MKBHD said ALOT of positive things especially in the first half of the video He even said most of the problems are software based and maybe are fixed with the new software update
@@TailosiveEV The car he reviewed didn't even have the latest software that was available at the time. It was outdated because it was sitting on a used car lot.
@@yeahman211 that's not true. He said in the video that most cars on the road. Only new cars ship with it. It hasn't been rolled out to the first customers yet
@@TailosiveEV That's ridiculous. If he were to go out and buy a Model 3 that hasn't been touched since 2020 and raised a bunch of issues with software, it's perfectly logical to critique that review on the basis of being out of date, and that's exactly what would happen on a mass scale. Of course there are plenty of issues with the car/company, but the review itself had practical methodological issues.
Preach. Fisker never actually had enough money to start production. Fisker signed a production contract with Magna and we can be sure part of that contract was minimum amounts Magna would be paid no matter how many cars Magna manufactured. This meant the clock was ticking starting November 2022 and if Fisker waited until they had good software in hand to start manufacturing in earnest and delivering cars, they would lack the money to buy the parts for the cars. As things were, Fisker only had enough capital to buy parts for about 10,000 cars, which is why a year ago when Henrik was “predicting” 42,000 cars for 2023 I was predicting 10,000…and I was right. But running a production line at 25% capacity with a contract manufacturer is always going to lose you money. Worse still, Fisker was lying about having 65,000 reservations. IF there was actually unmet demand for the Ocean then there would be a chance of getting funding to ramp production to 42,000 and maybe Fisker doesn’t lose huge amounts of money at that number. But demand seems to have been about 6,000 and a lot of used Oceans being available already makes even that number possibly high. It is not like Fisker was fighting off buyers before that review came out. Henrik Fisker is entirely to blame, he is a pathological liar scam artist and also very very bad at being the CEO of an automotive startup.
I have been driving the FO for 6 months now and have driven about 9000 miles so far. My driving experience with the FO has been very satisfactory. I am really surprised at the quality and equipment Fisker has delivered for this purchase price. Anyone who has bought an FO in the early stages must also know that it is a startup. If you take this into account, you'll overlook the out-of-roundness that existed before OS 2.0. If you are not in a position to do this, then you should generally keep your hands off a startup. I myself drove a Tesla for 6 years. In the beginning, the software at Tesla was also very modest. It has developed very well over the last six years. But if you look at autonomous driving, which Tesla has also been announcing for many years, then it's better not to trust it, at least in Europe. The quality of Tesla's design, we currently have a brand new Model 3 in the company, is still a long way from the Fisker Ocean, but admittedly a big step compared to the first Model 3 we had in the company. At least in this video it's clear what it's all about, you just have to pay attention to the background. Tesla was ahead of its time, and that's why many shortcomings were accepted in the beginning. Tesla has evolved, and the FO has more than made up for that. The basic equipment, which is already installed in high quality and equipment, will only give future software customization the right strength. I think with OS 3/4 at the latest, the FO will no longer have to hide from Tesla in this respect either. I don't even want to talk about the other EVs from German or Chinese manufacturers, where customers have to deal with the software and bugs much more.
I think my (and some others) main complaint with his review was that the title didn't match the review. The review was nuanced, flattering at times, and overall showed an alright picture of the Ocean. The title on the other hand lacked all of those nuances and painted it as "the worst car [he's] ever reviewed".
Sure there could’ve been a more accurate title, but it’s not what the core issue with the company is. Fisker is tanking cause they’re going bankrupt, not cause of Marques
I agree; the title and starting tone sounded like this vehicle had the worst ride in a vehicle ever, or it phantom broke every second, or the software screen just didn't work, but then the review was nuanced like you said. It sounded like a vehicle that needed some work, but I wouldn't put the seriousness of the problems he said any higher than the software/charging problems in a cybertruck, software problems in an ID4, etc. I think those cars are fine and would look out for those issues but the Fisker's issues didn't seem to rise to the level of unforgivable.
@@pan6593@pan6593 that's a good point; you do have to have eye-catching titles. I think most of the time, he is reviewing such large companies that he is usually punching up. He is so big that it just seems this is finally one company where he seemed to be punching down. He's that influential now. But I do get your point. It is how youtube works and isn't out of line with how people title things.
I agree, I clicked on the video thinking it was going to be hilariously bad and it turned out to just be really bad software that was most of the problems. I bet if Fisker wouldn't have tried to stop him from getting a review car he wouldn't have put that title and have a different tone with the flaws of the car. That seems a little petty but fair.
"The main reason I could see that Fisker started transitioning away from direct to consumer sales is that they couldn't find enough customers" - yes. But the Fiskerati blame Marques Brownlee. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance from these die-hard Fisker apologists, who completely ignore all the serious problems coming from inside the company and blame any issues that they are willing to admit, on hostile outside forces. And yes, that's exactly what the CEO does too in all his misleading rhetoric.
Coming on 2 years ago when we bought our Lucid Air it had exactly the same software issues that Fisker has now. I’m not worried about that though, that’s an easy fix. What’s more important is having enough capital to stay afloat. Either way I believe there are many waiting for it to go bankrupt so they can snag it on the cheap. The ocean is a great looking vehicle and the Pear/Alaska are very promising as well. Cheers!
yea and because some influential ass decided to virally bash them before they could fix anything, they're never going to have enough capital. Fisker definitely made bad decisions but the review and every news media, literally everyone one of them is referencing MKBHD, they're likely never going to have the time to fix their issues. He severely kicked them while they were already down.
THIS WHAT FISKER SAID TODAY “As a matter of company policy, Fisker does not comment on market rumors and speculation. However, Fisker often works with outside advisors to help manage its business and assist in developing and executing strategies. Fisker is focused on raising additional capital and engaging in a strategic partnership with a large automaker. The company is also continuing to pursue its shift to a Dealer Partnership model in both North America and Europe. The leadership team is laser-focused on these efforts.” Fisker Inc.
Got the Aptera mention in there, dude! IMO all that's really holding Aptera back is a large amount of capital to get the tooling machines for production. Wish I had 50 or 60 million laying around I could throw at them.
The Electric Viking commented today that he is not a good auto reviewer. He is correct. He is an amazing reviewer who has saved a lot of consumers alot of heartache.
