Sony’s new $999 camera vs. an iPhone 15 Pro Max
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- The Sony ZV-E10 II is the APS-C mirrorless system follow-up to the original ZV-E10 vlogging camera of 2021, now with a bigger battery, a 26-megapixel backside-illuminated sensor, and improved 4K video. It will cost $999 for the body or $1,099 in a bundle with Sony’s new PZ 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS II lens when it launches in early August. #Technology
iPhone 15 Pro Max camera review: • 1000 photos later: iPh...
0:00 what is the Sony ZV-E10 II?
1:02 iPhone 15 Pro Max vs. ZV-E10 II footage
2:11 what is computational photography?
3:03 what the Sony is better at
3:29 what the iPhone is better at
4:04 review of the Sony ZV-E10 II
5:17 whats missing in the ZV-E10 II
6:16 other camera options
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What two cameras do you want to see compared to each other next? -Becca
do the vivo x100 ultra vs the 15 pro max
Fuji X100Vi
Sony A7R V + Sony 35 f/1.8 vs. Leica M7 + Summicron 35 f/2. I am not joking, seriously considering going back to film at this point.
The entry-level video content creator battle:
iPhone 15 Pro vs DJI osmo pocket 3 vs Sony ZV-E10ii
But an in-depth into really shooting videos (practical, not numbers by producer):
• Apple-LOG vs S-LOG vs D-LOG
• Stabilazations
• Shooting in normal formats
• connecting accessories (microphones, gimbals, ssd, etc)
• low light
• youtube studios
It would be amazing,
Thanks Becca!
Any android with Motioncam, full LOG and RAW video is available
A Sony sensor vs another Sony sensor 😆
Winner? The Sony sensor😂😂😂
@@naththoau its a joke because the iPhone's hardware is a Sony sensor. Not sure if you got that
Fujifilm xt5 vs Ricoh gr 3
@@naththoau Apple uses a Sony sensor, this is the problem with phone ‘photographers’, they are usually confident, confidently incompetent. The Apple is gonna be in focus most of the time because of DOF, if you have problems with Sony AF, chances are its a user problem.
@@naththoaupeople like you should stick to phones. Using a real camera is beyond you lmao
Biggest issue I have with phone camera is that what you see is not what you get.
get pixel instead of iphone lmao
@@_Pt3k_my pixel also doesn't have 100% accurate colors but its a bit better
yes
yeah! i usually think it looks better before all of the filters get added but there's no way to remove them
@@kjellbeats the problem is not the colour science but the heavy post processing that smartphones do.
The point on computational photography is so true. The FIRST thing I noticed when playing with my x100vi is “wow the iPhone does a lot of heavy lifting”. And it’s great! So often you want to get a nice photo of friends and you get to pay barely any attention to the light levels around you. It sees the faces, lights them correctly, and then gives you an image ready to share. The X100vi on the other hand makes you think about the light, where it’s coming from, how bright it is. It makes it quite fun but it’s a very different experience.
But once you get enough experience, you’ll never want to go back. Yes, the iPhone sees the faces and does a ton to them to make them bright enough. But if also butchers them (the shot at 3:13 is a great example and I’m SHOCKED Apple still hasn’t fixed this). And yeah, with a camera like the X100vi you have to pay attention to lighting and all that. But once it’s become second nature, your photos will become much better regardless of what you shoot them on.
Granted, I shoot only raw - not because I’m a snob, but because a lot of the time, it’s the only way of getting out of my photos what I want. So at a BBQ with friends last weekend I took a bunch of photos, all of which were leaps and bounds better than what the others got with their phones, but yeah. I did have to put my photos into Lightroom and process them. I’m willing to do that, but I understand why a lot of people aren’t. And that’s fine.
I feel like the X100 series can be a GREAT middle ground though! Film recipes can get you really far, while also taking advantage of a good sensor and lens. I kinda wish I had one in addition to my Sony A7C II. =)
Well put!
I'd say when using a camera, my focus is much more on making sure settings are optimal, keeping an eye on light (intensity, direction), dynamic range in a scene, nailing focus if I'm shooting at a wide aperture, dialing in the ISO/aperture just right if light is low, etc. With my phone, a good chunk of that ceases to matter. The phone does most of the hard work, and if I grab a few shots of whatever I'm shooting, usually most of them do nail it, unless the scene is completely beyond its capabilities. The result: I spend much, much more time thinking about composition - getting an interesting angle, framing things just so, feeling more emboldened to take photos including random people passing by (no one cares about someone taking photos with a phone, people definitely notice a mirrorless with a big lens), etc.
