Justinitiative you have to factor the amount of technology in these vehicles nowadays, although they are slightly higher the ratio of technology in them versus what was offered in the comparable from the past is now far advance and there’s only a slight increase in price , for example the 2018 Honda Accord comes standard with a suite of safety features standard led headlights and array of other features for only a couple of bucks( in reference to the thousands of dollars a couple hundred means little) more then its previous model.
Not necessarily true in the automotive parts industry, by your logic turbo kits would be dirt cheap by now, nope they are still hella expensive to purchase and to install is a grip as well.
I've never seen such a clever way to retrofit any vehicle into an EV. 40 miles of range or just pure performance. This is a hell of an invention. Amazing!
Except they didn't invent anything. What they did was take a patent filed by Ahmed Y. A. Mothafar for hubless wheel system for motor vehicles. change the title and make some minor changes and obtained a patent. Then as a way to gain investors they did two test use cases one of which the HMMWV was an utter failure.
This deserves way more hype than it has, truly impressive engineering. Can't wait to see how it handles heat and endurance during serious driving. Will be watching.
There actually have been much older models that have "successfully" done this but its like the 1800's porsche electric car. Forgotten and overshadowed by the model A and other big company improvements. This is certainly a rather well advertised system so we can expect to see much refinement of this design. Just glad someone acted on a good idea many people (including myself) have probably already had.
invention? tell that to doctor Porsche he would disagree. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche engineered a radical electrically-powered hybrid car for Joseph Lohner and Company, based in Vienna. This was in 1900!
I do understand your fascination because you never heard of anything similar but... It's OLD news, and very poor execution at best... the open gearing is absolutely unacceptable, even childish. Look up Elaphe, now that's a real hub motor system, waaay better than this in every way.
out of interest Jason, was your car functional with the electrics or just for demo? No offence intended. The concept is incredible, but it seemed that yours was maybe chosen cos of the e-fame and the brighter colour, but not quite finished or ready to run. It's obvious the concept works, but has yours been utilised as per displayed?
Open dry metal gears, car supported open hard plastic rollers... I'm sure it works ok in a carpeted show hall or for a race track demo but after a week on a dirty wet road full of stone chip and sandy grinding paste?
@@polarblue7468 Yes, but not enough time for a future, 2020 electric cars will be selling, unless this small compaby got a big financiers, to final production and target for large volume... ICE engine cars will be dwindling in numbers slowly from then on... In 1 or 2 decades 95% will be history Unfortunately good ideas but aren't going to take off
yes, open gear design inferior...cover for the outside will not protect from the inside of the hub....sand, salt from roads will destroy this setup quickly, let alone a piece of gravel getting into the gears...would rather go with an electric motor coupled to a rear differential, and modify to fit under the rear of the car. Better add on for a front wheel drive...or sealed rear hub motors.
Famus 801 they would sell like hotcakes if they were affordable. To bolt $10,000 worth of electric motors on to a $2500 car you're still gonna have a $2500 car.
Bigtonkakid, very true. Though it would double the hp of an older honda. They could also be removed and re-sold. I'd give it some thought, personally...........if I could afford them. Lol
Guys have been having success with the old awd wagon and some awd crv set ups for awd civics. It's a beautiful world we live in! Hell. I remember when h2b trannys were a thing if innovation! I'm a Subaru guy now ( insert ringland joke) but always loved my Hondas . (Puts flame suit on) honestly, I respect anything that is quick and people who work hard on their builds
Constant mesh dry steel gears? I wonder how that would fair with longevity in the open elements. Imagine hearing that constant whiny drone at highway speed for hours. There should be a way to disengage it.
I've been wanting to make my car AWD, and I thought electric motors in the front wheels is the way to go. I'm so glad I found this video. It's defeintly on my build list...
In India there is Maruti Suzuki Alto, which is a petrol car, and it was modified with rear wheels with electric motors using differentials. So petrol+electric hybrid.
Spedracer55 “maintenance” in terms of exposure to elements and likelihood of corrosion and excess wear from being the wheel. This exposed gears + small rocks = a bad time. I wasn’t talking about schedule maintenance that ICEs have.
I was thinking the same thing. Up here in the salt belt would put that completely impervious to dirt gears to the test. But I always like seeing these new ideas.
This is amazing for those looking to hot rod without sacrificing anything really. My brain scrambled at the potential right away. Okay so bye bye whipple and boost for the daily. Forgo the reliability and daily driving issues, get better fuel economy and convert to AWD all in one package... WHAT! This is absolutely brilliant and I hope it takes off! I want to slap two on my single cab f150 right now.
Also, I think it is priced pretty competitively. Even though it's 10k wo battery and up to 13k with a battery, a stage 3 kit (plug n play turbo kit) usually runs 5k. However, stage 3 kits for fwd cars usually come with its fair share of problems (traction, torque steer, and extreamly narrow powerband). With this kit, us hot hatch owners can effectively get 400+ hp AWD machine under 50k, and all that power will be accessable instantaniously. Imagine a gti or civic that smokes Shelby mustang and even corvette (if they manage to shrink then size of the motor) which costs well above 60k. That's crazy
Big disadvantage, without lubricating power, gear will be damaged because of dirt and fragments! Rollers has small bearings inside with small side load, also, when wheel become rough due to fragments of dirt and asphalt, roller will be shaking and noisy! This is inovative but not practical!
dude this thing needs to be time ands trial tested. but its a awesome start! now lets wait for people to improve it and shit ... this is crazy you can make any car fast as fuck..... omg
I was thinking the same way. That turbine sound is actually the sound of friction, like reverse gear. And system is uncovered from environment. Dust might kill it in a month.
I wonder if they put a plexiglass frame over it might help keeping foreign materials out. Because the rims look dope as fuck but the gears being exposed like that is a bad idea.
@@chrishenniker5944 yeah I get it. You hate EV's. Got news for you: I don't give a shit. Also more news: an electric car today is totally different from one made in the 1800's. Most people can figure that out but obviously not you. If you don't like EV's then just don't buy one. No-one cares.
