That sums up this video pretty well. I was very surprised this wasn't an April Fools Day video. This seems to go directly against everything MLiG stands for. RGB999: How to get a worse picture and aspect ratio from your games.
@@Powerman293 Yeah, seeing the drastically improved textures across all surfaces made it abundantly clear that SE just lowballed the hell out of the PS4's environmental texture res.
The blips i believe are actually due to image brightness! I have experienced similar issues on my GBS 8200 until I put a 100 ohm resistor from the green Y terminal to ground to pull down the signal village a bit. Worked like a charm. The benefit has carried over to the upgrade I did to GBS control
Are you referring to what's going on very noticeably at 36:59 (and throughout the whole video)? It was seriously bothering me and I came into the comments and didn't see anyone else mention it but you. If this is something the GBS is doing, then I guess I'm out, but wanted to make sure it wasn't just my computer/monitor.
The GBS seems to be expecting signals outside the normal YPbPr spec. (Keep in mind it was originally intended to convert arcade machines to LCD.) It's fairly easy to add a resistor without soldering to test the theory.
Thanks for your comment. Now I'm curious. Say if Coury didn't use the HDMI to Component transcoder, but instead opted to use VGA input (via a hdmi to vga transcoder/convertor), would these blips still be present? From what you're saying, this seems to arise from using component input. I'm looking to see if I can do some 240p downscaling into my PAL CRT over SCART via a DIY GBS Control (and a decent RGBHV to RGBs sync combiner on the output). I want to see what issues I may run into and look for fixes.
I've been having the same issue with my retrotink 5x pro. Is there a way to add a resistor to this without having to open up the device? Perhaps in one of the hdmi to component converters?
I spend maybe 1000$/€ in the framemeister, RGB cables from RetrogamingcablesUK for all my consoles, the best component cables, GCHD MKII, Bandridge svb7733 rgb switcher, RGB mods and an Mclassic to upscale all my retro consoles to glorious 1440p in my 4k TV. Now I want to downscale my HD consoles to 240p 🤤
There’s something about MLiG videos that just make you feel like a million bucks. Every time I get to the end of one of your videos, I’m grinning from ear to ear and grossly optimistic about gaming. Nothing else gets me more hyped up to play some games and have a good time. Thank you so much for all of your hard work!
I've been using GBS-Control for 240p downscale for several months now and I swear by it. I've been able to retire my faded low quality CRT computer monitor to the spare room, and now just use my 15khz PVM for all consoles including sixth gen.
This downscaler would seemingly be a perfect fit for those "classic" collections on gen 5 and 6 consoles that were criticized for their 480i resolutions. I'm talking about titles like Sega's Classic Collection and Genesis Collection as well as Sega's Smash Pack on the Dreamcast. Any 2D fighters from these eras that display in 480i could also benefit from this conversion. Great video.
This is so cool, great job once again! I am surprised though that with how many times the Chrono Cross problem has been brought up, the fact that the PS1's boot sequence and menus has never been mentioned. I've never been able to hear the full PS1 boot since getting an OSSC!
[Try4ce] Yeah that's sad too, but nothing that ruins any games. Three menu thing is a problem because it's during gameplay and the games are unplayable.
@@mylifeingaming I was honestly surprised when I saw it, I wasn't expecting it and I never noticed as a kid. Do any other consoles of that generation use 480i/p for their base menus?
Saturn has the same behavior in some games. I couldn't find a list, but Radiant Silvergun, Thunder Force V, Die Hard Arcade, and Dead or Alive all have sync issues from resolution switching.
I keep wondering if a solution might be for the renderer to actually "see" and respond to that signal in real time after every frame, simply composing it's signal with the blanked scan lines either odd or even based entirely on that real time measure instead of the current method which has to actively switch into semi-fixed "modes" of operation. In other words, it would be a 480p signal every time with the timing signal at the end of each frame telling the OSSC where to insert blank lines. I feel like if the processor could run fast enough to make that on-the-fly rendering, then it would "naturally" work without any notable gap where it was switching modes.
I would love to see Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 downscaled as they were never released as 240p titles on WiiWare. Only 480i. I believe the other versions support 480p+.
