Guys, I always love that you pay attention to what really matters and not to marketing noise. And making deep meaningful tests to find the truth. Keep it up! 🔥
I wish more reviewers dove into performance like Geekerwan does. This really is the channel I look forward to watching the most when a high-end mobile chip is launched.
Again, it comes down to what you do on you phone. If it is something intensive, of course your phone will lose power considerably faster. Including tests can very from channel to channel. Because what mainly matters is what you do with your phone and not what a test tells you. But do consider the fact iPhone battery life improves year by year, even if test results don't show that.
@@BobMcBurger1 eh the test he ran was fairly normal. It wasn’t a pure gaming test or anything like that. I expect bad battery life from any phone or device when gaming. So yeah….if this holds up post release there’s gonna be a lot of angry customers
@@jonathanpusar5931 I'll admit I'm not impressed either but consider that iOS 17 is still new. Give it some updates and things will improve, since I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
While others talk about a little button on the side, USB-C and 5x zoom this guys open a whole benchmark test suit on the thing. This is absolutely top material when checking out smartphone hardware. Way ahead of anything else and what most of us interested in the tech inside have been missing.
And there's nothing wrong with talking about things like the new action button, the USBC, or the zoom. The average consumer doesn't care about in-depth chip analysis. They'd rather hear about the former features.
Amazing and detailed analysis as always! The only one doing proper SOC reviews. My takeaway is pretty much, not much has been improved, the E-Cores are actually quite impressive, and the soft eng and graphic programmers have done a phenomenal job, porting an actual game on a phone. Hell, you could run RE8 on the A15 just fine, but is gimped by ram. Also, while the chips quickly thermal throttles, I am amazed how it can run the game at a playable 30fps, ~4W.
That part is less surprising if you’ve been paying attention to gaming performance on MacBook Airs ever since the M1. It’s limited by Mac OS, but the games that run natively are impressive. These smartphones can easily compete with x86 laptops (the iPad has been beating Windows in raw performance vs Intel for awhile).
@@jonathanpusar5931 That's true. At the end of the day, it all comes down to physics. I feel like they should discover more paths to dissipate all that heat quicker, efficiently (well know that I think about it, some android phones do this pretty well). Then again, idk if we've already hit that ceiling with such small devices.
@@NootNoot. I’m hoping these results are due to poor optimization pre release (as it’s only officially released today, and there’s already an iOS 17 update). If not…oof. I really think we’ve finally hit the end of the road for real computing performance boost without a new technological or engineering breakthrough.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Classic software update cope. /s aside, Apple tends to do this better than android, so I'm sure we'll some sort of improvement. Although, just keeping expectations low
Geekerwan has been continuously updating videos in the Chinese channel, along with English subtitles. However, it seems that Geekerwan only recreates English versions of some large-scale videos, so it may still take some time....
@@TheRealGigaCathere im hoping that those iphone AAA games also come to androids, then i bet sd 8g3 gaming phones will easily run them at 1080p 60fps stable using similiar settings to iphone's maximum where it got 44fps.
While other YT channels have the capacity to just talk about battery efficiency and SoC performance this is the only channel that shows and knows how it should be done. As always awesome video and really shows the depth of knowledge you guys have. I have rarely come across another channel that is as technically capable as you guys are. After watching your videos the other channels who claim to be "tech reviewers" just seem like social network celebrities to me.
Yeah, this is what "tech review" is, not just showing glamour shots of the device and talking how nice you find it. Actual tech review is hard which is why others can't or don't want to do it and just prefer to talk on surface level features. That is why it is great having guys like this that put in the effort.
This is no doubt the most professional and in-depth review of the new iPhone's performance and efficiency. It makes other reviews look soooo shallow. Other reviewer simply talk about how it "feels" to use the phone, without showing almost any useful statistics. They really should aim for Geekerwan's level and step up.
While I like Geekerwan's technical deep dive, I still prefer how others talk about the real world usage and their personal input. If every tech review is just talking about the numbers then the whole platform is just having the same content
@@JohnDiew Numbers are not just numbers. How numbers are produced; what numbers to present, and how to make numbers meaningful and form a story. These are all important questions to answer, and believe me, every creator will have different ideas on that. Geekerwan was the first channel to produce and organize the graph of the power-energy curve, and the actual performance of CPUs since SG888 aligned better with the curve than the single benchmark number. This is "different". For the battery life test, Geekerwan produced the automated scripts/robotics arm to mimic people's daily activity of multi-tasking on multiple APPs, which is more meaningful than recording the time playing RUclips videos as many reviewers did. And the number they produced simply aligns better. That is the art of using numbers from Geekerwan. Of course, good reviewers like MKBHD are also necessary, and Geekerwan simply admits that they are not good at evaluating screens, cameras, sounds, etc. But to be honest, cameras/sounds and many aspects of the phones can also be quantified and better presented to the customers. We actually need more professional reviewers on these aspects; similar to Geekerwan on SOC.
