Probably the best solution would be to find a person who will arrange the job from the freight exchange. And as a business owner, you have to get behind the wheel. Looking at the rates in the market, you could get 130 miles, £ 600 for a route. around £ 90 costs you fuel one way. Of course, you have to remember about the depreciation of the truck and fixed costs such as payment, leasing, insurance, etc. And if you don't have to come home and you can come home after e.g. five days, you can make a really nice coin. I'm just talking about one truck. You have to have a nice job to hire people. All the best for a You
100% agree with u I’m an od “owner driver” in the aggregate industry yes on paper we earn a “lot” of money but what people tend to forget is the running of a truck fuel tyres 6 weekly inspections everyone forgets this thanks for the informative vid thanks guys!
I love your channel and your honesty. The long and short of it is to get your own customers and customers that pay on time. Amazon not rich by giving out money to their employees or contractors, they will squeeze the smaller firms as much as legally possible. There's plenty of work out there for fools who are willing to work for free.
@@AgnesMann Yes I'm an owner driver and I came close to signing up with Amazon but after reading the small print I decided it wasn't for me due to the amount of liability my company had to put up with compared to what amazon was willing to take. Now I just work with smaller companies, at least with them when there's any problems you speak directly to the owners and get things solved.
@@Beksization good you managed to sway away before signing into it. Do you know anyone that had gone down afp route and if so how well they are doing ?
@@AgnesMann No one the afp side but I know a few on rhe relay side of things and those guys were persuaded to buy 2nd and 3rd trucks by Amazon only whe. things were going well but come January and February they lost their drivers due to lack of loads from Amazon and ended up with trucks without any work or drivers. I keep telling people that sometimes we shouldn't allow the good times (peak season) mash up our judgment when making these business decisions. Always work on the basis of worse case scenario especially if money is tight. Don't go for a 2nd and 3rd truck if you don't have established clients.
Thank you. It would be good to get to speak to someone that had done afp or still doing it to have first hand opinion. From far it doesn’t look that attractive to us yet only those that’s done it will know for sure
It is extremely difficult to find honest information about this program, I currently train AFP drivers and I was considering signing up for this. thank you for the information you may have saved me a lot of stress.
Thank you Agnes/Jash, thus what they done me, i book 2-3 jobs, at times overlap a bit so i can make some money & then they don't like it, i have to work nights and them that, they knock me rating down 59%, you got me if you have any sub-jobs ✌
Hay guys thanks for the info. I have 3 trucks that deliver fuel. I net a lot more than 120,000 Iam in California.nothing that Amazon offers makes any real money that’s how bezo is wealthy
I guess it’s an even better business up in started to what it is in the UK. Here the competition is huge and small businesses cut prices down which is not a good thing. Thanks for sharing with us and hope to see you visit the channel again
Another great video guys ,keep up the good work ,shame the industry has gone quiet just as I want to purchase my first truck ,I maybe wrong as I know there's less opportunity for work in a rigid but I can't help thinking local rigid work is the best way to build a customer base and get direct work ,I currently do class 1 general haulage and it seems like you find a job on a platform like hx from one of the big companies that can't do it that day and once you have done that job you start looking for your next one and never really being able to build the business but just rely on online platforms .....anyway great advice and that your always offering to help others wanting to go into the industry
this might be a good idea to built the customer base this way. the work is really quiet to the point that we are thinking of actually downgrading so to minimise the cost. Hopefully it will pick up real soon. How long you have been doing class 1?
Downgrading ?...you mean only run one truck for a while ?......that would be a shame .you say your in mk maybe try traction work for local companies like k and k as there in Milton Keynes. IV had my class 1 licence for 7 years but only been driving them for one year .it just seems very hard to get direct customers for class 1 work so when you get the jobs online ,everyone else has already taken there cut of the money and then rates are not so good
Have a look at the aggregate industries mate there’s good money to be earned ie mixers tippers there’s plenty of work u can make good money like I’ve always said your not going to be a millionaire but you will earn a very good living mate message me u want know more I’ve been an od for 3 year now
You guys are just amazing to honestly share this kind of information. I'm from Thailand and nowadays this kind of program are really famous for parcel delivery company in Thailand. And sadly that most of people who don't have enough knowledge for running their own truck couldn't make it through the next few month! They cannot afford to pay for the installment, fuel and other hiding cost because of the given credit term from the company. The main reason is that they were tempting by the monthly offering figures which make them think that they can cover all the expenses. The current margins for transport business in Thailand are around 10-20%... How about in UK? Is it as low as my country, I wonder... Thank you for such an amazing video. You guys just amazing.
Thank you Agnes your videos are very informative, I am class 1 fuel driver I am planning on starting my journey with 1 artic within 1 year I should have the money for it I am based in Dartford and there's loads of work here on peak times👍
Thank you for the comment and Best of luck! if you need help, please reach out we are here to help. And please don't forget to share the video so more people get inspired to get into this business.
Oh wow, just the video i wanted to see, Hi Agnes and Jash, i have seen your other video about becoming a Transport manager, to help your husband Jash, well i am now planning to do the course , to help my brother too, who is just starting his Amazon AFS program , i also think he will benefit from your experience as we in the UK , whats the best way to contact you ?
Spoke to Amazon about AFP and they said that the trucks would be on lease with Amazon paying the upfront also because its lease hold, the truck maintenance is inclusive of your monthly payment. Surely that way your risk is mitigated...
That is only one aspect of running a transport business. You have many others that they will not tell you how much goes into it. Just think about it- why wouldn’t they just do it on their own- rather than getting others to do it. You get stuck in a contract for a year and if you have no experience or knowledge you might regret getting into it. And those that have experience and knowledge would not touch this program. Just our opinion but it’s your call. Let us know if you do sign up what is your experience
@AgnesMann yes, but in your video you stated that you could be stuck with 10 trucks, you can't, if it doesn't work out you give them back to Amazon and presumably the next victim gets them. They told me this very clearly in the webinar. To clarify, I looked at it (briefly) and moved on, I'm 4th generation in haulage. But I do think you need to be accurate.
