@@Godzillagamr999 do you know how strong Gt Characters are I Know Gt Gohan is Universal since he fought a Being that Stronger than Buu any version of Buu plus he actually Trains
@@thealien4863 Cosmic Armour Superman isn't a verse though. It's one of the mid tier to low tier forms of Superman from the Detective Comics verse. Mxy is above Thought Robot, let alone other more powerful forms of Superman such as Milk-Man Man, Sting, Rebirth and Strange Visitor. A few of them even reach Baseline Extraversal.
@@thealien4863cosmic armor superman is above massively over Mr myx who beat up the authors of Dc and destroyed a studio in our real world Pfft my guy DC and marvel has similar feats like this there not just brought up since people don't want to be Goku fans like you
@@juliusnovachrono4370 if dragon ball characters are strong enough they can kinda resist battlefield removal, like how porunga couldn't teleport goku away
@RedShadowAMV that's because of the dragons having limits in general. It isn't due to immunity to hax or anything in that case. If you want to provide arguments of power > hax in DB, use Vegito. Despite being turned into literal candy, he could talk, breathe, fight etc because he was stronger than buu lol
Didn't that God guy destroy an entire Multiverse that contained Infinite Timelines?? That's a greater feat than anything in Super. Although all I've done is play half of COD Zombies 2. I've never been able to play anything else to know if that's actually true.
I appreciate the fact that the whole "beyond fiction" thing was brought up. I find it hilarious when people make that claim about characters. The really funny thing is, the things they bring up actually prove that their characters are weaker than your average character. Just as a direct example, Archie Sonic exits his comic and takes the place of his own author. People look at that and say that it makes Archie Sonic one of the most powerful entities in fiction. That actually proves he is in the running for one of the weakest. It shows us that Sonic exists in a canonically fictional universe, and he has to exit that fictional universe to enter a fictional version of the real world to replace the fictional version of his author. So, by the standards of most other universes where they are canonically reality, Sonic has to transcend his canonically fictional universe, in order to even enter the reality of a more traditional series, and all he accomplishes when he does that, is draw some pictures.
That's pretty much just the bad faith argument version of the type of argument people usually make for these feats, honestly I think it should be ignored for the most part
@@yanim8s350 I wouldn't go as far as writing all cases off as gags especially since some of them are in relatively serious plots but I think it's something where there are just to many variables and different interpretation one can make of what it actually equates to power wise that I think it's best to just consider any other feats by the character first.
@projectmessiah yea I feel like fiction reaching feats are really convoluted to actually analyze because most of the time it may not even be a power feat while sometimes it can like with arale ripping the pages
Yo, you should cover jump force Goku. I don't see a lot of coverage on him and I feel like I don't really know that much about him. Plus, it would make a great video!
Haven't watched the video yet but its either going to be the biggest glazing ever and scale him to shitversal or cap him at like 5D max , no in-between.
@@princevrak3907agreed with pretty much everything other than maybe this version of Goku being above his canon self( i don't think there is any evidence of the Goku in this being as strong as the canon version ) , always thought the arguments for him being above fiction or smth like that to be bullshit , his ass is NOT him lmao
Shitversal gave me a chuckle. Honestly with the number of tiers now "Outerversal, Extraversal, Pataversal, Xelitheseal, etc...." it can make it seem like that, as some people wank Goku to absurd levels. Like actually taking the "hyperdimensional" bollicks at face value and somehow making Goku Pataversal and able to solo Lovecraft, Stephen King, Tenchi Muyo, Slayers, Bastard, D.C., etc..... even though it never makes sense.
If you feel like God Fusion Goku isn’t transcendental to fiction, one argument I could make is that the battles taking place in The Real 4D movie interacts with the real world by making the seats shake and whatnot.
Thank you so much for making this. I literally have been in power scaling debates, and these random people will just say "you didnt say which version of Goku, so god fusion Goku, because he is beyond fiction-" And they dont even KNOW what theyre talking about. People need to start researching the things theyre talking about.
@@gameuniverse5973 definitely, the Slayer is pretty high up there but I’d say Fortnite Superman, Fortnite Petter Griffin and the Fortnite versions of the Destiny 2 cast are still tougher
@@iansahleen1173 I say Fortnite doom since it took everyone from Fortnite even past chars to team up to take him with him not even losing He also shown getting stronger after his defeat regardless
Thank you, the argument for God Fusion Goku being beyond fiction is so dumb. Like if you really want a Goku that can fight Superman (with relatively unwonky scaling) just go for Fortnite Goku not this fraud.
Believe it or not, Fortnite Goku might actually be outer due to scaling to Fortnite Thor who is stated to be the 616 comic variation of him who has high outer scaling
@@ashuraomega1000 That was my point, yes. Also, Fortnite Goku was stated to be the most powerful thing introduced to Fortnite at the time, putting his above literally all of Marvel and even potentially DC.
I think this video was a 10 out of 10 but bro, be prepared because a lot of people are going to debunk this video even though this video was accurate get ready
It’s ABOUT TIME. Thank you, Lonk. The BS z about GFG being “oH hEs sTrOnGeR tHaN fIcTiOn” was driving me INSANE. Hell, the real world isn’t even really transcendent to all of fiction. We just view it that way. It’s a Gwenpool situation, really.
