Guys, I always love that you pay attention to what really matters and not to marketing noise. And making deep meaningful tests to find the truth. Keep it up! 🔥
While others talk about a little button on the side, USB-C and 5x zoom this guys open a whole benchmark test suit on the thing. This is absolutely top material when checking out smartphone hardware. Way ahead of anything else and what most of us interested in the tech inside have been missing.
And there's nothing wrong with talking about things like the new action button, the USBC, or the zoom. The average consumer doesn't care about in-depth chip analysis. They'd rather hear about the former features.
I wish more reviewers dove into performance like Geekerwan does. This really is the channel I look forward to watching the most when a high-end mobile chip is launched.
This is no doubt the most professional and in-depth review of the new iPhone's performance and efficiency. It makes other reviews look soooo shallow. Other reviewer simply talk about how it "feels" to use the phone, without showing almost any useful statistics. They really should aim for Geekerwan's level and step up.
While I like Geekerwan's technical deep dive, I still prefer how others talk about the real world usage and their personal input. If every tech review is just talking about the numbers then the whole platform is just having the same content
@@JohnDiew Numbers are not just numbers. How numbers are produced; what numbers to present, and how to make numbers meaningful and form a story. These are all important questions to answer, and believe me, every creator will have different ideas on that. Geekerwan was the first channel to produce and organize the graph of the power-energy curve, and the actual performance of CPUs since SG888 aligned better with the curve than the single benchmark number. This is "different". For the battery life test, Geekerwan produced the automated scripts/robotics arm to mimic people's daily activity of multi-tasking on multiple APPs, which is more meaningful than recording the time playing RUclips videos as many reviewers did. And the number they produced simply aligns better. That is the art of using numbers from Geekerwan. Of course, good reviewers like MKBHD are also necessary, and Geekerwan simply admits that they are not good at evaluating screens, cameras, sounds, etc. But to be honest, cameras/sounds and many aspects of the phones can also be quantified and better presented to the customers. We actually need more professional reviewers on these aspects; similar to Geekerwan on SOC.
@@JohnDiewPersonally would prefer cold hard numbers. Geekerwan is still somewhat biased because of the silicon lottery. Multiple sources for this information is best. Anecdotal reviews are near useless since everyone uses their phones differently.
Amazing and detailed analysis as always! The only one doing proper SOC reviews. My takeaway is pretty much, not much has been improved, the E-Cores are actually quite impressive, and the soft eng and graphic programmers have done a phenomenal job, porting an actual game on a phone. Hell, you could run RE8 on the A15 just fine, but is gimped by ram. Also, while the chips quickly thermal throttles, I am amazed how it can run the game at a playable 30fps, ~4W.
That part is less surprising if you’ve been paying attention to gaming performance on MacBook Airs ever since the M1. It’s limited by Mac OS, but the games that run natively are impressive. These smartphones can easily compete with x86 laptops (the iPad has been beating Windows in raw performance vs Intel for awhile).
@@jonathanpusar5931 That's true. At the end of the day, it all comes down to physics. I feel like they should discover more paths to dissipate all that heat quicker, efficiently (well know that I think about it, some android phones do this pretty well). Then again, idk if we've already hit that ceiling with such small devices.
@@NootNoot. I’m hoping these results are due to poor optimization pre release (as it’s only officially released today, and there’s already an iOS 17 update). If not…oof. I really think we’ve finally hit the end of the road for real computing performance boost without a new technological or engineering breakthrough.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Classic software update cope. /s aside, Apple tends to do this better than android, so I'm sure we'll some sort of improvement. Although, just keeping expectations low
While other YT channels have the capacity to just talk about battery efficiency and SoC performance this is the only channel that shows and knows how it should be done. As always awesome video and really shows the depth of knowledge you guys have. I have rarely come across another channel that is as technically capable as you guys are. After watching your videos the other channels who claim to be "tech reviewers" just seem like social network celebrities to me.
Yeah, this is what "tech review" is, not just showing glamour shots of the device and talking how nice you find it. Actual tech review is hard which is why others can't or don't want to do it and just prefer to talk on surface level features. That is why it is great having guys like this that put in the effort.
Thanks for the English version, I can't wait for you to compare the A17 with the 8g3 and D9300 in a couple months. Also hope you can test MetalFX Upscaling vs Qualcomm's GSR
Please do more videos on this english channel. Youve only made 15 videos, and youve already made almost half the subscribers of your chinese main channel. The english speakers love this!
@@Sean-s4k Yea, now I just use some app to translate his video into English bur they only translate the captions, not his actual voice. It'll do though.