Hi I saw your video and most of what you said is true. I am an AFP since past 9 months. I am happy to share my experience anonymously due to NDA with the retailer. But I think it is important that anyone signing up new is fully aware of what they are heading into.
Oh my sorry to hear you fell into the trap. I know they use their selling techniques to get people in. It would be difficult to do the interview without disclosing your face or voice but I’ll think of it. Can you send me an email to Agnes.mann@hotmail.com and we will arrange something as this is a story to be told.
@@TheVimalpandey please send me an email so we can arrange this It would be very interesting to hear the experience first hand. Thank you for reaching out
Please clarify someting for me, you havent tried this program, you just listen to Webinars and you came to the conclusion thats not worth it? Amazon says that they pay for drivers,lorries, insurance, plus on top they look like they dont what you to fail.All you have to do....is to find drivers, they also pay maximum for the insurance , maximum for the drivers, so your first year should go "easy", they assure you wont fail,im not talking the 10 trucks, just 5. Could you clarify my confusion?Im seeing this project just now, and im just trying to see it as bad or good. Many thanks
Yes, I did not try it my self, but running this business we know first hand hoe it is to run it. And they make it all look and sound so goo (too good to be true) But I would not like to discourage you and would love to hear your experience if you do go ahead. I hope you are going to find a success with Amazon. Keep in touch
@@AgnesMann This program is very similar with DSP 2.0, where amazon doesnt supply maintance on the van, but they do with freight, Freight is the first hand in managing loads where the dsp program helps them get to customers, flex is getting the little dayli excess that dsp cant manage,,,,therefore the freight has the advantage? Im not sure why this discouragement ? am i not seing something? Or "to good to be true "?
well, look at the turnover vs profit figures that AFP states. If you think you want to have responsibility of running a business and end up with 60k a year profit and that's satisfy you, go ahead. We did not think this is a satisfactory figure (well less to what we make independently with smaller turnover, so clearly their costs are much higher as everything is outsourced from Amazon...) you need to make a decision for yourself, but as for us we would not step into this arrangement.
Heyy i just want to say keep doing this Its helpful for alot pf people this information u r sharing can help alot of people i just want to show my love nd wnt u to know that we appreciate your honesty Cheers❤️
@@AgnesMann i already subscribed and looking forward to gain some knowledge about this,you have Instagram account ? Where we can ask questions about this business Let me know about that please
What do you think about minivan with tent? Up to 5 or 7 ton?? Ford transit man ıveco something like that :) I started to belive that more clean money then truck?
Great video by the way guys, transport is not very easy, large corporation companies like Amazon will only workout for them little companies will just get robbed. Supermarkets possible best around for work or some of the smaller parcel companies could be good, container is if good rates, most importantly need good driver's because if have them and you pay well a good driver in return will look after you and your business.
Very true! Only issue we have at the moment is actually getting the jobs. CX pays too little, amazon relay even worse. Privately job is not guaranteed so we have too many quiet days lately. Hopefully the market will improve. DO you know anyone doing AFP? If now please share the video around so hopefully Amazon or people that work for them will come forward to tell us more... Thank you
@@AgnesMann Hi sorry don't anyone doing it, try contacting FedEx that's all lite loads, transport is tough business now your init just keep pushing on. Cx what's that been like. I will keep my ears open so anything useful I will send over to you both.
Just look at amazon employees to get know they are a high pressure operation. Its like an airline you'll need to run 24/7 with multiple drivers on shift to keep a single vehicle running non stop at minimum cost and wage.
Hi guys, I'm going to set up my own company at some point this but not sure yet what type of vehicle I wanna start with. Would you be able to have a look for me if there is any work for 18t or 26t rigid in North wales on courier exchange platform? Thanks
There might be jobs available now, but not available later, so no point basing your opinion on that. The market changes daily and therefore it is hard to know what will happen. I am sure you will be able to find work once you're ready. Hope this helps and that you for watching
hello Nice, i understood better, but you did not dwell on operators who do not have trucks? I want to apply with amazon providing the trucks. I didn't really understand amazon relay
They will provide you with the trucks on lease basis. Ie you lease from them. But you must apply for o licence for the authorisation of min 5 trucks. Hope that makes Sense
Some customers are more price sensitive than others but everyone here is to make money so you need to be careful how much you charge per job whatever that is that you’re transporting Hope that answers your questions but let me know as I’m not sure I understand your question 100%
I am a former DSP. You were absolutely right. There were many hidden costs with the fleet and hiring costs which Amazon did not disclosed. Amazon will exercise their rights to give or take business from you.
@@AgnesMann no I’m just starting to get my HGV license I only have the practical, side left. Once I get my license maybe I could get a job offer as a driver from you guys as I live in Heathrow area.
The 48.5k is there for the O licence requirement of 10 trucks so should not be involved in any cost of running the business, it just has to sit there in the bank as a requirement for the Traffic Commissioner. I am in the process of applying for the AFP program and am now having second thoughts. I am at the interview stage which is next week. It's concerning that you mention the ratings are affected for things out of your control like traffic and accidents. The pressure is on us as company owners to manage the drivers which they insist is there main concern, driver sickness and unreliability will cause major issues, as who goes out when something comes up last minute, I can drive myself to cover one driver but anymore than that and they'll be trucks just sitting there, I also heard you get fined for missed runs. Some of these concerns would be the same for running any company, though the profit against the time and effort to run this AFP seems too less, they've dangled a carrot by stating you can earn upto £200k which would be amazing, realistically it seems that would only be achieved if all the drivers turned up each day and on time to every pickup and drop off. Plus side is Amazon offer a lot of support which as a new comer to this industry maybe is a bonus. A lot to think about and ponder.....