Very cool, I have seen people cover GFG, but they always are using the most insane scaling known to man, without covering the ride's story or the in-universe explanation. Would be curious to see you cover other versions of Goku that people say are OP like Fortnite and Jump Force Goku, especially Jump Force because for the life of me I haven't seen anyone truly cover that despite the fact people claim he is Outer all the time.
Remember when people were saying that dora was strong and beyond ficton beacuse you would say no and she would still go to the right direction.... Yeah this is that
The most shocking thing about this video is the fact that God Fusion Goku had black hair strands, thought that was just shading/lighting giving that black color in the poster and I never watched the ride
To be fair, instead of SSJ Blue Goku×500, it might be: SSJ Blue Goku×5=A A×5=B B×5=C C×5... 100 times over. But yeah, he's definitely not transcending fiction.
@@lonkstakesYou're playing with serious fire dawg. If you scale Jump Force Goku to anything lower than boundless you're gonna get like seventeen people on your meat crying about how Goku solos fiction
Heard of this Goku variant and the god form Broly, never bothered to mention them since as you mention, never saw the movie and while I heard that it's a fusion with the audience I had no clue how that would even work within the verse.
Considering it's literally only just a bunch of people with a pl of 5 at average it's probably not really doing anything that would make the fusion mess up besides the fact that how would he coordinate with hundreds of people and correctly pull off the dance I don't even know how this would work in the verse😭
Unfortunately, that last bit at the end of the video is true lmao. I hate how people will dead ass tell you Goku is stronger than fiction because he can blow up a planet.. like nobody else in fiction can do that. Stitch from Stitch's Great Escape did what DB Glazers think Goku did. Stitch breaks out of his tomb and harasses everybody on the ride, as well as sneaks out to mess with Disneyland itself. The ride even had these gross ass speakers that you could smell into and you'd smell his burps or his gas, it was really bad at the end of its life cycle. The fact that Stitch of all characters beats Goku at his own game is the funniest thing to me
People just can't fathom the vast differences in power. Some people think that destroying a Solar System somehow makes somebody almost Galaxy level and how people somehow think that destroying the Moon is Large planet to Star+ Absolutely ridiculous.
@@Linear_Line_423 I've legitimately never seen something like that. It must be them taking the movies as cannon and then taking the Hyperbolic statement of Freeza having enough power to destroy the Universe and then taking other inconsistent and hyperbolic out of verse statements of the Super dimensional and above Dimensional cosmology of the Afterlife. Which is contradictory to what's shown and stated by Toriyama and in the manga. I've actually seen people somehow manage to wank Second Form Freeza to Hyperversal with those things. And then taking all movies as cannon too is just absurd, as if every movie took place in the exact same Timeline which they literally never prove or back up and absolutely contradicts countless events in the series. It just hurts my brain sometimes.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki If I'm not mistaken its thanks to people taking the statements in guides as hyper literally. How this gets Cell above Uni is beyond me however
@Linear_Line_423 I'll always have Freeza at Large Star+ and Super Perfect Cell at Solar System level. That's a 1,440x difference in power using real life cosmology scaling for our own solar system. (1,440 of our Suns can fit within the Oort Cloud of our Solar System.)
Could you please do AF Goku next (the one that can go up to Super Saiyan 10) because giving his feet at least kill him to outerversal and that even maybe a HUGE lowball
I think a perfect follow up video to this would be going through and covering which Goku is actually the strongest. I’m thinking it’s either Hero’s Legacy Goku or DB Heroes Goku
isn’t he fusing with each person individually? wouldn’t it instead be 5^(amount of people) * Goku? if there are around 100~ people with powers levels around 5, that would make god fusion goku’s amp 8 duovigintillion (8 followed by 70 zeros) Edit: also, just as a little thought experiment, if all 8 billion people on earth watched the movie and fused with goku, he would have an amp of around 5 followed by 5591760034 zeros… of course this would never happen but that number x goku is technically the highest you could scale this guy if you interpret fusing with the audience as fusing with each individual member or you could be boring and say that’s only a 40 billion amp
Fun fact: God Fusion Goku is generally considered the only confirmed 4D character that is stated to explicitly shown to interact with the true 4-dimensional spacetime of the Dragon Ball cosmology, making all other characters, including those from different timelines, essentially 3-dimensional; this is because the concept of timelines is often portrayed as parallel worlds rather than separate 4-dimensional universes within the narrative of Dragon Ball like jiren being beyond time is just him being stronger than anyone else that can used time hax like jiren being stronger than hit it just talks about him having the power that is beyond his own concept of time in the Dragon Ball universe not time itself and if you think anyone in dragon ball except for god fusion Goku is 4D than by that logic Gojo is also 4D because he can affect spacetime 😉
If this Goku isn't the strongest version of Goku then who is. For a very long time i thought this version of Goku was the strongest. So is jump force goku or Universe tree power Goku the strongest ? Can you make a video telling us who's the strongest Version?
If we're talking the age old vs debate stuff... I wouldn't count this, since it's still a fusion. Yes. You could make the argument God Fusion "Goku" could beat so many characters... But it's not really anymore Goku than Gogeta or Vegito is. In a vs debate, where it's a fair 1v1, God Fusion "Goku" doesn't count. Then it would just be God Fusion Goku vs someone else.
