The entry-level video content creator battle: iPhone 15 Pro vs DJI osmo pocket 3 vs Sony ZV-E10ii But an in-depth into really shooting videos (practical, not numbers by producer): • Apple-LOG vs S-LOG vs D-LOG • Stabilazations • Shooting in normal formats • connecting accessories (microphones, gimbals, ssd, etc) • low light • youtube studios It would be amazing, Thanks Becca!
@@naththoau Apple uses a Sony sensor, this is the problem with phone ‘photographers’, they are usually confident, confidently incompetent. The Apple is gonna be in focus most of the time because of DOF, if you have problems with Sony AF, chances are its a user problem.
The point on computational photography is so true. The FIRST thing I noticed when playing with my x100vi is “wow the iPhone does a lot of heavy lifting”. And it’s great! So often you want to get a nice photo of friends and you get to pay barely any attention to the light levels around you. It sees the faces, lights them correctly, and then gives you an image ready to share. The X100vi on the other hand makes you think about the light, where it’s coming from, how bright it is. It makes it quite fun but it’s a very different experience.
But once you get enough experience, you’ll never want to go back. Yes, the iPhone sees the faces and does a ton to them to make them bright enough. But if also butchers them (the shot at 3:13 is a great example and I’m SHOCKED Apple still hasn’t fixed this). And yeah, with a camera like the X100vi you have to pay attention to lighting and all that. But once it’s become second nature, your photos will become much better regardless of what you shoot them on. Granted, I shoot only raw - not because I’m a snob, but because a lot of the time, it’s the only way of getting out of my photos what I want. So at a BBQ with friends last weekend I took a bunch of photos, all of which were leaps and bounds better than what the others got with their phones, but yeah. I did have to put my photos into Lightroom and process them. I’m willing to do that, but I understand why a lot of people aren’t. And that’s fine. I feel like the X100 series can be a GREAT middle ground though! Film recipes can get you really far, while also taking advantage of a good sensor and lens. I kinda wish I had one in addition to my Sony A7C II. =)
Well put! I'd say when using a camera, my focus is much more on making sure settings are optimal, keeping an eye on light (intensity, direction), dynamic range in a scene, nailing focus if I'm shooting at a wide aperture, dialing in the ISO/aperture just right if light is low, etc. With my phone, a good chunk of that ceases to matter. The phone does most of the hard work, and if I grab a few shots of whatever I'm shooting, usually most of them do nail it, unless the scene is completely beyond its capabilities. The result: I spend much, much more time thinking about composition - getting an interesting angle, framing things just so, feeling more emboldened to take photos including random people passing by (no one cares about someone taking photos with a phone, people definitely notice a mirrorless with a big lens), etc. There are no right/wrong answers here. Whatever inspires you, or reduces the friction to have fun and take photos is the way to go. Unless you do this stuff professionally, at which point... you buy the fancy camera + associated gear and learn it all like the back of your hand lol For personal photos, all I really care about is getting a clean raw file I can edit. My iPhone 13 Pro Max almost always delivers - even put up against my a7iii. Obviously the Sony has higher limits, but... I usually end up using the one that fits in my pocket...
I usually just have it in Aperture priority and change the exposure compensation based on the lighting. I guess that it is a tiny bit more work, but the photos i get out of my Fujifilm camera look so much nicer than any phone imo. And with a Fujifilm camera, you get film simulations, which make the process even easier. The fact that you can get usable jpegs that have beautiful color rendering directly out of camera is incredible.
@@rickbiessman6084I like my cameras saving exactly the image they're seeing, not one so postprocessed it can reconstruct even detail that was never there Which is why I buy phones with complete camera setups (if it wasn't so expensive I'd get a Sony Xperia) and that allow saving raw images or images with minimal processing
I would also mention that you can get a Sony camera with the same size sensor for pennies! For the cheapest look at the NEX series, you'll get one for 1/10th of the price of this one. Then slightly better, cameras like a5000.
@@PKM1010same sensor size but nex lineup and a5000 is really old and the different is way too big and noticeable. it's fine for still, but for video it's just too old. but if you really tight on budget, i'll get a6000 instead.
it’s thanks to your video on the ZV E1 that I ended up actually buying that camera as my first ever non phone camera, and one year later I’m making a living as a full time videographer with it :) I suppose I just wanted to say thanks for that, a review of yours kind of changed my life.
Sony really needs to make something to compete with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. The awesome stabilization, small form factor and ease of use blows every other video camera out of the water right now.
action camera and traditional camera aren't really comparable. Action camera focus on the durability for most versatile situation whereas traditional form factor camera focus on image quality. If all you want is posting videos on social media then definitely the DJI is way better but if you want that professional look and the ability to also take good stills, you gotta go for the Sony
I very recently bought my first mirrorless (x-t30). Make no mistake people, phones can’t even match the quality, potential and the artistic choices of a good dedicated camera. Yes, my iPhone 13 can take good photos out of the box without the need to tweak any settings, but a 1.000 -1.500 camera’s photos viewed on a screen larger than 6” will downright win the iPhone almost every time.
That's mostly on Android phones, with oversharpened and saturated look and skin tone IPhones are far better and takes much more realistic pictures and handles hdr better too
I love your reviews. It brings back memories of my photography discovery in the early 2000’s. The enthusiasm, the love for the image, the analog feeling of using a real camera. Thank you!
Surprised by how much I liked this video. Has been hard to find good comparisons like this where it seems like the person speaking actually knows what they're talking about.
As a photographer who bought an iPhone as a camera substitute, I personally think that addition of a separate camera hardware is necessary to help spare your phone from the ridiculous heat a long photo and/or video session produces. So, if you are going to produce videos and/or vlogs on a semi-regular basis or higher, investing on a separate camera like this Sony is a fantastic idea!