Thank you for your comment and I do sincerely hope it works out for you (in the end they do claim to have people with successful stories so maybe yours will be one of them too) Please keep us posted on how are you getting one and what you have decided to do. Wishing you all the best
@@Rammores Hi mate I had an interview and I asked alot of questions about what costs are involved if a person decided to leave, the lady wasn’t being very clear but mentioned you would lose the setup costs which can vary estimated £26k. The uncertainty and mention of a rating system which affects how much you get paid is off putting for me. Due to these reasons I decided not to pursue it.
I had trucking company alot of experience but Amazon chose AFP partners who had no exp no knowledge but in their email they tell you this competitive area and they chose not go with my candidacy etc. They want immature no exp people. And they are so corrupt. My friend was well educated in finance and business they rejected him as well .
I don't understand why people joining AFP. Its like shooting in your own feet. AFP is doing massive damage to the transport industry and people not seeing this
I was in the webinar and I did ask some question based on my calculations if you can earn £100 per truck after all the expenses will be great but if you dont than is not worth the hadeck and they said is everything is included in the price when you hire for them the trucks as breakdown cost and mentannce but the best advice is to get is when you accepted they give access to the business owner who is in the program and ask question from their experience the good and the bads points but you don't a access until you are in the position of what are they asking thas the think but I will to hear in in the comment section other experience who is working with them as AFP program.
Yes we want to hear from the people who have first hand experience to tell us how it really is... Share around the video so perhaps people that are in it will come forward. Thank you
@@AgnesMann My friend did not talk to me in all transparency, but he gave me a glimpse of the prices The truck makes a profit of 25,000 euros per month before deducting taxes, driver rent and gas, and I am now thinking of making a transport manager license
Amazon play book . You buy the trucks when there expensive they have 48k down payment. They can write off vehicles ect against tax when the economy crash’s you loose the lorries and your 48k they buy them for Massive discount as there will be plenty unemployment drivers hire them for minimum wage . Couldn’t imagine owning lorries in this environment not one incentive to go solo . Drive them if loose your job or on 3 days a week claim rest off dole . And this recession is going to be rough .
Ummm... that's not at all how the AFP program works. Amazon pays for every schedule, even if they cancel the load. They lease the trucks They pay performance bonus. They pay for fuel. Not sure what yall are talking about
Hi Mr Greg Gidney.I have know few people who went with Amazon AFP and not so happy as they are stuck. Too much headache for little money. We are giving people our opinion. I don’t think AFP is worth the hassle. I do also agree on your points, drop in performance affects your contract and anyone looking to take 10 trucks with Amazon and working 7days managing 10 to 15 drivers is better of getting work through agencies and work as driver. Your points and taken on board and we will look in AFP again and do another updated video. Thank you 🙏
I really appreciate the honest opinion on the blind risk and the fact that amazon doesn't want to take any risk associated with ruining a truck company. Any ways amazon does provide maintenance cost ,fuel and toll for AFPs. But regarding the money deposit not sure what they do with it incase you decide to leave the program if it didn't work for you
I’m curious to see from people in the US who came into this knowing some giving about business and HR but not transport directly. They seem sincere I just don’t think a lot of what they’re saying lines up with US market
@@isacisac2828 yes and I cannot see how someone just jump into this programme as if it was an easy and Fantastic opportunity to grab. Anyways let’s spread the message so people don’t get burnt. Thank you 🙏
Not sure what your question actually asks... When you sign up to AFP, you are responsible as a business owner to hire your own drivers... You can drive yourself too, but not for Amazon, but for your own company which contracts out to Amazon... I hope this clears it but let me know if still not sure...
Would not touch Amazon there rates are shocking work for Dutch firms fantastic payers plenty of work and I run mine day and night double bubble running average £2.30 per mile
That’s good that you have regular consistent work. £2,30 mile isn’t great rate though to be honest. But if it works for you and you manage to make money with it that’s all it matters
@@AgnesMann isn’t a great rate, majority of companies are paying 1.40-1.70 on an average week for the mileage and Amazon probably less I wouldn’t even send my wagon out for less than 500 a day
@@reecew2503 ok I was just comparing this to what we charge per mile. But it’s all about what works for you. As long as you are making money that important Right. Thank you for your comment
With Amazon, they pick their favourites!! So if your face doesn’t fit, you won’t make money. Over Christmas I had some very good runs that were earning me four digits per run. Until I expressed my beliefs (as a Christian….signed an email have a blessed day ..) AND/OR they found I was African, my runs got taken away. At first they would cancel when I was halfway up the M1 to pick up the load (the cancellation fee obviously never covered the fuel I had used up to that point )! At the moment there’s no money to be made at Amazon and the fact that they are a prejudiced bunch!
@@AgnesMann hi first of all, I wanted to appreciate you guys for doing the video and speaking the truth. I’m based in the south and I get my jobs from local customers who I have known from the days as a multi drop driver. It wasn’t easy in January and February but because Amazon was really good in November and December, I survived! I hope that you are ok now. Thanks
But if you think of it from the business perspective it’s not a lot of money for 24/7 responsibility. You worry about everything from the minute you wake up to the minute before you wake up. It’s not just 9-5 job where after clocking out you relax. When truck breakdown- you must arrange it to be fixed and call the customer to tell them and either cancel the job (loss of money, and reputation) or arrange subcontractors to do it (if they are available). Yes the money is better but many people fail because they can’t cope with the pressure. Hope that helps you see the difference. Thanks 🙏🏻
I don’t think the robot will entirely replace humans but everyone is looking into automations and how we can work smarter rather than harder. Even with self driving vehicles the lorries will never be left unattended- gov will never allow it
@@AgnesMann no I've experienced it. The robots control the human on a time management system. Its not very nice. You end up with 4 managers spending an hour asking where you lost a minute. 5 man hours to audit 1 minute!