Incredible invention! Perhaps we all should pull out the engine, put the kit on all four wheels, put in one or two batteries, then presto magic, we can have a pure EV. Possible?
What they should make is a semi-universal kit for FWD cars that replaces just one rear hub with an electric motor and a battery that has about 20 miles range. Make it as cheap as possible and adaptable to as many FWD cars as possible (leaving the original FWD drivetrain intact). Many people just drive a few miles to work and back every weekday. They could use just the motor, if they're on a side street route, or let the clutch out in 5th gear, to cruise on gas, after using the motor to accelerate from 0. This would increase MPG to about 50, on any old FWD car. It's all the stop and go acceleration that lowers gasoline MPG in city driving.
This is the future of vehicles, electric drive motors in the wheel hub. It makes vehicles much simpler, and more reliable. The electric motor can even do most of the braking too. Someone just needs to build a small safe reactor with a capacitor to smooth out the power use.
I agree. They did many things right that we console and bucket seats observers could never do. They got a patent proving that. Very good start to a real world concept rather than waiting for the big boys to introduce ""advanced" tech they have probably been sitting on since the beginning of the steering wheel.
This concept is so incredible! In some countries, people convert their cars to CNG or LP Gas, as those are cheaper to buy there. That saves a lot of money on gas; yet the conversion damages the engine. If this in-wheel motor concept comes into mainstream, I assume people will be interested to convert their car to electric/PHEV within few years. With some good battery pack, you wont even need the old engine and transmissions anymore. Pretty neat! This might be a great way to give old cars a new life!
I absolutely love this. It'd be a welcome addition to my Mazdaspeed 3. Pure electric drive would be great for the city or early morning starts because my car is loud 😁
Roxas Parks greedy Americans sell licensing agreements..then the engineering gets copied slightly different making another kind of the same thing legally
I would love to see the look on tyre fitter's face when you ask him to balance the wheels for you ;-) how is he even going to attach them to the wheel balancer?
@Noise Control. You obviously have no idea about drive trains and wear. Two gears that mesh together must be clean and lubricated. The tolerances required are tight and even a small stone could destroy that system in fractions of a second. Lubrication is required to reduce wear... However lubrication is sticky and can trap unwanted dirt. Dirt in lubrication then will start to act as a grinding paste slowly grinding the contact surfaces down. Once the mating faces are worn, back lash then occurs and then torque transfer would rapidly tear this system apart! Yes the wheels are rotating however this does not magically stop dirt ingression on to the drive teeth.
@@valpanig please explain how you can put those in a rotating seal.... The brake pad and disc is right next to the outer gear. Any lube on those gears will attract dirt, then lube + dirt = grinding paste and will make short work of those gears
It’s definitely a mod made for tuners as there will probably be much upkeep with those gears. The inventor said you can swap out the gears for different gear ratios and loos like its just a few bolts and a few minutes to get this done. So even if you had to do this once every few month (depending on your driving) and the gears sets were economical, then it would be nothing for a tuner to deal with. I’m curious about the noise factor in the cabin. Hopefully only under hard acceleration would it be loud.
imagine if we could slap on hub motors on any old car... older civics, older S10 or other small pickups...any older small vehicle that is desirable where a 100-150hp would work perfect.
9:45 CAN Bus : For those who wonder, is a standardized control network that connects all the electronic components in a single 'loop' and from this 'loop' , you can read and write information to be shared between the components, like throttle position, engine temperature, etc etc. It is universal between car brands ... mostly
The regen is actually brake caliper limited, because of the way the brake control works on a retrofit the calipers need to engage in braking, unlike a PHEV or EV that can do one pedal driving in electric mode and have the calipers completely disengaged even in moderate braking.
Unfortunately, the majority of braking is done by the front wheels so this is why the regen is so low. Find a way to regen off the front wheels as well and then you could get way higher figures.
@@superchickenlips1 Thanks for the salt education. Doesnt stop this from rusting and corroding, maybe design a all weather unit and not just for use in a sunshine state? Its about being a realist, 9k for something that will be rusted and useless in 2 years... is that a good invention?
@@isoconfused8744 You missed the overall point because you're consumed with corrosion. It's the implications of this technology and it's implementation. Go back and listen again. No driveshafts. No differential. No lots of things that you would normally find in a normal 4WD rear end. Its lighter. It gets better fuel consumption and therefore CO2 emissions are down. Try and see past the end of your own nose and you might catch a glimpse of something that can be used in many many applications and is groundbreaking technology and engineering. So yes, it is a good invention, and when it's 100% element proof, you can stop worrying about the corrosion. Until then, just think; this bolt on kit could be put on any car or pick up. Think about a pick up that gets you 50mpg round town.
@@superchickenlips1 one point is that without a locking Differential the Power from one Side is unavailable If the ground Need the Traktion on one side
For that price you would be able to go buy a proper Range extended Electric with likely way more range. Would love to hear that tiny motor screaming down the highway. Going to sound like a higher pitched Ju 87.
1) Wheel will come off on road (see how easy to loose the three nuts), 2) open gear won't last long, sand will grind everything off 3) the three plastic rollers to support the vehicle (actually two) will come apart in no time 4) car can only go straight line (don't see any structure to transfer later force)
About $10,000 for +50hp per wheel... i just did a cam and tune in my LS and gained about the same... for less than a thousand. Perfect example of over-engineering. I will agree that this is amazing what they have created and extremely ingenious but just not worth it... just my opinion.
Not just the hp. Launch alone would make this worth it. Even if it didn't help much after that. And with improvement could help the launch a lot more with better gearing as stated.
@@XtremeGTI Look at it ffs. Exposed gears in mesh....just add dust, sand, road grime and water. It cannot be 100%enclosed as the brake rotor's housed in the same assembly and needs airflow to dissipate heat. Like I say, no application in practical real world terms.
