It doesn’t seem like you can ever be honest or nuanced when it comes to any issue occurring under Labor. If any of this was happening under a liberal government you would be tearing them to shreds
I'm just mad about him calling out David Pocock. If Jordies is trying to push me away from him, he's oblu pushing me away from himself and his messages Labor are doing a great job, though
@@dylanlewis3668 The HAFF was good, the IR bill was good, the PBS changes are incredible, renewable investment is at an all-time high, to name a few, all the while managing the finances well and bringing inflation down. Honestly the government has been extremely competent. Could they go further in some areas? Sure. But it's hard to say they haven't done a good job.
Appreciate the australia. society and politics talk in this ep, that's the main reason I listen, to get your different views on those bits and bops. Last few episodes have been a bit all over the place.
Hey guys, on the point about people being able to start a business and not be punished too badly about it, keep in mind that the reason people go bankrupt/insolvent in Australia is because directors accumulate too much debt for the business to handle. That's what makes them insolvent to begin, and they'll usually be banned from being a director/running a business for a few years like Ali said. I've worked at an accounting firm that deals with these situations and winds them up, and the typical reason for why they go insolvent is because they ran up too much debt when they should've known to wind up the business when their debts were too out of control. Some even dig themselves into a deeper hole than they were before and incur even more debt while knowing that they're running insolvently, which attracts criminal penalties. This is usually because the people running the businesses get too big a head for their own good and should be calling it quits for the sake of their employees. So for those reasons it's not unreasonable that people get disqualified from running a business for a few years, because if they don't get punished then there'd be nothing stopping them from starting another business and running that into the ground.
Government crooks bankrupt bussinesses beeh happing since socalist dickhead bob hawke 1987 . There less franchise & independant because of government greed 35 yrs ! More taxes & regulations is theft
Idk where Ali came up with that lowest common denominator thing. A lot of older Australians are illiterate. Like… severely illiterate. You only have to work in the trades for 1 week to see it. I think it’s something like 1/3 of boomers are illiterate but I might be misremembering that exact figure. Maybe it’s 1/3 financially illiterate, but about 12% functionally illiterate.
I used to moonlight at a tafe helping with reading/writing courses and it truely blew me away how many people (accross all age groups over 18yo) couldn't functionally read or write. Its actually scary.
@@markcoroneos7811 Yeah there’s definitely some enormous gaps in our education system. Think a lot of it might be to do with home/familial environment though. Can’t forget we do have many lineages literally descended from petty thief peasants who would have never known the first thing about literacy. Plenty of those families, over time, would have remained fairly insulated from societal growth by ‘sticking to their own kind’ and never really caught up. Generationally uneducated.
@@TransientNeurotic yeah family dynamics play a part, if there is no "culture" (so to speak) of educational aspirations in the family then that will definatly influence how people approach learning. In terms of the education system; yeah its hard to cater to all students. Current classroom loads dont allow for teachers to be able to see to every child and make sure theyre caught up. I also believe that its unreasonable to expect that of teachers though. The individual needs to be responsible for their own learning aswell.
@@markcoroneos7811 idk about kids being much responsible for their learning, except maybe after year 10. A big part of education is giving guidance. They haven’t lived life out yet, they don’t have the learned perspective of the long term value of education, how it affects life trajectory and options. Even year 12 students are kinda just winging it and hoping their interests are true to the career they think they’ll want. Kids are just a reflection of how they’ve been taught to approach life. If they haven’t been shown a great way to approach life, how are they to know what being responsible is
The problem with 'being prepared' for the high court ruling is that HCA did an oral decision. Drafting a bill for redundancy could easily have been a big waste of time and money when you can't compare the high courts reasons and see whether it's constitutional.
My wife and I saved up and bought our first house in our early 20's (2015). It was a modest 400sqm, 3 bed, 1 bath which we sold 7 years later to buy a 750sqm, 4 bed, 2 bath which we now own more than half of in our early 30's. Besides having children, investing in housing was the best life decision I've made. Not to say that investing in a business is inferior - in some cases it's much better. Ali described property as a "dead asset", but a failed business is clearly worse and takes away the investment that would otherwise be used as a house deposit. I agree with you on taking away red tape / lowering the barrier to entry would be a good start to incentivize business investment. And Ali makes good points that we ought not prop up business that would otherwise fail.