Too Honest or naïve creating a great enemy Good info,but watch your back guys. My only question is Are the £60,000-£200.000 per truck per year or All the 10 trucks per year?
It should be illegal for Amazon to hire AFP where Amazon provide trucks and trailers and loads because that's more like employee not contractors and these drivers should be of Amazon and join union but Amazon playing games keeping drivers worker of contractors and not Amazon
Amazon has done massive damage to Transport industry. Now amazon is moving goods for other business too at very low rates. Transport Industry will be in massive trouble in years to come
Amazon is destroying small and big businesses. European government should intervene. UK AMAZON are paying around £1.50 to £2 per mile of class one. it's a joke
I like these two. I’ve had my licence for C1 for 12 years. Of which 5 years not driving as was in army. Literally had to teach myself how to drive 😂 when I left. Anyway these two are very professional, informative and likeable people. They also have a couple of very reliable units. VOLVO FH16. They are by far some of if not the most reliable trucks on the road. Great discounts on 3-5 year old ones too. Im thinking of becoming an owner operator. Running alongside my clothing business. So im learning the ropes and the dos and donts. Anyone reading this. Im not rich, I have a family 3 kids and a wife. Own a home and have cars that are decent. Meaning I have a lot of outgoings. But I still make my dreams come true. You can do the same. Never ever ever let anyone say you can’t do something. Like my dad did. Now look. Keep working hard and anything is possible I promise you. Thanks.
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Probably the best solution would be to find a person who will arrange the job from the freight exchange. And as a business owner, you have to get behind the wheel.
Looking at the rates in the market, you could get 130 miles, £ 600 for a route. around £ 90 costs you fuel one way. Of course, you have to remember about the depreciation of the truck and fixed costs such as payment, leasing, insurance, etc. And if you don't have to come home and you can come home after e.g. five days, you can make a really nice coin.
I'm just talking about one truck. You have to have a nice job to hire people.
All the best for a You
Thank you for your input
Are you using HX or managed to secure some good contract?
100% agree with u I’m an od “owner driver” in the aggregate industry yes on paper we earn a “lot” of money but what people tend to forget is the running of a truck fuel tyres 6 weekly inspections everyone forgets this thanks for the informative vid thanks guys!
Nice information.
I love your channel and your honesty.
The long and short of it is to get your own customers and customers that pay on time.
Amazon not rich by giving out money to their employees or contractors, they will squeeze the smaller firms as much as legally possible.
There's plenty of work out there for fools who are willing to work for free.
That was exactly the point we were making. Thank you for lovely comment. Are you in the business too?
@@AgnesMann Yes I'm an owner driver and I came close to signing up with Amazon but after reading the small print I decided it wasn't for me due to the amount of liability my company had to put up with compared to what amazon was willing to take.
Now I just work with smaller companies, at least with them when there's any problems you speak directly to the owners and get things solved.
@@Beksization good you managed to sway away before signing into it. Do you know anyone that had gone down afp route and if so how well they are doing ?
@@AgnesMann No one the afp side but I know a few on rhe relay side of things and those guys were persuaded to buy 2nd and 3rd trucks by Amazon only whe. things were going well but come January and February they lost their drivers due to lack of loads from Amazon and ended up with trucks without any work or drivers.
I keep telling people that sometimes we shouldn't allow the good times (peak season) mash up our judgment when making these business decisions. Always work on the basis of worse case scenario especially if money is tight. Don't go for a 2nd and 3rd truck if you don't have established clients.
Thank you for your you honesty assessment. I was so close to sign for this program but now am having to re think 💭
Thank you. It would be good to get to speak to someone that had done afp or still doing it to have first hand opinion. From far it doesn’t look that attractive to us yet only those that’s done it will know for sure
It is extremely difficult to find honest information about this program, I currently train AFP drivers and I was considering signing up for this. thank you for the information you may have saved me a lot of stress.
Glad it was helpful!
A thousand thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge, priceless information. High Quality videos you are doing guys, thanks.
Our pleasure! Do you know anyone who does AFP?
You can help us grow by sharing the video further to those that might need to see it too.
Thank you
@@AgnesMann No I don't, but I tried to do it but came to the same conclusion that you came to, so it is a very high risk business to do.
Thanks,
finally you allow this gentleman to talk. Please keep like that 🌹
Great subject. Thanks for sharing your experience and opinion 🥂🤗
Thank you, I do have a lot to say too, hopefully valuable enough to be listened to...
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Thank you Agnes/Jash, thus what they done me, i book 2-3 jobs, at times overlap a bit so i can make some money & then they don't like it, i have to work nights and them that, they knock me rating down 59%, you got me if you have any sub-jobs ✌
That’s on relay not afp righty?
@@AgnesMann yes thus on relay spot jobs.
Hay guys thanks for the info. I have 3 trucks that deliver fuel.
I net a lot more than 120,000
Iam in California.nothing that Amazon offers makes any real money that’s how bezo is wealthy
I guess it’s an even better business up in started to what it is in the UK. Here the competition is huge and small businesses cut prices down which is not a good thing. Thanks for sharing with us and hope to see you visit the channel again
Thank you for sharing.
Another great video guys ,keep up the good work ,shame the industry has gone quiet just as I want to purchase my first truck ,I maybe wrong as I know there's less opportunity for work in a rigid but I can't help thinking local rigid work is the best way to build a customer base and get direct work ,I currently do class 1 general haulage and it seems like you find a job on a platform like hx from one of the big companies that can't do it that day and once you have done that job you start looking for your next one and never really being able to build the business but just rely on online platforms .....anyway great advice and that your always offering to help others wanting to go into the industry
this might be a good idea to built the customer base this way. the work is really quiet to the point that we are thinking of actually downgrading so to minimise the cost. Hopefully it will pick up real soon. How long you have been doing class 1?