A potara fusion multiplier is 4k because of a statement being said that super vegeto is the same as ssj4 goku not in power and if the fusion dance is close to that then it will be at the thousands
The avatars of the audience are just like the avatar of a writer. They are representations of the beings beyond the 4th wall responsible for the shows creation in its creator, and responsible for its success continuation in its fans. So the avatars of the audience fused with goku is a clear cut boundless and beyond level character since the avatar of real humans is the highest level of conception you can go in fiction. So no this is not fraud at all and no one thinks fictional characters are actually in real life Now given that arale forced the avatar of her own creator to change her story and super goku is now more powerful than that, idk if god fusion goku would be equal to super goku or super Arale since that’s how insanely powerful the characters in super have scaled to these days
you CANNOT be beyond fiction. you have to actually be real to be beyond fiction, otherwise it doesn't make sense. you can only have infinite power within the bounds of your world, no matter how busted the writers make you.
If you fused with someone in real life then you would be real lol. I dont understand why anyone would argue against this, unless you just hate powerscaling.
@@thealien4863 ? You mean a real person fusing with another person? Yeah that person is actually real cause their past selves were real. Fiction isn’t reality you can never scale a fictional character to an actual person.
Goku is supposed to be fusing with the audience meaning you or real people. We are by definition beyond fiction and can erase any fictional work by deleting it or ripping it in a comics case. He is not fusing with a "fictional" version of the audience theoretically he'd be fusing with you directly meaning he'd have all of your capabilities that is why he is considered(rightly so) beyond fiction. There is a 'real audience' in the movie but it shows no people just seats because you're actively the people. I feel it's a weak debunk of the boundless claim because it's ignoring creators intent which is a massive mistake powerscalers make. If you sit down and ask what is the writer obviously trying to portray, in this case it couldn't be more obvious they are saying "we want you to feel like you're fusing with goku in the most realistic way possible despite you being real and him being fiction." Unironically the shenron part to make this happen supports the claim he is boundless because how else would he fuse with people beyond his plane of existence entirely. Ignoring writer intent is a mistake power scalers make way too often and it's proven by the fact I could scale goku above about every anime character if I just use his manga feat of breaking the panel as a kid or interacting with toribot.
Wrong. People could watch this and everyone could've refused to fuse with him and he still would've done the motions and stuff, because he's fictional. And the audience in the movie is obviously there for a reason, did you think they just...randomly put in a bunch of movie theater seats for no reason whatsoever? What's more is you didn't acknowledge the other points he brought up, such as Archie Sonic coming into the real world, or Dread Pool. Are they boundless too? No.
@@lostcause7529 No offense but if you could understand what writers intent meant you would realize nothing you said made any sense. The writer is intending for him to be fused to the audience who is watching it play out and is actively acknowledging you in the state you are as in you are a human watching in the real world hence why it was specifically only in a theater that was 4d and not released everywhere. If you refuse he fuses with everyone except you. It would take 1 person to reach that power realistically but again you are ignoring obvious authors intent. There are a bunch of characters considered to be boundless I'm not sure if you're purposefully being ignorant to that fact or genuinely don't know but boundless was not invented for God fusion goku nor was the term beyond fiction. If the person says they are going to the real world and go to their version of real it isn't the same as literally becoming one with an audience in theaters watching. Cc goku can destroy the "real" universe but real to them is Beats world and he's fiction. I don't care about how you want to classify Archie sonic I never made an argument regarding him so why would I bring him up here when talking about a specific event unique to God fusion goku. How many characters can you say literally fused with their audience in a hyper immersive limited theatrical 4d release like which Archie sonic movie was that?
@@Jsipki265 He is and you're wrong. He'd technically be half of me if I watched the movie in theater and I hate to break it to you I can literally no diff any of your favorite characters by ripping up a comic of them or deleting a video of them😂
@@saidomiv3465 @saidomiv3465 Still incorrect. This is just a feat of interacting with the real world. Deadpool literally goes and kills his writers. He is not boundless. Archie Sonic leaves his comic and goes to the real world. He isn't boundless. You also keep trying to say "Author's intent" by the Author's intent is exactly what you say: he wanted the audience to feel like they were fusing with Goku. Key words: FEEL LIKE. They aren't actually, and as dude said in the video, there's literally an audience in the movie itself. One thing you also didn't even debunk, which I'm still waiting on, is the fact that if this was played and no one went to the theater, guess what? Goku still fuses with nobody and still one shots Broly even though nobody is there, because it's a fictional movie. Also "Fusing with an audience in a hyper immersive 4d movie" it being hyper immersive and 4d is irrelevant, for starters, you just said that to make it seem more impressive. Also you only prove my point by saying "I solo any fictional character by ripping up their book" okay and I still solo God Fusion Goku by ripping up his promotional material or shutting off the screen. Because he's still fictional. Also since you tried to act like I said Boundless or beyond fiction was made for God Fusion Goku, please point out where exactly I said that?
I was on the ride, before the end of the ride Goku looks at the camara and says "Superman and Kirby can totally beat the shit of any version of mine, this is canon forever, also with no powers involved Batman beats me at pure hand to hand" then he accidentaly kiss Homelander and destroys the Shingekiverse I give you all my pinky promise so you know I am not lying
i mean i hope you keep this tune when talking about lovecraft scaling and some characters like cosmic armor superman because it would be pretty hypocritcal otherwise so that the statement of nothing being beyond fiction stands
@lonkstakes yes but don't they ultimately imply the same things? Lovecraft writing that the outer gods are beyond comprehension and DC and Marvel having characters that can travel to the real world despite that obviously not actually happening. If anything I think god fusion actually has a greater claim to real world interaction than others because of the ride explicitly being touted as interacting with the actual audience rather than just some plain writing or media on a page.
