LEGO of power stations: Veryeah modular power station with unlimited expansion
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- My review of the new Veryeah modular power station that has unlimited expansion and infinite possibilities. In this video I show you how it all works and put it to the test to tell you the pros and cons and if it's worth backing.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:18 Power Brick Battery
3:12 Ports & Cables
3:58 AC Brick Inverter
5:26 AC Tests
6:54 Expansion Power Hub
7:54 Unlimited Expansion
8:14 DC Brick
9:17 Solar Charging
14:46 Charging Options
16:52 Pros
17:15 Cons
18:26 Wrap up
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Great video Todd! I really like this concept! I think they got a lot of things right and only a couple things I would change for my specific use case. I love that high power DC hub!
Would love to see these put through your grading system.
Thanks Jason. I think it's a cool concept, especially because if it's not exactly perfect for you today, it might be tomorrow as they keep rolling out new modules. I like that you won't outgrow this like you might with one box power stations. Prices are surprisingly affordable too, just saw the launch prices. I hope other companies get into the modular game.
Jason, the whole time I was watching this video, I was thinking, 'I wonder if Jason knows about this! I've got to send him an email!!' 🤣 And Todd, thank you for this video. I'll definitely be looking in to this concept. I'm very interested in this! I believe it's a system my wallet can work with!! 👍
I’m hoping he’ll review it, especially the production version with all the accessories
Like the concept of building bricks. I will defiantly watch for this model to hit the market. I think it should have a Bluetooth app. I shy away from the Kickstarter concept.
It's a very well thought out system, but for true home backup as a possible use option for this concept, there needs to be two functionalities added, Now this could be done in two different ways: There needs to be a higher inverter output brick - 3.6 to 5 Kw. There also needs to be a power brick parallel option to take two 2400 Watt AC bricks and use them in split phase mode to produce 4800 Watts @ 240 Volts AC for home backup. Another option is to be able to simply parallel as many 2400 Watt AC power bricks as required in order to output the Level of KiloWatts best suited for the amount of home backup supply which best matches anyone home size being backed up by this system. Another way you could do this is to offer a power AC brick which can do both 120/240 AC in the same housing one AC brick. Obviously the dual voltage AC brick would need to be larger (Taller) to accommodate the larger transformers and capacitors required to facilitate 240 Volts AC @ 30 to 50 Amps of duty.
Yep, I totally agree and was talking to them about adding dual phase 240v support, probably through a sync box like EF and Bluetti does but having a one box version of that is the holy grail. They are going to keep rolling out bricks so keep the ideas coming, they want to know what to prioritize
@@todd.parker Is there anyway to be able to reach the company directly Todd ?
@@markjob6354 The Facebook group might be a good place - I linked to it in the description. Feel free to email me if needed, I’ll see what I can do
I absolutely love this approach! Excited to see the release!
Yeah, it's a really cool idea and they are working on adding new modules to make it even better
Awesome product and video. I just subscribed and will be watching your other videos
Thanks for the sub!
I like you new thumbnail design…you’re putting out valuable information
This is excellent! Probably a more expensive approach but the modular design might be easier for many to afford over time rather than a giant payment. That solar hub is incredible. Not having to worry about matching panels or worry about connection types. Just an amazing product offering.
This is a really cool modular system and the power brinks can be moved around easily. A great concept.
I agree and I think they can refine and extend this to make it even better while keeping your original investment in the bricks safe
Thanks for the nice video Todd! I really like the modular system this product delivers. As an improvement, I would have added a secondary VE30 connector on the back of the battery module’s and on the inverter module, this eliminates the need for the Expansion Power Hub, for a moderate sized system (for instance, 1 inverter and 6 batteries). Then using Expansion Brick’s when needing an even larger set of batteries.
That’s a smart idea. I’ll pass that along.
Good video Todd! Interesting design for sure with ability to add one easily to customize.
The solar charging for multiple is I think to much but it’s takes a few builds sometimes to get it right 👍🏼
Yeah, looking forward to the high power solar brick that’s 1000w/150v, that’s more my speed
I can't wait to see how this turns out.
Yeah, it’s early days but seems very promising
Really is plug and play system. I think for overlanding would work.
Even with camping in trailer trailer we need power to run my and wife’s CPAP and her O2 concentrator. If we go out further need enough power.
Thanks for sharing.
For now I’ll wait til it actually comes out and some actual retail models can be reviewed
The good news is I think these will be for sale soon after the Kickstarter units ship out in September so you’ll be able to buy then, just at a slightly higher price. I’ve been impressed so far with these
The companies need to follow in the foot steps of the TiTAN. Each module interlocks into each other, no cables.