Downgrading ?...you mean only run one truck for a while ?......that would be a shame .you say your in mk maybe try traction work for local companies like k and k as there in Milton Keynes. IV had my class 1 licence for 7 years but only been driving them for one year .it just seems very hard to get direct customers for class 1 work so when you get the jobs online ,everyone else has already taken there cut of the money and then rates are not so good
Have a look at the aggregate industries mate there’s good money to be earned ie mixers tippers there’s plenty of work u can make good money like I’ve always said your not going to be a millionaire but you will earn a very good living mate message me u want know more I’ve been an od for 3 year now
You guys are just amazing to honestly share this kind of information. I'm from Thailand and nowadays this kind of program are really famous for parcel delivery company in Thailand. And sadly that most of people who don't have enough knowledge for running their own truck couldn't make it through the next few month! They cannot afford to pay for the installment, fuel and other hiding cost because of the given credit term from the company. The main reason is that they were tempting by the monthly offering figures which make them think that they can cover all the expenses. The current margins for transport business in Thailand are around 10-20%... How about in UK? Is it as low as my country, I wonder...
Thank you for such an amazing video.
You guys just amazing.
Thank you so much. The margins here will vary from co to co but it’s higher than 20% for sure. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed the video
Thank you Agnes your videos are very informative, I am class 1 fuel driver I am planning on starting my journey with 1 artic within 1 year I should have the money for it I am based in Dartford and there's loads of work here on peak times👍
Thank you for the comment and Best of luck! if you need help, please reach out we are here to help. And please don't forget to share the video so more people get inspired to get into this business.
Spot on info , if your thinking about doing this think again .
We have not done AFP ourselves but gathered from the info given, and having the knowladge in the business already this is what we have established
Did you actually try it?
Thanks for the advice.Great job🤙🏾
No problem 👍 Do you know anyone using AFP? If so what is their experiance?
Oh wow, just the video i wanted to see, Hi Agnes and Jash, i have seen your other video about becoming a Transport manager, to help your husband Jash, well i am now planning to do the course , to help my brother too, who is just starting his Amazon AFS program , i also think he will benefit from your experience as we in the UK , whats the best way to contact you ?
HI thank you so much
Please email me on agnes.mumcandoit@gmail.com
Speak soon
Spoke to Amazon about AFP and they said that the trucks would be on lease with Amazon paying the upfront also because its lease hold, the truck maintenance is inclusive of your monthly payment. Surely that way your risk is mitigated...
That is only one aspect of running a transport business. You have many others that they will not tell you how much goes into it. Just think about it- why wouldn’t they just do it on their own- rather than getting others to do it. You get stuck in a contract for a year and if you have no experience or knowledge you might regret getting into it. And those that have experience and knowledge would not touch this program. Just our opinion but it’s your call. Let us know if you do sign up what is your experience
@AgnesMann yes, but in your video you stated that you could be stuck with 10 trucks, you can't, if it doesn't work out you give them back to Amazon and presumably the next victim gets them. They told me this very clearly in the webinar. To clarify, I looked at it (briefly) and moved on, I'm 4th generation in haulage. But I do think you need to be accurate.
@@AgnesMann which is the best platform to operate? Which one are u?. Thanks in advance
Hi
I saw your video and most of what you said is true. I am an AFP since past 9 months. I am happy to share my experience anonymously due to NDA with the retailer. But I think it is important that anyone signing up new is fully aware of what they are heading into.
Oh my sorry to hear you fell into the trap. I know they use their selling techniques to get people in. It would be difficult to do the interview without disclosing your face or voice but I’ll think of it. Can you send me an email to Agnes.mann@hotmail.com and we will arrange something as this is a story to be told.
@@AgnesMann Voice is fine. I don't mind.
@@TheVimalpandey please send me an email so we can arrange this
It would be very interesting to hear the experience first hand.
Thank you for reaching out
@@AgnesMann Heloo, where can we see this video?is it out yet?
@@ionelmantea7793 hi, what video are you refering?
Please clarify someting for me, you havent tried this program, you just listen to Webinars and you came to the conclusion thats not worth it? Amazon says that they pay for drivers,lorries, insurance, plus on top they look like they dont what you to fail.All you have to do....is to find drivers, they also pay maximum for the insurance , maximum for the drivers, so your first year should go "easy", they assure you wont fail,im not talking the 10 trucks, just 5.
Could you clarify my confusion?Im seeing this project just now, and im just trying to see it as bad or good.
Many thanks
Yes, I did not try it my self, but running this business we know first hand hoe it is to run it. And they make it all look and sound so goo (too good to be true)
But I would not like to discourage you and would love to hear your experience if you do go ahead. I hope you are going to find a success with Amazon. Keep in touch
@@AgnesMann This program is very similar with DSP 2.0, where amazon doesnt supply maintance on the van, but they do with freight, Freight is the first hand in managing loads where the dsp program helps them get to customers, flex is getting the little dayli excess that dsp cant manage,,,,therefore the freight has the advantage? Im not sure why this discouragement ? am i not seing something? Or "to good to be true "?
well, look at the turnover vs profit figures that AFP states. If you think you want to have responsibility of running a business and end up with 60k a year profit and that's satisfy you, go ahead. We did not think this is a satisfactory figure (well less to what we make independently with smaller turnover, so clearly their costs are much higher as everything is outsourced from Amazon...) you need to make a decision for yourself, but as for us we would not step into this arrangement.
Guys a very honest review and I respect that well done!
thank you so much. that's great
this is great info. Guys do you have any video on container shipping?