由中文台過來的香港sub，只想說一句：你的英文太炫了！Bravo！Great work and effort. 整體流暢、intonation也不錯、地道的expression，是還有一點點accent，但完全不妨礙理解，再多做幾條片，精進一下口語，就成一個native speaker突破1m的國際大V了 提一點建議，可以把說話的節奏放慢一點點，留一點空白，質感會感覺高級一點，耳朵也舒服一些
It’s difficult to say there isn’t any improvement when at its peak the A17 is a monster it just drains the battery. Would be great to see if a software update can help some of this
I think it's not TSMC fault for not being good at improving to a better 3nm process, this is Apple's own choice to use a not-ready 3nm process, they knew it would be bad but keep pushing anyway. TSMC will make a better 3nm process, but should be 6 months plus from now. Awesome analysis, I watched both of your Chinese and English version, can't get enough of it haha
Yeah, Apple's using N3B, N3 or N3X is not ready, and will not be ready any time soon, more like 8 months or so. My theory is that A17 is just a rewamped A16 for N3B, no actual architectural changes at all, except for 8GB RAM. Basically every single performance gain comes from N3B since the IPC gain is ~2%-3% (from few tweaks made from more transistors using the new litography). The high consumption came from iOS, Apple says, it's fixed in the new iOS update without performance losses, so it should be even 5% more efficient, Apple claims.
Geekerwan has been continuously updating videos in the Chinese channel, along with English subtitles. However, it seems that Geekerwan only recreates English versions of some large-scale videos, so it may still take some time....
Again, it comes down to what you do on you phone. If it is something intensive, of course your phone will lose power considerably faster. Including tests can very from channel to channel. Because what mainly matters is what you do with your phone and not what a test tells you. But do consider the fact iPhone battery life improves year by year, even if test results don't show that.
@@BobMcBurger1 eh the test he ran was fairly normal. It wasn’t a pure gaming test or anything like that. I expect bad battery life from any phone or device when gaming. So yeah….if this holds up post release there’s gonna be a lot of angry customers
@@jonathanpusar5931 I'll admit I'm not impressed either but consider that iOS 17 is still new. Give it some updates and things will improve, since I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
According to rumors, the SD8G3 chip is looking to be a pretty big step up. I really do hope to see a video on that SoC and see if those rumors are correct. You guys do great work and out of all the reviewers for all phones, I think you guys are the best in terms of being able to gauge the performance of a phone. Since most reviewers just throw the phones at geekbench, which from what I've read up on is fairly biased.
From now on other smartphone reviewers should just review the phone and not do the unrealistic maximum benchmarks. This is how you review real world smartphone performance.
You are giga monsters. For me, you're the best tech youtuber on smartphones. Your videos are of our level compared to other youtubers, it's impressive. They show how well you've mastered the subject. In any case thank you for this very intersecting video.
You could had also showed us the performance difference using the MetalFX and also show us how the power draw reduces into using a targeted frame rate with MetalFX enabled and disabled. Other than that I have no words for the quality of the review. If not from you I couldn't know the actual differences in architectural improvements vs the last generation
I don't think much attention on MetalFX is worth it right now because it is still basically work on progress. When is fully launched and is in games then a full dedicated video will be better.
I have seen many highly viewed video bloggers analyzing the iPhone, but it is difficult for me to find such convincing and accurate technology reviews. Thank you, you are the best video review blogger on RUclips！
My key takeaways: *CPU:* - A17 performance cores are less efficient than A16 p-cores but can achieve more power with a lot more power draw - A17 efficiency cores are better power and efficiency-wise than A16 e-cores - Both are still generations ahead of Snapdragon: SD8 Gen2 comparable to an A14 (iPhone 12 Pro) *GPU:* - Still worse than Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, comparable with Mediatek Dimensity 9200+ - Achieves ~32fps in Resident Evil Village at 4W consumption, vs Steam Deck's ~37fps at 15W (actually impressive) *Battery life and thermals:* - Slightly worse than iPhone 14 Pro, while also running hotter Seems the 3nm process did not provide any meaningful upgrades over 5nm
I didn't even skip ads man i was that patient for your review on this phone especially when they said you can play resident evil village and 4 remake on pro models!!
The iPhone 14 Pro actually performs mostly consistent 60fps now, after iOS 17.2, at the cost of extra power consumption. I think this is due to the optimizations done after the MetalFX implementation. However, with MetalFX, the iPhone 15 Pro drops to 58.7fps with the increased power consumption at 4.8 watts. This is however a much higher resolution visually compared to the older 14 pro.
I'm still wondering what the hell did they do to their gpu to be this powerful, literally nobody thought Snapdragon could have a better gpu than of the iPhones.