@@camfam52002 I'm an engineer, and a car enthusiast. I understand the concern, I immediately thought the same, but they speak of a cover in lexan or solid material with a seal - 07:25. So I'm assuming they try to protect it as best they can, unless I'm not understanding their conversation.
@@XtremeGTI I'm seeing metal gears to metal gears with no lubrication it'll eat itself apart with no cover or with a cover. Either way this will only last so many miles before you're replacing gear sets
I've personally been thinking about swapping a leaf subframe in the rear of a car. Like an old prelude or something. Then using a 2nd throttle really close to the gas throttle, but not too close to where I can't avoid it if I want. 2nd Gen Leafs are ~160kw. So if I go 320v, at 160kw, I'll need ~500amps(?). LFPs would be great for this. Use some LFP's for high charge and discharge rating (though lower capacity). Some crazy BMS setup. Maybe 4kw/h? That's all Porsche and Infiniti's hybrids have. Yeah they can only drive like a mile on pure electric, but with regen I can use it as a power boost and fuel economy (depending on how I drive it). And regen can help with braking a LOT! I'm surprised more people haven't gone this route. It's safe power once you have it set up. Increases gas mileage when you're not going crazy. Edit: 160kw is just a bit over 200hp for those wanting the numbers converted. Way more power 0-60mph than 60+ though.
Since it's electric talk about torque gain I'm curious about that! add 100hp and awd in a small and light sleeper would be awesome like an old crx! Now imagine I take an NA Miata, cuz miata is always the answer right? Fully guted, make it basically a bear shell! Put the 100hp per wheel engine on all 4 corners, and that is my question; is there a way to use that on a front wheel, like bolt it on the front axles? That certainly means change the brake system like the rears! So a 400hp, awd, 50% weight distribution, maybe sub 2100 lb but I don't know the weight trade loosing all the engine and transmission for batteries for four 100hp engine! Maybe it would be the ultimate autocross experience! or not cause I don't know if it would work like my childish brain imagined it Aha :D
Anyone imagine how those wheel rotor combo performs on loose gravel or so? Exposed gears literally no lubrication, because they are exposed difficult to maintain, will need cleaning, supporting rollers on that triangle hub rolling on internal surface of rim, that will need to be clean too. Anyone Imagine if any small rock will catch there carbon wheel will be ruined instantly That cover is total joke, no waterproofing.. Over engineered unreliable solution. They are need reduce any mechanical detail and minimize failure. With all respect all that thing look like open Swiss clock on beach sand!
Very cool tech guys. I will be watching as this matures, I am already daydreaming of fitting this on my 2016 Ford Focus ST and imagining the ways it could make rush hour traffic less painful in a manual transmission.
Excellent engineering and very happy as a human that this design has been realised for retro fitting . All makes sense! The only thing that need major attention is find a simple and cheap way to lessen the high motor rpm noise . Possible with out of phase high frequency noise cancellation technology . I hope within the next 5 years I can make my campervan 4wd with this tech !😊
Upgrade the alternator and the engine will charge them as you go. An extra 100lbs worth of battery and wiring is less weight than all of the diffs and driveshafts of an actual AWD version.
Jalen Davis a generator big enough to put out the energy needed to produce 100hp would starve the engine of way more than 100hp through efficiency loss. Regenerative breaking is about all you can use to maintain charge. You could trickle charge the batteries but again it would rob peak HP from the car which in the end is just as bad as adding more battery weight. Plus, adding more batteries needs to be done throughout the car to avoid changing the weight distribution too much. It’s just not a good solution but it’s a unique one and for that I gotta give it a thumbs up but they won’t sell many of these lots when they cost as much as a Chevy Volt once you buy everything. Just my opinion though, just graduate of how unique it is it might go gangbusters for people that care more about look and unique over actual performance.
So much hate for honda no one ever wants to give a new developed invention a chance but I believe this will make the future of cars better. To those who are hating you can't say this wonderful invention is bad or it's not worth it because you never even tried it or seen it in the worst possible conditions maybe if you just give them a chance and try it for your self then you'll me change your mind. Love that awesome turbine noise!
I do understand your fascination because you never heard of anything similar but... It's OLD news, and very poor execution at best... the open gearing is absolutely unacceptable, even childish. Look up Elaphe, now that's a real hub motor system, waaay better than this in every way.
I think it's obvious this is not new, but I think it's a great way to do it. Simple, light, easy to access for a consumer. What the other have been missing is a consumer market. They are all about OEM which makes it slow and difficult to get your car setup. If you are going to be negative at least have a point - are you an engineer who has researched or seen data on the testing of these? Didn't think so.
Yes I'm an engineer and I know a thing or two, about hub motors also. But you really don't need to be a genius to see, just how inefficient, fragile and unreliable this system is in it's very basics. Event Without logic, doesn't your gut-feeling convey to you just how unrealistic this system is? C'mon now...
@@b-manz you are correct. Real benefits of this technology are great when you take into account energy consumption and friction data. Car and airplane manufacturers are interested in this tech based on braking performance, static friction and moment of inertia derived benefits. It is about patent acquisition around this technology.
@@davidmiletic6647 you do know few things... but you don't know main things about this. You are comparing it to hub motor systems which are total opposite from this based on moment of inertia. Do some research before you start bashing something based on your primitive biases. You are an incremental engineer... used to make small steps... blind for vision...
I came up with a similar idea 10-15 years ago (electric hub motors to drive the front wheels to improve on Australian front engine rear drive vehicles at the time) to improve efficiency, help get our tyre pounding turbo 6s and V8s off the line, and provide a much more positive feel around bends courtesy of electronic torque vectoring. You all have no idea how much it pleases me to see someone else has had the same idea and actually got it running and out the door 👍 The next step I'm guessing is to add electrical assistance to mechanical drive wheels, to add more power, relieve any flat spots of the internal combustion engine, and reduce driveline stress, as that was my idea to push the tech further had I been able to build it
Dope but they are asking $750,000 for a one year exploratory license shit is crazy you have to pay that much to use their tech for a year while they get info from it GTFOH
Worst design. If the rim bents a bit the whole system wobble out that too in thousand pieces. Very inefficient rolling thus high rolling resistance. imagine getting sand into those gears... good luck.
