Oh even the fukn Cure shocked people back then!! Killing an Arab!! Not all was a joy to be a teenager back then, but bits of it were immaculate.. like this!! Why it's called post punk or whatever these days is beyond me. Fukn Maclaren had used the new wave pigeonhole... at the time we saw it as all one thing.
Ian has the coolest awkward dance moves of all time! Plus, his haunting voice and eyes. What a difference he has made in the 2 albums he has contributed to. Imagine if he were still alive today. The music scene would have been so much better. Truly an icon.
he would be destroyed for his right leaning politics, which takes aim at art, music, journalists, educators and anyone...flirting with nazi imagery, even as a collector or historian, is more ammo that is usually need. his wife wrote he voted for thatcher! lydon doesnt mind, i dont think they would have conquered the us market with the strange curtis up front.
@@DaveAnchovies also wouldnt right-leaning politics that take aim at art, music, journalist, and educators just be calling them all Jewish elites. are his lyrics actually right-wing? genuinely want to know
@@districtbruh5742 Nah, his songs don't refer to any sort of politics, Ian used music as a way to express himself since he was quite silent and introverted in everyday life... I assume that politics must've been the least of his worries when he had epilepsy, a daughter, a wife and a music career to take care of, all of which overwhelmed him in the end and lead to his tragic end.
I’m 22 and lately I’ve been infatuated with punk and post punk. This album has quickly become my fav. It’s so personal but so universal at the same time, it’s beautiful.
@@quetepasaclarin11 joy division was a nazi camp that would rape their victims but none of the musicians were nazi's it was just part of the OI! Scene in that time
@@quetepasaclarin11 Nope. Historically, a not-uncommon military practice was the provision of prostitutes for troops, as it was seen as a way to increase morale / vitality. And plus, up until the 1960s, women were technically just Objects, incapable of having their own thoughts or feelings, until they were sexually liberated by JFK and LBJ (who heroically took it upon themselves to bang out every single lady real good), and then they figured out how to burn bras, which were actually mind-control devices. Uhh, my memory is a bit shaky; some of this might not be completely true. But the prostitutes provided to soldiers was a real thing. The Nazis were one of the most recent examples of this practice, and the military camp brothels were referred to as “Joy Divisions”... It’s not one specific place where they raped victims. The Nazis were no angels, to be sure, but this was legitimate sex work..: and I’m sure the sex workers had total autonomy in their career choice, and were self-empowered, etc. etc. The band was using the moniker sardonically/ ironically. They weren’t associated with Oi/skinhead bullshit, besides the incidental overlapping timeframe. But seriously tho, fuck Nazis. And the commenter above spouting conspiracy theories about “Jewish propaganda” is just a fucking ding-dong, who’s got a floppy sack of unsweetened applesauce packed into his skull. No thoughts. ... Just the applesauce.
@@RZPPAA no we learnt about it at school, it’s not as though they wanted to go into prostitution but some women were so poor that really they had no other option - i suppose technically it was a choice tho
Very much in the same vain as Iggy pop who inspired Ian heavily. Velvets/fugs set the path with protopunk in the mid 60’s then the Stooges inventing straight up punk in raw power but technically tv eye or 1970 work just as well, later Bowie and Iggy invented post punk with The Idiot when everyone else was figuring out wtf punk even was.
No band that has come before or after JOY Division has touched the pit of my soul or sent shivers down my spine the way this band has. 45 yrs later and they are still doing it. For me the greatest band that has ever existed.
Ian Curtis was one of those rare people who just has something special about them. He was so charismatic & captivating without even having to try. It’s hard to put it into words how you feel when listening & watching him he simply draws you in & is mesmerizing.
i look back and I still don't understand it. this was a time of prog rock, disco, new wave was just appearing, new romantics started strutting their stuff and along comes this music, fucking game changer.
@@DaveAnchovies do people think the pistols didn’t matter? I mean I personally think they sound like shit (I say this as someone who’s been into punk for years) but it’s impossible to deny how influential they were
I love how Barney didn't want to be upstaged by the singer and so did his own little dance too from 3:25-3:38 - it looks like he wanted to be a member of The Shadows!
