Gaming on Projectors - From Retro to HD to 4K HDR / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Try chronicles his adventures in gaming on projectors thus far, examining how well inexpensive older projectors work for 720p content, how 4K and HDR look on a modern projector, and of course, he has to look at classic consoles through the OSSC and RetroTINK 5X. Even if you don't plan to ever use a projector, revelations abound regarding how you might want to consider using various consoles from different generations.
► Episode Chapters
00:00 - Intro
2:21 - CRT Projectors
5:11 - 720p Projectors
12:31 - Super Budget Projector
14:12 - 4K and HDR on BenQ TK700STi
18:22 - Projection Screen Materials
21:56 - Game Modes and Pixel Shifting
25:39 - Native 1080p Revelations
29:31 - DLP Rainbow Effect
32:44 - 3LCD and DLP
39:01 - Light Source Types
40:47 - Conclusion
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These videos are incredibly well produced. This is better than most of what you see on TV/Netflix. Thank you for making such great content!
Did you know: it IS on Amazon prime video!
Definitely agree, it feels like what a PBS program on gaming would be like.
To be fair, both Try and Coury are professional media creators.
Love love love this channel. They are a representation on how the hobby has evolved. Games are no just for kids anymore.
@@Luigi64 I think the videos were taken off Amazon prime unfortunately
Like most MLiG videos, I have zero interest in getting a projector myself yet I will watch and enjoy every second of this.
Ive always wanted one and wished my parents were pack rats with lots of land then I'd still have all my old things. But yeah, I do enjoy seeing others have cool nostalgia rooms.
It was nice when there wasn’t 80 inch flat screens. Having a 100 inch screen was very immersive. Great for single player. It was as good an lcd screen in like 2004 now it’s hard to justify. DLP was the superior hi def tech for gaming in the early days of HD. LCD used to lack contrast, plus until OLED DLP was the realer black vs lcd.
like most MLiG videos, i have zero interest in "try4ce"
@@akalyx I dunno which is which- all I know is the other guy has some irregular motions when he talks. Maybe it’s a bit of a twitch. Just drives me crazy bc I dunno if it’s something or I am imagining it.
Isn’t it strange how a lot of these guys are all in the middle of the south and don’t give clues? No mullets, no rebel flag, no accent. Man the world is changing fast. I wonder what Walker Texas Ranger would be like today. Would he still go do karate on the satanic people? I kinda remember thinking it was unprovoked- hit that’s why it was so funny. Is worshipping a statue enough to get a spin kick in the face? I sure hope so! I hope chuck can still beat down so effortlessly. At 81 that’s pretty amazing, he should have won all our wars what happened? It’s unfortunate. I think he was busy protecting us from things we don’t need to know. He only has one known weakness- his chest hair. Bruce Lee taught us that. Hopefully it’s all gone by now and he is truly invincible. Must have been held by his chest hair in the river styx like Achilles. I am sure he had some by 2. Any real man does. He didn’t go through puberty, puberty obeyed his commands and thus by age 2 his chest hair was very thick and his mullet very Victorious. At age 3 he put the incredible hulk in a submission hold- the hulk stopped turning green!!
AV is my primary profession since the early 2000s and I’ve been building theaters for a living since. So it was great to see a gaming channel dedicate time to this and it’s something I thought about doing a video on as well someday. If you ever want some feedback or ideas feel free to hit me up. As a quick note on DLP, it’s the color wheel due to budget that creates the effect you showed with the fan. This doesn’t exist with 3-chip DLP projectors or DLP based LED projectors that don’t need a color wheel. So you get the best of both worlds. Higher brightness, super fast response without the motion trails of LCD tech, and no rainbow effect. They were more expensive of course, but today you can find them cheap used as well. And you’re right on about native 720p. It’s my favorite method, using a 3chip DLP to play all the older games. It looks fantastic with no processing to upscale to 1080 or 4K. New laser models and sxrd like I use in my own theater are gorgeous for film, but not they or anything else perform like a 3chip DLP for games. It’s actually still the standard today for commercial cinema.
I did notice a big theater in one of your videos a while back. Thats pretty neat.
