Rich Eisen Questions New Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald’s Attempt to Put His Own Stamp on Team’s Culture
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- Rich Eisen and Chris Brockman debate if new Seahawks head coach Mike Macdonald was right in removing photos from a wall at the team facilities that showcased the franchise’s past glory under Pete Carroll.
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I just gotta say, I REALLY appreciate that Rich gives Seahawks fans the respect they deserve in terms of giving the team national coverage. Us 12s really appreciate hearing someone from the national media break down the team moves 💙💚
I second this 💚💙
Wish he was giving the Hawks a spotlight by being positive instead of spinning this in a negative way.
Seahawks have got some national love today! I just feel bad that it felt like it was at the expense of Macdonald
He talks about them 3 maybe 4 times a year calm down
I know right! Being a Seahawks fan every year we get no coverage because of how far away north we are. It’s nice to get a 10 min segement
This hurts as a Seahawks fan but we have been living in 2013 for a decade now. The whole point of firing Pete is to move on from the past and start a new era.
It is not to forget the past, how does that work, exactly? Amnesia is the way forward?
As a saints fan. 100% understand completely
Pete accomplished something.... more than we can say about the seachicks now
@colonelJ77 every party needs a pooper that's why they invited you, party pooper, party pooper.
@@colonelJ77 Dude they haven't played a single snap since moving on from Pete yet 😂 and you're the one complaining about millennials in other comments...
Plot twist; pictures are only down temporarily to repaint the wall 😅
Hilarious
John schnieder said it’s temporary, they’re replacing the pictures with tvs etc…
That would be funny 💙💚😂
@@christianhernandez6319Yes he did. Listened to that a couple hours ago
I was totally guessing this by the way but I’m glad it turned out right 😂
I'm a huge Hawks fan, and have been since 1976. At my school, I want my picture and team picture to be on the wall, like those who preceeded my group and won and those who won and came after. If I were in charge, pictures of Walter Jones, Kenny Easley, Steve Largent, Doug Baldwin, etc, should be proudly displayed. Not just one era but all great players
Thank you well said 🎉
I'm a 12, and I'm fine with this. I don't see it as disrespectful. We don't still have massive pictures of Steve Largent or Shaun Alexander on the walls. It doesn't mean we don't value those players and what they did for the franchise. It's a whole new team, new coaching staff, and they need to do things their way
Also a 12. Rich is overreacting on this one. Leave space for the new guys to take over
Well if the team accomplishes anything.... make sure they don't hang any pictures or banners........ But, the simple fact is, they won't accomplish anything. What a millennial attitude....our country is doomed... so sad
Exactly! It was only Pete’s history. It wasn’t something of the entire Seahawks history. We already have troubles moving on from that era and now it bugs a random media guy….
@@colonelJ77 ok Boomer 😂
@colonelJ77 every party needs a pooper that's why they invited you, party pooper, party pooper.
Seahawks went to three super bowls in 10 years plus made the playoffs almost every year with carrol. They had a great run in the first 20 years of the century.
2 super bowls under Carroll, the 1st in '06 was under Holmgren
Did Pete Carroll have any pictures of Holgrem on the walls? We are talking about the practice facility here. Every new coaching regime wants to create their own messaging. Rich is drumming up drama over nothing.
Exactly
I was thinking the same thing…. What was on the wall before the Pete era? I don’t think this is a big deal. That Seahawks that were in that championship team will forever be remembered. They don’t get erased because you took down some photos. Personally, we needed a cleansing ever since that horrendous Super Bowl lost.
Did Carrol take down any murels?
They did, but then they replaced Holmgrem pictures with Pete Carrol’s Lombardi pictures after they won the Super Bowl because he deserved it. Mike Macdonald hasn’t coach a single game for the hawks yet and the pictures are coming down now
As a Seahawks fan, why is it so hard to get it through his head that it’s not erasing history or being disrespectful but it’s them saying it’s our time now and our time to make our own history here and to get a wall like the greats that were up here before. It’s a new chapter and era in Seattle and there isn’t anything wrong with it. What is so hard to not get that.
Well taking down the quotes and mantras is one thing. I think taking down iconic moments in Seattle history is a bit much. Like I know he wants to create some of his own but taking them down feels more like him trying to erase history then it does him wanting to build his own culture.