I do like the idea of stacking connectors like this but I guess that means you can only stack them? Cables feel like the clumsiest parts of all these systems
It’s a very interesting approach. I think it will end up being expensive as each battery has its own BMS and outlet and connector consortium. When you add in the power and charging hubs it doesn’t seem too much simpler than other built systems. Also it’s frustrating that all these companies keep making awkward, jutting expansion cables that take up extra space instead of designing right angle cables that hug the contour of the devices they connect. Much room for improvement.
I totally agree on the cables - how hard is a right angle connector? At least these are much more flexible. I just saw the Kickstarter pricing and these are surprisingly affordable ($690 retail for the 1kwh batteries) but it's not simpler than an all-in-one box for sure.
For me, I have a hard time trying to recommend products to people because the current power stations have all these tradeoffs baked in that we're all used to. For example, if you buy a small power station like a River or EB3A and you want to run your fridge, you need to sell that at a loss and buy a Delta or AC180/200MAX. If you want more storage or 30A DC output, you need to step up to a Delta Pro/AC300/500, etc. I like that you can transition between these needs without starting over, just like you could with a DIY system but with less fiddly bits and need to know the technical details. Not perfect, but interesting for sure.
Right, it can't solve two problems simultaneously ... but there is a niche sweet spot for it at the crossing of two functions.
It has a convenience factor to consider plotted against cost and ability. if you scale it to say 100 units is it really a convenience anymore? Then you apply it to, well, I eventually need a hundred but I don't know anything about how to build a system and I will never learn. So, I'll build up over time and never try to learn how to do it better, because my time doing x is more efficient for me than learning how to do y ... and that is totally acceptable and logical to think that way ... just depends on your niche.
Yeah I agree ... they sometimes make it so it looks cool and in doing so forfeit design efficiency. Marketing Bro ... want a black car ... it cost more than a silver one lol. And yet the black one gets hotter in the sun. Either you really like black ... or you hate silver hehe. They try to maximize both to get your attention so your money goes their way.
When they try to recruit outside the niche is where I start to get a bit perturbed. It's not a solution for all ... but for some, it is sweet.
@@ejrupp9555 I think this is mostly optimized for 1-5 power bricks based on its I/O. Yes, you can expand it further but even at 10 bricks, that’s probably as far as you’d want to go without jumping through a lot of hoops
@@todd.parker They will need to bring the cost down below 500 bucks before they can gain any traction, IMO, If they are marketing based on looks and functionality. You can get similar functioning batteries with 5 year warranties for half the cost that don't look as pretty. Seems they are putting a lot of value on how it looks rather than how it functions.
690 for a kWh is a bit steep. It's not a direct comparison but they need to be closer to the 5kWH server rack prices. $340/kWh, add 30-40% convenience fee ~$500. EcoFlow has the Delta 2 Max EB for $950, plus you can use ecocredits to lower that price more. I've seen Amazon lightning deals that are that good too.
I like this idea it seems to makes things easy and plenty of power
Yeah, it’s a cool idea!
How about the recharge option of being plugged into the grid via "wall outlet"
and or also recharged off of a portable generator?
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Have you looked into inergy. I have the flex dc it’s awesome for a solar power station
So the theme of this product is modular.
Brilliant!
Yep! You can start small and scale up over time or remix components as needed
I think it is very cool and intuitive product. Coming from someone that is new to a lot of this I like customization and ability to grow. I have a new shed/workshop and I would really like to get it self sustained on most of the workings in it and this looks right in the ballpark. You think they will have a mod attachment to be able to run as an app later?
I don't think so. They intentionally went with simplicity so there isn't any bluetooth, wifi, or even USB for software updates or an app. The nice thing is there is much less to go wrong but it rules out an app.
I do like the exclusion of WiFi/BT but i would like for a way to not use AC unless the battery is below say 20%.
Which i guess could be possible with a different hub
This could be useful for a residential fridge backup if they added a UPS module to/alongside the link box
Excellent video...really top-notch. The product starts out with this premise of being very simple; just two modules to link together. And then, and then, and then...AND THEN!! (No more 'and then'!!) They need to put a good solar charge controller into another one of the Legos.