Mr myx beating up the DC authors beats that if no one at the ride Goku still does the motions fusing with no one which means he bound by fiction since he following a script made from real humans while the mr myx stuff is shown to be one hundred percent happening
The problem is you would need proof and feats to do that and for a conceptual character or hypothetical fusion the only way to scale would be with combining feats leading to head canon 😞
You mean… comp goku? When you take the best feats and all the positives of each official version of goku? Composite characters arent too hard to find scales on if a series has over 3 versions of a character.
to just explain the real audience were in the ship , the ship is the cinema , that goku does not affect reality he is beyond one layer of fiction , or he is just the link between the audience and the fiction in where the audience has the power to change fiction
Still can't beat mexican goku.
Calm down you’re going too far… chill Mexican goku too much
The power that makes Twitter Rage upon Appearing.
True, but also drip Goku negs
Actually the strongest version is SH Figuarts Mexican Goku, because trying to buy him will make your kidney dissapear.
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Action figure Goku is the strongest form as it has the potential to hurt you irl if it falls on you or something.
Well real things in the real world are real, so I guess action figure Goku does trancend fiction... technically.
@@Godzillagamr999 do you know how strong Gt Characters are I Know Gt Gohan is Universal since he fought a Being that Stronger than Buu any version of Buu plus he actually Trains
@@ClashMasterStudios Universal or low multiversal if u wanna be generous. Im not a pro powerscaler but thats what ive heard GT calced to
@@Godzillagamr999they're generously universal. All their universal feats are destruction overtime and not immediately like goku vs beerus
@@RedShadowAMV Buuhan was going to destroy the barriers holding back multiple universal bodies. gt upscales and is casually universal at a low end
God Fusion Goku makes fiction look like Yamacha
Uh oh
Fraud watch 👆
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you saying Yamcha is weak?
GREAT LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL GOD FUSION GOKU HOW STRONG IS
gohan calvo >
hermano >
Base mr satan >
Water vegeta >
Base Yamcha >
gohan negro e Blanco >
Finally someone who covers God Fusion Goku
Most folks just don’t actually know who he is, which isn’t their fault
I didnt even knew that version existed lol
Because he’s such a lame character
EXCELLENT LONK'S TAKES WORK. POWER SCALING GOD FUSION GOKU
Fans:God Fusion Goku is limitless! He solos fiction! He fused with human beings-
Gokule:
"God fusion Goku is the strongest because he has the power of real people" ah yes, so he can now be killed by a mosquito
He transcends every fictional universe including cosmic armor superman lol
@@thealien4863 Cosmic Armour Superman isn't a verse though. It's one of the mid tier to low tier forms of Superman from the Detective Comics verse.
Mxy is above Thought Robot, let alone other more powerful forms of Superman such as Milk-Man Man, Sting, Rebirth and Strange Visitor. A few of them even reach Baseline Extraversal.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki you do know that he views all of fiction as... well fiction he transcends every fictional verse
@@moussadiarra9247 who??
@@thealien4863cosmic armor superman is above massively over Mr myx who beat up the authors of Dc and destroyed a studio in our real world Pfft my guy DC and marvel has similar feats like this there not just brought up since people don't want to be Goku fans like you
I think what would be interesting to cover would be goku vs the Shadow man from Black Ops 3
As someone who played BO3 Zombies to its end and seen all easter eggs, The Shadow Man should be able to BFR him into a separate universe.
@@juliusnovachrono4370 if dragon ball characters are strong enough they can kinda resist battlefield removal, like how porunga couldn't teleport goku away
Shadow man just haves way way more hax, but Goku takes every other category.
@RedShadowAMV that's because of the dragons having limits in general. It isn't due to immunity to hax or anything in that case. If you want to provide arguments of power > hax in DB, use Vegito. Despite being turned into literal candy, he could talk, breathe, fight etc because he was stronger than buu lol
Didn't that God guy destroy an entire Multiverse that contained Infinite Timelines?? That's a greater feat than anything in Super. Although all I've done is play half of COD Zombies 2. I've never been able to play anything else to know if that's actually true.
Omni Goku:💀 Seprhiam Goku:💀 Drip Goku: 💀 hey it's me a door Goku: 💀 the Church of Goku Goku:💀
Fortnite goku>
Objection, he looks cool and I like him so he solos fiction
The Fraud warning 😭
Foreshadowing
I appreciate the fact that the whole "beyond fiction" thing was brought up. I find it hilarious when people make that claim about characters. The really funny thing is, the things they bring up actually prove that their characters are weaker than your average character.
Just as a direct example, Archie Sonic exits his comic and takes the place of his own author. People look at that and say that it makes Archie Sonic one of the most powerful entities in fiction. That actually proves he is in the running for one of the weakest. It shows us that Sonic exists in a canonically fictional universe, and he has to exit that fictional universe to enter a fictional version of the real world to replace the fictional version of his author. So, by the standards of most other universes where they are canonically reality, Sonic has to transcend his canonically fictional universe, in order to even enter the reality of a more traditional series, and all he accomplishes when he does that, is draw some pictures.
That's pretty much just the bad faith argument version of the type of argument people usually make for these feats, honestly I think it should be ignored for the most part
Yea I feel like it's more of a gag than a feat like the non canon black hole saitama cover@@projectmessiah
@@yanim8s350 I wouldn't go as far as writing all cases off as gags especially since some of them are in relatively serious plots but I think it's something where there are just to many variables and different interpretation one can make of what it actually equates to power wise that I think it's best to just consider any other feats by the character first.