# 13 USA EV sales in January Fisker Alive and striving... Demand is strong. customers still waiting for their Oceans and dealerships are waiting for more vehicles, Classic Fisker sold out during Electrified Tour event in March. Shipping capacity must be scheduled weeks ahead and Fisker could not schedule til dealership agreements completed. Thumbs Up video/ comment. Thanks.
Honestly, the MKBHD video was really fair and LARGELY POSITIVE on the Ocean. Any issues he had was with software but bad software didn't stop the Volkswagen ID line either, did it.
Thank you! If there wasn’t an issue with the software, it Marques’s review wouldn’t matter. You can tell that a lot of the people that got super defensive about Fisker had direct financial interest in the company. The key fob issues are unacceptable.
You would think since Fisker 1.0 software was going to be less than ideal, Fisher would have gotten the 2.0 software into the reviewed Fisher vehicle. Ultimately the problem lays squarely on Fisher.
Drew, I just put down a non-refundable deposit on a Used 2021 Model Y. I will complete the financing in a day or two. I did not see where to place a referral code. Please let me know if that's possible on a used Tesla and, if so, when it might come up. Thanks for all you do and for giving me confidence to be the first in our family/friend circle to go all EV!
@TailosiveEV I just clicked the referral code and it takes me to the new order page so I think it doesn't apply to used Teslas. Hopefully I didn't miss out 😢
You had to be a special breed to use a early EV. Compared to most of them Tesla was a godsend even with all the flaws. Fisker is simply too late in the game to be able to launch an incomplete product.
@@PatrickAdia Without the pathological liar and scam artist Henrik Fisker being involved with the company, who knows what might have happened? Most of those models were meant to be vaporware, there was never any actual idea to make them.
I was really excited for Fisker. Definitely looking like it may not make it to the end of the year but we’ll see. Very bittersweet as someone who got to work there for a little while.
Why are we hating on new EV companies like Tesla hasnt had multiple issues and growing pains. Fisker makes great designs and oh well it's had some issues with software for a while. It's mostly fixed now.
I think part of the problem is fiskers market is very over saturated and over priced. Most people who have an EV already bought one and 80% of Americans can’t even afford a new car let alone one from a new company. I like the ocean it looks cool it has stalks but who can even buy one? Let alone service them?
@@TailosiveEV who in their right mind would not be wary of someone that can potentially stain their image and easily influence a entire audience to their own opinion. Which is clearly what's happening. People are attesting the car is shit and I bet most of them have not even driven it but they taking this guys review as everyones experience. And you're clearly a bias Tesla fan boy with a logo that looks like if Tesla had a vagina.
@@BryanA3115 lol, you will be alright eventually. If you think MKBHD can tank Fisker I have beachfront properties where it's summer year round to sell to you, in the arctic 🙄😊
Personally I think demand should mainly dictate the value of a product (as long as there is t a monopoly). Tesla's FSD model should be priced at what people are willing to pay as long as theirs transparency as to what they are getting. I believe there is with FSD.
Drew you made some excellent points on this topic, it's unfortunate that this is happening to Fisker because i do like the design of the car and software can always be improved through OTA updates but they should have had the software ready to go before releasing the Ocean, this problem is on them. Fisker, Rivian, Lucid might all have the same fate in the end, high interest rates aren't helping them either and people seeing these companies having financial issues could make them stay away from them because they could go bankrupt. Wouldn't be surprised to see some major automakers swoop in and buy these companies if they run out of cash. Elon watching this mayhem waiting to strike? 😂
I think it's quite alarming that these car companies are trying to ship their unfinished cars like they're a gaming company, and only doing so because they can do updates later. It's easier for a game company to update a game after its unfinished launch, but with cars they need to stop attempting to cut corners like this. An unfinished product in the automotive industry can cause death, not just a drained wallet and a bruised ego for buying something that isn't fully developed. Fisker's reaction to negative reviews reeks of a company that won't last long, because they only care about profits and not the safety of their customers. And before someone says "duh they like money more than people because they're a corporation", you're right, but a successful corporation is one that can convince the masses that they have their best interests in mind when it comes to their investments, and Fisker failed to do that with this petty response.
Please find one car company that did not have issues with their models. We just over react for software issues. Come on guys tesla has recalled few million cars so far and we get crazy for software problems
Alot of people hate on start up companies with high interest rates its hard for ev companies to stay afloat. Look at tesla getting smacked & one of the biggest evs at that. Regardless fisker could use restructuring to held the bottom line. Regardless just the product its self is absolutely beautiful compared to alot of evs. Also the first fleet that went out to people the company made them aware of possible bugs until 2.0 version
As an owner and stock holder, i knew the risks. Fisker was clear about delivering the vehicle without its full suite of features and I accepted that. What i don't like about these reviews is these vehicles were delivered to customers with the understanding that they are not complete. We knew this. Why is it a shock? Its common practice the the first of anything will lend itself to improvements. Why is it never mentioned how Fisker rewarded its 5000 Ocean One owners with 1st set of tires free, extended 10 year free hotspot, free OTA updates, $1000 in Chargepoint credits, etc. And i know you'll say, "they will need to still be around to get it" but it doesn't take away that it's true. If they are going to review the car, do your due diligence. MKBHD mentioned no glove boxes. That statement is not true. Both the passenger and driver can store their gloves in the compartments under the seat. Also, who tries to forces the screen to rotate with there hands?! A quick search in the manual would have directed him to the button. The vehicle has issues but it is grossly misrepresented.
dude, stand up for the United States this car, Fisker if it partnerships with Nissan/Honda/goes after partnership with Apple come on Fisker will be a game changer
I’m all for MKBHD having his own opinions but It annoyed me that at the end of the video, he had the gall to say that he was rooting for Fisker. He knows how much influence he has and adding “I’m rooting for you” isn’t going to fix that infamous title. He could have said “this car needs A LOT work”, or “don’t buy this car YET” - which is something you say about something you want to improve.
He has influence only in your head. You talk as if he's the reason fisker closed shop the first time too. You probably think like a lot of the fisker people, blaming others instead of tackling your own failures. By this logic Matt from Carwow probably also is killing fisker
Fisker is done. It is a design company whose vehicles are made in a garbage factory. Current owners should unload their cars asap before they go no bid...just like their stock.
Meh, I'll stick with my smaller and cheaper Chevy Bolt and hope to see more efficient packages in the future from Aptera, Rivian, or whomever solves the efficiency equation in an affordable vehicle.
