Barry has a good point. He is scared that he'll miss out on everything, due to what he experienced when Nora first visited from the future. He wants to know his kids and be there for them. However, Iris is right, too. What's the point of having a future if it's already laid out, instead of doing everything you can out of your own mind, to make the best out of it. Gotta love the morality they put in this last season
@@SnowChild-wh7go Yeah, I was talking about the "first" Nora in Season 5. In her time line, Barry vanished during Crisis on Infinite Earths, therefore not being in her life. It's different with the other Nora and Bart, but Barry seems so obsessed in making sure than nothing really goes wrong and the future remains "as it should be".
Honestly but is he really living if he is living by a checklist of a version of himself that made those choices. Barry took away Iris choice to live in the moment and especially with how quickly the timeline could change Barry was wrong to do this knowing too much of one of future is dangerous and for me this is where Barry points fades it also doesn't help that Iris was just stuck in time hell with time sickness
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Barry was also using that checklist to force his boss to let him get a promotion. Barry did use the book as an excuse and Captain Kramer went like I don't know what the hell the book you wrote have anything to do with it. So not only was Barry trying to force Iris to go by the book, he even attempted to use that to his own boss. At the end, when Barry went according to free will, it is like erasing his record of arguing with his boss.
Well,both are right. Barry wants to keep track of everything,due to what happened with Iris & the negative forces…. On the other hand, Iris just wants to go with the flow & not know every single detail of what’ll happen in the future,I mean I’d be worried 🤷🏽♀️. Both make a good arguement.
Yeah though previous arguments have sounded like iris just complaining to barry for being nice this argument definitely an argument instead of berating barry
@Bridget Williams. There is more at play here in Iris's mind than just going with the flow. Iris doesn't want her life to be determined by a book. She wants to be in control of how it will turn out, and not be made to make decisions that she does not wish or end up regretting just so that the future turns out how it is supposed to. Yes there is risk, but by not using the book, it is hers to control (as much as humanly possible).
You want safety over freedom and living. It's not a new subject and American experiment has been this idea of freedom over safety and it looks like soon the experiment will end
@@rafikshaheed4271 I get it but it’s not like they can follow everything to perfection. They could compromise by using the book as a guide and letting the rest, which couldn’t possibly all be documented, be their choice.
@@mimifanet she's the number one reason why half the seasons are trash, that plus the subpar CGI. She's bland with zero personality like a blank piece of paper. It's not hate it's fact.
Not to disagree but joe and iris also have valid points and I’m glad they don’t just sound like they’re whining because barry is tying to do the right thing and actually sound like points
But at the same time, it’s a little boring to know EXACTLY how a future is gonna go. It doesn’t have any excitement. But I can understand Barry’s point as well.
Iris is right having to live every day by a book not being able to choose what you want do is no way to live even if that means they don't get the perfect future they still get the one they want
What makes this scene hit hard is that we can understand the others perspective. One hand, Barry's been through so much, losing Iris, and the things with Nora. But on the other hand, Iris doesn't want her future planned right in front of her and wants to make it herself. Great scene
Barry want's to do things by the book, quite literally! This whole notion of living a predetermined existence, really would lose any wonder or excitement about the future. That is why I'm kind of siding with Iris, about her abjection toward Barry's plan.
this episode was awesome! i loved the Barry Iris dynamic this episode and I really enjoyed the acting. And that Red Death reveal at the end of the episode was sick!
@@greengoody9560 What was cringe exactly? What you find cringe may be something to others. Nerds hate romance movies because it doesn't paint them as the love interest, hence why they shit on them. However, a lot of anime protagonists are weird nerds I find cringeworthy
How many times are we gonna through the same "Maybe Barry and Iris aren't meant to be together" struggle with the same "Yes, they are destined to be together" solution.
I understand where you are coming from but 1: that’s basically all relationships in a nutshell 2: this show was garbage so it just seemed like iris was arguing with Barry for no reason but this actually seems and feels like a struggle instead of just minutes to add to the episode
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Best father. Not father figure. Sick of people trying to steal Joe and label him as Barry's dad. He's Iris's father. Black girls can't have fathers now? USA better stay away form Africa
I'm siding with iris on this one but I understand that Barry is coming from a place of trauma. His wife dies almost every year and he wants to do everything right to make sure she stays Alive. I understand why he's overcorrecting.
Yeah. I really hope for big things for him after the Flash. It really sucks sometimes when actors/actresses don’t make as big as people would like to think that they would, after a really good show that they came from, ends.