@projectmessiah yea I agree with that that's the best outlook I forgot that context matters too
@projectmessiah yea I feel like fiction reaching feats are really convoluted to actually analyze because most of the time it may not even be a power feat while sometimes it can like with arale ripping the pages
Yo, you should cover jump force Goku. I don't see a lot of coverage on him and I feel like I don't really know that much about him. Plus, it would make a great video!
Finally someone uses the actual meme embodied…
Haven't watched the video yet but its either going to be the biggest glazing ever and scale him to shitversal or cap him at like 5D max , no in-between.
how do you feel after watching it
@@princevrak3907agreed with pretty much everything other than maybe this version of Goku being above his canon self( i don't think there is any evidence of the Goku in this being as strong as the canon version ) , always thought the arguments for him being above fiction or smth like that to be bullshit , his ass is NOT him lmao
“Shitversal” has me rolling 💀
Huh@@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2
Shitversal gave me a chuckle. Honestly with the number of tiers now "Outerversal, Extraversal, Pataversal, Xelitheseal, etc...." it can make it seem like that, as some people wank Goku to absurd levels. Like actually taking the "hyperdimensional" bollicks at face value and somehow making Goku Pataversal and able to solo Lovecraft, Stephen King, Tenchi Muyo, Slayers, Bastard, D.C., etc..... even though it never makes sense.
If you feel like God Fusion Goku isn’t transcendental to fiction, one argument I could make is that the battles taking place in The Real 4D movie interacts with the real world by making the seats shake and whatnot.
This is ratty asf
Everytime I see someone saying BEYOND FICTION in debates I am like "Oh... Oh no... So it's THAT kind of person..."
god fusion goku is beyond gokuversal
Thank you so much for making this. I literally have been in power scaling debates, and these random people will just say "you didnt say which version of Goku, so god fusion Goku, because he is beyond fiction-"
And they dont even KNOW what theyre talking about. People need to start researching the things theyre talking about.
It's just a bunch of people playing the longest game of telephone you've ever seen
Powerscale fortnite goku
Unironicaly might be the strongest, he has access to the Destiny 2 cosmology which you can scale as high as high as high outerversal or boundless
He already made a short about it
@@iansahleen1173Fortnite Goku is the strongest Goku but Fortnite doom is the strongest of ninety percent of fiction then
@@gameuniverse5973 definitely, the Slayer is pretty high up there but I’d say Fortnite Superman, Fortnite Petter Griffin and the Fortnite versions of the Destiny 2 cast are still tougher
@@iansahleen1173 I say Fortnite doom since it took everyone from Fortnite even past chars to team up to take him with him not even losing
He also shown getting stronger after his defeat regardless
Thank you, the argument for God Fusion Goku being beyond fiction is so dumb. Like if you really want a Goku that can fight Superman (with relatively unwonky scaling) just go for Fortnite Goku not this fraud.
I'd rather hang myself than even let the mention of Fortnite Goku leave my mouth in a powerscaling debate
Believe it or not, Fortnite Goku might actually be outer due to scaling to Fortnite Thor who is stated to be the 616 comic variation of him who has high outer scaling
@@ashuraomega1000 That was my point, yes. Also, Fortnite Goku was stated to be the most powerful thing introduced to Fortnite at the time, putting his above literally all of Marvel and even potentially DC.
@@jeremymorris345 Maybe not DC but potentially Marvel yes
Yet can be one tapped with a baseball bat. Fartnite "physics" is nonsensical and incoherent at best.
Finally, someone that dosent overrates god fusion Goku, that fodder caps at Low complex at max!!
Good video man👍
Hyper
Wrong! The SHFiguart Goku is the strongest, it can actually lead to real pain whenever we try fixing it, but in the shows, we can’t get hurt!
I think this video was a 10 out of 10 but bro, be prepared because a lot of people are going to debunk this video even though this video was accurate get ready
This ride looks hype tho
It’s ABOUT TIME. Thank you, Lonk. The BS z about GFG being “oH hEs sTrOnGeR tHaN fIcTiOn” was driving me INSANE. Hell, the real world isn’t even really transcendent to all of fiction. We just view it that way. It’s a Gwenpool situation, really.
Would you powerscale 100 Years Timeskip Goku?
In conclusion: there is no such thing as being "beyond fiction"
Pretty much
Well "beyond fiction" would mean real so in theory we all are "beyond fiction
@@Green_man887yes but no character really is “beyond” fiction
they're about as "beyond fiction" as your anime waifu
True
Very cool, I have seen people cover GFG, but they always are using the most insane scaling known to man, without covering the ride's story or the in-universe explanation. Would be curious to see you cover other versions of Goku that people say are OP like Fortnite and Jump Force Goku, especially Jump Force because for the life of me I haven't seen anyone truly cover that despite the fact people claim he is Outer all the time.
Actually, in the movie, Goku blatantly says he could beat all of fiction once he fused. I was there, so I saw it, for real.
Nuh uh
Writer’s fallacy
I was there too but he said that he could beat my ass and solo my virginity, does that make him High Outerversal or High Extraversal??
True. The best part of the ride was when he threw it back and I could feel it🥵 truly the goku who has suprased fiction
@@rednaxela5960 So real 🥵 Goku is so goated...