There are no right/wrong answers here. Whatever inspires you, or reduces the friction to have fun and take photos is the way to go. Unless you do this stuff professionally, at which point... you buy the fancy camera + associated gear and learn it all like the back of your hand lol
For personal photos, all I really care about is getting a clean raw file I can edit. My iPhone 13 Pro Max almost always delivers - even put up against my a7iii. Obviously the Sony has higher limits, but... I usually end up using the one that fits in my pocket...
I usually just have it in Aperture priority and change the exposure compensation based on the lighting. I guess that it is a tiny bit more work, but the photos i get out of my Fujifilm camera look so much nicer than any phone imo. And with a Fujifilm camera, you get film simulations, which make the process even easier. The fact that you can get usable jpegs that have beautiful color rendering directly out of camera is incredible.
@@gclip9883 Tell me about it. I'd love that in my Sony (which leaves close to nothing to be desired otherwise).
@@rickbiessman6084I like my cameras saving exactly the image they're seeing, not one so postprocessed it can reconstruct even detail that was never there
Which is why I buy phones with complete camera setups (if it wasn't so expensive I'd get a Sony Xperia) and that allow saving raw images or images with minimal processing
So that's what ødegaard does in his free time
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Now I can't unsee it LMAO
love reviews like hers, SHORT, AND TO THE POINT! TY
I would also mention that you can get a Sony camera with the same size sensor for pennies! For the cheapest look at the NEX series, you'll get one for 1/10th of the price of this one. Then slightly better, cameras like a5000.
just like the pasta
@@PKM1010same sensor size but nex lineup and a5000 is really old and the different is way too big and noticeable. it's fine for still, but for video it's just too old. but if you really tight on budget, i'll get a6000 instead.
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4:06 that I mean whatt!!, caught me offgaurd.😂😂
LOL
That's called a Penesini
i didnt even noitced, thanks tho
Italian here. “Cazzetti” literally means “Tiny d1cks”. 😁
whats funnier is that pasta is called ''cazzetti'' which in italian means little wieners LOL
Sony really needs to make something to compete with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. The awesome stabilization, small form factor and ease of use blows every other video camera out of the water right now.
let me know when your Pocket 3 can mount a telephoto lens..
@@Broken_Orbital considering the market is vlogging like this 1000$ toy then never
action camera and traditional camera aren't really comparable. Action camera focus on the durability for most versatile situation whereas traditional form factor camera focus on image quality. If all you want is posting videos on social media then definitely the DJI is way better but if you want that professional look and the ability to also take good stills, you gotta go for the Sony
@@Broken_Orbital A good telephoto lens costs more than the camera itself!
@@STACYBURK buy used, buy vintage, buy adapters, save money.
it’s thanks to your video on the ZV E1 that I ended up actually buying that camera as my first ever non phone camera, and one year later I’m making a living as a full time videographer with it :) I suppose I just wanted to say thanks for that, a review of yours kind of changed my life.
I love your reviews. It brings back memories of my photography discovery in the early 2000’s. The enthusiasm, the love for the image, the analog feeling of using a real camera. Thank you!
Can i just say your audio is amazing! A video on the process of recording and kit would be amazing.
Honestly i started to notice how crisp it actually was after reading your comment lol
I would guess a very nice microphone with a 32bit floating point recorder.
Great video. The verge is lucky to have you on the team.
Keep it up!
What a great video. Love your energy and vibe Becca.
Becca! That pasta! I clutch my pearls!!! 😂😂😂
This is my kind of video. Thanks, Becca!
The best camera is the 1 that you have access to most of the time. You can have a camera with all the of the elaborate specifications but if you don't have it with you during special moments then its just a product on display.
And I take my Sony A7C II everywhere I go. Because the best camera is the one that takes good pictures. My smartphone simply doesn’t; and even if it did, I still wouldn’t enjoy the shooting process with it.
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i'm going even further with this concept and getting the RayBan METAs... there has been candid shots i've missed simply because my phone was in my pocket, so having one on my face ready to go is the way forward
that's really not true if you are a professional photographer lol
This quote is so overused and misused. It only means that capturing the moment is more important than focusing on gear.
Becca’s videos are always a must watch. Great video!!