66-70% of Australians have some form of home ownership (paid off, mortgage, rentvest). People have money particularly those who are double income. It's so hard for a single person on a low income, however 2 people on both a low income is still doable.
Labor should have just blamed it on the Liberals (since technically it's their fault for not addressing it while they were in office) and then said "yeah, we'll let them out in 10 years; that makes it not indefinate lol". What the f is up with Labor steadfastly refusing to hold Dutton and the rest of them to account for absolutely anything?! Is it so it's not too awkward at donor dinners, class solidarity or just spinelessness?
Cause Labor publicly blaming the previous Government gets lambasted in the MSM as them attempting to pass off their own failures. Meanwhile, the same MSM will run with the Coalition blaming Labor for everything. Even when Labor have been in Opposition for almost a decade. Best thing Labor can do is try to get things done and attempt to discuss what they have and/or can do. Even if the MSM won't report the positive aspects of it. Labor has everything stacked against them, and it's only getting even more stacked as time goes on.
Leaving full-time stable government employment in one month to start my own business. Mis is right. It's incredibly difficult to start a small business in Australia. But to bludge the 9-5 APS grind. Easy as
@@coopsnz1 can I go cut down some trees and build a shack somewhere? No? Because I have to be part of society? Then housing is a right. I should be able to live in a house.
@@Optamizm it cost $700000 to build a 3 Bed home because of government greed. It not just land that expensive. Renovating a home more expensive than 2 yrs ago $150000 a new kitchen & bathroom
I see the issues caused by the asylum seekers/high court ruling are directly linked to the failures of our government not just now but a few years ago when the detention centre was put in place. Agreed you can't hold them indefinitely. But both parties did not seem to react at all when the high court was ruling on this. a strong leader wouldve said alright we can't have rapists and criminals etc from other countries walking our streets what are we going to Do? Publicly saying alright opposition come to the table and let's sort this out. That didn't happen. Now the opposition is using this farce and the victims of their own failures as a pedestal to grill the current government. Like wtf!? Are a governing body or just a roadblock against the current government? Also the reason why people are still saying do something about cost of living etc. They aren't seeing any changes in their dollars. Shit is still expensive, most of us haven't seen an increase in our wages so nothing has been done. Essentially that's what it boils down to.
the problem with cost of living relief is the delay between action and results. everything done will bring relief next year, not in a fortnight. but a lot of people misunderstand this and think because they don't see relief here and now nothing is being done.
23:00 Dutton wants an apology because he thinks that he doesn't deserve to be called a pedo protector that doesn't mean he thinks absolutely no one should be called a pedo protector. Double standards are not inherently wrong lmfao. "Putting murderers in prison but letting non murderers walk free is such a double standard omg such rank hypocrisy".
That communism where Australia heading! Austria " Switzerland " china & Singapore are borderline communism. More taxes & regulations never lowered costs of living that socalism not capitalism dumb Jordan
Yes, that's Australia's future. The government will continue flooding the countries with immigrants and the only way people will be able to survive is living in a shoebox soviet apartment. Progress!
Giving the amount used for the Referendum out as stimulus would in of itself cause further inflation. Used on a Referendum, causes no change to inflation. One also has to remember that at end of the day, this inflationary issue was caused by the Coalition Government and their overlords. The Coalition's covid Jobkeeper stimulus was abused by major companies and corporations. Driving their sucessive profits through the roof, which massively increased inflation. Not to mention the coalition appointed stooge in charge of the RBA kept the cashrate artificially low right up until mid election. Only to rapidly jack it up in short order after Labor won. Fun stuff...sigh...
Is home ownership an aspiration across the entire western world though? In Germany and Switzerland, only 49% and 42% of their respective populations own property, much lower than in Aus (66%). Also, renting, especially long-term renting, is the norm there.
But you have to remember that those countries don't have predatory rent practices and a lot of government owned properties with the added bonus of actually having less space and more people and a social system where they don't force you to work for dole that is below the poverty line.