@@thefrog414 custom design and since they acquired Nuvia they will put their design of CPU cores pretty soon idk if the SD8G3 or SD8G4 but I'm pretty sure it will make a huge difference and take the lead on CPU performance other thing we should consider I guess the games and test that use 3D are more GPU bound then CPU bound hope someone do a detail explication on it. another thing I have a phone with SD865 and honestly it's still super fast running everything and I believe I could still push a year or two with it without a hiccup. and add to that software is what limiting our phones google is fing with our phone constantly if you go to Android subreddit you will find a lot of stories on this and that makes me wonder if they are degrading our phones on purpose
@@walid6329Wrong, 3D tests have a high CPU demand, that’s why Apple shines, the IPhone has so many vector accelerators on the CPU that it makes ARM Stock mediocre, and the entire Apple ecosystem takes advantage of it including games, maybe that’s the reason, Android has a problem on the CPU side.
17:41 perfectly shows why active cooling is indispensable when it comes to mobile gaming, look at the steady performance of the deck and how both iphone soc's start to throttle.
@@TheRealGigaCathere im hoping that those iphone AAA games also come to androids, then i bet sd 8g3 gaming phones will easily run them at 1080p 60fps stable using similiar settings to iphone's maximum where it got 44fps.
You guys got me sweatin during this two-week return window! lol Was really hoping for better thermal performance outdoors. Screen-dimming/overheating was my main reason for upgrading.
I'm a low budget consumer.So acording to the effiency curves, i just need a cpu with a78 prime core, 2,2-2,4ghz freq,4nm process, TSMC manufacturer. I can't wait for snap 4 gen 3 anymore.
Great job guys! Just one note, a cpu running faster with an increased power consumption could still result in higher efficiencies if it completes a program significantly faster. Why not include total energy consumed in completing the SPEC2017 suite instead of just (what I’m assuming is) average power consumption?
I always look forward to your reviews when a new phone releases! Love the in depth testing! You guys go above and beyond for us! Can't wait for your video on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👏🏼
3:41 “control temperature by breaking mechanism in software…” How do you do that??? I need to know what you do to disable the “software thermal protections” in order to allow the phone to run at full performance.
Gotta wonder what was the point of getting to 3nm in the first place if the gains were not only minor but also inefficient… We might have hit the manufacturing wall of thermals at 4nm. Not great for the future of chipset performance gains in the future :/
3nm can perform multiple tasks simultaneously and use less energy. But do consider the fact that Apple always increases the speed of their chips, which in turn requires more energy. So trying to counteract what you are constantly improving isn't a walk in the park, yet they somehow do it year by year. Even if that may be marginal improvements. In the end, there are so many factors to consider in battery life. Including the level of intensity you put your phone through. Which many battery tests keep doing.
@@BobMcBurger1 efficiency is efficiency. I don’t remember a single dye shrink in manufacturing done before not having a benefit in power consumption/power draw OR performance (and sometimes both). Neither is….concerning.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Well, iPhone is the first smartphone with a 3nm chip. So we have nothing else to properly compare it to which has the same chip size.
@@BobMcBurger1 exactly, so it’s concerning. Especially since Apple has a huge department working on chip design. It’s not like they’re some two bit company with no success figuring shit out They spent a lot of money securing first dibs on 3nm. No way did they spend that money if they intended on a small improvement. There must be an engineering reason we don’t know about…. I work in consumer goods, and in this industry it’s super hard to get any kind of real incremental gains that isn’t accentuated by us marketers. They spend the $$$$$ because they thought the ROI was worth it. Soooo….something is wrong
@@BobMcBurger1 We can compare it with previous gen 4nm SoCs, the improvements are underwhelming. It isn't as efficient as we thought, and actually runs hotter.
The A17 yes. But the A16 is just as efficient as the SD gen 2 at worse gaming performance but better in everything else such as video editing, battery life and software security and 90 hz refresh rate optimization.
@@TheRealGigaCatit’s actually really easy to get emulators nowadays on iPhones. You don’t even have to jailbreak. I load Dolphin on my iPad all the time.
@@jonathanpusar5931 all it has got is dolphin and ppsspp. There is nothing else. On the other side Android can emulate everything upto Nintendo switch. What I am trying to say is that iOS has a lack of apps itself. Developers don't take interest in it compared to Android where nearly all the emulators are open source and constant development goes on.. Not to mention the lack of proper file explorer in iOS. Android can even run some PC titles such as stray using box64 and DXVK translation layer. Same thing that steam deck uses. Even if iOS enables side loading. It will take years to reach where Android is in terms of community service.
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Your videos are seriously by far and away the best testing standards for these devices! This needs so many more views!
FYI, their Chinese channel are more up to date and has started to include English subtitles since the last 10-20 videos.
