I love your illustration about flowers!!! It is so appropriate and true👍
I do enjoy watching you build and the progress you have made, The ups and downs of life on the farm and the continuous sunset, drone, and time-lapse photography but what I didn’t hear is how you were going to miss Kake's jokes, humor and camera skills.
You started this dream with just the two of you. The last few years has been just what everyone needed and for some, that was enough. Animals, nature and children prove how resilient we all are. I hope Kake lands in a good spot and reminisces on the good times.
I hope people stop using KAKE//HE IS A GREAT GUY//
@@florencecavallaro4599 no one said he wasn't a great person. It worked until it didn't. This is a perfect example that people need to speak up over good things or bad. People can't be blamed just because they aren't mind readers. And you probably shouldn't judge because none of us knows these people or their histories.
What you all are doing is beautiful and I feel sad that there is a need for you to explain so many things to the public. I feel like the majority of the folks that follow you understand what you are doing and that this is a very progressive and outside the box way of life. You are such a positive example right now on a planet that needs creative people. Your ability to learn and to share that learning is amazing. I think so many people support what you do because we truly want to believe that the way you are living is possible. Sorry for your struggles right now. ❤️
Ditto on all counts.
@@patsykluting-lucas3804 What ? you know what I'll keep my comment to myself because I could easily tell you what I think about your telling someone you don't even know or know what really is going on your not there that they got thete priorities wrong or in the right place..
Wow ! not an ounce of class or heart or compassion or knowledge
I'm sorry (not sorry) to say that I also was young and made lots of costly mistakes. I think that is life, at least life for anyone who is trying to do something different and communal in a new culture. It's incredibly complex. Many people don't attempt anything nearly this complex. Big risks and big rewards will be part of the process. I only hope the joy in journey will also be big.
@@patsykluting-lucas3804 why would you watch something that brought you so much discomfort 😅
So, so beautifully said Shanni...eyes filled with tears as I read it. Every word is in my heart as well for Jordan and Kaylee and Lola's Farm. All they are working to create and all who are sharing in that process with them.
I feel this so close to home. I lived at several communities with such a variety of ways they were managed. I agree with so much of what you guys have said. Communication is key and the hard times have so many lessons in them, so no matter what you are growing and learning. Never a failure. My partner and I would love to visit you guys some day and work exchange. Thank you for sharing 💕
I'm very happy that you guys made this video to clarify. I never assumed any wrong doing or anything like that! I'm just glad you clarified for the people who did assume things and others who believed the comments they were reading on the last video
Honestly, he's an adult. He could have come out and communicated, at any point, that he was feeling the way he was and the lines were blurry with being an employee. It shows great humility and maturity that you guys were able to use this as a learning experience and own up to it anyway and acknowledge how to make things work better from your end next time. It's great you can find a way to learn and grow from this but try to also remember that this is not solely your doing. A relationship works two ways, and to bail without communicating is his issue, not yours. You guys are beautiful and have all my love and respect.
I disagree, he was at a disadvantage seeing as they are his boss. In my opinion they came across as white saviors that didn't notice other people's discomfort.
Let's be honest, they moved to another country and expected people to want to do things for THEM.
How do you know if any of that is true?
We aren't all from the same path. Communication is more than just cracking jokes on a person who isn't feeling like everything said..... is a joke.
Who's to blame say and why Kake? Those two ppl were good to Jordan and Kaylee!
@@DeborahAnneWeber because a mature person knows what it means to speak up for themselves, and what it takes to make a sound relationship hold long term. Kake shit the bed here.
@@DeborahAnneWeber that was an immature response. Couldn't come up with anything better?
It’s called growth! Not all things are going to be great when you’re growing. Bravo for taking things head on and reflecting on your OWN decisions. That will keep you moving forward! I can’t speak for everyone but I’m sure there’s hundreds, maybe thousands, of other people ready to take his place
Having followed you for years and watched your up and down moments I know this has been a hard heart crushing blow. I, for one, appreciate your honesty and commitment to sharing and telling the truth. I believe to are totally genuine. In today’s world there is a lot of negativity. For me the cup is ALWAYS have full. You all hang in there. I for one have your back! I’m 75 but feisty! Sending love to you all. 🤗💝
Jordan and Kaylee, thank you for this video. I can see from your faces you are still grieving over this loss at the farm. I’m really sad this happened. I know you’ll all recover and find a new normal as you should. However, since Kake was part of the family we all have grown to love I wish if you talk to him again you will tell him that many of us probably would love to hear from him too. We would like a way to reach out to him as well. He may not want that but I just had to say it because we have loved watching him and Adrienne as part of the community there. I want him to know along with you guys that we support and love you all and will miss him from the channel
I applaud your decision to not employ community members. When I first became a manager in my younger days, I thought I could remain friends with my employees, but that is a fantasy. Eventually, you will have to insist they do something they don't like, or you will have to provide what is called "coaching" these days (otherwise known as a reprimand), etc. And if you don't lead, coach, or otherwise "manage" your employee, they will walk all over you because, in their minds, it's okay because of your special relationship. I learned the same way you just did, and I'm sure that's common. Keep your business associates separate from your friends and never do business with family.
*KUDOS KAKE! That was a intentional bad-ass move which made a powerful statement to J&K. Moving out was the smart thing because now you can effectively communicate your grievances to K&J as a man and EQUAL that has no obligation to them.* As your employer and landlord it would have been impossible to have an open conversation with Jordan. I know some of us wish we could somehow hear YOUR truth. You're a great human being and talented videographer so let us know if you ever start YT channel. Kake and Adriana wishing you love, peace, and many many more blessings. 💙🙏💙
Hope they get to see what I posted:
Kaylee! 3:00 mark... They don't own the land!! It's you & Jordan's "corporation" that owns the land that you & Jordan control & own. Obviously, you & Jordan retain controlling "shares" of your corporation's 500 shares. So, Kake & other "share holders" won't ever really own their land share (50 shares = 1/4 acre) outright - it's always under you & Jordan's control.
