@@WreckerQD Realistically we need the interaction of Auto cannon changed. A direct hit should not bounce, same goes for the Patriot's rockets not stripping armor like they used to (plus the rockets are off center). Hopefully they decided to revisit how exactly these things work in the future.
@@vlanson6529 The rockets should be rework indeed but people need to understand the autocannon has medium armor penetration just like the AMR and the laser cannon, only things like EAT and Recoiless can pen bile titan armor since they have heavy armor penetration
The projectile efficiency when aiming at Bile Titans needs to be changed. It’s not just the mech, it’s every other anti tank weapon aiming at the goddamn titans.
Why? They're currently the largest enemy in the game. They're *supposed* to be hard to kill. This game isn't supposed to be easy. That's why a full team gets 18 respawns.
@@crosshairs007 plenty are designed for heavy enemies. But none of them are supposed to be one shot weapons. Because that would mean there's no challenge. Hell, difficulty 7 is *Literally* called "suicide mission". That's not intended as hyperbaly, it's letting the players know what they're in for. I agree, we will need heavier weapons eventually, but like all wars, we're fighting an arms race and fighting against the economy, logistics and research. Yes, it's a game. Yes they can just program us better guns no problem. But we're supposed to think in universe. And just like irl, guns ship a bit janky the first iteration. That's why we have multiple versions of the m16 and m4. And why were just now developing an infantry weapon to deal with body armor. And that will have multiple versions. Put yourself in the mind if an in universe helldiver, as opposed to a gamer in your chair, and you'll have a much better time.
@@onerimeuse buddy, if they're gonna spawn the damn bile titan like it's some sort of common enemy on higher difficulty then we at least need a weapon that can take them out quickly despite having limited use, a wider variety at that. 500 kg bombs is hard to use considering how fast bile titans are, so the only 2 strategems that can reliably kill them are orbital laser and orbital railgun. And this creates a meta situation that so many people say we should avoid.
@@robbieaulia6462 I can't argue with that. But also, again, anything above suicide mission is more.... Suicidey... On difficulty 6 it's not as bad. Buuuuuuuuut, I would love to see some more viable and various statagems. Hopefully this alleged balance patch will make all the crying stop for a while so that AH can get back to making new stuff instead of tweaking everything they've already put into the game for the fifth time, even though most everything works well enough with a good team and if you use tactics and equipment appropriate for the mission and enemies you're fighting. The problem there is everyone thinks they should be able to stand in the open and spray and pray every single patrol they come across, when the game works waaaaaay better when you treat situations tactically, aim shots appropriately, time statagem use, understand, like, actually understand how different weapons work on different things, fill gaps in squad capabilites with other thing, etc, etc etc. Everyone wants this game to be like a cod campaign, (bullet sponges with headshot aim assist) , when it's *supposed to be* more like a metal gear campaign. *shrug*
a modder had spawned in my lobby early before this thing ever came out. when i first used it was GOOD, it took like 8 shots to kill a bile titan and was WAY better pre release.
Found this on Reddit: The stats of the exo suit clearly reflects deliberate underperformance and sabotage, despite they obviously have the capacity to optimize it by giving it the stats of the turret AC or the handheld version. This strategy aims to purposefully generate poor and negative feedback in the community so that the devs can leverage our responses in the upcoming patch to introduce a buffed and improved version of the exo suit. Why take the detour though? Because this effectively creates the illusion of their team's responsiveness and attentiveness to playerbase concerns. This is how they appeal to our emotion and fake compliance. Very clever way to save to save their game by manipulating us into thinking we are getting AAA customer support.
I just tested the new mech. Its cool but it's meh at best. I used 3 of them in one mission and all of them run out of ammo pretty quick. The time to kill is horrendous even on chargers...
I mean, autocannon kinda sucks on chargers. It's clear each arm has the strength of a single autocannon, despite looking like it shoots two. And that's less powerful than an AC sentry.
@@LimakPan The autocannon turret can 3 tap a charger, and that thing only has 1 gun. The mech has 4 god damn autocannons, why is it not doing 4 times as much damage? It's laughably weak for its cool down and usage limit, you're better off using anything unless it is buffed in the coming balance patch.
Guys it has 60 durable damage compared to the 300 on the AC turret! And the handheld AC has higher durable damage than the mechs! I think the handheld has 260 durable damage, honestly it's so bad.
Takes almost an entire arm's magazine to take down just a single Bile Titan or Charger, and yet there can be upwards of 15 to 20 Bile Titans alone in higher difficulty missions. Are the Emancipator's canons the same as Autocannon Sentries? Autocannon Sentries seem more powerful, I'm not sure.
Chargers only take 8 shots to kill if you hit them in the leg. Its weak against biles sure but is that really a bad thing when you can destroy every other enemy? Also wouldn't that mean the bile titan spawn rate is the issue and not the mech? I play on helldive only against bugs and I had no issue getting plenty of use out of it. Its not meta but its still fun if you actually take time to learn how to use it. Honestly all it needs is an ammo buff.
true this, balancing doesn’t mean that you have to make things dogshit, it just means that you have to make sure it’s not gonna carry an entire mission
It only struggles with Bile titans and still 35 shots them when you have 150 rounds. It 8 shots chargers if you aim for the legs. Its not bad. Only thing it needs is an ammo buff same with the other mech. Its perfectly fine and fun to use if you actually have a team that works together. This is coming from someone who only plays helldive.