Amazing amazing video!!!🤗 For your next video, I would definitely love to see a photography centered comparison between the Vivo X100 Ultra and your choice of camera. I think the focus of the comparison should be the element of speed in respect to quality, and how much of the gap between the two devices have been bridged!
Vivo X100 Ultra's new 85mm 200mp lens is quite amazing, so maybe the camera it's being compared to can have an equivalent focal length!
I like your videos! This is the second video I have watched by you. Keep making awesome content. Thank you!
Thanks for reviewing cameras! I'd love to see a review of the Pentax 17 film camera :)
Becca thanks for this video, especially the camera comparison at the end.
iPhone and smartphones in general have a really fried look. Like manufacturers trying to apply 10 sharpening filters or something
That's mostly on Android phones, with oversharpened and saturated look and skin tone
IPhones are far better and takes much more realistic pictures and handles hdr better too
@@yeagerfolk796 the IPhone 15 isn't even in the top 10 on the DXO Mark website. It's barely in the top 20.
@@yeagerfolk796thats really funny
@@yeagerfolk796 Colors are way off on iPhones.
@yeagerfolk796 nah, Apple has issues. As does Samsung and Google. They're all different issues, but none of them are perfect, far from it
Surprised by how much I liked this video. Has been hard to find good comparisons like this where it seems like the person speaking actually knows what they're talking about.
Excellent comparison and evaluation! Good job!
This is the presenters best video yet; direct to the point without being obnoxious! 👍
appreciate that, thank you 🙏
agreed
I just want something like the Galaxy K again. Also we had some phones that were modular with clickable accessoires, If only Samsung or a big brand would make a proper camera attachment for smartphones, it would make the camera business really fun again
I think they are afraid it will be super niche and won't end up selling a lot.
But it would be nice if they did.
Normal phone cameras are pretty insane rn, imagine what we could have if it was modular.
True af we need more first-party photography/videography mods. The brand Nothing’s subbrand CMF released a new midranger with interchangeable backs. Xiaomi 14 Ultra’s Photo Kit has a dedicated case where you can attach filters as well as a sidegrip which doubles as a power bank.
I would've said let's go the other way and add smartphone-level software to dedicated cameras. Imagine the software from a Pixel or iPhone hooked up to a professional camera body and lens.
Sony seems the most likely candidate since they've got both phones and cameras already (and pretty damn good ones). Google and Apple likely don't care enough about pro photography.
Happy I was not the only one that had that camera. :) The xenon flash was also great.
Always love your videos Becca. Keep killin it!
I don’t watch every video you make, but every time I watch one of yours I always think “damm you’re really good”! Thank you
Becca vid drops. I leave Like. Tis a simple transaction
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@@PHlophe That's not a parasocial relationship... 💀 it's just curiosity. Learn to distinguish or wait a while to understand if you learned a new word 💀
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Great job Becca! Fantastic editing too, loved the screen recording of the iPhone camera on the left while the full photograph appeared on the right
I really appreciate your videos, you're great! Keep it up!
Do a comparison video of the $1400 cameras mentioned
THIS
Yes pls
you need to decide what you want / need a camera for (e.g. video, street photography, landscape etc) and go look for cameras that do that. not by price range for cameras that are not all designed for the same thing
Really cool comparison. Thats what I needed.
oh hell yes i was waiting for a video just like this lmao
I loved this video. It was so educational and helped me understand what I'm looking for in my next camera. Thank you!
The people that want any sort of camera and those that want to shoot off their camera are different demographics though. I used to carry my camera EVERYWHERE, but that was because the camera on my phone wasn't good enough. Now with my s23 ultra I haven't felt the need to carry my big clunky camera, and yet another bag.
@charlesdamien5849: I too carry my Sony RX100-7 everywhere; for me I only a mddle-ling Samsung, with a phone cam that is decent, but the sensor size on the phone cam is way too small and there is only so much you can do with software to compensate for those limitations. If you want to carry a camera I suggest a Sony RX100-5a, or a -7, it has SAPM modes, and can shoot raw& .JPG. The zoom range on the -7 goes from 24-200mm, whereas the -5a goes from 24-70mm. For me phone cams are quite good within their design parameters, but once outside, the photos are inadequate. I don't know about the video on the phone cams, but the HD video on my RX100 is quite good, it will do 4K vids but the file sizes generated are huge.