The video didnt help, but seriously, if you die because of 1 review, you are dead anyways. I am surprised Fisker imploded as the hardware was REALLY nice. Their designs were what a lot of people want, normal looking cars that were electric. I still hate the look of telsa and really liked the Fisker models. They needed money when EVERYONE started to hate EVs, even Tesla. When the teslas started to freeze in chicago and stack up at the chargers, that was the peak of EV hate. Fisker was at a point where they really needed results, and the entire industry slid. Now, ford doesnt even make more electric trucks, they have paused those because they no sell. EV is the way, we need a few more years of battery tech advances and charging infrastructure to make it viable for the masses. Right now, EV is viable for the home owner commute. Which is a large market. Its not the whole market. This was probably the first time we hit the limit on who wants to buy an EV. Early adopters got one already, we are in the next wave now. It sucks that Fisker blew up. I was really hoping they would make it so I could buy the Alaska. They ripped the Blazer also, for the same reasons, software.
Fisker should have ever been the CEO. He has built a great legend for himself as an automotive designer for over thirty years on iconic cars from BMWs to Italian supercars. His deficiency in running a pure car company as opposed to a design studio is showing now, not once but twice
Your obviously a tesla fanboy. Fisker has never said they don't want their cars reviewed. They just wanted him to review the car with the latest update. C'mon dude
@@TailosiveEV Wrong again. They offered him a different Ocean with the new 2.0 software already installed and he turned it down. He CHOSE to review the one with old software on purpose, even though he had access to a more updated one. And couldn't even wash the car. Obvious hit piece.
You nailed it early on. How many SUV:s do we need? Cool vehicle for sure, when they get software fixed maybe even a good one. But is that enough to blow 70 K on? Knowing that better than 50/50 they’ll go Tits Up and you’ve got an unsupported orphan on your hands…
The mistakes MKBHD made, was too claim that what he tested was what current owners and buyers get. However his version obviously wasn't even 1.11, probably more likely 1.08 which probably was what this particular car was delivered with 9 months ago. The used car dealer who lend him the car, hadn't done anything to get it updated. To update from 1.08 to 1.11 you'll need a visit from a Fisker technician, which they obviously hadn't done. He didn't even take the time to watch any videos of how to operate the Fisker. If he had, he would know how to rotate the screen, and he would know that the button he claimed was unmarked, is the HOME button, just like on a iPhone, it has two functions, main function is to go to the home screen, the other is to rotate the screen. The problem with today's RUclipsrs, is that they are click bait and viewer driven, but like you have no integrity, it's all about getting views, to get the money. A traditional magazine, or news station has a Editor, who is the adult in the room. Obviously MKBHD isn't mature enough to be his own editor, and to make sure that his content is in fact what he claim it to be. He seems to think, that just because he has lots of followers, he doesn't need to do his due diligence before posting a video. This was a dishonest "review" all the way through, nothing but old news. If he had done it 8 months ago, it would have been correct. But with the current software, and I'm talking 1.11 not even 2.0 yet, he is way behind. So either he is sloppy, and doesn't do his homework before his reviews, or he deliberately wanted to make a negative click bait review, to hurt a newly launched product for his own personal gain.
MKBHD's "review" was a obvious planned negative hit against Fisker. He either did it as click bait for himself, or maybe upon request from his bro Elon. In any case, yes it was dirty, and yes it did hurt Fiskers sales.
Your Tesla flag says everything I need to know... the Ocean is a fantastic vehicle and absolutely beautifully designed. With the 2.0 software now out, the software is dramatically improved... and that is right from owner's mouths. Don't act like Tesla didn't go through the same type of software updates and improvements. The Ocean deserves to be in the market and is superior to the Model Y in every way except software currently. I am keeping my shares, buying more, and keeping my Ocean reservation.
you seem to talk, but you don't really seem to understand what are you talking about. the reviewed car had stale software, not the current version. so how relevant is this for a new buyer??? the reviewd car was taken from a dealer that did trade-in (not a new car!), it's not an official fisker dealer. why the car was not up to date? it's probably fisker fault, but honestly the whole thing looks more like the dealer wanted some revenge because the flipping did not go that well for them (in the other video, he said he got actually 4 oceans, not just the reviewed one). so some due dilligence is highly appreciated if you want to look somehow professional or credible.
Shame on you they didnt say no to the review of the car in general they just asked if they could update the vehcile before presentation because everyone that has the vehcile will be recieveing the 2.0 version the version they knew would fix alot of the bugs.
@@xelaander8429 it's not just his video, its plus every new media outlet that's also out to bash something referencing his video. That's how much weight his words carry which he used recklessly or deliberately.
I had the same idea first, but he doesn‘t do it bad at all. Especially with his technical understanding and ability to transport background information it transfers easily to the EV realm. Wouldn’t necessarily be too interested in Marques reviewing the next Bugatti or any other idiot high horsepower gasoline car (sorry, loved them all, but combustion is just yesterday to me) - but EV ? Newest innovations flowing into spanking-new designs ? Sure.
Gee, it is almost as if everyone starts out with basic jobs and moves forward over time. The poor "burger flipper" likely made more money and provided more information to his audience before lunch today than you will make this year.
You don’t know much abojut a lot. It’s not ‘yet another’ crossover. You are clearly a Tesla and MK fanboy and he deliberately reviewed a vehicle with lapsed software (just as you persist in ranting on about pointlessly) with a sensationally negative title. His video is 50% positive after all, but you don’t seem to note that. You also don't understand the way media works despite hoping that your followers will listen to your every word. On the one hand you want people to be influenced by you (a RUclipsr) and yet you want people to believe Marques had no impact? Very naiive. He reviewed a borrowed car that had been sat on a car lot for 90 days with older software. Almost all issues were fixed in version 2.0 software. Fisker is different - more ecocentric than most - yet this is ignored wholesale by you and MK. Many early adopters were ready for a rougher ride and Fisker didn;t wnat this car re3viewed for good reason - because they had worked hard at updated software . As we all know the eco emphasis is unpopular among car enthusiasts. Your mocking tone kind of shows your hand too. If you did something informative like interviewing actual owners you might have something fresh to offer.