Autocannons are not built for bugs, but that’s mostly because bugs just need their own weapons if you don’t wanna take a decade to kill a charger or titan
It just needs more durable damage to kill big enemies like bile titans, factory striders, and tanks. The autocannon mech does 30 durable damage (Which is the damage to bile titans) while the autocannon sentry does 300 durable damage. The devs need to stop doing hard drugs while balancing the game
Can use a Quasar shot or an EATs shot to the bile titans face first to soften it up a little. Softens the pain at least a little until the buff the mech 😅
All those people down here saying 'oh you shouldn't use it on chargers/ titans' 'its not underperforming' need to shut the fuck up. The mechs have the longest cooldown and only 2 calls, why should it not be OP? If I wanted something that labours to kill a single charger or fail to kill a titan I'd just pick the autocannon, because that's about as much this shit is worth right now. 500kg is superior, orbital rail is superior, orbital lazer is superior, every heavy ordinance is better at dealing with heavies than the mechs, then what fucking role are the mechs taking? Mowing down small bugs every 600 seconds?
It is OP for utterly annihilating an entire patrol which could’ve taken 5 minutes to fight them out but is done in one minute after you hold both triggers and kill them all. Also, this thing is great against the bots, still underpowered though but it’s not useless.
@@phillipjfry8497 That is not the case with Automatons on Level 7. This might be a surprise but you already have the Patriot for the bugs, you do not need the emancipator catered towards you aswell. What do I mean by a patrol? I mean a couple hulks, 30 devastators, countless, mostly rockets and heavies, countless infantry, aswell as a couple tanks. This is just level 7 on the bot front.
@luigimrlgaming9484 it would be a surprise to me, yes, because YOU didn't refer to which race of patrol because patrol could mean either, that's why i said BREECH not DROP SHIP. So when it comes to what i was referring to, i am correct. Now, if we want to not understand or remember what we wrote not too long ago PATROL could mean either race and since I'm not categorizing what part you enjoy to play either front it's still the same stratagem called emp strike. 75 secs and does the job. I don't know how it takes you 5 mins on said patrols, but I'm not going to judge players' abilities, but maybe read the comment before replying thx. Already have the patriot? I do not use it. On hell dive, I use something useful to my playing style and saying YOU already have something for the BUG side." This denotes your 2 team mentality of this game... bug diver bot diver.. it's a team game I am 125 5 star gen love both sides and with your attitude, you're not a hell diver, but a DUMPSTER DIVER have fun on the front with those who can deal with you. P.s. you said it could take out a patrol then said ALSO Good with the bots referring to a bug patrol... face palm ugh
@@phillipjfry8497 Edit: By “Patrol” I meant 3 of them plus a 4-ship bot drop. The EMS strike is not enough to kill so many spread out bots. As I was saying, some stratagems are meant for the bug front and some for the bots. Stop judging a fish on its ability to climb a tree
I kinda see it with Autocannon against Bug when it's more ideal against Bots. But they need a buff. You can't bring a mech to a Bot fight since you'll just blow up by one patrol. And the first mech runs out of ammo.
I should feel like the Dreadnaught from Space Marine's multiplayer. I should feel like the Master Chief when he finds a tank. I should feel... ...LIKE A HELLDIVER FROM HELLDIVER *ONE* when I think of a mech!
Been playing R6S again and got addicted, saw that the new mech dropped and said “ya know what, maybe that’ll be the new kick I need for democracy spreading” I ran out of ammo after a bile titan thanked me for scratching an itch he had on his ass, went back to siege. They’ll figure it out soon, the game is good with good devs behind it.
It's a wrong tool for the job bud, It's super good at clearing medium and smaller targets. Get someone with spear and rocket pods and you have the whole enemy range covered with 3 strategems
I wonder how good this thing is against a Bile Titan’s chin / throat. Normally, the Autocannon stratagem (not the turret) would be unable to kill Bile Titans after breaking all the sacs, but if you shoot the throat / chin, you actually still damage the Bile Titan and can potentially kill it. I haven’t replicated this multiple times though, so don’t take my word for it. Besides that, I wonder how good the Emancipator is against Charger legs. If it has the ability to break the armor off, then I can see some potential to be strong. It might also be stronger than attacking the head like how the flamethrower is better against Charger legs.
in my opinion, i think they both are great by how they are. I don't think the devs make them for fight against titans, its more efficiently in long period defense like extracion or "crowd control". Or even when you respawn far away the place you died and youre too lazy to get over there walking, maybe they will add a new mech designed for heavy opponensts but not good againsts "normal" enemies. Maybe a tank? Also, the patriotic exosuit is good against titans, is just hard to aim with the rockets
It’s because of armor values, most bots have medium armor. But where this thing fails is with heavy armor. In which instead of doing 300 damage it does 60. Heavy enemies like chargers, bile titans and factory striders are this thing biggest weakness. Tho the armor thing might be a bug that gets patch later, hopefully.