Thank you! Not yet, we can however put something together so stay tuned for this coming up soon.
Thanks for the video guys
Thanks for watching!
Heyy i just want to say keep doing this
Its helpful for alot pf people this information u r sharing can help alot of people i just want to show my love nd wnt u to know that we appreciate your honesty
Cheers❤️
Thank you so much. Is there any particular questions you would like us to cover in next video?
@@AgnesMann i already subscribed and looking forward to gain some knowledge about this,you have Instagram account ? Where we can ask questions about this business
Let me know about that please
@@skymarshall7379 yes it’s called agnes_mumcandoit. Dm me
What do you think about minivan with tent? Up to 5 or 7 ton?? Ford transit man ıveco something like that :) I started to belive that more clean money then truck?
Yes there is more money on trucks than vans for sure.
Great video by the way guys, transport is not very easy, large corporation companies like Amazon will only workout for them little companies will just get robbed. Supermarkets possible best around for work or some of the smaller parcel companies could be good, container is if good rates, most importantly need good driver's because if have them and you pay well a good driver in return will look after you and your business.
Very true! Only issue we have at the moment is actually getting the jobs. CX pays too little, amazon relay even worse. Privately job is not guaranteed so we have too many quiet days lately. Hopefully the market will improve. DO you know anyone doing AFP? If now please share the video around so hopefully Amazon or people that work for them will come forward to tell us more... Thank you
@@AgnesMann Hi sorry don't anyone doing it, try contacting FedEx that's all lite loads, transport is tough business now your init just keep pushing on. Cx what's that been like. I will keep my ears open so anything useful I will send over to you both.
@@DannyT636 thank you so much much appreciated
Just look at amazon employees to get know they are a high pressure operation. Its like an airline you'll need to run 24/7 with multiple drivers on shift to keep a single vehicle running non stop at minimum cost and wage.
Yes that’s correct. Are you an owner operator ?
Hi guys, I'm going to set up my own company at some point this but not sure yet what type of vehicle I wanna start with. Would you be able to have a look for me if there is any work for 18t or 26t rigid in North wales on courier exchange platform? Thanks
There might be jobs available now, but not available later, so no point basing your opinion on that. The market changes daily and therefore it is hard to know what will happen. I am sure you will be able to find work once you're ready. Hope this helps and that you for watching
Sebastian, I have a 26t rigid and there are always loads available on the Haulage Exchange for rigids (don't know about Amazon though ?)
It depends on the area and the type of work you are taking. Currently there is more work for rigid over the 44t. Which area are you operating in
hello Nice, i understood better, but you did not dwell on operators who do not have trucks? I want to apply with amazon providing the trucks. I didn't really understand amazon relay
They will provide you with the trucks on lease basis. Ie you lease from them. But you must apply for o licence for the authorisation of min 5 trucks. Hope that makes Sense
Really useful information! Do you know if there is an age limit for tucks on Amazon Relay as well?
No such thing was mentioned so you’d need to enquire with them
Hi. In the lorry business does the price per job matter on what your transporting? Ie. Tanker or container? Cheers
Some customers are more price sensitive than others but everyone here is to make money so you need to be careful how much you charge per job whatever that is that you’re transporting Hope that answers your questions but let me know as I’m not sure I understand your question 100%
I am a former DSP. You were absolutely right. There were many hidden costs with the fleet and hiring costs which Amazon did not disclosed. Amazon will exercise their rights to give or take business from you.
Wow that’s really bad. Thank you for sharing. I hope you didn’t loose out massively on the Amazon deal. What did you get into after ?
Thanks but not surprised tbh I'm thinking of going it alone and information like this is gold
Go for it!
Love your content ❤️
Thank you. First time watching? Let me know if there are any topics you’d like me to cover
Very informative ..Thanks a lot !
So nice of you
Thanks great informative video
Thanks for watching. Are you in AFP programme or do you know anyone that is? We want to hear people with first hand experience
@@AgnesMann no I’m just starting to get my HGV license I only have the practical, side left. Once I get my license maybe I could get a job offer as a driver from you guys as I live in Heathrow area.
@@mohamedadan5842 sure keep in touch and we can discuss when you’ve had passed the practical. Good luck and thank you for watching
@@mohamedadan5842 good luck with your practical and hope to hear soon from you. Thank you
@@AgnesMann thank you 🙏🏾 and will be in contact again
The 48.5k is there for the O licence requirement of 10 trucks so should not be involved in any cost of running the business, it just has to sit there in the bank as a requirement for the Traffic Commissioner.
I am in the process of applying for the AFP program and am now having second thoughts. I am at the interview stage which is next week.
It's concerning that you mention the ratings are affected for things out of your control like traffic and accidents.
The pressure is on us as company owners to manage the drivers which they insist is there main concern, driver sickness and unreliability will cause major issues, as who goes out when something comes up last minute, I can drive myself to cover one driver but anymore than that and they'll be trucks just sitting there, I also heard you get fined for missed runs.
Some of these concerns would be the same for running any company, though the profit against the time and effort to run this AFP seems too less, they've dangled a carrot by stating you can earn upto £200k which would be amazing, realistically it seems that would only be achieved if all the drivers turned up each day and on time to every pickup and drop off.
Plus side is Amazon offer a lot of support which as a new comer to this industry maybe is a bonus.
A lot to think about and ponder.....
Thank you for your comment and I do sincerely hope it works out for you (in the end they do claim to have people with successful stories so maybe yours will be one of them too)
Please keep us posted on how are you getting one and what you have decided to do.
Wishing you all the best
How you are getting on with AFP mate? May I have a chat with you outside RUclips if you don't mind please?
@@Rammores Hi mate I had an interview and I asked alot of questions about what costs are involved if a person decided to leave, the lady wasn’t being very clear but mentioned you would lose the setup costs which can vary estimated £26k.
