Hey Patrick, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30! Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because you might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup. You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust. You have the resources and I really need to know this for my next purchase!
@@shzammpatapon9865 The FX3 (which i've shot with a lot) has the same IBIS issues as the A1, a7siii, a7iv etc - The OSS can help a bit but it still fights you and gets noticeable jerky for the way we film these. Could work for your use case though! Also subjectively I prefer the oversampled 6K out of the FX30 to the FX3's 4K.
The more I see the FX30 covered in reviews and comparisons, the more I think of keeping the FX30 no matter what other cameras interest me. Hands down, the FX30 is a great camera. It's always good to see the two creators I trust the most together for a collab. More Undone and Tomasso collabs, please.
@@DarkPa1adin usually a 24-70mm and a 16mm sigma for a fixed top down + face cam setup. other lenses too when I'm shooting different multicam scenarios :)
Guys, that was a great video. I have the A1, and the stabilisation is as you say, meh, that said, what I absolutely love is that I can shoot in 8K and have a slightly broader scene and reframe in post. For people like me, who are not very skilled, this is really powerful. You hear people say why do you record in 8K when you don’t have an 8K TV, but they’re missing the point of the power and value of shooting in a 8K, cropping, re-framing or creating a pan when there was no original movement in the camera. So my friends, while I might be a Muppet in my skill level, it would seem there are people who are Muppet like than even me.
You guys have such a good chemistry with each other. I want to see a (very silly) Studio Undone where Patrick is in front of the camera critiquing Gerald's studio and Gerald has to defend himself while operating the camera for Patrick. Keep up the great work you two!
All of those reasons are why I love my a9iii. Incredible stabilization and incredible picture - it’s often overlooked as a video camera, but I think it’s the best middle ground in all these areas that you can get right now.
I think the a6700 is rated at 5 stops vs FX30's 5.5 stops, so I would very much be interested in seeing that test as I have both cameras myself and wonder which I should bring for run and gun situations!
Big fan of this style of video. It’s nice to follow what you guys have been shooting with the tours and then breaking down why you use a certain camera.
Went for the FX30 last year and everyday I thank myself for it. I don't care about Full Frame and I do video professionnally. Paired with the right lenses (Sigma 30 F1,4, Sigma 16 F1,4 and Tamron 11-20 F2,8) and the right lighting the image is absolutely stunning !
@@mdenjoyer831 Some footage on my Channel directly (nerdy musical content in French aha sorry I guess) I also sometimes use my ZVE10 for content creation. I always specify what camera in the description. I actually didn't know the Viltrox existed so I went for the Sigma 16. If the 16 breaks, I'd likely replace it with the Viltrox 13mm
I just bought the Lumix S5iiX and I love it... The FX30 has a place in my heart and I still want it... But I need to get better at stroytelling, audio and lighting. Love the collab "tools" hahaha
I don't know if it's the same problem but on my a7IV I allowed overheating in settings and I've never overheated once even in short interviews "40 min" 4k25 or shooting with the sun of spain!
@@snappy8k Agreed; I use Ulanzi fan for tripod/handheld and a Tilta cooling unit for gimbal with a power brick attached (that also recharges the gimbal!)
7:08 - pushing the ISO to 1600 - Gerald and Patrick wouldn't it be better to utilize the dual native ISO of 2500 when trying to get better noise performance? Great video , you two have awesome chemistry... Would 100% listen to a podcast hosted by you both! Think about it ;)
@@KDHildreth simple answer? i don't care - complicated answer, i'm not dealing with jumping to 2500 and then stopping the lens down more in a run and gun on the fly situation. It's not like it's even noticeably noisy unless you're pixel peeping, which again... we're not making a movie. Truth be told we could probably shoot these on an iPhone.
I shoot my videos all across the world and use the Sony ZV-1 now mostly because of its compact and unobtrusive size. Like Patrick noted, having the smaller camera package really puts subjects at ease.
Hey Gerald, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30! Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because Patrick might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup. You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust.
An important note here is that the Sony mount was designed before in body image stabilization existed, it is too small to allow IBIS to work properly. With an APS-C sensor there is then plenty of room to do IBIS properly.
I have an A6700. I love it but want a second camera to go with it and I have really been considering the FX30 as my second camera instead of say an ZV E10m2 just so I can have a dedicated self cooled video camera. On the note of stability. The A6700 seems to be a little twitchy. I am going to do some test using it with and without the IBIS and with and without the active stabe.
I recently got the ZV-E1, and aside from adding a $70 external fan to manage overheating during long shoots, I absolutely love it and its features. As a newcomer to cameras, having upgraded from an iPhone 15 Pro Max, I've found the ZV-E1 to be a fantastic choice. The IBIS (In-Body Image Stabilization) is excellent-especially for my wife, who tends to be quite shaky. It really helps in both videos and photography. Choosing the right camera was challenging since I had no idea what to look for or understand much of the camera jargon. We compared the ZV-E1, FX3, FX30, and A7S III. Ultimately, we chose the ZV-E1 because it’s newer, more affordable, has AI features, and includes a Full Frame sensor. I believe it’s a great camera to learn on, and when I get more experienced, I might upgrade. For now, though, the ZV-E1 is the perfect tool for the job.
ZV-E1 all night long. Low light cheapie! Same sensor as FX3/A7SIII but with newer firmware. I shoot Blackmagic but if I had or (have in the future) low light issues, I'd buy this. FX30 ain't so good in low light, those two knuckleheads above going on with their "shooting in the studio" blah. Out in the real world (i.e. not in youtubeland), you may want to shoot at twilight without breaking the bank. Fun video though, good chemistry between those two.
Small sensor -> Action video Big sensor -> Tripod or 3D Gimbal I love my Panny G9, might not get the best IQ, but stabilization is just amazing. Best I've ever seen so far (probably the G9-II is the only one actually better, can't afford that one yet)
@@DangAlvinFilms This is probably simply physics. Bigger sensor = more mass = more inertia, cannot be controlled as precisely as a smaller, lighter sensor.
as someone who doesnt currently own sony, the FX30 is still on my wishlist. its way too cool looking has killer stats and all the mounting points i have ideas for rigging out.