@@TheMrWhitmore I also think this was the design of it. When it got leaked I remember people saying that this exo would be mostly used against bots because the first one is already kinda good against bugs.
@@SimpleBandit what right way? Its pretty straight forward machine gun chaff and rocket chargers and bile titans, i dont see why i would want to use that dogshit if I can just bring a good chaff clear primary and either eat, spear, recoiless
Idk I ran it several times this morning and while I don't think it's a super powerful force multiplier, I do still think it has potential to lay some fire power down range. I wish it had more ammo really but I was whoop assing on tanks at 7 so idk
No matter what game i play - the one thing always remains a constant: bad balance. There is always that one item, or character, or weapon, or anything at all that just... Don't have a reason to exist. You know it, the guys playing with you know it, everyone who has tried to make a good use of the thing for 30 minutes know it. Then how comes that the devs do not? This always buffled me. If i was a dev - i would NEVER let that be unless i have a 2 pages worth of analysis where i explain precisely WHY this weapon needs to be at this exact power level. But maybe that's just me being a crazy nerd for balanced numbers.
Why would you expect it to kill a bile titan? It's autocanons. ACs are great for lots of things, but not bile titans and not chargers. That doesn't make it a joke, it just means you don't know your equipment.
It need's to either have it's damage increased, or call limitation increased (along with lowering cooldown) Oh and also they need to do something about all mechs durability
Man, when you said f this with frustration after clearly hitting b titan in the head with well aimed shots, you just unloaded on it and still couldn't take it down lol
isn't the emancipator mech ment for fighting automatons instead of bugs? just use the patriot mech against them the rockets on it can kill most bile titans in two hits by aiming the rocket at the head
@@giraffeorganic Meh. Feels strong vs bots to me. Either its skill issue or people had too high of expectations, and I'm not some legend among men when it comes to gaming.
Try stepping back and actually hitting the head you claim to be shooting. It's 25 shots if you actually hit your target. You can quite casually down multiple titans back to back with this, in a way no other strat lets you do. The limited uses are a big trade off, but no one complains about the orbital laser in the same way when it barely kills a single titan, let alone four in shorter time each.
finally someone who actually took time to learn how to use it. The mechs on meta but mechs never were and its not like they are made out of paper anymore.
yeah its good- but the idea that "its only for bots" makes no sense- the only reason the patriot is "For bugs" is because its weapons and armor are too light for the bot front. The emancipator has increased armor and weapons... or at least it should be- the armor IS stronger than the regular patriot- BUT the main Guns (Quad Autocannons) are for some reason weaker than even the players normal autocannon stratagem and the Sentry- this is weird because- why would adding an extra 3 guns of the same Weapon Type- make it weaker? Lore wise its just weird for this to be the case- gameplay wise- it sucks that it does not do enough damage on either front- bots or bug- the only reason it even works on bots is the armor pen on the autocannon- but i assure you- if you put a player- sentry and mech- side by side and told each to kill the same enemy type- the player and sentry will kill it much much quicker- its like saying- just because it works in a certain situation that its "Good" even tho it falls short on every other aspect yk? i like BOTH the mechs and its satisfying to play- BUT just because its "Passable/good" doesnt mean its done well- (FYI ive used both mechs on helldives on BOTH fronts multiple times since the emancipator so im not just "complaining" i can use them fine- and clear helldives with them- its just a matter of- why should they be this weak? when theres already more powerfull stuff out there? how does nerfing 4x the guns with 1/4x the damage make any sense?)
Idk why people complaining, the thing annihilates everything below chargers in seconds. Even charger died pretty fast if you aim in leg. Ammo capacity is enough for clearing bug breach or drops and more.
Because at any difficulties higher than a cakewalk there can be well more than 3-5 chargers + 1-2 titans coming in your way at the same time at every moment. This is a 10 minute cooldown strategem with only 2 uses per game, if it's not shredding everything in its way for the limited time on the ground, it's no use.
@@freedisappointment815 Yes use the autocannon and have you aim knocked off every 5 seconds from some random bot instead of using the mech that is able to tank entire barrages of rockets and only has to worry about cannon towers and heavy tanks which your team should be clearing quickly anyway if they are worth a damn. Only real drawback is the cooldown time and amount of ammo that's the only thing wrong with it. Its not meta but holy hell yall glaze the autocannon as if its not just outclassed by the heavy sniper in everyway expect total amount of ammo.
The Patriot Exo is good on bugs up until a charger appears. The heavy machingun chews through hordes of small enemies, but the rockets are useless. The aim is way off and it has a small amount of them. But it's good as a walking heavy machingun turret.