[Try4ce] Interesting, any particular model you'd recommend for 720p gaming? As you might've guessed, I've become a little bit obsessed with the idea of having perfect displays for 720p for the long haul, but I don't know if the two I have will fit that bill forever (the Marantz is very high quality but it's also a bit dim when viewed in person... I love it though).
@@mylifeingaming Check out the Sim2 C3X lineup. They had both 720p and 1080p models using triple chip DLP and were in the 15-25K premium price category at the time. Now can be found for under 1K easily and produce a pretty stunning image. Replacement lamps are pretty available too. They aren’t designed as gaming projectors per se so it may not be as fast as the BenQ with a game mode, but the image quality is superb. I’d be curious to see how they test with a time sleuth myself. I get a lot of hand me downs so I’m using a bigger commercial unit. Stay away from those unless you need it doubling as a heater in the winter 😅
[Try4ce] Thanks! I'll definitely keep an eye out for anything like that. It's honestly sort of a silly toy-like design, so I might've overlooked it had I stumbled upon it!
@@ShmupJunkie Thanks for these super helpful comments!
Dumb question: how does one calibrate these accurately to sRGB (since that was the color space target for the 720p gaming consoles for developers and the hardware)? Thanks.
In the middle of class, but this is more important.
I’m working but feel the same way!
Good thinking there
You'll probably learn more here if I'm being honest.
Exactly! Work will have to wait
If it’s arts or humanities I saw a guy play wow every single day in my college stats class. Every single day- and he didn’t even have very lvl characters I think he only played in class!
Impeccable timing. I've been looking into getting a projector for the last week 😄
I love it when things work out like this. Good timing indeed.
I've been running a optoma hd142x for a couple years its our living room experience only on my 2nd bulb that lasted over 8000hrs.
The newer projectors bulb life is expected to last 12-14000 hrs
I had an Optoma HD26 which was fantastic for 1080P and 3D content, but upgraded to an Optoma UHD30 which offers 4K HDR (through pixel shifting) and can reach 1080P 240hz when connected to a PC. The rainbow effect was noticable on the former, but it's extremely rare I notice it on the latter. Projectors can't compete with TV's on contrast and blacks, but the screen size is amazing. It puts you right in the game!
I got an Epson powerlite cinema a few years ago its 1080p and has hdmi, vga, s-video, component and composite inputs to accommodate multiple console 👍👍
Fantastic episode! I have a couple cheapo ones I've been meaning to try, this might just be the catalyst
Absolutely love all the hard work and professional coverage you put into these, in-depth, ML&G videos. Well done sir and have a good work week.
Cheers!
CRT Projectors... I'm not dissapointed with that not being covered... because this is the first time I ever learned about it.
They are so heavy you wouldn't believe it. Shipping alone is over $1,000 if you can't find one locally. You need a handful of people just to help you move it a few feet. Maybe 5 people I dont know. I have looked into them but I wouldn't want to buy one unless it wasn't used much because once one of the tubes goes, its done.
@@StarshipGhost That's when the usable tubes can be modified for an ossiliscope.
Having used old or lower end projectors in my basement, the best advice I can give is, "Don't look at the picture too hard. You'll see all the flaws and never enjoy the content."
One potential long term issue with 3LCD is the prisms and/or LCD elements getting out of alignment. This will result in the image having similar focus issues as CRT projectors. Everything in the projector world is a compromise.
I had a 3LCD projector for something like a decade, and in my experience, the convergence doesn't drift over time... it's just never perfect to begin with. I still found it to be a worthwhile tradeoff to avoid the colour brightness/quality issues that come from colour-wheel DLP projectors, at least at the time.
Haven’t had any convergence degradation with my Epson, but the LCD dye has started to degrade, leading to color purity issues. And I’ve gone through quite a few lamps.
I do enjoy it, but is it worth it..? Ehhh....
Hoping that laser projection will save us.
I'm glad that you tested the 720p projectors, I had a feeling finding one would make retro gaming enjoyable on a big screen.
Your family's got a lot of love to share with ya, Marc. It really shows. I might think about getting a marantz...
I've been gaming on a Projector for years, it's amazing. You will never go back, the screen size outweighs everything.