It was right there in the title, the worst he's aver driven, for a SOFTWARE issue no less, and him making a point of reviewing that version when a fix was already being developed. You're welcome to share your opinion, but please don't gaslight us all.
When you sell an EV software is critical - bad software can make it the worst car ever driven, like 80's Alfas - electrical issues made them unreliable and bad cars to own regardless of how fun they were to drive.
Dude, do your freakin research (none of you influencers do anything). When people bought the Ocean One, they were aware there would be bugs and in exhange, Fisker provided them with two years of free everything, including a set of new tires to replace the other ones. Did MKBHD state this? No, if he did, then he would have known he was reviewing a vehicle that owners willingly knew would be buggy. If an owner didn’t want to be a beta tester, then they didn’t purchase the Ocean.
Just because you get some “bonuses” doesn’t neglect from the fact that Fisker is selling to its consumers a subpar car compared to others that are actually selling in volume 🤦🏾♂️
And yet when i, a literal nobody, posted a slightly critical comment on one of your Aptera pump videos you took time to chew me out. You're a hypocrite.
I think he was sincere, but he did an incomplete review, didnt know the product, no research, and you could tell. It puts into question the rest of his reviews. IMO. Also, putting the title as click bate "the worst car ive ever reviewed", even if true, is slimey and bad form. That said, the software is definitely incomplete and needs work. For sure the car was released too soon, however the actual build of the car is stellar.
I would disagree. Over 4 million viewers on his video telling people not to buy this car is over 4 million less potential buyers. Fisker needs to get their shit together but this review didn't make things any easier.
That may be so but every car had some sort of issues on their first run. Even Tesla had these issues. His review contributed to the possibility that now none of the fisker ocean bugs will get fixed cause he bashed them before they could with his media influential ability. Not to mention the review was really meant to personally attack fisker than to provide a unbiased thorough review. To me he was salty about them not giving him the car. That's some entitlement issue. And they were right to not want him to review cause look at the damaged he created? Every bearish news media are referencing him. Can't tell me that didn't cause the negative sentiment and the stock to crash.
You're making him come off as someone trying to be a hero and fisker was evil but who gained anything from this? And that was the purpose, to get viral views. A celebrity's reputation is everything and all it takes is one very influential social media influencer to cause them to suicide, which happens very often in Korea with the scandals. The same goes for a business.
@@JJ-yy5ussorry mate, that‘s nonsense - if Fisker would have had a good car, they wouldn‘t have had to have a resentment to get it reviewed. Or in other words: They knew they had a shitty car and knew he might smash it because of it.
@@JJ-yy5ushe owns a Tesla, that doesn't make his opinion about other brands invalid. Go ahead, tell us what he said about Fisker that was false? We are happy to wait.
Only a handful of people had these problems with their car. Media is just misrepresenting it and making it sound like it's the entire fleet that has problems, including MKBHD who deliberately bought a used car with outdated software to review, which only gave the media more ammo. Most people calling it shit never even sat in the car and are talking out of their ass @@JorgTheElder
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MKBHD said ALOT of positive things especially in the first half of the video
He even said most of the problems are software based and maybe are fixed with the new software update
And if people watched the video they’d hear all that. If you’re worried about people just reading the title, the title doesn’t mention the brand
@@TailosiveEV The car he reviewed didn't even have the latest software that was available at the time. It was outdated because it was sitting on a used car lot.
It was for sale. That’s the point.
@@yeahman211 that's not true. He said in the video that most cars on the road. Only new cars ship with it. It hasn't been rolled out to the first customers yet
@@TailosiveEV That's ridiculous. If he were to go out and buy a Model 3 that hasn't been touched since 2020 and raised a bunch of issues with software, it's perfectly logical to critique that review on the basis of being out of date, and that's exactly what would happen on a mass scale. Of course there are plenty of issues with the car/company, but the review itself had practical methodological issues.
New drinking game: everyone takes a shot when Drew says “Aptera”
Brb gotta go to the hospital
Every video is secretly an Aptera video
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Don't watch videos back to back xD
I have tried the Fisker Ocean. Nice hardware. Looks great. Software was lacking. The car is simply not ready yet.
Preach. Fisker never actually had enough money to start production. Fisker signed a production contract with Magna and we can be sure part of that contract was minimum amounts Magna would be paid no matter how many cars Magna manufactured. This meant the clock was ticking starting November 2022 and if Fisker waited until they had good software in hand to start manufacturing in earnest and delivering cars, they would lack the money to buy the parts for the cars. As things were, Fisker only had enough capital to buy parts for about 10,000 cars, which is why a year ago when Henrik was “predicting” 42,000 cars for 2023 I was predicting 10,000…and I was right. But running a production line at 25% capacity with a contract manufacturer is always going to lose you money.
Worse still, Fisker was lying about having 65,000 reservations. IF there was actually unmet demand for the Ocean then there would be a chance of getting funding to ramp production to 42,000 and maybe Fisker doesn’t lose huge amounts of money at that number. But demand seems to have been about 6,000 and a lot of used Oceans being available already makes even that number possibly high.
It is not like Fisker was fighting off buyers before that review came out. Henrik Fisker is entirely to blame, he is a pathological liar scam artist and also very very bad at being the CEO of an automotive startup.
If MKBHD is guilty of anything it's just shining a light on how bad Fisker is.
I have been driving the FO for 6 months now and have driven about 9000 miles so far.
My driving experience with the FO has been very satisfactory. I am really surprised at the quality and equipment Fisker has delivered for this purchase price.
Anyone who has bought an FO in the early stages must also know that it is a startup. If you take this into account, you'll overlook the out-of-roundness that existed before OS 2.0. If you are not in a position to do this, then you should generally keep your hands off a startup. I myself drove a Tesla for 6 years. In the beginning, the software at Tesla was also very modest. It has developed very well over the last six years. But if you look at autonomous driving, which Tesla has also been announcing for many years, then it's better not to trust it, at least in Europe. The quality of Tesla's design, we currently have a brand new Model 3 in the company, is still a long way from the Fisker Ocean, but admittedly a big step compared to the first Model 3 we had in the company.
At least in this video it's clear what it's all about, you just have to pay attention to the background. Tesla was ahead of its time, and that's why many shortcomings were accepted in the beginning. Tesla has evolved, and the FO has more than made up for that. The basic equipment, which is already installed in high quality and equipment, will only give future software customization the right strength. I think with OS 3/4 at the latest, the FO will no longer have to hide from Tesla in this respect either. I don't even want to talk about the other EVs from German or Chinese manufacturers, where customers have to deal with the software and bugs much more.