What a treat this video was! I'd never have thought to check out what modern consoles look like on CRT but I'm so glad you did, every game was such an enjoyable little experiment to witness.... but now you've got me back on eBay looking for PVMs... >_
Honestly, I don't think PVMs are worth it, at least not for me. There are plenty of good consumer grade CRTs just sitting around waiting to be trashed. My girlfriend brought home a 27" Trinitron that her coworker was trying to get rid of. Her coworker didn't understand why anyone would want a CRT television. This particular Trinitron has composite and S-video, and while I would have preferred component as well, I was shocked by how good the Sega Saturn looks even over composite. The colors and black levels are SO much better than my HDTV, I vastly prefer this set regardless of input used. 27" is my sweet spot. Anything bigger is going to be significantly heavier. I had a 32" Panasonic Tau CRT that I bought right near the end of CRT manufacturing, and while that TV had a great picture, it was literally 200 lbs and a pain in the ass to move. I ended up giving it away just so that I wouldn't have to move it again. Luckily, last year my work was getting rid of some old electronics including a 27" version of the same Tau that I had, so I got dibs on it. It's a true flat-tube TV with component input, a really great comb filter for composite signals, and something like 800 lines of horizontal resolution. The downside is that it's much heavier than the Sony, at nearly 110 lbs. But that's right on the edge of what I'm willing to deal with in terms of weight. My point being, I was looking into buying a 14" Sony PVM (20" was just too expensive and heavy for my taste), and while that might be fine for a desk setup, I decided that 14" was too small for a main gaming monitor. I like playing light gun games with my girlfriend, and a 27" is big enough for that. While a PVM will certainly give you a slightly better picture, I think the jump from going from an LCD flat panel TV back to a consumer CRT is much greater than going from CRT to PVM. PVMs are more of a pain to set up, they're heavier for a given size, and shipping one is a huge risk. With the Panasonic TV, I can plug all of my consoles in via component and get RGB-quality video without any of the hassle of actually using an RGB monitor. Just some things to keep in mind. For me, a PVM just didn't make much sense because I wanted a simple setup and a larger screen size, and the image quality of a PVM wasn't enough to justify the cost and hassle, especially when I had access to some perfectly good TVs for free. If you ask around, you'll probably find someone that has one that they're not using and will happily give to you. Even if it's a "crappy" set, just take it home and give it a try and you might be surprised by how much better you like it for older games.
I happened upon an abandoned Sony Trinitron TV in an attic space. I hooked up most of my retro consoles using composite running through multiple AV selectors and splitters. I have the signal split to go to the Trinitron and an old Zenith portable CRT TV (what makes it portable is the handle and car adapter). All of my old games look significantly better on it and I cannot go back to playing them on a modern LCD monitor. There is one exception: To stream the games onto my capture card, I got an AV to HDMI converter with built in screen ratio settings. The icing on the cake was recently getting a Genki Shadowcast allowing me to play the games on my computer monitor and manage game capture software all on the same screen.
For me it's both. But for example to buy all the interesting Saturn games ist top expensive. Only have the console with a mod. But i emulate many and even build an retropie arcade. But the original thing is fascinating for me!
Me too but I like to know the basis of what I'm emulating and what I should be aiming for visually. I like the compromise of clarity with some trappings of real hardware, like scaliness and extremely mild softening of the raw pixels
I used to talk such crap on emulators, because I was always picturing the bad ones who left a gross impression via audio, video artifacts. But emulation really has come a long way and it's q good backup or stopgap before I take the steep cost plunge of buying original hardware and putting in modwork.
@@axelkusanagi4139 crap?? i have all on Emulation too. But somethin in me wants the real deal... only sometimes. At least i want the original looking Controller for coming into the mood :D but on many repro Controllers the analoge pads are baaad. I have more emulation than physical games. 5 NES and maybe 11 or 12 SNES 1 Saturn and 4 Wii Games. This year it got an original Saturn. First Sega System i touched in my life!
It's always a joy when MLIG tests such a niche idea for no other reason but because they can. That is some true game love right there. Thank you for all your hard work guys.
I have basically zero desire to ever do this, but damn I love your videos! Each one is basically a deep-dive documentary on a gaming topic and it's amazing!
this gave me chills, because i have never thought of the idea of downscaling stuff for faux retro before. It is a rare day when one encounters a brand new idea. Wow.
Once thing I was waiting to be mentioned was using the switch's screen adjustment settings to tweak the height and width of the displayed image. It's a feature deep in the switch's settings menu and applies system-wide. I used to to adjust for parts of the image falling off screen when I converted the switch's HDMI signal into component for a retro display. Worked great for me!
Very cool video, I can see why it took so long to put together. It was interesting to see how these titles looked in 240p downscaled from their original resolution. 100% correct, probably most won’t take the time to fiddle just for mixed results, but there is something to playing some of these on a CRT!
Farcry 3: Blood Dragon looks like it would fit in PERFECTLY in an old railshooter type setup from the 90s, and it's WILD how well some of these games downscale. fascinating stuff!
What a great video guys! Thank you! Watched it on my 36"" widescreen Toshiba HD CRT. Use it for all modern stuff. Natural colors and motion on CRTs - the best!
Fun fact: 240p isn't a bad resolution for videos if they are converted well. Watching RUclips videos in 240p directly on the website/application is a really bad idea, because of the super low bitrate compression bullshit of RUclips, but if you convert the videos yourself at good settings, you will probably get a pretty nice output (it will not be perfect, but not terrible either) on older phones or portable media players with no bitrate issues whatsoever.
As one of the zerohimself techs who spent hundreds of hours over several months troubleshooting, developing, and building the GBSC-AIOs it feels great to see some love on here ❤️
Love this video. I threw together a GBSC just a few months ago and am very happy with this cheap scaler. My diy version is certainly "a jumble of wires and pcbs, just a mess." I've mostly been using it to upscale extra consoles that aren't in my crt setup to my 4k living room tv. I'm very exited to learn about the motion adaptive deinterlacing mentioned tword the beginning of the episode, I wonder if this can do away with the flicker from 480i ps2 games on a crt. All together my GBS control cost less than $50 to put together (scart input, sync cleaner, clock gen, etc...) and the scaling is definitely good enough in my eyes not to shell out for an OSSC.