Yeah, it starts off real simple but can get crazy if you want it to. I’ve been working with them to design a 1000w/150v solar controller with MC4 inputs which I think will make a lot of people happy. That’s the cool part - if you don’t like it now, they can just add a new brick to unlock new features
@@todd.parker - The modular design has a lot of promise. They will want to sell the AC inverter, SCC (dual?) and one battery, in a bundle. Another bundle might include 2 batteries or a total of 4, so you can stack them all the pieces in a 2x3 or 3x2 configuration.
@@jasonbroom7147 Yep, really you can start with any configuration and add on from there but on KS, you get a better deal buying something close to what you want. They are definitely stable to 3x high, 4x is also ok on the floor. I even did 5 which works but…
The idea of buying piece by piece is a great idea to make it more affordable and can fit to the space available - so for an RV or the like, it's a great solution, but for home, it won't work without at least one 240 VAC @ 30 A or more. Which is impossible for a 2.4 kW inverter. I would suggest two things - an ability to parallel the inverters so you can work up to 7200 Watts (240 VAC @ 30A) or 9600 Watts (240 VAC @ 40A) and elbow interconnect cables in the rear. I would certainly spend my money on this stackable system that I can add to as time goes by.
Yep, I told them that’s a key feature to level up to whole home backup. They seemed confident they could sync 2 inverters to make that happen in the future. I like this will keep getting better over time. And I agree on right angle cables too.
Can these be charged while supplying power at the same time? I have a few things in my house I would like "off the grid". These devices are running 24x7. Would envision the batteries charging by solar (should be good where I live for maybe 8-9 months out of the year), but winter time charge the batteries with grid power. I really like the modular concept.
Yep, you can charge with solar while outputting power. They’d be great for that
This looks awesome if they can deliver! I've dropped enough on my Bluetti and Ecoflow gear now, but if I was in the market for a new system now it would be this, no question. I'd probably end up saving and getting another new battery every 2-3 months, until I ran out of room.
Having them all take 160w panels is a good idea, too. No more worry about volts or amps or how to put your system together - one battery, one panel! And you can have all the panels in different places and angles, too, some charge in the morning, others in the evening.
Yeah, it’s a cool way of approaching this. I’m just glad somebody is trying to do something other than another black box stuffed with ports
So, how would you scale something like this to cover an entire house, with 200 amp service? And how would you provide that 200 amp service for, say two or three days? Of course, the whole house doesn't pull 200 amps all the time, but in this circumstance you do need to pull high amounts of current for certain shorter periods of time to run certain larger loads.
If you had a 240V/three phase combiner box, how do you gang multiples of those together to be able to cover the whole house for that period of time?
I think as it stands now, this system is better suited for running large appliances like a Delta 2 or Max or AC2000max but isn’t quite up to running a whole home yet. I’ve been talking to them about a lot of these ideas so maybe in the future it can support more input/output and 240v power
Very nice video and I'm impressed with this concept, very interesting is the modularity that everyone could put together what they need and when they need more just extend their existing system.
I miss the detailed online monitoring app with history recording. If wifi or internet over cable was available it would show everything needed. If internet was not available, it would store the data in memory and when connected to the internet, offline data would be available as well.
I agree that the limited information on the display is sufficient for basic use, but having the ability to track online and offline is missing from my viewpoint.
It would be great to have such options. Also, updatable firmware would be great.
I hope these features will be added in future releases, I will be following this.
Yeah, I’m curious if they will go down the road of having more data and an app. The cool thing is they might be able to do that with the existing components by adding a monitoring brick but I’m now sure about the technical details. I will say they are listening to feedback and will keep building on these ideas without making the original components obsolete
Hi very nice system, is it supposed to be acting as UPS too?
I don't think this has a UPS feature
As is usual for you, great review! I’ve settled in with two Delta 2s and watch your reviews for something new to see in the solar generator market place but just maybe something would motivate me to sell the Deltas and get something new. I like the Delta 2 because the weight is light enough for me to take camping. I’m also set up with a home Reliance 6 Circuit Transfer Switch if (when) we have a grid failure and an EZ Switch dedicated to my furnace in winter. Also, I built a 100 ah 12 v battery box to help sustain power to these circuits. I don’t use solar much when camping anymore but if a SHTF grid failure occurs I have a few panels that will help a bit-perhaps a little bit.
Cool setup, mine is similar. It’s funny how much wasted space there is in the D2 extra battery compared to these modules.
@@todd.parker Regarding the EB difference in size: Do you think the BMS units might be different, the architecture of the battery cells, the protective innards? Perhaps, it is just an external design compatibility for the EcoFlow batteries.
