I’ve put 160+ hours into Rebirth and I legitimately cannot give it anything less than a 9.5. The sheer amount of quality content (story, gameplay, side quests, mini games…etc) is too well done that I don’t think any of the issues marring the story can overshadow just how massive this game is. The gameplay loop is so well done, and even the side quests feel like main quests. I’ve beaten the game a few days ago so I’ve had time to sit on my thoughts, and I’ve landed on the fact that it’s one of the most robust and content filled games ever made. Even when you compare it to the Witcher 3, it’s even more well done. I seriously cannot stress enough, if you have a PS5 and you like action RPGs, this is the best action RPG ever made. The devs put so much love and care into it I cannot deny them that. I give it a 9.5/10, and the only reason is because the ending. I won’t spoil anything, but the ending was messy to say the least. Edit: one last thing, how could I forget, the soundtrack is the best soundtrack in a video game for me. It truly is incredible.
@@ntwynn That's a very charitable way of looking at things. Could be true, but I also get the sense they still handle Bless with kid gloves. He should be a better podcaster by now in this sense
@@anthonyealyjr8527 It’s crazy, Bless already went on for 5 minutes giving his score while everyone waited patiently. Imran just grabbed his hands and let him. I would have pushed back respectfully. Let the man finish his thoughts first.
@@B_ClemethyHe really needs to improve on that. It was understandable back in 2020, but he should be seasoned enough at this stage to not do this, I mean he's essentially the main host of KFGD now and he's still rambling like this?
Blessing needs to see this criticism. We are bagging on him but i agree with yall, Bless can still be better and not being too dominant in a conversation and allowing other people to talk.
Which is why I was interested in his opinion. Remake is the only FF game and only JRPG that i have ever connected with, so it is relevant to my experience.
@@teddyholiday8038 I’m not though. I saw your comment in which you posted on a public section and responded to it. You were just flat out wrong in what you said and instead of acknowledging that you just turn to deflect with “fanboy” like really?
@@caynebyron seriously do you all not know what opinions are? You took his opinion on a game so personally that you lost respect for him? You feeling it’s not in the top 10 is just as valid as him feeling it’s the best entry.
@@teddyholiday8038because I pointed that what you said was wrong I’m a blind fanboy? You must think you are beyond reproach and no one can say anything about what you say because then they are “blind fanboys”
A HUGE part of the OG game is the disconnect of exactly what Bless was talking about, "Why are we overlooking what's going on here?" and it resolves in the end. WHOA BABY that 3rd game!
I really think the original FF7 is best enjoyed by taking your time. Roger mainlining it in 40 hours and having the lowest score of the group makes sense, but it does sound like playing the minigames and exploration will make the experience so much better, as it did in the original.
Yeah, lets make excuses for a game none of us have played. Filler content should only add onto a great game, not make the game. I'm sure you'll cream your pants over this game when you play it, but Roger's experience is still valid.
@@ShaedStealer I only meant to speak to my experience with the original FF7 and theorizing how the experience might be for Rebirth. Roger's experience is totally valid and it is great to hear more perspectives with how big this game is
I really disliked Blessing‘s notion that games normally have to stick to one gameplay and that deviation from that results normally not in a good game. I miss games like FF7 that surprise you every now and then with new mini games and gameplay. And I think that the success of Yakuza/LikeaDragon and It takes two shows that games with such a variety of gameplay styles can be great and successful. Liked the different opinions and the discussion.
i respectfully disagree with Blessing's opinion on that as well but i'm not mad about it. I'm glad he likes what he likes and I like what I like. and i love finding the things in between that i have in common with people who don't share my own views. gives me perspective and reminds me that my opinion is not the only one that matters. great discussion overall!
It's the downfall of this format if you don't have carefully constructed notes and specific beats planned out. Otherwise an hour long + podcast review is just gonna turn into a yap session
@@phillystevesteak6982 The whole they left things unanswered take, it a trilogy. YOu dont go watching a tv show or movie saying aww man they didnt complete everything in this episode or movie, so why do that in a game that we have known for years is going to be a trilogy, its a dumbass take.
Kinda had whiplash seeing the game had a 93 on metacritic, getting super excited to listen to this discussion and then hearing them open with so many complaints about the game 😢 At least Tim seemed to love it
you can love something and still point out its faults. nothing is perfect. if all you wanted was a slurpfest and validation of your preconceived ideas, that is kind of sad........and funny
towers were on the trail. you rarely NEED to go out of your way to unlock them. and they just highlight the Chadley tasks whose entire design is to get you to explore each corner of the map they worked hard to designed. maybe there were a little too many but they are optional- if you don't want to do them or they bother you, just don't do them- and the rewards were great. took a lot of time but didn't feel like a waste.
“The reason I’m giving it a 3/5 is because there’s no ‘good’ on the scale” How many times does someone need to say something like this like this before they fix the scale?
Just beat the game and still haven’t been able to stop playing it and I agree with Tim here this game is incredible I loved it and it’s definitely one of my favs of all time now for sure
I think Tim shines here. Especially with his reserved way of speaking and interacting with the others. Everyone else constantly talking over eachother and cutting eachother off was slightly annoying in this. I get it for the bit sometimes. Or for certain situations. But this entire episode felt like people doing their best to be heard the most. Cutting eachother off and talking over eachother. Love KF. Keep it up otherwise.
Depends, some games do have a bit too much filler/walking simulator. Spiderman 2 felt like it had a bit too much for my liking. The deaf girl spray paint mission is an example. A few I don't mind, but at the point I was annoyed 😅
@@bluex610 I'll back you up here. If you want to get the platinum, you have to do it. I have the platinum in all three of the insomniac spidey games. Maybe it ruined my experience some.. but Spider-man 2 felt too bloated. I felt that way about the first game, but holy crap 2 made me feel better about 1 lol. Miles Morales is still my favorite so lean and awesome. And that game makes you beat it twice to get the plat and still felt like less of a slog lmao.