Beatles и Buzzcocks просто нервно курят в сторонке, если видят всю мощь искренности Иэна. Поэт. На нашем языке так и не понял, как правильно называть его: толи Ян, толи Йен, толи Иэн, просто помолится за его душу хотелось. А душа у него искренняя - настоящая. Храни, Господи, этого мученика, пожалуйста
We're very lucky that this even exists. Buzzcocks' first ever TV appearance, on Granada Reports in April 1977 performing Boredom (which Tony Wilson references in this clip) no longer exists. I can easily imagine this performance being a long-lost legendary clip. nb Public Image Ltd's performance on Granada Reports from June 1979 of Death Disco is also missing.
They used to tape over old tapes, anything seen as not historic or culturally influential was scrubbed unfortunately. Wdve loved to have seen Buzzcocks or PiL.
I've seen a photo of Buzzcocks at the Russell Club with a TV camera clearly visible wonder if that exists. It'd be great to have footage of that venue.
To the center of the city where all roads meet, waiting for you, To the depths of the ocean where all hopes sank, searching for you, I was moving through the silence without motion, waiting for you, In a room with a window in the corner I found truth. In the shadowplay, acting out your own death, knowing no more, As the assassins all grouped in four lines, dancing on the floor, And with cold steel, odor on their bodies mad a move to connect, But I could only stare in disbelief as the crowds all left. I did everything, everything I wanted to, I let them use you for their own ends, To the center of the city in the night, waiting for you. To the center of the city in the night, waiting for you.
@@andrewtozerfineart9623I kinda thought of it as the life of a hitman for the British Mafia from the perspective of the hitman but thats just what it seemed like to me
One of their greatest songs. Literate, timeless, ultimately uncategorisable. And I love the way the footage is overlaid. Vehicles look more American than Mancunian but it doesn’t matter.
I used to think Ian danced so crazy but the more I listen and watch I honestly think he’s not trying to dance at all. It’s like he can’t help it, it just happens to him because of the music.
Wow! This is great. I've never seen the Bob Greaves intro before. This is the best quality I've seen of this clip. Strangely, the recent 'New Order: Decades' documentary shown last weekend had this clip in fairly poor quality. Many thanks for the upload / upscale.
DUDE this is absolutely fucking incredible ! The quality looks outstanding ! Joy divisions my favorite band and this just made my week ! All I gotta say is thanks for everything you've done on this channel 👍🏻 !
Their music really captures the essence of grey, of November, of brutalist and functionalist architecture, of the longing for something, anything else than the absence of hope.
@@TheNsk3000 I think he meant musically. The only gothic thing about the Banshees was Siouxsie's look and Bauhaus were directly influenced by Joy Division.
joy division es una genialidad de la musica inglesa dentro de una gran cantidad de bandas asombrosas que han dado al mundo , pero JD es especial , es mas que musica , tiene un aura mistica , terrorifica , dificil de explicar , cada cancion es como la banda sonora de una pelicula de terror , parece que algo va a suceder con la siguiente nota , en especial me pasa con los temas de unknown pleasures .gracias por esta remasterizacion , le hace justicia a tamaña banda .
I would presume this exists in broadcast (perfect?) quality in the ITV Archive? Anybody? The ITV Archive is based on Kirkstall Road in Leeds near me, so I could always pop in...
Superb bit of restoration work. Well done. But there's no way on earth it's 1080p. Even 480p is pushing it. Unless you found the missing 1.8million pixels down the back of the sofa or something.
These were recorded on film cameras. You could even Remaster it to 4k. Look at the Remastered Beatles videos for example, the quality is as good as you'll see on modern videos
@@haywoodjblome4768 If it was recorded to film, then it's unlikely you're looking at a restoration from film, because then it would have been restored to 4K. This was probably re-recorded to tape and the original film lost (Assuming there ever even was a film copy). So no, you could not restore this footage to the fidelity of 4K. If it was recorded to VHS tape for example, then there's only 240 lines of information to use. Perhaps ITV's archival tape was higher resolution, I don't know.
It never resolves. It’s always like, what am I looking at? And then on most tunes every instrument is basically soloing all the time. It’s just so weird. The whole thing was just so unique and weird.