Im a pro videographer and I have moved from bringing a mirrorless and a few lenses on my holiday trips, to just bringing the iphone 15 pro max. The best camera is the camera you have on you and the 15 pro max is more than adequate for family photos. In fact, it still blows me away how they are able to simulate dof in photo and video so accurately with mostly software and a lidar sensor! It’s crazy!
I shot professionally for only a couple of years, and went from canon aps-c to micro 4/3. And would have carry camera and at least two lenses. But it gets old, especially when the shoot isn't for money. There are times I wish I had a real with me, but the vast majority of the time, I'd rather just enjoy myself with surroundings and people, and phone snapshots are easily enough.
We took photos and videos during our vacation mostly with our iPhone 13 pro. We brought many cameras but the convenience of a smartphone is unbeatable.
The best camera is the 1 that you have access to most of the time. You can have a camera with all the of the elaborate specifications but if you don't have it with you during special moments then its just a product on display.
And I take my Sony A7C II everywhere I go. Because the best camera is the one that takes good pictures. My smartphone simply doesn’t; and even if it did, I still wouldn’t enjoy the shooting process with it.
i'm going even further with this concept and getting the RayBan METAs... there has been candid shots i've missed simply because my phone was in my pocket, so having one on my face ready to go is the way forward
I’m still rocking my Olympus OMD EM10 Mark II. With its 17mp MFT sensor, 5 axis IBIS and interchangeable lens system it checks off everything I need for the photography I do.
you need to decide what you want / need a camera for (e.g. video, street photography, landscape etc) and go look for cameras that do that. not by price range for cameras that are not all designed for the same thing
The people that want any sort of camera and those that want to shoot off their camera are different demographics though. I used to carry my camera EVERYWHERE, but that was because the camera on my phone wasn't good enough. Now with my s23 ultra I haven't felt the need to carry my big clunky camera, and yet another bag.
@charlesdamien5849: I too carry my Sony RX100-7 everywhere; for me I only a mddle-ling Samsung, with a phone cam that is decent, but the sensor size on the phone cam is way too small and there is only so much you can do with software to compensate for those limitations. If you want to carry a camera I suggest a Sony RX100-5a, or a -7, it has SAPM modes, and can shoot raw& .JPG. The zoom range on the -7 goes from 24-200mm, whereas the -5a goes from 24-70mm. For me phone cams are quite good within their design parameters, but once outside, the photos are inadequate. I don't know about the video on the phone cams, but the HD video on my RX100 is quite good, it will do 4K vids but the file sizes generated are huge.
@@ronaldlee3537This is a very personal choice. If you just want to capture the moment and emotion then any modern phone will do. For all the people using cheap phones to capture those moments, none of this matters. As someone who had those really bad phone cameras and also went everywhere with a camera I now use mainly a A10 S and a S8+. Until printing photos becomes a thing again does not matter. These th things only matter for pros and enthusiasts and the companies that make products for them. Each is not better but good for what is used for. A hammer is not better than a saw because they do two very different things.
Good luck with your storage and transferring huge files and battery management. If you’re a novice and beginner then yes it would work based on what you just said but if you aren’t a davinci and Lightroom user than you not like us and good luck with the phone 📱
Great vid, but is that all full auto? 1:03 At The very start of the comparison, I picked what was what in a millisecond. But what are the settings? Have the settings been even half-optimized for each shot? Sony and you really nailed all those shots!
I found the answer easy, because the depth of focus in the images on the left was much more shallow that that in the images on the right. One of the factors that affects depth of focus is the size of the imager. In the days of film cameras a Hasselblad and/or an RB67 always had a more shallow depth of focus than did a 35mm Nikon or Canon. And an 8x10 view camera had less depth of focus that did a Hasselblad. It was always a matter of matching the tool (camera) to the need (type of image desired).
@@PHlophe That's not a parasocial relationship... 💀 it's just curiosity. Learn to distinguish or wait a while to understand if you learned a new word 💀
I just hate the workflow shooting videos with an iPhone. With the new USB-C port it might be a bit faster, but transfering footage to a mac after shooting for a whole day takes ages. Also editing iPhone Footage in Premiere is a nightmare due to the fact, that the iPhone records in a flexible Framerate - for whatever reason that is useful. 🤷🏼 Made Premiere crash multiple times. I was forced to shoot with iPhones for a specific production, where they wanted the "authentic TikTok look" and I hope this was the last time I had to do this. 😅 Love my Sony FX3 now even more. ❤
As person with a Mac and who uses Final Cut Pro its the opposite. The most confident camera for me is the iPhone because it’s super easy to import footage and Final Cut works super well with iPhone footage.
“There will always be a better camera than the one you have. Be happy with your choice and enjoy what you have. Choose a stopping point and start being content.”
Amazing amazing video!!!🤗 For your next video, I would definitely love to see a photography centered comparison between the Vivo X100 Ultra and your choice of camera. I think the focus of the comparison should be the element of speed in respect to quality, and how much of the gap between the two devices have been bridged! Vivo X100 Ultra's new 85mm 200mp lens is quite amazing, so maybe the camera it's being compared to can have an equivalent focal length!
I just want something like the Galaxy K again. Also we had some phones that were modular with clickable accessoires, If only Samsung or a big brand would make a proper camera attachment for smartphones, it would make the camera business really fun again
I think they are afraid it will be super niche and won't end up selling a lot. But it would be nice if they did. Normal phone cameras are pretty insane rn, imagine what we could have if it was modular.
True af we need more first-party photography/videography mods. The brand Nothing’s subbrand CMF released a new midranger with interchangeable backs. Xiaomi 14 Ultra’s Photo Kit has a dedicated case where you can attach filters as well as a sidegrip which doubles as a power bank.