Why doesn't Labor just tax the rich more to reduce inflation? "Because they'll get booted out" you may say but what's the point of a Labor Gov if they aren't willing to spend any political capital?
Brother the main reason for the Cost of Living Crisis is Corporate Profits from the $143 billion in unpaid wages to workers. Labor is trying to address that (and make wage theft illegal) in the Closing the Loopholes bill, but it is only passed the lower house so far.
@@windwaker0rules. That money has been taken from both full time and causal jobs. Also there has been a rise in the casualisation of The Australian labour force.
You three seem majorly out of touch about a lot of what actually affects the lower/working class people. The idea about adding value to the economy through starting a business was probably the most realistic idea spoken about during this whole pod and it was just shut down.
I mean… comparatively, real wage decline is lower under Labor than it would’ve been under LNP, given Libs would have obviously continued to do nothing about it (except maybe work magic to make sure employers could actually squeeze more money out of staff). Maybe ALP haven’t done enough, but it would’ve been unquestionably worse under LNP. I know it’s not a great deduction, but it’s something worth remembering.
So how do you propose he does that? Cap corporate profits? He’s already gotten 1 billion dollars from Rio Tinto and going after big business to pay their taxes. They want to look into a senate enquiry about the big supermarkets raising prices. He’s giving subsidies to lower your electricity and gas bills. So please explain what it is you want him to do?
@@TransientNeurotic Jordan said wages are up under Labor without adding the part that inflation is up in the same sentence. You cant just keep praising your own side and making excuses for them no matter what. You need to criticise even your own side
@@MarkPrince-gc6lg wages literally are up. Did he say “real wages are up”? Or “wage growth has outstripped inflation?” I don’t recall either statements. There’s a difference between wage growth and real wage growth, you know?
@@evangilchrist981 farmers can't see there cost going up because of government hiden taxes . You notice alchoal & ciggretes prices that government greed
@@drake1896 green communist dickhead blocking trees to be cut down equals less timber! You vote for hell voting labor & green ! Vote indpendant conservative tax alliance or liberal democrats means less taxes & regulations on middle class
I might be able to provide an answer as to why the property prices keen going up in Australia even though inflation is up. Its because buying a house in Australia is now the goal of everyone and thus a status symbol. This means the usual burst of the bubble doesn't happen because the value of property if artificialy propped up by those who continue to buy the property... were in a odd feedback loop (I reckon Jordan would be able to explain better)
It doesn’t seem like you can ever be honest or nuanced when it comes to any issue occurring under Labor. If any of this was happening under a liberal government you would be tearing them to shreds
What was happening?
@drake1896 Commentor is being a Greens sicophant, is what's happening my guess
Waah wahh WeReS OuR rEnT FrEezE???
I'm just mad about him calling out David Pocock. If Jordies is trying to push me away from him, he's oblu pushing me away from himself and his messages
Labor are doing a great job, though
@@shootatsquaregenuine question what exactly do you think they have done or are doing that constitutes doing a good job?
@@dylanlewis3668 The HAFF was good, the IR bill was good, the PBS changes are incredible, renewable investment is at an all-time high, to name a few, all the while managing the finances well and bringing inflation down. Honestly the government has been extremely competent. Could they go further in some areas? Sure. But it's hard to say they haven't done a good job.
Appreciate the australia. society and politics talk in this ep, that's the main reason I listen, to get your different views on those bits and bops.
Last few episodes have been a bit all over the place.
Hey guys, on the point about people being able to start a business and not be punished too badly about it, keep in mind that the reason people go bankrupt/insolvent in Australia is because directors accumulate too much debt for the business to handle. That's what makes them insolvent to begin, and they'll usually be banned from being a director/running a business for a few years like Ali said. I've worked at an accounting firm that deals with these situations and winds them up, and the typical reason for why they go insolvent is because they ran up too much debt when they should've known to wind up the business when their debts were too out of control. Some even dig themselves into a deeper hole than they were before and incur even more debt while knowing that they're running insolvently, which attracts criminal penalties. This is usually because the people running the businesses get too big a head for their own good and should be calling it quits for the sake of their employees. So for those reasons it's not unreasonable that people get disqualified from running a business for a few years, because if they don't get punished then there'd be nothing stopping them from starting another business and running that into the ground.