Something I think would be interesting to add is that the FX30 is also probably the best Value for a video camera on the market right now. I opted to go for the FX3 for the low light performance benefits, but really I think thats the only area where the FX3 really is a blatant improvement to the FX30. I've watched countless of videos on RUclips of people using FX30s and I think they look fantastic.
I shot a travel documentary earlier this year on the FX30, and after a few days I found myself annoyed by the IBIS and ended up turning it off after a few days. It was great for walk-and-talk vérité style shooting, but when I was trying to get actual shots, I got really annoyed by the IBIS ‘catching up’ to the movements. Made post production really annoying for those first few days, but after turning it off the DaVinci Resolve stabilisation really managed to deal with all the footage extremely well. We shot handheld hanging out of car windows while driving full blast and it looked excellent after the Resolve stabilisation. Love the FX30 :)
The reason for this is, that it's much easier for a camera to stablize a APSC (cropped Sensor) Camera than a full frame because yes the sensor is smaller and works better, better performance and better speed because the camera processing system doesn't have to work as hard with APSC sensor.. This is part of the reason the other is, that well The Fx30 is a newer technology, and so the IBIS system is a better hardware system than the Alpha 1 of course, so yes it's going to do stabilization much better.. I have looked into this, my friend has an Alpha 1 and we notice better stabilization in the FX30 that i own, and wondering why at first, but then we figured it all out, #1 the FX30 has a better IBIS system (hardware) then the Alpha 1, and #2 the sensor is smaller so less work for the Camera's computer to process all that information, because it's a cropped sensor, so less data to hall.. So yes Generally APSC camera's will do better in stabilization..
FX30 is noticeably better with its IBIS over the a6700. Couldn’t tell you why, maybe it’s the increased body size. Idk 🤷♂️ Even the ibis rating is lower by half a stop on the a6700 at 5 stops vs 5.5 stops on the fx30. It’s a dang mystery.
It's better in low light, and of course full frame. the FX30 is sharper, and it's noticeable. I have both, use them both together. the FX30 and apsc lenses are far cheaper, and lighter.
@7:30 @geraldundone yes, the A1 has a 16mm lens on and the FX30 has a 10mm lens on, but you're not accounting for the crop factor. The 16mm lens is 16 on full frame. The 10mm lens is a 15mm equivalent for the crop/aps-c sensor on the FX30. The FOV for each of these setups is essentially the same. I'm sure you already know this, but the way you're explaining it in this video makes it sound like the smaller sensors just naturally enable a wider field of view for the image, but that's not the case. The 7mm glass you referenced going onto a micro-4/3 sensor camera doesn't have a super wide FOV. After taking into account the 2x crop factor for that sensor, it's a 14mm equivalent for full frame, which is very close to the 16mm you're working with. Again, just want to clarify this for people watching who may get the wrong idea about what switching to a crop sensor really means, especially in regards to the lens offerings.
If only Sony would do firmware updates to a $6,500 camera more than once in a lifetime, they could probably solve these issues!!! I wonder how Nikon fares in these tests, or as our say LUMIX, who both seem to be doing more with firmware updates…. Thanks for covering this, great stuff!
ZV-E1 with the dyanamic active would work well for that. Gyro option in Sony is good but not user friendly. Blackmagic gyro works great in it's seamlessly integrated into DaVinci Resolve
I own 7 Sony FX6 for my multicam studio setup. I need very long lenses which simply don't have the open aperture. I use now for location production mostly 5 Sony FX30 with lenses that have a 1.4 aperture and a 85 mm lens is long enough with the 1.6 factor on an APS sensor. 4k quality is not that important to me, as I record always on ATEM in HD mode to get synchronized video and audio files. I have used 4k in camera-recording with Deity synchronisation which is great for TV production, but overkill for Internet use. I have a 4k Tricaster for live 4k recording but it needs a really well experienced operator and a lot of pre-production work to get it right. So yes, the Sony FX30 is a solid work horse. BTW, if I want stabilised footage I use DJI OSMO 3.
I did a tiny bit of handheld video with the z8 and the image stabilization on full, and it was fantastic as long as I didn't do any jarring movements. There was a sudden thing that happened and I swung the camera around to try and catch it, and it distorted due to the stabilization. It seems to be more designed for turning you into a human tripod rather than smoothing out movements, which makes complete sense though.
Sony might be using different IBIS algorithms between the 2 cameras. The A1 is primarily a stills-centered camera, so maybe they use an algorithm that works better for stills. The FX30 might be using an algorithm that is better for video since it's primarily a video-centered camera. I understand that the A1 is great at both, but that's just a theory I have.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside.
The FX30 was the best investment I made last year. I love mine so much! Really hoping Tamron update the 17-70 2.8 to a G2 soon. Would be an amazing package!
We got 8 FX30s in for my job (Media IT at a university) and I have to put the kits together and managed them. The problem is that these are the best cameras students can check out at the university and word got out quickly. So of course it became a problem with students keeping them past the due date etc so now were implementing fines. I will say, over the summer, i test out the cameras (because students dont take care of shit) and I definitely think they are worth the money. I have an A7c so stabilization and 4k 120 footage is pretty neat. The crop bugs me but, I can get past that. If you're doing videos, this is a no brainer....the photos are kinda ass lmao.
I consider the amount of stops, only applies to still photography. Video stabilization is a completely different thing. Jerks and wobbliness in corners does not affect still imaging in the same way at all.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller APSC sized sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside
I shoot nature, handheld with the FX30 and the Tamron 18 - 300mm lens and it is not always perfect (sometimes far from) but it is really natural and alive. I love it. I also love the fact it doesn't weigh so much that I am put off taking it with me on my walks. I almost never put another lens on as the Tamron zoom can cover pretty much everything I want to capture (which means I don't loose the shot for the wrong lens). More zoom and handheld goes out the window, wider and the distortion gets too great. My other favorite is my DJI Pocket 3 which is even better for natural and alive (and stabilization) but limited to wide angle.