I would've said let's go the other way and add smartphone-level software to dedicated cameras. Imagine the software from a Pixel or iPhone hooked up to a professional camera body and lens. Sony seems the most likely candidate since they've got both phones and cameras already (and pretty damn good ones). Google and Apple likely don't care enough about pro photography.
Really, where mirrorless cameras shine is when you go full frame with a fast, good quality primes or zooms (over a kit lens), but it's far more expensive to do this than getting an iPhone. Going head to head with an iPhone with some photos that my family took vs my a7sii with a 50mm f/1.8, the quality is just light years different. Really good mirrorless cameras will also have a lot more leadway with that you can do with the image, esp when it comes to processing video after. For example, the color profile of Cine4 gives you that filmic look that you just cannot replicate with an iPhone. Photography on phones still gets better with each year no doubt, it just always fails to get close to what I can do with my photography equipment
Someday Sony will realize a $1000+ camera doesn’t remotely compete with a $1000+ phone. A camera is something people buy in addition to phones, not instead of. And phone prices are a lot easier to justify with all they do. So a dedicated camera can’t just be “better”, it’s gotta be a LOT better to be worthwhile for non-professionals.
I have a late-model smartphone (P8Pro) with a highly-rated camera. I also have a Sony full-frame camera that's 3 generations back (a7iii). The Sony rocks, on any display larger than a cell phone display. Especially in low light. Low light cellphone photos just don't hold up on large displays. My Sony gets better pics WITHOUT stacking images. When image quality matters, there's no substitute for a real camera.
100 / agree . Every person on earth has a phone but not everyone more like only professional people the camera. It's nonsense to pay as casual user 1000+ to a camera then upload to Google photos to compress the hell out of it.
Dedicated cameras are the one, and make photos much more special. An iPhone is great for convenience and light documenting, but my Fuji X100V takes photos that are truly magical with much more detail and depth that help you to relive a moment.
I think the iPhone's photos and videos are so good that its deficits are invisible to all but the most observant viewers, especially if the content is good, so as to not draw attention to them. For something that's always in your pocket, it really is an incredible tool, and one that I don't hesitate to incorporate into my workflow.
If you shoot JPEG, the camera do some sort of computational photography, same thing with film simulation. If you shoot RAW, and transfer it to your mobile and let apps like Snapseed to enhance it, you can get computational photography too. Some people find the photo editing after the shoot tedious; shooting JPEG, and using Snapseed may solve that.
softwares is one of the reasons why most people think modern phone cameras do kinda suck what you see is not what you get i've read some article where they say XR has the best camera, i just think it is because it lacks the software computation that the newer model has, the older camera system gives you what you see
I own the 1st gen ZV-E10 and got an iPhone 15 Pro Max a short time after. I pretty much use the iPhone completely for photos and video (only 182 shots on my Sony). I prefer almost all the iPhone shots in your comparison with the exception of the weird artifacts you point out, but I don't run into those situations often. I guess as I get older, I don't feel the need to tweak my photos that much if they can come out of the box 90% pleasing to the eye. And when I do want to make adjustments, it's more convenient to do so on my phone anyways.
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony made phones that had some of the best phone camera in the business. Samsung would also be a prime business to create this product.
I have an iPhone 13 pro and a Sony A7 III with Tamron f2.7 lens, and I use my iPhone for almost all purpose and use Sony for specific occasions. So yeah, unless you are a professional photographer for a wedding or event, you are better off with top smartphones like the current iPhone max or Samsung Ultra. Top camera gears are not easy to use for most users and needs a big learning curve and lots of experimentations so choose based on the needs.
@@bassyeyHe's feeling that way because the iPhone is typically going to make pictures brighter and faces more clear. Which for most people will make them feel like it's a better photo.
you don't see all the details watching photos from compressed youtube video on small screen. It is like watching at a 10 year old car from 30 meters. It will look ok, until you come closer.
I'm still on my sony a6100, which I really enjoy as I'm mostly doing still photography. I really felt it when becca said the aps-c sensor is 9x bigger than the iphone. And because I compare the two a lot I could pick out which was which in the side-by-side
A very well rounded take. I was in this situation a couple months ago, considering the new phone vs dedicated camera situation for my mother. I needed something portable with great photo and video quality and especially with good image stabilization in case of shooting outdoors. I ended up buying the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 Creator Combo and I have been very satisfied, or rather positively surprised at how good my purchase turned out to be. It's a tiny cam with a built in mechanical gimbal. Thus it gives you crazy good stabilization without cropping into your original video, which is a big win over the phones. The pocket 3 handles light extremely well as well, always making sure that your videos even in a badly lit room look good. The pictures always turn out great. It has a great feature where you can just place it in one place and lock yourself as the subject by double tapping your face and the camera will follow you around while keeping you centered. It can also be used as a webcam and uses a type c cable for connecting. You can also just leave it on a desk and then control it from far away from your phone with the DJI Mimo app. I bought the whole thing for 619 GBP, reason being the additional accessories in the combo are a really great value proposition. It has a mini tripod, additional battery handle, wireless transmitter mic, etc. I know this sounds a bit too good to be true but I believe some of the issues mentioned in this video (like stabilization) are tackled in a unique way and it would be great to see the comparison here. I'm not sure if the people that are looking for this kind of stuff are even aware of it's existence.
I got a Canon R10 for a photography course, but I never heard about built in ND filters. You can find ND filters that can be used directly with the sensor for better convenience, but from what I've seen, a pro photographer will choose the ND that mounts on the lens. Regarding the bokeh, this can be done by setting the aperture of the lens to be wide open (around f2.8 to f1.2), however, such lenses can be pretty expensive.