@@jacksherman7445 my hunch is they just wanted both units to be the same size so Ecoflow added a storage area on top but I think there must be extra space inside,. The Veryeah somehow fits in a solar charge controller, DC input and USB ports. Quality seems similar at least we performance wise
So are you able to gang multiple AC modules off the same battery bank? I would think if you invest in 8 or 10 battery modules then you will want more than 2400w output - maybe not split phase 240v output but at least multiple ac modules
You can attach an AC brick to each battery if you want or hook it to the power hub to power it with multiple batteries. I think 240v may be coming in the future
Hope they offer all sorts of cable lengths. This modular setup would be useful for hiding in vehicle nooks and crannies
Do you think the VE30 port could run a 48V DC air conditioner, like the Nomadic Cooling 2000?
Yes and no. I don’t think you can just hack a cable since this has communication pins but I asked them about this and they said they could produce 24v and 48v DC output bricks with regulated output for these scenarios if there’s interest
I assume that the each Power Brick always works as a separate unit in the system, and the Power HUB just switches between power bricks as needed by the system.
So by switching the Power HUB, the LifePO4 Power Bricks may not have the same voltage when plugged into the same system.
So if there are multiple Power Bricks in the system, and so when one Power Brick becomes discharged, the other charged Power Brick takes its place and the discharged Power Brick can be disconnected and charged at a different place or charge it directly even if an AC load is being drawn from the system, in that case the most discharged Power Brick is charged first.
Does this system work like this?
That’s exactly it. The hub just coordinates battery to discharge so you don’t need to manually switch them. It also gives you a high power input to recharge a set of batteries. You could skip the hub if you wanted to handle than manually by plugging things together since each power brick works fine by itself
This looks promising- but they need to add a communications module to get that other info remotely accessible via Bluetooth/wifi/remote panel for a good van/rv setup.
That would be nice for a van setup
Agree👍
Thank you for another excellent video and review! Could 2 Power Brick Hubs, an AC brick Inverter and aDC Brick be connected without an Extension Power Hub?
You definitely can do that if you’re willing to manually switch between Power Brick batteries when one gets low. The main thing you get with the hub is it will auto switch between batteries when one gets low or too hot and you can plug in a charging source and have it recharge each battery sequentially by itself.
@@todd.parker Thanks much. I didn't see a way to get the hub as an add on, which makes the system worthwhile for me.
@@Clint3029 gotcha. They will sell each component separately in their store so you can create whatever configuration you want. If you back the project, I believe you’ll be able to add components when the project ends too so you can start with a good base and tweak from there
this would be cool in a server rack format. Can you please relay this feedback?
Sure. Feel free to reach out to their founder Aaron with questions or feedback: Aaron@veryeah.com
It would be useful to be able to join bricks and move several joined bricks together.
The joints would be at each corner on all walls to allow for different shapes and configurations to be stacked.
Or have some sort of racking shelf that would dock several bricks together into a single unit as needed by each.
All interesting ideas for a 2.0 product. I’ll be sure to mention it
Looks great! Also, it might be useful if they eventually offer an adjustable rack or shelved cart system that works with the specific equipment measurements and allows for a modifiable, well-organized and possibly even mobile package. @@todd.parker
Great idea. My only two issues are cost per wh and if bulding a big bank... its going to cost alot of extra $$ in redundant chargers and mppts which wont be necessary.
If you want to build a very large system, I agree although I think over time they will be releasing more powerful solar and wall chargers that might help. Price is pretty good at $0.70/wh or cheaper
I think this a good solution for some people. I think for true/small scale home back up. (like 120v only via transfer switch/extension cords what have you) they need to up the AC inverter size, or at least add some “intelligent” way to monitor input and out. Adding a run time on current load, or a way monitor on an app or another modular system to be added. Either way, I like the idea of the “build your own system” but it’s needs refinement to be competitive.
I brought this up and they said they intentionally kept the data display simple because regular people just want to know how much battery power you have left but for someone like me, I’d like to know a bit more, even if they cycled between SOC, input watts, and output watts on the batteries. Maybe in the future…
Wow, now that's a cool power station! Can they synchronize phases to double the 120V output of the inverters or create 2 phase 240V? Might be an "easy" future add-on 👍
They are looking into it…
@@todd.parker awesome!
This went from a sleek-looking system to a tangled mess of cables.
As you grow the system, there definitely are more cables but it’s not too bad because they are around back and fairly low profile
In a power 'grid down' situation, why do people worry about how long will their EMERGENCY power supply run their washing machine, keep their 50 gallons of hot water heated, or run their whole house air conditioner? Unless one has the solar capacity to run these devices they should probably leave them off.