@@Casualgaming-dw5gm what his chinese channel bro? mind share the link 🙏 thanks
@@shinnoke8 RUclips do not allow links, search 极客湾
@@shinnoke8 极客湾Geekerwan
I think they are one of the best tech channel
The fact you guys made this in just 3 days is incredible. major props to your team
emmmmm. actually ,this video's mandarin version has been already released 3 days ago
bro , you don't know how easy to make a different languege version these days@@MarcABrown-tt1fp
This video was out on day 1, in Chinese
@@danrichard5442😮
Watch my unboxing of the iPhone 15 Pro Max!! 🖤
Your Power efficiency tests are the only tests on RUclips that are actually useable and fantastic!
He's in my top 5 deep analysis tech RUclipsrs, just incredible work that I greatly appreciate
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 what's your top 5 list? thanks
@@angeloa.lapizar8139who are the rest?
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Please tell us the other 4 RUclipsrs, we really need it
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Can you name other deep analysis channels?
Guys, I always love that you pay attention to what really matters and not to marketing noise. And making deep meaningful tests to find the truth. Keep it up! 🔥
💯
You are like +1M times more useful than any other tech channel could ever be. Thanks!
Agree. Make that +2M
a lot better than *cough* mkbhd *cough* , literally the most basic "tech" youtuber.
@@dx5784like reading the advertisement script
What about LTT?
With it's messed up graphs and sponsored segments 🤣
@@dx5784 mkbhd is a tech influencer at this point, not really a tech reviewer.
Where did you go?? Your reviews are the best, and I'm dying for more!
They didn't go anywhere,they now upload on their chinese youtube channel with english subtitles.Hope this helped
@@e64proyou got a link bro we need it
@@e64pro what is their channel?
@@e64proTell Channel Name
@@Untoldtruthshere 极客湾Geekerwan
While others talk about a little button on the side, USB-C and 5x zoom this guys open a whole benchmark test suit on the thing.
This is absolutely top material when checking out smartphone hardware.
Way ahead of anything else and what most of us interested in the tech inside have been missing.
Anandtech still do deep dives on SOC architectural breakdown
And there's nothing wrong with talking about things like the new action button, the USBC, or the zoom. The average consumer doesn't care about in-depth chip analysis. They'd rather hear about the former features.
@@phothewin6019U commented in every threat lmao, tryhard apple fanboy
@@orionmobile6545 What threat? What are you waffling about lol?
I wish more reviewers dove into performance like Geekerwan does. This really is the channel I look forward to watching the most when a high-end mobile chip is launched.
definitely dude！
Their results are inconsistent with what I experience in real life daily use.
Best channel for choosing a new phone
These videos are incredibly informative. Thank you
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This is no doubt the most professional and in-depth review of the new iPhone's performance and efficiency. It makes other reviews look soooo shallow. Other reviewer simply talk about how it "feels" to use the phone, without showing almost any useful statistics. They really should aim for Geekerwan's level and step up.
While I like Geekerwan's technical deep dive, I still prefer how others talk about the real world usage and their personal input. If every tech review is just talking about the numbers then the whole platform is just having the same content
@@JohnDiew Numbers are not just numbers. How numbers are produced; what numbers to present, and how to make numbers meaningful and form a story. These are all important questions to answer, and believe me, every creator will have different ideas on that.
Geekerwan was the first channel to produce and organize the graph of the power-energy curve, and the actual performance of CPUs since SG888 aligned better with the curve than the single benchmark number. This is "different".
For the battery life test, Geekerwan produced the automated scripts/robotics arm to mimic people's daily activity of multi-tasking on multiple APPs, which is more meaningful than recording the time playing RUclips videos as many reviewers did. And the number they produced simply aligns better.
That is the art of using numbers from Geekerwan. Of course, good reviewers like MKBHD are also necessary, and Geekerwan simply admits that they are not good at evaluating screens, cameras, sounds, etc.
But to be honest, cameras/sounds and many aspects of the phones can also be quantified and better presented to the customers. We actually need more professional reviewers on these aspects; similar to Geekerwan on SOC.
@@JohnDiewPersonally would prefer cold hard numbers. Geekerwan is still somewhat biased because of the silicon lottery. Multiple sources for this information is best.
Anecdotal reviews are near useless since everyone uses their phones differently.
the fact that they just make 2 different languages of a17pro analysis videos in a week is just amazing. Shout out to Geekerwan🔥
The only channel I can trust in terms of SoC performance. Thank you for delivering such an in-depth review again.
This is how reviews should be done, Bravo
Amazing and detailed analysis as always! The only one doing proper SOC reviews. My takeaway is pretty much, not much has been improved, the E-Cores are actually quite impressive, and the soft eng and graphic programmers have done a phenomenal job, porting an actual game on a phone. Hell, you could run RE8 on the A15 just fine, but is gimped by ram. Also, while the chips quickly thermal throttles, I am amazed how it can run the game at a playable 30fps, ~4W.