@@Bloodbain88You can 2 tap headshot a charger with the rockets by 'switching shoulders' so the rocket pod actually aligns with your reticle. For this reason charger is far from the worst matchup for the patriot, just look at the massive acid-spitting quad Stilts boi over there.
the game can be difficult yeah but that doesn’t mean the balancing devs have to make everything a pea shooter, it just means that weapons shouldn’t be able to carry an entire mission
man love this game but these devs really need to learn how to balance there frickin stuff right. all the problems that seem to be the majority with this game are weapon and strat balancing
This should be the bot mech while the other the bug mech. Only problem is… the other one has nerf darts for rockets… I remember 2 shotting BTs with it before… I don’t know who tf thought it was a good idea to nerf it that hard
as much as i hate bile titans, why does seemingly everyone and their grandma only look at this mech's performance against a titan and immediately conclude "yep this is shit"? what about it's performance in *literally* anything else?
god please tell me this is satire .. waaaah devs didn't give me a superweapon to kill a bile with 2 shots waaah.. **grow up** no i didn't drop the mech in bug oil ... grow up....
No ones saying it should 2 shot it should be able to die in around 20 to 30 shots by a single emancipator a patriot mech can 4 shot with rockets and the ammo is fair that is being given to kill a bile. Comparing it to this video there are 2 emancipators dumping ammo into the bile and it isnt dying. No one wants a one shot weapon but a stratagem that has limited ammo and a long call in time should do more damage then its given currently. Saying grow up when you have a minecraft picture as your avatar is also a bit ironic.
@@OldKnight724 dudes a clown, the normal autocannon turret would solo a bile titan b4 these 2 mechs would have taken it down lol. This mech needs some help lol
@@OldKnight724 How many rockets does the Patriot have? It was like 15 or 20 right? It takes anywhere between 3-5 rockets to kill a bile titan which is 20%-25% of the total amount of rockets. The Emancipator has 150 shots, so logically to keep them around the same cost, it should take 20%-25% of the ammo, so 35-38 shots (rounding up from 37.5). This makes the Emancipator feel much less powerful but the ammo use is still roughly the same percentage-wise. The only downside I can agree with is that the autocannons are used for both chaff and heavy units, whereas the Patriot has a minigun for the chaff and medium enemies. I would also like to add that after playing with the mech I've found it is amazing at taking out bug holes, maybe having one person bring this for the bug holes and medium enemies and the other people bring the patriot to deal with titans and Chargers. This is a cooperative game and I feel like a more co-op take on the mech could be more effective. ( To be specific it only takes 1 of the 150 autocannon shots to take out a bug hole, as opposed to using one of the patriot's rockets that often miss and can be used to kill heavy targets)
Damn Emancipator got Emancipated, it comes PRE NERF
Looks like I’m sticking with my auto cannon turret
Just wait until the Hello Neighbor dev nerfs that in response.
This dude really thought the autocannons on the mech would somehow be different.
@@WreckerQD Realistically we need the interaction of Auto cannon changed. A direct hit should not bounce, same goes for the Patriot's rockets not stripping armor like they used to (plus the rockets are off center). Hopefully they decided to revisit how exactly these things work in the future.
Oh I see, I didn't try it on bugs so I didn't see that
@@vlanson6529 The rockets should be rework indeed but people need to understand the autocannon has medium armor penetration just like the AMR and the laser cannon, only things like EAT and Recoiless can pen bile titan armor since they have heavy armor penetration
Both mechs need a buff you only get 2 per mission so they should be really fucking op for like 2 minutes until they run out of ammo
Or the emancipator could have 300 rounds 150 in eqch arm, like it was in helldivers 1...
The projectile efficiency when aiming at Bile Titans needs to be changed. It’s not just the mech, it’s every other anti tank weapon aiming at the goddamn titans.
Why? They're currently the largest enemy in the game. They're *supposed* to be hard to kill. This game isn't supposed to be easy. That's why a full team gets 18 respawns.
@@onerimeuse So none of the weapons in-game are designed for 'heavy enemies'? That's fine, just give me that damn heavy weapons then.
@@crosshairs007 plenty are designed for heavy enemies. But none of them are supposed to be one shot weapons. Because that would mean there's no challenge. Hell, difficulty 7 is *Literally* called "suicide mission". That's not intended as hyperbaly, it's letting the players know what they're in for. I agree, we will need heavier weapons eventually, but like all wars, we're fighting an arms race and fighting against the economy, logistics and research.
Yes, it's a game. Yes they can just program us better guns no problem. But we're supposed to think in universe. And just like irl, guns ship a bit janky the first iteration. That's why we have multiple versions of the m16 and m4. And why were just now developing an infantry weapon to deal with body armor. And that will have multiple versions.
Put yourself in the mind if an in universe helldiver, as opposed to a gamer in your chair, and you'll have a much better time.
@@onerimeuse buddy, if they're gonna spawn the damn bile titan like it's some sort of common enemy on higher difficulty then we at least need a weapon that can take them out quickly despite having limited use, a wider variety at that. 500 kg bombs is hard to use considering how fast bile titans are, so the only 2 strategems that can reliably kill them are orbital laser and orbital railgun. And this creates a meta situation that so many people say we should avoid.
@@robbieaulia6462 I can't argue with that. But also, again, anything above suicide mission is more.... Suicidey... On difficulty 6 it's not as bad.