The uncertainty and mention of a rating system which affects how much you get paid is off putting for me.
Due to these reasons I decided not to pursue it.
Hello are an amazone fright partner right now .we want to become an amaone fright partner and i want to ask you somthing
Go ahead
I wonder if this video and the information apply to US.
It applies to the UK only. Thank you
I had trucking company alot of experience but Amazon chose AFP partners who had no exp no knowledge but in their email they tell you this competitive area and they chose not go with my candidacy etc. They want immature no exp people. And they are so corrupt. My friend was well educated in finance and business they rejected him as well .
I don't understand why people joining AFP. Its like shooting in your own feet. AFP is doing massive damage to the transport industry and people not seeing this
Nice job guys 💪
Thanks. Are you too in business
I was in the webinar and I did ask some question based on my calculations if you can earn £100 per truck after all the expenses will be great but if you dont than is not worth the hadeck and they said is everything is included in the price when you hire for them the trucks as breakdown cost and mentannce but the best advice is to get is when you accepted they give access to the business owner who is in the program and ask question from their experience the good and the bads points but you don't a access until you are in the position of what are they asking thas the think but I will to hear in in the comment section other experience who is working with them as AFP program.
Yes we want to hear from the people who have first hand experience to tell us how it really is... Share around the video so perhaps people that are in it will come forward.
Thank you
Thank you for the honest information!
Most welcome. Glad you found it useful. Which part of the world are you watching form
I'm impressed well done Jash.
Thank you. Are you too in the same business
We used to work at the same company DHL at Heathrow Consolidation Centre😉.
@@tomcikjaskolka4833 what is your name? Jash cannot recognise by the name of your profile
Where can I get truck for rent ?
Is any Good company in uk ?
Yes Rider for starters just Google it. We don’t rent trucks so can’t comment which is best
I am a truck driver who has been working with Amazon for two years in Germany and my friend owns 13 trucks that work for Amazon
ok. does he work in AFP program? How is his experience. Is he making some profits after all?
@@AgnesMann
My friend did not talk to me in all transparency, but he gave me a glimpse of the prices The truck makes a profit of 25,000 euros per month before deducting taxes, driver rent and gas, and I am now thinking of making a transport manager license
@@obadasamra3411 ok if you think this is the thing you want to do go for it but I think TM has a lot of responsibility and the reward is not good
Amazon play book . You buy the trucks when there expensive they have 48k down payment. They can write off vehicles ect against tax when the economy crash’s you loose the lorries and your 48k they buy them for Massive discount as there will be plenty unemployment drivers hire them for minimum wage . Couldn’t imagine owning lorries in this environment not one incentive to go solo . Drive them if loose your job or on 3 days a week claim rest off dole . And this recession is going to be rough .
Recession is indeed coming and it will be bad! Let's hope we all survive! Thanks for commenting
Ummm... that's not at all how the AFP program works.
Amazon pays for every schedule, even if they cancel the load.
They lease the trucks
They pay performance bonus.
They pay for fuel.
Not sure what yall are talking about
Are you with AFP currently?
Hi Mr Greg Gidney.I have know few people who went with Amazon AFP and not so happy as they are stuck. Too much headache for little money. We are giving people our opinion. I don’t think AFP is worth the hassle. I do also agree on your points, drop in performance affects your contract and anyone looking to take 10 trucks with Amazon and working 7days managing 10 to 15 drivers is better of getting work through agencies and work as driver. Your points and taken on board and we will look in AFP again and do another updated video. Thank you 🙏
I really appreciate the honest opinion on the blind risk and the fact that amazon doesn't want to take any risk associated with ruining a truck company. Any ways amazon does provide maintenance cost ,fuel and toll for AFPs. But regarding the money deposit not sure what they do with it incase you decide to leave the program if it didn't work for you
Hi I am in a similar situation as your husband. I have a business india that can help your husband. How can I get in touch with him
you can reach out on jashmann71@gmail.com
@@AgnesMann sent email thanks
I’m curious to see from people in the US who came into this knowing some giving about business and HR but not transport directly. They seem sincere I just don’t think a lot of what they’re saying lines up with US market
This video was only based on the UK market so can’t really say much about US
If they know it is profitable job Amazon will do it by themself. Their hands are not under stone.
Do you know anyone who has first hand experiance with them? What did they think?? Thank you
@@AgnesMann I do not anyone but I spoke to Amazon freight partner on seminar. In a short time you have make 10 truck. At least 15 to 20 driver.
@@isacisac2828 yes and I cannot see how someone just jump into this programme as if it was an easy and Fantastic opportunity to grab. Anyways let’s spread the message so people don’t get burnt. Thank you 🙏
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My son completed 12 th commerce in India
Plan to do Acca , its right decisions to acca is it worth how much scope and recognition .
Yes acca is a solid base for many accounts and finance opportunities. I’d say he’s making the right decision
@@AgnesMann mam your valuable suggestion help me is it demand of acca in India and what are other professional courses along with acca can better
Hi Agnes and Josh, what’s the best way to contact with you, just want to start my business, I need to have a chat with you about it, I’m from London.
hi, you can contact us via Jashmann71@gmail.com
Do you have to drive for Amazon through A company that partners with them or do they hire drivers straight through Amazon.
Not sure what your question actually asks...
When you sign up to AFP, you are responsible as a business owner to hire your own drivers... You can drive yourself too, but not for Amazon, but for your own company which contracts out to Amazon... I hope this clears it but let me know if still not sure...