Agreed! And then there are those that cry being a victim of the system when their business was not viable in the first place.
Government crooks bankrupt bussinesses beeh happing since socalist dickhead bob hawke 1987 . There less franchise & independant because of government greed 35 yrs ! More taxes & regulations is theft
Idk where Ali came up with that lowest common denominator thing.
A lot of older Australians are illiterate. Like… severely illiterate.
You only have to work in the trades for 1 week to see it.
I think it’s something like 1/3 of boomers are illiterate but I might be misremembering that exact figure.
Maybe it’s 1/3 financially illiterate, but about 12% functionally illiterate.
I used to moonlight at a tafe helping with reading/writing courses and it truely blew me away how many people (accross all age groups over 18yo) couldn't functionally read or write. Its actually scary.
@@markcoroneos7811 Yeah there’s definitely some enormous gaps in our education system.
Think a lot of it might be to do with home/familial environment though.
Can’t forget we do have many lineages literally descended from petty thief peasants who would have never known the first thing about literacy. Plenty of those families, over time, would have remained fairly insulated from societal growth by ‘sticking to their own kind’ and never really caught up. Generationally uneducated.
You sure it's not because they're mostly blind anyway?
@@TransientNeurotic yeah family dynamics play a part, if there is no "culture" (so to speak) of educational aspirations in the family then that will definatly influence how people approach learning. In terms of the education system; yeah its hard to cater to all students. Current classroom loads dont allow for teachers to be able to see to every child and make sure theyre caught up. I also believe that its unreasonable to expect that of teachers though. The individual needs to be responsible for their own learning aswell.
@@markcoroneos7811 idk about kids being much responsible for their learning, except maybe after year 10. A big part of education is giving guidance. They haven’t lived life out yet, they don’t have the learned perspective of the long term value of education, how it affects life trajectory and options.
Even year 12 students are kinda just winging it and hoping their interests are true to the career they think they’ll want.
Kids are just a reflection of how they’ve been taught to approach life. If they haven’t been shown a great way to approach life, how are they to know what being responsible is
The problem with 'being prepared' for the high court ruling is that HCA did an oral decision.
Drafting a bill for redundancy could easily have been a big waste of time and money when you can't compare the high courts reasons and see whether it's constitutional.
My wife and I saved up and bought our first house in our early 20's (2015).
It was a modest 400sqm, 3 bed, 1 bath which we sold 7 years later to buy a 750sqm, 4 bed, 2 bath which we now own more than half of in our early 30's.
Besides having children, investing in housing was the best life decision I've made.
Not to say that investing in a business is inferior - in some cases it's much better.
Ali described property as a "dead asset", but a failed business is clearly worse and takes away the investment that would otherwise be used as a house deposit.
I agree with you on taking away red tape / lowering the barrier to entry would be a good start to incentivize business investment.
And Ali makes good points that we ought not prop up business that would otherwise fail.
66-70% of Australians have some form of home ownership (paid off, mortgage, rentvest). People have money particularly those who are double income. It's so hard for a single person on a low income, however 2 people on both a low income is still doable.
First comment, hell yeah. I got nothing constructive to say except that.
absolute legend, totally changing the online conversation
Literal serial killer
Hell yeah
YAY LOVED THE EDITS
Not hot enough and she's aussie 😂😂😂
is it me or is the audio slightly out of sync with the video?
Labor should have just blamed it on the Liberals (since technically it's their fault for not addressing it while they were in office) and then said "yeah, we'll let them out in 10 years; that makes it not indefinate lol".
What the f is up with Labor steadfastly refusing to hold Dutton and the rest of them to account for absolutely anything?! Is it so it's not too awkward at donor dinners, class solidarity or just spinelessness?
Cause Labor publicly blaming the previous Government gets lambasted in the MSM as them attempting to pass off their own failures.
Meanwhile, the same MSM will run with the Coalition blaming Labor for everything. Even when Labor have been in Opposition for almost a decade.