I’m glad you enjoyed it! I just hope the company will exist to service any issues you may run into
$70k it better be
I think my (and some others) main complaint with his review was that the title didn't match the review. The review was nuanced, flattering at times, and overall showed an alright picture of the Ocean. The title on the other hand lacked all of those nuances and painted it as "the worst car [he's] ever reviewed".
Sure there could’ve been a more accurate title, but it’s not what the core issue with the company is. Fisker is tanking cause they’re going bankrupt, not cause of Marques
And it‘s still YT - titles funnel viewers into the clip, thats YT 101.
I agree; the title and starting tone sounded like this vehicle had the worst ride in a vehicle ever, or it phantom broke every second, or the software screen just didn't work, but then the review was nuanced like you said. It sounded like a vehicle that needed some work, but I wouldn't put the seriousness of the problems he said any higher than the software/charging problems in a cybertruck, software problems in an ID4, etc. I think those cars are fine and would look out for those issues but the Fisker's issues didn't seem to rise to the level of unforgivable.
@@pan6593@pan6593 that's a good point; you do have to have eye-catching titles. I think most of the time, he is reviewing such large companies that he is usually punching up. He is so big that it just seems this is finally one company where he seemed to be punching down. He's that influential now.
But I do get your point. It is how youtube works and isn't out of line with how people title things.
I agree, I clicked on the video thinking it was going to be hilariously bad and it turned out to just be really bad software that was most of the problems. I bet if Fisker wouldn't have tried to stop him from getting a review car he wouldn't have put that title and have a different tone with the flaws of the car. That seems a little petty but fair.
I drove the Fisker when I was considering working there. The demo car I drove was bricked. I got a job at Rivian.
Good call 🙌🏼
"The main reason I could see that Fisker started transitioning away from direct to consumer sales is that they couldn't find enough customers" - yes. But the Fiskerati blame Marques Brownlee. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance from these die-hard Fisker apologists, who completely ignore all the serious problems coming from inside the company and blame any issues that they are willing to admit, on hostile outside forces. And yes, that's exactly what the CEO does too in all his misleading rhetoric.
Coming on 2 years ago when we bought our Lucid Air it had exactly the same software issues that Fisker has now. I’m not worried about that though, that’s an easy fix. What’s more important is having enough capital to stay afloat. Either way I believe there are many waiting for it to go bankrupt so they can snag it on the cheap. The ocean is a great looking vehicle and the Pear/Alaska are very promising as well. Cheers!
yea and because some influential ass decided to virally bash them before they could fix anything, they're never going to have enough capital. Fisker definitely made bad decisions but the review and every news media, literally everyone one of them is referencing MKBHD, they're likely never going to have the time to fix their issues. He severely kicked them while they were already down.
THIS WHAT FISKER SAID TODAY “As a matter of company policy, Fisker does not comment on market rumors and speculation. However, Fisker often works with outside advisors to help manage its business and assist in developing and executing strategies. Fisker is focused on raising additional capital and engaging in a strategic partnership with a large automaker. The company is also continuing to pursue its shift to a Dealer Partnership model in both North America and Europe. The leadership team is laser-focused on these efforts.”
Fisker Inc.
Got the Aptera mention in there, dude! IMO all that's really holding Aptera back is a large amount of capital to get the tooling machines for production. Wish I had 50 or 60 million laying around I could throw at them.
That makes two of us!
They didn’t ship 5,000 vehicles. It wouldn’t have mattered. They ran out of money too close after production launch. Blame the CEO. Blame Hedrik.
I feel bad for people who paid full price. A 40% price cut is hard to swallow
The Electric Viking commented today that he is not a good auto reviewer. He is correct. He is an amazing reviewer who has saved a lot of consumers alot of heartache.
Idk I own 2 EVs and find electric Viking to be incredibly biased
It should have never been sold. They wanted to please investors but IMO I'd rather piss off investors than lose out on a good public image.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" - Siobhan Beeman
Same sentiment.
# 13 USA EV sales in January Fisker Alive and striving... Demand is strong. customers still waiting for their Oceans and dealerships are waiting for more vehicles, Classic Fisker sold out during Electrified Tour event in March. Shipping capacity must be scheduled weeks ahead and Fisker could not schedule til dealership agreements completed. Thumbs Up video/ comment. Thanks.
Honestly, the MKBHD video was really fair and LARGELY POSITIVE on the Ocean. Any issues he had was with software but bad software didn't stop the Volkswagen ID line either, did it.
Thank you! If there wasn’t an issue with the software, it Marques’s review wouldn’t matter.
You can tell that a lot of the people that got super defensive about Fisker had direct financial interest in the company. The key fob issues are unacceptable.
You would think since Fisker 1.0 software was going to be less than ideal, Fisher would have gotten the 2.0 software into the reviewed Fisher vehicle. Ultimately the problem lays squarely on Fisher.
Drew,
I just put down a non-refundable deposit on a Used 2021 Model Y. I will complete the financing in a day or two. I did not see where to place a referral code. Please let me know if that's possible on a used Tesla and, if so, when it might come up. Thanks for all you do and for giving me confidence to be the first in our family/friend circle to go all EV!
You have to click the referral code before placing the order. It can’t be applied after ordering. Thanks for trying though! Hope you enjoy it!
@TailosiveEV I just clicked the referral code and it takes me to the new order page so I think it doesn't apply to used Teslas. Hopefully I didn't miss out 😢
Fisker bears remind me of early Tesla bears. Shame
You had to be a special breed to use a early EV. Compared to most of them Tesla was a godsend even with all the flaws. Fisker is simply too late in the game to be able to launch an incomplete product.
I agree silent
Lol. Nothing like Tesla. Fisker are doomed.
The red flag #1 for me was when Fisker introduced not 1, not 2, not 3 but 4 EVs 🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂ . Focus & simplification is key.
Six,, but who is counting. E-Motion, Ocean, Pear, Ronin, Alaska, Orbit.
@@tribalypredisposed that's right... Yikes! That's one way to catch up to Tesla. Just make everything all at once 😅
That's unfortunate because with more focus, they could have done something special.