Like if he wanted to take them down, make some iconic moments of your own then replace them rather then just have a blank wall
But he can't hang any pictures up on that wall either. Each year it is a new team. So we now have a hospital hallway to walk down
@@trentwise3762We have social media to show for our history. Everyone knows about the LOB. Now it’s time to create a new era of Seattle football
@@kamikashe1957 so do the patriots just cover up all their pictures of Tom Brady? Do the packers take down the pictures of farve? Do the broncos remove all pictures of manning?
You shouldn’t have to look up videos of past Seahawks in order to view the teams history while in the building.
I think he understands the point, he just doesn’t see how leaving the pictures up gets in the way of that.
As a Seahawks fan I'm not going to crap on Macdonald before he's even coached a game. But Carroll had a Superbowl win and a loss, and before him Holmgren had a Superbowl loss. Ignoring the one weird season with Mara, I think the standard has been set. If the Macdonald era fills that blank wall with similar highlights then it's no problem and actually will probably make for a great anecdote for NFL Films productions. If it doesn't then this will be one of the things brought up by sports radio callers when he's run out of town. If you win you're a genius, and if you lose you're a dolt.
The pictures appear to be only for Pete's time so it is not the history of Hawks from 76. It would be different if it had the whole history from 76 to today.
Agree
Seahawks fan here. I understand his take, but I think he is missing the point a bit. A little frustrating that Rich doesn’t understand this. We aren’t talking about removing guys from the ring of honor. Obviously Sea doesn’t get the media coverage of other NFL teams… but I will tell you that it has felt like we have been desperately chasing those LoB years. This is a step forward in a new direction that will let these young guys pave their own pathway to being legends in the organization. Just my opinion obviously, but just seems odd that Rich doesn’t get that perspective lol
I don’t think it’s surprising or a problem that someone who hasn’t lived through our experiences would have a different perspective than us.
Context, the Seahawks are doing a bit of interior renovations at the VMAC. This includes going digital with these photographic moments of ALL the previous Seattle team greats.
Heard John say that there will still be an area that has all that historic stuff.
Seahawks were chasing the old days much like the Bears were/still are. Separating from that history and pressure will only be a good thing. Following The Guy is the hardest thing to do so wiping the slate clean is very smart.
I understand the sentiment of not wanting to live in the past, chasing ghosts and wanting to build new memories but it does feel a little off to remove the photos
That’s how I feel. Like I get removing the basketball hoop and the Pete Carroll quotes/mantras. But getting rid of the iconic moments feels a bit much. At least make some of your own then replace them rather then take them down and there just be an empty wall
Legion of Boom was a decade ago. That team didn't have Shaun Alexander on the walls. And Shaun Alexander didn't have Steve Largent on the walls. - Make your own mark! - Seahawks fan
None of those guys won 'ships.
@@viktorstagnetti7491 Lots of guys don't win chips in the Brady/Mahomes era and if they ran the ball back in 2015, I'd probably be singing a different tune!
For every Seahawks great that they drafted (Sherm, Kam, Earl, Bobby, Russ), they have drafted a legit LEMON of a player (Christine Michael, Paul Richardson, Germain Ifedi, CJ Prosise, MALIK MCDOWELL, Amara Darboh, LJ Collier, D'Wayne Eskridge).. Nevermind the Jamal Adams trade, the Jimmy Graham trade, and the Percy Harvin trade...
Agree, Sad the Rich E can't see this example you and others gave.
"Sometimes we're weighed down by the ghost" goes way harder than expected
That is a badass line no joke
I like the idea of removing the old photos too- even if just for a while. It’s the coach’s prerogative and I respect it.
Nah, Rich is off base here. We've been stagnant for a decade, trying to recreate the 2013 team. It's been time to move forward for years. Love this.
Well said
it’s called fresh start, clean slate, writing a new seahawks history (not disrespecting the past) ❤
I'd have loved it. Future success isn't tied to past achievements. "This wall is for success stories, I want you all to go and fill it up." I'd be so stoked to do that.
They didn't get rid of every old photo in the giant team facility. It's one hallway by the indoor practice facility and they got rid of one of the TWO basketball hoops in the facility. The hoop was in the press conference/meeting room. Mountain of of mole hill, Rich.