Active IS in FX30 is not "Digital". In fact, this allows the CMOS sensor to move over a larger range during image stabilization (possibly beyond the image circle of an APS-C lens), and then crop the image to obtain a more stable picture."
Absolutely love the fx30. It’s been my first camera and of course with new technology they’ll be things newer cameras can do that it can’t. But once it gives me the shots I want and the feeling I want to capture and it allows me to be creative and it essentially stays out of my way then it’s a great camera. The fx30 at any point I’d say is a great camera
about that 5.5 stops: Pretty sure that that rating doesn't include panning behavior. Also, crop factor can be directly applied. So 5.5 stops on a full frame camera translates to 3.7 stops with the same camera in APSC-mode. Sorrry to invalidate your point about M4/3 cameras: Patrick is right, the M4/3 advantage is purely due to lots of space for huge body / small sensor reasons. And Panasonic experimenting very early with dual stabilization certainly helps...
Anyone who watches a comparison of different gear and then says "Oh well just use a *insert any costly and large piece of equipment here*..." has not understood the problem. I have a gimbal, but I also shoot on my LX100 handheld a lot...
Panasonic IBIS for full frame is markedly better as well. I think Sony just has caught up in this realm. I love my fX3, but for smooth handheld without a bit rig would pick up my S5IIX any day.
i love my fx30. I called up Sony and they were kind enough to let me test out all their cameras in my budget range for however long I wanted. I saw some reviews that said how FX30 is too noisy or how it has too slow rolling shutter but from my testing I just didn't find that to be the case (to be fair I'm a colorist and I love flexible footage that's not overly processed). Yeah the fx30 footage needs some work - like any cinema camera - but I love the straight out of camera colors and I love how easy it is to get any look that I want out of the footage. The news of Sony's upcoming firmware in september with shutter angle and other bells and whistlels was just the cherry on top.
I have both an FX3 and an FX30 and I end up using the FX30 90% of the time for run and gun shoot, except when I shoot in crazy low light (where the FX30 is no match for the 12800 second base iso on the FX3). If you are gonna put it on a tripod and roll (studio situation), fine, I'll take the FX3. But when I need to actually carry the Camera and work with it all day, I'll prefer the FX30. The FX30 is way lighter, lenses are cheaper (and also lighter). When you are in a run and gun situation, weight is a big one. I'll take the slightly "worst" video quality anytime.
I have noticed that on my A93 in active, stabilization is pretty amazing. I do get that occasional quick move jerkiness on panning. But it’s pretty minimal. It’s the best Sony stabilization I have ever used (and I have used most modern Sony cameras) and it’s especially good with Sony lenses. The native lenses make a huge difference with Active Stabilization.
I upgraded to the fx30 from the a6500 and had my fx30 14 days before release date because I have a Sony Electronics membership , I also didn’t pay taxes 😊 the membership is 100 bucks a year 😊
Did a sony catalyst vs Davinci stabilization and noticed it was better just to stabilizing in Davinci. I believe Davinci can read the gyro metadata for sony files, that is if the camera supports gyro.
The A9III has great stabilization. I feel it’s only second to the Panasonic S5II/x. It’s by far Sony’s best video shooter. You should do over under test to see the exposure latitude… you will be surprised.
The zve1 has that dynamic active stabilization which is also pretty crazy. Kinda feels like catalyst browse in camera. There are some downside to using that but it’s great for broll product shots
the underrated move with sony cameras is to shoot with no ibis and then do catalyst stabilization in post (manual, 4-8%) / pre edit. the catalyst stabilization is like magic, although itll downsample the 8k from the a1 to 4k, crop in the amount of stabe and if youre not paying the monthly subscription for the prepare package, youre limited to 8bit. sony going to unfortunately sony with the software
Sony's e mount is a very small mount, originally designed for more compact cameras. As a result, a full frame sensor has less room to move for stabilization purposes. The smaller mount opening allows enough room for a crop sensor to move for IBIS, so it makes sense that it might work a little better. Canon's rf mount is huge, which gives the sensor more room to move for IBIS, but creates other issues. No system is perfect, and the engineers do a decent job across brands to make the cameras very functional.
Same thing with the a6700: Video image stabilization with the 10-20mm f/4 or the 15mm f/1.4 is near perfect with Active Steadyshot. That's why, these two lenses are my vlogging setup - the 10-20 for daylight and the 15 when it gets dark. I don't need a gimbal anymore with Sony wide angle lenses on my a6700. But unfortunately, Active Steadyshot only works with Sony lenses, but not at all or at least much worse with third party lenses. It's strange that in lens reviews, it's so rarely mentioned that Sigma or Tamron or Viltrox lenses will give you MASSIVELY worse video stabilization than Sony lenses. That's the only reason why I'm thinking about selling my otherwise excellent Sigma 18-50 for the Sony 16-55.
For most kind of still photography, the Sony A7RIVA and Sony A7RV are both better and cheaper than the A1. I wish that youtube reviewers will announce reviews if it is either a review for still photography or a review for video, thank you very much !
I have the A7SIII, which I love a lot, and just bought the A7RV, which is another beast. Planning to get an FX30 or two for streaming weddings/events and shoulder rig. A7SIII isn't that shaking when rigged out, and the A7RV has an insane IBIS with 8-stops. I think the FX30 with the PZ 18-105mm f4 OSS G would be a killer combo. Thought of buying the 28-135 f4 OSS G which is a beast but costs around 4x the price of the PZ 18-105 f4 (27-157mm f6 equivalent).
Just don’t understand why LUMIX is constantly mentioned about it’s MFT with big body-small sensor situation… the showed the same strong IS with they fullframe-small body S5II and S5iix. Dissel you forget that ..can’t imagine. Update: don’t forget the S9
speaking of comparing cameras with seemingly similar hardware, I shoot both on the FX30 as my A cam and use my A6700 as a B cam I hand to friends when we shoot multi cam "vlog" style videos for our drag racing team. The pre amps on the FX30 seem to be MUCH better, as I use the same mic (Rode VideoMicro) and same settings on both cameras, and the FX30 rarely ever experiences any heavy distortion or clipping with the loud cars, but the A6700 seems to fall apart quickly in the same scenarios. The sound is much sharper and harsher even with EQ tweaked, and dialogue volume is much lower again even at the same settings. I love my sony bodies but man they have weird quirks lol
Was going to ask why don't you pair it with s gimbal, but yeah, actually, as someone who has used gimbals a fair bit I got to agree on that. It's so hard to react to something spontaneous with a gimbal. You totally have to at least have a rough idea for your shot and set the gimbal to the correct mode etc. In situations like that you just end up fighting the gimbal which sucks.