I use my 1080p projector in my backyard during the summer against my clean white garage wall and get a 200+ inch image.
It's fucking amazing.
I just finished Shadow of the Colossus Remake last night this way.
I’m so glad you did this! Just purchased the BenQ tsi700 projector and it’s amazing.
That's not just a youtube video, that's a whole show, incredibly well written and produced and it deserves much more recognition and viewers that it gets!!
Pretty much everything these guys do is on this level too. One of the best retro game sources out there
Thanks for showing such a massive variety of games.
I never thought about playing games on projectors. So kudos to introducing me to the idea Try.
I used projectors for over a decade as my primary television, and the benefits are great for gaming- especially when I used to throw Rock Band parties all the time. The drawbacks eventually turned my old projector into a novelty item- particularly the low amount of light required for good viewing, the high cost of replacing bulbs once/year, plus living somewhere with a large dedicated wall made finding the right place to live extra difficult. In the end, they’re great for parties, and I loved it when I lived alone. Now that I have kids who I share the screen with, and the desire to watch with more light in the room, I’m happy to pull it out for special occasions rather than as my primary TV.
Yep. They’re fun, but you really have to craft your lifestyle around them.
Modern large-screen TVs are just so much better than the options 10-20 years ago, which makes it harder to justify the rather stagnant projector technology.
Best projector review I've watched in ages. Always love your videos.
Duddde you totally nailed showing the rainbow effects, well done!!!
Thank you for making this video, I've been thinking about a projector for a bit now.
Thanks for the video. I love the "mind blow" moment, very nice use of the music and its just really fun.
I love the approach Try takes to this stuff. You referred to the original RT2X as the "working man's" upscaler once, and I think that mindset has taken you through so much. Like this had a real "middle-of-the-road" overview for projectors, very practical, gave your own experience, and then dabbled in what the more upscale solution would be. Just an amazing overview.
Also, I have never once considered a gaming projector, and probably never will, but this is one of the best MLiG vids of the year! Hahaha
[Try4ce] Thanks! I think in the end it ended up being more about my fascination with matching native resolutions than projectors in particular, hah.
Best channel out there. I cry over the intro song all the time
MLiG videos are my favorite gaming videos on RUclips. So we'll produced and likeable guys. Thank you for all the content y'all produce. Love your RGB series and various controller ones. Keep it up!
absolutely love how you explained who this video is for.
So glad to see you guys doing this. Y'all know I've loved my w1070 for gaming for a long time :) I moved to a TV for my gaming setup recently, as I'm upgrading to a projector that's far laggier for movies.
Great video! The dual resolution support blew my mind! Also appreciate that you were able to demonstrate the rainbow effect
Incredible video, got me rethinking everything about my setup
As someone who has played retro consoles using a projector only since 15 years, I can say it is a great experience - especially in multiplayer games (i.e. Bomberman).
I used to have a similar model to the marantz. It was very immersive for single player. Got me through 2 console generations. Ps2, Xbox then 360.
Playing my Dreamcast or ps2 on a epson projector from about 2014/15 looks awesome way beter than my Sony or Samsung lcd tvs. A lot still have av and older style connections.
This is a longshot, but any experience playing retro games on an HT2050a? It has RCA inputs and i'm hoping i can reduce the internal resolution like at 25:25 so image isn't blown out to a disgusting degree like playing N64 on my 4k TV is
Great video!! This has to be one of my favorite gaming channels on RUclips!!
Great video guys! I don’t plan on buying any projectors myself, mostly since I’ve never liked the washed out dim colours you usually get from projectors and I prefer a good old CRT for my retro stuff or a normal LCD for my modern stuff, but the video was still fun to watch and super well made, I love the amount of detail you guys go into in every video.
I used to watch your channel all the time but I don’t watch it as much anymore, I stopped taking the ADHD medication I used to take about a year ago, and since then I’ve had a lot more trouble focusing on detailed videos for long periods of time. I used to be able to watch a full hour long video with complete focus but now I really struggle with that, so I do miss your channel, I’m glad to see your channel is still going though.