Great video and great advice! It's amazing that in a world with rapid inflation, entry and midrange camera bodies keep getting better for around the same cost. About 8 years ago I got a Lumix G85, which blew my mind for $900, and a few years later the BMPCC 4K blew my mind again for around $1200. Not sure if there's quite been a leap as big as that, but the this and the FX30 are promising steps forward, no doubt. To any filmmakers/videographers hyper-fixated on "full frame", up until recent years, the Super 35mm was the standard, which is roughly equivalent to APS-C. The term "cropped" is misleading because it's only cropped relative to 35mm.
Incredible video! Your presentation style is so positive and engaging. Thinking about this zv-e10 mark ii versus iPhone 15/16 pro for talking language education style content, medium to long form in home studio with good lights and audio. Nothing fancy, just teaching. Any advice? Thanks again!
You could have shot log video on iPhone an shot stills in RAW and that would make the difference between the cameras even smaller. Most of the time oversharpening is a sign of a phone photo and it's eliminated by using raw/log. Great video! I liked the head to head comparison of image quality.
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What two cameras do you want to see compared to each other next? -Becca
do the vivo x100 ultra vs the 15 pro max
Fuji X100Vi
Sony A7R V + Sony 35 f/1.8 vs. Leica M7 + Summicron 35 f/2. I am not joking, seriously considering going back to film at this point.
The entry-level video content creator battle:
iPhone 15 Pro vs DJI osmo pocket 3 vs Sony ZV-E10ii
But an in-depth into really shooting videos (practical, not numbers by producer):
• Apple-LOG vs S-LOG vs D-LOG
• Stabilazations
• Shooting in normal formats
• connecting accessories (microphones, gimbals, ssd, etc)
• low light
• youtube studios
It would be amazing,
Thanks Becca!
Any android with Motioncam, full LOG and RAW video is available
A Sony sensor vs another Sony sensor 😆
Winner? The Sony sensor😂😂😂
@@naththoau its a joke because the iPhone's hardware is a Sony sensor. Not sure if you got that
Fujifilm xt5 vs Ricoh gr 3
@@naththoau Apple uses a Sony sensor, this is the problem with phone ‘photographers’, they are usually confident, confidently incompetent. The Apple is gonna be in focus most of the time because of DOF, if you have problems with Sony AF, chances are its a user problem.
@@naththoaupeople like you should stick to phones. Using a real camera is beyond you lmao
Biggest issue I have with phone camera is that what you see is not what you get.
get pixel instead of iphone lmao
@@_Pt3k_my pixel also doesn't have 100% accurate colors but its a bit better
yes
yeah! i usually think it looks better before all of the filters get added but there's no way to remove them
@@kjellbeats the problem is not the colour science but the heavy post processing that smartphones do.
The point on computational photography is so true. The FIRST thing I noticed when playing with my x100vi is “wow the iPhone does a lot of heavy lifting”. And it’s great! So often you want to get a nice photo of friends and you get to pay barely any attention to the light levels around you. It sees the faces, lights them correctly, and then gives you an image ready to share. The X100vi on the other hand makes you think about the light, where it’s coming from, how bright it is. It makes it quite fun but it’s a very different experience.
But once you get enough experience, you’ll never want to go back. Yes, the iPhone sees the faces and does a ton to them to make them bright enough. But if also butchers them (the shot at 3:13 is a great example and I’m SHOCKED Apple still hasn’t fixed this). And yeah, with a camera like the X100vi you have to pay attention to lighting and all that. But once it’s become second nature, your photos will become much better regardless of what you shoot them on.
Granted, I shoot only raw - not because I’m a snob, but because a lot of the time, it’s the only way of getting out of my photos what I want. So at a BBQ with friends last weekend I took a bunch of photos, all of which were leaps and bounds better than what the others got with their phones, but yeah. I did have to put my photos into Lightroom and process them. I’m willing to do that, but I understand why a lot of people aren’t. And that’s fine.
I feel like the X100 series can be a GREAT middle ground though! Film recipes can get you really far, while also taking advantage of a good sensor and lens. I kinda wish I had one in addition to my Sony A7C II. =)
Well put!
I'd say when using a camera, my focus is much more on making sure settings are optimal, keeping an eye on light (intensity, direction), dynamic range in a scene, nailing focus if I'm shooting at a wide aperture, dialing in the ISO/aperture just right if light is low, etc. With my phone, a good chunk of that ceases to matter. The phone does most of the hard work, and if I grab a few shots of whatever I'm shooting, usually most of them do nail it, unless the scene is completely beyond its capabilities. The result: I spend much, much more time thinking about composition - getting an interesting angle, framing things just so, feeling more emboldened to take photos including random people passing by (no one cares about someone taking photos with a phone, people definitely notice a mirrorless with a big lens), etc.
There are no right/wrong answers here. Whatever inspires you, or reduces the friction to have fun and take photos is the way to go. Unless you do this stuff professionally, at which point... you buy the fancy camera + associated gear and learn it all like the back of your hand lol
For personal photos, all I really care about is getting a clean raw file I can edit. My iPhone 13 Pro Max almost always delivers - even put up against my a7iii. Obviously the Sony has higher limits, but... I usually end up using the one that fits in my pocket...
I usually just have it in Aperture priority and change the exposure compensation based on the lighting. I guess that it is a tiny bit more work, but the photos i get out of my Fujifilm camera look so much nicer than any phone imo. And with a Fujifilm camera, you get film simulations, which make the process even easier. The fact that you can get usable jpegs that have beautiful color rendering directly out of camera is incredible.
@@gclip9883 Tell me about it. I'd love that in my Sony (which leaves close to nothing to be desired otherwise).