Buuuuuuuuut, I would love to see some more viable and various statagems. Hopefully this alleged balance patch will make all the crying stop for a while so that AH can get back to making new stuff instead of tweaking everything they've already put into the game for the fifth time, even though most everything works well enough with a good team and if you use tactics and equipment appropriate for the mission and enemies you're fighting. The problem there is everyone thinks they should be able to stand in the open and spray and pray every single patrol they come across, when the game works waaaaaay better when you treat situations tactically, aim shots appropriately, time statagem use, understand, like, actually understand how different weapons work on different things, fill gaps in squad capabilites with other thing, etc, etc etc. Everyone wants this game to be like a cod campaign, (bullet sponges with headshot aim assist) , when it's *supposed to be* more like a metal gear campaign.
*shrug*
a modder had spawned in my lobby early before this thing ever came out. when i first used it was GOOD, it took like 8 shots to kill a bile titan and was WAY better pre release.
Alexus got his filthy hands on it
@@Boamerealexishit back at it again
Found this on Reddit:
The stats of the exo suit clearly reflects deliberate underperformance and sabotage, despite they obviously have the capacity to optimize it by giving it the stats of the turret AC or the handheld version.
This strategy aims to purposefully generate poor and negative feedback in the community so that the devs can leverage our responses in the upcoming patch to introduce a buffed and improved version of the exo suit.
Why take the detour though? Because this effectively creates the illusion of their team's responsiveness and attentiveness to playerbase concerns. This is how they appeal to our emotion and fake compliance.
Very clever way to save to save their game by manipulating us into thinking we are getting AAA customer support.
Agree with everything here except triple A customer support is even worse than this
pretty interesting analysis, hadn't thought about it that way. cheers!
I just tested the new mech. Its cool but it's meh at best. I used 3 of them in one mission and all of them run out of ammo pretty quick. The time to kill is horrendous even on chargers...
yea it just needs more of a damage buff the stratagems are constantly mediocre and its just getting old
I mean, autocannon kinda sucks on chargers.
It's clear each arm has the strength of a single autocannon, despite looking like it shoots two. And that's less powerful than an AC sentry.
@@LimakPan in my dives I did at least 25-30 headshots to a bile titan for it to finally fall
Works great against bots just saying
@@LimakPan The autocannon turret can 3 tap a charger, and that thing only has 1 gun. The mech has 4 god damn autocannons, why is it not doing 4 times as much damage? It's laughably weak for its cool down and usage limit, you're better off using anything unless it is buffed in the coming balance patch.
Eravin did a damage breakdown it takes 25 shots from mech to down a titan. 6 shots from that ac turret. I’ll take a turret with me.
Guys it has 60 durable damage compared to the 300 on the AC turret! And the handheld AC has higher durable damage than the mechs! I think the handheld has 260 durable damage, honestly it's so bad.
Bile Titan: "You drive that thing like a fuckin' shopping cart!"
Takes almost an entire arm's magazine to take down just a single Bile Titan or Charger, and yet there can be upwards of 15 to 20 Bile Titans alone in higher difficulty missions. Are the Emancipator's canons the same as Autocannon Sentries? Autocannon Sentries seem more powerful, I'm not sure.
Chargers only take 8 shots to kill if you hit them in the leg. Its weak against biles sure but is that really a bad thing when you can destroy every other enemy? Also wouldn't that mean the bile titan spawn rate is the issue and not the mech? I play on helldive only against bugs and I had no issue getting plenty of use out of it. Its not meta but its still fun if you actually take time to learn how to use it. Honestly all it needs is an ammo buff.
Mech autocannons are much worse compared to an automatic turret
The devs want to focus on ''balance'' but forget that a game is suposed to be fun and not perfectly numbers
true this, balancing doesn’t mean that you have to make things dogshit, it just means that you have to make sure it’s not gonna carry an entire mission
It only struggles with Bile titans and still 35 shots them when you have 150 rounds. It 8 shots chargers if you aim for the legs. Its not bad. Only thing it needs is an ammo buff same with the other mech. Its perfectly fine and fun to use if you actually have a team that works together. This is coming from someone who only plays helldive.
If an normal autocannon doesn't kill a bile why would you think the mech with 4 would?
OOOH how nice AH listened and delivered it prenerfed :D
quick question. does the auto cannon kill bile titans quickly? no? then why do you expect the autocannon mech to kill them quickly?
Autocannons are not built for bugs, but that’s mostly because bugs just need their own weapons if you don’t wanna take a decade to kill a charger or titan
What I’ve noticed as well is the arms break of from basically nothing there’s been times I’m shooting at anything and one of the arms just falls off😂
It just needs more durable damage to kill big enemies like bile titans, factory striders, and tanks. The autocannon mech does 30 durable damage (Which is the damage to bile titans) while the autocannon sentry does 300 durable damage. The devs need to stop doing hard drugs while balancing the game
That looks very smooth, what’s the chipset and graph card you are using? 👍
Can use a Quasar shot or an EATs shot to the bile titans face first to soften it up a little. Softens the pain at least a little until the buff the mech 😅
All those people down here saying 'oh you shouldn't use it on chargers/ titans' 'its not underperforming' need to shut the fuck up. The mechs have the longest cooldown and only 2 calls, why should it not be OP? If I wanted something that labours to kill a single charger or fail to kill a titan I'd just pick the autocannon, because that's about as much this shit is worth right now. 500kg is superior, orbital rail is superior, orbital lazer is superior, every heavy ordinance is better at dealing with heavies than the mechs, then what fucking role are the mechs taking? Mowing down small bugs every 600 seconds?