I've used an FX30 since it was first released and love it, but now I use a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 for all my non-tripod video. What's your opinion about the smaller, one-inch sensor camera with a built-in gimbal? Is it worth the difference in image quality to have the smooth flow of pans and manual zooms?
Question: Does the FX30 active stabilization work just as good with Sony full frame lenses as it does with the APS-C glass? I have five full-frame Sony lenses and need a body with DECENT stabilization for handheld videos that'll go on social media. I was thinking of getting the Lumix G9ii + 12-35 f/2.8 Leica lens for this specific purpose, but, if I can just use the lenses I already have with the FX30, then add a little stabilization in post via Resolve, that'll save me money. BTW thank you for making this video and bringing attention to the FX30 having the best video stabilization in Sony cameras.
I don't think the size of the sensor plays such a big role in stabilization as you guys speculate. The S9's IBIS performs identical to the S5ii and only marginally worse than the GH7 but that has a FF sensor in a much smaller body than the GH7.
It's not the body size that makes a difference, its the mount diameter, which dictates how far a sensor can be moved by IBIS within the mount before it starts moving outside the image circle from the lens. Sony's mount is only just bigger than MFT, not a lot of wiggle room for a FF sensor but more for the FX30''s smaller sensor
@@impatrickt flange distance is in the z axis relative to the sensor, which is the only axis of translation IBIS doesn't do as it'll affect focus. The 5 axes are X and Y translation X,Y,Z rotation.
@@robertwlittlejohn Canon and Nikon's mirrorless mounts have a wider throat diameter than L mount, yet they have no camera that is comparable to the S5ii or S9. I think it is down to their level of expertise in IBIS.
@@Wildridefilms definately experience is a massive factor...panny knows how to do it....but FF Sony are restricted by that E mount in a way no one else is...and I doubt their FF IBIS will ever get close, it's the one reason i never went Sony as a main camera
I've been using the A1 since it came out this has been a problem from the beginning for me. I've learned to work around it in post but it's a shame on such an otherwise amazing camera. Still, I'm happy with the A1 since I have an amazing photo camera and video camera in one body which is important when you're hiking and trying to keep the weight down.
"People are different when you have a smaller package."
-Patrick Tomasso, 2024
You can't do that ... can't just steal everyone's comment for yourself on your own video .... that's illegal!
@@noenken I’m talking to my lawyers here to see what can be done
A6700 feels the same?
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Some people get afraid to bigger packages, specially if you surprise them from behind...
two tools for the job right here and I’m not talking about the cameras
It's me. I'm the tool.
(The X100VI review.)
No! We are talking about caahhmeras.
Hey Patrick, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30!
Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because you might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup.
You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust. You have the resources and I really need to know this for my next purchase!
@@shzammpatapon9865 The FX3 (which i've shot with a lot) has the same IBIS issues as the A1, a7siii, a7iv etc - The OSS can help a bit but it still fights you and gets noticeable jerky for the way we film these. Could work for your use case though!
Also subjectively I prefer the oversampled 6K out of the FX30 to the FX3's 4K.
Ha ha 😂😂
Sometimes Cheaper is Better was written under my yearbook picture.
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and the whole year loved you for it
Mark you are something else😂, a big fan
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What a cheap comment.. and i like it! 👌
love to see a video title like this
Are you still using your canon?
Why did I get unsubbed from you 😡been following since like 2011
mr canon rebel himself
The more I see the FX30 covered in reviews and comparisons, the more I think of keeping the FX30 no matter what other cameras interest me. Hands down, the FX30 is a great camera.
It's always good to see the two creators I trust the most together for a collab. More Undone and Tomasso collabs, please.
The more I use my FX30 the more I appreciate its capabilities!
I have an FX3 and FX30. I'm very impressed with the FX30, but definitely notice a difference in low light scenarios vs the FX3.
What about the really loose audio mic input jack?
Patrick is actually my uncle and he got me an fx30 for christmas last year, love it so far
@@ZachMayfield You’re welcome, nephew.
the fx30 is a budget beast! i own two of them for my production. they're worth every single penny ❤ great video 🔥
What lens do you use?
@@DarkPa1adin usually a 24-70mm and a 16mm sigma for a fixed top down + face cam setup. other lenses too when I'm shooting different multicam scenarios :)
I bought the G9II and I couldn't be happier, it does everything I need from the GH7 in a smaller package.
I am keeping my GH5, simply the best for handheld.
Gh5 is stellar puts all others to shame...
Guys, that was a great video. I have the A1, and the stabilisation is as you say, meh, that said, what I absolutely love is that I can shoot in 8K and have a slightly broader scene and reframe in post. For people like me, who are not very skilled, this is really powerful. You hear people say why do you record in 8K when you don’t have an 8K TV, but they’re missing the point of the power and value of shooting in a 8K, cropping, re-framing or creating a pan when there was no original movement in the camera. So my friends, while I might be a Muppet in my skill level, it would seem there are people who are Muppet like than even me.
You guys have such a good chemistry with each other. I want to see a (very silly) Studio Undone where Patrick is in front of the camera critiquing Gerald's studio and Gerald has to defend himself while operating the camera for Patrick. Keep up the great work you two!
YES!!!!!!!!!!
I've shot plenty of commercial work on the FX30, price should never discourage you from thinking equipment is professional or not.
All of those reasons are why I love my a9iii. Incredible stabilization and incredible picture - it’s often overlooked as a video camera, but I think it’s the best middle ground in all these areas that you can get right now.