@@rickbiessman6084I like my cameras saving exactly the image they're seeing, not one so postprocessed it can reconstruct even detail that was never there
Which is why I buy phones with complete camera setups (if it wasn't so expensive I'd get a Sony Xperia) and that allow saving raw images or images with minimal processing
love reviews like hers, SHORT, AND TO THE POINT! TY
I would also mention that you can get a Sony camera with the same size sensor for pennies! For the cheapest look at the NEX series, you'll get one for 1/10th of the price of this one. Then slightly better, cameras like a5000.
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@@PKM1010same sensor size but nex lineup and a5000 is really old and the different is way too big and noticeable. it's fine for still, but for video it's just too old. but if you really tight on budget, i'll get a6000 instead.
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it’s thanks to your video on the ZV E1 that I ended up actually buying that camera as my first ever non phone camera, and one year later I’m making a living as a full time videographer with it :) I suppose I just wanted to say thanks for that, a review of yours kind of changed my life.
Thank you.
that's so cool
So cool!!!
Sony really needs to make something to compete with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. The awesome stabilization, small form factor and ease of use blows every other video camera out of the water right now.
let me know when your Pocket 3 can mount a telephoto lens..
@@Broken_Orbital considering the market is vlogging like this 1000$ toy then never
action camera and traditional camera aren't really comparable. Action camera focus on the durability for most versatile situation whereas traditional form factor camera focus on image quality. If all you want is posting videos on social media then definitely the DJI is way better but if you want that professional look and the ability to also take good stills, you gotta go for the Sony
@@Broken_Orbital A good telephoto lens costs more than the camera itself!
@@STACYBURK buy used, buy vintage, buy adapters, save money.
4:06 that I mean whatt!!, caught me offgaurd.😂😂
LOL
That's called a Penesini
i didnt even noitced, thanks tho
Italian here. “Cazzetti” literally means “Tiny d1cks”. 😁
whats funnier is that pasta is called ''cazzetti'' which in italian means little wieners LOL
Becca’s videos are always a must watch. Great video!!
99.99% of all people starting out creating content only need their phone because 99.98% of them will just quit in the end.
since when has "taking pictures" become "create content?
@@heinrichh.6369 bro doesn't know photography and vlogging 😭
that's me haha
I very recently bought my first mirrorless (x-t30). Make no mistake people, phones can’t even match the quality, potential and the artistic choices of a good dedicated camera. Yes, my iPhone 13 can take good photos out of the box without the need to tweak any settings, but a 1.000 -1.500 camera’s photos viewed on a screen larger than 6” will downright win the iPhone almost every time.
Obviously. Actually it would be a better comparison with a Vivo or Xiaomi flagship.
iPhone and smartphones in general have a really fried look. Like manufacturers trying to apply 10 sharpening filters or something
That's mostly on Android phones, with oversharpened and saturated look and skin tone
IPhones are far better and takes much more realistic pictures and handles hdr better too
@@yeagerfolk796 the IPhone 15 isn't even in the top 10 on the DXO Mark website. It's barely in the top 20.
@@yeagerfolk796thats really funny
@@yeagerfolk796 Colors are way off on iPhones.
@yeagerfolk796 nah, Apple has issues. As does Samsung and Google. They're all different issues, but none of them are perfect, far from it
Great video. The verge is lucky to have you on the team.
Keep it up!
I love your reviews. It brings back memories of my photography discovery in the early 2000’s. The enthusiasm, the love for the image, the analog feeling of using a real camera. Thank you!
What a great video. Love your energy and vibe Becca.
Can i just say your audio is amazing! A video on the process of recording and kit would be amazing.
Honestly i started to notice how crisp it actually was after reading your comment lol
I would guess a very nice microphone with a 32bit floating point recorder.
Surprised by how much I liked this video. Has been hard to find good comparisons like this where it seems like the person speaking actually knows what they're talking about.
As a photographer who bought an iPhone as a camera substitute, I personally think that addition of a separate camera hardware is necessary to help spare your phone from the ridiculous heat a long photo and/or video session produces. So, if you are going to produce videos and/or vlogs on a semi-regular basis or higher, investing on a separate camera like this Sony is a fantastic idea!
Im a pro videographer and I have moved from bringing a mirrorless and a few lenses on my holiday trips, to just bringing the iphone 15 pro max. The best camera is the camera you have on you and the 15 pro max is more than adequate for family photos. In fact, it still blows me away how they are able to simulate dof in photo and video so accurately with mostly software and a lidar sensor! It’s crazy!
it's hard for people to accept that the iphone is the better camera (which it is)
I shot professionally for only a couple of years, and went from canon aps-c to micro 4/3. And would have carry camera and at least two lenses. But it gets old, especially when the shoot isn't for money.
There are times I wish I had a real with me, but the vast majority of the time, I'd rather just enjoy myself with surroundings and people, and phone snapshots are easily enough.
Av987 “I’m a pro videographer.”
@@NonstopFFriday believe what you want 🫠
We took photos and videos during our vacation mostly with our iPhone 13 pro. We brought many cameras but the convenience of a smartphone is unbeatable.
This is my kind of video. Thanks, Becca!
The best camera is the 1 that you have access to most of the time. You can have a camera with all the of the elaborate specifications but if you don't have it with you during special moments then its just a product on display.
And I take my Sony A7C II everywhere I go. Because the best camera is the one that takes good pictures. My smartphone simply doesn’t; and even if it did, I still wouldn’t enjoy the shooting process with it.
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i'm going even further with this concept and getting the RayBan METAs... there has been candid shots i've missed simply because my phone was in my pocket, so having one on my face ready to go is the way forward
that's really not true if you are a professional photographer lol
This quote is so overused and misused. It only means that capturing the moment is more important than focusing on gear.