That's what I was thinking! I was going to ask what if you hit a serious bump and bend the rim? Glad I'm not the only one that's asking questions. Ppl get so horny for ideas that need way more work - that being said, every popular product has a concept stage. Can't wait for this to be redesigned and perfected!
Only missing part is charging integration with the IC engine and charging ports. This will act as a boost only when batteries are charged through regen braking.
A 50" flatscreen was $2,800 in 2008, now in 2018 are $500 all day.
Relax people, this is just the beginning.
Blakelikesfood this is by far the best comment I’ve seen in a while ! The truth.
Justinitiative you have to factor the amount of technology in these vehicles nowadays, although they are slightly higher the ratio of technology in them versus what was offered in the comparable from the past is now far advance and there’s only a slight increase in price , for example the 2018 Honda Accord comes standard with a suite of safety features standard led headlights and array of other features for only a couple of bucks( in reference to the thousands of dollars a couple hundred means little) more then its previous model.
@@TheFrenchmanCooks my dad bought a brand new car for $15,000. A Honda Fit.
@@TheFrenchmanCooks You can thank the government for that. Nearly half the cost of a car is government safety and emissions.
Not necessarily true in the automotive parts industry, by your logic turbo kits would be dirt cheap by now, nope they are still hella expensive to purchase and to install is a grip as well.
I've never seen such a clever way to retrofit any vehicle into an EV. 40 miles of range or just pure performance. This is a hell of an invention. Amazing!
Now that's an Invention. Well done ORBIS. Bravo..
Search Michelin active wheel on RUclips. Michelin made this in 2010. They literally ripped the design even the motor mounting position.
i want one
They make them period. You can just buy the kit and put it on any car you want. It's not exclusive to this type R.
what is that all about? i cant understand ...
Except they didn't invent anything. What they did was take a patent filed by Ahmed Y. A. Mothafar for hubless wheel system for motor vehicles. change the title and make some minor changes and obtained a patent. Then as a way to gain investors they did two test use cases one of which the HMMWV was an utter failure.
This is the most amazing piece of automotive technology I've seen in years.
This deserves way more hype than it has, truly impressive engineering.
Can't wait to see how it handles heat and endurance during serious driving.
Will be watching.
This may be the best automotive invention in the last 10 years.
There actually have been much older models that have "successfully" done this but its like the 1800's porsche electric car. Forgotten and overshadowed by the model A and other big company improvements. This is certainly a rather well advertised system so we can expect to see much refinement of this design. Just glad someone acted on a good idea many people (including myself) have probably already had.
Last 50 years honestly lol
invention? tell that to doctor Porsche he would disagree. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche engineered a radical electrically-powered hybrid car for Joseph Lohner and Company, based in Vienna. This was in 1900!
Hubmotors are not an innovation.
Actually Tesla would be or Blockchain. Your choice.
now THAT is ingenuity , SO COOL
I do understand your fascination because you never heard of anything similar but... It's OLD news, and very poor execution at best... the open gearing is absolutely unacceptable, even childish. Look up Elaphe, now that's a real hub motor system, waaay better than this in every way.
@@davidmiletic6647 stfu
@@tortellinitentacles69years99 cry me a river.
@@davidmiletic6647 it's just that you sounded pretty salty. You know what makes it feel better
@@tortellinitentacles69years99 It's about logic sweety, not feelings.
Great video. Thanks for coming by to check out my Type R at SEMA. Sorry I missed you.
out of interest Jason, was your car functional with the electrics or just for demo? No offence intended. The concept is incredible, but it seemed that yours was maybe chosen cos of the e-fame and the brighter colour, but not quite finished or ready to run.
It's obvious the concept works, but has yours been utilised as per displayed?
RIP
HondaPro Jason ur car isn’t truely awd. So please don’t say you have an awd fk8 type r
Saw the yellow insta tly thought it was yours .... cool car
How it drive?
Open dry metal gears, car supported open hard plastic rollers... I'm sure it works ok in a carpeted show hall or for a race track demo but after a week on a dirty wet road full of stone chip and sandy grinding paste?
@@polarblue7468 Yes, but not enough time for a future, 2020 electric cars will be selling, unless this small compaby got a big financiers, to final production and target for large volume...
ICE engine cars will be dwindling in numbers slowly from then on... In 1 or 2 decades 95% will be history
Unfortunately good ideas but aren't going to take off
@@polarblue7468 It seems incomplete and I imagine a sealed system would be the way to go.. but hey guess we gotta wait for the engineers.
@@polarblue7468 only sad part that you have to hunt for used battery pack from prius
If you really pay attention the guy said it was a sealed hub... the rim has a clear cover or a black cover for the non show model
yes, open gear design inferior...cover for the outside will not protect from the inside of the hub....sand, salt from roads will destroy this setup quickly, let alone a piece of gravel getting into the gears...would rather go with an electric motor coupled to a rear differential, and modify to fit under the rear of the car. Better add on for a front wheel drive...or sealed rear hub motors.
A durable, environmentally protected version of this could be the easiest way out there to upgrade an existing car to hybrid.
If they made these for older civics they would sell like hot cakes
Famus 801 they would sell like hotcakes if they were affordable. To bolt $10,000 worth of electric motors on to a $2500 car you're still gonna have a $2500 car.
Bigtonkakid, very true. Though it would double the hp of an older honda. They could also be removed and re-sold. I'd give it some thought, personally...........if I could afford them. Lol
Guys have been having success with the old awd wagon and some awd crv set ups for awd civics. It's a beautiful world we live in! Hell. I remember when h2b trannys were a thing if innovation! I'm a Subaru guy now ( insert ringland joke) but always loved my Hondas . (Puts flame suit on) honestly, I respect anything that is quick and people who work hard on their builds
Itll be also too "hot cake common". Everyone would just have it.