Did Adriana get paid separately or was that to be shared w/Kake's salary? And where was their land? All we saw was a mold-infested short-bus w/no bathroom/shower. Was it heated? Did it have a functioning kitchen? Who paid for gas to drive you around? How did Adriana inherit "responsibilities" while Kake's shares didn't increase it seems?
Share-holders? Or share-croppers or just a plantation trying to look progressive while exploiting Panamanians?
@@DeborahAnneWeber plantation? Wow!!! They knew the condition of the short bus and they accepted it, if they didn’t like it then why even stay there?
@@WARGHOST They didn't. They left.
@Hates Spam me, too. Notice how few are mentioning how Kake left *AFTER* J&K got their citizenship & driver's license... that seemed to be out of consideration for his shareholders... J & K
@Hates Spam Exactly!!
You both are amazing. So giving, so kind and so supportive. I started and was the director of a large Progressive Holistic Health Center and I totally agree.. not to live with people you're paying. And what proved to work the best for team communication was everyone sending an email to a communication coordinator 2 times a month outlining the three things you're most grateful for being part of the Center and up to three things you would like to see expand or improve. Then founder or founders of that community can review each one and increase clarity. Also giving people were never a problem.. people that weren't that giving often were a problem. They could see kindness as an opportunity to take advantage of someone. I know you both will be continually blessed 🌟💖
I not pissed off at you in any regard. You have blessed that community in invaluable ways. Not only financial and with your love and friendships, but helped them to see that dreams can come true if you have the courage to pursue them.
Your first priority is caring for Saddie. That’s where your focus has to be. It’s a teachable moment however.
Thank you. Sending you much love and respect!!
I hope that Kake and Adenna value their good fortune and friendships on Lola’s Farm. I wish them well. And hope they can put their bruised egos aside and be humbled by the experience.
Random thought: Maybe the goats and puppies are too much to deal with right now. Perhaps find them other homes. And focus on gardening and building and your crew’s wellness in effort to avoid unnecessary burdens. It’s stressful enough as it is. Enjoy the process. Bless up!
Every so often a energetic shift happens with in a community like yours. I live on 80 acres and live the same kind of way though it is not off grid we are going that direction and organic living. We have opened up to build a community but after 10 years we have halted because of people not following through and wanting more and more and more. I noticed when things started happening is when we had to make a change to make something easier on someone else for what ever reason. The best thing I learned for communicating was what we called blind communicating where all question where asked on paper and and answers where written down. We used a computer where everyone answers where anonymous. It was also a free place to to type out any struggles or concerns. Like a weekly emotional diary that only I was able to see. It helped so much to know where people were at. If you guys would like the format I used feel free to reach out to me I would happily email it to you. One of my Favorite mantras has become this situation does not define me because this to shall pass.
Yes, I think this "blind communication" is great! It allows people of all communication types (as a very strong introvert with ADHD I am not comfortable airing out grievances or voicing an opinion that differs from the majority) to be able to speak their minds annonymously and comfortably so there are no hidden resentments. Love that idea! As you say, not everyone is going to have the same expectations, goals, or aspirations when it comes to a community, but this way of communication let's people become aware of issues before they grow too large to manage.
@@thexxit yes exactly it is also good if there is a language barrier if you do it on line and can Google translate it.
@@glenda.thegoodwitch Oh, I didn't even think of that! Even more important as they are in Panama!
@@thexxit exactly communication is so important it makes it so much harder when you have not only language barriers but cultural as well. Sonthis form of communication is so helpful in a community,and professional setting.
The naysayers don't have all the info. That much has been clear. Y'all are doing this as reasonably as possible. Keep going and keep trying. This is part of the learning process. Sad that all of you aren't together anymore but this was just part of the journey. People are sometimes part of our lives for a season. This is part of life and definitely farm life. Keep trying! 💜💜💜
You faced this setback in a humble, balanced way with wisdom. As a senior, I’m damn proud of you because you two are working in concert together to find the best solution. This way of doing life will take you far and lead to a satisfying life. If I may, I’d like to add my life experience in case you haven’t heard or thought of it before.
People bring their life experiences to the table to help them survive in life. With Cacae (sp?) I don’t know him well enough to speak with certainty, which is a disadvantage but what I do know tells a story and makes sense on why he exited out of Lola’s farm and your relationship. His most obvious obstacle to cope with in the recent past is living under a dictatorship in Venezuela. As Americans, we have never lived under that level of control, injustice, cruelty and oppression. This is especially damaging to those who remembered living in paradise and freedom and suddenly it’s taken away. As Americans, we brag about being free but haven’t been tested on what it feels like without it. We don’t know first hand the value of freedom. Living in that type of environment, one trusts only a few and you must measure your words and actions to survive.