I’m still rocking my Olympus OMD EM10 Mark II. With its 17mp MFT sensor, 5 axis IBIS and interchangeable lens system it checks off everything I need for the photography I do.
Becca thanks for this video, especially the camera comparison at the end.
Do a comparison video of the $1400 cameras mentioned
THIS
Yes pls
you need to decide what you want / need a camera for (e.g. video, street photography, landscape etc) and go look for cameras that do that. not by price range for cameras that are not all designed for the same thing
The people that want any sort of camera and those that want to shoot off their camera are different demographics though. I used to carry my camera EVERYWHERE, but that was because the camera on my phone wasn't good enough. Now with my s23 ultra I haven't felt the need to carry my big clunky camera, and yet another bag.
@charlesdamien5849: I too carry my Sony RX100-7 everywhere; for me I only a mddle-ling Samsung, with a phone cam that is decent, but the sensor size on the phone cam is way too small and there is only so much you can do with software to compensate for those limitations. If you want to carry a camera I suggest a Sony RX100-5a, or a -7, it has SAPM modes, and can shoot raw& .JPG. The zoom range on the -7 goes from 24-200mm, whereas the -5a goes from 24-70mm. For me phone cams are quite good within their design parameters, but once outside, the photos are inadequate. I don't know about the video on the phone cams, but the HD video on my RX100 is quite good, it will do 4K vids but the file sizes generated are huge.
@@ronaldlee3537This is a very personal choice. If you just want to capture the moment and emotion then any modern phone will do. For all the people using cheap phones to capture those moments, none of this matters. As someone who had those really bad phone cameras and also went everywhere with a camera I now use mainly a A10 S and a S8+. Until printing photos becomes a thing again does not matter. These th things only matter for pros and enthusiasts and the companies that make products for them. Each is not better but good for what is used for. A hammer is not better than a saw because they do two very different things.
Try a flagship phone camera in today's market. They're surprisingly competent.@@ronaldlee3537
I use a Pixel 7 Pro and I find that I rarely miss my old Canon 5dm3.
Good luck with your storage and transferring huge files and battery management.
If you’re a novice and beginner then yes it would work based on what you just said but if you aren’t a davinci and Lightroom user than you not like us and good luck with the phone 📱
Great vid, but is that all full auto? 1:03 At The very start of the comparison, I picked what was what in a millisecond. But what are the settings? Have the settings been even half-optimized for each shot? Sony and you really nailed all those shots!
Becca! That pasta! I clutch my pearls!!! 😂😂😂
I found the answer easy, because the depth of focus in the images on the left was much more shallow that that in the images on the right. One of the factors that affects depth of focus is the size of the imager. In the days of film cameras a Hasselblad and/or an RB67 always had a more shallow depth of focus than did a 35mm Nikon or Canon. And an 8x10 view camera had less depth of focus that did a Hasselblad. It was always a matter of matching the tool (camera) to the need (type of image desired).
04:05 you literally ate a bag of them 😂😆😆😆
Good one 😂
CAN YA'L BRING DIETER BACK FOR A INTERVIEW?! I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S UP!
Didda, is working in the corporate world .. he'll never come back. parasocial love is bizarre to me
@@PHlophe That's not a parasocial relationship... 💀 it's just curiosity. Learn to distinguish or wait a while to understand if you learned a new word 💀
@@Monitornation you're being curious about a person that doesn't know you. open the dictionary
@@PHlophe didda 😂
I miss didda 😭
Thumbnail says "full frame" but isn't the ZVE-10 II using an ASPC sensor?
Its the name of this video series
Great job Becca! Fantastic editing too, loved the screen recording of the iPhone camera on the left while the full photograph appeared on the right
Becca vid drops. I leave Like. Tis a simple transaction
Best videos from the Verge.
Becca really nailed the presentation and fluidity in this video great work!
I just hate the workflow shooting videos with an iPhone. With the new USB-C port it might be a bit faster, but transfering footage to a mac after shooting for a whole day takes ages. Also editing iPhone Footage in Premiere is a nightmare due to the fact, that the iPhone records in a flexible Framerate - for whatever reason that is useful. 🤷🏼 Made Premiere crash multiple times.
I was forced to shoot with iPhones for a specific production, where they wanted the "authentic TikTok look" and I hope this was the last time I had to do this. 😅
Love my Sony FX3 now even more. ❤
Just turn off the flexible framerate... had the same issues with Premier crashing on iphone and samsung videos with flexible framerate.
@@Gabriel.Leni100 Where can one disable the flexible framerate?
As person with a Mac and who uses Final Cut Pro its the opposite. The most confident camera for me is the iPhone because it’s super easy to import footage and Final Cut works super well with iPhone footage.
Thanks Becca & team. Your reviews continue to stand out. Nicely done once again ‼
Imagine hardware of these handheld cameras with the software of these phones, like a Pixel Camera. That would be just amazing.
So basically an Olympus camera
@@anasrida3454wait, m34 cameras use that much software? :oo
I didnt know OM systems/olympus did that
“There will always be a better camera than the one you have. Be happy with your choice and enjoy what you have. Choose a stopping point and start being content.”
I wish I had only watched till 6:12, now I’m confused with too many options 😭😭
A7C user here, cheers for mentioning it, love it
Amazing amazing video!!!🤗 For your next video, I would definitely love to see a photography centered comparison between the Vivo X100 Ultra and your choice of camera. I think the focus of the comparison should be the element of speed in respect to quality, and how much of the gap between the two devices have been bridged!
Vivo X100 Ultra's new 85mm 200mp lens is quite amazing, so maybe the camera it's being compared to can have an equivalent focal length!
You have a professional and balanced take on this. Extremely useful. Thank you.