Best thing Labor can do is try to get things done and attempt to discuss what they have and/or can do. Even if the MSM won't report the positive aspects of it.
Labor has everything stacked against them, and it's only getting even more stacked as time goes on.
As a GenX that can't afford to buy a house it breaks my heart to come to the realisation that I never will. 😢
Even if Liberal wins. We still hit SHTF. Labor is much Better. Only if Albo sacrifice something in exchange lie following Keatings Motto.
Running writing is probably slightly more ergonomic… says me with the posture of some vampires butler
I think the scrubs calling Albo a "beta male" are just too dumb to pronounce "better male" correctly.
Leaving full-time stable government employment in one month to start my own business. Mis is right. It's incredibly difficult to start a small business in Australia. But to bludge the 9-5 APS grind. Easy as
It hard to start a franchise in Australia too
Housing is a human right.
No it not
@@coopsnz1 can I go cut down some trees and build a shack somewhere? No? Because I have to be part of society? Then housing is a right. I should be able to live in a house.
@@Optamizm northshore Sydney 40% national Park
@@Optamizm it cost $700000 to build a 3 Bed home because of government greed. It not just land that expensive. Renovating a home more expensive than 2 yrs ago $150000 a new kitchen & bathroom
I see the issues caused by the asylum seekers/high court ruling are directly linked to the failures of our government not just now but a few years ago when the detention centre was put in place. Agreed you can't hold them indefinitely. But both parties did not seem to react at all when the high court was ruling on this. a strong leader wouldve said alright we can't have rapists and criminals etc from other countries walking our streets what are we going to Do? Publicly saying alright opposition come to the table and let's sort this out. That didn't happen. Now the opposition is using this farce and the victims of their own failures as a pedestal to grill the current government. Like wtf!? Are a governing body or just a roadblock against the current government?
Also the reason why people are still saying do something about cost of living etc. They aren't seeing any changes in their dollars. Shit is still expensive, most of us haven't seen an increase in our wages so nothing has been done. Essentially that's what it boils down to.
the problem with cost of living relief is the delay between action and results. everything done will bring relief next year, not in a fortnight. but a lot of people misunderstand this and think because they don't see relief here and now nothing is being done.
23:00 Dutton wants an apology because he thinks that he doesn't deserve to be called a pedo protector that doesn't mean he thinks absolutely no one should be called a pedo protector. Double standards are not inherently wrong lmfao. "Putting murderers in prison but letting non murderers walk free is such a double standard omg such rank hypocrisy".
No no no no no NOOOOO to that “coming up on this episode” bullshit 😡
It’s an engagement tactic
21:22 moment was gold 😂 very misluv to lose an argument with a non-existent group of people that aren't even in the room 😂
So in the future, people like you, me, and everyone we know will be growing up in housing commissions ?
That communism where Australia heading! Austria " Switzerland " china & Singapore are borderline communism. More taxes & regulations never lowered costs of living that socalism not capitalism dumb Jordan
Yes, that's Australia's future. The government will continue flooding the countries with immigrants and the only way people will be able to survive is living in a shoebox soviet apartment. Progress!
Because of the inflation crisis he is unable to provide any cost of living support yet how much was spent on the voice?
Giving the amount used for the Referendum out as stimulus would in of itself cause further inflation.
Used on a Referendum, causes no change to inflation.
One also has to remember that at end of the day, this inflationary issue was caused by the Coalition Government and their overlords.
The Coalition's covid Jobkeeper stimulus was abused by major companies and corporations. Driving their sucessive profits through the roof, which massively increased inflation.
Not to mention the coalition appointed stooge in charge of the RBA kept the cashrate artificially low right up until mid election.
Only to rapidly jack it up in short order after Labor won.
Fun stuff...sigh...
@@soulsurvivor8293if Dutton were in power and doing as little about cost of living as Labor is, you clowns would be tearing them to shreds
why are you still doing this?
Is home ownership an aspiration across the entire western world though? In Germany and Switzerland, only 49% and 42% of their respective populations own property, much lower than in Aus (66%). Also, renting, especially long-term renting, is the norm there.