@@bigtonkakid They're putting 10k+ worth of mods into 500.00 civics alraeady
Constant mesh dry steel gears? I wonder how that would fair with longevity in the open elements. Imagine hearing that constant whiny drone at highway speed for hours. There should be a way to disengage it.
I was thinking same
thats a point
Todd Simone the torque from the electric motors could be the reason why the gears are cut in that method
Imagine a small rock hopping in
All it takes is one grain of sand to F a gear up.
This is gonna be one of the most popular bolt ones ever.
I've been wanting to make my car AWD, and I thought electric motors in the front wheels is the way to go. I'm so glad I found this video. It's defeintly on my build list...
In India there is Maruti Suzuki Alto, which is a petrol car, and it was modified with rear wheels with electric motors using differentials. So petrol+electric hybrid.
the rim and brake setup is amazing alone, really hope to see more of this.
Clicked on this thinking I would click away.. I did not, amazing technology and creativity. Well done! 💪
Great engineering exercise but looks like a maintenance nightmare. I know he said it's impervious to water and dirt but, frankly, I don't believe him.
electric motors don't need maintenance
Spedracer55 “maintenance” in terms of exposure to elements and likelihood of corrosion and excess wear from being the wheel. This exposed gears + small rocks = a bad time. I wasn’t talking about schedule maintenance that ICEs have.
I could see these gears being shredded by debris.
I was thinking the same thing. Up here in the salt belt would put that completely impervious to dirt gears to the test. But I always like seeing these new ideas.
Yeah this thing is a fatal accident on wheels
Bloody hell! I want one too, the possibilities are endless with this.
This is amazing for those looking to hot rod without sacrificing anything really. My brain scrambled at the potential right away.
Okay so bye bye whipple and boost for the daily. Forgo the reliability and daily driving issues, get better fuel economy and convert to AWD all in one package... WHAT!
This is absolutely brilliant and I hope it takes off! I want to slap two on my single cab f150 right now.
Also, I think it is priced pretty competitively. Even though it's 10k wo battery and up to 13k with a battery, a stage 3 kit (plug n play turbo kit) usually runs 5k. However, stage 3 kits for fwd cars usually come with its fair share of problems (traction, torque steer, and extreamly narrow powerband).
With this kit, us hot hatch owners can effectively get 400+ hp AWD machine under 50k, and all that power will be accessable instantaniously. Imagine a gti or civic that smokes Shelby mustang and even corvette (if they manage to shrink then size of the motor) which costs well above 60k.
That's crazy
You can use the Lithium Ion battery from the 2012-2015 Civic Hybrid instead.
New Graphene batteries are best...they don't catch fire, hold more charge and last longer
Deejay Core And aren’t commercially available
biggdaddy2000 on how much amp doe you charge them?
biggdaddy2000 graphene actually is better overall than lithium ion batteries,at least the batteries that samsung has.
It's almost 2022 how come this isn't available on the market yet (correct me if I'm wrong)
Big disadvantage, without lubricating power, gear will be damaged because of dirt and fragments! Rollers has small bearings inside with small side load, also, when wheel become rough due to fragments of dirt and asphalt, roller will be shaking and noisy! This is inovative but not practical!
dude this thing needs to be time ands trial tested. but its a awesome start! now lets wait for people to improve it and shit ... this is crazy you can make any car fast as fuck..... omg
I was thinking the same way. That turbine sound is actually the sound of friction, like reverse gear. And system is uncovered from environment. Dust might kill it in a month.
I wonder if they put a plexiglass frame over it might help keeping foreign materials out. Because the rims look dope as fuck but the gears being exposed like that is a bad idea.
The best solution is Hub motor! And of story! Tesla have it... Job done.
@@zlackbiro i agree 100%, this absolute garbage.
This is what we need mount these on stock gas engines and when your in traffic your on electric. Simple and easy.
Love the sound of an electric motor. Awesomely futuristic.
Sounds like a hoover. Futuristic? They have been around since 1820.
@@chrishenniker5944 yeah I get it. You hate EV's. Got news for you: I don't give a shit. Also more news: an electric car today is totally different from one made in the 1800's. Most people can figure that out but obviously not you. If you don't like EV's then just don't buy one. No-one cares.
This is quite expensive BUT I can't wait for the possibilities of this.
Thanks Doc Brown. You made our cars gigawatt fast.
Incredible invention! Perhaps we all should pull out the engine, put the kit on all four wheels, put in one or two batteries, then presto magic, we can have a pure EV. Possible?
i think it is possible in near future ;)
For 20k? And that for 200 hp? No thanks
@@elia4783 it would be 70ft lbs of torque on each wheel. That's 280ft lbs total. Forget hp. Torque is what it's all about.
Zeeshan Fedaie I love torque lol
Zeeshan Fedaie 280 isnt that much but okay
What they should make is a semi-universal kit for FWD cars that replaces just one rear hub with an electric motor and a battery that has about 20 miles range. Make it as cheap as possible and adaptable to as many FWD cars as possible (leaving the original FWD drivetrain intact).
Many people just drive a few miles to work and back every weekday. They could use just the motor, if they're on a side street route, or let the clutch out in 5th gear, to cruise on gas, after using the motor to accelerate from 0. This would increase MPG to about 50, on any old FWD car. It's all the stop and go acceleration that lowers gasoline MPG in city driving.
Been waiting for something like this for decades. Can’t believe hub motors aren’t the standard
This is the future of vehicles, electric drive motors in the wheel hub. It makes vehicles much simpler, and more reliable. The electric motor can even do most of the braking too. Someone just needs to build a small safe reactor with a capacitor to smooth out the power use.
They should offer just the braking system! Good Lord what a sprung weight savings!
It's about time some inventor made rim drive tech available to production vehicles.
Why?