@@Kayoss13212 to lift your hopes up further Danielle panabaker is directing this season I think so expect good things since every episode she directed were great
but the recent events of what happened to them, barry actions is justified. he just wants them to make sure their future is secure. on the other hand, iris is also correct. but she chose this life with barry and whatever barry chooses to do for the good of both of them, she has to live with it honestly. it’s not going to be normal with marrying a superhero lol
@@qkik6240 Barry truly isn't justified it came from a place of tramua but Iris just spent basically a whole season in time hell popping in and out of existence and appearing in different moments of time why in the world would she want to know so much of her own future the poor woman wants to relax be wine mom on her couch only to then be stuck in speedster's groundhogs day
@@theoutsiderjess1869 like i said, u can’t live a normal life with a speedster. it’s been 9seasons she should know by now that she can’t live a normal life with Barry💀. unless barry gives up his powers
This is why having mentors both female & male, are extremely important in peoples lives. They show & tell you things you don’t want or scared to hear, but need to.
If that was the case don't you think the VFX team would have at least added the aura effect around him to indicate it. Plus during that scene, Barry was running around the city non-stop till it was night-time with the book on his hand.
On a comic sheet it's understandable not to use it on every panel, it will totally color clash with the background and distort everything but this is on screen. The tech us there. We've come along way interms of film production. It shouldn't be a problem.
@@user4ccount just cause it shouldn’t doesn’t mean they should they don’t have to make it visible if you had a infinite clip in a gun in a game would you hold the trigger the whole time no you wouldn’t so why should they have to show the aura
If he plays it safe he gets a happy ending That isn't childish He loves Iris, Nora and Bart. By deviating from what he knows is going to work he'll never have to worry about losing them. He doesn't understand why Iris doesn't want whats more likely than not going to be best for their family
Abrakadabra was right about Barry being obsess with the future and Savitar was right about ''the more you time travel the less the rules apply'' or something like that
I remember when thawne said Barry becomes obsessed with the future, which means that it might be possible that barry will go to the future where thawne is and that will be moment he steals "everything" from him.
I am on Iris side on this one, she has a few good points saying that she dosen’t want to rush anything and, just live in the moment, i think i can relate to this episode a lot because of my future not written or told yet, i don’t know what’s gonna happen and Iris i think wants to make her own future and hers only and that is totally under stable. see i always thought planning and people making decision for me is’t the way that i want to spend my life or my future, i want to make my own future and no one can make the choices for me. I want live by my own rules and no else, so i get where iris is coming from. Barry is just forcing her and planning their future but he never asked what she wanted in return and that’s a very good point.
Consistent with flash lore even knowing about the future could change it. That’s something that’s been established in the show already so why does Barr think that him knowing the future has secured it instead of having it replaced by another future??????
I love this episode, because Barry's future book was something similar to what I tried to do. I had a note book and wrote down a list of mistakes that I had made in my past, when I made them, how I made them, and what I can do to avoid them. I did that because I wanted to believe that I could go back in time and give it to my younger self so all of my mistakes can be avoided, then I would have a better past than I had before.
I've been watching this show since 2014 ... Still everything feels relevant except Cecile & Allegra ... Both of them are outplaced characters shoved into with main characters being thrusted into seem important which they are not ... Their presence in important scenes just casually outweighs the necessity of that scene and destroys everything good about it .. I mean I don't have anything against those two actresses but I just don't know if they actually suit in with the team as important members ... I mean what connection does Cecile has with Barry that she can direct him onwards ??? I just watch this show because of the love for its first 3 seasons and respecting the OG 4 characters .... Nothing else .. just my thoughts
@@williampearson6299 Just like Barry also told Captain Kramer about it and act entitled for the promotion. Everything about that behavior of his obsession made him eventually realize he must change and not go by the book. I mean when he told his boss about the book, his boss went like I have no idea what you are talking about. When Barry was obsessed with the book, he even acted entitled for the promotion around his boss. That book, not only effected the way how he behaves around his wife. It also effected the way he went to work.
We've also seen what happens when Barry secretly tries to control/change his and Iris's future against her will (lying about why he was proposing, waiting until Iris's left the room so that he could drag and dump Nora back in 2049, an action that literally led right to her death). Very glad it never even crossed his mind to hide this time notebook from her. It shows he's FINALLY learning from his past mistakes
@@HelloGudbye93 It's like Barry never learns that Iris wants to be involved in decisions that affects their relationship I'm still mad about the Nora one in the end I was glad when Iris went to the future to see her despite how it ended
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Same. It only took nine years, but it seems to finally be getting through his very thick skull that his wife has a right to decide and be involved in the decisions that affect their marriage
That is what Barry was supposed to do around his boss Captain Kramer. I mean Barry even brought up the book. Captain Kramer only responds like I have no idea what you are talking about. Not only did Barry attempt to force his wife to go by the book, he even used that book in an attempt to force his boss to let him get a promotion. Barry said to Captain Kramer he is supposed to get a promotion based on the book. So Barry also was not even supposed to talk about what his book say to both his wife Iris and his boss Captain Kramer. So yes, Barry can make the plan and not talk about it.