God Fusion Goku makes me look like Below Average Human Level
Of course it's not literal. The author intent is that you "play along"
Can’t wait for the next video to be Goku vs the real world 🔥
(Or perhaps or even just Goku vs the animators/artists.)
LOVE YOUR VIDEOSS MANN
Remember when people were saying that dora was strong and beyond ficton beacuse you would say no and she would still go to the right direction....
Yeah this is that
8:01 this coming from Lonk of all people gotta tell yall something
Dam the god fusion goku ride lasted longer then my relationship
Now what seraphim Goku next
The most shocking thing about this video is the fact that God Fusion Goku had black hair strands, thought that was just shading/lighting giving that black color in the poster and I never watched the ride
Can you scale the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Goku next?
To be fair, instead of SSJ Blue Goku×500, it might be:
SSJ Blue Goku×5=A
A×5=B
B×5=C
C×5... 100 times over.
But yeah, he's definitely not transcending fiction.
what about jump force goku? how strong is he? or even cc goku?
Maybe I’ll have to make a video about it
@@lonkstakesYou're playing with serious fire dawg. If you scale Jump Force Goku to anything lower than boundless you're gonna get like seventeen people on your meat crying about how Goku solos fiction
@@lonkstakesDo you know about Hyper Goku?
@@Linear_Line_423fr when ever people actually scales them withoit glaze people will hate on them for not making them boundless++
@@lonkstakesyeah and make one about red from SNES Godzilla so you know how actually strong he can be
Heard of this Goku variant and the god form Broly, never bothered to mention them since as you mention, never saw the movie and while I heard that it's a fusion with the audience I had no clue how that would even work within the verse.
Considering it's literally only just a bunch of people with a pl of 5 at average it's probably not really doing anything that would make the fusion mess up besides the fact that how would he coordinate with hundreds of people and correctly pull off the dance I don't even know how this would work in the verse😭
Yay new vid!
Thanks for being here early :)
@ No prob!
Unfortunately, that last bit at the end of the video is true lmao. I hate how people will dead ass tell you Goku is stronger than fiction because he can blow up a planet.. like nobody else in fiction can do that. Stitch from Stitch's Great Escape did what DB Glazers think Goku did. Stitch breaks out of his tomb and harasses everybody on the ride, as well as sneaks out to mess with Disneyland itself. The ride even had these gross ass speakers that you could smell into and you'd smell his burps or his gas, it was really bad at the end of its life cycle. The fact that Stitch of all characters beats Goku at his own game is the funniest thing to me
People just can't fathom the vast differences in power. Some people think that destroying a Solar System somehow makes somebody almost Galaxy level and how people somehow think that destroying the Moon is Large planet to Star+
Absolutely ridiculous.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Don't even get me started on the "Cell is actually multiversal with infinite speed" thing
@@Linear_Line_423 I've legitimately never seen something like that. It must be them taking the movies as cannon and then taking the Hyperbolic statement of Freeza having enough power to destroy the Universe and then taking other inconsistent and hyperbolic out of verse statements of the Super dimensional and above Dimensional cosmology of the Afterlife. Which is contradictory to what's shown and stated by Toriyama and in the manga.
I've actually seen people somehow manage to wank Second Form Freeza to Hyperversal with those things. And then taking all movies as cannon too is just absurd, as if every movie took place in the exact same Timeline which they literally never prove or back up and absolutely contradicts countless events in the series.
It just hurts my brain sometimes.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki If I'm not mistaken its thanks to people taking the statements in guides as hyper literally. How this gets Cell above Uni is beyond me however
@Linear_Line_423 I'll always have Freeza at Large Star+ and Super Perfect Cell at Solar System level. That's a 1,440x difference in power using real life cosmology scaling for our own solar system. (1,440 of our Suns can fit within the Oort Cloud of our Solar System.)
He ain't beating Goku tho! 🗣️
TRUE!!!
Could you please do AF Goku next (the one that can go up to Super Saiyan 10) because giving his feet at least kill him to outerversal and that even maybe a HUGE lowball
The reason god fusion goku is believed to be above fiction is because it’s believed he fused with his own author not just the audience.
He cannot ever fuse with his own author. Toriyama is no longer with us.
I think a perfect follow up video to this would be going through and covering which Goku is actually the strongest. I’m thinking it’s either Hero’s Legacy Goku or DB Heroes Goku
There will be a day when someone beats SCP-3812 for me... Today was not that day, but thank you for the obscure media lol.
Thanks for doing this. Sometimes, i feel like I'm the only person that know about him
Great video!