This is the coolest car-related thing I have seen lately! ❤️
I agree. They did many things right that we console and bucket seats observers could never do. They got a patent proving that. Very good start to a real world concept rather than waiting for the big boys to introduce ""advanced" tech they have probably been sitting on since the beginning of the steering wheel.
This concept is so incredible!
In some countries, people convert their cars to CNG or LP Gas, as those are cheaper to buy there. That saves a lot of money on gas; yet the conversion damages the engine. If this in-wheel motor concept comes into mainstream, I assume people will be interested to convert their car to electric/PHEV within few years.
With some good battery pack, you wont even need the old engine and transmissions anymore. Pretty neat! This might be a great way to give old cars a new life!
I absolutely love this. It'd be a welcome addition to my Mazdaspeed 3. Pure electric drive would be great for the city or early morning starts because my car is loud 😁
Can’t wait til the Chinese make it for dirt cheap lol 😂
When u see these kits causing fires you will know the Chinese versions have hit the market
Dirt cheap,and dangerous
Roxas Parks greedy Americans sell licensing agreements..then the engineering gets copied slightly different making another kind of the same thing legally
judlimixnofake sounds like your wife
They already do but Honda is Japanese
I would love to see the look on tyre fitter's face when you ask him to balance the wheels for you ;-) how is he even going to attach them to the wheel balancer?
yeah.. but there must be solution..
The sound of em, that's what film has us believe cars of the future sound like.
Absolutely incredible; innovation and ingenuity is next level!
An excellent development in car tech! I'd love to buy a 4 wheel drive with these and go all electric.
Then u must tune your car computer(ecu) a lot more.. its a lot more job to do compared to doing this only on back.
Did this ever make it to market?
How about dirt ingress? Looks like a small amount of brake dust / dirt on those gears would chew then to bits
@Noise Control no...try driving without diff cover and see how long it lasts.same with cv joints,dirt and greace pulls gears a part
@Noise Control.
You obviously have no idea about drive trains and wear.
Two gears that mesh together must be clean and lubricated.
The tolerances required are tight and even a small stone could destroy that system in fractions of a second.
Lubrication is required to reduce wear... However lubrication is sticky and can trap unwanted dirt.
Dirt in lubrication then will start to act as a grinding paste slowly grinding the contact surfaces down. Once the mating faces are worn, back lash then occurs and then torque transfer would rapidly tear this system apart!
Yes the wheels are rotating however this does not magically stop dirt ingression on to the drive teeth.
@Noise Control your first comment certainly doesn't sound like it
@@adamrobertsgb1 hey Adam, just put those gears in sealed enclosure and give it gear oil , it pretty easy to design sealed system for 2 gears
@@valpanig please explain how you can put those in a rotating seal.... The brake pad and disc is right next to the outer gear.
Any lube on those gears will attract dirt, then lube + dirt = grinding paste and will make short work of those gears
Its a super cool setup but what surprised me the most was when he said boot and not trunk. This guy knows how to cater to his audience.
This is what I like to see people do with cars that don't have what people expect and make it have what no thought would be possible
"100hp doesn't come cheap" unless you're Matt Happel lmao
Jonah Beale i can get a lot more than 100hp for a lot less than 10 grand😂😂
Fantastic video! Thanks for posting.
Wonder hw long those gears gonna last without any lube.
One drag race-ish.
Yeah, i think that must be a show kit, there is mo way it would work exposed.
you can brush some motor-kotte on those gears before every trip
It’s definitely a mod made for tuners as there will probably be much upkeep with those gears. The inventor said you can swap out the gears for different gear ratios and loos like its just a few bolts and a few minutes to get this done. So even if you had to do this once every few month (depending on your driving) and the gears sets were economical, then it would be nothing for a tuner to deal with. I’m curious about the noise factor in the cabin. Hopefully only under hard acceleration would it be loud.
I like it. All new ideas always help us even if they fail, they teach us how to not do something.
This is something that'll change the game forever
You can’t watch this very interesting video and not check the opinions of all the experts in the comments haha 😏😛
Everyone's a professional haha
Julio Colman lol yup came straight to comments for expert opinion
Right 😄
Brake dust....created by experts.
Actual experts? They use racing compound brakes and know even more about brake dust.
I need this on my Fiesta ST!!!
imagine if we could slap on hub motors on any old car... older civics, older S10 or other small pickups...any older small vehicle that is desirable where a 100-150hp would work perfect.
RCPro Driver you could throw them on an old beater truck for when it breaks down hahahahaha
9:45 CAN Bus : For those who wonder, is a standardized control network that connects all the electronic components in a single 'loop' and from this 'loop' , you can read and write information to be shared between the components, like throttle position, engine temperature, etc etc. It is universal between car brands ... mostly
Amazing engineering, I just hope he gets a deal with the automotive industry, and we don't see another good idear go to waste.
Maybe bump up the re-gen efficiency with super caps along side the batteries? I'll take two lol
The regen is actually brake caliper limited, because of the way the brake control works on a retrofit the calipers need to engage in braking, unlike a PHEV or EV that can do one pedal driving in electric mode and have the calipers completely disengaged even in moderate braking.
Unfortunately, the majority of braking is done by the front wheels so this is why the regen is so low. Find a way to regen off the front wheels as well and then you could get way higher figures.
These are gonna be great for mustang driver's
Imagine this in the UK, 1 winter and with all the salt its rusted and seized.
@@superchickenlips1 Thanks for the salt education. Doesnt stop this from rusting and corroding, maybe design a all weather unit and not just for use in a sunshine state? Its about being a realist, 9k for something that will be rusted and useless in 2 years... is that a good invention?
@@isoconfused8744 You missed the overall point because you're consumed with corrosion. It's the implications of this technology and it's implementation. Go back and listen again. No driveshafts. No differential. No lots of things that you would normally find in a normal 4WD rear end. Its lighter. It gets better fuel consumption and therefore CO2 emissions are down. Try and see past the end of your own nose and you might catch a glimpse of something that can be used in many many applications and is groundbreaking technology and engineering. So yes, it is a good invention, and when it's 100% element proof, you can stop worrying about the corrosion. Until then, just think; this bolt on kit could be put on any car or pick up. Think about a pick up that gets you 50mpg round town.