The second point I want to bring up is about relationships who combine friendship along with being an employee. From the perspective of being the boss, your focus is the goods or services to be done, the supplies for the work, deadliness and if you’re driven from your heart, you want to create the best fun work environment to make it easy to finish the job and be satisfied with it. From the perspective of an employee, you understand the objectives listed above but know you don’t have full freedom to speak against or to refuse. If you did, you run the risk of getting fired. No matter how an employer couches himself as being fair, welcoming new ideas, flexible, there is always a bottom line that if it is crossed, the employer has the power to remove the other person by firing him. When someone holds that level of power, an employee is not 100% free to say or do as he sees fit. Circling back to Cacae, you and Kaylee had immense power over him and Adrianna’s life. You not only were his employer but was also his landlord. They were not truly free to do, to speak or to refuse because the consequences were high. Then couple that with possibly old mindsets of oppression still embedded from the past, it makes perfect sense of the actions Cacae and Adrianna took. It’s obvious to me that they agonized significantly with making this decision because they valued their friendship with you so much. Leaving the bus in tip top shape reflected their respect they had for you. Your relationship is not over and is worth working on to restore it. Too many strong bonds were made so don’t give up on them. Be proactive and stay in touch with them regularly. Change the dynamics of the relationship as being equal. You might have thought that you were doing that before but hopefully you see now that it wasn’t. You were always kind and respectful when you needed help but it is a different animal when someone is your equal. Take for example Kaylee (sp?), she can out and out refuse you lean hard on you to go an entirely different way because she is your equal. An employee or a ‘friend” who happens to be someone with lots of talent and availability, who is leaned on (in a nice but persuasive way) is not equal to the one asking for the help.
When a relationship usually begins is because each partner recognizes the valuable assets the other person has and has viable assets the other one admires and needs. Both can contribute and benefit from each other and are on equal footing or bargaining power. We choose life partners, friendships and business partners this way.
if they keep going liek they do and pretty much me me me me all the time they will lose the rest aswell.
a community is not everyone on their own it is TOGETHER.
if they are not helping rodrigo with this house out soon he will most likely leave aswell.
I think Kake and his wife did a tremendous amount of work there and did take care of things for months when you were in the United States. That was a lot of responsibility with the animals and taking care of everything. I think they may have felt burnt out by it and then resentments started, which I can understand. That was a lot, although they did it out of love and concern for your family. It may have created a tipping point for them emotionally and looking at the fact there was no time for them to actually look at anything or start on anything for themselves. That is just what I see. They were lovely people and probably did not know how to bring that up or talk about it. I can certainly understand they were not comfortable in a group setting to bring all of that out. I hope, down the road, you can at least have a relationship with them, even if they do not come back to the farm and pursue their own dreams.
They also got paid to do those things. They had a job. Not just only out of love and kindness.
Wanda's World Goes 'round That does not change the fact that they had the weight of it all for months and the stress of it. I am sure they agreed to help them out, but over time it was probably too much. I do not care if they did get paid. I am sure they weren’t paid $15 an hour when they had the whole place alone and were responsible for it and any problems that may arise 24/7. I am sure they felt burnt out and overwhelmed by the time they came back. They wouldn’t have known how taxing it would be until they were doing it alone for several months. I am not attacking anyone so calm down. I am sure that was part of what tipped them over.
@@wandagetz966 he got paid to be a videographer not a farmhand.
@@wandagetz966 Did they? Really? When did Kake's 15$/hr weekly salary start? Let me tell you how Gr*ng* slave-drivers work: $15/hr salary is $600/week based on ~40hrs/week - but the slave never works 40/hr a week, the slave works 120 to 140 hours a week and is usually chastised for being "slow" or "disorganized." And you have to wonder if that $15hr pay also paid for Adrianna... See how that works?
Though the USA dollar is sinking in value, it's close to the PAB - the Panamanian Balboa. That's about 1:1, now look at the COL Cost of Living and look up salaries & minimum wage... Notice something?
@@DeborahAnneWeber 👌👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏👏 couldn't have said it better than this!!!!
I’ve seen how rodrigo had a to put aside his home build to take care of the farm. If labor is so cheap, hiring additional help would be a blessing to all.
They don't pay the Panamanian cheap labor.
@@kimberlyearly8918 they have the ability to pay a above average pay to hire local workers for the heavy, ever mounting physical labor. It’s may expecting too much of others in a barter, labor swapping community where they have to pay to build their own homes. There seems to be a ever escalating mountain of work for everyone. I can understand why some may take issue with building a pizza oven when others were struggling to put a safe roof over their heads. I love and admire them both for what they are trying to achieve and understand they are doing the very best they can to make it fair for everyone.
@@Kriddle1229 This is where your reasoning fails, Kake never had the time to work on his own home, he was expected to work like a serf for these two slave owners.
@@eastafrica1020 listen to video again, you have the wrong information!
@@helenreid7022 K&J gaslighting again. Y’all believe anything they say I bet Kake could shed some light on what happened. Remember the work shed was for the community with all hands on board er um til well we know how that turned out. ‘Basically neighbours’ and ‘families that own their own part of the land’ er um not really. Again throwing shade at Kake. Imagine Jordan paying Kake the videographer-editor less than good ole US Dunkin donuts wages (currently at $22/hr in the northeast). Probably stiffed Kake for those 5 months as running the whole farm. Speaks volumes Kake should be so very grateful NM paid US $ minimum wage (hahaha) rather than local $2 Panama min wage. Imagine treating someone you referred to as family this way. Plus the historical revisionism. It’s on RUclips! Pretty clear the introduction of those defensive blurred friendship- employee -community lines are in response to viewer response to NM tasteless video shaming of Kake and Adriana. Peace.
Rodrigo worked on your house and instead of getting a salary he gets a loan? that's no compensation. Rodrigo is basically working for free and building you another home the (A frame) for free. I mean how is he going to pay you back? im missing something here...
Wow...hope you get this figured out.
If he helps Rodrigo build his house then they are even , correct.
Seems like Kake was living free and getting paid more wages than anyone, perhaps you pay what everyone else is getting pay and maybe bonuses. The entire project is muddy, building a culture inside another culture. The implications can go sour fast.
@@howardjackie421 loving thy neighbor is no joke. Peace to your heart Jackie.
@@Ale-hg6lf right. But love is in the eye of the beholder. Buy-in cant be coerced, it has to be agreed upon. If not, its call resentment. If you can just show up and get buyin to an idea even from a small group, show me how.