@@PatrickAdia Without the pathological liar and scam artist Henrik Fisker being involved with the company, who knows what might have happened? Most of those models were meant to be vaporware, there was never any actual idea to make them.
I was really excited for Fisker. Definitely looking like it may not make it to the end of the year but we’ll see. Very bittersweet as someone who got to work there for a little while.
It's like blaming the detective for sending the criminal to jail, not the criminal. Or blaming Snowden when the govt did what they did.
I just hope they manage to build the PEAR and make it a good car. Because that would be a win.
it is the husband and wife team there at Fisker
Alphabet should sell off Waymo and IMO give Aptera an offer for them. THAT is true “full self-driving” - anything else is years behind.
Why are we hating on new EV companies like Tesla hasnt had multiple issues and growing pains. Fisker makes great designs and oh well it's had some issues with software for a while. It's mostly fixed now.
Ehhh still a lot of damage done to tell reviewers not to review the car
I think part of the problem is fiskers market is very over saturated and over priced. Most people who have an EV already bought one and 80% of Americans can’t even afford a new car let alone one from a new company. I like the ocean it looks cool it has stalks but who can even buy one? Let alone service them?
@@TailosiveEVdamage by hypocrites like MKBHD...
@@TailosiveEV who in their right mind would not be wary of someone that can potentially stain their image and easily influence a entire audience to their own opinion. Which is clearly what's happening. People are attesting the car is shit and I bet most of them have not even driven it but they taking this guys review as everyones experience. And you're clearly a bias Tesla fan boy with a logo that looks like if Tesla had a vagina.
@@BryanA3115 lol, you will be alright eventually. If you think MKBHD can tank Fisker I have beachfront properties where it's summer year round to sell to you, in the arctic 🙄😊
@TailosiveEV please please please do a review of the Fisker Ocean and let us know your thoughts of its solar panels!!!
My Uncle got one the Ocean. He's gonna sell it because there is just too many small problems with it
That black tech dude’s review did some serious damage
Personally I think demand should mainly dictate the value of a product (as long as there is t a monopoly).
Tesla's FSD model should be priced at what people are willing to pay as long as theirs transparency as to what they are getting. I believe there is with FSD.
Drew you made some excellent points on this topic, it's unfortunate that this is happening to Fisker because i do like the design of the car and software can always be improved through OTA updates but they should have had the software ready to go before releasing the Ocean, this problem is on them. Fisker, Rivian, Lucid might all have the same fate in the end, high interest rates aren't helping them either and people seeing these companies having financial issues could make them stay away from them because they could go bankrupt. Wouldn't be surprised to see some major automakers swoop in and buy these companies if they run out of cash. Elon watching this mayhem waiting to strike? 😂
I think it's quite alarming that these car companies are trying to ship their unfinished cars like they're a gaming company, and only doing so because they can do updates later.
It's easier for a game company to update a game after its unfinished launch, but with cars they need to stop attempting to cut corners like this. An unfinished product in the automotive industry can cause death, not just a drained wallet and a bruised ego for buying something that isn't fully developed.
Fisker's reaction to negative reviews reeks of a company that won't last long, because they only care about profits and not the safety of their customers. And before someone says "duh they like money more than people because they're a corporation", you're right, but a successful corporation is one that can convince the masses that they have their best interests in mind when it comes to their investments, and Fisker failed to do that with this petty response.
Please find one car company that did not have issues with their models. We just over react for software issues. Come on guys tesla has recalled few million cars so far and we get crazy for software problems
Alot of people hate on start up companies with high interest rates its hard for ev companies to stay afloat. Look at tesla getting smacked & one of the biggest evs at that. Regardless fisker could use restructuring to held the bottom line. Regardless just the product its self is absolutely beautiful compared to alot of evs. Also the first fleet that went out to people the company made them aware of possible bugs until 2.0 version
As an owner and stock holder, i knew the risks. Fisker was clear about delivering the vehicle without its full suite of features and I accepted that. What i don't like about these reviews is these vehicles were delivered to customers with the understanding that they are not complete. We knew this. Why is it a shock? Its common practice the the first of anything will lend itself to improvements. Why is it never mentioned how Fisker rewarded its 5000 Ocean One owners with 1st set of tires free, extended 10 year free hotspot, free OTA updates, $1000 in Chargepoint credits, etc.
And i know you'll say, "they will need to still be around to get it" but it doesn't take away that it's true. If they are going to review the car, do your due diligence. MKBHD mentioned no glove boxes. That statement is not true. Both the passenger and driver can store their gloves in the compartments under the seat. Also, who tries to forces the screen to rotate with there hands?! A quick search in the manual would have directed him to the button. The vehicle has issues but it is grossly misrepresented.
Bottomline - It was a very good honest review - yes
Yeah a reason I went with a Tesla Model 3 was it’s and established company and product.
The Best Stock I ever reviewed. FSRN 0.059 #SQUEEZED #QUITTER
I like the design. Sad it’s not a good final product.
It is a fantastic product! Especially since the new 2.0 software update, so many owners are saying how happy they are with it.
Every single tesla sold so far has been recalled . this is a fact and everyone still buying them with the poor build.
dude, stand up for the United States this car, Fisker if it partnerships with Nissan/Honda/goes after partnership with Apple come on Fisker will be a game changer
didnt tesla fire an employee for documenting bad FSD performance?
I’m all for MKBHD having his own opinions but It annoyed me that at the end of the video, he had the gall to say that he was rooting for Fisker.
He knows how much influence he has and adding “I’m rooting for you” isn’t going to fix that infamous title.
He could have said “this car needs A LOT work”, or “don’t buy this car YET” - which is something you say about something you want to improve.
He has influence only in your head. You talk as if he's the reason fisker closed shop the first time too. You probably think like a lot of the fisker people, blaming others instead of tackling your own failures. By this logic Matt from Carwow probably also is killing fisker
i dont know why people still believed on the Fisker brand given their past record
Fisker is done. It is a design company whose vehicles are made in a garbage factory. Current owners should unload their cars asap before they go no bid...just like their stock.
Meh, I'll stick with my smaller and cheaper Chevy Bolt and hope to see more efficient packages in the future from Aptera, Rivian, or whomever solves the efficiency equation in an affordable vehicle.
This is a great car. the main contendor of Tesla ok? watch!
In New Jersey, it is illegal to record a phone call without the consent of all parties involved. I hope that Mitsubishi dealer has a good attorney!