@@superchickenlips1 id do it on my 76 d100 for sure. I got a 440 in it, so around town being able to use this would be mint.
@@damiendoisher7812 at least you see the point and not just the weather.
@@superchickenlips1 one point is that without a locking Differential the Power from one Side is unavailable If the ground Need the Traktion on one side
That's instant electric 100hp and torque.
we can save older cars with this tech.
Like who would like that ;-) Not the car companys at least
genioussssssssss, know thats what is called ingenuity , think this should go down as the invention of the year
When this gets to $5000 all in count me in.
This is the future of hill climb. I said it a few months ago and I say it again. Electric vehicles are on the come up.
you are like five years too late
Why not put one for every wheel an gas engine to spin an generator for the charge of the batteries. Like a locomotive. That would be cool.
For that price you would be able to go buy a proper Range extended Electric with likely way more range. Would love to hear that tiny motor screaming down the highway. Going to sound like a higher pitched Ju 87.
Dude that's fucking badass! I've always hoped something like this would be a thing of the future
1) Wheel will come off on road (see how easy to loose the three nuts), 2) open gear won't last long, sand will grind everything off 3) the three plastic rollers to support the vehicle (actually two) will come apart in no time 4) car can only go straight line (don't see any structure to transfer later force)
I love this idea!
About $10,000 for +50hp per wheel... i just did a cam and tune in my LS and gained about the same... for less than a thousand. Perfect example of over-engineering. I will agree that this is amazing what they have created and extremely ingenious but just not worth it... just my opinion.
Not just the hp. Launch alone would make this worth it. Even if it didn't help much after that. And with improvement could help the launch a lot more with better gearing as stated.
You could just use it for launch control and shut it off after that.
Look's like a wear n tear nightmare....exposed to the elements. I have doubts it'll be viable in real world.
Did you miss the part where they say it's impervious to the outside elements or what wear and tear are you talking about?
@@XtremeGTI Look at it ffs. Exposed gears in mesh....just add dust, sand, road grime and water. It cannot be 100%enclosed as the brake rotor's housed in the same assembly and needs airflow to dissipate heat. Like I say, no application in practical real world terms.
Yea, the electric motor will be a fine but the gearing will grind itself tot death once some dirt gets in.
@@camfam52002 I'm an engineer, and a car enthusiast. I understand the concern, I immediately thought the same, but they speak of a cover in lexan or solid material with a seal - 07:25. So I'm assuming they try to protect it as best they can, unless I'm not understanding their conversation.
@@XtremeGTI I'm seeing metal gears to metal gears with no lubrication it'll eat itself apart with no cover or with a cover. Either way this will only last so many miles before you're replacing gear sets
I've personally been thinking about swapping a leaf subframe in the rear of a car. Like an old prelude or something. Then using a 2nd throttle really close to the gas throttle, but not too close to where I can't avoid it if I want.
2nd Gen Leafs are ~160kw. So if I go 320v, at 160kw, I'll need ~500amps(?). LFPs would be great for this.
Use some LFP's for high charge and discharge rating (though lower capacity). Some crazy BMS setup.
Maybe 4kw/h? That's all Porsche and Infiniti's hybrids have. Yeah they can only drive like a mile on pure electric, but with regen I can use it as a power boost and fuel economy (depending on how I drive it). And regen can help with braking a LOT!
I'm surprised more people haven't gone this route. It's safe power once you have it set up. Increases gas mileage when you're not going crazy.
Edit: 160kw is just a bit over 200hp for those wanting the numbers converted. Way more power 0-60mph than 60+ though.
Looks like a Rolex inside wheels. Perfect Engineering
Since it's electric talk about torque gain I'm curious about that! add 100hp and awd in a small and light sleeper would be awesome like an old crx!
Now imagine I take an NA Miata, cuz miata is always the answer right? Fully guted, make it basically a bear shell! Put the 100hp per wheel engine on all 4 corners, and that is my question; is there a way to use that on a front wheel, like bolt it on the front axles? That certainly means change the brake system like the rears!
So a 400hp, awd, 50% weight distribution, maybe sub 2100 lb but I don't know the weight trade loosing all the engine and transmission for batteries for four 100hp engine!
Maybe it would be the ultimate autocross experience! or not cause I don't know if it would work like my childish brain imagined it Aha :D
I thought exactly the same but with a BRZ instead of a miata
put retractable wings and youll fly
You smoke a lot of weed don't you?
I wonder if I can fit it in my 2019 Kia Soul?
For city be awesome i30N or any car dope I dunno if help better for race but interests.
I would add it to my i30n but 10k without battery is too much for me.
Anyone imagine how those wheel rotor combo performs on loose gravel or so? Exposed gears literally no lubrication, because they are exposed difficult to maintain, will need cleaning, supporting rollers on that triangle hub rolling on internal surface of rim, that will need to be clean too. Anyone Imagine if any small rock will catch there carbon wheel will be ruined instantly That cover is total joke, no waterproofing.. Over engineered unreliable solution. They are need reduce any mechanical detail and minimize failure. With all respect all that thing look like open Swiss clock on beach sand!
You state great points of view, I agree with you. Don't fix it if it ain't broken
That cover is for the show/demo. He specifically said that the kit will come with a solid plate (opaque or lean) and a SEAL to keep out debris.
Very cool tech guys. I will be watching as this matures, I am already daydreaming of fitting this on my 2016 Ford Focus ST and imagining the ways it could make rush hour traffic less painful in a manual transmission.
Excellent engineering and very happy as a human that this design has been realised for retro fitting . All makes sense! The only thing that need major attention is find a simple and cheap way to lessen the high motor rpm noise . Possible with out of phase high frequency noise cancellation technology . I hope within the next 5 years I can make my campervan 4wd with this tech !😊
"You can install in 1 hour"😂
LOL
Install is not including disassembly/removal
No extra weight?! You need enough batteries to run 100hp which won’t be lite...