@@gabrielacosta9470 Well, now the Executives know that people are twice as critical with minority actresses, they are now funding twice as much for their storylines and VFX. I noticed this with Starfire and Blackfire in S3. They did the most with their VFX's while Teagan Croft's Raven and Beast were not their best.
Barry the book say we have pizza hut tonight and go on a date, iris Well I want mcdonalds. Barry fine, at the mcdonalds window. She wantss to order, the guy behind the mirror: helloo iris run barry run, its thawne who would have slipped on a mcflurry and died but no iris couldnt have pizzahut
0:40 what moment? You're living in a time loop, the moment literally means nothing because nothing will change, grow, and move forward. "Living in the moment" is enjoying the each moment as they come and not worrying about the past or future because only the now can be changed. Barry may or may not be wrong, I don't think he is, but at least he wants to move forward and build a future for them. But Iris wants to stay in her little safe space bubble, that's not living in the moment, that's not even running away (because at least you're still going somewhere when you run away), she's HIDING
OMG, it's 2024 next year. They made it a plot that he disappears in 2024 in Season 1 because that's when shows would end... on their 10th season. Except we had Covid so S9 due to delay.
And what's odd In siding her it been years she said something that didn't suit u well cos the writer ask her to said that! You all want to hold her forever 😂 cry babies
As someone who was burn, betrayed, loss very important people to me and even lost myself in the process... Barry is making a lot of fucking sense for the greater good... Sadly Joe also makes alot of sense by saying that sure you were happy but what about iris? (srsly idk why ppl hate iris so much she's a pain in the ass but meh it don't bother me XD)
@@haddy106 Iris literally grew up with him she understands him but sometimes he needs tough love and not coddling especially when he makes dumbass decisions like this he keeps making the same mistake if Cisco was here he would call him out on his bullshit
Iris point makes more sense the future isn't set in stone in fact its more dangerous knowing about your future because what happens when it doesn't happen especially with Barry being the flash he should know better that the future is constantly changing look at Crisis it literally sped up in time and he didn't disappear. Barry's point became moot in the face of logic it also doesn't help that he did all this without consulting his wife and asking her what she wants to do with her life she doesn't want to told how her life plays out she wants to live it
@@TsumuSmile I’m not being an Iris hater. She has a point. “Living in the moment” is decent advice & should be used in one’s life. But it is more detrimental & harmful than helpful & good. Idk why you think I’m an “Iris hater” when all I did was talk about their points/arguments not them as characters.
Imagine if this flash series extend to 15 season. Gonna follow the script from the comics, means we gonna have to watch more scenes about Abra kadabra and other new villains and even Thawne comeback again. 😁
Thanks, Joe, for talking some sense into Barry ! I know where he comes from with wanting to know the future but that's not how life should work. And nobody should know their own future. Jay Garrick told him that back in S3, but I guess Barry just forgot. I'm with Iris on this one. I wouldn't want to know everything that will happen to me either. And I'm surely not making decisions based on some checklist from the future.
There is one thing I don't understand. In season 1 Barry almost burned up his clothing while running. Now he's almost 10 times faster and he's clothing is fine?
the book on the other hand idk. An argument can be made that he is in such control of his powers that all the miniscule things that come with being the flash are dealt by his subconscious.
Yall flash fans are seriously sick I swear.. you hate that iris right so yall can do what? evil fandom well shame on you she's right and she won so stay press! Everything in life must not be one person on the time barry lose so cry in pain yall loose cos despite yall wanted her dead she stay yall shameless fandom stay choke!
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Barry has a good point. He is scared that he'll miss out on everything, due to what he experienced when Nora first visited from the future. He wants to know his kids and be there for them. However, Iris is right, too. What's the point of having a future if it's already laid out, instead of doing everything you can out of your own mind, to make the best out of it. Gotta love the morality they put in this last season
Didn’t seem like to me that Barry wasn’t in Bart and Nora’s lives.
@@SnowChild-wh7go Yeah, I was talking about the "first" Nora in Season 5. In her time line, Barry vanished during Crisis on Infinite Earths, therefore not being in her life. It's different with the other Nora and Bart, but Barry seems so obsessed in making sure than nothing really goes wrong and the future remains "as it should be".