Agreed. I marvel at how amazing it is in video.
I think the a6700 is rated at 5 stops vs FX30's 5.5 stops, so I would very much be interested in seeing that test as I have both cameras myself and wonder which I should bring for run and gun situations!
the A6700 ibis is awful, i test when walking and it's really bad
That Panasonic stabilization is untouchable.
Big fan of this style of video. It’s nice to follow what you guys have been shooting with the tours and then breaking down why you use a certain camera.
Patrick is the reason I got my fx30. No plans to update to Full frame any time soon
Went for the FX30 last year and everyday I thank myself for it. I don't care about Full Frame and I do video professionnally.
Paired with the right lenses (Sigma 30 F1,4, Sigma 16 F1,4 and Tamron 11-20 F2,8) and the right lighting the image is absolutely stunning !
do you have any footage? and why not the viltrox 1.2 lenses?
@@mdenjoyer831 Some footage on my Channel directly (nerdy musical content in French aha sorry I guess)
I also sometimes use my ZVE10 for content creation.
I always specify what camera in the description.
I actually didn't know the Viltrox existed so I went for the Sigma 16. If the 16 breaks, I'd likely replace it with the Viltrox 13mm
I just bought the Lumix S5iiX and I love it... The FX30 has a place in my heart and I still want it... But I need to get better at stroytelling, audio and lighting. Love the collab "tools" hahaha
So wish I went with the FX30 over the ZV-E1 - constant overheating is killing me. But will now try out active stabilization
I don't know if it's the same problem but on my a7IV I allowed overheating in settings and I've never overheated once even in short interviews "40 min" 4k25 or shooting with the sun of spain!
Ulanzi CA25 fan solves the problem
@@snappy8k Agreed; I use Ulanzi fan for tripod/handheld and a Tilta cooling unit for gimbal with a power brick attached (that also recharges the gimbal!)
@@killian2826 yeah it has a similar setting. However after 30-45mins it will shut down due to overheating even with all the ports/doors open
@@weddingsbyryanfitch thanks. Will take a look at those. Fans noticeable in audio recordings?
Loved the conversation with Patrick, we need more Gerald + Patrick
7:08 - pushing the ISO to 1600 - Gerald and Patrick wouldn't it be better to utilize the dual native ISO of 2500 when trying to get better noise performance? Great video , you two have awesome chemistry... Would 100% listen to a podcast hosted by you both! Think about it ;)
Yeah I was wondering that too as the FX30 as two base ISO sensitivities 800 and 2500, 1600 will be nosier than 2500.
@@KDHildreth simple answer? i don't care - complicated answer, i'm not dealing with jumping to 2500 and then stopping the lens down more in a run and gun on the fly situation. It's not like it's even noticeably noisy unless you're pixel peeping, which again... we're not making a movie. Truth be told we could probably shoot these on an iPhone.
My ZvE1 does the xact same thing as the a9 when its on active stab. its so annoying lol
I shoot my videos all across the world and use the Sony ZV-1 now mostly because of its compact and unobtrusive size. Like Patrick noted, having the smaller camera package really puts subjects at ease.
Hey Gerald, I think this comment will be great for you and you really need to read this! Time to test it and compare with the FX3 and the Zeiss 16-35mm OSS, perhaps that will be better for you guys? Both has OSS, f4 and both have the same bodies. As far as I know the FX3 has better stabilization that FX30!
Also try to throw the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 and 16-35mm f4 PZ because Patrick might need power zoom in his workflow, and see how OSS or lack of it affected your shot. This is because the 10-20mm has OSS and that might be the reason for the better stabilization. That way you might still get to use the full frame lineup.
You're the only person that can test this combination of this 4 lens and 2 bodies that I trust.
An important note here is that the Sony mount was designed before in body image stabilization existed, it is too small to allow IBIS to work properly.
With an APS-C sensor there is then plenty of room to do IBIS properly.
I have an A6700. I love it but want a second camera to go with it and I have really been considering the FX30 as my second camera instead of say an ZV E10m2 just so I can have a dedicated self cooled video camera.
On the note of stability. The A6700 seems to be a little twitchy. I am going to do some test using it with and without the IBIS and with and without the active stabe.
Hi Gerald Thanks for this video can you test this on A6700 too?
sure people at sony are like: how can we make our flagship worse than the vloggers cameras we sell? STILL NO LUT SUPPORT FOR THE A1
The FX 30 is not the vlog camera
@@jean-philippegrignom6479he was talking about zv e10 ii
I recently got the ZV-E1, and aside from adding a $70 external fan to manage overheating during long shoots, I absolutely love it and its features. As a newcomer to cameras, having upgraded from an iPhone 15 Pro Max, I've found the ZV-E1 to be a fantastic choice. The IBIS (In-Body Image Stabilization) is excellent-especially for my wife, who tends to be quite shaky. It really helps in both videos and photography.
Choosing the right camera was challenging since I had no idea what to look for or understand much of the camera jargon. We compared the ZV-E1, FX3, FX30, and A7S III. Ultimately, we chose the ZV-E1 because it’s newer, more affordable, has AI features, and includes a Full Frame sensor. I believe it’s a great camera to learn on, and when I get more experienced, I might upgrade. For now, though, the ZV-E1 is the perfect tool for the job.
ZV-E1 all night long. Low light cheapie! Same sensor as FX3/A7SIII but with newer firmware. I shoot Blackmagic but if I had or (have in the future) low light issues, I'd buy this. FX30 ain't so good in low light, those two knuckleheads above going on with their "shooting in the studio" blah. Out in the real world (i.e. not in youtubeland), you may want to shoot at twilight without breaking the bank. Fun video though, good chemistry between those two.
Why didn’t you talk about ZV-E1 in stabilisation comparisons? Curious about its mechanism too!
I second that
Small sensor -> Action video
Big sensor -> Tripod or 3D Gimbal
I love my Panny G9, might not get the best IQ, but stabilization is just amazing. Best I've ever seen so far (probably the G9-II is the only one actually better, can't afford that one yet)
S5ii would like a word
@@JJARCHIEA lot of tests show the new m4/3 stabilization is even better than the s5ii stabilization. The s5ii’s ibis is still amazing though
@@DangAlvinFilms This is probably simply physics. Bigger sensor = more mass = more inertia, cannot be controlled as precisely as a smaller, lighter sensor.