Still waiting for someone to just make a Board to control a CRT with all the modern stuff. The next Would be a revival of SED tvs that never got out of Preproduction.
@@Powerman293 ...SEDs were simpler than LCDs at the time soo meh to R&D Balloons. IF anything CRTs have already proven that 1080p(rather high line res is more proper term) ETC is possible after all they exist OLEDs and Shit arent improving at all and the industry is hyper focused on the numbers of pixels they can jam into a display but we are getting to the point of minor to zilch for improvement the HD TVs of today are pretty much the HD tvs of 2006 the price went down. As it is Displays despite the "advancements" havent done shit at all and are still playing catchup with alot of feature lost from a CRT. People only can care about numbers soo much before losing interest entirely "oh bigger number its better but i cant tell 4k onward it all looks the same washed out but detailed" We are already seeing it slightly with smart TVs it has to do something innovative or be different like transparent displays otherwise customers dont care and enthuists already see past the marketing BS with colour and response being the factors that matter which we lead back to CRTs still reigning supreme in that category. SEDs were the best of both worlds and should be obvious path going forwards. Its only a matter of time now.
Have you guys tried the Metal Gear Solid: HD Collection, Final Fantasy VIII Remastered through Final Fantasy X HD plus FFXII: The Zodiac Age, the Shadow of the Colossus Remake, the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Resident Evil 4 HD Project and original PSP games with it?
Watching you play these new games on a CRT makes me think back when I first played a 3D game. Seeing FFVII Remake on a CRT is what my memory tells me the original looked like back when it was brand new. Great video!
So it turns out the RetroTINK-5X Pro has built-in downscaling from 480i/p and 720p to 240p and I don't know if that makes this video incredibly well timed or incredibly poorly timed. Either way, I'd like to see this topic revisited using it and see if it irons out the kinks. I didn't expect so many of these games to look so good, but I'm dying to see more!
While I love the video overall, I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed at a couple things in the PC segment. One, you could've used a VGA cable (perhaps HDMI/DVI to RGB/VGA adapter which are readily available on amazon/ebay) to remove the stutter in the signal which might've fixed a lot of the problems you saw with games like Wizorb. Two, NO CAVE STORY?! There's a *plethora* of PC games that are styled in the vein of classic console titles, and I'm a bit disappointed that the PC segment took something of a back-seat in this episode. I could make a whole list of just what I know of in my library of Steam/GOG games, but there's many sources for you to pull from that natively will fullscreen at 480p. RUclips videos, Wikipedia articles, listicles, etc. Then again, maybe the GBS wouldn't be ideal for that kind of scenario, instead making the Framemeister a more viable solution to those cases. Maybe this could have a follow-up feature covering PC games that work well on a PVM? I swear, it could have its own hour (or more) long video with how many great Indie games are available in these styles of games. Not even just 2D games, but many PS1-style games as well! I recommend checking out the games included in the Haunted PS1 Demo Discs (a compilation of demos for games made from various Indies in the PS1 3D style), as well as many classic style FPS games like DUSK, Amid Evil, Heavy Bullets, Project Warlock, Ion Maiden... Another sub-set of games I could make a laundry list of. Rambling aside, I still love the show, and I did overall really love this video! It's great seeing how well many of these retro-inspired games translated to a PVM, as well as how many flopped that *should* have worked! As usual, I'm looking forward to the next video! 😁
One thing that I think was missed was that I do believe the Switch dock has analog video coming through its HDMI output. I hooked up my Switch to my CRT using a simple dummy HDMI to VGA cable, and then into an Extron scan converter. Obviously not 240p, but an interesting development nonetheless.
Wow! This arrived at the perfect moment for me! I was just about to figure out how to do this but you've basically shown me exactly how to do it! People might think I'm crazy but I love gaming on monitors from my childhood! Now every system I own can potentially display through my old monitors! :-)
Sonic Mania abd Blazing Chrome look great on a CRT. Playimg both games with Retro Bits wireless Genesis controller is a blast. Great video you guys always hit it out of the park with these videos.
Thanks for sharing this downscale adventure, great quality as always in your show! Somehow it’s just cool to downscale these newer games and to see those scanlines pop-up. There are lots of games left to try. Maybe someone could make a list of the best downscaled games. Marvel vs capcom 3 is also a great game to play in 240p
It would have been interesting if back in the day a developper had decided to make a 240p Xbox 360 game. GPU wise it would be comparable to running 1440p on Series X. Why don't you try downscaling to 480i ? It should preserve more detail while still working on a 15khz tv.
How do all those modern age fighting games (either with HD sprites or 3D models) hold up on older equipment? Man do the PlayStation systems have a lot of those. You should’ve showcased more of those, I’d really would have liked to see those.
@@chronology556You wasn't impressed with KOF XIII's picture in this video because it was downscaled, however the game looks absolutely great and beautiful on an HD CRT monitor (PVM/BVM) at a higher resolution from 480p and up.
I love everything about this video. Seeing all these modern games in downscaled CRT glory was something to behold. However I must admit that given your obvious love for the CRT I am kind of surprised you haven't tracked down a late model HD CRT for more modern game play. Something like a Sony KV-30HS420 for instance. It has a big tube, is 16:9 widescreen, has HDMI input, can display up to 1080i, the works. If you really want CRT look and quality with modern games something like this might be right up your alley.