I just want to say that you two are some of the best examples for how to be good humans on the internet and that is the main reason I watch your channel. Thank you for always doing your best, handling your stuff and delivering it honestly. I watched for many years now and share you all the time in my circles. Looking forward to the adventures ahead and seeing baby Sadi growing up organically 💞
If he owned that portion of the land, how was he leaglelly able to just up and leave, and how are you able to bring someone else on his land. Did he sell you guys back his share of the land. Did you guys pay Adrianna also? There is still more to this story, but seems like you guys have moved on from this.
I only have one thing I feel bad that the A-frame house. I hope somebody will help him if he's all on his own doing it and I feel so bad for him he's struggling
Thank you for taking the time to share some of your process and to let us know that communication is happening with Kake & Adrianna. Community is hard, there will definitely be bumps and learning along the way. Blessings to you all. I hope both that healing and some type of friendship will return for you all. I also hope that your community will grow and evolve into something beautiful. You are on the right path.
It seems almost inevitable that something like this would happen along the way to realizing your dream community. As you have noted, this is a complex project and even with the best planning and the best intentions, things aren't always going to work out as you hope. You mention the difficulty of layering an employment relationship on top of being friends and collaborators, the confusion around boundaries and enhanced potential for misunderstandings. When you add cultural differences into the mix--with divergent Panamanian and American meanings and expectations attached to each of those relationships--it gets even more complicated and difficult to navigate. And then add individual idiosyncrasies into the mix. Definitely a learning experience. And this certainly won't. be the last time something like this happens. I wish all the best to you both and to Kake and Adriana as well. They seem like lovely people. I hope that, at some future point, you can rebuild your friendship. In the meantime, we appreciate you taking us along with you on your journey and for sharing the lumps and bumps along the way. Be well and finish that bathroom!
Well thought and well written! Beautifully stated. 😊
It is hard to keep everyone happy , All the time.
Much of what we learn is through experience. At the same time, experience is often a hard teacher but not easily forgotten. You are good people and obviously care about your farm family. I do hope a healing can result from this difficult situation for all.
You two tried to do things right by everyone. This community thing is new to you all. No judgements, just LOVE !! KAKE WE LOVE YOU !!
You are wise beyond your years. The opportunities you give others is amazing. Those who have the privilege to live on your farm should not expect more than you are prepared to give no matter how prosperous your farm is. We wish Kake and his family well. Go for it guys! We love your videos.
These two have fooled Rodrigo into believing that he owns the land he is building his house on! The "opportunities" they "give others" aren't actually beneficial to the others but to THEMSELVES. Rodrigo is under the impression that the land he is building his house on is HIS but it's NOT! He will NOT be able to pass it down to his children. He will NOT be allowed to sell it. These two are liars and should be ashamed. They have everyone thinking they are benefactors. What a load of horse dung.
Jordan you have a business degree and you know what sharecropping is. The only ones that will prosper in this deal is you. Kake needs were not the same as Rodrigo. Rodrigo left the farm while you were in the state and Kake stayed and ran the farm alone and did you pay him for 8 hrs aday while you were gone..
I still say that I hope time will heal and love and forgiveness will shine through. I hope you all can one day clear the air and stay friends for what you went through was a very beautiful part of the journey to build a community. Lessons learned. I support you all and look forward to watching your community grow and thrive as you implement the lessons learned.
I think your community dream is beautiful, dont let the negative comments drag you down❤️😄
Lots of love from Norway🥰🇳🇴
Yall need to hire a ranch hand not give away "free" land as the power balance is always going to be in your favor and over time that will weigh on who ever joins your community. A ranch hand lives on sight but does not own the property bur gets a salary for the hours and labor they work. For a head ranch hand a person you trust and is capable of running the farm for situations like the birth of your child you should be paying them $50,000 a year regardless of the rate there as anything less is insulting knowing what you do bring in this is what you should feel morally good with. Along with a clear set of dutys that you expect and a range of hours you expect those dutys to take. Any childcare or labor a ranch hands wife does or is asked to help with should be seem as a totally separate employee or laborer and should be paid according separate from the work you hired and agreed upon with the ranch hand as you don't get free range and access to anything for free and not paying the next person but with this land you have ultimate control over is not a soultion to the true issue but the cause. If I where asked this would be my answer from the limited information from the content I have seen.... however noone asked me so thanks for reading my thoughts.
Sooo you can't expect others to live on land you own, technically, and build their own home. Then if you kick them off the land where do they go? And if you pay for their house, any person in their right mind would see you as having all the power. And if they're employed elsewhere then how will they have the time to help the "community"? If they can only help by paying money into the "community", then wouldnt that be a landlord and tenant relationship? Before creating a community that you dream of, I would research the Amish and different communities, new and older where it was successful. Communities are great but only seem to work in certain circumstances. Definitely not how you are going about it. Not yet. But there is still hope and tweaking and learning. Praying for you guys.
I love how you guys looked inward to see what needed to be changed and what could be done better. I'm glad you didn't go into the issues with Kakai (sp?) Because it really would have be inappropriate to have a discussion without him. Looking to more videos on the farm, Sadie growing, and when the time is right expansion on the farm. Bless you both and sweet Sadie.
Thank God you guys cleared all that up! Being raised by hippies myself, I totally understand community. Lol Clearly some people don't. You guys have done and are doing amazing. People who are expecting you all to pay for EVERYTHING are ridiculous. It isn't your fault Kake didn't speak up either...but, being the good hearted people y'all are I'm not at all surprised you're taking responsibility. NOW...can we get back to watching that beautiful baby grow...drinking the best coffee on earth...and both of your loving and cheerful hearts? Lol Let's do this!