Yeah this is one of those game i'm not gonna gain much from a review, I know I like the gameplay so i'm going in for the story and that can't really be discussed without spoilers
@@Jlpeaksthats what I’m a afraid of lol. I’m hoping that newcomers can experience it in a way that I did when I played og as a kid. Although I think they may just mess that part up.
coming to this after watching the Metaphor reviews and the discrepancy between the experiences is jarring. the Metaphor reviews were just _constant_ glazing while glossing over genuine issues, while these Rebirth reviews seem as if they're trying to knock it down for pretty arbitrary reasons. look, you can be critical of Rebirth. they are absolutely good criticisms to make regarding its size, aspects of the open world, minigames, and even the story. Metaphor, likewise, has a lot of tremendous achievements behind it, and going out of your way to levy complaints against it is petty. also, your personal opinion of certain things should absolutely play a role in a review. BUT. these guys are _professional_ video game critics paid by the top names in the industry, and their reviews here are way more subjective appraisals of a game than quantitative critique. deducting a point from a game you otherwise view as an "all timer" because you didn't jive with the story in the end is critical malpractice. in the same vein, claiming that the second game in a trilogy made you feel like the game wasn't "complete" and knocking the game down several pegs because of that is _ridiculous._ also, the vast majority of Imran's issues are not _real_ problems, but rather a humongous amount of nitpicks based on his personal philosophy. it would be one thing if these were the reviews for personal enjoyment. in that sense, they would be totally valid. however, these are reviews based in gaming publications and that carries with it a level of responsibility in analysis that simply is not here. the best response I've heard to a central complaint here regarding the open world is this: you can not like the radio towers, but to discredit the amount of effort, development, and simple quality that it has otherwise is to be intentionally contrarian. this isn't a case of Square going to Ubisoft and saying "make a FF game," and Rebirth being the result. this is reviewers being so wrapped up in their distaste for one or two things that they're disparaging the entire presentation just to make a point.
NGL I totally disregard anyone's opinion who hasn't played the original. They can have one, and it's fine to give new comers a perspective, but it's honestly meaningless to people who have been living in this universe since '97.
@@impotenceauraWhat?! The game is advertised as a remake of an old game. If you can't tell a story on it's own merits (without NEEDING knowledge of the original AND Crisis Core), then you've failed to tell a good story.
@@grantlawrence4600it’s unfortunate but in order to fully appreciate this game and the subsequent sequel, it is almost an absolute must to play the original , because although the name says “remake” and they love to advertise newcomers are welcomed, it is technically a sequel, that doesn’t mean that they failed in the story it just means that they failed in giving context, to which is why they didn’t say that they were lost with the characters, just not sure why they should care, i have noticed that a lot of individuals who play remake do subsequently end up playing the original which is i believe a must.
@@aaronherreradominguez18 While I think it’s best that an official review is from someone who has played the original, I think someone who hasn’t played the original still has a unique perspective that I’m interested in hearing
Also, why are these people SO negative?! Talk more about what you loved from the game please if you're going to give it a high score. Like even Roger who gave it a 3/5 made it sound like he thinks the game is really a 2/5 because he only talked about the negatives.
@@ThwipThwipBoom Its only exciting if you can understand the story but lets just hope the 3rd game has a satisfying ending that makes all three games make sense in the end.
I'm curious overall how people new to the franchise with remake will feel about the minigames. Seems like so many fans of the original are excited for that, but I can see why newer folks could see it as "filler".
@@tangentkatz FF7 was a variety game. It deliberately did not have a consistent gameplay loop. Yes its filler, but it also breaks up monotony of repetition. it's a double-edged sword. You could design a game thats just combat and story. but youre likely going to need a lot more breaks.
Props on Tim addressing all of the sponsorship stuff in detail. As long as you guys are transparent about being sponsored I don't see how there is a problem.
It just makes it difficult to trust what they are saying... Could also be why Blessing kept talking in circles when trying to give his "review". Tbh it's embarrassing that they took that sponsorship and it's a big hit to their credibility.
Minigames was a huge part of the original and the mandatory ones dont really require you to win or do well so im not sure what the complaint is. This is one of the hardest plats ever. The final VR brawler and the final 3 super hard Vr fights are ridiculous.
Saying that the FFXVI combat is better is absurd, that game requires no strategy. Imagine having to use actual strategy in battles instead of just button mashing
@@JTsavage7577why on earth would you want someone to review a game that's not a fan of the series? And why would they not take advertising the past few months for a game that they are all fucking psyched about??
Not the lead reviewer here though - Bless is (which doesn't feel right for me imo given its a Final Fantasy game). But I understand why Tim isn't lead reviewer given his explanation, it's about as well as they could handle it after being sponsored by Rebirth in the lead up. But still, wish Tim was lead reviewer for this
Blessing saying he doesn’t like Cloud is very interesting, considering he’s easily my favorite video game character of all time, his story is extremely powerful to me. Of course all that comes in part 3 tho lol
Cloud is a flawed character. He has clear vices. That's what makes him great! He's a shade of gray. You know who I don't love? Zack (at least how he is presented in Crisis Core). Zack is a 1-dimension, tropey noble hero archetype with NO flaws. That is not good writing, imo.
Totally agree - it's usually people who do not even try to understand Cloud's character and how complex he is. Whilst I feel the devs have sidelined Cloud a bit in order to emphasise other characters, he is still a brilliant main protagonist and does not deserve the unjustified criticism that he often gets.
lots of gamers are miserable nowadays thats what happens when you're spoiled with this advanced technology i dont consider myself a gamer anymore just a gaming enthusiast embarrassing
That's fair, but let's remember, a 5/5 doesn't mean perfect, it just means a game they really love. Tim having loads of nitpicks and negatives is valid, just as his love for it is.