I just want something like the Galaxy K again. Also we had some phones that were modular with clickable accessoires, If only Samsung or a big brand would make a proper camera attachment for smartphones, it would make the camera business really fun again
I think they are afraid it will be super niche and won't end up selling a lot.
But it would be nice if they did.
Normal phone cameras are pretty insane rn, imagine what we could have if it was modular.
True af we need more first-party photography/videography mods. The brand Nothing’s subbrand CMF released a new midranger with interchangeable backs. Xiaomi 14 Ultra’s Photo Kit has a dedicated case where you can attach filters as well as a sidegrip which doubles as a power bank.
I would've said let's go the other way and add smartphone-level software to dedicated cameras. Imagine the software from a Pixel or iPhone hooked up to a professional camera body and lens.
Sony seems the most likely candidate since they've got both phones and cameras already (and pretty damn good ones). Google and Apple likely don't care enough about pro photography.
Happy I was not the only one that had that camera. :) The xenon flash was also great.
Always appreciate these, Cheers Becca
This is the presenters best video yet; direct to the point without being obnoxious! 👍
appreciate that, thank you 🙏
agreed
What I really like about this video is that it doesn't feel artificial or too much scripted, it feels like a natural review.
7:20 Where do people rent cameras? Seriously. I've never heard of this. Is this an East Coast thing?
Online
BorrowLenses, LensRentals both great sites for renting -- from a professional videographer opinion
Common for large cities. Great way to try out new equipment or for special projects
Scope is rare
Really, where mirrorless cameras shine is when you go full frame with a fast, good quality primes or zooms (over a kit lens), but it's far more expensive to do this than getting an iPhone. Going head to head with an iPhone with some photos that my family took vs my a7sii with a 50mm f/1.8, the quality is just light years different. Really good mirrorless cameras will also have a lot more leadway with that you can do with the image, esp when it comes to processing video after. For example, the color profile of Cine4 gives you that filmic look that you just cannot replicate with an iPhone. Photography on phones still gets better with each year no doubt, it just always fails to get close to what I can do with my photography equipment
Someday Sony will realize a $1000+ camera doesn’t remotely compete with a $1000+ phone.
A camera is something people buy in addition to phones, not instead of. And phone prices are a lot easier to justify with all they do.
So a dedicated camera can’t just be “better”, it’s gotta be a LOT better to be worthwhile for non-professionals.
I have a late-model smartphone (P8Pro) with a highly-rated camera. I also have a Sony full-frame camera that's 3 generations back (a7iii). The Sony rocks, on any display larger than a cell phone display. Especially in low light. Low light cellphone photos just don't hold up on large displays. My Sony gets better pics WITHOUT stacking images.
When image quality matters, there's no substitute for a real camera.
You're both right
100 / agree . Every person on earth has a phone but not everyone more like only professional people the camera. It's nonsense to pay as casual user 1000+ to a camera then upload to Google photos to compress the hell out of it.
Exactly!!
Dedicated cameras are the one, and make photos much more special.
An iPhone is great for convenience and light documenting, but my Fuji X100V takes photos that are truly magical with much more detail and depth that help you to relive a moment.
Thanks for reviewing cameras! I'd love to see a review of the Pentax 17 film camera :)
Your content is amazing.. keep up the awesome work 😊
Which camera are you talking to at 0:30?
She also has an A7C mark 1 & Zve1
Great review, Becca! Very helpful.
I believe we haven't seen the Samsung S24 Ultra vs iPhone 15 Pro Max, would love to see that
There's only like a thousand of those videos on RUclips, yeah we definitely need another one!
@@rl-pavel I just like Verge's review, photographer's view you know...
Thanks Becca, we all love your videos!!
I think the iPhone's photos and videos are so good that its deficits are invisible to all but the most observant viewers, especially if the content is good, so as to not draw attention to them. For something that's always in your pocket, it really is an incredible tool, and one that I don't hesitate to incorporate into my workflow.
In September. The zve10ii vs the iPhone 16 pro max. Then I will decide if I am getting the Sony. I’m tempted now
1:01 it’s not full frame
Not super obvious I guess but that’s the name of the show, not the size of the sensor.
Its the name of her show bruh
Needed this review. Thank you!
It’s crazy… I actually thought the iPhone looked way better the entire video
I always love how you present products.
Good Morning Buds!
mornin' bud 👋
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Afternoon :)
Good afternoon from Europe! :)
Becca is the most humane reviewer ever😂💫, as always amazing content!
It is only matter of time before camera manufacturers begin incorporating Computational Photography feature into their cameras
This is so sad.
If you shoot JPEG, the camera do some sort of computational photography, same thing with film simulation. If you shoot RAW, and transfer it to your mobile and let apps like Snapseed to enhance it, you can get computational photography too. Some people find the photo editing after the shoot tedious; shooting JPEG, and using Snapseed may solve that.
Never
that will probably be in a separate mode if so, so we can have the choice.
So much passion in the video. And such honest review. 😊
The capabilities of the iPhone camera these days are crazy.
I like your videos! This is the second video I have watched by you. Keep making awesome content. Thank you!
Really cool comparison. Thats what I needed.
Excellent review
This is precisely why regular cameras are extinct or about to go extinct. They're both good enough. But one's a phone.
I love the creative control over my camera rather than algorithm doing it for me. I should be the creator of the art and I love doing it.