I’m a 12 and Schneider already addressed it saying they’re going digital, they’re being replaced by TVs. This is a new generation of Seahawks , it’s about the players Rich you know this. Give them every opportunity to write their book in the pages.
I see the old champions as inspiration. Heroes to aspire to be. o
I think of it as, that wall is available for you to fill up with your own achievements. And the other pictures are away from the practice room.
Very disrespectful that taking the photos down 😡😡😡😡😡😡
As a Seahawks fan I love it.
Reminds me of when Pete came after we lost our edge post-Holmgren era.
I’m a diehard Seahawks fan
- Where was all this LOB pride by media when they were giving up a historical amount of yards and touchdowns post LOB era
- Seahawks were chasing the old days just like how most of these once powerful franchises are. It does not work. Start your own era. Seattle has the foundation with Spoon, JSN, DK, K9 let this era be about them
- It’s also insane that people are making a big deal over a couple of posters that nothing but the players can see. Fun fact all of them see it as an opportunity. It’s not like Macdonald destroyed everything that belonged to Pete. There are things to honor the past within the building
We gotta get real here. Mike wants his guy to make their own story
History must be remembered, not erased!
I doubt they put the pictures in a wood chipper my man
That wall did nothing to get us out of the basement on defense the bast four years. I love Pete, but those prior accolades are not our future, its a new era in Seattle and as a 12 I am excited for our shift and to hopefully shed the bad habits of the past
As a Colts fan good luck Seattle! This reminds me a lot of the Grigson era in Indy.....
Thanks for talking about Pete Carroll. A great coach and someone who goes beyond football in his impact. I think Geno got hurt vs the Giants and took a few games to get right. All Seattle needed was 1 long field goal or different play and they were in the playoffs. Coach Pete would still be there and building. After the Russ trade the Seahawks were only supposed to win 5 games. They were ahead of schedule.
I love the old guard, but it is time for a new era in Seattle Been a diehard Seahawk fan since 76 appreciate the love Rich. We will do it again and paint. New stars go Seahawks.
Rich Eisen is a good Man
What it should be like is the back half of Bilbo’s book, the half that he left blank for Frodo to write his own story in. Don’t take them down from the wall, just finagle it a bit so that there’s still space up there so that your team might one day get to live up there in the mighty company of those who went before.
You never paint over a teams championship history. Those players earned their legacy in that building.
Love it , GO HAWS !
Mike MacDonald is the head coach now. His challenge is to replace the LOB pictures with his team’s pictures, hopefully hoisting a new Lombardi trophy.
John Schneider shed some more light on this subject from the GM prospective in his podcast. Worth a listen as a hawks fan. I took it as positive as John explained.
They only removed some images in one room. As John Schneider said, the building is full of LOB history, and more
As a Seahawks fan could care less
Erasing the pictures on the wall doesn't erase the moments that have already passed. All it does is make room for the new moments yet to come.
Bold statement and actions… You better win BIG this season!
Someone getting fired on RES. They are discussing a team that is not the Jets Cowboys or Michigan.
What’s worse, he talked NEGATIVELY about a Michigan guy!! Macdonald did this, it was his call. Can’t be negative about one of his ownwhat is Richie thinking? How dare he!
A jets fans shouldn’t be questioning any team culture.
What's more surprising is that Seattle ever had anything worth putting on the wall in the first place. 😄
I’m honestly really excited for this new chapter out in SEA. The players seem really excited to play and we got some DAWGS on both sides of the ball. Y’all let Penix fall to the late teens of the draft and we will be in the playoffs this year🔥
As a Hawks fan, I Lovvve it !! Mike has his mind of his own, and I lovvvve it !!
They toke down the pictures to replace with TV screens to show videos of all of the Seahawks history from start to finish. It was McDonald and John’s idea
John Schneider said they will go back up but will be digital
I think I speak for a lot of Seahawk fans when I say we have been trapped in a weird kind of limbo and all we think about when we
remember our first Super Bowl is how easy it would have been to have 2 and we don’t. All of what’s happening now with the photos coming down is a direct result of that play on the goal line 😢
All the pictures in the main facility are still up. They just took them down around the practice facility. There is a Schneider interview that explains that.
They also plan on putting screens up all over that will run old highlights on a loop
Im not mad about it. They can repaint walls every year, all I care about is results. The memory is forever in my head. No one can repaint that.