Thank you for explaining the rainbow effect! Back in High school I had one teacher who used a projector every class and I swore I would see colors if I moved my head from side to side. Noone else would see it, or maybe I couldnt describe it well enough to them... but I finally know I wasnt insane.
One of the best videos I ever seen in the topic. I ended up buying a InTouch IN1110a after seeing this and got an amazing unit for $100. MSRP was $2,000+
Great episode and deep dive. Thank you for your hard work 💕
Great episode!! Well done.
your content is great and so very well produced! Congratz and thank you for doing it!
Amazing video as always!
Love your videos. They are very nostalgic.
33:08 - when that smooth Astral Chain music kicks in....
Very interesting video on this topic. Love the facts you showed with those decade old beamers.
Good night! That opening shot kills! As always, Try is putting on a clinic in cinematography.
I really like the guerilla handheld shot in this video. Oh and thanks to your hard research, I think I know what to get next. Thanks!
This was so well-produced that I ended up watching it twice and I don't even have an interest in getting a projector lol
Though if I had an empty wall in a dedicated gaming room I'd certainly consider it after watching this. Great job as always.
Lols fwiw so true same ykwis
This is so awesome. I have been wondering about this topic and you covered everything that I wondered about.
Been gaming on a projector for many years - it's great and I have yet to regret anything.
I love these guys ! Great job 👏🏽
Very glad this video exists. I've been gaming on a sub $250 native 1080p projector for about 18 months now, and I can safely recommend it to anyone with the wall space to do so.
Coincidentally, a couple of days ago I was just wondering what it would be like to game on a projector and whether or not it would be worth it. 👍🏿 Keep up the good work guys.
Your editing is masterclass.
I have a BenQ tk800m and highly recommend it, an amazing gaming experience. Huge screen, very good picture that you forget you're actually looking at a projection most of the time it's that good, and low ms input lag to boot.
Excellent video ! As always ! Thanks !
Love to see this video. I've been gaming on projectors for a long time, while also gaming on CRT's in the same room. I think a proper projector can give a great experience for certain games. You won't catch me playing a SHMUP on my projector (I've got a Sega Blast City arcade cab for that). But I'm always playing adventure games, RPG's, some racing games, etc on my newest LG AU810 and it's beautiful and immersive playing on a 125" screen from about 8-9ft away. Projectors are great as long as you shop carefully and know their limitations.
Beautifully edited video.
I'm a phone-watcher for most of RUclips, but I always bust out the big screen for MLiG. Your quality is always top notch!
Just the other day I was thinking of getting a projector to watch movies outside with my kids. Now this video has gotten me more interested. Perfect timing
Came for the scanlines... Leaving satisfied!
Great Episode!
Great vid! Been using projectors for over 20 years!
Thank you for making such great content!
Very detailed and informative video, thank you so much, i enjoyed watching it
ok so i just stumbled on to this video and it's good shit. i appreciate it very much because it answered a lot of fundamental questions about the technology that i didn't know i had or how to ask and you did a stellar job of getting to the damn point about what they do vs what you need. i mean this in the best way possible but i needed it explained to me like a child, slowly with normal words i recognize instead of jargon and best of all, pictures to show us what the hell you're talking about.
i have 3 older projectors that my buddy saved from being thrown away at the school he works for. he actually got a lot of old but perfectly working stuff (15-17in lcds, laser printers with ink, pc's etc) and even put some of it back in use for students. he kept one and gave me 3, all 100% functional including 2 epson hd 720p office projectors (i now assume thanks to this video) with hdmi and every input source made since the year 1587. i've played around with them and they look good but i figured i would eventually need to invest a couple bucks on a screen to do right and find a good place to set up. i always hesitated to get on it because i didn't know if this was actually a viable way to play games anyways or if i was about to throw a hundred bucks at the neat thing my friend found in a dumpster.
Love your material Bro. I don't have all the eq. at home but I wish I could try it. Awesome work!!!
Absolutely loved the video, very informative and interesting.
Maybe one day, I will enter the world of gaming with a projector myself.
What I love about possibly owning a high-end short throw projector is pairing it with a powerful gaming laptop to share with friends on the go.
Which ones?
Great video (as always).