AFINGMEN to that. 🙏🙏
Honestly but is he really living if he is living by a checklist of a version of himself that made those choices. Barry took away Iris choice to live in the moment and especially with how quickly the timeline could change Barry was wrong to do this knowing too much of one of future is dangerous and for me this is where Barry points fades it also doesn't help that Iris was just stuck in time hell with time sickness
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Barry was also using that checklist to force his boss to let him get a promotion. Barry did use the book as an excuse and Captain Kramer went like I don't know what the hell the book you wrote have anything to do with it. So not only was Barry trying to force Iris to go by the book, he even attempted to use that to his own boss. At the end, when Barry went according to free will, it is like erasing his record of arguing with his boss.
Well,both are right. Barry wants to keep track of everything,due to what happened with Iris & the negative forces…. On the other hand, Iris just wants to go with the flow & not know every single detail of what’ll happen in the future,I mean I’d be worried 🤷🏽♀️. Both make a good arguement.
Yeah though previous arguments have sounded like iris just complaining to barry for being nice this argument definitely an argument instead of berating barry
Yeah I agree Its best to chose your future instead of knowing what is gonna happen
@Bridget Williams. There is more at play here in Iris's mind than just going with the flow. Iris doesn't want her life to be determined by a book. She wants to be in control of how it will turn out, and not be made to make decisions that she does not wish or end up regretting just so that the future turns out how it is supposed to. Yes there is risk, but by not using the book, it is hers to control (as much as humanly possible).
You want safety over freedom and living. It's not a new subject and American experiment has been this idea of freedom over safety and it looks like soon the experiment will end
@@rafikshaheed4271 I get it but it’s not like they can follow everything to perfection.
They could compromise by using the book as a guide and letting the rest, which couldn’t possibly all be documented, be their choice.
He didn’t give up the future. He learn to live it freely
😂finally grown up...
If he did give up, means that he and Abra kadabra never been enemies for centuries.
Candice and Grant are both so good at these scenes. I hope they thrive after the show ends cause there's a lot of talent here to be shared.
Candice definitely isn't a good actress 😂
@@F0zzybe3ar It's been 8 years and you haters are still going on about her even though critics frequently compliment her acting. Move on.
Show got cancelled kid
@@YoLoswagLoolThey're in their last season so yeah I know that...
@@mimifanet she's the number one reason why half the seasons are trash, that plus the subpar CGI. She's bland with zero personality like a blank piece of paper. It's not hate it's fact.
You do have a future, but sometimes you just can't let the future have you.
Words to live by 👍
@@norahoghroro1704
Indeed.
"The future is whatever you make of it so make it a good one."
-Christopher Lloyd
"We will Doc"
Great scott now I have to go rewatch Back to the Future
Lowkey agree with Barry here. After all that happen to him kinda makes sense for him to do that
Not to disagree but joe and iris also have valid points and I’m glad they don’t just sound like they’re whining because barry is tying to do the right thing and actually sound like points
Iris hater right? Iris is right barry doesn’t know how those steps happen exactly he is being jumpy i understand he is scared but he takes it to far
@@blackoutboi3288 nah i don’t hate iris lmao , but I just agree with Barry on this conversation
But at the same time, it’s a little boring to know EXACTLY how a future is gonna go. It doesn’t have any excitement. But I can understand Barry’s point as well.
Barry in right
Iris is right having to live every day by a book not being able to choose what you want do is no way to live even if that means they don't get the perfect future they still get the one they want
@bladererx5 lmao no valid points
What makes this scene hit hard is that we can understand the others perspective. One hand, Barry's been through so much, losing Iris, and the things with Nora. But on the other hand, Iris doesn't want her future planned right in front of her and wants to make it herself. Great scene
Barry want's to do things by the book, quite literally! This whole notion of living a predetermined existence, really would lose any wonder or excitement about the future. That is why I'm kind of siding with Iris, about her abjection toward Barry's plan.
Dude this is the first time in a while that iris making an argument actually makes sense
Yall dumb safest path is always best path lol
Also imagine not being in guranteed safe happy path iris needs stop being a bitch 🤣👌🧢 she not loyal
What are the other three argument?
Agreed.
this episode was awesome! i loved the Barry Iris dynamic this episode and I really enjoyed the acting. And that Red Death reveal at the end of the episode was sick!
This is the first episode of the flash I’ve watched on tv in a while and shit was cringe and annoying glad you loved it.
@@greengoody9560 thanks man. may i ask what you found cringe about this episode? i’m curious to hear your thoughts
@@greengoody9560 What was cringe exactly? What you find cringe may be something to others. Nerds hate romance movies because it doesn't paint them as the love interest, hence why they shit on them. However, a lot of anime protagonists are weird nerds I find cringeworthy
@@williampearson6299 Chester and Elegra was cringe. Barry was cringe.