P.S. I've been watching u two since day one and never had to comment until the last two videos. But just know...those who are true fans...already KNEW you guys would not screw anyone over. Peace and love!
Couldn't have said it better myself. Can't expect for Jordan and Kaylee to pay for everything. They pay out of their pockets for any labor they hire and materials. Neither can you expect them to be mind readers if someone is harboring anger and resentment. I like Kake and Adrianna but it was wrong the way they handled the situation and treated their friends. Should've talked it out instead.
*Absolutely* I was commenting on some of the (frankly) disgusting things that were being said over the past couple of days. What was most upsetting was that the assumptions and accusations were utterly baseless! Like people were just starting to rabidly make stuff up.
@@sandrasignorelli5960 Yes. Also, we can wish Kake and Adriana the best *AND* recognize that they handled this situation badly. Which they unfortunately did.
@@Megan.eco-Instinct Yes, to be clear nothing personal against Kake and Adrianna. Kake was a favorite and I wish them both well.
@@Megan.eco-Instinct How do you know? Are you truly this ignorant?
Why is Rodrigo doing all the work on goats and chickens?
Who on earth would want to life in constant rain? In beautiful Panama with all kinds of wonderful climates?! Don’t get your hopes up as far as community living is concerned. Have people work for you for a decent salary, and do your own thing. Until now, you look like diy youtubers not farmer’s. Maybe it’s time to stop playing and really build the farm you are talking about since years.
Your fellow companions, whom you have valued so much, were living in a moldy jungle hut, and a moldy bus. I never understood how you simply overlooked the fact that they were not properly taken care of. You have the channel here for your own Profit, not for the community. What doesn’t sit right with people is that you pretend to have a happy big family. Kake was the Heart of the show because of his natural behavior.
Are they never coming back? I love them! Please let them know we’ll miss them and hope we’ll see them in the videos sometime. They’re part of the family!
Kaka and his humor will be missed by all, it’s hard to loose someone who makes you laugh so hard. Love you guys and just keeping good thoughts for everyone involved. Thank you for inviting us all into such intimate moments. Things will improve and can’t wait to see what develops, all the best from Wisconsin.
This hurts more than when the Beatles broke up 😟
I think you nailed it when you said it gets very muddy when friends become employees. You both are fair-minded people who are very giving and loving. Good to learn from what doesn’t work and keep on keeping on!
Nothing but respect for you two. This is just one of those life moments. I'm sure that all involved know that life is like a roller coaster with all it's ups and downs and twists and turns.. We learn, pick up the pieces and move forward.
i remember commenting after kake’s bbq you guys seemed not to know about. kake said something like, “i am so grateful for this,” something along those lines… obviously, he was referring to his people/gathering/community. jordan said “what, you mean me letting you live in my bus?” my god. i was so embarrassed witnessing that. if i were kake i would have packed up immediately and moved out then. what a mind f*ck. i knew then there were issues. also, you guys moved to a poor country yet your video titles show a total LACK of awareness “our tiny home is too small,” “we can’t live like this with our baby,” “this sucks…” i think you guys should take a step back and reevaluate how you operate and communicate. i know kake and adriana are hard working and prideful. they earned their keep. from what i am reading between the lines, they probably were made to feel sub par. i hope you guys can work through this and find a way to blend in more rather than just being americans in panama. i feel like the people in the communities around you would appreciate a shift in your inner beings. i really hope you guys can turn this project, dream, and lifestyle into a more respectful and honorable reality. i am sure it can be done, but look more inside for the noble pathway to achieving. much love and i wish ya’ll the best!
Yes, Jordan's style of joking could easily be misconstrued (even I would have taken slight offence), particulary by a different culture and socio-economic viewpoint. Our words matter so much and even if your intentions are not bad, it's really the perception that counts. I didn't think of this, but now that you say it, yes. Maybe Kake started to feel more like a "worker" and less like a friend or member of the community (in my culture this is a very big thing). This and other small comments and jokes may have built up until it was no longer mentally healthy for Kake and Adrianna to stay.
I remember another time about a year ago where Jordan was standing outside his shed about to go in and Kake was inside and he said to Kake very gruffly something like what are you doing in my house. And Kake turned around very upset and said I'm doing my job! You could see he was tending to his camera gear or recharging some batteries and that was the only place he could do it . He was in fact doing his job. It was just the way he was talked to like you were saying that sounded demeaning. I almost couldn't believe they left that in the video. Very humiliating.
@@charlesglass3506 From a cultural standpoint, someone raised in Panama may not understand when Jordan is joking or not. I know in the culture I am from what you are describing would be extremely insulting, but then in some cultures it's just teasing. I think this is a learning lesson to Jordan and Kaylie to understand the cultural differences and manage their communication style accordingly.
I remember when he said that and all I could think of was ouch! Anyway best of luck to them.
I feel badly for all parties here and understand how resentments can build so easily. I know Jordan and Kalie are exceptional humans in compassion, righteousness, and loving their friends and families, but I have also noticed some things.
Reading these comments about Jordan’s behavior in particular, reminds me of a time when I was very very rude to a friend. She had a rough way of joking around and ‘taught me’ to be the same with her (I believe Jordan and Kake had a certain way of kidding around, initially). I had some other friends around and I joked with her in ‘our’ way. The relationship went south in a very bad way, she back-stabbed me but it sort of backfired on her (she accidentally replied to ALL on an email). It took me a long time to realize how much resentment she must have had and MY part in it. Through my own retrospect, I was finally able to realize how rude I was that day with my other friends and how embarrassed she must have been. It was one of my ugliest moments (without my realizing it) that probably lead to her doing what she ultimately did. Our relationship was never restored - too much hurt on both sides and the course of both our lives changed.