[Try4ce] I used to have an HD CRT (a 36 inch 4:3 Sony version), but it was just too dangerously heavy to move or do anything with. Eventually I got rid of it so I could have room to do things with proper 15kHz CRTs. There definitely are perks to playing 480i or 480p games on an HD CRT, but even my first fixed-pixel 720p LCD TV from 2010 could show more detail in PS3 games than my HD CRT. I feel it's a technology that neither has the full benefits of analog or digital, and has a very narrow set of consoles that really shine on it. Just my opinion, though. I may have just resented the space it took up more than anything. :)
@@mylifeingaming Yes they do have a somewhat narrow range of consoles that can truly take advantage of them, but those that can look amazing. Where they really shine is when you track down one of the 16:9 models and can run stuff like OG Xbox games in widescreen. Now I can certainly understand the space and weight concerns. No arguments there that is for sure. I've got a couple of beast CRTs that top out over 200lbs myself. I get a new hernia every time I dust in the game room. XD
Great vid again, guys. Thanks. I have a theory about the small sync glitches in downscaling mode. Maybe it's because the vertical refresh rate from the GBS-C is set too close to what the consoles are outputting. ie. it might be expecting the source to be say 59.94Hz, but the consoles are outputting at exactly 60Hz. So the two frame rates are very close to eachother, but still asyncronous, so it's spending a bit too long swapping the framebuffers when the incoming and outgoing frame rates "line up". Like at 10:13, where the input to that scaler is async to the output. Try changing the output refresh rate on the GBS-C to something else, like even 50 Hz (if your BVM accepts 50 Hz, probably?) Just a thought, as it would be quick to test. ;)
Gbs-c is great, only thing that is missing are lower resolutions for example 800*600 and 1024*768. They are needed if you would like to use it with 15 inch vga monitors.
I'd love for a comparison of true crt vs the best crt shaders in something like Retroarch. I feel the hardware purists instantly dismiss crt shaders (PVMs are expensive so they have a bias) but I've had amazing results that more than nullify my cravings to buy a real crt. I'm talking just image quality and authenticity, not input delay.
every time there's an increase in the technology of screen resolution, it becomes less and less impressive to me. but i went through and played Chrono trigger not too long ago, the graphics in Chrono Trigger are still impressive 20 years later. it's not about how powerful the graphical capabilities of a machine are, rather, how it's graphical capabilities are used.
I think this is a fun episode, thanks for making it Coury. It's somewhat interesting to me too because I'm making a software based 3D game engine for low resolutions that I specifically hoped to run on a CRT, and at true 240p would be nice too.
13:43 Speaking as a fella who plays widescreen gaming in 4:3, your "dark mirror" attitude is *FAAAARRRR* better than those who stretch 4:3 to widescreen. Sometimes those 4:3 games even support 16:9 and they *STILL* stretch it. Pure evil.
[Try4ce] Honestly I think it makes even more sense than Coury gave it credit for. When you think about all the Sega Genesis games that have skinny artwork when viewed in 4:3 on a CRT, seeing HD games slightly skinny on a CRT seems weirdly normal. Think about how the flowers in Sonic are oval. In Sonic Mania, they're honestly not looking that different from Genesis proportions here...
@@mylifeingaming To be honest, my widescreen in 4:3 viewing is more in pillarboxing rather than squeezing. I'd take cut-off HUD/UI over squashed footage. Also, what is Try4ce?
Utilizing an HDMI/DisplayPort to VGA cable would be really interesting, and I plan on messing with it when I get my GBS Control. I have with VGA monitors to great effect, but never to other CRTs, let alone PVMs. For PC I mean, given the customizations allowed for various games etc.
So you guys know that most of these games are also on PC? In which case you could install CRT Emudriver and force the correct output resolution AND refresh rate. And you can build a perfectly capable PC for these 2D games for about the price of GBS control, and definitely cheaper than the other options. Like I've played Blazing Chrome, Cyber Shadow, Oniken, Odallus, Sonic Mania, all with perfect 1:1 pixel scaling on my CRT. And no scaling lag to boot And on PVM's without a 16:9 mode, you can tweak the underscan mode's geometry in the service menu, and make it a 16:9 mode. Which will then allow you to play all these games in the correct aspect ratio, and still have all 240 lines
@@robbystrange4772 Yeah, it's a little disappointing to see all these popular youtubers, including RetroRGB Bob and John Linneman, trying these needlessly complex setups to attempt to get 240p on new stuff
@@lulkLogan yup. Just like with vga monitors you can use retroarch and crt switchres. Or an interlacing filter if you're susceptible to running 60hz on 120hz. It has great compatibility too.