@@DangAlvinFilms i believe they will improve it, their m43 ibis went through twice as many revision compared to their ff ones
@@DangAlvinFilms you know i can agree with that , its only when 4k60 is needed that id switch.
Patrick is a great content creator and filmmaker man nice to see his face finally
Does the A6700 do the same thing as the FX30 with the quality IBIS and Active Stab. seeming to work with you?
as someone who doesnt currently own sony, the FX30 is still on my wishlist. its way too cool looking has killer stats and all the mounting points i have ideas for rigging out.
Something I think would be interesting to add is that the FX30 is also probably the best Value for a video camera on the market right now. I opted to go for the FX3 for the low light performance benefits, but really I think thats the only area where the FX3 really is a blatant improvement to the FX30. I've watched countless of videos on RUclips of people using FX30s and I think they look fantastic.
Is the stab in the A6700 the same as the FX30? Similar?
Can't go wrong with the Fx30.
Even the stills look amazing
I shot a travel documentary earlier this year on the FX30, and after a few days I found myself annoyed by the IBIS and ended up turning it off after a few days. It was great for walk-and-talk vérité style shooting, but when I was trying to get actual shots, I got really annoyed by the IBIS ‘catching up’ to the movements. Made post production really annoying for those first few days, but after turning it off the DaVinci Resolve stabilisation really managed to deal with all the footage extremely well. We shot handheld hanging out of car windows while driving full blast and it looked excellent after the Resolve stabilisation.
Love the FX30 :)
ZVE10 II would be cheaper and achieve the same.
@@saturn_fpv didn't exist when I shot it, and doesn't suit my preferred style of shooting.
Appreciate you guys and your dedication to the craft 🙌🏻
How does the fx30 v a6700 ibis compare?
The reason for this is, that it's much easier for a camera to stablize a APSC (cropped Sensor) Camera than a full frame because yes the sensor is smaller and works better, better performance and better speed because the camera processing system doesn't have to work as hard with APSC sensor..
This is part of the reason the other is, that well The Fx30 is a newer technology, and so the IBIS system is a better hardware system than the Alpha 1 of course, so yes it's going to do stabilization much better..
I have looked into this, my friend has an Alpha 1 and we notice better stabilization in the FX30 that i own, and wondering why at first, but then we figured it all out, #1 the FX30 has a better IBIS system (hardware) then the Alpha 1, and #2 the sensor is smaller so less work for the Camera's computer to process all that information, because it's a cropped sensor, so less data to hall..
So yes Generally APSC camera's will do better in stabilization..
FX30 is noticeably better with its IBIS over the a6700. Couldn’t tell you why, maybe it’s the increased body size. Idk 🤷♂️
Even the ibis rating is lower by half a stop on the a6700 at 5 stops vs 5.5 stops on the fx30.
It’s a dang mystery.
I have the A1 and FX30s as well .. I love both, but still wish the A1 would give us a little more for the investment.
How is the A7S3 and FX3 vs the FX30? can you test that to?
It's better in low light, and of course full frame. the FX30 is sharper, and it's noticeable. I have both, use them both together. the FX30 and apsc lenses are far cheaper, and lighter.
@7:30 @geraldundone yes, the A1 has a 16mm lens on and the FX30 has a 10mm lens on, but you're not accounting for the crop factor. The 16mm lens is 16 on full frame. The 10mm lens is a 15mm equivalent for the crop/aps-c sensor on the FX30. The FOV for each of these setups is essentially the same. I'm sure you already know this, but the way you're explaining it in this video makes it sound like the smaller sensors just naturally enable a wider field of view for the image, but that's not the case. The 7mm glass you referenced going onto a micro-4/3 sensor camera doesn't have a super wide FOV. After taking into account the 2x crop factor for that sensor, it's a 14mm equivalent for full frame, which is very close to the 16mm you're working with. Again, just want to clarify this for people watching who may get the wrong idea about what switching to a crop sensor really means, especially in regards to the lens offerings.
If only Sony would do firmware updates to a $6,500 camera more than once in a lifetime, they could probably solve these issues!!! I wonder how Nikon fares in these tests, or as our say LUMIX, who both seem to be doing more with firmware updates…. Thanks for covering this, great stuff!
does the a6700 have as good stabilization as the fx30? i love me some viewfinder!
Really enjoyed this talk as I am saving up for a FX30
ZV-E1 with the dyanamic active would work well for that.
Gyro option in Sony is good but not user friendly. Blackmagic gyro works great in it's seamlessly integrated into DaVinci Resolve
I own 7 Sony FX6 for my multicam studio setup. I need very long lenses which simply don't have the open aperture. I use now for location production mostly 5 Sony FX30 with lenses that have a 1.4 aperture and a 85 mm lens is long enough with the 1.6 factor on an APS sensor. 4k quality is not that important to me, as I record always on ATEM in HD mode to get synchronized video and audio files. I have used 4k in camera-recording with Deity synchronisation which is great for TV production, but overkill for Internet use. I have a 4k Tricaster for live 4k recording but it needs a really well experienced operator and a lot of pre-production work to get it right. So yes, the Sony FX30 is a solid work horse. BTW, if I want stabilised footage I use DJI OSMO 3.
Always nice to receive validation from these two that I bought the right camera for the job!
How would this compare with Sonys new 8 stop stabilization on the A7rV and A9iii
This is such and informative video gerald, providing insight into camera that i couldnt have discovered myself
Professional FX30 user here too. I do both photography and videography on it. Other than very low light disadvantages, its an amazing camera.
I did a tiny bit of handheld video with the z8 and the image stabilization on full, and it was fantastic as long as I didn't do any jarring movements. There was a sudden thing that happened and I swung the camera around to try and catch it, and it distorted due to the stabilization. It seems to be more designed for turning you into a human tripod rather than smoothing out movements, which makes complete sense though.