Wouldn't the god fusion be 500x stronger than ssjb goku kaioken with that being his strongest form instead of regular blue
He fused with blue goku, so it would just be base blue
isn’t he fusing with each person individually? wouldn’t it instead be 5^(amount of people) * Goku? if there are around 100~ people with powers levels around 5, that would make god fusion goku’s amp 8 duovigintillion (8 followed by 70 zeros)
Edit: also, just as a little thought experiment, if all 8 billion people on earth watched the movie and fused with goku, he would have an amp of around 5 followed by 5591760034 zeros… of course this would never happen but that number x goku is technically the highest you could scale this guy if you interpret fusing with the audience as fusing with each individual member
or you could be boring and say that’s only a 40 billion amp
Fun fact: God Fusion Goku is generally considered the only confirmed 4D character that is stated to explicitly shown to interact with the true 4-dimensional spacetime of the Dragon Ball cosmology, making all other characters, including those from different timelines, essentially 3-dimensional; this is because the concept of timelines is often portrayed as parallel worlds rather than separate 4-dimensional universes within the narrative of Dragon Ball like jiren being beyond time is just him being stronger than anyone else that can used time hax like jiren being stronger than hit it just talks about him having the power that is beyond his own concept of time in the Dragon Ball universe not time itself and if you think anyone in dragon ball except for god fusion Goku is 4D than by that logic Gojo is also 4D because he can affect spacetime 😉
Talk about Reimu Hakurei (Touhou project) vs Goku (DBS) and how this battle is unbalanced, I'll only stop when you say no
I said that match up a few years ago for jokes I dint think other people would also think of it I even suggested that has a death battle mu
Dang and the current state of Dragonball makes it hard to ever know if we could ever get a statement on the power of the goated One.
The Strongest Know Version of Goku is from db super heroes and is called "Super Saiyan Blue (Universe Tree)
Unironically, Fartnite Goku would one shot.
I got someone that'll solos the fan verse and cannon DB and anime verse:
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If this Goku isn't the strongest version of Goku then who is. For a very long time i thought this version of Goku was the strongest. So is jump force goku or Universe tree power Goku the strongest ? Can you make a video telling us who's the strongest Version?
guys I was there god fusion goku actually beat me like my dad which makes them relative and thus makes god fusion goku solo fiction🔥🔥🔥
Mr Hercules Satan Mark is still stronger 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️
Animal Man mentioned, Lonk da goat
You have no Idea how long some one had to cover this he very forgetten
If we're talking the age old vs debate stuff... I wouldn't count this, since it's still a fusion. Yes. You could make the argument God Fusion "Goku" could beat so many characters... But it's not really anymore Goku than Gogeta or Vegito is. In a vs debate, where it's a fair 1v1, God Fusion "Goku" doesn't count. Then it would just be God Fusion Goku vs someone else.
The strongest Goku is Fortnite Goku... cuz he gets Marvel and DC scaling
Truee
Both fodder well marvel not but dc yes
A potara fusion multiplier is 4k because of a statement being said that super vegeto is the same as ssj4 goku not in power and if the fusion dance is close to that then it will be at the thousands
God Fusion Goku may be strong, but he can’t match the power of Drip Goku
I know there’s probably one change anything, but don’t the two characters have to be the same power level to fuse using the fusion
Not necessarily if u listen to statements from toriyama but from the show yes.
The avatars of the audience are just like the avatar of a writer. They are representations of the beings beyond the 4th wall responsible for the shows creation in its creator, and responsible for its success continuation in its fans. So the avatars of the audience fused with goku is a clear cut boundless and beyond level character since the avatar of real humans is the highest level of conception you can go in fiction. So no this is not fraud at all and no one thinks fictional characters are actually in real life
Now given that arale forced the avatar of her own creator to change her story and super goku is now more powerful than that, idk if god fusion goku would be equal to super goku or super Arale since that’s how insanely powerful the characters in super have scaled to these days
you CANNOT be beyond fiction. you have to actually be real to be beyond fiction, otherwise it doesn't make sense. you can only have infinite power within the bounds of your world, no matter how busted the writers make you.
If you fused with someone in real life then you would be real lol. I dont understand why anyone would argue against this, unless you just hate powerscaling.
@@thealien4863 ? You mean a real person fusing with another person? Yeah that person is actually real cause their past selves were real. Fiction isn’t reality you can never scale a fictional character to an actual person.
@@thealien4863 you can't fuse with someone in real life
Can you make a video on the actual strongest version of Goku
random ik but could you do Broly vs Cell, im not much of a power scaler but im curious how that would go down
I’ve made videos scaling Z Broly already (he slams cell)
im gonna be that guy..wukong victim
Another overrated fodder
Powerscale El hermano
No lonk… you aren’t supposed to debunk him. It’s just funny to use him against bad scalers. Don’t expose the truth!!!
all this for Superman to still fold bro and one shot the verse🥱
Goku is supposed to be fusing with the audience meaning you or real people. We are by definition beyond fiction and can erase any fictional work by deleting it or ripping it in a comics case. He is not fusing with a "fictional" version of the audience theoretically he'd be fusing with you directly meaning he'd have all of your capabilities that is why he is considered(rightly so) beyond fiction.
There is a 'real audience' in the movie but it shows no people just seats because you're actively the people. I feel it's a weak debunk of the boundless claim because it's ignoring creators intent which is a massive mistake powerscalers make. If you sit down and ask what is the writer obviously trying to portray, in this case it couldn't be more obvious they are saying "we want you to feel like you're fusing with goku in the most realistic way possible despite you being real and him being fiction." Unironically the shenron part to make this happen supports the claim he is boundless because how else would he fuse with people beyond his plane of existence entirely.
Ignoring writer intent is a mistake power scalers make way too often and it's proven by the fact I could scale goku above about every anime character if I just use his manga feat of breaking the panel as a kid or interacting with toribot.
Wrong. People could watch this and everyone could've refused to fuse with him and he still would've done the motions and stuff, because he's fictional. And the audience in the movie is obviously there for a reason, did you think they just...randomly put in a bunch of movie theater seats for no reason whatsoever? What's more is you didn't acknowledge the other points he brought up, such as Archie Sonic coming into the real world, or Dread Pool. Are they boundless too? No.