@sonikchilidog sometimes you have to figure out the resolution yourself if it's not on Pcgamingwiki. Easy enough to do by running on a 1x window, screenshot the window, paste that in something like MS Paint and check the properties for the size. If the window has a border, you do need to subtract that from the count. Since CRT's are 240p, any game that is 240 lines or lower in vetical resolution will work
Hey, I know you focused this episode on the GBS-C, but over on PC you can try running games with ReShade hooked on. It doesn't work for every game, only those that run in DX9/10/11, OpenGL or Vulkan *and* that don't already have a hook plugged in (like the Steam Overlay does), but if you can get it installed you've got access to a whole slew of shaders, in particular are various scanline/CRT shaders and the VirtualResolution shader. I've dabbled with directly halving my 1080p res with it before and even if it's not perfect, it's fun to play with. You guys could totally do a video detailing the intricacies of ReShade and how it can be used to really polish up a lot of games, especially earlier 3D titles. I've even used it on Daikatana myself.
So cool, love this one so much. I been playing new games on a WIDE CRT with S VIDEO, lots of games gain a special flavor with CRT, specially horror games, like Evil Within, RE 7, Outlast or Alien Isolation, also Dark Souls, specially 1 & 2, Minit, Undertale, Celeste, a lot of modern pixel games looks amazing.
GBS control let’s goooo. I HEAVILY modded mine. When I was looking into scalers a while back it was between this and the retrotink. Ultimately chose this cause 1. Waaay cheaper. 2. I personally don’t like how soft the retrotink outputs, at least when I saw it a while back, in fairness it may have changed by now.
We’ve progressed too far and there’s nowhere left to go.... except backwards
correct!
Reject HD, go back to monki.
just when you think you couldn't nerd out anymore than where these guys take you
The plot of TeИet in a nutshell.
That sums up this video pretty well. I was very surprised this wasn't an April Fools Day video. This seems to go directly against everything MLiG stands for. RGB999: How to get a worse picture and aspect ratio from your games.
Final Fantasy VII Remake on a CRT--JUST like the developers wanted.
oh yeah!
I think it did improve the look of it. the Softer look helped mesh the textures better.
@@braddl9442 Fourtunatley the PS5 version seems to fix the textures
@@Powerman293 sadly.... its the PS5... lol jk
@@Powerman293 Yeah, seeing the drastically improved textures across all surfaces made it abundantly clear that SE just lowballed the hell out of the PS4's environmental texture res.
The blips i believe are actually due to image brightness! I have experienced similar issues on my GBS 8200 until I put a 100 ohm resistor from the green Y terminal to ground to pull down the signal village a bit. Worked like a charm. The benefit has carried over to the upgrade I did to GBS control
Are you referring to what's going on very noticeably at 36:59 (and throughout the whole video)? It was seriously bothering me and I came into the comments and didn't see anyone else mention it but you. If this is something the GBS is doing, then I guess I'm out, but wanted to make sure it wasn't just my computer/monitor.
The GBS seems to be expecting signals outside the normal YPbPr spec. (Keep in mind it was originally intended to convert arcade machines to LCD.) It's fairly easy to add a resistor without soldering to test the theory.
Thanks for your comment. Now I'm curious.
Say if Coury didn't use the HDMI to Component transcoder, but instead opted to use VGA input (via a hdmi to vga transcoder/convertor), would these blips still be present? From what you're saying, this seems to arise from using component input.
I'm looking to see if I can do some 240p downscaling into my PAL CRT over SCART via a DIY GBS Control (and a decent RGBHV to RGBs sync combiner on the output). I want to see what issues I may run into and look for fixes.
I've been having the same issue with my retrotink 5x pro. Is there a way to add a resistor to this without having to open up the device? Perhaps in one of the hdmi to component converters?
eehr those blips are super noticable. I couldn't game like that with them.... ?!
I spend maybe 1000$/€ in the framemeister, RGB cables from RetrogamingcablesUK for all my consoles, the best component cables, GCHD MKII, Bandridge svb7733 rgb switcher, RGB mods and an Mclassic to upscale all my retro consoles to glorious 1440p in my 4k TV.
Now I want to downscale my HD consoles to 240p 🤤
I brought a 21 inch lg crt for 25$ paired with a component cable, it doesn't get any better than that
ur dumb
There’s something about MLiG videos that just make you feel like a million bucks. Every time I get to the end of one of your videos, I’m grinning from ear to ear and grossly optimistic about gaming. Nothing else gets me more hyped up to play some games and have a good time. Thank you so much for all of your hard work!
You took the words out of my mind. Especially the intro music. Holy hell it's so nostalgic and gives me goosebumps.
I've been using GBS-Control for 240p downscale for several months now and I swear by it. I've been able to retire my faded low quality CRT computer monitor to the spare room, and now just use my 15khz PVM for all consoles including sixth gen.
This downscaler would seemingly be a perfect fit for those "classic" collections on gen 5 and 6 consoles that were criticized for their 480i resolutions. I'm talking about titles like Sega's Classic Collection and Genesis Collection as well as Sega's Smash Pack on the Dreamcast. Any 2D fighters from these eras that display in 480i could also benefit from this conversion. Great video.
This is so cool, great job once again!
I am surprised though that with how many times the Chrono Cross problem has been brought up, the fact that the PS1's boot sequence and menus has never been mentioned. I've never been able to hear the full PS1 boot since getting an OSSC!
[Try4ce] Yeah that's sad too, but nothing that ruins any games. Three menu thing is a problem because it's during gameplay and the games are unplayable.
@@mylifeingaming I was honestly surprised when I saw it, I wasn't expecting it and I never noticed as a kid. Do any other consoles of that generation use 480i/p for their base menus?