Can you imagine this coming on the telly in 1978? Wow.
Oh even the fukn Cure shocked people back then!! Killing an Arab!!
Not all was a joy to be a teenager back then, but bits of it were immaculate.. like this!!
Why it's called post punk or whatever these days is beyond me.
Fukn Maclaren had used the new wave pigeonhole... at the time we saw it as all one thing.
There was plenty of music that would do that at the time. Velvet underground predates this by over a decade
Early evening too.....around 6pm
Only 14 years earlier, Sister Rosetta Tharpe was playing "Didn't It Rain?" on Grenada TV. Incredible evolution of this genre
Ian has the coolest awkward dance moves of all time! Plus, his haunting voice and eyes. What a difference he has made in the 2 albums he has contributed to. Imagine if he were still alive today. The music scene would have been so much better. Truly an icon.
he would be destroyed for his right leaning politics, which takes aim at art, music, journalists, educators and anyone...flirting with nazi imagery, even as a collector or historian, is more ammo that is usually need. his wife wrote he voted for thatcher! lydon doesnt mind, i dont think they would have conquered the us market with the strange curtis up front.
@@DaveAnchovies good, fucking fascist especially since he voted for thacter absolute piece of shit. still love his music tho lmao
@@DaveAnchovies also wouldnt right-leaning politics that take aim at art, music, journalist, and educators just be calling them all Jewish elites. are his lyrics actually right-wing? genuinely want to know
here's the thing...isn't it mind blowing to know that Ian being that he was so humble and naturally withdrawn was not yet aware of his own greatness?
@@districtbruh5742 Nah, his songs don't refer to any sort of politics, Ian used music as a way to express himself since he was quite silent and introverted in everyday life... I assume that politics must've been the least of his worries when he had epilepsy, a daughter, a wife and a music career to take care of, all of which overwhelmed him in the end and lead to his tragic end.
This song is literally 45 years old, it came out 25 years before I was even born. It still sounds brand new. Insane.
I’m 22 and lately I’ve been infatuated with punk and post punk. This album has quickly become my fav. It’s so personal but so universal at the same time, it’s beautiful.
I was 23 when this dropped. Good music is eternal.
it sounds very the era
@@layditms2 Their sound became so influentiual. How many other bands sounded like this in the mid-seventies, though? Not talking about 1979 onwards.
"They were called Warsaw, but Joy Division has a nicer ring to it"
If only he knew what it means
What it meant then?
@@quetepasaclarin11 joy division was a nazi camp that would rape their victims but none of the musicians were nazi's it was just part of the OI! Scene in that time
@@quetepasaclarin11 Nope. Historically, a not-uncommon military practice was the provision of prostitutes for troops, as it was seen as a way to increase morale / vitality. And plus, up until the 1960s, women were technically just Objects, incapable of having their own thoughts or feelings, until they were sexually liberated by JFK and LBJ (who heroically took it upon themselves to bang out every single lady real good), and then they figured out how to burn bras, which were actually mind-control devices.
Uhh, my memory is a bit shaky; some of this might not be completely true. But the prostitutes provided to soldiers was a real thing. The Nazis were one of the most recent examples of this practice, and the military camp brothels were referred to as “Joy Divisions”...
It’s not one specific place where they raped victims. The Nazis were no angels, to be sure, but this was legitimate sex work..: and I’m sure the sex workers had total autonomy in their career choice, and were self-empowered, etc. etc.
The band was using the moniker sardonically/ ironically. They weren’t associated with Oi/skinhead bullshit, besides the incidental overlapping timeframe.
But seriously tho, fuck Nazis. And the commenter above spouting conspiracy theories about “Jewish propaganda” is just a fucking ding-dong, who’s got a floppy sack of unsweetened applesauce packed into his skull.
No thoughts.
... Just the applesauce.
@@RZPPAA no we learnt about it at school, it’s not as though they wanted to go into prostitution but some women were so poor that really they had no other option - i suppose technically it was a choice tho
@@jesseperera8735 wtf you talkin about oi and joy division?!
You know why this music hasn't aged a single day? Because it's the blueprint for everything that came after itself.
Right on. Way ahead of it's time
Talking Heads was before.