This was great! Reminds me of gaming in the 90's on my dad's projector. Sometimes he would let us hook up the SNES for birthday parties and mario kart 4 player split screen was great! With 100" to work with, each player still had a pretty big screen to themselves.
I did that once, about 6 years ago. SNES Mario Kart looks pretty rough on a huge screen. ;-)
@@nickwallette6201 I remember it looking great but who knows. It was all period correct equipment for the time and the projector supported S video from the snes.
My friend had a crt that was as big as a widescreen (remember those?) but was not wide. It was still 4:3 and it looked so cool. I wish I knew how big it was or how they got rid of it. My parents wont even get rid of there normal sized crt "it's to dangerous to move upstairs" both TVs were in there respective houses basements.
On the other hand my other friend had a crt the size of a vhs tape. it was just enough wider to allow for a vhs tape to be inserted inside. Don't know how we played agent under fire 4 player on that thing but we did.
funny i have fonder memories of the small screen because we could bring it outside and play it while laying on our stomach on the grass.
Damn, 29:14 is an incredible shot! I’ve always felt that lower resolutions marry so well with scan lines on monitors capable of communicating the artists’ work, but viewing size was just a cost I accepted for clarity. That footage was like those short moments where’d I’d put my face super close, except without the brightness and focusing strain my spectacled eyes would subsequently deal with.
Sigh...I was already on the fence about projectors since we visited some family members that used a really cheap one for movies for their kids. It was cheap but impressive. This video, like the CRT vids are going to send me down another rabbit hole. and I LOVE IT!
Heh, so this is why I was hearing about projectors in the stream last night. Interesting proposition considering how widespread the same models of projectors are in schools, many collecting dust by now no doubt.
My primary display mode these days is projection; loving this! Planning on adding a 480p pico projector for N64, Wii, PS1/2, etc.
This is awaken! I’d love to see a similar review for Ultra Short Throw projectors. I’d also like to see details on which projectors can do proper 24fps content without soap-opera effects, in addition to low-latency 60fps. That seems to be the real rarity in the market.
The rainbowing segment was some fantastic editing work.
I’m gonna skip my usual praise of your production quality this week. Instead, I’ll talk about how I love your choice of projectors to review! Instead of making a buying guide on the “best projectors of 2021 compared”, you considered the reality of your audience. Many people will opt to use $60 projectors they found at Goodwill & others are looking to shell out a reasonable amount of cash for a good 4K projector… and you provided a thourough examination of everything in-between… who else does something like this!?
You guys are so smart & it always inspire me to work harder in my own pursuits when I see your content. Please keep it up! 🙏
[Try4ce] Glad you liked the approach! Yeah, my intent was very much to assume people would not likely end up with the exact projectors I looked at here, but rather, just give them an idea of what might be in store for them if they end up with something similar.
I love your Channel. Cheers from Chile
Gaming on different projectors has made me Adapter Man. What a rabbit hole.
Wooow!!! what a nice episode!!! your parents must be very proud of you!
My parents had a videostore and rented out equipment, like that crt projector....if only I knew. Nice work Try!
Cool video; very informative! I've been gaming on a BenQ HT2050A 1080P for 3 years. It's a beautiful picture, though like you and others have said, "don't look too closely." The rainbow effect from the color wheel initially bothered me, but no one else who has looked at it even knew what I was talking about, and now I rarely notice it, either. But, it's a wonderful experience, and it has only 16ms input lag.
Playing Mario Kart 4-player split screen, with each person getting the equivalent of a 50" screen, is a lot of fun.
The image quality looks absolutely amazing
Now this, this is epic
I remember watching the Projector in math class of freshman year of high school.
It was the only projector in that school that caused rainbow artifacts and it drove me nuts all year.
Anyways...
Great video as always guys!
I love this video. A lot of attention is being paid to CRTs (for good reason) but it’s great to see other display technologies given a fair shake from someone who knows and loves video.
So dang helpful and interesting. Thank you.
I've been gaming on projectors for years since I got my first one for holiday projected decorating. They tend to make you understand super high(4k) resolutions are not needed to
Play any game. I find in some ways being able to see pixels on some mini projectors gives a pleasing and nostalgic huge gameboy screen experience. Those in focus can get a very big image as long as it can focus, and have a slight pixel blur to hide pixels. I also still game on a rear projection CRT Mitsubishi. That thing has outlived the mountains of flat panels gone Ewaste.