I feel like there are similarities here. I pray that after some time and space Jordan, Kalie, Kake and Adriana can heal and their relationships can be restored to being like family again. 🙏
How do you justify spending a month making a "pizza oven" while Rodrigo was living in a broke down A frame tree house and Kake was living in a moldy bus you ran from to live in the shed? Make it make sense.
Right? Like why no decent restroom and showers for everyone living on the farm before a pizza oven??!!
@@sunny234a I know that one really annoys me, basic hygiene is tossed out the window for pizza? I can't believe they have the nerve to use all their resources and man power for something so irrelevant as a pizza oven while poor Rodrigo is struggling to just have a safe place to sleep.
The pizza oven really made me stop watching after I saw the framings of an addition Kake had going on the van. I stopped in several days ago and saw that raw video of when Kake left and wasn't surprised at all. Kake was even thoughtful enough to wait until these two got their driver's licenses before he left. Did they even notice THAT? I bet he wanted to leave well before he did. I noticed he didn't include himself in the most recent videos too. I am baffled that these two have no clue just how self centered they are. I'm concerned about Rodrigo's future.
@@DOLfirst I agree. I swear they don't even notice what is going on around them within their own community. I feel really badly for Rodrigo. They need to hire a crew of guys to help him get his house done or its going to either take YEARS or its never going to happen. He is one guy climbing 30 feet in the air to get that roof done.
@@gordonroxanne1294 it's a scary thought.. Rodrigo doing that alone. I hope they have the forethought to check on him... but ...
I really appreciate you two taking the time to explain yourselves and the idea you have in your head, As well as the financial details. I hope you can work things out and still be friends with Kake and Adrianna even after the resentment. It's disappointing of course, and I wish it would have worked out better, but I'm glad this was an opportunity to learn and reevaluate your business vs community aspect. I love your videos and I don't think you two were being disrespectful or selfish. I'm happy you're still moving forward with the farm and RUclips videos ❤️ we love everyone who comes into Lola's Farm!
I totally agree. J & K's vids are wonderful and I don't think they are they are the only ones to blame either NO ONE IS PERFECT!! Including K & A. Things will work out. Love that baby!!!🥰💋
I agree on you both being caring ,thoughtful people, also doing a well job raising that little girl. An I know Adrian took her 2 hours. Was it everyday of week, weekends? Was that a complaint, that they didn't get paid for siting Sadea? Is it possible that it become overwhelming. I still think if they don't come back, or have change of heart. Sit down when ready on what works for each individual. An each person needs breaks , meaning days off to do what they want!! As in monthly mini vacations. Also it helps to vent how you feel. . Love your family 👪,, Sherry McGhee
Yeah, you guys live in a beautiful place, but all that rain would really be a challenge for anyone. I think it is very cool that you are "sharing" this land you found. I don't know if you have done this, but it may really help you to spend the time, thought, and effort to develop a type "government" charter, stating what you are trying to do, who you are interested in living around, and what happens when things like this happen. I know it seems to take the spontaneity out of life, but sometimes having rules and boundaries actually allows you to enjoy the spontaneity of all the other stuff. You life, make mistakes, and win a few, but you if you are smart, you learn as move through it all.
If they wanted to be governed, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing. Do you know what the word "government" even means? It comes from the latin 'govern' or, obviously, "to control" the 'mente' or THE MIND. It means to control the mind or mind control. Nobody needs a 'Charter' of missions, rules and boundaries with any type of government anything. Government is nothing but trouble and always has bad intention. Look what's happening in the world right now. Jeeze. The only thing that went awry here is communication and expectation. Not an easy fix but it's a learning curve. A bunch of rules and regulations would defeat the entire purpose of any 'community'.
Exactly, I am a member of a large community that has 12 written traditions that everyone adheres to, to the best of their ability.
Who’d want to live in the rain? That’s not going to happen. I’d sell and move to a better climate!
@@misschris662 I would.....I live in Florida and we have a rainy season also which we are going through now but the sunshine and beauty the rest of the year outweighs the rain and humidity during the summer months. I guess it’s up to the individual.
Love you guys for taking the time to have this frank conversation. The friends as employees thing is real and I applaud your commitment to keeping them separate. Wishing you all the best going forward. Keep building,growing,learning!
Something terrible must of happened for him to walk away from the “$15 an hour you pay him”. Did you really have to say that. That’s not helpful-you have spilled your guts too soon. It’s not as cut & dry as you make out
So glad you've been able to clear the air and find out exactly what the motivation was for them leaving the farm. One thing that occured to me was that you guys and jungle boy, :) have said repeatedly was that you've always had this dream of living this lifestyle. I know in my own life that when I'm not following my own passions and lifestyle goals, resentment creeps in. I still love the people around me with all my heart. I just feel a prompting that something needs to change. So many communities such as yours have grown from trial and error. That's how we grow as people as well. May God bless all of you in whatever path the Lord leads you in your lives. You are loved.
Why does it appear that they all help you build, but you guys don't seem to give back the same effort? I have been frustrated watching Rodrigo needing more help. I want you to get Kake & Andriana back, that's what community does. Do they give the land back?
Y’all are very gracious and I appreciate the level of respect you’ve approached this with-I will say that you cannot take responsibility for another persons inability to assert boundaries. I know you do this out of respect for Kake and Adriana, cause you’re lovely people. Wishing them all the happiness in their own journey-but mostly that they can take responsibility for how they are feeling, rather than it falling to you, to fall on a sword you cannot control. Love to all! Your dream is one I share.