@@JohnDiewPersonally would prefer cold hard numbers. Geekerwan is still somewhat biased because of the silicon lottery. Multiple sources for this information is best. Anecdotal reviews are near useless since everyone uses their phones differently.
A17 pro is heating mess without cooling,if they had used vapour camber cooling. Efficiency wouldn't be that bad. A17 pro = Snapdragon 888 of iphones Both are heating mess
Please do more videos on this english channel. Youve only made 15 videos, and youve already made almost half the subscribers of your chinese main channel. The english speakers love this!
Thanks for the English version, I can't wait for you to compare the A17 with the 8g3 and D9300 in a couple months. Also hope you can test MetalFX Upscaling vs Qualcomm's GSR
iPhones are so behind. Androids are so much better !!! I own an iPhone myself the 14. Assss 🙁 13 looks just like mine and the 15 looks just like mine . iPhone for the looks 🔥 android for the quality 🔥🙏🏽
My key takeaways: *CPU:* - A17 performance cores are less efficient than A16 p-cores but can achieve more power with a lot more power draw - A17 efficiency cores are better power and efficiency-wise than A16 e-cores - Both are still generations ahead of Snapdragon: SD8 Gen2 comparable to an A14 (iPhone 12 Pro) *GPU:* - Still worse than Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, comparable with Mediatek Dimensity 9200+ - Achieves ~32fps in Resident Evil Village at 4W consumption, vs Steam Deck's ~37fps at 15W (actually impressive) *Battery life and thermals:* - Slightly worse than iPhone 14 Pro, while also running hotter Seems the 3nm process did not provide any meaningful upgrades over 5nm
I think it's not TSMC fault for not being good at improving to a better 3nm process, this is Apple's own choice to use a not-ready 3nm process, they knew it would be bad but keep pushing anyway. TSMC will make a better 3nm process, but should be 6 months plus from now. Awesome analysis, I watched both of your Chinese and English version, can't get enough of it haha
Yeah, Apple's using N3B, N3 or N3X is not ready, and will not be ready any time soon, more like 8 months or so. My theory is that A17 is just a rewamped A16 for N3B, no actual architectural changes at all, except for 8GB RAM. Basically every single performance gain comes from N3B since the IPC gain is ~2%-3% (from few tweaks made from more transistors using the new litography). The high consumption came from iOS, Apple says, it's fixed in the new iOS update without performance losses, so it should be even 5% more efficient, Apple claims.
You are giga monsters. For me, you're the best tech youtuber on smartphones. Your videos are of our level compared to other youtubers, it's impressive. They show how well you've mastered the subject. In any case thank you for this very intersecting video.
Geekerwan China already has English subtitles. What's stopping you guys from using ai tools to generate audio tracks for the English channel. Even AI generated English audio tracks on the geekerwan China would also be great. 🙏
It’s difficult to say there isn’t any improvement when at its peak the A17 is a monster it just drains the battery. Would be great to see if a software update can help some of this
According to rumors, the SD8G3 chip is looking to be a pretty big step up. I really do hope to see a video on that SoC and see if those rumors are correct. You guys do great work and out of all the reviewers for all phones, I think you guys are the best in terms of being able to gauge the performance of a phone. Since most reviewers just throw the phones at geekbench, which from what I've read up on is fairly biased.
when are you guys reviewing the new dimensity chips and snapdragon 8 gen 3. im buying a phone and i only trust you but now i need to wait until you tell me whats better. dimenisty 9200+ or snapdragon 8 gen 2
由中文台過來的香港sub，只想說一句：你的英文太炫了！Bravo！Great work and effort. 整體流暢、intonation也不錯、地道的expression，是還有一點點accent，但完全不妨礙理解，再多做幾條片，精進一下口語，就成一個native speaker突破1m的國際大V了 提一點建議，可以把說話的節奏放慢一點點，留一點空白，質感會感覺高級一點，耳朵也舒服一些
Doing the god's work. Amazing video, very informative. I knew Apple's E-cores were faster than the stock ARM alternatives for Android, but not that fast. That explains a lot why usually iPhones feel faster in general, light usage. Most of the non demanding tasks are carried by these cores.
Exactly. When compared to the 1+3+4 config. Of the 9200; Apple’s could be considered rather a 2+4+0 design. I’m looking forward to Mediatek’s 9300; but afraid of its power draw.
@@ramseyrodriguez8515 absolutely! Some people complain about Apple still having 6 cores instead of 8 or more but why would they need to add more if their efficient cores are so powerful... If anything, it is ARM who needs to catch up with their 'little' cores or improve efficiency of their middle ones.
I think that not even in games these cores are used, I only used the P-Cores in rendering in InShot with a frequency of 2.8ghz in 3W and it was not the Maximum Clock of the A15 Bionic, in games I use the LPM Mode of the IPhone with a frequency of 1.8ghz that are of the E-Cores, that is, you could play anything using the low consumption mode but without losing performance, Apple’s E-colors are above the ARM Stock since the A14 Bionic.
i cant wait for the snapdragon x elite review, i think its not more in the class of arm socs with 30 and 50 watts of tdp, arm its about less energy consumin
From now on other smartphone reviewers should just review the phone and not do the unrealistic maximum benchmarks. This is how you review real world smartphone performance.
