YouTube Is (Not) Filmmaking
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You should edit your conversation with the film student into two variant dramatic shapes :)
i dont do fast edits i like long takes let the watcher live in the scene as long as possible .
if the watcher is getting alot of info of a long take i feel that in my view of course the film maker respects their intelligence vs fast cut away jump edits.
which are made for adhd viewers or children .
@@NatureRecycleFlorida You took the words right out of my mind! I love the movie STALKER!
Please analyze the editing style of successful travel film makers like Sam Kolder. Explain why his video gets so much engagement.
Uppbeat looks legitimately great, glad that you helped them market!
My fav jump cut is when you start your paid sponsorship and i jump cut to a random spot
Megalol!
Well he gotta do what he gotta do bro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lmaooo
Install SponsorBlock to do it automatically
Just use Sponsorblock
Meanwhile, Tom Scott's finishing up recording a video somewhere and yelling, "Yes! One take!"
Yeah, and a ten minute take with lots of numbers and difficult words to remember too.
@ still better than :"What's up Guyse!!, you won't believe what epic fact i have for you people, oh my gosh, this is unbelievableeee..."
😂😂😂😂😂 didn't expect this.
I miss Casey. He wasted a lot of my time. And I miss that.
we all miss him
i recommend corridor crew! i love their vids
@@DefoNotMe128 YESS CorridorCrew is a great channel!
Whyd he leave though
If anyone’s still looking for their Casey fix, go watch Van Neistat. It’s next level
RUclips editing is basically just leaving the camera on and recording one take. Then later you will cut and cut. Casey is fantastic because he plans every shot he takes, it's so entertaining to me.
Nerdwriter did a fantastic video a few years back on how Casey applied his past filmmaking experience to vlogging and redefined the status quo for RUclips content at the time. It really gave me some perspective on how he turned a simple “day in the life” vlog into a fun story. However, his content did inspire quite a bit of mediocrity-notably a whole subculture of RUclips vloggers who spent their days zipping around New York City on Boosted Boards, “collaborating” with each other, and actually accomplishing very little. Thankfully quite a few of those vloggers eventually branched out to other genres and became fairly successful in those spaces, but I digress.
I think a lot of what influenced the fast-paced, frantic style of editing on RUclips can be compared to plants striving for sunlight in a rainforest. On paid platforms like Netflix, people want to watch TV and film. The style of editing matters very little to them as long as it fits their general interest, and the content doesn’t need to be concerned about time. RUclips, on the other hand, has so much content that people value the time they get to spend on the platform, so if you aren’t entertaining them constantly, they are more likely to click away. That even comes down to the jump cuts you get to remove breathing or extra words. It’s all about energy, information, and time. Even gaming creators have to earn their audience by making content that is consistently entertaining and energetic.
By no means am I an expert on this kind of thing, but that has been my observation.
you literally just dumbed down the way i make videos lol
@@antiseth3964 looks like we have a guy who is not jealous at all that other people live their life and enjoy themselves with their hobbies. Next time we will ask your permission (but without passie agression whatsoever) on how to live our lives.
@@AtticusColdfield Reading my comment back, it does sound very inconsiderate. I apologize for that. If you enjoy creating, then that is all that matters.
@@antiseth3964 Its all about the Journey
I always feels like youtube allowed many kinds of editing to thrive, and not only telling information in a fast way, it also allowed me to met you, and know more people on editing movies and stuff, and hooked me into the world of video editing.
I still loved both sides on how they could convey a story in a fast hooking manner or a slowly crafted piece of art. Both require time to master the skills but they are both an art form in their own dimension.
3:50, that's actually a result of meme editing throughout the years, often used for emphasis on "look how funny this is". You can find it being common with commentary and lifestyle vlogs. It shapes around the words not for cinematic smoothness but punctuation--often bringing to life an otherwise flat or median joke.
Yup
As someone who edits for a couple of bigger vloggers it’s insane how many jump cuts there are.
This was such a great video! Lots of great insight
Hey Kris. Hope you’re well
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Can you make a review video for the cinematic pictures and the colors for this movie.