I've noticed a6700 has noticeably better IBIS than A7SIII when shooting handheld, even want to use more a6700 because of that.
Sony might be using different IBIS algorithms between the 2 cameras. The A1 is primarily a stills-centered camera, so maybe they use an algorithm that works better for stills. The FX30 might be using an algorithm that is better for video since it's primarily a video-centered camera. I understand that the A1 is great at both, but that's just a theory I have.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside.
How about you do a test of the a6700 with the Ulanzi fan to reduce overheating?
The FX30 was the best investment I made last year. I love mine so much! Really hoping Tamron update the 17-70 2.8 to a G2 soon. Would be an amazing package!
We got 8 FX30s in for my job (Media IT at a university) and I have to put the kits together and managed them. The problem is that these are the best cameras students can check out at the university and word got out quickly. So of course it became a problem with students keeping them past the due date etc so now were implementing fines. I will say, over the summer, i test out the cameras (because students dont take care of shit) and I definitely think they are worth the money. I have an A7c so stabilization and 4k 120 footage is pretty neat. The crop bugs me but, I can get past that. If you're doing videos, this is a no brainer....the photos are kinda ass lmao.
I consider the amount of stops, only applies to still photography.
Video stabilization is a completely different thing.
Jerks and wobbliness in corners does not affect still imaging in the same way at all.
It because E-Mount was design at first for APSC, and with Full Frame it not have enough room to move sensor like with smaller APSC sized sensor. Panasonic design L Mount to work with Full Frame thats why they have best ibis on market, and Sony can only improve it's IBIS by software which they did, but it have many downside
I shoot nature, handheld with the FX30 and the Tamron 18 - 300mm lens and it is not always perfect (sometimes far from) but it is really natural and alive. I love it. I also love the fact it doesn't weigh so much that I am put off taking it with me on my walks. I almost never put another lens on as the Tamron zoom can cover pretty much everything I want to capture (which means I don't loose the shot for the wrong lens). More zoom and handheld goes out the window, wider and the distortion gets too great. My other favorite is my DJI Pocket 3 which is even better for natural and alive (and stabilization) but limited to wide angle.
Active IS in FX30 is not "Digital". In fact, this allows the CMOS sensor to move over a larger range during image stabilization (possibly beyond the image circle of an APS-C lens), and then crop the image to obtain a more stable picture."
Absolutely love the fx30. It’s been my first camera and of course with new technology they’ll be things newer cameras can do that it can’t. But once it gives me the shots I want and the feeling I want to capture and it allows me to be creative and it essentially stays out of my way then it’s a great camera. The fx30 at any point I’d say is a great camera
about that 5.5 stops: Pretty sure that that rating doesn't include panning behavior. Also, crop factor can be directly applied. So 5.5 stops on a full frame camera translates to 3.7 stops with the same camera in APSC-mode. Sorrry to invalidate your point about M4/3 cameras: Patrick is right, the M4/3 advantage is purely due to lots of space for huge body / small sensor reasons. And Panasonic experimenting very early with dual stabilization certainly helps...
Anyone who watches a comparison of different gear and then says "Oh well just use a *insert any costly and large piece of equipment here*..." has not understood the problem.
I have a gimbal, but I also shoot on my LX100 handheld a lot...
Panasonic IBIS for full frame is markedly better as well. I think Sony just has caught up in this realm. I love my fX3, but for smooth handheld without a bit rig would pick up my S5IIX any day.
i love my fx30. I called up Sony and they were kind enough to let me test out all their cameras in my budget range for however long I wanted. I saw some reviews that said how FX30 is too noisy or how it has too slow rolling shutter but from my testing I just didn't find that to be the case (to be fair I'm a colorist and I love flexible footage that's not overly processed). Yeah the fx30 footage needs some work - like any cinema camera - but I love the straight out of camera colors and I love how easy it is to get any look that I want out of the footage. The news of Sony's upcoming firmware in september with shutter angle and other bells and whistlels was just the cherry on top.
I have both an FX3 and an FX30 and I end up using the FX30 90% of the time for run and gun shoot, except when I shoot in crazy low light (where the FX30 is no match for the 12800 second base iso on the FX3).
If you are gonna put it on a tripod and roll (studio situation), fine, I'll take the FX3. But when I need to actually carry the Camera and work with it all day, I'll prefer the FX30.
The FX30 is way lighter, lenses are cheaper (and also lighter). When you are in a run and gun situation, weight is a big one. I'll take the slightly "worst" video quality anytime.
Thanks for sharing, needed to hear this.
Fair points but the A1 is a hybrid camera.
Love watching both of you on camera together yall make a great team
The fx30 is an underrated camera in my opinion. Solid choice for half the price of an FX3.
I have noticed that on my A93 in active, stabilization is pretty amazing. I do get that occasional quick move jerkiness on panning. But it’s pretty minimal. It’s the best Sony stabilization I have ever used (and I have used most modern Sony cameras) and it’s especially good with Sony lenses. The native lenses make a huge difference with Active Stabilization.
Doesn't it have dynamic active too? How do you find it? Is it good, unnatural...?
@@RiccardoGabarriniKazeatari it does. And it’s great. I use it when walking and filming. It’s close to gimbal like
I love my FX30. Incredible value for the the price. Clients are always happy with end product.
I love the fx30. The only thing is now viewfinder. It would be the perfect camera for me if it ONLY have that viewfinder.
the A6700 is an FX30 with a viewfinder
Switching from the a7siii to the fx30 I noticed straight away the ibis was much better, no regrets in the switch so far!
I upgraded to the fx30 from the a6500 and had my fx30 14 days before release date because I have a Sony Electronics membership , I also didn’t pay taxes 😊 the membership is 100 bucks a year 😊
Did a sony catalyst vs Davinci stabilization and noticed it was better just to stabilizing in Davinci. I believe Davinci can read the gyro metadata for sony files, that is if the camera supports gyro.
The A9III has great stabilization. I feel it’s only second to the Panasonic S5II/x. It’s by far Sony’s best video shooter. You should do over under test to see the exposure latitude… you will be surprised.