Tim seems like the kind of guy who is actually pretty good at telling himself whatever he wants to hear and just living in his own reality at peace, despite whatever is actually happening.
Blessing " 4 out of 5 " also Blessing , " favorite game of all time" and tells us several things that are great with this game. He is always so wishy washy with his explanations its unreal. The face of video games?
*The Empire Strikes Back, The Two Towers, Fallen Kingdom* were all critically divisive on arrival, espeically how they ended without actually ending at all, and each is now seen as a masterpiece. i've no doubt *Rebirth* will be looked back on in the same way once the story is complete.
this shit is already seen as a masterpiece and better than the first. i don't think its gonna change the minds of people who already don't like it though
Hmmmm I just finished the game but I don’t really agree with Blessing’s criticism on the plot considering that it’s part 2 of a trilogy. Still, it is a phenomenal game.
The way everyone is talking about Rebirth really does make it sound like the Infinite Wealth to Remake's Like A Dragon and i cannot believe the weird synergy between these two franchises and I'm so freaking happy about it. I said this on KFGD comments and I'll say it again: Like a Bahamut: Infinite Gil
It's interesting how we can complain about there being too much stuff in the open world but when there isn't, we complain about it being too bare. Are we never happy? lol
No one complains about having too much to do. The problem is that sometimes content that should be optional, isn’t. I do think there are some people who do not like lots of content, but they are in a very small minority. Especially since games cost $70 nowadays. But for the most part, I agree with some of the tales that pacing needs to be better, and they should only include minigames if they truly relate to journey the characters go through.
When FF7 Remake released nearly every reviewer said the same thing about the story, but as time went on fans and content creators analyzed the nuances of the story are realized everything makes sense and nothing was confusing or convoluted. Lets wait and see a week after release
This feels like when Bless gave Street Fighter 6 a 4 because of some minor quibbles at the time of release. I think he would give that game a 5 now lol
I just started listening but I'm curious about how many of blessings "they didn't deliver on this" will get delivered in the 3rd game. Seems like that's the thing that sucks for people who haven't played the original since they don't have a reference point to things that are happening
Hey lads metacritic called and said your reviews are lacking its 3 points below elden ring and tears of the kingdom so how you got to a 3 out of 5 is beyond me
Does this game have the Fort Condor minigame from the Intermission DLC? I never got into it in the OG FFVII but got really hooked on the new version of it that Yuffie plays in that DLC. Edit: never mind, thanks Blessing!
I'm still excited about FF7 Rebirth but I will say your hints on the story stuff has me a bit nervous lol. I was not exactly thrilled with the ending of rebirth (i have no idea what happened).
I’m in a weird place with this Remake trilogy because Final Fantasy is far and away my favorite video game franchise of all-time. BUT I never played VII. I grew up playing IX as my favorite and I never went backwards until I was an adult, in which I’ve only played IV and VI as entries prior to IX. I don’t have context for anything regarding Final Fantasy VII outside of the most spoiled spoiler in video game history, obviously. So, I went into Remake not really knowing what to expect and loved it *except* for the ending, which I kinda hated. I felt like it turned into Kingdom Hearts-type of nonsensical storytelling with Fate and multiple timelines and so on. I still thought it was a great game overall, but I was burned by the ending. That’s why I’m a bit shocked by Roger being in a relatively similar position saying that he loved Remake’s ending, but disliked Rebirth’s ending for feeling left in the dark. I’m kinda just confused how he didn’t feel that same way with Remake’s ending, and it makes me even more curious about wtf happens in Rebirth’s ending lol.
You should play the OG VII because Remake was a sequel and not a remake. You won't understand the story otherwise, and there are far more big spoilers in the OG game than just the death of a beloved character
I’m so glad to hear that there’s more fort condor. I became obsessed with fort condor in intermission and I was so upset there wasn’t anymore. I agree that there should be a spin off or mobile version of it.
3/5… mainlining a game like this in 40 hours and then your part of a review panel. How? Thats ridiculous! No one is expecting you to platinum it but mainlining it totally! Hahaha I ignored his score! This game is flawed undoubtedly however it’s a masterpiece! I even said to my GF whilst she was watching me play through.. she doesn’t play games but was obsessed with this and seeing how it played out! If that’s not a great sign of a great game I dunno what is! This game maybe my favourite game of all time.
Kinda funny as so shite for reviews. Stellar Blade Review only person played it and the other two.played the demo and they passed it off as a full review.
I don't know who the hell thought it was a good idea to start pushing Roger so much on gaming content - nevermind being part of the review for one of the biggest games of the year - but it's a huge miss tbh. From what I've seen the guy doesn't have a clue, and seems to purposely act overly critical in some lame attempt to look more legit (which is just doing the opposite if anything). Having revisited this review after beating the game, his score and overall review are honestly laughable. And tbh I thought Blessing was poor here too, but nothing compared to Roger lmao. Wasn't Roger brought in as an editor, behind the scenes sorta guy? I just have no idea why they think we should be listening to his opinion on these games, and that's becoming even more obvious after shows like this.
@@Shrewdy1 I completely agree. I still think Imrans take has some good points but then again I do think Imran was one of the better panellists. For me listen to Easy Allies with Max for a proper critique of this game. Like you I finished it. It’s nothing short of a flawed masterpiece. I loved it. Dare I say it’s my favourite game of all time. Maybe that’s just blinkered eyes. But for a game to make you feel that way? Says a lot don’t it.