@@MrBamcito Talking Heads are the enemy.
Very much in the same vain as Iggy pop who inspired Ian heavily. Velvets/fugs set the path with protopunk in the mid 60’s then the Stooges inventing straight up punk in raw power but technically tv eye or 1970 work just as well, later Bowie and Iggy invented post punk with The Idiot when everyone else was figuring out wtf punk even was.
Very well put, indeed.
As a young 20-something ex-GI, tired of war, rebellious, and pissed at the world, this was the music we were looking for. Long live Joy Division.
@@pennywise5095 Air Force. Early 70s.
@@cosmogmanair force 😂
@@1888gp cmon kid, have some respect
No band that has come before or after JOY Division has touched the pit of my soul or sent shivers down my spine the way this band has.
45 yrs later and they are still doing it.
For me the greatest band that has ever existed.
Same
Cheers friend
Ian Curtis was one of those rare people who just has something special about them. He was so charismatic & captivating without even having to try. It’s hard to put it into words how you feel when listening & watching him he simply draws you in & is mesmerizing.
The initial speech, the zoom-out, Ian pose, iconic.
That guitar hook is absolute legend
Actually Hook was the bassist. Ahahahaha!
What a beautiful man who made beautiful music...
Thanks Ian and Joy Division, you are missed..
2024
The quality of both image and sound is phenomenal. Thank you ever so much for posting this wonderful, monumental performance in such quality
Definitely an improvement, but the color is also definitely oversaturated now.
sounds like a lip synched version, mainly because bernie isnt missing notes...
i look back and I still don't understand it. this was a time of prog rock, disco, new wave was just appearing, new romantics started strutting their stuff and along comes this music, fucking game changer.
Joy division is what happens when the first wave of British punk meets Martin hannet lol
@@bigcheese2128 they, mostly, met from attending a Pistols show. so if you dont think the Pistols mattered...think harder.
@@DaveAnchovies do people think the pistols didn’t matter? I mean I personally think they sound like shit (I say this as someone who’s been into punk for years) but it’s impossible to deny how influential they were
They impressed the host so much that he created a record label just to release their debut album.
Just damn. Dark as hell, intense as ever.
This is Perfection, Reflection, Deception, Infliction, Self-Perception. And Haunting
"Joy Division has a nicer ring" Absolutely! It's a very cute and charming name especially when you know the story behind it.
still has a nicer ring to it nonetheless
Very few bands have musicians and singers who really are on point, the Smiths and Joy Division were on it.
Morrissey is the worst part of the Smiths, though
@@georgejpg not everybody’s choice, a proper Marmite man. But added to the rest of the band it just worked brilliantly.
Yes Morrissey is an absolute genius
Throw The Cure in there and you’ve got the trifecta 👌🏼
The jam aswel
I love how Barney didn't want to be upstaged by the singer and so did his own little dance too from 3:25-3:38 - it looks like he wanted to be a member of The Shadows!
Bernard is so precious
Barney ....its there to see ....his agenda worked .... cunt
"the singer"
@@okkcomputer Yes, the singer - his mate!
The singer and guitarist
Нереальная тоска, глубочайшая тоска от его поэзии и вокала, но вместе с этим дикое желание танцевать. Чертова гениальность!!!!
Just read the story of the singer of this band. Very heartbreaking stuff. Their music is awesome. I’m a new fan
Me too. Joy Division rock. The movie called "CONTROL" is worth checking out too. Sam Riley's portrayal of Ian Curtis is brilliant.
@@PRIS555 thanks I’ll look into it !!
Beatles и Buzzcocks просто нервно курят в сторонке, если видят всю мощь искренности Иэна. Поэт. На нашем языке так и не понял, как правильно называть его: толи Ян, толи Йен, толи Иэн, просто помолится за его душу хотелось. А душа у него искренняя - настоящая. Храни, Господи, этого мученика, пожалуйста
slavs have a special kind of love for Joy Division
I think Russians above everyone can feel his deep sincerity and truth, love from England
Such a powerful performance. So sad he left us.