@@greengoody9560 Fair enough, it's your opinion, but you can't tell me the ending didn't get you hyped.
This is why joe is the dad. He knows his daughter
How many times are we gonna through the same "Maybe Barry and Iris aren't meant to be together" struggle with the same "Yes, they are destined to be together" solution.
I understand where you are coming from but 1: that’s basically all relationships in a nutshell 2: this show was garbage so it just seemed like iris was arguing with Barry for no reason but this actually seems and feels like a struggle instead of just minutes to add to the episode
Barry should been with Caitlyn
@@ericx6969 what’s funny is they’re going for comic accuracy yet the actor for Caitlyn is more accurate to Iris than Iris in the show
@@gabrielacosta9470 in real life other than the show grant and Catiline are actually together
@@Deerfield5 No. Grant Gustin is with personal trainer LA Thoma and Danielle Panabaker is married to someone else.
Joe 😭😭. He always has the right words to say. Best character and father figure.
Kinda ruined him last season but you're correct
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Best father. Not father figure. Sick of people trying to steal Joe and label him as Barry's dad. He's Iris's father. Black girls can't have fathers now? USA better stay away form Africa
Not always letting twhane live was dumb
1:32 Amazing Shots
I love the scene transition that they never did before
I'm siding with iris on this one but I understand that Barry is coming from a place of trauma. His wife dies almost every year and he wants to do everything right to make sure she stays Alive. I understand why he's overcorrecting.
W acting. Grant steals the show.
Yeah. I really hope for big things for him after the Flash. It really sucks sometimes when actors/actresses don’t make as big as people would like to think that they would, after a really good show that they came from, ends.
@@Kayoss13212 to lift your hopes up further Danielle panabaker is directing this season I think so expect good things since every episode she directed were great
Well he should steal it since he does play the name of the show 😏
@@gabrielacosta9470 Nah. The Godspeed episode that she directed on S5 was AWFUL.
@@Luiz.325 well I don’t think 1 bad episode should discourage you when other episodes she directed were good
ngl I agree with Iris 😂 cuz you want to be surprised seeing ur kids first steps or getting a new house. Knowing its gonna happen ruins it
but the recent events of what happened to them, barry actions is justified. he just wants them to make sure their future is secure. on the other hand, iris is also correct. but she chose this life with barry and whatever barry chooses to do for the good of both of them, she has to live with it honestly. it’s not going to be normal with marrying a superhero lol
@@qkik6240 Barry truly isn't justified it came from a place of tramua but Iris just spent basically a whole season in time hell popping in and out of existence and appearing in different moments of time why in the world would she want to know so much of her own future the poor woman wants to relax be wine mom on her couch only to then be stuck in speedster's groundhogs day
@@theoutsiderjess1869 like i said, u can’t live a normal life with a speedster. it’s been 9seasons she should know by now that she can’t live a normal life with Barry💀. unless barry gives up his powers
This is why having mentors both female & male, are extremely important in peoples lives. They show & tell you things you don’t want or scared to hear, but need to.
Grants acting is so good
Candice is also amazing here. She made good points without being annoying.
So as candice she did great too she's good! She brought good point Yall just bais! Give credit to both actors! Yea grant is great so as candice!!
was shocked at how competent this episode was, one of the best the flash has had in a while
Nah man Barry running without his suit looks goofy as hell 💀
The new lightning behind him doesn't help it looks like squiggles
The new lightning trail behind barry when he's running looks cool
looks the same to me ^^
I like the old one
@@kevinwaag9976 the trail when Barry is running without the suit looks cool
I also like it but I don't really like the way that Barry runs. I liked it when it was like, sped up or whatever.
You clearly havent seen season 1-3
SO KADABRA WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID THAT BARRY WOULD BE OBSERSE WITH THE FUTURE VERY SOON
Jay did warn Barry that speedsters are not suppose to know about their future since season 3
@@arturovillegas1128 exactly it feels like Barry makes the same mistake almost every season brother has a time obsession
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I ask myself this question what would Barry's life could have been like if he never learned or discover time traveling
@@arturovillegas1128 OK, but some things, like the Godspeed incident that led Nora and Bart in from the future, were not his fault.
imagine living by a book
Barry has a really good point it was said he would miss out his children childhood and their whole life he wants to be there for his kids
I hate the fact Cecil always automatically reads everyone’s mind
Reverse flash needs a dirty old school fist beating on repeat.