That part is less surprising if you’ve been paying attention to gaming performance on MacBook Airs ever since the M1. It’s limited by Mac OS, but the games that run natively are impressive.
These smartphones can easily compete with x86 laptops (the iPad has been beating Windows in raw performance vs Intel for awhile).
@@jonathanpusar5931 That's true. At the end of the day, it all comes down to physics. I feel like they should discover more paths to dissipate all that heat quicker, efficiently (well know that I think about it, some android phones do this pretty well). Then again, idk if we've already hit that ceiling with such small devices.
@@NootNoot. I’m hoping these results are due to poor optimization pre release (as it’s only officially released today, and there’s already an iOS 17 update).
If not…oof. I really think we’ve finally hit the end of the road for real computing performance boost without a new technological or engineering breakthrough.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Classic software update cope. /s aside, Apple tends to do this better than android, so I'm sure we'll some sort of improvement. Although, just keeping expectations low
@@NootNoot. less cope more hope lol. It would suck for us to be stuck with only tock improvements….
Thanks for the detailed review
The only channel who's processer reviews I care for❤❤
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This channel is so underrated and deserves much more attention, I wish they would produce more of these high quality contents!
While other YT channels have the capacity to just talk about battery efficiency and SoC performance this is the only channel that shows and knows how it should be done.
As always awesome video and really shows the depth of knowledge you guys have. I have rarely come across another channel that is as technically capable as you guys are. After watching your videos the other channels who claim to be "tech reviewers" just seem like social network celebrities to me.
Yeah, this is what "tech review" is, not just showing glamour shots of the device and talking how nice you find it.
Actual tech review is hard which is why others can't or don't want to do it and just prefer to talk on surface level features. That is why it is great having guys like this that put in the effort.
The fact that this channel has only 220k subscribers boggles me. Very underrated channel.
@@johntitor6851 True
Thanks for the English version, I can't wait for you to compare the A17 with the 8g3 and D9300 in a couple months. Also hope you can test MetalFX Upscaling vs Qualcomm's GSR
D9300 is the one with all big cores, right?
@@aItaccount The D9300 is X4+X4+A720, no A520. But then again Apple's E cores+L2 are larger than the A720+L2
Metal fx is probably better its hardware based gsr is based on fsr 1
@@vincelongman3264 I thought it had 4 X4 cores
@@aItaccount Yes, but it will be 1x X4 + 3x X4. Similar to previous 1+3+4 setups
This channel deserves more. I believe you guys are the most reliable source of information that the phone manufacturers rarely talks about.
You need to come back here. English audience demands it
We need a comparison of the 8 elite and 9400 . Where did these guys go :(
Please do more videos on this english channel. Youve only made 15 videos, and youve already made almost half the subscribers of your chinese main channel. The english speakers love this!
Their Chinese channel has more videos, but it would be too much work to remake all the videos into English.
@@Sean-s4k
Yea, now I just use some app to translate his video into English bur they only translate the captions, not his actual voice. It'll do though.
They are planning to comr back soon! They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English channel supervisor few days ago on their Chinese socials.
由中文台過來的香港sub，只想說一句：你的英文太炫了！Bravo！Great work and effort.
整體流暢、intonation也不錯、地道的expression，是還有一點點accent，但完全不妨礙理解，再多做幾條片，精進一下口語，就成一個native speaker突破1m的國際大V了
提一點建議，可以把說話的節奏放慢一點點，留一點空白，質感會感覺高級一點，耳朵也舒服一些
It’s difficult to say there isn’t any improvement when at its peak the A17 is a monster it just drains the battery. Would be great to see if a software update can help some of this
You either get battery or performance, but not both. That is the whole point of power efficiency that Apple used to emphasize.
Your channel is a godsend, I've been wanting reviews that are technical and in-depth instead of just a surface level overview.
Where is this man now???
On main channel
Absolute quality content, no other phone benchmark channel comes close!
I think it's not TSMC fault for not being good at improving to a better 3nm process, this is Apple's own choice to use a not-ready 3nm process, they knew it would be bad but keep pushing anyway.
TSMC will make a better 3nm process, but should be 6 months plus from now.
Awesome analysis, I watched both of your Chinese and English version, can't get enough of it haha
In fact, it only turns in A18/19, that’s because TSMC had problems with N3, so it only had improvements in Density and not efficiency.