Yeah, agreed you really need to conserve. Just running a fridge fur 24 hours will use 2kwh. You can’t have too much storage or solar
Are those ports to charge it, xt60 & xt90?
They are much bigger than that to handle more current (70A). I think they are closer to a XT150 but with extra communication pins in the middle - pretty similar to the EcoFlow or Anker cables but flatter and more flexible.
This thing is impressive for sure. They need a module that shows how much solar is coming in. Love that flexible cable. At first look, this is really interesting. Havent gotten to the price yet tho. lol
Have you seen the latest Ferrari? They are super cool ... can't afford that either.
@@ejrupp9555 😂😂
Prices are surprisingly good, around 65-70 cents per wh. I didn’t know pricing when I did the video and it’s better than I expected. It’s at least an interesting take on a power station that isn’t another inflexible boring box, right?
@@todd.parker I read that as least expensive that I still can't afford even though I am above the mean regarding that ability (to afford).
It's your opinion ... I don't condemn you for having it. I judge only me, and likewise state my opinion..
Mine is that, it is niche, and niche brings with it a price modifier and I'm fine with that, not everything has to be me. It's a function equation where one's ability is part of the equation that is a cost divider along with inconvenience tolerance etc. That function is compared with a can or can't function and to the degree it fluctuates from the mean.
I'm well below that mean because my ability is above the mean and tolerance below it.
Your $/wh calculation is dependent on a range within a range (efficiency of scale) and then applied to a range of another range (need vs ability to afford). That's what a niche is, and at most ,generally speaking, it is a representative of a 1/4 of a demographic but more likely closer to 1/9 (one box of the tic tac toe board). So when you say don't you think, ... expect a yes reply from 1/9 to 1/4 people.
What you call a boring box is interpreted from the viewpoint of the niche in which you reside. Again expect that agreement with that is according to the same 1/9 1/4 situation.
It's why I don't get upset when people disagree because my niche and theirs' is less likely the more variables and or options there are.
I still think Ferrari's are cool. But I think the international Space Station is cooler. Can't afford ether though lol. That is what I was trying to convey. Just because most people are in the same boat doesn't mean the view from your niche is wrong. More power to ya if you can afford it (pun intended).
@@ejrupp9555 everyone has different needs and levels of what they can afford. I think the main advantage of this system is you can start with a single battery at around $690 and have a nice little power station with YSB output and eventually add on. If you bought a River Pro at that price, it gives you AC and DC output ;and smaller battery) but you’re stuck there and can’t expand later so in the long run, these dead ends are more expensive
Great video! Can we talk about cooperation ?
Ooo.. That regulated DC brick is great. I would love a 24V version of that brick for HAM Radio and other professional gear.
Yeah, so glad they came out with the DC module. An early design had a 12/24v switch but it got a bit too complex to build but if other folks request a 24v module, they probably could bring it out at some point.
@@todd.parker Yes! That would be useful. For now I could use a USB-C 20V DC Trigger, but that'd be limited to 100W. Not bad, but the DC module will unlock much higher power :)
@@ChinmayPendharkar cool. I’ll pass that along. Offering high power regulated DC output at different voltages is a really unique feature that will be popular with certain niches
Can it handle a 15 amp table saw? (1800 watts) Keep in mind that at start up, it may draw 39 to 40 amps (3600 - 4800 watts) for a couple of seconds.
Good question. I don’t have a big table saw to test but that’s likely too much surge
Do you know if they will ship this to Hawaii? I couldnt find a place to ask that on the Kickstarter
Avoid Kickstarter.... Seriously how many times do we have to cover this?
You’re not wrong that Kickstarter is risky (I’ve been burned) but these guys seem ready to go and have a large manufacturer lined up to crank these out
@@todd.parker possible to ask if they can ship to hawaii?
Why would I want to pay for a separate mppt charger in every battery? The modular construction as you say would let me have a one time cost for a mppt brick. That would keep down my expansion cost and make it more attractive for powerwall builders. The switched battery drain is also a minus. I would prefer parallel drain or a brain brick to keep batteries from full cycle every time. Brain brick to set depth of discharge. What is the construction, plastic ends aluminum shell? Does it come with a low temperature interlock for charging so I can leave it in my camper?