I agree with Iris
I disagree with Barry bro this man has had way too much character development to still be doing stuff like this
Imagine following this show like it isn't the biggest fucking meme to ever exist
Barry thought iris would always agree with him
3:42 since I’m going off to college soon, this speech here really hit hard
Hope when you go to college, hope you will pick a day time class so that way, you may have time to watch this tv show Flash.
That book should be up in flames running at that speed.
speed force aura
If that was the case don't you think the VFX team would have at least added the aura effect around him to indicate it. Plus during that scene, Barry was running around the city non-stop till it was night-time with the book on his hand.
@@user4ccount speed force aura is invisible even in comics so no they wouldn’t do it
On a comic sheet it's understandable not to use it on every panel, it will totally color clash with the background and distort everything but this is on screen. The tech us there. We've come along way interms of film production. It shouldn't be a problem.
@@user4ccount just cause it shouldn’t doesn’t mean they should they don’t have to make it visible if you had a infinite clip in a gun in a game would you hold the trigger the whole time no you wouldn’t so why should they have to show the aura
“Flash, everything you have… will be mine”. If you know, you know lol
It was me Barry
"The future is not something you can back out and put into a book"
Tell that to Thawn
Barry has gone through this countless times when will he learn like he is just so childish. The forces did something to his memories
If he plays it safe he gets a happy ending
That isn't childish
He loves Iris, Nora and Bart. By deviating from what he knows is going to work he'll never have to worry about losing them. He doesn't understand why Iris doesn't want whats more likely than not going to be best for their family
I like how true the words of Savitar and Abracadabra were
I was thinking the same thing
sappy motivational speech
Abrakadabra was right about Barry being obsess with the future and Savitar was right about ''the more you time travel the less the rules apply'' or something like that
Remember - the Flash can transmit the speed force physically through anyone or anything g
This makes no sense. He has a photographic memory. Plus, he recorded it all, he still knows a lot of it.
After all that happen through season 1-8, i dont even know how barry keep his sanity in place
I remember when thawne said Barry becomes obsessed with the future, which means that it might be possible that barry will go to the future where thawne is and that will be moment he steals "everything" from him.
Ofc we must have that Barry and Iris fight
Its not called a cw drama show for nothin
tbh i always hate it when that happens but imo this episode is great
man acting like couples don't agrue
@@JACQUEZ23 yh but the amount they argue and the heatedness they get to ain’t healthy especially when she starts blaming everything on barry
@@lewisbray8538 agreed, it’s always against him.
i understand barrys reasoning behind this book but i feel like he should know by now that knowing his future can change it
Jay Garrick warned him about that back in season 3
I am on Iris side on this one, she has a few good points saying that she dosen’t want to rush anything and, just live in the moment, i think i can relate to this episode a lot because of my future not written or told yet, i don’t know what’s gonna happen and Iris i think wants to make her own future and hers only and that is totally under stable. see i always thought planning and people making decision for me is’t the way that i want to spend my life or my future, i want to make my own future and no one can make the choices for me. I want live by my own rules and no else, so i get where iris is coming from.
Barry is just forcing her and planning their future but he never asked what she wanted in return and that’s a very good point.
Consistent with flash lore even knowing about the future could change it. That’s something that’s been established in the show already so why does Barr think that him knowing the future has secured it instead of having it replaced by another future??????
His judgement is clouded by the fear of losing Iris
I would not be surprised if during the argument Iris calls Barry Savitar
Instead of “Lucky guess” for some reason I heard “fuck you guys”
I love this episode, because Barry's future book was something similar to what I tried to do. I had a note book and wrote down a list of mistakes that I had made in my past, when I made them, how I made them, and what I can do to avoid them. I did that because I wanted to believe that I could go back in time and give it to my younger self so all of my mistakes can be avoided, then I would have a better past than I had before.
On season 7 abracadabra said Barry will be absesed with the future soon and now I can see it happening.
I've been watching this show since 2014 ... Still everything feels relevant except Cecile & Allegra ... Both of them are outplaced characters shoved into with main characters being thrusted into seem important which they are not ... Their presence in important scenes just casually outweighs the necessity of that scene and destroys everything good about it .. I mean I don't have anything against those two actresses but I just don't know if they actually suit in with the team as important members ... I mean what connection does Cecile has with Barry that she can direct him onwards ??? I just watch this show because of the love for its first 3 seasons and respecting the OG 4 characters .... Nothing else .. just my thoughts
I understand why they brought in Cecile. To be a proxy to Candace/ Iris.
Iris is right here, it’s best to choose your future
He's like a child. Why did he need to tell her everything?