@@ronaldlee3537This is a very personal choice. If you just want to capture the moment and emotion then any modern phone will do. For all the people using cheap phones to capture those moments, none of this matters. As someone who had those really bad phone cameras and also went everywhere with a camera I now use mainly a A10 S and a S8+. Until printing photos becomes a thing again does not matter. These th things only matter for pros and enthusiasts and the companies that make products for them. Each is not better but good for what is used for. A hammer is not better than a saw because they do two very different things.
Try a flagship phone camera in today's market. They're surprisingly competent.@@ronaldlee3537
I use a Pixel 7 Pro and I find that I rarely miss my old Canon 5dm3.
Good luck with your storage and transferring huge files and battery management.
If you’re a novice and beginner then yes it would work based on what you just said but if you aren’t a davinci and Lightroom user than you not like us and good luck with the phone 📱
I own the 1st gen ZV-E10 and got an iPhone 15 Pro Max a short time after. I pretty much use the iPhone completely for photos and video (only 182 shots on my Sony). I prefer almost all the iPhone shots in your comparison with the exception of the weird artifacts you point out, but I don't run into those situations often. I guess as I get older, I don't feel the need to tweak my photos that much if they can come out of the box 90% pleasing to the eye. And when I do want to make adjustments, it's more convenient to do so on my phone anyways.
Whether i am capable to buy or not, i love these videos all the same. Keep them coming!
Thanks for the excellent comparison! 🙌
Good Morning Buds!
mornin' bud 👋
@@BeccaFarsace ♥️
Afternoon :)
Good afternoon from Europe! :)
I believe we haven't seen the Samsung S24 Ultra vs iPhone 15 Pro Max, would love to see that
There's only like a thousand of those videos on RUclips, yeah we definitely need another one!
@@rl-pavel I just like Verge's review, photographer's view you know...
Great work as always Becca! I think this further proves the point, that devices / equipment dedicated to doing one thing really well is what a lot of people look for. Smart phones are great, but they are they are also a device with 100's of different distractions built right into them as well.
Dude, this video is great
I'm a simple person. I see Becca, I click. I watch. I like.
Its blows my mind that no one has created a dedicated camera with smart phone camera tech/processing.
you need SoC for that.
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony makes and owns all the elements required to make this innovative device.
@@aaronthibodeaux3558 you need chipset like Snapdragon to have that "processing" you mention. It aint magic
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony made phones that had some of the best phone camera in the business. Samsung would also be a prime business to create this product.
You have a professional and balanced take on this. Extremely useful. Thank you.
Great vid. So informational. As for what I'd like to see, a comparison between the Pentax 17 with any other half frame camera. Diving into analog as of late in my photography journey.
The capabilities of the iPhone camera these days are crazy.
99.99% of all people starting out creating content only need their phone because 99.98% of them will just quit in the end.
Thanks Becca, we all love your videos!!
Loved this video so much! This makes me want to go back to photography and dip my toes into some video too ^__^
That phone is beating that camera 90% of the time...
Thought I was the only one..
On auto for sure, for someone who knows how to use it… impossible
It its 99% a video camera tho… keep that in mind
Are you blind? lol.
@@bassyeyHe's feeling that way because the iPhone is typically going to make pictures brighter and faces more clear. Which for most people will make them feel like it's a better photo.
you don't see all the details watching photos from compressed youtube video on small screen. It is like watching at a 10 year old car from 30 meters. It will look ok, until you come closer.
So much passion in the video. And such honest review. 😊
great seeing your vdos. love from IN
Thanks Becca & team. Your reviews continue to stand out. Nicely done once again ‼
Very interesting with great comparison footage. Thanks!
great review thanks for sharing!
the look of your videos is amazingly clean🤩
That was a very enjoyable video. Thanks Becca.
I would like to see a mini series of some sort where you use the cheapest camera from each manufacturer like sony, nikon, canon, etc
What camera and lens are you using when you're talking directly to the camera?
Aww, i was about to getting ZV E10 this month but i am suprised they already release the 2th generation.. waiting for the review
Becca really nailed the presentation and fluidity in this video great work!
I recently got myself an a7iii as my first proper camera. It’s been really fun to use and learn on.
As usual, a great rap. Thanks Becca. 🎉🎉🎉
This is so helpful, thank you!
Great review, Becca! Very helpful.
Fantastic video!
I always love how you present products.
I see a Becca video. I click. This was great as usual thanks 🙏🏽
I always love Becca's videos. Perfect breakdown every time.