I just asked and yes it has low temperature protection. I know the USB and charge controllers add a bit to the cost but it’s way better than Ecoflow’s batteries that can only be charged or discharged through the main unit. Bluetti batteries have I/O too and its much more useful
as a newbie diyer wish i could try this instead of delta2. but no regrets when needs in front !! nice presentation . motivated my morning . BTW the best in pros you didnt mention. many times less chances to stay out of power .. would love to know the specs of battery ... i m guessing 50 volts but not sure
Thanks 👍
It would be interesting to see a system where inverters can be turned on and off depending upon the demand. Currently we have to size the inverter upon the maximum draw, which typically implies a large idle current draw and low efficiency at lower power outputs such as at night time when only a Fridge and security lights are on
I agree. It would be cool to have multiple smaller inverters so they could be used efficiently to power small loads or synced up to power bigger things as needed
i was told using a big inverter for a small load makes the inverter less likely to break (due to its bigger leeway) instead of using the nearest capacity inverter related to the load. is it not true?
@@agps4418 I’m sure it’s not good to run an inverter at 90-100%+ for long periods but it’s definitely not efficient to power up a 2,400w inverter to run a 50w load either so it’s a balance
I saw someone had a Victron setup and used the relay contacts and the remote enable inputs to have one inverter trigger the other to save energy just like that. I think he had it shut off overnight for example and had it scheduled to turn on if the other inverter increased beyond the 80% load and at certain times of the day
Great presentation of this product, the only weakness that needs to be addressed is its charging abilities. Wall charging and solar are limited, if the weather is bad and power is out there is no recharging capability. The average person with a 2200 watt portable generator could recharge this unit in about an hour or two and that gives alot of flexibility. In a power outage you can utilize your batteries at night and recharge them with the generator during the day. Long story short, it needs to be able to be charged by a generator.
I agree. It’s very strong on output abd weaker on input but I know they are working on improvements to that
I think this could be good for portable units but not for home backup. For home backup I suggest larger batteries, a somewhat more powerful inverter (3kw) that can be doubled for 240 volt and thus far less "connections" and cables. They selected a strange voltage range. For home backup they will need either much higher voltages (250 volts and higher) and/or solar panel connections on the batteries so multiple strings of panels can be connected.
Yeah, the system now is t quite enough for a whole home backup but they are looking at options to do 240v output and offer a more powerful 1,000w/150v solar charger with MC4 inputs in the near future
Very intriguing eco system. A lot of thought and planning went into all facets of it. Nicely done video, thank you.
It would be great if they can make a DC bench power supply that can do up to 60V 30A with adjustable voltage
i already back the project after watching your review
Glad you backed it, it’s a good system. They might come out with a 24v or even 38v DC brick but my hunch is it won’t be variable
@@todd.parker the one i like is you can hot swap modules, would be nice if ev manufacture does that for quick repair
My thoughts are this will only be successful if that future solar model of 1000 watts and 150v comes into production. The modular stuff is cool up but a 160w mppt is just too slow. Plus when you have to have buy all this stuff individually its going to add up in cost.
I agree that for a lot of people, having a 150v charge controller that works well with larger MC4 arrays will be a killer feature. The cool thing with this system is they can keep rolling out new modules if there is demand. I do think for novices the 160w panels combines into the 6x hub for 960w of power is a pretty slick solution that's like a better version of what Anker did with the 767 but it's nice to have both options for sure. I didn't know prices at the time I made this but I'm impressed at how affordable these units are tbh.
You can get 540 watts with 50volts right now. 3 in series surpasses what you mentioned. Price on higher output solar is the issue right now.
Clayton Young I think the high power solar module is next on their list, I’ve been working with them on making sure it’s best in class so I can hook up my big array :)
Why wouldn't they make the connection cables 90 degrees so you only need 2 inches instead of 6? Makes no sense that they thought about cord protrusion but couldn't come up with a 90-degree plug.
I’ll suggest that to them. I agree that’s best when stacked
Looks interesting. It's a shame they made everything so small - doubling the size of it with 2000wh battery packs and a 5kw inverter would have made it a much more sensible an useful system. Also looks like they're rating it 100% DOD as 3000 cycles is poor for this battery chemistry (though admittedly so much better than the laughable 800 cycles on an ecoflow, or as i call it 3yearsanditsgonnabedeadflow). Price is the main area of concern all of the packaging and casework and cabling etc etc all significantly adds to the price compared to just buying one 5-10kwh battery and one 3-5kw inverter.