We're very lucky that this even exists. Buzzcocks' first ever TV appearance, on Granada Reports in April 1977 performing Boredom (which Tony Wilson references in this clip) no longer exists. I can easily imagine this performance being a long-lost legendary clip. nb Public Image Ltd's performance on Granada Reports from June 1979 of Death Disco is also missing.
Unfortunately a tonne of television history is missing from Britain’s archives
They used to tape over old tapes, anything seen as not historic or culturally influential was scrubbed unfortunately.
Wdve loved to have seen Buzzcocks or PiL.
I've seen a photo of Buzzcocks at the Russell Club with a TV camera clearly visible wonder if that exists. It'd be great to have footage of that venue.
@@GriefTourist Yes, I don't think there's any footage of any band performing at the Russell Club from that time.
To the center of the city where all roads meet, waiting for you,
To the depths of the ocean where all hopes sank, searching for you,
I was moving through the silence without motion, waiting for you,
In a room with a window in the corner I found truth.
In the shadowplay, acting out your own death, knowing no more,
As the assassins all grouped in four lines, dancing on the floor,
And with cold steel, odor on their bodies mad a move to connect,
But I could only stare in disbelief as the crowds all left.
I did everything, everything I wanted to,
I let them use you for their own ends,
To the center of the city in the night, waiting for you.
To the center of the city in the night, waiting for you.
Wonder what he meant? We were always searching for the hidden meaning of his lyrics.
Is he describing playing with Death?
I think this is about the crucifixion? I may be wrong
@@andrewtozerfineart9623I kinda thought of it as the life of a hitman for the British Mafia from the perspective of the hitman but thats just what it seemed like to me
One of their greatest songs. Literate, timeless, ultimately uncategorisable. And I love the way the footage is overlaid. Vehicles look more American than Mancunian but it doesn’t matter.
Footage is from a Granada World in Action report into the CIA I believe.
Yes the footage is of Washington DC
Cheers.
Still amazing and fresh now in 2024!! Ian Curtis is so special !! I’ve only heard realised how good he was .
I used to think Ian danced so crazy but the more I listen and watch I honestly think he’s not trying to dance at all. It’s like he can’t help it, it just happens to him because of the music.
He just feel music another then us...
goddamn 40 years...
nazi punk, fuck off
@@фрактур based
45 mate!!!!!
@@woriguela6360aguante bocanada
Wow! This is great. I've never seen the Bob Greaves intro before. This is the best quality I've seen of this clip. Strangely, the recent 'New Order: Decades' documentary shown last weekend had this clip in fairly poor quality. Many thanks for the upload / upscale.
The late 70's was a great era for music for me personally.Possibly 1979 being the greatest year for albums too
We all come back here, for this. Keeps the beat in the heart going
I’m sick today so I decided to wake n’ bake. Watching this hits different stoned 🧉
Fucking iconic
One of the best bands ever
DUDE this is absolutely fucking incredible ! The quality looks outstanding ! Joy divisions my favorite band and this just made my week ! All I gotta say is thanks for everything you've done on this channel 👍🏻 !
my favourite piece of music video. Summed up the bleakness of late 70s Manchester, little did they know how iconic this would become
4:15
"Avenues, all lined with trees
Picture me and then you start watching
Watching forever
Watching forever"
All of them, so fantastic.
Ian Curtis was a legend. R.I.P😭❤
Beauty remaster. Tears on my eyes. The most iconic Band of all time.
We were the kids in Soviet Union in 1989. We rehearsed in the Radio Factory. Joy Division were our BEATLES somehow.
Their music really captures the essence of grey, of November, of brutalist and functionalist architecture, of the longing for something, anything else than the absence of hope.
This world misses you Ian
This is brilliant quality... excellent work..
Fantastic, what an anger riff! Yeahhhhhh
This song got me out of a dark corner in life.
Superb quality and most complete version I've seen so far...without annoying overlays, too!
Love how at the end of the clip, the MC even knew that they were on some shit.
The start of the Goth Culture.. Greatness
Paul F is give that more of thatccredit to siouxsie and the banshees and Bauhaus but they were all influenced by the pistols
@@TheNsk3000 I think he meant musically. The only gothic thing about the Banshees was Siouxsie's look and Bauhaus were directly influenced by Joy Division.