I watched the thumbnail preview to make sure that this was going to be a Becca video before watching because I love her positive vibe. Always fun to get her take on this stuff.
Dedicated cameras are the one, and make photos much more special.
An iPhone is great for convenience and light documenting, but my Fuji X100V takes photos that are truly magical with much more detail and depth that help you to relive a moment.
What I really like about this video is that it doesn't feel artificial or too much scripted, it feels like a natural review.
Becca is always on point! best reviewer on Verge by far
The perfect video idea, done by the right people. Thank you, Becca and The Verge!
Thanks. Feels like a nice honest review. :)
This was very fun to watch, thank you! I also love the feeling of a view-finder and I'm very happy that people are still gearing towards dedicated cameras. Smartphones are quick, but cameras are fun.
In other news, what mic setup did you use to record this?
Becca is the most humane reviewer ever😂💫, as always amazing content!
I really love your reviews! They are the best on this channel.👍 Do you have your own channel???
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@@BeccaFarsace subscribed :)
@@BeccaFarsace I run my channel, and I film using a Sony a6700, which has the same sensor as the Sony camera featured in this video.
I appreciate that recommendation to rent it before you buy it.
The image stabilization could or could not be an issue. I’ll have to try it to find out.
I would love to see a comparison between this camera, Fujifilm XS20 and Panasonic S9. The so called "vlogging" cameras of each company.
Love your energy. Any tips on improving on-screen presence?
Excellent review
Thanks for this comparison
Can you please compare the iphone 15 pro vs the galaxy s24 ultra
Very sensible and interesting content.
The pasta really caught me lol
Nice video and very good explanation. What am I going to do with my Nikon F2's?
Incredible video! Your presentation style is so positive and engaging. Thinking about this zv-e10 mark ii versus iPhone 15/16 pro for talking language education style content, medium to long form in home studio with good lights and audio. Nothing fancy, just teaching. Any advice? Thanks again!
Just Subscribed ❤ you rock!!
A very well rounded take. I was in this situation a couple months ago, considering the new phone vs dedicated camera situation for my mother. I needed something portable with great photo and video quality and especially with good image stabilization in case of shooting outdoors.
I ended up buying the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 Creator Combo and I have been very satisfied, or rather positively surprised at how good my purchase turned out to be. It's a tiny cam with a built in mechanical gimbal. Thus it gives you crazy good stabilization without cropping into your original video, which is a big win over the phones. The pocket 3 handles light extremely well as well, always making sure that your videos even in a badly lit room look good. The pictures always turn out great. It has a great feature where you can just place it in one place and lock yourself as the subject by double tapping your face and the camera will follow you around while keeping you centered. It can also be used as a webcam and uses a type c cable for connecting. You can also just leave it on a desk and then control it from far away from your phone with the DJI Mimo app. I bought the whole thing for 619 GBP, reason being the additional accessories in the combo are a really great value proposition. It has a mini tripod, additional battery handle, wireless transmitter mic, etc.
I know this sounds a bit too good to be true but I believe some of the issues mentioned in this video (like stabilization) are tackled in a unique way and it would be great to see the comparison here. I'm not sure if the people that are looking for this kind of stuff are even aware of it's existence.
Got the first ZVE-10 and love it. Definitely recommend. It can shoot like a higher end camera with a new lens.
Great video Becca
The Sony may have a 9 times larger sensor (that's about 3 and 1/3 stops), but that kit lens is so slow that it kinda negates that sensor size advantage - from F1.4 to F4 you lose 3 stops. I think it would be worth making a comparison using the Sony 15mm F1.4 or the 11mm F1.8.
Kind of fresh, light, reviewing style; love it
Great video and great advice! It's amazing that in a world with rapid inflation, entry and midrange camera bodies keep getting better for around the same cost. About 8 years ago I got a Lumix G85, which blew my mind for $900, and a few years later the BMPCC 4K blew my mind again for around $1200. Not sure if there's quite been a leap as big as that, but the this and the FX30 are promising steps forward, no doubt. To any filmmakers/videographers hyper-fixated on "full frame", up until recent years, the Super 35mm was the standard, which is roughly equivalent to APS-C. The term "cropped" is misleading because it's only cropped relative to 35mm.
04:05 you literally ate a bag of them 😂😆😆😆
love your content!
do you know in some places (at least my country), they will charge money for bringing any DSLR, so my phone is the only option 😂