I dont know if this is with most of the other organizations that have had success through out the years, but do they have anniversaries of things that happened years ago? For example, how many Seattle Mariners fans knows about "the double" and how many times have the Mariners tried to "re-live" that day. I am glad they are closing the chapter on the Pete Carrol era so they can create a new wall. GO HAWKS!!!
5:22 “Sherman’s Tip the famous tip” is absolutely INSANE !!!
Haha that's awefull
This isn't the whole story. Listen to Schneider's recent weekly talk, it's only a specific area where photos were taken down. A bunch of stuff is still up everywhere else.
As a Seahawk fan I have NO issues with this move. It's a new day, a chance for this team to rally together. There's plenty of ways to honor the teams history but I want each player on this team right now knowing they are apart of history and what's about to occur.
Im excited for the future
There is a new Sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond.
Right on
As a die hard ravens fan of 20 years, we’ve had a lot of good defensive coordinators. Mike Mac is the best i’ve seen for us. The seahawks are in good hands.
This shouldn’t even be a topic in Seattle. They didn’t remove everything… I’m sure they still have all those pictures up other places in the building…
As a hawks fan, I respect Rich’s take but I fully disagree.
1. I’m sure there’s plenty of Carroll Era pictures/memorabilia within the practice facility/stadium. Taking down the pictures for one wall is not erasing history.
2. Seahawks are entering a much needed new era. Why not have somewhere in the practice facility that represents new beginnings?
As a Seahawks fan I like it. It’s not like he removed the Lombardi from the trophy case. They still have that area to honor the past. I think like brockman said it’s good for the players now to not be weighed down by that pressure in the halls they show up to work every day. Watching the Seahawks defense slowly decline over the years I can’t help but think that might’ve been part of the problem
Let’s be honest and call it by how is was he had a great year and “had” the opportunity to build a dynasty the same play that could’ve built it actually destroyed it.
I like the idea of him taking it down.
12 here, we kept the Carrol period in memory and documentry, the team trun the page, then we should no longer linger to the past, none of those guys are around, tear it down, put your own mark on it.
As a 12, who's lived through Hasselbeck Era and LOB-Carroll-Wilson-Super Bowl Era... THIS IS FINE. New Coaching Staff, New Look Seahawks and no more veterans from our SB team minus Schneider. Let MacDonald do what he wants. I understand how it can be disrespectful, but we're not that team anymore. We respect our franchise, we respect our legendary players time after time. Let this new team strive for greatness in their own way. I'm super excited to know that MacDonald "ain't taking no sh*t" and putting the urgency on these young guys. I truly think that that's what this team needs. Maturity and stepping up as the next generation of Seahawks should motivate'em to getting back to being a playoff winning team! Or a team that competes well in our tough division. Super excited, GO HAWKS!
I guess he doesn't ever wanna see any of the iconic players from the LOB Era walking into that facility like they often have done in the past often. Cause if those pictures are really down and it's not just being reorganized they're gonna take it as a slap in the face - and rightfully so. I really hope it's just being redone. man, I can see Richard Sherman going off the deep end about this.
Its not being erased Rich, you're reaching...its a wall of pictures that no one but players are seeing, its motivation to get put on that wall, that's it
This is about not thinking through the issue. The facility never had a team history area. They are making that now. They are building a place where the team's history can be properly respected. It's not on the wall opposite the bathroom.
I dont think they're pulling down photos of Joe Montana or Tom Brady?!? This is a huge disgrace!!! It wasnt pictures of Carroll... It was removing past legends! Macdonald is already done, and doesn't even know it yet! And Rich! Why are these guys in this show with you? It's ridiculous~
As a Seahawks fan, I’m okay with it. I feel like if I was there, those pictures would always remind me of what could have been. I’d rather more focused towards what *will* be.
I hate thinking about how that era ended. So I’d rather move on and create a new legacy.
Time to create new memories and allow the old one be idolise in proper place like a museum in the stadium or something. Let the new regimen cook.
As a 12 I get this. Kinda love the we have nothing, you have to go out and earn it all, make it all. Pete's tenor is a HOF timeframe that will never be forgotten. Seahawks moved on to create a new one. Clean slate
Is Rich not aware that Mayo has taken down all of Bill's "Do your job" posters in New England...???