You could had also showed us the performance difference using the MetalFX and also show us how the power draw reduces into using a targeted frame rate with MetalFX enabled and disabled. Other than that I have no words for the quality of the review. If not from you I couldn't know the actual differences in architectural improvements vs the last generation
I don't think much attention on MetalFX is worth it right now because it is still basically work on progress. When is fully launched and is in games then a full dedicated video will be better.
The A17 yes. But the A16 is just as efficient as the SD gen 2 at worse gaming performance but better in everything else such as video editing, battery life and software security and 90 hz refresh rate optimization.
@@TheRealGigaCatit’s actually really easy to get emulators nowadays on iPhones. You don’t even have to jailbreak. I load Dolphin on my iPad all the time.
@@jonathanpusar5931 all it has got is dolphin and ppsspp. There is nothing else. On the other side Android can emulate everything upto Nintendo switch. What I am trying to say is that iOS has a lack of apps itself. Developers don't take interest in it compared to Android where nearly all the emulators are open source and constant development goes on.. Not to mention the lack of proper file explorer in iOS. Android can even run some PC titles such as stray using box64 and DXVK translation layer. Same thing that steam deck uses. Even if iOS enables side loading. It will take years to reach where Android is in terms of community service.
@@ThePowerLover 8Gen2 is actually not worse at games. It delivers same performance but with higher power draw. Thanks to the CPU bottleneck. Didn't you see the midrange core's (A510) power draw for the same amount of performance? That's why Qualcomm is trying to get rid of ARM and start making their own CPUs as well with Oryon chips next year. If that becomes successful it's gonna be untouchable.
With this extremely good performance of the E-cores it feels like Apple is just not managing their cores very well anymore. It seems the P-cores run up way too often which then results in worse battery life when it's not even useful. In 99% of time Apple could just deactivate the P-cores entirely but I guess they get used every time you even open an app...
Low power mode turns off the P-cores entirely. Granted it also restricts the refresh rate to 60Hz, downclocks the E-cores, dims the screen and turns off or downclocks the GPU cores
@@GeekerwanI think a good low power mode would be to restrict max power draw to around 2W for the CPU. Then let the management distribute the 2W to P and E-cores in the most efficient way.
I follow you from Syria. I hope you will repeat the experience of making mobile games with the Note 12 Turbo mobile with Snapdragon 7 Plus Generation 2. If you would like me, click like.
Hey Geekerwan, just wanted to ask a question; is there any chance to see better battery life from software updates that can maybe allow the limiting of the cpu? Also, does low power mode have a greater effect this time around with how powerful the chip is?
Apple do update a lot but they probably won't tell you about battery life improvement. And low power mode is super low this time so expect good efficiency but do not use it in games.
@@GeekerwanExcellent. Low power mode could substantially increase battery life this time if people do everything but gaming. Would you guys mind doing a battery life test in low power mode with the same 1hour test cycle done in normal mode - and post it afterwards? I believe many people would be interested. Thanx for this super detailed and great video
Great job guys! Just one note, a cpu running faster with an increased power consumption could still result in higher efficiencies if it completes a program significantly faster. Why not include total energy consumed in completing the SPEC2017 suite instead of just (what I’m assuming is) average power consumption?
So basically if I'm going to buy a better battery phone between 15 and 15 pro should I choose the base model? Or do you think with further iOS updates the battery of the pro will improve better?
the power efficiency of a17pro is not lower than a16, so you can buy the pro version of iphone15. The battery problem showing in the video is caused by boost, which consumes tons more energy but only let you open your gmail 0.0001s fast. it can and must will be fixed by future iOS update.
I always look forward to your reviews when a new phone releases! Love the in depth testing! You guys go above and beyond for us! Can't wait for your video on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👏🏼
I am waiting for snapdragon 8 gen 3 test using Genshin Impact with FSR3. That shit would be best. Even if they dont release fsr3 for mobile. Someone could force enable it on a device to test performance iimprovement.
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The fact you guys made this in just 3 days is incredible. major props to your team
emmmmm. actually ,this video's mandarin version has been already released 3 days ago
bro , you don't know how easy to make a different languege version these days@@MarcABrown-tt1fp
This video was out on day 1, in Chinese
@@danrichard5442😮
Watch my unboxing of the iPhone 15 Pro Max!! 🖤
Your videos are seriously by far and away the best testing standards for these devices! This needs so many more views!
FYI, their Chinese channel are more up to date and has started to include English subtitles since the last 10-20 videos.