Would not touch Amazon there rates are shocking work for Dutch firms fantastic payers plenty of work and I run mine day and night double bubble running average £2.30 per mile
That’s good that you have regular consistent work. £2,30 mile isn’t great rate though to be honest. But if it works for you and you manage to make money with it that’s all it matters
@@AgnesMann isn’t a great rate, majority of companies are paying 1.40-1.70 on an average week for the mileage and Amazon probably less I wouldn’t even send my wagon out for less than 500 a day
@@reecew2503 ok I was just comparing this to what we charge per mile. But it’s all about what works for you. As long as you are making money that important Right. Thank you for your comment
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Hi I'm big fan of u, can I get any jobs 10 yearworking experience in logistics management KSA ,. I'm MBA graduate
Yes you can, where do you live?
It’s not Amazon that insists you employ drivers on A PAYE basis, it’s HMRC that say this.
Yes
With Amazon, they pick their favourites!!
So if your face doesn’t fit, you won’t make money.
Over Christmas I had some very good runs that were earning me four digits per run.
Until I expressed my beliefs (as a Christian….signed an email have a blessed day ..) AND/OR they found I was African, my runs got taken away. At first they would cancel when I was halfway up the M1 to pick up the load (the cancellation fee obviously never covered the fuel I had used up to that point )!
At the moment there’s no money to be made at Amazon and the fact that they are a prejudiced bunch!
We seem to be seeing the same patterns here and many people say the same thing. Where do you get your jobs from now if you don't mind me asking?
@@AgnesMann hi first of all, I wanted to appreciate you guys for doing the video and speaking the truth.
I’m based in the south and I get my jobs from local customers who I have known from the days as a multi drop driver.
It wasn’t easy in January and February but because Amazon was really good in November and December, I survived!
I hope that you are ok now.
Thanks
Jesus that sounds worse then Northern Ireland. Shower of 🤬🤬🤬🤣
are you still at this business
No, We have taken a break and decided to travel for two years.
45K a year 😂 I’ve been driving 12 year class 1 and never got near that salary
But if you think of it from the business perspective it’s not a lot of money for 24/7 responsibility. You worry about everything from the minute you wake up to the minute before you wake up. It’s not just 9-5 job where after clocking out you relax. When truck breakdown- you must arrange it to be fixed and call the customer to tell them and either cancel the job (loss of money, and reputation) or arrange subcontractors to do it (if they are available). Yes the money is better but many people fail because they can’t cope with the pressure. Hope that helps you see the difference. Thanks 🙏🏻
Even amazon is cutting back on employees. Robots everywhere. They'll be looking for self driving vehicles already.
I don’t think the robot will entirely replace humans but everyone is looking into automations and how we can work smarter rather than harder. Even with self driving vehicles the lorries will never be left unattended- gov will never allow it
@@AgnesMann no I've experienced it. The robots control the human on a time management system. Its not very nice. You end up with 4 managers spending an hour asking where you lost a minute. 5 man hours to audit 1 minute!
Too Honest or naïve creating a great enemy
Good info,but watch your back guys.
My only question is
Are the £60,000-£200.000 per truck per year or All the 10 trucks per year?
Not sure how to read the first sentence. The 60-200k is for 10 trucks. Thank you for the comment
It should be illegal for Amazon to hire AFP where Amazon provide trucks and trailers and loads because that's more like employee not contractors and these drivers should be of Amazon and join union but Amazon playing games keeping drivers worker of contractors and not Amazon
Amazon has done massive damage to Transport industry. Now amazon is moving goods for other business too at very low rates. Transport Industry will be in massive trouble in years to come
I have a India drivering licence
good. In the UK you need UK driving licence/ European would do too
Hello nice to meet you is Rajkumar from India my job is driving India I am driver and adjusting give me your company driving job
Hello Raj. We do not need drivers at the moment thank e
Thanks , please punjabi ch banao video 😊
Ok we try soon thank you
Really crogs socks and tea 😂😂😂😂😂😂
what do you mean?
Amazon are a joke to sub contract to wouldn’t think it would be better for them personally
Amazon is destroying small and big businesses. European government should intervene. UK AMAZON are paying around £1.50 to £2 per mile of class one. it's a joke
I am 9 years experience from drive
Awesome we will be in touch when we get a position
My friend in corona time bought 5 trucks for Amazon because so busy and good money but now he continues loss and loss and finally sell all😂
That’s aweful that people’s dream gets shuttered by Amazon. Sorry to hear and hope he’d managed to get into other business
Hlo sir,mam How can i contact with you i want to start my business i am from leicester,Uk
Please email me on Agnes.mann@hotmail.com
Hi guys, How can I contact with you, just want to start my business, I need to have a chat with you about it, I’m from London.
Please reach out on Agnes.mann@hotmail.com. I’ll send you more details about the consultation
I like these two. I’ve had my licence for C1 for 12 years. Of which 5 years not driving as was in army. Literally had to teach myself how to drive 😂 when I left.
Anyway these two are very professional, informative and likeable people. They also have a couple of very reliable units. VOLVO FH16. They are by far some of if not the most reliable trucks on the road. Great discounts on 3-5 year old ones too. Im thinking of becoming an owner operator. Running alongside my clothing business. So im learning the ropes and the dos and donts. Anyone reading this. Im not rich, I have a family 3 kids and a wife. Own a home and have cars that are decent. Meaning I have a lot of outgoings. But I still make my dreams come true. You can do the same. Never ever ever let anyone say you can’t do something. Like my dad did. Now look. Keep working hard and anything is possible I promise you. Thanks.
Think you for kind words. good luck and all the best😊💐💐🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hloo, god bless u , I just need to talk with your husband, please provide me his number need to gather some information related to trucks
Hi. Please email me on Agnes.mann@hotmail.com
Hi guys, How can I contact with you, just want to start my business, I need to have a chat with you about it, I’m from London.
hi, you can contact us on Jashmann71@gmail.com We can also help with funds or outside investments depending on your business and investors. Jashmann71@gmai.com