He’s not beyond fiction
@@lostcause7529 No offense but if you could understand what writers intent meant you would realize nothing you said made any sense. The writer is intending for him to be fused to the audience who is watching it play out and is actively acknowledging you in the state you are as in you are a human watching in the real world hence why it was specifically only in a theater that was 4d and not released everywhere. If you refuse he fuses with everyone except you. It would take 1 person to reach that power realistically but again you are ignoring obvious authors intent.
There are a bunch of characters considered to be boundless I'm not sure if you're purposefully being ignorant to that fact or genuinely don't know but boundless was not invented for God fusion goku nor was the term beyond fiction. If the person says they are going to the real world and go to their version of real it isn't the same as literally becoming one with an audience in theaters watching. Cc goku can destroy the "real" universe but real to them is Beats world and he's fiction. I don't care about how you want to classify Archie sonic I never made an argument regarding him so why would I bring him up here when talking about a specific event unique to God fusion goku.
How many characters can you say literally fused with their audience in a hyper immersive limited theatrical 4d release like which Archie sonic movie was that?
@@Jsipki265 He is and you're wrong. He'd technically be half of me if I watched the movie in theater and I hate to break it to you I can literally no diff any of your favorite characters by ripping up a comic of them or deleting a video of them😂
@@saidomiv3465 @saidomiv3465 Still incorrect. This is just a feat of interacting with the real world. Deadpool literally goes and kills his writers. He is not boundless. Archie Sonic leaves his comic and goes to the real world. He isn't boundless. You also keep trying to say "Author's intent" by the Author's intent is exactly what you say: he wanted the audience to feel like they were fusing with Goku. Key words: FEEL LIKE. They aren't actually, and as dude said in the video, there's literally an audience in the movie itself. One thing you also didn't even debunk, which I'm still waiting on, is the fact that if this was played and no one went to the theater, guess what? Goku still fuses with nobody and still one shots Broly even though nobody is there, because it's a fictional movie. Also "Fusing with an audience in a hyper immersive 4d movie" it being hyper immersive and 4d is irrelevant, for starters, you just said that to make it seem more impressive. Also you only prove my point by saying "I solo any fictional character by ripping up their book" okay and I still solo God Fusion Goku by ripping up his promotional material or shutting off the screen. Because he's still fictional.
Also since you tried to act like I said Boundless or beyond fiction was made for God Fusion Goku, please point out where exactly I said that?
Please power scale fortnite Goku and also thank god you made a video about him because people believe he is strong when in reality he is not
He already made a short about it
Nah God Fusion Goku is my Goat and he's goated in Power.
Look who is speaking Fax!
“God Fusion Goku. Most DB fans don’t even know who that is.”
Me, a DB fan: The fuck is a God Fusion Goku?
I was on the ride, before the end of the ride Goku looks at the camara and says "Superman and Kirby can totally beat the shit of any version of mine, this is canon forever, also with no powers involved Batman beats me at pure hand to hand" then he accidentaly kiss Homelander and destroys the Shingekiverse
I give you all my pinky promise so you know I am not lying
Absolute Cinema
I forgot people scale god fusion goku
C'mon man we just wanna rival CA Supes
God fusion goku litterally washes anything ever in fiction and that’s all I know from this one video never knew him before (real)
i mean i hope you keep this tune when talking about lovecraft scaling and some characters like cosmic armor superman because it would be pretty hypocritcal otherwise so that the statement of nothing being beyond fiction stands
Lovecraft and DC get there scaling from completely different things tho…?
@lonkstakes yes but don't they ultimately imply the same things? Lovecraft writing that the outer gods are beyond comprehension and DC and Marvel having characters that can travel to the real world despite that obviously not actually happening. If anything I think god fusion actually has a greater claim to real world interaction than others because of the ride explicitly being touted as interacting with the actual audience rather than just some plain writing or media on a page.
@ the scaling of the gods and dc does not come from the idea of “real world interaction” lol
Mr myx beating up the DC authors beats that if no one at the ride
Goku still does the motions fusing with no one which means he bound by fiction since he following a script made from real humans while the mr myx stuff is shown to be one hundred percent happening
Lowkey should do Jaco vs chiaotzu
Scale THE god fusion goku this version is when goku dbs and goku whatever series fuse
The problem is you would need proof and feats to do that and for a conceptual character or hypothetical fusion the only way to scale would be with combining feats leading to head canon 😞
You mean… comp goku? When you take the best feats and all the positives of each official version of goku? Composite characters arent too hard to find scales on if a series has over 3 versions of a character.
What he gonna do when Angel fusion Yajirobe pull up with infinite senzus
The strongest version is
Omni God Saigeta
3 way fusion Of Saitama Vegeta and Goku
Thanks to god i wasn't there if i was he would get one shoot by air
What about fan continuation ssj10 AF Goku
bro we need this win card
to just explain the real audience were in the ship , the ship is the cinema , that goku does not affect reality he is beyond one layer of fiction , or he is just the link between the audience and the fiction in where the audience has the power to change fiction
Fortnite goku vs jumpforce goku next
Fortnite Goku is honestly stronger considering Fortnite is connected to almost all fiction
Nah I was there goku fused with me
Heyyy im in the video, also what about fortnite Goku?
He still gets one shot by Sun Wukong
Drop Goku
All that to get destroyed by Mr Satan
Wait a minute so is Dragon ball Evolution Goku the strongest Since he's technically real like us😂