Bravo, guys, I’m very impressed by how you’re processing what could be considered a beautiful life lesson! I live in El Valle Panama and I am very aware of the cultural nuances required. But, I must say, as a leadership coach, that all relationships, personal and professional, face some type of break in trust. What is required is that you shine a light on that break and work together to move forward. When one party, sorry Kake, shares nothing about what they are feeling, then the relationship is doomed. My invitation to Kake is to ‘own’ his resistance to sharing his truth and heal that wound first - otherwise he will continue to experience these setbacks in his life. Alan Watts is right that if we all ‘simply’ shared our truths, life/society would be amazing. With love 💗
I wondered what was going on with kake. I could definitely see or feel some kind of resentment building in his face. I’m so sorry for difficult lessons and I do hope you are all examining the treacherous role of colonialism in the situation.
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If I remember correctly, Kake is a Venezuelan refugee. As a refugee myself, this adds to the complexity of his life and thoughts. Kake, God Bless you in your future endeavors.
If Rodrigo helped you build your workshop for months and months and then "in return" you "lent" him the money to build his house no wonder he left... that was a shitty deal for him... as as everyone else has left too, it makes me think what you guys think is a good fair deal no one else thinks it is... seems communication and a clear plan understood by every one was what's missing.
I can imagine how hard living in a community could be. I watch because I admire what you all are trying to create. It's insanely hard work and there will be many bumps along the way, and some will really suck, but you guys will find a way through it . What a life!
It's very kind, and inclusive of you both to make a follow-up to the initial, real-time news of Kake & Adriana departure. This is what life is. We are always learning. The variables to making a community from the dirt up (not to mention with a new baby, many animal members, building of homes & structures, etc.) work are endless. I also see, how friends want to help each other, and then friends want to financially compensate and before you know it your friend has also become an employee. All with the best of intentions. It's ok. All you, we, can do is our very best with the knowledge, tools, skills, experiences we have. We all have to figure out what we want which does not stay constant, it's fluid. Maybe and I say this with respect and compassion it was Kake & Adriana's best way in their mind and heart, to make a difficult change, was to do so in one quick fell swoop. Life is not easy. To you and all of us, relax, reflect, and stay open. I feel confident to say most of us watching could not imagine taking on such a monumental life change and creating a building a community from the ground up. That's why I love watching--------- I say----Wow look at that, they are creating a life on their own terms. I am inspired. Thank you for letting us in it means so much. Thank you for being open, transparent and honest. Thank you
ZGirl, Well said, and I appreciate you expressing this. I feel the same way.
Don't you hear the BS? Rod working his ass off for months for only a loan!!!!!!
@@shac9131 Yeah, he's still very young, and doesn't understand that what is going on is more for their benefit and not his. Kake on the other hand is a old soul, and realized that he totally was being taken advantage of. Enough is enough. He's not coming back, it's not about the money but the principal of the matter. Rodrigo is in too deep and is just hoping for the best. This video was just to try to put out the fire, because they know that if they don't, it will damage their credibility forever. People that really understand compassion and empathy know the truth to the matter.
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Yep! I 100% agree with you. And in a matter of time... Especially next residents flowing in, he'll see for himself.
However, got to learn quite a bit.
@@marmanmarman5681 Do you not understand what 'shares of a corporation' are? They are legal ownership -in this case not of a public company, but rather of a private farm - they have REAL value, although unlike, say, publicly listed shares, they're not easily liquidated - which is very normal in situations of joint ownership of property.
Kake and Rodrigo were given plots of land to build on and Rodrigo was also given a loan with no hard due date for repayment (often those end up being a gift if the courts are called in to resolve a dispute) for building materials and was also given assistance when possible in building his home...Kake was also given a salary as camera operator at US wage rates, so presumably he could afford to live reasonably well off of that.
Are Kayleigh and Jordan supposed to just give everyone everything? I'm calling BS - or maybe you just didn't watch this video before commenting?
You both are an inspiration. It's hard to step up and own your actions when those actions lead to unwanted and difficult consequence. And, as others have commented, you are human and to be human is to err. 🥰🥰 I am sorry that Kake and Ariana felt unheard and unappreciated and I hope they also learn to be an advocate for themselves. Living in a close community is a real challenge. Maybe look into how the Israeli Kibbutz system is setup. In creating an organization of like minded people all participants need some "skin" in the game.
Maybe keep the bus as guest space or at the very most a VERY temporary living space for Lola's Farm Community
prospects to test their resolve. Sending you lots of ❤ and 🌝. Keep on keeping on! You are the best🙌🙌
Why are you loaning Rodrigo money to build his house and simply not paying him for the work he does for you?
I have lived in community before (when I was in my 30's and I'm now a retired lady), and it is very difficult on a personal level. The constant sharing, honesty, working through the difficult emotions is not easy and not for everyone. Then throw in the conditions under which you live on the farm and it's maybe the most challenging situation anyone could face. You guys may do it easily, but realize you are the EXCEPTION not the rule. And if one is married or in relationship, TWO people who want this lifestyle is like a needle in a giant haystack. I do not regret my time in community and it helped me realize my strengths and that hard things emotionally can actually be worked through. But it was definitely the most challenging living situation of my whole life. Good luck on continuing your dream. Perhaps looking at some communities established here in States and how they work would be helpful. I'm confident you will work through this as you have in the past. Love and prayers to you.
Learning lessons all around... You 2 are processing this in a good way. I hope Kake has learned his lessons too and is able to communicate better in his future. People come and go in our life. Learn from them and let them go when the time arrives. Still a painful situation though...
Rodrigo said on his channel he is now responsible for the goats & chickens now!
situations like this are never easy to go through wishing all that are involved the best all you can do is learn from it and move on...kake was a real asset to the channel and the farm but I'm sure you're more upset over the loss of a friend...HUGS
You guys and the little one make me happy watching . Finally found an off grid family to binge peace y'all
I have never commented on a video before.