" The Lady Of heaven" 2M views at trailer
@@ThisGuyEdits any best professional online editing course... please suggest
@@sforsure gotoeditor.com
RUclips stopped being a forum for filmmakers with the algorithm (among other things). Independent filmmakers who don't have a team, or do it as a job are going to have a difficult time posting regularly on any type of schedule. There are filmmakers on RUclips, but their uploads (and often their followings) tend to look way different from the average RUclipsr.
like ours =) make and release a film every year or so, and the algorithm doesn't really like that
ruclips.net/video/Y1sFzWxvRl8/видео.html
Most of them are on Venmo cause it has 1. Higher quality streaming 2. Doesn’t have the restrictions RUclips has
Ahhh, here we go... another "algorithm" person
Trust me. It’s very hard, I often spend weeks on doing one CGI shot for a film and less than 50 people could see it, most of them are just family and friends. It comes to a point where I no longer make films to show people, but because I wanted make them in the first place, it’s sad but filmmakers just get overlooked on this platform
RUclips has a 'CiNeMaTiC Broll' problem. I don't care how much slowmo or how many swoops or zoom transitions a video has if there isn't any story, or relatable emotions/situations. Story > everything.
I have done videos completely out of focus that have done great because of story, music, and edit choice.
Silence is something often overlooked on youtube. ADHD Jump cuts take out anticipation and I think it actually takes away from videos sometimes.
Awesome vid.
Well Said, also "cinematic" is not 4k sharp videos in 60p, lol
RUclips isn't a genre. Joel Haver, Cody Clarke and many others are making cinematic films on here without any of the stylistic things you mentioned. You're just not looking hard enough ;)
Dear lord I hate that b-roll. I just can't with that stuff. I don't watch stuff where that pops up but sometimes it does and it goes on forever like they are so proud of it but as a viewer you don't care about hard it was to get. Just that there's too much and it needs to end already.
Such s as true statement 👌
Anything looks good in slow motion....you can literally film an animal taking a dump and it will look good 🤦♂️
@@wickedwestfilms3993 can someone please tell the Snyder Cut fans that lol
I'd love to see more editing/storytelling tips, tricks, and suggestions. Keep it up!
I love editing!! Man I'm excited, this stuff get's my blood pumping! RUclips is wonderful because we can tell a story and edit in a unique way. It doesn't have to be super higher production & anyone can do it
This is an awesome discussion. Part of the reason I never really got into RUclips back in 2009 was because of all the jump cut vlog type of videos. It always seemed to me like they were edited by amateurs that didn't know how to make a scene flow or hide that a film looked "edited". Crazy to think that this would become a "style" now. Great analysis 👍🏼
I've never been a fan of the jump cuts that are all over RUclips; I prefer to not draw attention to my cuts unless there's some purpose behind it.
Thank you for doing this video. I came from learning about narrative filmmaking and editing and so many younger people who put stuff on social media (RUclips specifically) have little understanding of narrative storytelling. I have lost out to jobs on RUclips channels because I am "too cinematic". I was shocked that was considered a bad thing. But If I were to continue getting work, I needed to change and adapt. I hate editing in the RUclips style but do it out of necessity for continued employment. It definitely is tougher to make something look so amateurish when it screams cinematic and vice versa.
This video is so powerful and full of great tips! Please, bring more videos like this one, talking about the editing on RUclips videos, and the elements of this kind of storytelling - that would be amazing, man!
Loving these videos. 1st one was your Interstellar breakdown, incredible.
Glad you like them!
The first tutorial I've seen about the difference between film and RUclips content creation. Very informative and includes an excellent example in the more detailed Casey Neistat analysis. Thanks for sharing this perspective.
As a new RUclipsr it's nice to see this comparison. Thank you for the content! I wish more people on RUclips focused on the value instead of just sharing all kinds of random acts that seemingly have no point. I definitely lean towards the story side.
Glad it was helpful!
I lean more toward story too I'd like to be in league with the likes of Nathaniel Drew one day.
Yess that drone scene is one of my favourite of casey. Just the simplicity and the reality of the suspension
There are so many useful takeaways in this video. You're telling a story about telling stories, while completely engaging the audience. I know I felt engaged. Thanks for sharing your insights and ideas.
Wow, thank you!
A really interesting comparation. It's really impotant for all beginner editors know this general differences. Excellent job!
Oh my, I'm currently enrolled in Casey Neistat's film course and loving it. I came across your channel, it's so helpful.
Isn’t a lot of youtube style a consequence of having less interesting images? If you have a movie budget with a camera man, lighting, actors, etc, your image is “interesting” longer than if you’re shooting statically yourself. To me, that’s more important than RUclipsrs being ADD or lacking story sense - they just have worse images with a shorter half life (by necessity).
Yeah I definitely think this plays into it
who say says you cant find interesting things to film for no money with your imagination or skill skies the limit
@@NatureRecycleFlorida EXACTLY!! Claire Marshall is a PERFECT example of this her ability to fulm herself is incredible
Less interesting images do not have to transcend into a message crammed into a fast cut turd of a mess like "Imakeshitjustforthesakeoffillingupthegoddaminternet". If someones only way to make a video interesting is by fast cutting.... maybe the reason to make the video is... none?