Yeah, Apple's using N3B, N3 or N3X is not ready, and will not be ready any time soon, more like 8 months or so. My theory is that A17 is just a rewamped A16 for N3B, no actual architectural changes at all, except for 8GB RAM. Basically every single performance gain comes from N3B since the IPC gain is ~2%-3% (from few tweaks made from more transistors using the new litography). The high consumption came from iOS, Apple says, it's fixed in the new iOS update without performance losses, so it should be even 5% more efficient, Apple claims.
Apple just didnt care about the performance increasing,they just need to tell the costomers that our IPHONE is the best and it is always advancing
Dude where are you, we need you in 2025
You and your team are awesome
Mann, your review style is so good. I just discovered your channel, i have never seen this thoroughness for phone performance and battery life reviews
What happened bro why you not uploading videos 🤔
Geekerwan has been continuously updating videos in the Chinese channel, along with English subtitles. However, it seems that Geekerwan only recreates English versions of some large-scale videos, so it may still take some time....
You are amazing. Waiting to see the A18 Pro!
Waited for the English Version
Apple is really drawing a lot of power. 😢
My friend change 15 pro max from 14 pro max , he got his phone today . He has used 8 hours , he said heat control not really good .
@@panpan7945I’m actually holding off picking up my phone watching this video…honestly it looks really bad unless the tests were faulty.
Again, it comes down to what you do on you phone. If it is something intensive, of course your phone will lose power considerably faster. Including tests can very from channel to channel.
Because what mainly matters is what you do with your phone and not what a test tells you. But do consider the fact iPhone battery life improves year by year, even if test results don't show that.
@@BobMcBurger1 eh the test he ran was fairly normal. It wasn’t a pure gaming test or anything like that. I expect bad battery life from any phone or device when gaming.
So yeah….if this holds up post release there’s gonna be a lot of angry customers
@@jonathanpusar5931 I'll admit I'm not impressed either but consider that iOS 17 is still new. Give it some updates and things will improve, since I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
According to rumors, the SD8G3 chip is looking to be a pretty big step up. I really do hope to see a video on that SoC and see if those rumors are correct. You guys do great work and out of all the reviewers for all phones, I think you guys are the best in terms of being able to gauge the performance of a phone. Since most reviewers just throw the phones at geekbench, which from what I've read up on is fairly biased.
And they declare soc supremacy by just showing geekbench scores and forget that gpu exists.
Well, since they’re like 3 generations behind Apples, they must have a big step up.
@@dougmoratoIn what?
@@Silent.killer_007 They didn't declare SoC supremacy, they declared CPU supremacy. You not liking the results doesn't make them invalid.
Has anything been said about the 8 Gen 3 GPU?
This is one of the most professional and powerful iPhone processor performance reviews on RUclips!
From now on other smartphone reviewers should just review the phone and not do the unrealistic maximum benchmarks. This is how you review real world smartphone performance.
😮This guy is the final Boss of phones benchmark testing 🔥
Almost one year no new video
You are giga monsters. For me, you're the best tech youtuber on smartphones. Your videos are of our level compared to other youtubers, it's impressive. They show how well you've mastered the subject. In any case thank you for this very intersecting video.
You could had also showed us the performance difference using the MetalFX and also show us how the power draw reduces into using a targeted frame rate with MetalFX enabled and disabled. Other than that I have no words for the quality of the review. If not from you I couldn't know the actual differences in architectural improvements vs the last generation
I don't think much attention on MetalFX is worth it right now because it is still basically work on progress.
When is fully launched and is in games then a full dedicated video will be better.
Finally, a real iphone review instead of lazy regurgitated information from the apple keynote
Where did these guys disappear?
Come back guys
They are coming back soon. They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English Channel Supervisor at Bilibili few days ago!
@@lj9683 Thanks for info bro. I'll be waiting for upcoming videos.
THIS is what you call a review not the fancy B roll spec run downs you commonly see on RUclips
Are you alive my man, no video since 1 year?
They have a Chinese channel on youtube
youtube chinese name 极客湾
@@YBCY-vw3ysy did they stop posting here?
@@MayankJairaj They didn't say, so it should only be updated occasionally.
I have seen many highly viewed video bloggers analyzing the iPhone, but it is difficult for me to find such convincing and accurate technology reviews. Thank you, you are the best video review blogger on RUclips！
My key takeaways:
*CPU:*
- A17 performance cores are less efficient than A16 p-cores but can achieve more power with a lot more power draw
- A17 efficiency cores are better power and efficiency-wise than A16 e-cores
- Both are still generations ahead of Snapdragon: SD8 Gen2 comparable to an A14 (iPhone 12 Pro)
*GPU:*
- Still worse than Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, comparable with Mediatek Dimensity 9200+
- Achieves ~32fps in Resident Evil Village at 4W consumption, vs Steam Deck's ~37fps at 15W (actually impressive)
*Battery life and thermals:*
- Slightly worse than iPhone 14 Pro, while also running hotter
Seems the 3nm process did not provide any meaningful upgrades over 5nm
True benchmark review 👌 keep up !