I'm from Israel and the concept of communal living is definetly one of the foundations of this country. It is not so rare to find people living as a community here ranging from groups with a shared bank account and property all the way to people who just like to organize social events every month. I have lived in a commune for two years and have been researching this way of life for my future. I think one thing that I have learned is that without a mutual ideology of some sort, it is hard to stay strong as a community in a society that idealizes individuality and money. The way I see it the decision of "paying" someones salary on the farm can instead be considered sharing the farms income (from videos) just as you would share the income from selling cheese or produce. Understanding your ideology about money and sharing will also help people figure out if this is something that they want to be a part of by creating a common language between all of the members. There are many different communities out there and it really helps to research and see how they work in real life.
I send you lots of love and hope that with this journey you both will be able to continue believing in the benefits and beauty of living as a community which outwheigh the hardships and struggles.
I would love to share a more of my knowledge if you would like.
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It’s difficult to separate business and friendship, especially the way you have things set up. It’s a growing experience and this will make you stronger to make Lola’s Farm the best community.
Great video
I hope RUclips sends you all the money and the algorithm works in your favor
I hate you calling him a employee.
Me too. Over and over he said it. Again plantation owners.
Thank you for sharing with us. You always take responsibility…bravo! However….it was not your responsibility to read Kake’s mind…it was his failing alone to not speak up when provided the opportunities. I applaud your desire to ask more of yourselves when communication is the focus. You are shining examples of goodness, generosity, and love in action. Keep it up. Blessings to the whole gang and hopes for a gentle healing for all involved.
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I was thinking the same thing. Sad to see them leave but it was Kake's responsibility to sit with you and speak his truth, rather than building up resentments. That's on him. Speak your truth, people!
You guys are just young and it's great to see you are learning from what now seems like bad decisions. The situations that you came across, are not uncommon and played out exactly how some of us older folks would have guessed. Thanks for sharing.
We love you guys so much. You guys didn’t fail. This is like a family growing.
I've been watching you guys Rodrigo aswell for so long now and from day one I've seen how genuine and amazing loving kind personality you both have even Rodrigo his such an amazing soul and friend to me keep focus on the good things ... Better times will come sad you have to explain to the public the situations... sad they left but it was their choice ... indeed move on and be happy ... we all love u guys ...
I grew up in Panama. I was a "Zonian." I love watching your channel. you are such genuinely good people. Y'all mentioned you have been in corporate America and that you and Kake are on intersecting paths before. I found that most interesting. It's very hard to explain to people who have struggled for food and existence all their lives that more and money are not the keys to happiness. So many of us have to achieve a certain amount of money and stability before we realize there are other keys to happiness and being able to give or walk away from more and money take you closer to God and happiness and human relationships are key. Being able to provide security for ones' offspring is always going to be a hurdle to building the community you are trying to build.
Thank you for doing this vlog. I can see where the boundaries could have gotten blurred...and miscommunication jumps in. I'm sad that Kake and Adriana will no longer be a part of the farm. They will be missed.💜
Just IMO, I grew up in Latin America & my family only moved back to the US when I was in college, I went through a mental shock because everything was so different including the way ppl think, feel, beliefs, actions, etc. so I understand both sides of the coin. IMO there will always going to have some confusion/unhappiness because of the different beliefs, cultures, traditions, sócio & economic situations, etc. Also, Americans can be thought of being in a higher class than the natives in Central & South America & you owning the land, being the head of the community, etc. makes it worse. They’ll always feel second to you & have fear of being kicked out unless they have legal documents stating it differently & have very clear written info as to what the community is, what it means to them, etc. A Latin American would most probably feel that they were employees & if Adriana wasn’t paid to help with Sadie she could’ve felt a bit like she had to, she was doing them a favor or was being taken advantage of.
I've watched your video's for year's now. One thing noticable about the two of you is your maturity.
It seems like there were cultural differences besides communication/language differences. Kake is a very proud (and displaced from his country). Such a tough situation for him in the best of worlds. It’s very tough and idealistic what you are doing, but feasible with bylaws and carefully worded contracts.
"Displaced"? His father lives in Panama.. ???
It’s a kind term for families that have left their country of origin, ( like Venezuela), since life there is so difficult.
These are growing pains that all companies go thru regardless of the product being offered. I know it must have hurt personally to have 2 members of your team leave but at the same time it gives you both a chance for reflection and to re-adjust and continue with your growth. Watching from the sidelines here in Canada has given me an eye-opener of the challenges you both go through but at the same time the positivity and the joy you both have being on Lola's Farm.
Y’all did a good job. You can’t read someone’s mind that the forum that you’ve provided doesn’t work. He bears a huge responsibility to let you know something is wrong. Everyone is supposed to be an adult. He had a sweet deal and gave it up because of a hurt feeling that he could have dealt with. I’ll be willing to bet he doesn’t find another deal like that and most especially with people that want to hear how he feels. He will find out and maturity hopefully will come from it. God bless.
i am from the Island of Jamaica and i have been watching your journey for over a year , living off GRID thats my greatest dream . i love to see you doing things from stratch ..i live in a gated community... so its city life but you have thought me alot ...i believe now more than ever, we should all be preparing to live off the land we all see whats happening in the world . i really admire your strength ,the talent you both have to build ,,,,you are amazing the whole family... im sure whenever i go off grid im going to use alot of your teaching....
You guys are so sweet, Thank you for giving us an update and it was nice to hear how the community works, You guys have always been so giving and I hope that never changes it's what makes you both so beautiful. And now you are raising a beautiful little girl who will hopefully follow in her parents footsteps. Just keep that positive attitude and one day you guys will have the full community that you are dreaming of and it will be AMAZING! Hugs and positive energy sent your way.