It is OP for utterly annihilating an entire patrol which could’ve taken 5 minutes to fight them out but is done in one minute after you hold both triggers and kill them all. Also, this thing is great against the bots, still underpowered though but it’s not useless.
Op for a patrol ? I can do that with one gas strike a whole breech for that matter.. you must think gas strike is god then
@@phillipjfry8497 That is not the case with Automatons on Level 7. This might be a surprise but you already have the Patriot for the bugs, you do not need the emancipator catered towards you aswell.
What do I mean by a patrol? I mean a couple hulks, 30 devastators, countless, mostly rockets and heavies, countless infantry, aswell as a couple tanks. This is just level 7 on the bot front.
@luigimrlgaming9484 it would be a surprise to me, yes, because YOU didn't refer to which race of patrol because patrol could mean either, that's why i said BREECH not DROP SHIP. So when it comes to what i was referring to, i am correct. Now, if we want to not understand or remember what we wrote not too long ago PATROL could mean either race and since I'm not categorizing what part you enjoy to play either front it's still the same stratagem called emp strike. 75 secs and does the job. I don't know how it takes you 5 mins on said patrols, but I'm not going to judge players' abilities, but maybe read the comment before replying thx. Already have the patriot? I do not use it. On hell dive, I use something useful to my playing style and saying YOU already have something for the BUG side." This denotes your 2 team mentality of this game... bug diver bot diver.. it's a team game I am 125 5 star gen love both sides and with your attitude, you're not a hell diver, but a DUMPSTER DIVER have fun on the front with those who can deal with you. P.s. you said it could take out a patrol then said ALSO Good with the bots referring to a bug patrol... face palm ugh
@@phillipjfry8497 Edit: By “Patrol” I meant 3 of them plus a 4-ship bot drop. The EMS strike is not enough to kill so many spread out bots. As I was saying, some stratagems are meant for the bug front and some for the bots. Stop judging a fish on its ability to climb a tree
>not shooting out the sacs under the bile Titan before shelling it in the face
*facepalm.jpg*
I kinda see it with Autocannon against Bug when it's more ideal against Bots. But they need a buff. You can't bring a mech to a Bot fight since you'll just blow up by one patrol. And the first mech runs out of ammo.
I should feel like the Dreadnaught from Space Marine's multiplayer. I should feel like the Master Chief when he finds a tank. I should feel...
...LIKE A HELLDIVER FROM HELLDIVER *ONE* when I think of a mech!
Been playing R6S again and got addicted, saw that the new mech dropped and said “ya know what, maybe that’ll be the new kick I need for democracy spreading”
I ran out of ammo after a bile titan thanked me for scratching an itch he had on his ass, went back to siege.
They’ll figure it out soon, the game is good with good devs behind it.
it has plastic for armor when fighting bots, reg lasers kill it quick
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I tested against Automatons.
It melted Bruted back to back. Two of them came towards me and before I noticed they were down.
I tried it out and it takes about a quarter of your ammo just for one charger lol
It's a wrong tool for the job bud, It's super good at clearing medium and smaller targets. Get someone with spear and rocket pods and you have the whole enemy range covered with 3 strategems
it one shots bug holes what the hell do yall need
I wonder how good this thing is against a Bile Titan’s chin / throat.
Normally, the Autocannon stratagem (not the turret) would be unable to kill Bile Titans after breaking all the sacs, but if you shoot the throat / chin, you actually still damage the Bile Titan and can potentially kill it. I haven’t replicated this multiple times though, so don’t take my word for it.
Besides that, I wonder how good the Emancipator is against Charger legs. If it has the ability to break the armor off, then I can see some potential to be strong. It might also be stronger than attacking the head like how the flamethrower is better against Charger legs.
just Press the click you want followed by the other after a few milliseconds to fire like a machine gun
in my opinion, i think they both are great by how they are. I don't think the devs make them for fight against titans, its more efficiently in long period defense like extracion or "crowd control". Or even when you respawn far away the place you died and youre too lazy to get over there walking, maybe they will add a new mech designed for heavy opponensts but not good againsts "normal" enemies. Maybe a tank? Also, the patriotic exosuit is good against titans, is just hard to aim with the rockets
It needs a bit more ammo and more armour penetration imo.
it is actually insane against bots.
It’s because of armor values, most bots have medium armor. But where this thing fails is with heavy armor. In which instead of doing 300 damage it does 60. Heavy enemies like chargers, bile titans and factory striders are this thing biggest weakness. Tho the armor thing might be a bug that gets patch later, hopefully.