I didn't even skip ads man i was that patient for your review on this phone especially when they said you can play resident evil village and 4 remake on pro models!!
Where is the 8 gen 3 review??
Thanks!
Considering how much better even last year chip is the the best android phone is crazy
The iPhone 14 Pro actually performs mostly consistent 60fps now, after iOS 17.2, at the cost of extra power consumption. I think this is due to the optimizations done after the MetalFX implementation. However, with MetalFX, the iPhone 15 Pro drops to 58.7fps with the increased power consumption at 4.8 watts. This is however a much higher resolution visually compared to the older 14 pro.
This cannot be 3nm, there is something completely wrong with these chips given the insane power draw.
Seems that indeed TSMC’s 3N is underperforming. Probably increased densities; but no meaningful power efficiency increase.
TSMC has 3E and 3B
Please do another SoC efficiency benchmark video for 2025
Guys.... Where is your new video..... It's already been five months..... C'mon guys
This is a english channel,if you wang to see new videos you can search the @geekerwan 极客湾. That is their chinese channel
He is dead 😢
@@mafiaboy011 what are you saying..... Is it true?!?! 😨
9 months
@@crazynote3781 They are currently very active on the Chinese channel
My iPhone 15 Pro with Metal FX on and max everything graphics including 120fps heists the phone up to 49.9 degrees C!! It’s even worse than you think.
I believe from what I got to understand from benchmarks the GPU of the SD8G2 it's what makes magical
I'm still wondering what the hell did they do to their gpu to be this powerful, literally nobody thought Snapdragon could have a better gpu than of the iPhones.
@@thefrog414But the performance in actual games make those results sus.
@@thefrog414 custom design and since they acquired Nuvia they will put their design of CPU cores pretty soon idk if the SD8G3 or SD8G4 but I'm pretty sure it will make a huge difference and take the lead on CPU performance other thing we should consider I guess the games and test that use 3D are more GPU bound then CPU bound hope someone do a detail explication on it.
another thing I have a phone with SD865 and honestly it's still super fast running everything and I believe I could still push a year or two with it without a hiccup.
and add to that software is what limiting our phones google is fing with our phone constantly if you go to Android subreddit you will find a lot of stories on this and that makes me wonder if they are degrading our phones on purpose
@@ThePowerLover what do you mean by that?
@@walid6329Wrong, 3D tests have a high CPU demand, that’s why Apple shines, the IPhone has so many vector accelerators on the CPU that it makes ARM Stock mediocre, and the entire Apple ecosystem takes advantage of it including games, maybe that’s the reason, Android has a problem on the CPU side.
This legend can never be rivaled by any other RUclipsr in terms of performance testing vids
LE :A17 LOOK AT ME I AM INTEL NOW
🤣🤣🤣 that’s right
Ayshere neeyum tech prandhan
We are waiting for the 8 gen 3 comparison
This channel gonna be the DIGITAL FOUNDRY for mobile device. MAD analysis lads. Respect
Give them a little time, because of the Chinese tone, which is very popular in China, but it will be a little strange to use to read English
Geekerwan: post new test data*
Content thieves on Twitter: OUR data
We need a Video to the exynos 2400 and 8 gen 3
17:41 perfectly shows why active cooling is indispensable when it comes to mobile gaming, look at the steady performance of the deck and how both iphone soc's start to throttle.
we miss you
Sir pls upload new video iam waiting from months , ur videos r so very detailed.
Big gpu disappointment
8 gen 3 and 8 gen 4 should be awesome
Rumors seem really good
Yeah. can't wait to test switch and other emulators on it. Iphones can't do that anyway.
@@TheRealGigaCathere im hoping that those iphone AAA games also come to androids, then i bet sd 8g3 gaming phones will easily run them at 1080p 60fps stable using similiar settings to iphone's maximum where it got 44fps.
Emulation will be much easier when windows on arm gets gaming support because the chipset is similar
@@Silent.killer_007 yes, absolutely.
Great video with great news Apple Silicon A17 chip
You guys got me sweatin during this two-week return window! lol
Was really hoping for better thermal performance outdoors. Screen-dimming/overheating was my main reason for upgrading.
Please make a review on sd gen 3 chipset. Lot of phones are going to come with this in the upcoming year.
soon maybe, he already uploaded a video about 8g3 in his chinese channel.
Was waiting for your review 😅
I casually check your channel for new videos and sometimes I rewatch old videos. Superb work.
You guys make really good comparison videos .will be checking out more of em.