There takes especially blessings on them not finishing certain things when knowing there is a third game. Like be forreal. When watching a show you don’t get upset when it continues to another episode or season. Like be serious right now.
Glad to see this review. Looks like if you treat this game more like a Kingdom Hearts experience, you might have an easier time with the pacing, mini games, and checklist, which is what I am looking for for this kind of game despite it being a FF7 story, and this is mostly due the style of combat/gameplay loop in this remake series. Looking forward to playing it. But now this also gets me more excited for KH4 than post rebirth tbh.
I mean listen to how much sh&^ was talked on the game in this podcast though. You'd think there would be a conflict of interest, but I guess not. Ethically sound at the end of the day. But yes, it could have gone sour from that
I dont understand this modern thinking of tp much variety and length i loved the ff7 remake and the oroginal is my favourite game and the thing i wished we had more of is good sidewuests and minigames to say the amount of varoety is opressive is a rosiculous statement it is the reason why yakuza does so well
I'm with you. It's difference in philosophy. Some people want a simple gameplay loop that maintains clean pacing. Others want a ton of variety to break up the monotony. I'm with you; I definitely prefer variety content. It's much easier for me to play a game hours on end without breaks when there's variety.
![[FULL SPOILER DISCUSSION] Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is ALMOST PERFECT... Until its NOT!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TwtBVYFpSKg/mqdefault.jpg)
It’s nice of Imran to bring his son Roger to work today
😂
I’ve put 160+ hours into Rebirth and I legitimately cannot give it anything less than a 9.5.
The sheer amount of quality content (story, gameplay, side quests, mini games…etc) is too well done that I don’t think any of the issues marring the story can overshadow just how massive this game is. The gameplay loop is so well done, and even the side quests feel like main quests.
I’ve beaten the game a few days ago so I’ve had time to sit on my thoughts, and I’ve landed on the fact that it’s one of the most robust and content filled games ever made. Even when you compare it to the Witcher 3, it’s even more well done.
I seriously cannot stress enough, if you have a PS5 and you like action RPGs, this is the best action RPG ever made. The devs put so much love and care into it I cannot deny them that.
I give it a 9.5/10, and the only reason is because the ending. I won’t spoil anything, but the ending was messy to say the least.
Edit: one last thing, how could I forget, the soundtrack is the best soundtrack in a video game for me. It truly is incredible.
"There's not much story after this" nope, dead wrong. Most of the story happens after where Rebirth stops.
Thank goodness for Tim.
Tim slid in there with the 5/5 and it made me smile ear-to-ear.
Blessing pulled a “imma let you finish” Kanye moment on Imran hahahaha
Super rude tbh
@@Shrewdy1 maybe, but these guys respect the hell out of each other and you can tell they appreciate how passionate and excited Blessing gets.
@@ntwynn That's a very charitable way of looking at things. Could be true, but I also get the sense they still handle Bless with kid gloves. He should be a better podcaster by now in this sense
@@Shrewdy1 It is rude but he was saying nothing but facts so I forgive it.
12:15 Blessing just jumped right in on Imran’s take 😅
I noticed that too! hahaha
@@anthonyealyjr8527 It’s crazy, Bless already went on for 5 minutes giving his score while everyone waited patiently. Imran just grabbed his hands and let him. I would have pushed back respectfully. Let the man finish his thoughts first.
@@B_ClemethyHe really needs to improve on that. It was understandable back in 2020, but he should be seasoned enough at this stage to not do this, I mean he's essentially the main host of KFGD now and he's still rambling like this?
Blessing needs to see this criticism.
We are bagging on him but i agree with yall,
Bless can still be better and not being too dominant in a conversation and allowing other people to talk.
This was actually really rude and annoying
Really bummed not to get Greg and Andy’s thoughts. Hope they give their thoughts next week.
Greg, well known jrpg and FF fan lol. Although he did like FF7 Remake quite a bit, weirdly enough
Which is why I was interested in his opinion. Remake is the only FF game and only JRPG that i have ever connected with, so it is relevant to my experience.
@@yankeesplyr23 I was somewhat making fun of your point, but that's actually a pretty good one.
Well, 105 hours in, still on Chapter 12, it’s safe to say I’m enjoying it. Hopefully we still get a spoilercast at some point.
Tim looks so sad while listening to the others express their complaints on one of his favorite games
@@teddyholiday8038 he didn’t say it didn’t have issues. Y’all are acting really weird because he liked the game more than the others.
I lost all respect for Tim as a reviewer when he said Final Fantasy 16 was the greatest Final Fantasy ever made. Like game isn't even top 10.
@@teddyholiday8038 I’m not though. I saw your comment in which you posted on a public section and responded to it. You were just flat out wrong in what you said and instead of acknowledging that you just turn to deflect with “fanboy” like really?
@@caynebyron seriously do you all not know what opinions are? You took his opinion on a game so personally that you lost respect for him? You feeling it’s not in the top 10 is just as valid as him feeling it’s the best entry.
@@teddyholiday8038because I pointed that what you said was wrong I’m a blind fanboy? You must think you are beyond reproach and no one can say anything about what you say because then they are “blind fanboys”
A HUGE part of the OG game is the disconnect of exactly what Bless was talking about, "Why are we overlooking what's going on here?" and it resolves in the end. WHOA BABY that 3rd game!
Exaaaaactly. "Why isn't this story beat resolved?" Is such a weird criticism.
Tim is the voice of reason.
I really think the original FF7 is best enjoyed by taking your time. Roger mainlining it in 40 hours and having the lowest score of the group makes sense, but it does sound like playing the minigames and exploration will make the experience so much better, as it did in the original.
Yeah, lets make excuses for a game none of us have played. Filler content should only add onto a great game, not make the game. I'm sure you'll cream your pants over this game when you play it, but Roger's experience is still valid.