@@williampearson6299 because he felt like that if he didn’t tell her to follow the book they wouldn’t get the happy ending they wanted
@@williampearson6299 Just like Barry also told Captain Kramer about it and act entitled for the promotion. Everything about that behavior of his obsession made him eventually realize he must change and not go by the book. I mean when he told his boss about the book, his boss went like I have no idea what you are talking about. When Barry was obsessed with the book, he even acted entitled for the promotion around his boss. That book, not only effected the way how he behaves around his wife. It also effected the way he went to work.
They both have reasons for this neither right or wrong both equal and have reasons
He could just agree to not talk about it. And let Iris think she is choosing. We all have seen what happens they try to change things.
We've also seen what happens when Barry secretly tries to control/change his and Iris's future against her will (lying about why he was proposing, waiting until Iris's left the room so that he could drag and dump Nora back in 2049, an action that literally led right to her death). Very glad it never even crossed his mind to hide this time notebook from her. It shows he's FINALLY learning from his past mistakes
@@HelloGudbye93 Good point maybe he should give the book to Joe. And wipe his mind. That way Joe can keep an eye on things. Barry just can't resist.
@@HelloGudbye93 It's like Barry never learns that Iris wants to be involved in decisions that affects their relationship I'm still mad about the Nora one in the end I was glad when Iris went to the future to see her despite how it ended
@@theoutsiderjess1869 Same. It only took nine years, but it seems to finally be getting through his very thick skull that his wife has a right to decide and be involved in the decisions that affect their marriage
That is what Barry was supposed to do around his boss Captain Kramer. I mean Barry even brought up the book. Captain Kramer only responds like I have no idea what you are talking about. Not only did Barry attempt to force his wife to go by the book, he even used that book in an attempt to force his boss to let him get a promotion. Barry said to Captain Kramer he is supposed to get a promotion based on the book. So Barry also was not even supposed to talk about what his book say to both his wife Iris and his boss Captain Kramer. So yes, Barry can make the plan and not talk about it.
Brooo this new ep pretty valid
Are you watching it
@@SullyFnn no clips
They did the episode and they did it right and they didn’t fuck it up and it works it just works
dude it’s so good i can’t lie. it’s one of the best premieres we’ve gotten in recent seasons
@@gabrielacosta9470 Well, now the Executives know that people are twice as critical with minority actresses, they are now funding twice as much for their storylines and VFX. I noticed this with Starfire and Blackfire in S3. They did the most with their VFX's while Teagan Croft's Raven and Beast were not their best.
The Barry in my Timeline is not this stupid! How many times do I have to say this: DONT MESS WITH THE TIMELINE! 😮💨
The only thing that I don’t like about Cecile is she just reads peoples minds without there consent
She’s not reading people's minds but their emotions and feelings.
@@Arie2234 whatever she was doing it was rlly annoying cuz she was doing it without their consent
@@MALECFOREVEA yeah you’re right
She forgot barry was in the speedforce
He hasn't been in the speed force in a while
something i noticed now: in first episode of the series the problem was that running with normal clothes, because if he did it they've burned
Barry the book say we have pizza hut tonight and go on a date, iris Well I want mcdonalds. Barry fine, at the mcdonalds window. She wantss to order, the guy behind the mirror: helloo iris run barry run, its thawne who would have slipped on a mcflurry and died but no iris couldnt have pizzahut
I can't believe I actually agree with Iris here, like what are the odds😂 Barry was definitely in the wrong here
Why pit them against each other? Sometimes couples fight over perspective but they resolved it together. That's the lesson
Over and over again. Lol my favorite scene
You have to love Joe's knowledge.
0:40 what moment? You're living in a time loop, the moment literally means nothing because nothing will change, grow, and move forward. "Living in the moment" is enjoying the each moment as they come and not worrying about the past or future because only the now can be changed. Barry may or may not be wrong, I don't think he is, but at least he wants to move forward and build a future for them. But Iris wants to stay in her little safe space bubble, that's not living in the moment, that's not even running away (because at least you're still going somewhere when you run away), she's HIDING
We want Nora West-Allen!
The og right
She's probably gonna be born in the season's finale
Or we can say : "start grinding"
I should get back into this series
Abraham kadabra told him he would be obsessed with the future at some point in the near future.
Damn Abra* not Abraham lol
I miss 2024 barry
OMG, it's 2024 next year. They made it a plot that he disappears in 2024 in Season 1 because that's when shows would end... on their 10th season. Except we had Covid so S9 due to delay.
Girll i would have been glad to know how somethings play out yes cause this guessing thing hard
I have a feeling iris will be cool this season
Can’t believe I’m saying this but I agree with Iris.
And what's odd In siding her it been years she said something that didn't suit u well cos the writer ask her to said that! You all want to hold her forever 😂 cry babies
@@chinenyeogazie6061 Huh?