The zve1 has that dynamic active stabilization which is also pretty crazy. Kinda feels like catalyst browse in camera. There are some downside to using that but it’s great for broll product shots
the underrated move with sony cameras is to shoot with no ibis and then do catalyst stabilization in post (manual, 4-8%) / pre edit. the catalyst stabilization is like magic, although itll downsample the 8k from the a1 to 4k, crop in the amount of stabe and if youre not paying the monthly subscription for the prepare package, youre limited to 8bit. sony going to unfortunately sony with the software
Sony's e mount is a very small mount, originally designed for more compact cameras. As a result, a full frame sensor has less room to move for stabilization purposes. The smaller mount opening allows enough room for a crop sensor to move for IBIS, so it makes sense that it might work a little better. Canon's rf mount is huge, which gives the sensor more room to move for IBIS, but creates other issues. No system is perfect, and the engineers do a decent job across brands to make the cameras very functional.
Same thing with the a6700: Video image stabilization with the 10-20mm f/4 or the 15mm f/1.4 is near perfect with Active Steadyshot. That's why, these two lenses are my vlogging setup - the 10-20 for daylight and the 15 when it gets dark. I don't need a gimbal anymore with Sony wide angle lenses on my a6700. But unfortunately, Active Steadyshot only works with Sony lenses, but not at all or at least much worse with third party lenses. It's strange that in lens reviews, it's so rarely mentioned that Sigma or Tamron or Viltrox lenses will give you MASSIVELY worse video stabilization than Sony lenses. That's the only reason why I'm thinking about selling my otherwise excellent Sigma 18-50 for the Sony 16-55.
For most kind of still photography, the Sony A7RIVA and Sony A7RV are both better and cheaper than the A1. I wish that youtube reviewers will announce reviews if it is either a review for still photography or a review for video, thank you very much !
I have the A7SIII, which I love a lot, and just bought the A7RV, which is another beast. Planning to get an FX30 or two for streaming weddings/events and shoulder rig. A7SIII isn't that shaking when rigged out, and the A7RV has an insane IBIS with 8-stops. I think the FX30 with the PZ 18-105mm f4 OSS G would be a killer combo. Thought of buying the 28-135 f4 OSS G which is a beast but costs around 4x the price of the PZ 18-105 f4 (27-157mm f6 equivalent).
Just don’t understand why LUMIX is constantly mentioned about it’s MFT with big body-small sensor situation… the showed the same strong IS with they fullframe-small body S5II and S5iix. Dissel you forget that ..can’t imagine.
Update: don’t forget the S9
Isn't the a7rv has the best ibis?
Still absolutely love my Alpha 1, just is superb at both stills and video, and in a very compact body.
Gerald, when you drill down, you're at your best relevance as a reviewer. I didn't care about IBIS in Sony cameras---but somehow, I do now!
M11, A7R5, Zf, and S9. I still use my EM1.2 a lot more.
speaking of comparing cameras with seemingly similar hardware, I shoot both on the FX30 as my A cam and use my A6700 as a B cam I hand to friends when we shoot multi cam "vlog" style videos for our drag racing team. The pre amps on the FX30 seem to be MUCH better, as I use the same mic (Rode VideoMicro) and same settings on both cameras, and the FX30 rarely ever experiences any heavy distortion or clipping with the loud cars, but the A6700 seems to fall apart quickly in the same scenarios. The sound is much sharper and harsher even with EQ tweaked, and dialogue volume is much lower again even at the same settings. I love my sony bodies but man they have weird quirks lol
Was going to ask why don't you pair it with s gimbal, but yeah, actually, as someone who has used gimbals a fair bit I got to agree on that. It's so hard to react to something spontaneous with a gimbal. You totally have to at least have a rough idea for your shot and set the gimbal to the correct mode etc. In situations like that you just end up fighting the gimbal which sucks.
How is the Full Frame ZV-E1 doin in that subject?
I've used an FX30 since it was first released and love it, but now I use a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 for all my non-tripod video. What's your opinion about the smaller, one-inch sensor camera with a built-in gimbal? Is it worth the difference in image quality to have the smooth flow of pans and manual zooms?
Question: Does the FX30 active stabilization work just as good with Sony full frame lenses as it does with the APS-C glass? I have five full-frame Sony lenses and need a body with DECENT stabilization for handheld videos that'll go on social media. I was thinking of getting the Lumix G9ii + 12-35 f/2.8 Leica lens for this specific purpose, but, if I can just use the lenses I already have with the FX30, then add a little stabilization in post via Resolve, that'll save me money.
BTW thank you for making this video and bringing attention to the FX30 having the best video stabilization in Sony cameras.
I don't think the size of the sensor plays such a big role in stabilization as you guys speculate. The S9's IBIS performs identical to the S5ii and only marginally worse than the GH7 but that has a FF sensor in a much smaller body than the GH7.
but Lumix has more flange distance in their FF bodies
It's not the body size that makes a difference, its the mount diameter, which dictates how far a sensor can be moved by IBIS within the mount before it starts moving outside the image circle from the lens. Sony's mount is only just bigger than MFT, not a lot of wiggle room for a FF sensor but more for the FX30''s smaller sensor
@@impatrickt flange distance is in the z axis relative to the sensor, which is the only axis of translation IBIS doesn't do as it'll affect focus. The 5 axes are X and Y translation X,Y,Z rotation.
@@robertwlittlejohn Canon and Nikon's mirrorless mounts have a wider throat diameter than L mount, yet they have no camera that is comparable to the S5ii or S9. I think it is down to their level of expertise in IBIS.
@@Wildridefilms definately experience is a massive factor...panny knows how to do it....but FF Sony are restricted by that E mount in a way no one else is...and I doubt their FF IBIS will ever get close, it's the one reason i never went Sony as a main camera
I've been using the A1 since it came out this has been a problem from the beginning for me. I've learned to work around it in post but it's a shame on such an otherwise amazing camera.
Still, I'm happy with the A1 since I have an amazing photo camera and video camera in one body which is important when you're hiking and trying to keep the weight down.