@@ShaedStealer I only meant to speak to my experience with the original FF7 and theorizing how the experience might be for Rebirth. Roger's experience is totally valid and it is great to hear more perspectives with how big this game is
A mainline experience should very much still be an enjoyable experience
@@stuckNcloudz agreed! And I hope it is
They never beat OG ff7story that saved square from brakruptancy @@rikkuricky
We did it, boys.
We made it to disc 2.
😤🙌🏽
I really disliked Blessing‘s notion that games normally have to stick to one gameplay and that deviation from that results normally not in a good game. I miss games like FF7 that surprise you every now and then with new mini games and gameplay. And I think that the success of Yakuza/LikeaDragon and It takes two shows that games with such a variety of gameplay styles can be great and successful.
Liked the different opinions and the discussion.
i respectfully disagree with Blessing's opinion on that as well but i'm not mad about it. I'm glad he likes what he likes and I like what I like. and i love finding the things in between that i have in common with people who don't share my own views. gives me perspective and reminds me that my opinion is not the only one that matters. great discussion overall!
Hearing him talk about the minigames, sounds like Blessing needs to play the Yakuza series.
Well this is ff. Not yakuza, mini games goes with yakuza. Not ff.
@@solidwisdom8749 go play original FF7 8 and 9 and get back to me with that.
@@rakino4418 they’re classics tho. Can’t compare
Ugh Roger sounds like Reddit comments when he says “I know why they add stuff because there isn’t enough story”
Waking up not knowing that reviews came out today and seeing on metacritic that this game at least for right now has a 93 was very exciting lol
My thoughts exactly. It's very rare you see a review embargo lift a full week before release. They were confident.
I love Blessing, but man, he uses 1000 words to say something that needed 100.
its called being young and insecure. let him live!
Roger and Imran look like clones of each other.
They are 😮
I had to take off my jacket before hand because it was actually confusing hahaha
@@rogformer”who am I?!?!😩”
I just cant take blessing reviews seriously when he runs his own points in circles and ends up with moot points the majority of the time
It's the downfall of this format if you don't have carefully constructed notes and specific beats planned out. Otherwise an hour long + podcast review is just gonna turn into a yap session
That’s all bless does is yap. And has the worst takes ever.
@@kingofzero What takes of blessing in this did you not respect exactly?
@@phillystevesteak6982 The whole they left things unanswered take, it a trilogy. YOu dont go watching a tv show or movie saying aww man they didnt complete everything in this episode or movie, so why do that in a game that we have known for years is going to be a trilogy, its a dumbass take.
Kinda had whiplash seeing the game had a 93 on metacritic, getting super excited to listen to this discussion and then hearing them open with so many complaints about the game 😢 At least Tim seemed to love it
92*
you can love something and still point out its faults. nothing is perfect. if all you wanted was a slurpfest and validation of your preconceived ideas, that is kind of sad........and funny
Tim also prefers XVI's combat to this combat, which makes his ranking of this game null and void in my mind
towers were on the trail. you rarely NEED to go out of your way to unlock them. and they just highlight the Chadley tasks whose entire design is to get you to explore each corner of the map they worked hard to designed. maybe there were a little too many but they are optional- if you don't want to do them or they bother you, just don't do them- and the rewards were great. took a lot of time but didn't feel like a waste.
“The reason I’m giving it a 3/5 is because there’s no ‘good’ on the scale”
How many times does someone need to say something like this like this before they fix the scale?
this is why its better to do out of 10. because it gives more wiggle room. some only do out of 4 which makes it more impossible to be accurate
Just beat the game and still haven’t been able to stop playing it and I agree with Tim here this game is incredible I loved it and it’s definitely one of my favs of all time now for sure
You guys will totally be talking about this game a week from now, when all of us are actually playing it, right? Hahahahaha.....right?
They’ll be talking about the next game lol
Clearly you're new around here, the business model runs on talking about things well before they're accessible
@@NadoMDBeen here since 2017, and I've always hated that shitty business model.
It’s been a month and there’s not much talking except talking about them being too busy ig
I think Tim shines here. Especially with his reserved way of speaking and interacting with the others. Everyone else constantly talking over eachother and cutting eachother off was slightly annoying in this. I get it for the bit sometimes. Or for certain situations. But this entire episode felt like people doing their best to be heard the most. Cutting eachother off and talking over eachother. Love KF. Keep it up otherwise.
So it's too much game?? 😂😂😂 Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
Depends, some games do have a bit too much filler/walking simulator. Spiderman 2 felt like it had a bit too much for my liking. The deaf girl spray paint mission is an example. A few I don't mind, but at the point I was annoyed 😅
@@bluex610 but that mission was optional?
@8w589 shit it was? Haha, I didn't notice. Usually, I'll just play it out since I normally don't like skipping things.
@@bluex610 I'll back you up here. If you want to get the platinum, you have to do it. I have the platinum in all three of the insomniac spidey games. Maybe it ruined my experience some.. but Spider-man 2 felt too bloated. I felt that way about the first game, but holy crap 2 made me feel better about 1 lol. Miles Morales is still my favorite so lean and awesome. And that game makes you beat it twice to get the plat and still felt like less of a slog lmao.
Yeah this is one of those game i'm not gonna gain much from a review, I know I like the gameplay so i'm going in for the story and that can't really be discussed without spoilers
Tim gets it man.
Roger, at this point in the original game, the player has all the same reservations you have. That makes me feel good about how things are going.
From what he was saying, it sounds like there is a certain moment that drops in the original that doesn’t land quite the same here. IYKYK
@@Jlpeaksthats what I’m a afraid of lol. I’m hoping that newcomers can experience it in a way that I did when I played og as a kid. Although I think they may just mess that part up.