I'm a low budget consumer.So acording to the effiency curves, i just need a cpu with a78 prime core, 2,2-2,4ghz freq,4nm process, TSMC manufacturer. I can't wait for snap 4 gen 3 anymore.
Great job guys! Just one note, a cpu running faster with an increased power consumption could still result in higher efficiencies if it completes a program significantly faster. Why not include total energy consumed in completing the SPEC2017 suite instead of just (what I’m assuming is) average power consumption?
Good point
Dear god they even used a ROBOT ARM
You don't see that everyday from tech reviewers, you guys have a new sub!
6:30 with great power comes lower efficiency
WAITING FOR COMPARISON BETWEEN A17 VS 8 GEN 3
This channel's reviews are definitely unmatched in youtube, hoping for the english channel to grow enough to become one of the team's priorities!!
Hands down the best tech review on this subject
I always look forward to your reviews when a new phone releases! Love the in depth testing! You guys go above and beyond for us! Can't wait for your video on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👏🏼
8Gen3 In their Chinese chanel
finally. Was waiting for this! Thanks guys!
3:41 “control temperature by breaking mechanism in software…”
How do you do that??? I need to know what you do to disable the “software thermal protections” in order to allow the phone to run at full performance.
A great job that allowed me to understand the detailed performance comparison of Apple's latest chips. This guy is amazing
No joke when I say that I watch your channel just for this type of videos. I am subscribed to many of them and none does this. Less with such detail.
You guys are simply brilliant! Such an in depth presentation! No offense but western RUclipsrs are so dull with the reviews.
This the most crazy and deep analysis without any bias to these iphone 15 series. You are doing awesome
Gotta wonder what was the point of getting to 3nm in the first place if the gains were not only minor but also inefficient…
We might have hit the manufacturing wall of thermals at 4nm. Not great for the future of chipset performance gains in the future :/
3nm can perform multiple tasks simultaneously and use less energy. But do consider the fact that Apple always increases the speed of their chips, which in turn requires more energy. So trying to counteract what you are constantly improving isn't a walk in the park, yet they somehow do it year by year. Even if that may be marginal improvements.
In the end, there are so many factors to consider in battery life. Including the level of intensity you put your phone through. Which many battery tests keep doing.
@@BobMcBurger1 efficiency is efficiency. I don’t remember a single dye shrink in manufacturing done before not having a benefit in power consumption/power draw OR performance (and sometimes both).
Neither is….concerning.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Well, iPhone is the first smartphone with a 3nm chip. So we have nothing else to properly compare it to which has the same chip size.
@@BobMcBurger1 exactly, so it’s concerning. Especially since Apple has a huge department working on chip design. It’s not like they’re some two bit company with no success figuring shit out
They spent a lot of money securing first dibs on 3nm. No way did they spend that money if they intended on a small improvement. There must be an engineering reason we don’t know about….
I work in consumer goods, and in this industry it’s super hard to get any kind of real incremental gains that isn’t accentuated by us marketers. They spend the $$$$$ because they thought the ROI was worth it.
Soooo….something is wrong
@@BobMcBurger1 We can compare it with previous gen 4nm SoCs, the improvements are underwhelming. It isn't as efficient as we thought, and actually runs hotter.
Please post new videos comparing latest chipsets
the best a17 pro review by far
You guys are scratching my PC gamer itch for seeing detailed performance metrics that generally aren't tested on mobile chips.
Great and objective review! You are one of the few reviewers that I have faith in their opinions.
Am I happy man to find this channel.
12:08 8 gen 2 still beating apple on gpu using half amount of power
Truly amazing
Guess i have to wait for another iphone generation
The A17 yes. But the A16 is just as efficient as the SD gen 2 at worse gaming performance but better in everything else such as video editing, battery life and software security and 90 hz refresh rate optimization.
the point is. What will we do with that GPU when apple doesn't support emulators. Its a complete waste.
@@TheRealGigaCatyeah you are right
But for this scenario I have redmagic 8 pro
@@TheRealGigaCatit’s actually really easy to get emulators nowadays on iPhones. You don’t even have to jailbreak. I load Dolphin on my iPad all the time.
@@jonathanpusar5931 all it has got is dolphin and ppsspp. There is nothing else.
On the other side Android can emulate everything upto Nintendo switch.
What I am trying to say is that iOS has a lack of apps itself. Developers don't take interest in it compared to Android where nearly all the emulators are open source and constant development goes on..
Not to mention the lack of proper file explorer in iOS.
Android can even run some PC titles such as stray using box64 and DXVK translation layer. Same thing that steam deck uses.
Even if iOS enables side loading. It will take years to reach where Android is in terms of community service.
when will you guys do a video about snapdragon gen3 ?