@@Pipe-1977 Its no bug at all, the mech is simply NOT designed to be used against heavily armored enemies.
It does 30 damage per shot to a Bile Titan head, and the Bile Titan head has somewhere in the thousands amount of health
@@TheMrWhitmore I also think this was the design of it. When it got leaked I remember people saying that this exo would be mostly used against bots because the first one is already kinda good against bugs.
@@Theroguedisciple-n3v i think the head has 750
or you could use the mech actually designed for bugs
sucks too
@@mikless6936 brother has not used it the right way I see.
@@SimpleBandit what right way? Its pretty straight forward machine gun chaff and rocket chargers and bile titans, i dont see why i would want to use that dogshit if I can just bring a good chaff clear primary and either eat, spear, recoiless
@@mikless6936 are you being intentionally dense? the Patriot is for bugs, the Emancipator is for bots.
Idk I ran it several times this morning and while I don't think it's a super powerful force multiplier, I do still think it has potential to lay some fire power down range. I wish it had more ammo really but I was whoop assing on tanks at 7 so idk
It's like they are intentionally trying to make people want to quit with all the nerfs and drama.
No matter what game i play - the one thing always remains a constant: bad balance.
There is always that one item, or character, or weapon, or anything at all that just... Don't have a reason to exist.
You know it, the guys playing with you know it, everyone who has tried to make a good use of the thing for 30 minutes know it.
Then how comes that the devs do not?
This always buffled me. If i was a dev - i would NEVER let that be unless i have a 2 pages worth of analysis where i explain precisely WHY this weapon needs to be at this exact power level.
But maybe that's just me being a crazy nerd for balanced numbers.
It has to be this way
im not playing this game again
until they stop with the ridiculous nerfs
Why would you expect it to kill a bile titan? It's autocanons. ACs are great for lots of things, but not bile titans and not chargers. That doesn't make it a joke, it just means you don't know your equipment.
MFW a dedicated anti-medium mechsuit is bad against superheavy units
This is why I was never exicted for the new mech. Or any new weapon. Or new warbond.
It need's to either have it's damage increased, or call limitation increased (along with lowering cooldown)
Oh and also they need to do something about all mechs durability
Mechs durability is above average at this point
The emancipator is great, ya'll just don't know how to use the autocannon. The other mech is better for bugs, emancipator is for bots.
Man, when you said f this with frustration after clearly hitting b titan in the head with well aimed shots, you just unloaded on it and still couldn't take it down lol
isn't the emancipator mech ment for fighting automatons instead of bugs? just use the patriot mech against them the rockets on it can kill most bile titans in two hits by aiming the rocket at the head
Its an anti-bot mech, not anti-bug like the first one. Feels amazing vs the bots.
In addition, it pulverizes the chargers
All existing AC cannons are anti bot and bug. Your argument is very poor to justify its poor stats.
@@giraffeorganic Meh. Feels strong vs bots to me. Either its skill issue or people had too high of expectations, and I'm not some legend among men when it comes to gaming.
Try stepping back and actually hitting the head you claim to be shooting. It's 25 shots if you actually hit your target. You can quite casually down multiple titans back to back with this, in a way no other strat lets you do. The limited uses are a big trade off, but no one complains about the orbital laser in the same way when it barely kills a single titan, let alone four in shorter time each.
finally someone who actually took time to learn how to use it. The mechs on meta but mechs never were and its not like they are made out of paper anymore.
yeah its good- but the idea that "its only for bots" makes no sense- the only reason the patriot is "For bugs" is because its weapons and armor are too light for the bot front.
The emancipator has increased armor and weapons... or at least it should be- the armor IS stronger than the regular patriot- BUT the main Guns (Quad Autocannons) are for some reason weaker than even the players normal autocannon stratagem and the Sentry- this is weird because- why would adding an extra 3 guns of the same Weapon Type- make it weaker?
Lore wise its just weird for this to be the case- gameplay wise- it sucks that it does not do enough damage on either front- bots or bug- the only reason it even works on bots is the armor pen on the autocannon- but i assure you- if you put a player- sentry and mech- side by side and told each to kill the same enemy type- the player and sentry will kill it much much quicker-
its like saying- just because it works in a certain situation that its "Good" even tho it falls short on every other aspect yk?
i like BOTH the mechs and its satisfying to play- BUT just because its "Passable/good" doesnt mean its done well-
(FYI ive used both mechs on helldives on BOTH fronts multiple times since the emancipator so im not just "complaining" i can use them fine- and clear helldives with them- its just a matter of- why should they be this weak? when theres already more powerfull stuff out there? how does nerfing 4x the guns with 1/4x the damage make any sense?)
Sheeeesh. What a actual fuck is this? Is this a joke?
After playing with it vs bots and bugs - I found it performed well enough vs bots. Against bugs it's weak as the video depicts.
Idk why people complaining, the thing annihilates everything below chargers in seconds. Even charger died pretty fast if you aim in leg. Ammo capacity is enough for clearing bug breach or drops and more.