@@Highfreqgamingshe doesn’t die here it’s obvious they just spoiled it in the video by saying that
"Blessing is our lead reviewer"
Annnnd I'm done here. 😮💨
Never got Imran's thoughts on the game because Blessing interrupted him.
coming to this after watching the Metaphor reviews and the discrepancy between the experiences is jarring. the Metaphor reviews were just _constant_ glazing while glossing over genuine issues, while these Rebirth reviews seem as if they're trying to knock it down for pretty arbitrary reasons.
look, you can be critical of Rebirth. they are absolutely good criticisms to make regarding its size, aspects of the open world, minigames, and even the story. Metaphor, likewise, has a lot of tremendous achievements behind it, and going out of your way to levy complaints against it is petty. also, your personal opinion of certain things should absolutely play a role in a review. BUT. these guys are _professional_ video game critics paid by the top names in the industry, and their reviews here are way more subjective appraisals of a game than quantitative critique.
deducting a point from a game you otherwise view as an "all timer" because you didn't jive with the story in the end is critical malpractice. in the same vein, claiming that the second game in a trilogy made you feel like the game wasn't "complete" and knocking the game down several pegs because of that is _ridiculous._ also, the vast majority of Imran's issues are not _real_ problems, but rather a humongous amount of nitpicks based on his personal philosophy.
it would be one thing if these were the reviews for personal enjoyment. in that sense, they would be totally valid. however, these are reviews based in gaming publications and that carries with it a level of responsibility in analysis that simply is not here.
the best response I've heard to a central complaint here regarding the open world is this: you can not like the radio towers, but to discredit the amount of effort, development, and simple quality that it has otherwise is to be intentionally contrarian. this isn't a case of Square going to Ubisoft and saying "make a FF game," and Rebirth being the result. this is reviewers being so wrapped up in their distaste for one or two things that they're disparaging the entire presentation just to make a point.
All subjective but scoring lower than FF16 is wild to me.
So glad Imran has the correct take that 7Remake/Rebirth shits on 16.
Mostly cause of soyboy Roger.
All these guys except for Tim are crazy for this. It's a 93 on metacritic
@@sora8480 yea fr. skibidi soyboy mother serving sussy fortnite girl boss
It’s a 93 on metacritic, game is a masterpiece so who cares about the 2 clowns
3/5 from Roger is a WILD take
Insane
NGL I totally disregard anyone's opinion who hasn't played the original. They can have one, and it's fine to give new comers a perspective, but it's honestly meaningless to people who have been living in this universe since '97.
@@impotenceauraWhat?!
The game is advertised as a remake of an old game. If you can't tell a story on it's own merits (without NEEDING knowledge of the original AND Crisis Core), then you've failed to tell a good story.
@@grantlawrence4600it’s unfortunate but in order to fully appreciate this game and the subsequent sequel, it is almost an absolute must to play the original , because although the name says “remake” and they love to advertise newcomers are welcomed, it is technically a sequel, that doesn’t mean that they failed in the story it just means that they failed in giving context, to which is why they didn’t say that they were lost with the characters, just not sure why they should care, i have noticed that a lot of individuals who play remake do subsequently end up playing the original which is i believe a must.
@@aaronherreradominguez18 While I think it’s best that an official review is from someone who has played the original, I think someone who hasn’t played the original still has a unique perspective that I’m interested in hearing
Also, why are these people SO negative?! Talk more about what you loved from the game please if you're going to give it a high score. Like even Roger who gave it a 3/5 made it sound like he thinks the game is really a 2/5 because he only talked about the negatives.
I played Episode intermission and ff16 recently to get ready for this game, and I vastly prefer the FF7R system to the more real time system of FF16
Sounds like Rog needs to really play FF7 if he doesn’t understand a lot of stuff in here
I think you missed the part where three of us who have played the original also didn’t understand a lot at the end
ah no wonder @@BarrettCourtney
@BarretCourtney all 3 of you are mentally challenged though.
This is a good sign. I'm glad they're taking FF7 into a new direction. Makes things more exciting.
@@ThwipThwipBoom Its only exciting if you can understand the story but lets just hope the 3rd game has a satisfying ending that makes all three games make sense in the end.
Mini games were a huge part of the original.
I'm curious overall how people new to the franchise with remake will feel about the minigames. Seems like so many fans of the original are excited for that, but I can see why newer folks could see it as "filler".
@@tangentkatz FF7 was a variety game. It deliberately did not have a consistent gameplay loop. Yes its filler, but it also breaks up monotony of repetition. it's a double-edged sword. You could design a game thats just combat and story. but youre likely going to need a lot more breaks.
Props on Tim addressing all of the sponsorship stuff in detail. As long as you guys are transparent about being sponsored I don't see how there is a problem.
It just makes it difficult to trust what they are saying... Could also be why Blessing kept talking in circles when trying to give his "review".
Tbh it's embarrassing that they took that sponsorship and it's a big hit to their credibility.
3/5 is Wild!
Feigning ignance of a game being the 2nd in a trilogy just to nitpick things you didnt get immediately renders your opinion moot...
Minigames was a huge part of the original and the mandatory ones dont really require you to win or do well so im not sure what the complaint is.
This is one of the hardest plats ever. The final VR brawler and the final 3 super hard Vr fights are ridiculous.
Saying that the FFXVI combat is better is absurd, that game requires no strategy. Imagine having to use actual strategy in battles instead of just button mashing
Different preferences
Different preferences
He said in his opinion bro, he’s allowed to feel different
Its okay to be wrong 😂
@@magnainsomnia You're right, Roger is wrong. Thanks for agreeing with me
Now that I played the game fully these 3 out of 5 stars make no sense this game way better than remake and queen blood is overhyped it’s alright
Gotta love Tim reviewing Final Fantasy. Feels right.