The video didnt help, but seriously, if you die because of 1 review, you are dead anyways. I am surprised Fisker imploded as the hardware was REALLY nice. Their designs were what a lot of people want, normal looking cars that were electric. I still hate the look of telsa and really liked the Fisker models. They needed money when EVERYONE started to hate EVs, even Tesla. When the teslas started to freeze in chicago and stack up at the chargers, that was the peak of EV hate. Fisker was at a point where they really needed results, and the entire industry slid. Now, ford doesnt even make more electric trucks, they have paused those because they no sell. EV is the way, we need a few more years of battery tech advances and charging infrastructure to make it viable for the masses. Right now, EV is viable for the home owner commute. Which is a large market. Its not the whole market. This was probably the first time we hit the limit on who wants to buy an EV. Early adopters got one already, we are in the next wave now. It sucks that Fisker blew up. I was really hoping they would make it so I could buy the Alaska. They ripped the Blazer also, for the same reasons, software.
Didn't Chevy stop selling the Blazer until the issues were fixed?
Fisker should have ever been the CEO. He has built a great legend for himself as an automotive designer for over thirty years on iconic cars from BMWs to Italian supercars. His deficiency in running a pure car company as opposed to a design studio is showing now, not once but twice
Nothing new from Fisker and just like the first time they go bankrupt the second time
I see you have a model of the Tesla truck on your desk. So who's the fanboy?
Don't put out crappy products and you won't have to worry about getting bad reviews. your customers should not be your beta testers
Tesla 34 usd stock
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6:20 Truth! 💯
I guess reviewing reviews gives you more reviewing content. I am disappoint.
fisker just been a failure since the beginning. Even the Karma lol
Tesla fan boys are the new short sellers
Your obviously a tesla fanboy. Fisker has never said they don't want their cars reviewed. They just wanted him to review the car with the latest update. C'mon dude
Marques got a review car and they told him not to review it. With no guaranteed timeline on when the new software would be available
@@TailosiveEV Wrong again. They offered him a different Ocean with the new 2.0 software already installed and he turned it down. He CHOSE to review the one with old software on purpose, even though he had access to a more updated one. And couldn't even wash the car. Obvious hit piece.
You nailed it early on.
How many SUV:s do we need?
Cool vehicle for sure, when they get software fixed maybe even a good one.
But is that enough to blow 70 K on?
Knowing that better than 50/50 they’ll go Tits Up and you’ve got an unsupported orphan on your hands…
Bye bye fisker
Let Marcus deal with his video dude! Focus on your opinion
It's was uncompelling and dysfunctional and the company is no better and their leadship is at least as bad.
The fisker people are just like u biases..them towards fisker and you tesla...and no one was yelling at anyone .
I criticize tesla more than any other company on this channel
@TailosiveEV not that there product is crap u don't..also you talk about the car as you have driven it ...have you ?
The mistakes MKBHD made, was too claim that what he tested was what current owners and buyers get. However his version obviously wasn't even 1.11, probably more likely 1.08 which probably was what this particular car was delivered with 9 months ago. The used car dealer who lend him the car, hadn't done anything to get it updated. To update from 1.08 to 1.11 you'll need a visit from a Fisker technician, which they obviously hadn't done. He didn't even take the time to watch any videos of how to operate the Fisker. If he had, he would know how to rotate the screen, and he would know that the button he claimed was unmarked, is the HOME button, just like on a iPhone, it has two functions, main function is to go to the home screen, the other is to rotate the screen.
The problem with today's RUclipsrs, is that they are click bait and viewer driven, but like you have no integrity, it's all about getting views, to get the money. A traditional magazine, or news station has a Editor, who is the adult in the room.
Obviously MKBHD isn't mature enough to be his own editor, and to make sure that his content is in fact what he claim it to be. He seems to think, that just because he has lots of followers, he doesn't need to do his due diligence before posting a video.
This was a dishonest "review" all the way through, nothing but old news. If he had done it 8 months ago, it would have been correct. But with the current software, and I'm talking 1.11 not even 2.0 yet, he is way behind.
So either he is sloppy, and doesn't do his homework before his reviews, or he deliberately wanted to make a negative click bait review, to hurt a newly launched product for his own personal gain.
A car made in 2023 shouldn’t require a technician to update it. Dealers were selling them like that
@@TailosiveEV they're not doing OTA because it's currently killing the 12v battery. Tesla had the same exact problem.
MKBHD's "review" was a obvious planned negative hit against Fisker. He either did it as click bait for himself, or maybe upon request from his bro Elon.
In any case, yes it was dirty, and yes it did hurt Fiskers sales.
Your Tesla flag says everything I need to know... the Ocean is a fantastic vehicle and absolutely beautifully designed. With the 2.0 software now out, the software is dramatically improved... and that is right from owner's mouths. Don't act like Tesla didn't go through the same type of software updates and improvements. The Ocean deserves to be in the market and is superior to the Model Y in every way except software currently. I am keeping my shares, buying more, and keeping my Ocean reservation.
Relax. Fisker flags have been sold out for months
He even has a Tesla referral link in this video and a Tesla logo that looks like a vagina. Anyway, Just buy the oceans they have in stock.
He called out tesla at the 10 minute mark. You just didn’t bother to listen
Fisker fan boys? Who are they?
you seem to talk, but you don't really seem to understand what are you talking about. the reviewed car had stale software, not the current version. so how relevant is this for a new buyer???
the reviewd car was taken from a dealer that did trade-in (not a new car!), it's not an official fisker dealer. why the car was not up to date? it's probably fisker fault, but honestly the whole thing looks more like the dealer wanted some revenge because the flipping did not go that well for them (in the other video, he said he got actually 4 oceans, not just the reviewed one).
so some due dilligence is highly appreciated if you want to look somehow professional or credible.
They were selling cars with that version. Marques clarified a fix was coming but not ready on many oceans yet
Shame on you they didnt say no to the review of the car in general they just asked if they could update the vehcile before presentation because everyone that has the vehcile will be recieveing the 2.0 version the version they knew would fix alot of the bugs.
Long before Marques posted the review they told him not to check one out, despite selling them
He also kinda poo pood Aptera without knowing anything about the car... he should be careful with the weight his words carry.