Saturn has the same behavior in some games. I couldn't find a list, but Radiant Silvergun, Thunder Force V, Die Hard Arcade, and Dead or Alive all have sync issues from resolution switching.
I keep wondering if a solution might be for the renderer to actually "see" and respond to that signal in real time after every frame, simply composing it's signal with the blanked scan lines either odd or even based entirely on that real time measure instead of the current method which has to actively switch into semi-fixed "modes" of operation. In other words, it would be a 480p signal every time with the timing signal at the end of each frame telling the OSSC where to insert blank lines. I feel like if the processor could run fast enough to make that on-the-fly rendering, then it would "naturally" work without any notable gap where it was switching modes.
You know I love seeing so much CRT in one video. GREAT Stuff and thanks for showcasing this device. Gotta get that Vertical Scroll fixed.
holy crap guys an hour of content must have been a massive amount of work, great work cant wait to watch.
I would love to see Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 downscaled as they were never released as 240p titles on WiiWare. Only 480i. I believe the other versions support 480p+.
I bought the components and a friend of mine built it for me. I can't wait to put my hands on that thing.
This whole channel is better than anything on netflix. Great work guys
I dunno. Netflix has some diamonds in the rough.
I know exactly what you're getting at, though.
My what a trendy thing to say
What a treat this video was! I'd never have thought to check out what modern consoles look like on CRT but I'm so glad you did, every game was such an enjoyable little experiment to witness.... but now you've got me back on eBay looking for PVMs... >_
Honestly, I don't think PVMs are worth it, at least not for me. There are plenty of good consumer grade CRTs just sitting around waiting to be trashed. My girlfriend brought home a 27" Trinitron that her coworker was trying to get rid of. Her coworker didn't understand why anyone would want a CRT television. This particular Trinitron has composite and S-video, and while I would have preferred component as well, I was shocked by how good the Sega Saturn looks even over composite. The colors and black levels are SO much better than my HDTV, I vastly prefer this set regardless of input used.
27" is my sweet spot. Anything bigger is going to be significantly heavier. I had a 32" Panasonic Tau CRT that I bought right near the end of CRT manufacturing, and while that TV had a great picture, it was literally 200 lbs and a pain in the ass to move. I ended up giving it away just so that I wouldn't have to move it again. Luckily, last year my work was getting rid of some old electronics including a 27" version of the same Tau that I had, so I got dibs on it. It's a true flat-tube TV with component input, a really great comb filter for composite signals, and something like 800 lines of horizontal resolution. The downside is that it's much heavier than the Sony, at nearly 110 lbs. But that's right on the edge of what I'm willing to deal with in terms of weight.
My point being, I was looking into buying a 14" Sony PVM (20" was just too expensive and heavy for my taste), and while that might be fine for a desk setup, I decided that 14" was too small for a main gaming monitor. I like playing light gun games with my girlfriend, and a 27" is big enough for that. While a PVM will certainly give you a slightly better picture, I think the jump from going from an LCD flat panel TV back to a consumer CRT is much greater than going from CRT to PVM. PVMs are more of a pain to set up, they're heavier for a given size, and shipping one is a huge risk. With the Panasonic TV, I can plug all of my consoles in via component and get RGB-quality video without any of the hassle of actually using an RGB monitor.
Just some things to keep in mind. For me, a PVM just didn't make much sense because I wanted a simple setup and a larger screen size, and the image quality of a PVM wasn't enough to justify the cost and hassle, especially when I had access to some perfectly good TVs for free. If you ask around, you'll probably find someone that has one that they're not using and will happily give to you. Even if it's a "crappy" set, just take it home and give it a try and you might be surprised by how much better you like it for older games.
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I happened upon an abandoned Sony Trinitron TV in an attic space. I hooked up most of my retro consoles using composite running through multiple AV selectors and splitters. I have the signal split to go to the Trinitron and an old Zenith portable CRT TV (what makes it portable is the handle and car adapter). All of my old games look significantly better on it and I cannot go back to playing them on a modern LCD monitor. There is one exception: To stream the games onto my capture card, I got an AV to HDMI converter with built in screen ratio settings. The icing on the cake was recently getting a Genki Shadowcast allowing me to play the games on my computer monitor and manage game capture software all on the same screen.
I emulate everything so I'm not sure why I enjoy watching these videos so much. Guess that's a sign of great content.
For me it's both. But for example to buy all the interesting Saturn games ist top expensive. Only have the console with a mod. But i emulate many and even build an retropie arcade. But the original thing is fascinating for me!
Me too but I like to know the basis of what I'm emulating and what I should be aiming for visually. I like the compromise of clarity with some trappings of real hardware, like scaliness and extremely mild softening of the raw pixels
I used to talk such crap on emulators, because I was always picturing the bad ones who left a gross impression via audio, video artifacts.
But emulation really has come a long way and it's q good backup or stopgap before I take the steep cost plunge of buying original hardware and putting in modwork.
@@axelkusanagi4139 crap?? i have all on Emulation too. But somethin in me wants the real deal... only sometimes. At least i want the original looking Controller for coming into the mood :D but on many repro Controllers the analoge pads are baaad.