Mcafee said they did this at the Colts when Luck came... then put everything back later.
not disrespectful.. i can see how mike is like this is a new team.. you hear about lob so much he wants to make his own stamp and not be overshadowed
Oh ffs, it’s not like they’re throwing the pictures away. They just took them down in the hallway as a motivational ploy to the new team, the team that’s in the building now wanting to make new memories. The other pictures are going to get put up again somewhere else in the building, just not in that part of the building anymore. New memories, new pictures…It’s not really hard to figure out.
I can sum it up for you Rich. The reason we Hawks fans are not upset about this is because we're more comfortable as underdogs 😅 always have been. It's the nature of our fandom
They only took down some of the murals and stuff in the halls, many of which were falling down, and are being replaced with video boards.... They still have all the other stuff showing everyone who came before.
Can’t blame them for taken it down after that Butler interception at the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl. I’d want to erase that History too.
I think there’s a distinction between living in the past and honoring the past. I get it. You’re the new guy. You want to establish your own identity. But show respect to those who came before you.
How many photos and murals from the Mike Holmgren era were on the walls? Cortez Kennedy and Kenny Easley? Let's be honest, each new regime puts their own stamp on the organization. If they don't, they end up fans sooner than later.
i am very hopeful, but i feel like leonard was trying to reach for something to grasp to. i respect him for taking that stance. if i am wrong then i am sorry.
That era was more than a painting on the wall. Them removing it isint disregarding it. its signagfying a new beginning where there's room to grow not into what was before but something new and hopefully better.
Seahawk fan here personally I love it
As the new guy coming in to lead a team you have to play the bad guy for a little bit to set the expectation that you're in charge.
Macdonald has put together an impressive coaching staff - that's the most important thing
We’re having a conversation about which pictures are on the wall. Just wow.
fr like if pictures are difference between winning and loosing then wtf are we even doing at practice? staring at pictures all day i guess
@stevenjackson7956 that's what it feels like our defense has been doing last 6 years.
@@marked4death076 don’t worry bro I’m a ravens fan and Mike McDonald is gonna make ur defense tough. I was praying he wouldn’t leave the ravens.
As a Seahawks fan myself I do not care at all about this. For me, I love those moments, but I don't know why those NEED to be shown behind the scenes. Make your own moments. Game on.
Its just a hallway. Im sure there is a place in the facility that has all those pictures and such displayed, showing their history.
Love this show
What I would have done is this....let's say wall is 100 feet long...keep at least a few really significant pictures of LOB and the Superbowl win then leave a large portion of the wall empty saying THIS PORTION IS FOR US!!! (for the new regime?
You know its a slow news day when you have to pretend to care about some pictures on a wall
I'm a Seahawks fan forever I understand it just move the photos to a different wall and give them that one to create there own success
My immediate thought is that it is motivation for the current team to find their own photos up on that wall. The history can't be erased by one wall in a building. I know it's April in the off season, but Rich might just be overthinking this one to fill out a ten minute segment. And you know what? That's okay.
I'm a big Hawks fan. I am going to give Mike McDonald the benefit fo the doubt for two years. I want to see what he can do. I can see taking old picks down this year as part of saying it's time to look forward. I'd also like to see a few of those put back up next year with a large empty area of wall and a sign saying "It's you job to fill this space".
Seahawks fan here. This is in the PLAYER/COACH facility, not the stadium, not any place for the fans. Mike is basically decorating his house. They are not pulling down banners or erasing history. To be fair, when those murals went up, the team started to perform worse.
Personally as someone who has coached highschool debaters who have arrived to be as good if not better than the ones before them. When we reset the board due to all the graduating seniors who have all these points it makes it clear that we will have new points scorers and it mentally makes it clear there is a new class new leadership etc. And as a Seahawks fan I think it's great it's giving a clean slate. It's not disrespectful it's a way of putting ones own stamp on the building. Disney did the same thing with it's animation department in the 80s look what came out after. Sometimes you do some aesthetic changes that don't diminish the past.
Hawks fan. Rich’s argument makes no sense. It’s just taking down pics from the previous era. Completely different than if the bears took down pics of Walter Payton. They aren’t taking down the ring of honor stuff. And it’s not for “motivation.” It’s just a fresh start. That’s literally all it is.