I'm a simple person. I see Becca, I click. I watch. I like.
softwares is one of the reasons why most people think modern phone cameras do kinda suck
what you see is not what you get
i've read some article where they say XR has the best camera, i just think it is because it lacks the software computation that the newer model has, the older camera system gives you what you see
I own the 1st gen ZV-E10 and got an iPhone 15 Pro Max a short time after. I pretty much use the iPhone completely for photos and video (only 182 shots on my Sony). I prefer almost all the iPhone shots in your comparison with the exception of the weird artifacts you point out, but I don't run into those situations often. I guess as I get older, I don't feel the need to tweak my photos that much if they can come out of the box 90% pleasing to the eye. And when I do want to make adjustments, it's more convenient to do so on my phone anyways.
You're so good at this. Thank you!
Its blows my mind that no one has created a dedicated camera with smart phone camera tech/processing.
you need SoC for that.
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony makes and owns all the elements required to make this innovative device.
@@aaronthibodeaux3558 you need chipset like Snapdragon to have that "processing" you mention. It aint magic
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony made phones that had some of the best phone camera in the business. Samsung would also be a prime business to create this product.
They have… kind of?
It sucked and flopped.
The sensor is too small in phones
I have an iPhone 13 pro and a Sony A7 III with Tamron f2.7 lens, and I use my iPhone for almost all purpose and use Sony for specific occasions. So yeah, unless you are a professional photographer for a wedding or event, you are better off with top smartphones like the current iPhone max or Samsung Ultra. Top camera gears are not easy to use for most users and needs a big learning curve and lots of experimentations so choose based on the needs.
Honestly, I liked the iPhone footage better.
Becca is always on point! best reviewer on Verge by far
That phone is beating that camera 90% of the time...
Thought I was the only one..
On auto for sure, for someone who knows how to use it… impossible
It its 99% a video camera tho… keep that in mind
Are you blind? lol.
@@bassyeyHe's feeling that way because the iPhone is typically going to make pictures brighter and faces more clear. Which for most people will make them feel like it's a better photo.
you don't see all the details watching photos from compressed youtube video on small screen. It is like watching at a 10 year old car from 30 meters. It will look ok, until you come closer.
I always love Becca's videos. Perfect breakdown every time.
I'm still on my sony a6100, which I really enjoy as I'm mostly doing still photography. I really felt it when becca said the aps-c sensor is 9x bigger than the iphone. And because I compare the two a lot I could pick out which was which in the side-by-side
I really love your reviews! They are the best on this channel.👍 Do you have your own channel???
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@@BeccaFarsace I run my channel, and I film using a Sony a6700, which has the same sensor as the Sony camera featured in this video.
A very well rounded take. I was in this situation a couple months ago, considering the new phone vs dedicated camera situation for my mother. I needed something portable with great photo and video quality and especially with good image stabilization in case of shooting outdoors.
I ended up buying the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 Creator Combo and I have been very satisfied, or rather positively surprised at how good my purchase turned out to be. It's a tiny cam with a built in mechanical gimbal. Thus it gives you crazy good stabilization without cropping into your original video, which is a big win over the phones. The pocket 3 handles light extremely well as well, always making sure that your videos even in a badly lit room look good. The pictures always turn out great. It has a great feature where you can just place it in one place and lock yourself as the subject by double tapping your face and the camera will follow you around while keeping you centered. It can also be used as a webcam and uses a type c cable for connecting. You can also just leave it on a desk and then control it from far away from your phone with the DJI Mimo app. I bought the whole thing for 619 GBP, reason being the additional accessories in the combo are a really great value proposition. It has a mini tripod, additional battery handle, wireless transmitter mic, etc.
I know this sounds a bit too good to be true but I believe some of the issues mentioned in this video (like stabilization) are tackled in a unique way and it would be great to see the comparison here. I'm not sure if the people that are looking for this kind of stuff are even aware of it's existence.
Can you do a video about fuji camera and vitage looking photography 👍
I got a Canon R10 for a photography course, but I never heard about built in ND filters. You can find ND filters that can be used directly with the sensor for better convenience, but from what I've seen, a pro photographer will choose the ND that mounts on the lens. Regarding the bokeh, this can be done by setting the aperture of the lens to be wide open (around f2.8 to f1.2), however, such lenses can be pretty expensive.
oh, this is The Verge channel. Who I am teaching here 🤣
Got the first ZVE-10 and love it. Definitely recommend. It can shoot like a higher end camera with a new lens.
Excellent comparison and evaluation! Good job!
I see a Becca video. I click. This was great as usual thanks 🙏🏽
Great video and great advice! It's amazing that in a world with rapid inflation, entry and midrange camera bodies keep getting better for around the same cost. About 8 years ago I got a Lumix G85, which blew my mind for $900, and a few years later the BMPCC 4K blew my mind again for around $1200. Not sure if there's quite been a leap as big as that, but the this and the FX30 are promising steps forward, no doubt. To any filmmakers/videographers hyper-fixated on "full frame", up until recent years, the Super 35mm was the standard, which is roughly equivalent to APS-C. The term "cropped" is misleading because it's only cropped relative to 35mm.
That was a very enjoyable video. Thanks Becca.
Incredible video! Your presentation style is so positive and engaging. Thinking about this zv-e10 mark ii versus iPhone 15/16 pro for talking language education style content, medium to long form in home studio with good lights and audio. Nothing fancy, just teaching. Any advice? Thanks again!
Great video! Glad I found you. Looking to upgrade from my m50 22 mm pancake. Should I use a flash in low light?
You could have shot log video on iPhone an shot stills in RAW and that would make the difference between the cameras even smaller.
Most of the time oversharpening is a sign of a phone photo and it's eliminated by using raw/log.
Great video! I liked the head to head comparison of image quality.
Becca's energy and positive vibes is unmatched she's definitely a keeper
the look of your videos is amazingly clean🤩
Just Subscribed ❤ you rock!!
Always love your videos Becca. Keep killin it!
Whether i am capable to buy or not, i love these videos all the same. Keep them coming!