I have more emulation than physical games. 5 NES and maybe 11 or 12 SNES 1 Saturn and 4 Wii Games.
This year it got an original Saturn. First Sega System i touched in my life!
It's always a joy when MLIG tests such a niche idea for no other reason but because they can. That is some true game love right there. Thank you for all your hard work guys.
Yes true, although I'd never go this far myself as it's seems way to convoluted to even spend money on its still fascinating stuff.
I have basically zero desire to ever do this, but damn I love your videos! Each one is basically a deep-dive documentary on a gaming topic and it's amazing!
I've been using my PS3 directly hooked up to my Sony PVM with RBG cables, and it's absolutely amazing!
you mean component? with a crt is the best picture I've ever seen, never going back to lcd
I’ve been eyeing the GBS control for this exact reason for a grip but was intimidated. Thank you SO much!
You guys never disappoint. Underrated channel.
The word your looking for is underappreciated, not underrated. This channel is highly rated as it should be.
@@technozombie789 I like that, that makes more sense
@@technozombie789 yeah I agree!
They deserve 1 million subscribers, like they put so much effort into their videos!
Man. I'm so glad I was able to snag a GBS-C AIO for those few hours they were available.
this gave me chills, because i have never thought of the idea of downscaling stuff for faux retro before. It is a rare day when one encounters a brand new idea. Wow.
Once thing I was waiting to be mentioned was using the switch's screen adjustment settings to tweak the height and width of the displayed image. It's a feature deep in the switch's settings menu and applies system-wide. I used to to adjust for parts of the image falling off screen when I converted the switch's HDMI signal into component for a retro display. Worked great for me!
Some Sony Trinitrons have a built in 16:9 'experimental' mode. It would be interesting to see this used on one of those.
or just to use an 16:9 480p crt tv. i have one.
@@GraveUypo those process the signal digitally, iirc. that means lag is inherent to them
This was quite the episode! Modern consoles look great on a HD-capable BVM too ;)
Very cool video, I can see why it took so long to put together. It was interesting to see how these titles looked in 240p downscaled from their original resolution. 100% correct, probably most won’t take the time to fiddle just for mixed results, but there is something to playing some of these on a CRT!
Farcry 3: Blood Dragon looks like it would fit in PERFECTLY in an old railshooter type setup from the 90s, and it's WILD how well some of these games downscale. fascinating stuff!
Even though I will never even be able to do this, it's so incredibly cool. Great vid as always!
What a great video guys! Thank you! Watched it on my 36"" widescreen Toshiba HD CRT. Use it for all modern stuff. Natural colors and motion on CRTs - the best!
That random Sunshine Coastline was really cool, Cory should try to show more gameplay of Falcom games on videos so more people know them
Fun fact: 240p isn't a bad resolution for videos if they are converted well. Watching RUclips videos in 240p directly on the website/application is a really bad idea, because of the super low bitrate compression bullshit of RUclips, but if you convert the videos yourself at good settings, you will probably get a pretty nice output (it will not be perfect, but not terrible either) on older phones or portable media players with no bitrate issues whatsoever.
I have been waiting for coverage like this since I got my GBS-C AIO!
It's already sold out. Do you know who I contact to try to get one?
What happens if you feed the 240p back into an OSSC and upscale it?
The real questions here
lmao plz
Upscale that, capture and record to DVD. Capture it, encoding to Divx. De-noise and upscale to 8k.
Downscale.
that's what I do sometimes. I line triple to 720p + scanlines and some games look really good. only downside is the aspect ratio squish
@@-dash Use AI upscaling if you're chaotic evil
I believe retroarch has native CRT output available
Is that so? I keep hearing about this but im worried about input lag from my nes mini to crt tv.
What a cool and unique trip this was! Thank you so much for this episode!
Oh yeah, next time turn your PVM off before switching to TATE mode or you may end up with Purity issues.
I wonder if something like Star Wars Squadrons would just look like watching the original trilogy on VHS.
This is such a cool video. Thanks for testing so many games!
This was very cathartic for me! I've always been curious about this subject. Love it!
One of my new favorite videos on this channel.
This is the kind of RUclips content I live for. Great video, MLiG!
Saw Phantasy Star Online disc in the thumbnail, instantly gotta watch that
As one of the zerohimself techs who spent hundreds of hours over several months troubleshooting, developing, and building the GBSC-AIOs it feels great to see some love on here ❤️
thank you for your work. i absolutely love this little device.
This is excellent. I've been so curious about this. Thanks! On a side, I totally envy your ability to record a crt screen so well.
Love this video. I threw together a GBSC just a few months ago and am very happy with this cheap scaler. My diy version is certainly "a jumble of wires and pcbs, just a mess." I've mostly been using it to upscale extra consoles that aren't in my crt setup to my 4k living room tv. I'm very exited to learn about the motion adaptive deinterlacing mentioned tword the beginning of the episode, I wonder if this can do away with the flicker from 480i ps2 games on a crt. All together my GBS control cost less than $50 to put together (scart input, sync cleaner, clock gen, etc...) and the scaling is definitely good enough in my eyes not to shell out for an OSSC.
Still waiting for someone to just make a Board to control a CRT with all the modern stuff. The next Would be a revival of SED tvs that never got out of Preproduction.