Less interesting images, but not due to a lack of equipment. Content creators use quick cuts in bulk as a way to cover up lack of content.
And if they call themselves doing something more than that, it's often only paired with slow motion pan one way, cut. Slow motion pan the other way, cut.
Repeat.
This is definitely one of the best and yet the most undiscovered editing video from this channel!
Glad you think so!
Watching for the second time since you posted 10 months ago. This is great, I really appreciate the info more now.
Loved this! You have really opened my eyes to the art of editing over this past year as I’ve launched my channel!
Being an editor myself, over a period of time I always get ahead of mind and think that I know everything I am ready to edit an entire hollywood level feature film,
but the moment Sven drops a video, BAM! I feel like i know nothing, I am just another beginner/rookie/ametur and there is long way to go.
meaning that there is so much more to learn , its like an ocean to discover and I am still at the shore, keeeps me grounded, brings me back to where I am suppose to be mentally.
Just love your videos man, havent watch your any film yet. If by any chance you read this comment, could you please us all the film/series/MV have you edited.I would love to watch them(1 i know is The End Of Love) .
Thanks and Love from India!
Glad you get something out of the channel. You can check my films out here svenpape.com
Thank you for this channel. I was holding my breath during the Casey Neistat video while he lowered the hook to get the drone. Great editing.
Miss having your class. Thanks for the great insight!
That drop of sweat ending was such a good 'leave them wanting more' choice :)
You remind me with every video that I can be better and that there is so much that I can learn! Thank you so much!
I have been enjoying how much ground this video covers in under 14 minutes without itself being frenetic. It's pretty meta itself in that respect. - Dave
Keep doing this! It's so interesting to learn
I rarely comment on anyone's yt but when I do, it's because I like your soothing voice, the interesting way you tell a story about someone else's story and as an aspiring Editor, you are very inspiring... Its 7am, I'm drinking my Coffee and watching this is the best thing... Thank you for all the amazing content you make...
Thank you! 😊
This is exactly the content I was hoping pump into! Very useful for a small creator like me.
Awesome insights and great video!
I'd love to see you do a video on more recent RUclips editing styles, like from RADAL and Twomad. They're pushing the limits of break-neck editing speeds and constant eye candy.
I am a film editing student from India. Thank you so much for your insights on editing. It is very helpful. Hope one day I can be your patreon member and learn more.
RUclips editing reminds me of fast pace fight scene editing and action setpieces
I agree but I think "RUclips editing" can mean so many things! It can be video essays, tutorials, reviews, vlogs, compilations, sketches, and so much more!
Each genre has its own subgenre and sub-subgenre!
E.g. Mark Rober's video style is different from I Like To Make Stuff even though they're both "build videos"
or, Patrick Willems' videos are different than Nerdwriter1's videos even though they're both "video essays"
TL;DR: you bring up some good points and the media and styles can be so vast an nuanced
This was really an informative video. It clearly differentiated between RUclips vlogs and traditional filmmaking!
Dude... first time I have seen you..... Learned a ton..... great content.
Really amazing content. Thanks for your insight. Loved it.
Awesome video, as you always do Sven...I think RUclips has specifically managed to develop its own format ... something that people already recognize as "YouTub-ish". And if you can integrate this with some drama, there is success.
Very interesting video. I create youtube videos but am also interested in long form, narrative based pieces so it was great to hear your analysis on the topic. You just earned a sub!
This is truly informative and helpful! We’re trying to find the balance between film and youtube edits because we wanna make short films, but we’re making them for our youtube audience. Thanks for this video!
Shaping content for the media stream! Cheers Guy!!
i’ve been thinking about this a lot in terms of gameplay and twitch videos - i pretty much record my twitch streams so i can edit them into gaming videos and navigating that editing language has been interesting, because nobody really talks about it.
and unrelated, but I was watching a ludwig video that was an edit of one of his live twitch gameshows, and it was a strange watch because, while the stream was hilarious and the edit was filled with fun stuff and gags, the gameshow format kinda created this interesting dilemma where it was shot and staged like a traditional TV gameshow but edited like a youtube vlog - it was jarring but interesting to see a Jeopardy setup but with youtube style jump cuts and zooms and gags.
it’s still a great video, but as streaming and youtube content continues to escalate like that, it becomes interesting to see these two worlds kinda merge. it confuses my brain to watch, and i’m having a lot of fun trying to figure out how to edit it
Been loving your videos! Thank you!
Glad you like them!