Tx Ian for my youth. I love you. R.I.P.
F...kiiiinnnn absolutely killin it ground edged cutting this was way ahead of time rest now Ian C
The T.V. introducer obviously didn't know the meaning of "Joy Division" when he proclaimed it had a nicer ring to it....
Lots of people enjoy prostitution. Mostly men dough...
Bob Greaves and Tony Wilson.
I wonder if Bob realised at the time he was witnessing a major, important, culture changing point in time.
Imagine hearing that song for the first time in 78.A lucky few did.
Excellent perfomance
joy division es una genialidad de la musica inglesa dentro de una gran cantidad de bandas asombrosas que han dado al mundo , pero JD es especial , es mas que musica , tiene un aura mistica , terrorifica , dificil de explicar , cada cancion es como la banda sonora de una pelicula de terror , parece que algo va a suceder con la siguiente nota , en especial me pasa con los temas de unknown pleasures .gracias por esta remasterizacion , le hace justicia a tamaña banda .
I would presume this exists in broadcast (perfect?) quality in the ITV Archive? Anybody? The ITV Archive is based on Kirkstall Road in Leeds near me, so I could always pop in...
Get yourself in lad
JOY DIVISION FOREVER TY for posting this gem.
I love this dark sound and jd is one of the best!
Hi Tony, nice meeting you in the Cheshire Lines pub a few years ago
Hunting, lost, sparce and perfect. Why did you have to deprive us of yourself Ian?
First thing I'm going to do whenever I die, it's talk to the genius behind this, Curtis.
Shadowplay My favorite
The best version of this song
The triple overlay at 3:49 is a great shot.
I was at over 30 Warsaw/ JD gigs and tomorrow its 41 years since we lost Ian.
Rub it in you bastard!!
Ha! Jokin mate.. you lucky bastard!!
I was chuffed getting the Warsaw ep for fukall in early 79!!!
This was amazing... cheers from Argentina!
What a talent new order was and joy division too ❤🙏🙌
Superb bit of restoration work. Well done. But there's no way on earth it's 1080p. Even 480p is pushing it. Unless you found the missing 1.8million pixels down the back of the sofa or something.
i did i just found them they are here with me come over
These were recorded on film cameras. You could even Remaster it to 4k. Look at the Remastered Beatles videos for example, the quality is as good as you'll see on modern videos
@@haywoodjblome4768 yeah, this is just vhs copy
@@haywoodjblome4768 If it was recorded to film, then it's unlikely you're looking at a restoration from film, because then it would have been restored to 4K. This was probably re-recorded to tape and the original film lost (Assuming there ever even was a film copy). So no, you could not restore this footage to the fidelity of 4K. If it was recorded to VHS tape for example, then there's only 240 lines of information to use. Perhaps ITV's archival tape was higher resolution, I don't know.
Almost 46 years! Wow time flies!!!
Definitive and fecking awesome!
An artist. Dug in deep and mined his soul. That is why they were influential.
Ian is the coolest man, holy shit
Man Hooky looked so badass back in the day
Who's still jamming this in 2022?
Thank you Ian sir.
thank you!
Arte e luz- é fantastico
Great, thank you!
I think they are wonderful,,, x x
Thank a lot for this hight quality vidéo
rest in peace Ian!
FANTASTIC
This has a cool garage rock vibe to it 👍
Excelentes!!!!!!🎶🎶🎶
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I love Ian's shoes.
Amazing. Love it! Ian RIP
"A nicer ring to it"...nothing further from the truth.
wow those 6 people that disliked that song are really sad human being :(
Just awesome.
Unknown Pleasures Best Album Ever
Hooky literally looks about 40 here
And Barney looks 16
Hook*
@@ill8485 hooky is his nickname......
Made my day
And just like that music changed
It never resolves. It’s always like, what am I looking at? And then on most tunes every instrument is basically soloing all the time. It’s just so weird. The whole thing was just so unique and weird.
Amazing - Thanks !
как же это прекрасно
This is so fucking good.
And I loves Ian’s dance movies. Don’t care what anybody says!
what remaster,,,goddemned
Greatest. Ever. Rock band.
All the work that you are doing is absolutely amazing. Thank you for share!