@@Casualgaming-dw5gm what his chinese channel bro? mind share the link 🙏 thanks
@@shinnoke8 RUclips do not allow links, search 极客湾
@@shinnoke8 极客湾Geekerwan
I think they are one of the best tech channel
Guys, I always love that you pay attention to what really matters and not to marketing noise. And making deep meaningful tests to find the truth. Keep it up! 🔥
💯
You are like +1M times more useful than any other tech channel could ever be. Thanks!
Agree. Make that +2M
a lot better than *cough* mkbhd *cough* , literally the most basic "tech" youtuber.
@@dx5784like reading the advertisement script
What about LTT?
With it's messed up graphs and sponsored segments 🤣
@@dx5784 mkbhd is a tech influencer at this point, not really a tech reviewer.
Your Power efficiency tests are the only tests on RUclips that are actually useable and fantastic!
He's in my top 5 deep analysis tech RUclipsrs, just incredible work that I greatly appreciate
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 what's your top 5 list? thanks
@@angeloa.lapizar8139who are the rest?
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Please tell us the other 4 RUclipsrs, we really need it
@@angeloa.lapizar8139 Can you name other deep analysis channels?
I wish more reviewers dove into performance like Geekerwan does. This really is the channel I look forward to watching the most when a high-end mobile chip is launched.
definitely dude！
Their results are inconsistent with what I experience in real life daily use.
Guys.... Where is your new video..... It's already been five months..... C'mon guys
This is a english channel,if you wang to see new videos you can search the @geekerwan 极客湾. That is their chinese channel
He is dead 😢
@@mafiaboy4925 what are you saying..... Is it true?!?! 😨
9 months
@@crazynote3781 They are currently very active on the Chinese channel
Waited for the English Version
Apple is really drawing a lot of power. 😢
My friend change 15 pro max from 14 pro max , he got his phone today . He has used 8 hours , he said heat control not really good .
@@panpan7945I’m actually holding off picking up my phone watching this video…honestly it looks really bad unless the tests were faulty.
Again, it comes down to what you do on you phone. If it is something intensive, of course your phone will lose power considerably faster. Including tests can very from channel to channel.
Because what mainly matters is what you do with your phone and not what a test tells you. But do consider the fact iPhone battery life improves year by year, even if test results don't show that.
@@BobMcBurger1 eh the test he ran was fairly normal. It wasn’t a pure gaming test or anything like that. I expect bad battery life from any phone or device when gaming.
So yeah….if this holds up post release there’s gonna be a lot of angry customers
@@jonathanpusar5931 I'll admit I'm not impressed either but consider that iOS 17 is still new. Give it some updates and things will improve, since I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
the fact that they just make 2 different languages of a17pro analysis videos in a week is just amazing. Shout out to Geekerwan🔥
Where did you go?? Your reviews are the best, and I'm dying for more!
They didn't go anywhere,they now upload on their chinese youtube channel with english subtitles.Hope this helped
@@e64proyou got a link bro we need it
While others talk about a little button on the side, USB-C and 5x zoom this guys open a whole benchmark test suit on the thing.
This is absolutely top material when checking out smartphone hardware.
Way ahead of anything else and what most of us interested in the tech inside have been missing.
Anandtech still do deep dives on SOC architectural breakdown
And there's nothing wrong with talking about things like the new action button, the USBC, or the zoom. The average consumer doesn't care about in-depth chip analysis. They'd rather hear about the former features.
@@phothewin6019U commented in every threat lmao, tryhard apple fanboy
@@orionmobile6545 What threat? What are you waffling about lol?
Geerkerwan对手机的性能评测可能是整个RUclips上最专业的。我已经订阅了他们7年了！
Amazing and detailed analysis as always! The only one doing proper SOC reviews. My takeaway is pretty much, not much has been improved, the E-Cores are actually quite impressive, and the soft eng and graphic programmers have done a phenomenal job, porting an actual game on a phone. Hell, you could run RE8 on the A15 just fine, but is gimped by ram. Also, while the chips quickly thermal throttles, I am amazed how it can run the game at a playable 30fps, ~4W.
That part is less surprising if you’ve been paying attention to gaming performance on MacBook Airs ever since the M1. It’s limited by Mac OS, but the games that run natively are impressive.
These smartphones can easily compete with x86 laptops (the iPad has been beating Windows in raw performance vs Intel for awhile).
@@jonathanpusar5931 That's true. At the end of the day, it all comes down to physics. I feel like they should discover more paths to dissipate all that heat quicker, efficiently (well know that I think about it, some android phones do this pretty well). Then again, idk if we've already hit that ceiling with such small devices.
@@NootNoot. I’m hoping these results are due to poor optimization pre release (as it’s only officially released today, and there’s already an iOS 17 update).
If not…oof. I really think we’ve finally hit the end of the road for real computing performance boost without a new technological or engineering breakthrough.
@@jonathanpusar5931 Classic software update cope. /s aside, Apple tends to do this better than android, so I'm sure we'll some sort of improvement. Although, just keeping expectations low
@@NootNoot. less cope more hope lol. It would suck for us to be stuck with only tock improvements….