Such a great analysis. I've thought a lot about this when I edit and I'm thinking KEEP THEIR ATTENTION! JUMP CUT! PATTERN INTERRUPT! L-CUT! J-CUT! THINK OF THE RETENTION GRAPH! It's tiring. At the end of the day, the video IS more engaging but sometimes could use a little more breathing room. Most of my content is education focused; working to find ways to incorporate more storytelling into it.
Boom!
"david dobrik, he's still trending!" oh boy that aged well
I don't touch the trending tab since it's hot trash. Is he out of it? Please tell me the beauty channels died out as well. Please, please, please.
@@Richard_Bumblebee he got cancelled cos he's toxic and enabled someone who sexually assaulted a minor
Fantastic Video it's always interesting to hear your reasoning behind something and because you edit for both you really know the difference thanks for sharing your knowledge much appreciated
Glad you enjoyed it!
I watched the edit out of breath. Which by itself kinda blows my mind - removing breath to speed it up. But then I was struck by how awesome a pro is at quickly making changes. Leading me the mind blowing meta thought that the edits were themselves edited. 😂😂😂
They have been indeed :)
I learned a lot from this (and from all your videos). Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the fast pace and shaky footage styles from youtube vlogs are making their way into mainstream cinema and TV. I almost wonder if it's going too far as sometimes it can be hard to watch if the camera is too shaky on the big screen.
Thank for that comparison of Casey Neistat lost drone drama to mission impossible. Brilliant.
Very valuable information here! Thank you so much!
Great video.. I really enjoy your content. Have you ever done a video explaining J Cuts, L Cuts, and so on?
Just found your channel, and i want to voice that is just next level. great information, very well narrated, and just CLASS. a real gem! thank you very much! ps: i would actually love to watch more videos on you breaking down youtube edits. is there a lot of that on your patreon? or if you have other videos you recommend from your channel
mate your channel is an absolute gem !! thanks !
I appreciate that!
The anime Fire Force uses a lot of jump cuts, especially jarring in dialogue. It gives the show a very snappy energetic feel to the show. And since it's animation everything is intentional.
this is so helpful and educational,,,keep up the good work
Films are basically a recording of two or more characters on screen, with the viewer passively looking on as an unacknowledged third party. The edits are slower-paced to allow the viewer to keep up, in service of the story being told.
Whereas RUclips is a dialogue between the person on-screen and the viewer being a present but non-interacting part of the conversation; the presenter is looking right into the camera, which is the proxy for the viewer.
RUclips editing, to me, is informed by these two aspects - first, jump-cuts are analogous to blinking; jump-cuts where the viewpoint doesn't change or only changes minimally feel natural to us because in a conversation we blink and our head moves around a little, our eyes aren't mounted onto rigid tripods. This is why handheld cameras are popular in TV cooking shows, to increaser the feeling of presence in the viewer.
And secondly, the sensation of rapid and escalating information is informed culturally by TV home shopping networks, where the up-tempo pacing and increasing information overload helps push the sale. Young RUclipsrs will have absorbed this technique via osmosis to make their clips more compelling.
And pragmatically, jump-cuts allow the less eloquent RUclipsrs to trim out all the 'umm', 'ahh' and other hesitations in their monologue, democratising content creation.
Great video analysis
As a editor i understand the reason for the way youtube vids are cut but as a viewer i absolutely hate jumpers. Nice vid!
This was an educational comparison. I’m always torn between “Do I cut this like my film professor taught me?” Or, “Do I cut this RUclips style?” Your insights are always spot on. Thanks.
Often we get limits when we do RUclips vlog or video , such as lack of budget for lighting or have no assistant to operate camera .But we get benefits too, do what we want the content to be , although it's tough to really develop a video by self .When you share the same view ,or thoughts with others who may have the same idea or experience, that all the suffer turns into joy.
Thanks for the insights
Great video and topic!
I would like it if you tried making a short movie in the vein of a RUclips video. Like the editing style, camera work and a sense that the story wasn’t planned at all.
this is such an interesting topic!! wanted to do sth similar for my bachelor’s thesis
I love this, it annoys me to no end when people who make RUclips videos, promos, and commercials, call themselves filmmakers. Those things take tons of talent, and I could not do it but they are not filmmakers,
great video, love it !
It seems to me that the essential difference between the RUclips video of the 'new house' and the Boogie Nights scene is that the former is attempting to convey a sense of what exploring the space is like in terms of moments, whereas the movie scene is establishing characters and relationships, and needs continuity so that emphasis can fall where it's intended. Something that gets more time warrants more attention. The house exploration isn't trying to prioritize all the cool things - it's trying to overwhelm you with how many of them there are.