I can not be the only one who thought he said “f-k you guys” at 1:55
As someone who was burn, betrayed, loss very important people to me and even lost myself in the process... Barry is making a lot of fucking sense for the greater good... Sadly Joe also makes alot of sense by saying that sure you were happy but what about iris? (srsly idk why ppl hate iris so much she's a pain in the ass but meh it don't bother me XD)
Barry was with people who were better for him and understood that he knows loss better than most
@@haddy106 one more reason to plan ahead an prevent it from happening?
@@haddy106 Iris literally grew up with him she understands him but sometimes he needs tough love and not coddling especially when he makes dumbass decisions like this he keeps making the same mistake if Cisco was here he would call him out on his bullshit
RED DEATHHH IS HEREEEE
Grant is a fantastic actor
They are talking to someone who can literally change past and future if he desires...
Why do they still show Barry as a helpless kid
Barry has much more of a valid point that Iris & I’m sick of people pretending that Iris has an equal point to him
Iris point makes more sense the future isn't set in stone in fact its more dangerous knowing about your future because what happens when it doesn't happen especially with Barry being the flash he should know better that the future is constantly changing look at Crisis it literally sped up in time and he didn't disappear. Barry's point became moot in the face of logic it also doesn't help that he did all this without consulting his wife and asking her what she wants to do with her life she doesn't want to told how her life plays out she wants to live it
Because she has a point which you completely miss out for being a iris hater.
@@TsumuSmile I’m not being an Iris hater.
She has a point. “Living in the moment” is decent advice & should be used in one’s life. But it is more detrimental & harmful than helpful & good.
Idk why you think I’m an “Iris hater” when all I did was talk about their points/arguments not them as characters.
@@sagelg that's a iris hater would say.
@@TsumuSmile an “Iris hater” would say she has valid points & that she is a decently written character?
I'm still hoping tom Cavanagh's return ☹️
He hasn't returned yet. But Matt Letscher has.
Eagerly waiting for the new season 😁
It’s the last one
@@adombaobeng3326 no really
Imagine if this flash series extend to 15 season. Gonna follow the script from the comics, means we gonna have to watch more scenes about Abra kadabra and other new villains and even Thawne comeback again. 😁
@@kormankongther8609 How many Flash villains are there?
Thanks, Joe, for talking some sense into Barry ! I know where he comes from with wanting to know the future but that's not how life should work. And nobody should know their own future. Jay Garrick told him that back in S3, but I guess Barry just forgot.
I'm with Iris on this one. I wouldn't want to know everything that will happen to me either. And I'm surely not making decisions based on some checklist from the future.
Where did u watch it
"You don't know that..."
Yeah, like his life hasn't been full of...what do you call it? Tragedy? Yeah, TRAGEDY!
There is one thing I don't understand. In season 1 Barry almost burned up his clothing while running. Now he's almost 10 times faster and he's clothing is fine?
Getting a better hold of your powers would do that for you
in the 9 years that hes been the flash im pretty sure all his clothes are power proof
the book on the other hand idk. An argument can be made that he is in such control of his powers that all the miniscule things that come with being the flash are dealt by his subconscious.
After like episode 4/5 yeah
His connection to the speed force has increased to the point where he can give people around him so ofc his clothes no longer burn up
I feel for Barry cause every season he is expected to die
I'm confused the episode was supposed to come out today now its saying tomorrow which one is it
It comes out on the cw app tomorrow
Where can I watch this ? Is there any website. I am from Europe
Wait for it to air on Sky
I'm worried that what I'll be happening in future .....
give em everything they say they want and they resent you for it .....
3:43 Destiny of the Endless would disagree.
Barry did shut iris lolll
I hate that Iris is right. It makes me SO mad.
This hate of iris need to stop it getting out of hand jeez you sound pathetic!
Yall flash fans are seriously sick I swear.. you hate that iris right so yall can do what? evil fandom well shame on you she's right and she won so stay press! Everything in life must not be one person on the time barry lose so cry in pain yall loose cos despite yall wanted her dead she stay yall shameless fandom stay choke!
Epic.
Pls is this out yet and how many episodes
if you see the clips of course it's out, and it's the First episode for now. This season Will have 13 episodes
How is speaking faxx.
idk man, barry could've written down others thoughts on the book too
Barry Allen has the whining of a lil girl in the shape of a young man
So basically Barry's gonna Butterfly Effect them? As a scientist he should know better. Fear cannot rule your life.
So Barry did attempt to butterfly effect his marriage and his boss at work.
Thank you! Exactly the point Iris is making.