Upgrade the alternator and the engine will charge them as you go. An extra 100lbs worth of battery and wiring is less weight than all of the diffs and driveshafts of an actual AWD version.
Jalen Davis a generator big enough to put out the energy needed to produce 100hp would starve the engine of way more than 100hp through efficiency loss. Regenerative breaking is about all you can use to maintain charge. You could trickle charge the batteries but again it would rob peak HP from the car which in the end is just as bad as adding more battery weight. Plus, adding more batteries needs to be done throughout the car to avoid changing the weight distribution too much. It’s just not a good solution but it’s a unique one and for that I gotta give it a thumbs up but they won’t sell many of these lots when they cost as much as a Chevy Volt once you buy everything. Just my opinion though, just graduate of how unique it is it might go gangbusters for people that care more about look and unique over actual performance.
honda should hire you as their engineer
Bruh, Honda has one of the best engineers😂
@@073Kvz073 hoping to see an AWD civic type r
2024trotter what about a em1 all wheel drive . That would be sick
That's so ingenious.... Top class engineering.
So much hate for honda no one ever wants to give a new developed invention a chance but I believe this will make the future of cars better. To those who are hating you can't say this wonderful invention is bad or it's not worth it because you never even tried it or seen it in the worst possible conditions maybe if you just give them a chance and try it for your self then you'll me change your mind. Love that awesome turbine noise!
It could be the future, with massive tweaking.
Can I go over bump on these at 100 km?)))
Yeah that wheel design has no structural support so thats a good point you make that rim design will damage easily.
@@shezie9525 the faster you go the easier impact from the bumps and holes, it is moderate speed that gets you
It's cool but the car sounds like A380 taking off
Thats an airplane you talking there. Which is completely fine if not better.
I think it's sounds like rc car
I do understand your fascination because you never heard of anything similar but... It's OLD news, and very poor execution at best... the open gearing is absolutely unacceptable, even childish. Look up Elaphe, now that's a real hub motor system, waaay better than this in every way.
Correct
I think it's obvious this is not new, but I think it's a great way to do it. Simple, light, easy to access for a consumer. What the other have been missing is a consumer market. They are all about OEM which makes it slow and difficult to get your car setup. If you are going to be negative at least have a point - are you an engineer who has researched or seen data on the testing of these? Didn't think so.
Yes I'm an engineer and I know a thing or two, about hub motors also. But you really don't need to be a genius to see, just how inefficient, fragile and unreliable this system is in it's very basics. Event Without logic, doesn't your gut-feeling convey to you just how unrealistic this system is? C'mon now...
@@b-manz you are correct. Real benefits of this technology are great when you take into account energy consumption and friction data. Car and airplane manufacturers are interested in this tech based on braking performance, static friction and moment of inertia derived benefits.
It is about patent acquisition around this technology.
@@davidmiletic6647 you do know few things... but you don't know main things about this. You are comparing it to hub motor systems which are total opposite from this based on moment of inertia. Do some research before you start bashing something based on your primitive biases. You are an incremental engineer... used to make small steps... blind for vision...
I've been waiting for this concept to come to live for years now! And I want to put this in the rear wheels of the big GMC motorhome.
Always thought this would be done w/ the CR-V drivetrain. Kudos to these guys for doing it better;)
Works great when pebbles are kept out.
i'm the honda pro and your in the know 😂
LOL
Quick somebody call rich rebuilds
I came up with a similar idea 10-15 years ago (electric hub motors to drive the front wheels to improve on Australian front engine rear drive vehicles at the time) to improve efficiency, help get our tyre pounding turbo 6s and V8s off the line, and provide a much more positive feel around bends courtesy of electronic torque vectoring.
You all have no idea how much it pleases me to see someone else has had the same idea and actually got it running and out the door 👍
The next step I'm guessing is to add electrical assistance to mechanical drive wheels, to add more power, relieve any flat spots of the internal combustion engine, and reduce driveline stress, as that was my idea to push the tech further had I been able to build it
*_Very interesting. Maybe I'll get this for my 97 Civic Ek 🤔_*
Golf GTI crying “why not me”
Because they had to put a robust electrical system in it. Robust electrical systems just don't seem to be a thing in post EFI VWs.
Because golf r :-/
He said they can fab it to fit.
GTE
Too expensive... Keep it under 5,000 and you'll have a lot of customers
I love it , but it’s so expensive.
it's aimed at people who can buy 35k+ cars new AND want to mod them. Definitely a market there.
Also, converting the civic to awd any other way would be quite a bit more expensive.
0xsergy still expensive, and if I put 13k in my focus st I’m sure I can get more than a 100hp .
0xsergy also anyone out there who would pay that much money for only a 100hp should get there head check.
Thats the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. Now that’s badass engineering right there!
This is so freaking sick! I would rock without the hubcaps! They look so metal!
Dope but they are asking $750,000 for a one year exploratory license shit is crazy you have to pay that much to use their tech for a year while they get info from it GTFOH
$10,000 battery not included.
Hell naw!
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Worst design. If the rim bents a bit the whole system wobble out that too in thousand pieces. Very inefficient rolling thus high rolling resistance. imagine getting sand into those gears... good luck.
That's what I was thinking! I was going to ask what if you hit a serious bump and bend the rim? Glad I'm not the only one that's asking questions. Ppl get so horny for ideas that need way more work - that being said, every popular product has a concept stage. Can't wait for this to be redesigned and perfected!
@@DanSanniti trust me, they will be able to find enough fool investors dying to invest in this thing.
Yeah this is one of those designs that looks more like a proff of concept more than an actual product to be used.
Imagine getting sand in all those motorcycle chains!! All exposed and shit
Meshing gears and a chain and sprocket combination are two completely different things.
Only missing part is charging integration with the IC engine and charging ports. This will act as a boost only when batteries are charged through regen braking.
You've opened a whole another area of possibilities