Lol, because people buy cars after watching an MKBHD video, sureeeeeeeeee
He does know of Aptera-- he made an in person visit and drove the prototype
@@xelaander8429
@@harriettanthony7352 i didnt say he wasnt aware of the car
@@xelaander8429 it's not just his video, its plus every new media outlet that's also out to bash something referencing his video. That's how much weight his words carry which he used recklessly or deliberately.
MKHD should stick to tech reviews, not car reviews.
I had the same idea first, but he doesn‘t do it bad at all. Especially with his technical understanding and ability to transport background information it transfers easily to the EV realm. Wouldn’t necessarily be too interested in Marques reviewing the next Bugatti or any other idiot high horsepower gasoline car (sorry, loved them all, but combustion is just yesterday to me) - but EV ? Newest innovations flowing into spanking-new designs ? Sure.
Yeah we need a REAL car reviewer to tell us if the key fob works 😂
MKHD should review whatever he wants. We don’t have to agree with his opinions or watch his content.
The Fisker Ocean is just one big gimmick on wheels
The same was said about the Tesla Roadster
Burger flipper turned phone reviewer turned car reviewer 😂😂🤡🤡
Gee, it is almost as if everyone starts out with basic jobs and moves forward over time. The poor "burger flipper" likely made more money and provided more information to his audience before lunch today than you will make this year.
@@JorgTheElder oh yeah saw his Rivian review very informative and unbiased ..he should have stuck with his phone reviews
You don’t know much abojut a lot. It’s not ‘yet another’ crossover. You are clearly a Tesla and MK fanboy and he deliberately reviewed a vehicle with lapsed software (just as you persist in ranting on about pointlessly) with a sensationally negative title. His video is 50% positive after all, but you don’t seem to note that. You also don't understand the way media works despite hoping that your followers will listen to your every word. On the one hand you want people to be influenced by you (a RUclipsr) and yet you want people to believe Marques had no impact? Very naiive.
He reviewed a borrowed car that had been sat on a car lot for 90 days with older software. Almost all issues were fixed in version 2.0 software. Fisker is different - more ecocentric than most - yet this is ignored wholesale by you and MK. Many early adopters were ready for a rougher ride and Fisker didn;t wnat this car re3viewed for good reason - because they had worked hard at updated software . As we all know the eco emphasis is unpopular among car enthusiasts. Your mocking tone kind of shows your hand too. If you did something informative like interviewing actual owners you might have something fresh to offer.
It was right there in the title, the worst he's aver driven, for a SOFTWARE issue no less, and him making a point of reviewing that version when a fix was already being developed.
You're welcome to share your opinion, but please don't gaslight us all.
When you sell an EV software is critical - bad software can make it the worst car ever driven, like 80's Alfas - electrical issues made them unreliable and bad cars to own regardless of how fun they were to drive.
Dude, do your freakin research (none of you influencers do anything). When people bought the Ocean One, they were aware there would be bugs and in exhange, Fisker provided them with two years of free everything, including a set of new tires to replace the other ones. Did MKBHD state this? No, if he did, then he would have known he was reviewing a vehicle that owners willingly knew would be buggy. If an owner didn’t want to be a beta tester, then they didn’t purchase the Ocean.
Maybe all the free handouts is why Fisker is going bankrupt? Cause it’s not from 1 bad review video
Just because you get some “bonuses” doesn’t neglect from the fact that Fisker is selling to its consumers a subpar car compared to others that are actually selling in volume 🤦🏾♂️
And yet when i, a literal nobody, posted a slightly critical comment on one of your Aptera pump videos you took time to chew me out.
You're a hypocrite.
I think he was sincere, but he did an incomplete review, didnt know the product, no research, and you could tell. It puts into question the rest of his reviews. IMO. Also, putting the title as click bate "the worst car ive ever reviewed", even if true, is slimey and bad form. That said, the software is definitely incomplete and needs work. For sure the car was released too soon, however the actual build of the car is stellar.
So what's your critique for Matt Watson of Carwow. He also didn't know the product? Mind you his review was with the 2.0 software version btw
@@xelaander8429 2.0 wasn't even out yet when he did the review. The car wasn't even updated to the latest software at the time even.
I would disagree. Over 4 million viewers on his video telling people not to buy this car is over 4 million less potential buyers. Fisker needs to get their shit together but this review didn't make things any easier.
Bad reviews come from bad products, not from bad reviewers
That may be so but every car had some sort of issues on their first run. Even Tesla had these issues. His review contributed to the possibility that now none of the fisker ocean bugs will get fixed cause he bashed them before they could with his media influential ability. Not to mention the review was really meant to personally attack fisker than to provide a unbiased thorough review. To me he was salty about them not giving him the car. That's some entitlement issue. And they were right to not want him to review cause look at the damaged he created? Every bearish news media are referencing him. Can't tell me that didn't cause the negative sentiment and the stock to crash.
He didn’t damage anything. He explained what was wrong with the product. Fisker tried to silence him to sell more cars
You're making him come off as someone trying to be a hero and fisker was evil but who gained anything from this? And that was the purpose, to get viral views. A celebrity's reputation is everything and all it takes is one very influential social media influencer to cause them to suicide, which happens very often in Korea with the scandals. The same goes for a business.
@@JJ-yy5ussorry mate, that‘s nonsense - if Fisker would have had a good car, they wouldn‘t have had to have a resentment to get it reviewed. Or in other words: They knew they had a shitty car and knew he might smash it because of it.
he is nobody! Who cares about his reviews!
Shoulda bought a rivian or tesla losers 😚
I hate Teslam.
So, I pushed dislike. :)
Are you even paid for Elon or you work for free?
I have suggested Elon should leave Tesla many times, and criticized Tesla more than any other brand on this channel
meanwhile having a referral link to Tesla and a huge Tesla flag behind him@@TailosiveEV
@@JJ-yy5ushe owns a Tesla, that doesn't make his opinion about other brands invalid. Go ahead, tell us what he said about Fisker that was false? We are happy to wait.
Only a handful of people had these problems with their car. Media is just misrepresenting it and making it sound like it's the entire fleet that has problems, including MKBHD who deliberately bought a used car with outdated software to review, which only gave the media more ammo. Most people calling it shit never even sat in the car and are talking out of their ass @@JorgTheElder
Another basher you are
LOL.. taling about well known issues is not bashing. Jebus, get a clue.