Reminds me of when I went to work for a youtube creator as the editor for his channel. My first introduction into the fast pace choppy style of editing
Interesting!
Love your channel
Holy shit I never realised fast paced those cut vlogs are
RUclips/r has 2 meanings, a style and/or a location.
A "RUclipsr" can be a style of delivery ("Hey guys, welcome back to my channel"), and/or it can just be videos of any style that happen to be on RUclips as it is the dominant (non sexual) online video platform.
This was an eye opener thank you
There was 3 ads and 1 sponsored but did not made me skip. Because it as worth it
Thanks for this great knowledge and also for not wasting my time.
Please upload more frequently. We need you🥺🥺🥺🥺
You left me in the middle of the rescue mission ,
Now I have to go and watch the drone video even tho I've watched it multiple times.
Cant continue my day like this....
Great info
Thanks!
There’s a book by a famous TV producer in Britain called conflict. It’s Jamie Oliver’s producer. He’s write about conflict and jeopardy in stories. It sums up that drone video perfectly and I wouldn’t be surprised if Casey has read that book as he used to work in entertainment TV too.
I like Jamie's work. I'll have to look for his book.
great video perspective thanks!
Another way to put it. One thing is editing and another is 'montage' or as you mentioned, film editing, both are really different.
7:17 Wow! Thanks 👍 a million, I will be using this trick from now on in all my video
Wow I learned about editing youtube videos and film, thanks man great vid
Great to hear!
OH my LORD - You LITERALLY MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD AT 3:07 😂
As you mention about Casey Neistat as reference... you should check out Tom Sachs: 10 Bullets... which directed by Casey's brother, Van Neistat.
Funny that you say that, I never noticed it but I do cut as soon as I stop talking in fact I cut the end of the word off. As in look at this is look at thi/ or next is nex/ before a quick B-roll splash thing and re engage with me starting to talk again. I do the same with my How To type videos as well as my camera in your face stuff. Nothing super or great, but do not give people time to click away from the video talk, talk, talk etc. etc. etc.
I find it really interesting comparison. It’s like comparing a beetle to F1 car type of driving, they are both cars but complete different machines.
I wonder why you didn’t go for reality tv on cable tv, I think that’s closer to RUclips.
In film they have weeks and months to plan a scene, there is blocking of the scene, lighting changes and huge budgets. On RUclips, unless you had a background in film, you only got a few dudes who are filming around.
Also when you sit down to watch a movie, you make a commitment to watch the full movie.
On RUclips...the commitment is less, and vloggers don’t have much time to think of the story of their video.
Think of Christopher Nolan and his brother thinking,planning and working on a story for years!
Vloggers most of the time do it backwards, they shoot their day or events and then at the end of the day they get their footage and think ...how do I edit this to make it interesting.
If youtubers edited like people do for film, we would get way less content.
Editing it’s hard.
It is interesting that the edits in YT videos you refer to for the most part seem to make the tension or excitement or drama or even story that are otherwise absent in the video, to begin with. In my opinion, it's slower times and "breathing" times where the actor/director/editor combo can help the viewer become invested in the character. In most YT videos, there is no investment and thus makes it easy to simply click away.
Now in the case of Casey's material, and specifically the one you show, he is trying to tell a story. It's the conquest story. We become invested. We want him to get his drone. We are actually on the journey to get the drone with him or maybe for him. That is different than the silliness of other YT video types where it's a brief(er) moment of mere simple escapism I would easily lose interest in.
On a completely other note, Tom Cruise really runs a lot in his movies, doesn't he?
I agree, I just want to add that there's countless "genres" here on RUclips, and what's shown here is just a few examples. There are plenty of RUclips videos with "breathing spaces", they just aren't on the trending page.
Also your comment got me thinking. In movies and Casey's vid that has an arc, the story and the characters makes the personality that you invest in. While in vlog type videos that don't have a strong arc, especially with very noticeable editing style, the editing sort of becomes their personality (because as you said, half of their "actual personality" is taken out in editing). If they edit in a hyper way, then they become a hyper RUclipsr. If they edit in a chill way, perhaps with some chill music in the background, then you become a chill RUclipsr. I don't know if that makes sense, it makes sense in my head.
Awesome, man! I'm no editor, but I make youtube videos. You taught me so much with this video. New sub here.
Casey my absolute favorite RUclipsr, his brother Van is great too!
Your videos always give me insight. Thank you
Glad to hear it!
I'm glad i watched this, thank you sir
5:52 I think there’s a match cut right when she jumps into the pool.
I love this. I am putting it in my private playlist👍👍