Based on the way they sized it, I think this is designed to be more of a competitor to the Delta Max, AC200MAX, or Anker 767 but with more expandability and options. Although you can scale it infinitely on the battery side, it’s not the same scale as an AC500. That said, they may be rolling out 240v support, high power solar charging modules, etc. to get closer. The VE24/30 ports will intimately be the limiting factor - they’re quite powerful but to support a 5kw inverter, you need to connect a few batteries. Maybe they can address that with a high power hub that has more than one VE30 output and supports more batteries. It’s cool how they can evolve this, that’s the fun part
A cool brick they could add, an inverter brick with European 240 volt sockets.
I’m pretty sure they are offering that, I see a section of the different AC plugs on Kickstarter
Sad the cases are not an interlocking system. All the cables should be right angle connectors. They should make the power hub the same form factor. As well, they should make a dummy case as a drawer that you could store cables and other crap.
Good ideas I’ll pass along. A few people have mentioned the right angle cables and it’s a good idea when stacked, less so when side by side but maybe they offer both.
@@todd.parker or right angle adapters 👍
Good visualization of the modular concept. However, the one problem I see is, even though the wires are extremely flexible... they are still wires. In this area, the Inergy Flex system has it beat. Beyond that, if someone is ok working with wires, this system should be a contender.
It would be nice to have wires with right angle connectors for when they are stacked, but since they are in the back and don’t use much space they generally don’t bother me.
I would love to see how long the airconditioner runs off of that.
It would be really good for that but Ecoflow has it locked into their batteries and power stations unless you want to run it off AC. This system would be amazing for a vanbuild with a 12v AC because of the 30A DC output.
With the additional Ecoflow battery base, can’t you charge via 12V?
@@GetOutSmore You're right, you can via the car charging cable but it's limited to 100w. It would be good to be able to get 24 or 48v output from this system which would charge the Wave 2 much faster - I've mentioned that to them.
@@todd.parker Wouldn't the amperage draw from a 12V air conditioner like the Dometic RTX be too high for the battery?
@@DaphneLowe I’m not sure what those pull but this is limited to 30A. Low voltage means it may pull quite a bit more than that but I believe you could connect 2 DC bricks to 2 batteries, connect those in parallel and supply 60A, etc. The hats the cool part of this
They should make a easy way to replace the internal batteries with any other brand of batteries when the original ones will get worn out
My wall outlet electricity costs $0.076 per kWhr, if I charge 18650 Li-ion batteries it costs me another $1.53 per kWhr. Batteries have a purpose. Right tool for the job.
As a counter point how much does that electricity cost when a tree takes out the power lines? But yes just charging a battery to reuse around the house is terribly inefficient. Unless you really need the convenience, not worth it. Backup energy storage for outages is a totally separate category though. You can always pick some part of your home/setup and have it become solar powered. My home office is now mostly run off solar using my EcoFlow Delta 2 Max
Very interresting concept, the only one negative to me ,is this looks like only fine weather charging, they don't look very waterproof solar panel connections, unlike the panels for my bluette 200 max with mc4 connectors. mine for instance is over paneled with 3 panels at 410 watts each, and giving a total of 1230 watts thats 330 over its limit, so I have my panels on garage flat roof on free standing tiltable frames weighted down hopefull to withstand are Scottish high winds at times All three are in different directions, to stagger input through-out the day. I know some will say why did I not put them on a sun following divice. Two reasons to cost and not a strong enought roof on garage without a lot of work can you see even just 2 panels on a sun chasing frame would be huge wind catcher. all this happened to me in ignorance by firstly ordering one 410w panel and was shocked on how largethe panel was! firstly having an idea of mounting on house on a south facing wall of house, as roof has a 3 kilowatt grid tied system on it ,mainly for winter use as sun is very low in Scottish winters, even one panel was to large for me to handle, and they also would cover the windows, so that idea was out of the question unless i used multi small panels. so I ordered a second panel and decided to fit them on garage roof knowing a longer wire run was required, so I checked online first to see if any lose over my distance on cable, and it said its OK with heaver wire gauge, so i ordered a second panel and supplier made a cock up and sent two panels instead!, happy days. I made my own frames with perforated angle iron already owned,so basicaly for free, and made them with adjustment for sun hight in different sessons. this works not to bad, 6 months use, so far and only twice Ihave I had to mains charge the system. this allows me as sole occupunt of home to use most things in house other than large oven and electric shower, so replaced oven with smaller one, as on own anyway. and try to shower mostly when sun is out to lower cost of mains power shower! Sorry I went off topic a bit.