The only channel I can trust in terms of SoC performance. Thank you for delivering such an in-depth review again.
What happened bro why you not uploading videos 🤔
Geekerwan has been continuously updating videos in the Chinese channel, along with English subtitles. However, it seems that Geekerwan only recreates English versions of some large-scale videos, so it may still take some time....
Did you lose interest in RUclips already? Where are you?
They still upload on their Chinese channel
link@@thefunnycascadedude
@@abhi36292google 極客灣
Big gpu disappointment
8 gen 3 and 8 gen 4 should be awesome
Rumors seem really good
Yeah. can't wait to test switch and other emulators on it. Iphones can't do that anyway.
@@TheRealGigaCathere im hoping that those iphone AAA games also come to androids, then i bet sd 8g3 gaming phones will easily run them at 1080p 60fps stable using similiar settings to iphone's maximum where it got 44fps.
Emulation will be much easier when windows on arm gets gaming support because the chipset is similar
@@Silent.killer_007 yes, absolutely.
The only channel who's processer reviews I care for❤❤
I second that
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While other YT channels have the capacity to just talk about battery efficiency and SoC performance this is the only channel that shows and knows how it should be done.
As always awesome video and really shows the depth of knowledge you guys have. I have rarely come across another channel that is as technically capable as you guys are. After watching your videos the other channels who claim to be "tech reviewers" just seem like social network celebrities to me.
Yeah, this is what "tech review" is, not just showing glamour shots of the device and talking how nice you find it.
Actual tech review is hard which is why others can't or don't want to do it and just prefer to talk on surface level features. That is why it is great having guys like this that put in the effort.
The fact that this channel has only 220k subscribers boggles me. Very underrated channel.
@@johntitor6851 True
This is no doubt the most professional and in-depth review of the new iPhone's performance and efficiency. It makes other reviews look soooo shallow. Other reviewer simply talk about how it "feels" to use the phone, without showing almost any useful statistics. They really should aim for Geekerwan's level and step up.
While I like Geekerwan's technical deep dive, I still prefer how others talk about the real world usage and their personal input. If every tech review is just talking about the numbers then the whole platform is just having the same content
@@JohnDiew Numbers are not just numbers. How numbers are produced; what numbers to present, and how to make numbers meaningful and form a story. These are all important questions to answer, and believe me, every creator will have different ideas on that.
Geekerwan was the first channel to produce and organize the graph of the power-energy curve, and the actual performance of CPUs since SG888 aligned better with the curve than the single benchmark number. This is "different".
For the battery life test, Geekerwan produced the automated scripts/robotics arm to mimic people's daily activity of multi-tasking on multiple APPs, which is more meaningful than recording the time playing RUclips videos as many reviewers did. And the number they produced simply aligns better.
That is the art of using numbers from Geekerwan. Of course, good reviewers like MKBHD are also necessary, and Geekerwan simply admits that they are not good at evaluating screens, cameras, sounds, etc.
But to be honest, cameras/sounds and many aspects of the phones can also be quantified and better presented to the customers. We actually need more professional reviewers on these aspects; similar to Geekerwan on SOC.
@@JohnDiewPersonally would prefer cold hard numbers. Geekerwan is still somewhat biased because of the silicon lottery. Multiple sources for this information is best.
Anecdotal reviews are near useless since everyone uses their phones differently.
A17 pro is heating mess without cooling,if they had used vapour camber cooling. Efficiency wouldn't be that bad.
A17 pro = Snapdragon 888 of iphones
Both are heating mess
apple is going the intel way, pump more power and get more perfomance
Nah. SD888 is worse. iPhone 15 Pro is good now after updates.
They are planning to comr back soon! They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English channel supervisor few days ago on their Chinese socials.
Please do more videos on this english channel. Youve only made 15 videos, and youve already made almost half the subscribers of your chinese main channel. The english speakers love this!
Almost one year no new video
Thanks for the English version, I can't wait for you to compare the A17 with the 8g3 and D9300 in a couple months. Also hope you can test MetalFX Upscaling vs Qualcomm's GSR
D9300 is the one with all big cores, right?
@@aItaccount The D9300 is X4+X4+A720, no A520. But then again Apple's E cores+L2 are larger than the A720+L2
Metal fx is probably better its hardware based gsr is based on fsr 1
@@vincelongman3264 I thought it had 4 X4 cores
@@aItaccount Yes, but it will be 1x X4 + 3x X4. Similar to previous 1+3+4 setups
iPhones are so behind. Androids are so much better !!! I own an iPhone myself the 14. Assss 🙁 13 looks just like mine and the 15 looks just like mine . iPhone for the looks 🔥 android for the quality 🔥🙏🏽
My key takeaways:
*CPU:*
- A17 performance cores are less efficient than A16 p-cores but can achieve more power with a lot more power draw
- A17 efficiency cores are better power and efficiency-wise than A16 e-cores
- Both are still generations ahead of Snapdragon: SD8 Gen2 comparable to an A14 (iPhone 12 Pro)
*GPU:*
- Still worse than Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, comparable with Mediatek Dimensity 9200+
- Achieves ~32fps in Resident Evil Village at 4W consumption, vs Steam Deck's ~37fps at 15W (actually impressive)
*Battery life and thermals:*
- Slightly worse than iPhone 14 Pro, while also running hotter
Seems the 3nm process did not provide any meaningful upgrades over 5nm
Come back guys
They are coming back soon. They just posted a vacancy for Geekerwan English Channel Supervisor at Bilibili few days ago!