I prefer xga ,or wvga, resolutions because they are more realistic and versatile without huge borders. Those Chinese LED projectors are good at resolution emulation like a standard PC monitor. Although with any monitor there is the dreaded not support resolution warning when using with a PC signal that isn't set within display specs. Those In focus 3 LCD models are nice. I have the XGA Lp540 and Lp640 models. I refurbished them from heat stress and neglect. New bulbs are still available. I have several LED projectors I refurbished and some I improved lighting on. Most LED types have a Cool color temperature making them have a overall blue color shift. Some got inventive like the Unic UC80 that had red, green, and white LEDs that made the image more realistic and true to color.
They might not be needed to play a game, but that 4K adds to the experience massively. What I found was that the LCD (1 or 3 chip model) projectors really wreck the image with the screen door effect. DLP all the way. A 800x600 DLP acer I was recently given knocks the socks off a 1080p LCD one I was using at the time, both in clarity and especially brightness. It was way easier to get a uniform focus from corner to the center of the screen, something LCD models struggle with a lot.
The fact that a gaming channel made the greatest projector deep-dive I’ve ever seen, is pretty funny.
Great video Try. I've been pondering a projector in my loft (no windows!) but have been put off by the cost. An older 720p DLP sounds like a great option to dabble with, and the other advice in the vid is super useful too!
Fantastic Video Content
Awesome video as always!
I started in the mid 00’s with a cheap (£30 second-hand) 800x600 projector and a white wall, with my modded Xbox OG connected for emulators and XBMC streaming. Looked awesome at the time.
Recently I bought a dedicated screen and a 720p LG projector. It looks pretty awesome and supports 3D glasses! It allows a low-budget cinema experience and sends the audio via Bluetooth to my LG soundbar.
Great video. Someone who is not a complete noob but will knows the kind of things that a noob like myself would want to know or understand.
Good video! Just finished watching this interesting episode on my Optoma HD146X projector)
I used a 1080p projector for years in my game room. Had a TV as my main screen then used a surround sound with two hdmi outs to split between the TV and the projector. I loved it. Was great for group games etc. Had black out film on my windows anyway so had no issues.
The idea of a projector has always been something of a fantasy. I could see it being so perfect for large gatherings, or setting up some video outside.
I have been gaming on my Ben Q HT1085ST for a couple of years now and I love it!
2:04 lol, I appreciate the effort for this shot
[Try4ce] Haha I only just noticed that now that you pointed it out. Total coincidence. Similar thing happens later with me showing my mind blown and Snake detonating a bomb in the Smash intro. Total coincidence.
I still play my games on a 720p monitor I got for free on Facebook Marketplace... But I still enjoy watching these videos!
Man that Marantz VP12S2. Amazing projector. We had a VP12S3 for about 15 years. Played retro games pretty well straight off of analog connections.
Interesting video as always.
My Man 👍 He wanted to be a film's director as a Kid. Very well produced, congratulations!
I got a cheap 720p projector a few years ago, never really ended up using it much until I got a real projector screen. It was like 50 or 60 bucks from Amazon, 100 inches and has a light diffusing screen with black backing layer. It was immediately noticable how much nicer the colors were and how much light was just being wasted using the wall before. Definitely more expensive than the wall but if you like the projector, a cheap-ish screen is a solid investment imo.
I have used DLP projector as my only screen at home since 2005, for games, movies, series. From 2005 to 2010 it was the Toshiba MT200 (480p DLP) and since 2010 the Mitsubishi HC3200 (1080p DLP). For DLP projectors and the rainbow effect it is worth mentioning that the color wheel can run at different speeds, and they might also have different number of colors per cycle. It varies a lot across models. While I can see the effect if I try really hard and with the correct picture (white text on black background) it never bothered me, and not a single guest have complained.
In a room without windows I think most home cinema projectors would work very well, but in a normal room light control during daytime is worth investing in (black out curtains)
God I love all this talk about resolution and the game footage captured.