I had the same feedback when I first set this up. As you saw I had to carry the system outside to charge it in the video which is the same kind of issue I had with the Anker 767. They came up with a few ways to address this:
- if you want to use their panels, they added solar panel extension cable accessories so you can run the panel wires into your house where they can go into the solar hub so the electronics can be out of the weather
- they are also going to sell a MC4 to 5525 cable (or you can buy one on Amazon) to connect any glass panel with MC4 connectors to the solar hub or power brick directly
- they are working on a MC4 based solar hub that supports 1,000w at 150v so you can connect more typical solar arrays
Creo que la idea es muy buena 😅
I agree!
Too bad it won't charge from a usb-c - it'd be nice for those using it to power a notebook.
Also lacking is 220v support.
It would also be great if the modules could be connected electrically by using built-in connectors, kinda like you stack L-boxx tool boxes, though I understand the difficulties that would pose to engineer it, and the added bulk.
That would be nice, I agree: seems only smaller units support this, probably because of the long charge times?
@@todd.parker I've heard of ones that could take two 100w type C inputs for faster charging, also, often speed is not critical. So it's mostly manufacturers cutting costs.
Just like it is hard to find a device that would work as a decent powerbank with a standard Bosch/Makita/Ryobi battery. The ones in existence are trash, adverising 2a as "fast" charging, and don't even have QC much less PD. That's in the end of 2023, go figure.
Helpful things to know:
01) Price of each piece of equipment without being a backer
02) IP rating for how well it performs in wet & dirty conditions
03) Country of origin for each piece of equipment & the company
All good questions. I think they are still dialing in pricing on every accessory but you can kind of reverse engineer most of the retail prices from the packages. I’ll ask them if they have better info. I don’t think the electronics have an IP rating though the solar hub and panels might have a low rating to protect from splashes. I’m pretty sure these will be manufactured in China like everything else.
Feel free to reach out to their founder Aaron with questions or feedback: Aaron@veryeah.com
Price?
Check description for a link to the Kickstarter page with all the pricing
This is a neat idea and implementation, but my concern, as is with all these chinese brands with weird brand names, is longevity of the company. You buy these things and in 3-4 years the company is gone and some other goofy named brand comes along. Then your modular batteries are no longer available after you've invested in building some up and now you are stuck starting all over.
Where they blew it was not having a 120VAC charger module included in the unit. This is going to be a mess with one charger for each unit.
I agree the wall charging is probably the weakest part right now but they can improve that over time, I bet
240v & larger inverters...
I’ll pass that along. I agree that needed fur whole home backup but I think this is more of a competitor to 1-3kwh expandable units rather than whole home units
Needs the ins and out information on the display, this is a major no for me.
I understand that since we’re so used to seeing the power in/out. In use, it hasn’t really bugged me as much as I thought it would. It’s most just annoying when I’m running tests for the video and I need to know exactly what’s going on for data
3,000 full cycles? My NiMh batteries do that. These should be getting between 10,000-15,000 cycles on just bare knowledge available on current battery tech. I’m not saying don’t buy this, I’m saying there’s a reason it’s so low, and you need to understand it’s not common.
Every LFP power station is rated at around 3,000 cycles to 80% capacity
I guess you just have to do the math yourself, on paper that could be a turn off to some, that being said usually if they aren't willing to learn the math, they're going to choke up a million other excuses too. The math isn't that hard for this, I think. but no matter how many you add, does it max out to 2400 wh? hm. its definitely interesting.
The inverter is 2,400w but the battery capacity doesn’t have a limit if your willing to connect enough hubs.
The “bricks” aren’t anything like legos. There is zero thought to interlocking
Sure, the connectors aren’t integrated like that, I mostly meant it was modular, remixable, etc. to make what you want and change it over time. Would be cool if they actually stacked like Legos with internal connectors tho…
Has dust-sucking fans. Poor Thermal design. Toxic Batteries or LFP? How many Battery cycles?
It has very good thermals in my tests and is roughly the same as a Delta 2 Max from that perspective. Batteries are LFP rated at 3,000 cycles to 80% capacity
The “simple” display is a deal breaker. Also, too many bits and pieces.
This is absurdly over complicated. They said let’s take a simple single device solution and make it a 50 piece complex system. What a design disaster. 🤦♂️Everything is better when we stick to KISS principles.
It’s only complicated if you choose to scale it up but yeah, lots of bits and pieces. Price you pay for flexibility I suppose
What would be really cool is if there was a universal standard so I could upgrade a Bluetti or Jackery type system with other components
@@starrwulfe that would be amazing