@@lj9683 Thanks for info bro. I'll be waiting for upcoming videos.
I think it's not TSMC fault for not being good at improving to a better 3nm process, this is Apple's own choice to use a not-ready 3nm process, they knew it would be bad but keep pushing anyway.
TSMC will make a better 3nm process, but should be 6 months plus from now.
Awesome analysis, I watched both of your Chinese and English version, can't get enough of it haha
In fact, it only turns in A18/19, that’s because TSMC had problems with N3, so it only had improvements in Density and not efficiency.
Yeah, Apple's using N3B, N3 or N3X is not ready, and will not be ready any time soon, more like 8 months or so. My theory is that A17 is just a rewamped A16 for N3B, no actual architectural changes at all, except for 8GB RAM. Basically every single performance gain comes from N3B since the IPC gain is ~2%-3% (from few tweaks made from more transistors using the new litography). The high consumption came from iOS, Apple says, it's fixed in the new iOS update without performance losses, so it should be even 5% more efficient, Apple claims.
Apple just didnt care about the performance increasing,they just need to tell the costomers that our IPHONE is the best and it is always advancing
This is how reviews should be done, Bravo
My iPhone 15 Pro with Metal FX on and max everything graphics including 120fps heists the phone up to 49.9 degrees C!! It’s even worse than you think.
You are giga monsters. For me, you're the best tech youtuber on smartphones. Your videos are of our level compared to other youtubers, it's impressive. They show how well you've mastered the subject. In any case thank you for this very intersecting video.
Performance Is useless if it draws that much power, especially on GPU side...
13:47 wait you have reach to Xiaomi mediatek and now mihoyo too. 🙄
Geekerwan China already has English subtitles. What's stopping you guys from using ai tools to generate audio tracks for the English channel.
Even AI generated English audio tracks on the geekerwan China would also be great. 🙏
It’s difficult to say there isn’t any improvement when at its peak the A17 is a monster it just drains the battery. Would be great to see if a software update can help some of this
You either get battery or performance, but not both. That is the whole point of power efficiency that Apple used to emphasize.
Hey i have a good idea.. can u change iphone 15-15 plus display to 120hz
Where is this man now???
On main channel
LE :A17 LOOK AT ME I AM INTEL NOW
🤣🤣🤣 that’s right
Ayshere neeyum tech prandhan
We need a Video to the exynos 2400 and 8 gen 3
I'm waiting for a new video. geekerwan is the most complete in discussing technology.
哥们是忘了这个频道密码了吗，赶紧把红魔600掌机端上来啊！ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
This cannot be 3nm, there is something completely wrong with these chips given the insane power draw.
Seems that indeed TSMC’s 3N is underperforming. Probably increased densities; but no meaningful power efficiency increase.
TSMC has 3E and 3B
According to rumors, the SD8G3 chip is looking to be a pretty big step up. I really do hope to see a video on that SoC and see if those rumors are correct. You guys do great work and out of all the reviewers for all phones, I think you guys are the best in terms of being able to gauge the performance of a phone. Since most reviewers just throw the phones at geekbench, which from what I've read up on is fairly biased.
And they declare soc supremacy by just showing geekbench scores and forget that gpu exists.
Well, since they’re like 3 generations behind Apples, they must have a big step up.
@@dougmoratoIn what?
@@Silent.killer_007 They didn't declare SoC supremacy, they declared CPU supremacy. You not liking the results doesn't make them invalid.
Has anything been said about the 8 Gen 3 GPU?
Please make a review on sd gen 3 chipset. Lot of phones are going to come with this in the upcoming year.
soon maybe, he already uploaded a video about 8g3 in his chinese channel.
when are you guys reviewing the new dimensity chips and snapdragon 8 gen 3. im buying a phone and i only trust you but now i need to wait until you tell me whats better. dimenisty 9200+ or snapdragon 8 gen 2
Check their other channel, I tried 8300 and 8 gen 2 I'd say they're pretty close but I'd go for SD bc of custom roms and better image processing
This channel deserves more. I believe you guys are the most reliable source of information that the phone manufacturers rarely talks about.
6:30 with great power comes lower efficiency
You guys are simply brilliant! Such an in depth presentation! No offense but western RUclipsrs are so dull with the reviews.
由中文台過來的香港sub，只想說一句：你的英文太炫了！Bravo！Great work and effort.