But you have to remember that those countries don't have predatory rent practices and a lot of government owned properties with the added bonus of actually having less space and more people and a social system where they don't force you to work for dole that is below the poverty line.
Yes they are reduced to living in crappy government apartments
Why doesn't Labor just tax the rich more to reduce inflation?
"Because they'll get booted out" you may say but what's the point of a Labor Gov if they aren't willing to spend any political capital?
Brother the main reason for the Cost of Living Crisis is Corporate Profits from the $143 billion in unpaid wages to workers. Labor is trying to address that (and make wage theft illegal) in the Closing the Loopholes bill, but it is only passed the lower house so far.
@@thepoliticalloser cool for those that have full time jobs, the casual market though its still a dog house.
@@windwaker0rules. That money has been taken from both full time and causal jobs. Also there has been a rise in the casualisation of The Australian labour force.
WHERE’S THE NAPOLEAN REVIEW ?! 😡
jordie podcasts are over sharpen up focus career etc
You three seem majorly out of touch about a lot of what actually affects the lower/working class people. The idea about adding value to the economy through starting a business was probably the most realistic idea spoken about during this whole pod and it was just shut down.
I think you're just an angry loner with too much time on his hands
@@jordanshanks5340 who does the left actually care about these days? Who do their policies actually help?
Wages gone up under Albo. Doesnt count if inflation is higher. Do better Labor
I mean… comparatively, real wage decline is lower under Labor than it would’ve been under LNP, given Libs would have obviously continued to do nothing about it (except maybe work magic to make sure employers could actually squeeze more money out of staff).
Maybe ALP haven’t done enough, but it would’ve been unquestionably worse under LNP.
I know it’s not a great deduction, but it’s something worth remembering.
So how do you propose he does that? Cap corporate profits? He’s already gotten 1 billion dollars from Rio Tinto and going after big business to pay their taxes. They want to look into a senate enquiry about the big supermarkets raising prices. He’s giving subsidies to lower your electricity and gas bills. So please explain what it is you want him to do?
No they haven't regulations & taxes going up
@@TransientNeurotic Jordan said wages are up under Labor without adding the part that inflation is up in the same sentence. You cant just keep praising your own side and making excuses for them no matter what. You need to criticise even your own side
@@MarkPrince-gc6lg wages literally are up. Did he say “real wages are up”? Or “wage growth has outstripped inflation?” I don’t recall either statements.
There’s a difference between wage growth and real wage growth, you know?
Albo just like the rest with his 7 investment property's, dont think he will do shit for the housing market... keep it pumping!!!
Labor introduced logstics excise 10% " freshfood excixe 10% " methane tax 10% why produce & dairy more expensive blame government
Farmers are complaining about the supermarkets not taxes.
@@evangilchrist981 corporation pay farmers better than independant
Grocers do moron
@@evangilchrist981 left government globally introduced fertiliser tax that screwing farmers in Switzerland & Netherlands
@@evangilchrist981 farmers can't see there cost going up because of government hiden taxes . You notice alchoal & ciggretes prices that government greed
@@evangilchrist981revueune not profit it costs you were obviously educated in a left leaning government school
Socalism policy doesnt grow home ownership! You need more capitalism less governments and taxes
House prices increased rapidly due to the capital gains tax being halved
@@drake1896 it cost $700000 to build a 3 bed home! Regulations & taxes gone up
@@drake1896home ownership 😂decline under socalist dickhead bob hawke 1987
@@coopsnz1 that's due in part because of severe worker shortages in that sector due to apprentiships becoming less popular these days
@@drake1896 green communist dickhead blocking trees to be cut down equals less timber! You vote for hell voting labor & green ! Vote indpendant conservative tax alliance or liberal democrats means less taxes & regulations on middle class
I might be able to provide an answer as to why the property prices keen going up in Australia even though inflation is up. Its because buying a house in Australia is now the goal of everyone and thus a status symbol. This means the usual burst of the bubble doesn't happen because the value of property if artificialy propped up by those who continue to buy the property... were in a odd feedback loop (I reckon Jordan would be able to explain better)