Because at any difficulties higher than a cakewalk there can be well more than 3-5 chargers + 1-2 titans coming in your way at the same time at every moment. This is a 10 minute cooldown strategem with only 2 uses per game, if it's not shredding everything in its way for the limited time on the ground, it's no use.
Tell me you don’t play 9 without telling me you don’t play 9:
@@Ace-InterventionWhy play nine? Seven is fun and challenging.
@@Ace-Intervention bruh, im playing only 9 actually
@@Ace-Intervention im playing only 9
hahaha, a bug diver using a mech made for bot divers XD
Still better than the patriot exo
idk i was whoopin ass against factory striders when fighting bots
I would rather use normal autocannon than this clumsy and inaccurate mech against bot.
@@freedisappointment815 Yes use the autocannon and have you aim knocked off every 5 seconds from some random bot instead of using the mech that is able to tank entire barrages of rockets and only has to worry about cannon towers and heavy tanks which your team should be clearing quickly anyway if they are worth a damn. Only real drawback is the cooldown time and amount of ammo that's the only thing wrong with it. Its not meta but holy hell yall glaze the autocannon as if its not just outclassed by the heavy sniper in everyway expect total amount of ammo.
Isn't this mech for bots and the other is for bugs? I'm a few weeks into the game but that is what I was hearing
The Patriot Exo is good on bugs up until a charger appears. The heavy machingun chews through hordes of small enemies, but the rockets are useless. The aim is way off and it has a small amount of them. But it's good as a walking heavy machingun turret.
@@Bloodbain88 I use the stomp a lot
@@Bloodbain88You can 2 tap headshot a charger with the rockets by 'switching shoulders' so the rocket pod actually aligns with your reticle. For this reason charger is far from the worst matchup for the patriot, just look at the massive acid-spitting quad Stilts boi over there.
@@chinglegitrdx6135How do you switch shoulders on console?
The game is also supposed to be difficult. The game would not be fun if our guns killed everything 1 shot.
the game can be difficult yeah but that doesn’t mean the balancing devs have to make everything a pea shooter, it just means that weapons shouldn’t be able to carry an entire mission
It's better on bots, why use it on bugs even? just use the Patriot
For me the mech is amazing
You got two guns for a reason. It's not bad, you're bad.
lol try it against automatons its even worse.
man love this game but these devs really need to learn how to balance there frickin stuff right. all the problems that seem to be the majority with this game are weapon and strat balancing
This thing is fucking worthless rn
You are aware thats its NOT supposed to be used against chargers and titans and such?
then why pick it? A huge cooldown strategem ... for trash? ill take napalm, gas, cluster anything that has way more value. 20K credit trash.
This should be the bot mech while the other the bug mech. Only problem is… the other one has nerf darts for rockets… I remember 2 shotting BTs with it before… I don’t know who tf thought it was a good idea to nerf it that hard
@@jonathangeorgopoulos1097 This Mech is for Bots and the other for Mech is for bugs
@@rage_scorpio5494 both are worthless on 9, doesn't matter if you are up against bugs or space commies
Against bots is absolutely nuts, love it
I swear the bullshit durable damge fucking sucks
it's amazing vs bots
as much as i hate bile titans, why does seemingly everyone and their grandma only look at this mech's performance against a titan and immediately conclude "yep this is shit"? what about it's performance in *literally* anything else?
god please tell me this is satire ..
waaaah devs didn't give me a superweapon to kill a bile with 2 shots waaah..
**grow up**
no i didn't drop the mech in bug oil ...
grow up....
No ones saying it should 2 shot it should be able to die in around 20 to 30 shots by a single emancipator a patriot mech can 4 shot with rockets and the ammo is fair that is being given to kill a bile. Comparing it to this video there are 2 emancipators dumping ammo into the bile and it isnt dying. No one wants a one shot weapon but a stratagem that has limited ammo and a long call in time should do more damage then its given currently. Saying grow up when you have a minecraft picture as your avatar is also a bit ironic.
@@OldKnight724 dudes a clown, the normal autocannon turret would solo a bile titan b4 these 2 mechs would have taken it down lol. This mech needs some help lol
@@gamingbros8472 the regular ac deals more damage per shot against light and medium targets lol
@@OldKnight724 How many rockets does the Patriot have? It was like 15 or 20 right? It takes anywhere between 3-5 rockets to kill a bile titan which is 20%-25% of the total amount of rockets. The Emancipator has 150 shots, so logically to keep them around the same cost, it should take 20%-25% of the ammo, so 35-38 shots (rounding up from 37.5). This makes the Emancipator feel much less powerful but the ammo use is still roughly the same percentage-wise. The only downside I can agree with is that the autocannons are used for both chaff and heavy units, whereas the Patriot has a minigun for the chaff and medium enemies. I would also like to add that after playing with the mech I've found it is amazing at taking out bug holes, maybe having one person bring this for the bug holes and medium enemies and the other people bring the patriot to deal with titans and Chargers. This is a cooperative game and I feel like a more co-op take on the mech could be more effective. ( To be specific it only takes 1 of the 150 autocannon shots to take out a bug hole, as opposed to using one of the patriot's rockets that often miss and can be used to kill heavy targets)