整體流暢、intonation也不錯、地道的expression，是還有一點點accent，但完全不妨礙理解，再多做幾條片，精進一下口語，就成一個native speaker突破1m的國際大V了
提一點建議，可以把說話的節奏放慢一點點，留一點空白，質感會感覺高級一點，耳朵也舒服一些
Doing the god's work. Amazing video, very informative. I knew Apple's E-cores were faster than the stock ARM alternatives for Android, but not that fast. That explains a lot why usually iPhones feel faster in general, light usage. Most of the non demanding tasks are carried by these cores.
Exactly. When compared to the 1+3+4 config. Of the 9200; Apple’s could be considered rather a 2+4+0 design. I’m looking forward to Mediatek’s 9300; but afraid of its power draw.
@@ramseyrodriguez8515 absolutely! Some people complain about Apple still having 6 cores instead of 8 or more but why would they need to add more if their efficient cores are so powerful... If anything, it is ARM who needs to catch up with their 'little' cores or improve efficiency of their middle ones.
I think that not even in games these cores are used, I only used the P-Cores in rendering in InShot with a frequency of 2.8ghz in 3W and it was not the Maximum Clock of the A15 Bionic, in games I use the LPM Mode of the IPhone with a frequency of 1.8ghz that are of the E-Cores, that is, you could play anything using the low consumption mode but without losing performance, Apple’s E-colors are above the ARM Stock since the A14 Bionic.
8gen 3 is here s24ultra is launched
What is your opinion make a vedio bro
这个放在油管简直是独角兽！
are you alive ? 😅 8month without posting
中文频道一直在更新，你可以搜下“极客湾”这个名字，虽然说的是中文😢
You and your team are awesome
i cant wait for the snapdragon x elite review, i think its not more in the class of arm socs with 30 and 50 watts of tdp, arm its about less energy consumin
Yep , it gets too hot like a16 bionic 😅😅😅 and apple is excited to sell it anyway 😅
From now on other smartphone reviewers should just review the phone and not do the unrealistic maximum benchmarks. This is how you review real world smartphone performance.
Absolute quality content, no other phone benchmark channel comes close!
Sir pls upload new video iam waiting from months , ur videos r so very detailed.
You could had also showed us the performance difference using the MetalFX and also show us how the power draw reduces into using a targeted frame rate with MetalFX enabled and disabled. Other than that I have no words for the quality of the review. If not from you I couldn't know the actual differences in architectural improvements vs the last generation
I don't think much attention on MetalFX is worth it right now because it is still basically work on progress.
When is fully launched and is in games then a full dedicated video will be better.
Please guys post English videos too. It's been ages now I'm waiting for your videos 🥹
same
Hey man make a power efficiency test between Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite & Apple M series' chipsets
He said x elite is shxt and he won’t release the test because it’s boring 😢
12:08 8 gen 2 still beating apple on gpu using half amount of power
Truly amazing
Guess i have to wait for another iphone generation
The A17 yes. But the A16 is just as efficient as the SD gen 2 at worse gaming performance but better in everything else such as video editing, battery life and software security and 90 hz refresh rate optimization.
the point is. What will we do with that GPU when apple doesn't support emulators. Its a complete waste.
@@TheRealGigaCatyeah you are right
But for this scenario I have redmagic 8 pro
@@TheRealGigaCatit’s actually really easy to get emulators nowadays on iPhones. You don’t even have to jailbreak. I load Dolphin on my iPad all the time.
@@jonathanpusar5931 all it has got is dolphin and ppsspp. There is nothing else.
On the other side Android can emulate everything upto Nintendo switch.
What I am trying to say is that iOS has a lack of apps itself. Developers don't take interest in it compared to Android where nearly all the emulators are open source and constant development goes on..
Not to mention the lack of proper file explorer in iOS.
Android can even run some PC titles such as stray using box64 and DXVK translation layer. Same thing that steam deck uses.
Even if iOS enables side loading. It will take years to reach where Android is in terms of community service.
Xiaomi Pad 6S Pro 12.4 try enhanced it please🙏.
Where is the 8 gen 3 review??
Hey!
The Mediatek Dimensity is back with insane 9300
Can you test them?!
很好的视频，使我的B站旋转，爱来自美国。
Geekerwan: post new test data*
Content thieves on Twitter: OUR data
Finally, a real iphone review instead of lazy regurgitated information from the apple keynote
Snapdragon's GPU is on PC level bro... Apple couldn't even reach 8Gen2 and now 8Gen3 is coming soon 💀
It makes me want to buy a Snapdragon Gen 3 SoC for my next computer.
@@devilefty3814 Wow that sounds amazing I can't wait.
@@devilefty3814damn👀👀
So why run games so bad compared to iPhones?
@@ThePowerLover 8Gen2 is actually not worse at games. It delivers same performance but with higher power draw. Thanks to the CPU bottleneck. Didn't you see the midrange core's (A510) power draw for the same amount of performance? That's why Qualcomm is trying to get rid of ARM and start making their own CPUs as well with Oryon chips next year. If that becomes successful it's gonna be untouchable.