Not when they got paid to advertise the game they're still reviewing though... I get they're already fans of the franchise. Idk if I like that.
@@JTsavage7577why on earth would you want someone to review a game that's not a fan of the series? And why would they not take advertising the past few months for a game that they are all fucking psyched about??
Not the lead reviewer here though - Bless is (which doesn't feel right for me imo given its a Final Fantasy game). But I understand why Tim isn't lead reviewer given his explanation, it's about as well as they could handle it after being sponsored by Rebirth in the lead up. But still, wish Tim was lead reviewer for this
@@JTsavage7577did you watch the first 10mins of the review? It doesn’t get more honest and transparent than that
@@iiricoii2872 You don’t have to listen to their opinion, that’s what it is. You also act like this game wasn’t going to get good reviews
Blessing saying he doesn’t like Cloud is very interesting, considering he’s easily my favorite video game character of all time, his story is extremely powerful to me. Of course all that comes in part 3 tho lol
Cloud is a flawed character. He has clear vices. That's what makes him great! He's a shade of gray. You know who I don't love? Zack (at least how he is presented in Crisis Core). Zack is a 1-dimension, tropey noble hero archetype with NO flaws. That is not good writing, imo.
Most people don't like him, I love him. I felt in the minority on that.
I can understand not liking before the reveal.
Totally agree - it's usually people who do not even try to understand Cloud's character and how complex he is. Whilst I feel the devs have sidelined Cloud a bit in order to emphasise other characters, he is still a brilliant main protagonist and does not deserve the unjustified criticism that he often gets.
@@phillystevesteak6982 Totally agree with you!!!!
Not surprised by the complaints I was questioning when I saw it’s open world cause I know many hate open world games
lots of gamers are miserable nowadays thats what happens when you're spoiled with this advanced technology i dont consider myself a gamer anymore just a gaming enthusiast embarrassing
If people didn't know there was an open world to ff7 that's on them
FF7 OG is literally an open world game. People are dumb.
KF missed on this one
I love how Tim can have many complaints but still gives the game a 5/5 😅
That's fair, but let's remember, a 5/5 doesn't mean perfect, it just means a game they really love. Tim having loads of nitpicks and negatives is valid, just as his love for it is.
@@TheAkatsukiKnightzgrow up mate
Tim seems like the kind of guy who is actually pretty good at telling himself whatever he wants to hear and just living in his own reality at peace, despite whatever is actually happening.
@TheAkatsukiKnightz
You are allowed to feel how you feel, and your views are just as valid as mine.
@@TheAkatsukiKnightz bro, legitimate grow up and no I own my own house
Been so hyped for this. We need a spoilercast with Imran!
Blessing " 4 out of 5 " also Blessing , " favorite game of all time" and tells us several things that are great with this game. He is always so wishy washy with his explanations its unreal. The face of video games?
TWINS Basil!
I just wanna let you know I appreciate this Austin Powers reference
@@viagotanega9898 Thank you! I was starting to think it had a bit of a nutty flavour to it
I need that spoilercast
When did they clone Imran?
3/5 is kinda wild lol
Rogers a clown XD also 40.hours... in this is amateur hour.. shows only ONE person to listen in this review and its tim
Bless speaking Yappanese at the start
Was holding my breath that Imran would be back!
*The Empire Strikes Back, The Two Towers, Fallen Kingdom* were all critically divisive on arrival, espeically how they ended without actually ending at all, and each is now seen as a masterpiece. i've no doubt *Rebirth* will be looked back on in the same way once the story is complete.
this shit is already seen as a masterpiece and better than the first. i don't think its gonna change the minds of people who already don't like it though
Aerith is dead there should be no confusion I can't understand how any of you are confused by the ending lol
Hmmmm I just finished the game but I don’t really agree with Blessing’s criticism on the plot considering that it’s part 2 of a trilogy. Still, it is a phenomenal game.
44:48 wHaT's tHe dEaL with Cloud?
The way everyone is talking about Rebirth really does make it sound like the Infinite Wealth to Remake's Like A Dragon and i cannot believe the weird synergy between these two franchises and I'm so freaking happy about it. I said this on KFGD comments and I'll say it again:
Like a Bahamut: Infinite Gil
31:45 Lol Barrett popping in
It's interesting how we can complain about there being too much stuff in the open world but when there isn't, we complain about it being too bare. Are we never happy? lol
No one complains about having too much to do. The problem is that sometimes content that should be optional, isn’t. I do think there are some people who do not like lots of content, but they are in a very small minority. Especially since games cost $70 nowadays. But for the most part, I agree with some of the tales that pacing needs to be better, and they should only include minigames if they truly relate to journey the characters go through.
"I'm ending this game like this character sucks and now I have to wait years???" I'm guessing Blessing hasn't played FF14 before and met Alphinaud.
When FF7 Remake released nearly every reviewer said the same thing about the story, but as time went on fans and content creators analyzed the nuances of the story are realized everything makes sense and nothing was confusing or convoluted. Lets wait and see a week after release
12:24 blessing let Imran finish 😅
Great to see Imran on again, and always fun when Rog can be on a pod.
THE DON IS BACK!
This feels like when Bless gave Street Fighter 6 a 4 because of some minor quibbles at the time of release. I think he would give that game a 5 now lol
Blessing had to have played yuffie DLC. Condor was only in there. Not in remake base
Lol I actually forgot about that
50:48 that's one way to pronounce Chocobo
I just started listening but I'm curious about how many of blessings "they didn't deliver on this" will get delivered in the 3rd game.