A great job that allowed me to understand the detailed performance comparison of Apple's latest chips. This guy is amazing
Pls make 8 gen 3 soon. thanks in advance👍👍
Is bro alive??
He has a Chinese channel active in yt. That's called 极客湾
Great video with great news Apple Silicon A17 chip
Best channel for choosing a new phone
7 months and no new video…
They have a Chinese channel that's more active
check the chense one and english subtitles available as well
@@WonderfulBoness what is the name of english channel?
@@hsnakgn geekerwan is the English channel and the other channel is in the community tab
😮This guy is the final Boss of phones benchmark testing 🔥
Geekerwan > all those so called “Tech RUclipsrs” know absolutely no shxt about technical techs.
With this extremely good performance of the E-cores it feels like Apple is just not managing their cores very well anymore. It seems the P-cores run up way too often which then results in worse battery life when it's not even useful.
In 99% of time Apple could just deactivate the P-cores entirely but I guess they get used every time you even open an app...
Low power mode turns off the P-cores entirely. Granted it also restricts the refresh rate to 60Hz, downclocks the E-cores, dims the screen and turns off or downclocks the GPU cores
@@TheStopwatchGod low power mode doesn't turn off p cores it only down clocks the cpu.
@@INFINITY-f1m On previous gen yes, but seems like 15Pro series change the strategy.
@@Geekerwan😮
@@GeekerwanI think a good low power mode would be to restrict max power draw to around 2W for the CPU. Then let the management distribute the 2W to P and E-cores in the most efficient way.
“Pro” probably means sacrificing battery life for every bit of performance.
so i guess 15 pro sucks
Summary: with marginal increase in power but decrease in efficiency, A17 pro is as disappointing as TSMC 3nm.
This olnly on peak performance this is very good news
Considering how much better even last year chip is the the best android phone is crazy
I follow you from Syria. I hope you will repeat the experience of making mobile games with the Note 12 Turbo mobile with Snapdragon 7 Plus Generation 2. If you would like me, click like.
Hey Geekerwan, just wanted to ask a question; is there any chance to see better battery life from software updates that can maybe allow the limiting of the cpu? Also, does low power mode have a greater effect this time around with how powerful the chip is?
Apple do update a lot but they probably won't tell you about battery life improvement. And low power mode is super low this time so expect good efficiency but do not use it in games.
@@Geekerwan awesome, ty for the response!
@@GeekerwanExcellent. Low power mode could substantially increase battery life this time if people do everything but gaming. Would you guys mind doing a battery life test in low power mode with the same 1hour test cycle done in normal mode - and post it afterwards? I believe many people would be interested. Thanx for this super detailed and great video
@@Geekerwanis it really limited to 1.5 watts this time in low power mode?
Also where is the dimensity 9300 and 8300 ultra
Great job guys! Just one note, a cpu running faster with an increased power consumption could still result in higher efficiencies if it completes a program significantly faster. Why not include total energy consumed in completing the SPEC2017 suite instead of just (what I’m assuming is) average power consumption?
Good point
WAITING FOR COMPARISON BETWEEN A17 VS 8 GEN 3
So basically if I'm going to buy a better battery phone between 15 and 15 pro should I choose the base model? Or do you think with further iOS updates the battery of the pro will improve better?
the power efficiency of a17pro is not lower than a16, so you can buy the pro version of iphone15. The battery problem showing in the video is caused by boost, which consumes tons more energy but only let you open your gmail 0.0001s fast. it can and must will be fixed by future iOS update.
Please Make Best
Custom rom and kernel combination for : Legendary Redmi K20 Pro
This channel gonna be the DIGITAL FOUNDRY for mobile device. MAD analysis lads. Respect
Give them a little time, because of the Chinese tone, which is very popular in China, but it will be a little strange to use to read English
At 20:00 he predicted exactly what Apple would end up doing in iOS 18
BABE WAKE UP GEEKERWARN JUST UPLOADED A VIDEO 😂❤
how is this made in 3 days but do we still not have s8g3 vs a17 review yet
So is Snapdragon Gen 3 better than Apples A17 and M3 series chips?
Definitely it seems to be like that.
I bet my money on sd 8gen 3's gpu. It will easily beat a17 pro and on par with m1, slower than m2 and m3.
@@Silent.killer_007 don’t forget lower TDPs!
I wonder how do they got access to root especially knowing that this bricks are locked down, somebody have any idea how?
I always look forward to your reviews when a new phone releases! Love the in depth testing! You guys go above and beyond for us! Can't wait for your video on Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👏🏼
8Gen3 In their Chinese chanel
卧槽？全英版？！😂牛逼啊老哥
I am waiting for snapdragon 8 gen 3 test using Genshin Impact with FSR3. That shit would be best. Even if they dont release fsr3 for mobile. Someone could force enable it on a device to test performance iimprovement.