Seems like that's the thing that sucks for people who haven't played the original since they don't have a reference point to things that are happening
Hey lads metacritic called and said your reviews are lacking its 3 points below elden ring and tears of the kingdom so how you got to a 3 out of 5 is beyond me
Does this game have the Fort Condor minigame from the Intermission DLC? I never got into it in the OG FFVII but got really hooked on the new version of it that Yuffie plays in that DLC.
Edit: never mind, thanks Blessing!
Ive missed Imran so much! Welcome back!!
I'm still excited about FF7 Rebirth but I will say your hints on the story stuff has me a bit nervous lol. I was not exactly thrilled with the ending of rebirth (i have no idea what happened).
It's very similar here.
I think you mean to say Remake at the end part
I’m in a weird place with this Remake trilogy because Final Fantasy is far and away my favorite video game franchise of all-time. BUT I never played VII. I grew up playing IX as my favorite and I never went backwards until I was an adult, in which I’ve only played IV and VI as entries prior to IX.
I don’t have context for anything regarding Final Fantasy VII outside of the most spoiled spoiler in video game history, obviously. So, I went into Remake not really knowing what to expect and loved it *except* for the ending, which I kinda hated. I felt like it turned into Kingdom Hearts-type of nonsensical storytelling with Fate and multiple timelines and so on. I still thought it was a great game overall, but I was burned by the ending.
That’s why I’m a bit shocked by Roger being in a relatively similar position saying that he loved Remake’s ending, but disliked Rebirth’s ending for feeling left in the dark. I’m kinda just confused how he didn’t feel that same way with Remake’s ending, and it makes me even more curious about wtf happens in Rebirth’s ending lol.
You should play the OG VII because Remake was a sequel and not a remake. You won't understand the story otherwise, and there are far more big spoilers in the OG game than just the death of a beloved character
God... I want to play this game so bad it hurts. And... 16.... And Intergrade. And. BGIII! My backlog is legendary.
Barret: This phantom pain...it won't stop hurting. The arm I lost. The comrades I lost. They won't stop hurting.
🤣
I’m so glad to hear that there’s more fort condor. I became obsessed with fort condor in intermission and I was so upset there wasn’t anymore. I agree that there should be a spin off or mobile version of it.
3/5… mainlining a game like this in 40 hours and then your part of a review panel. How? Thats ridiculous! No one is expecting you to platinum it but mainlining it totally! Hahaha I ignored his score! This game is flawed undoubtedly however it’s a masterpiece! I even said to my GF whilst she was watching me play through.. she doesn’t play games but was obsessed with this and seeing how it played out! If that’s not a great sign of a great game I dunno what is! This game maybe my favourite game of all time.
Kinda funny as so shite for reviews.
Stellar Blade Review only person played it and the other two.played the demo and they passed it off as a full review.
I don't know who the hell thought it was a good idea to start pushing Roger so much on gaming content - nevermind being part of the review for one of the biggest games of the year - but it's a huge miss tbh. From what I've seen the guy doesn't have a clue, and seems to purposely act overly critical in some lame attempt to look more legit (which is just doing the opposite if anything).
Having revisited this review after beating the game, his score and overall review are honestly laughable. And tbh I thought Blessing was poor here too, but nothing compared to Roger lmao.
Wasn't Roger brought in as an editor, behind the scenes sorta guy? I just have no idea why they think we should be listening to his opinion on these games, and that's becoming even more obvious after shows like this.
@@Shrewdy1 I completely agree. I still think Imrans take has some good points but then again I do think Imran was one of the better panellists. For me listen to Easy Allies with Max for a proper critique of this game.
Like you I finished it. It’s nothing short of a flawed masterpiece. I loved it. Dare I say it’s my favourite game of all time. Maybe that’s just blinkered eyes. But for a game to make you feel that way? Says a lot don’t it.
There are minigame specific control options in the settings. Even in the demo.
giving this game a 3 out of 5 is treason
Playing through remake right now and I am looking forward to the PC version of Rebirth
Thank you for this review and special podcast episode!
There takes especially blessings on them not finishing certain things when knowing there is a third game. Like be forreal. When watching a show you don’t get upset when it continues to another episode or season. Like be serious right now.
Glad to see this review. Looks like if you treat this game more like a Kingdom Hearts experience, you might have an easier time with the pacing, mini games, and checklist, which is what I am looking for for this kind of game despite it being a FF7 story, and this is mostly due the style of combat/gameplay loop in this remake series. Looking forward to playing it. But now this also gets me more excited for KH4 than post rebirth tbh.
Cant wait for next thursday
Decided to hold off on buying this for now. I already have games I need to catch up on or finish.
This will be GotY
Still waiting for the spoiler cast…
Once barret kicked in with his opinion I was eased. I never really gelled with remake, like it was fine. So hearing this gives me hopes
3/5. Jesus bro. Just want a hot take aye.
Real slippery slope getting paid to promote a game and then doing a review. Transparent ethics don’t really mean the ethics are good 🤷♂️
I mean listen to how much sh&^ was talked on the game in this podcast though. You'd think there would be a conflict of interest, but I guess not. Ethically sound at the end of the day. But yes, it could have gone sour from that
I think the reviews were honest. I mean that dude givin a 3/5 was really the lowest I've seen so far in any review.
I dont understand this modern thinking of tp much variety and length i loved the ff7 remake and the oroginal is my favourite game and the thing i wished we had more of is good sidewuests and minigames to say the amount of varoety is opressive is a rosiculous statement it is the reason why yakuza does so well
I'm with you. It's difference in philosophy. Some people want a simple gameplay loop that maintains clean pacing. Others want a ton of variety to break up the monotony. I'm with you; I definitely prefer variety content. It's much easier for me to play a game hours on end without breaks when there's variety.
I don't think Rebirth is really meant for people like Roger, who don't have much buy in with the franchise.
Blessin not having the conviction to go with his gut
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