Unfourtunatley that would cost millions in R&D that'll never happen to get SED going again.
@@Powerman293 ...SEDs were simpler than LCDs at the time soo meh to R&D Balloons. IF anything CRTs have already proven that 1080p(rather high line res is more proper term) ETC is possible after all they exist OLEDs and Shit arent improving at all and the industry is hyper focused on the numbers of pixels they can jam into a display but we are getting to the point of minor to zilch for improvement the HD TVs of today are pretty much the HD tvs of 2006 the price went down. As it is Displays despite the "advancements" havent done shit at all and are still playing catchup with alot of feature lost from a CRT.
People only can care about numbers soo much before losing interest entirely "oh bigger number its better but i cant tell 4k onward it all looks the same washed out but detailed" We are already seeing it slightly with smart TVs it has to do something innovative or be different like transparent displays otherwise customers dont care and enthuists already see past the marketing BS with colour and response being the factors that matter which we lead back to CRTs still reigning supreme in that category.
SEDs were the best of both worlds and should be obvious path going forwards. Its only a matter of time now.
@@snintendog Take your meds
Never going to touch this myself, but it was really interesting to see you test all these games.
Thanks , I have always wanted to be able to downscale the Xbox 360 Shmup Collection to 240p. Thanks for the knowledge.
a one hour episode? this is the nerdiest thing I*ve seen so far, and I'm into nostalgic gaming since many years now :D
I am shocked by the amount of amazing looking games I never heard of are here.
This is amazing, you did a good job covering what I'd like to see as well. Thank you!
It's quite amusing how Aerith looks cute even in 240p
Have you guys tried the Metal Gear Solid: HD Collection, Final Fantasy VIII Remastered through Final Fantasy X HD plus FFXII: The Zodiac Age, the Shadow of the Colossus Remake, the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Resident Evil 4 HD Project and original PSP games with it?
The black ceiling tiles turned out well, the install looks good! As always, great video.
Watching you play these new games on a CRT makes me think back when I first played a 3D game. Seeing FFVII Remake on a CRT is what my memory tells me the original looked like back when it was brand new. Great video!
Finally, I got to see Scott pilgrim vs the word on cry down scaled to 240p!
I've got one of those 16:9 widescreen trinitron CRTs so I'm looking forward to trying this out
These videos are so well put together. Thank you SO much!
So it turns out the RetroTINK-5X Pro has built-in downscaling from 480i/p and 720p to 240p and I don't know if that makes this video incredibly well timed or incredibly poorly timed. Either way, I'd like to see this topic revisited using it and see if it irons out the kinks. I didn't expect so many of these games to look so good, but I'm dying to see more!
While I love the video overall, I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed at a couple things in the PC segment. One, you could've used a VGA cable (perhaps HDMI/DVI to RGB/VGA adapter which are readily available on amazon/ebay) to remove the stutter in the signal which might've fixed a lot of the problems you saw with games like Wizorb. Two, NO CAVE STORY?! There's a *plethora* of PC games that are styled in the vein of classic console titles, and I'm a bit disappointed that the PC segment took something of a back-seat in this episode.
I could make a whole list of just what I know of in my library of Steam/GOG games, but there's many sources for you to pull from that natively will fullscreen at 480p. RUclips videos, Wikipedia articles, listicles, etc. Then again, maybe the GBS wouldn't be ideal for that kind of scenario, instead making the Framemeister a more viable solution to those cases. Maybe this could have a follow-up feature covering PC games that work well on a PVM?
I swear, it could have its own hour (or more) long video with how many great Indie games are available in these styles of games. Not even just 2D games, but many PS1-style games as well! I recommend checking out the games included in the Haunted PS1 Demo Discs (a compilation of demos for games made from various Indies in the PS1 3D style), as well as many classic style FPS games like DUSK, Amid Evil, Heavy Bullets, Project Warlock, Ion Maiden... Another sub-set of games I could make a laundry list of.
Rambling aside, I still love the show, and I did overall really love this video! It's great seeing how well many of these retro-inspired games translated to a PVM, as well as how many flopped that *should* have worked! As usual, I'm looking forward to the next video! 😁
One thing that I think was missed was that I do believe the Switch dock has analog video coming through its HDMI output. I hooked up my Switch to my CRT using a simple dummy HDMI to VGA cable, and then into an Extron scan converter. Obviously not 240p, but an interesting development nonetheless.
This video is so cool! Nice to see that some modern game design holds up so well on older televisions.
Wow! This arrived at the perfect moment for me! I was just about to figure out how to do this but you've basically shown me exactly how to do it! People might think I'm crazy but I love gaming on monitors from my childhood! Now every system I own can potentially display through my old monitors! :-)
Great episode! I’m always impressed by the depth of your content. Legit the best damned retro channel on the internet.
Whoa, that transformers game looks so cool, hearing that original transformation sound was so awesome and nostalgic.
Sonic Mania abd Blazing Chrome look great on a CRT. Playimg both games with Retro Bits wireless Genesis controller is a blast. Great video you guys always hit it out of the park with these videos.
Thanks for sharing this downscale adventure, great quality as always in your show!
Somehow it’s just cool to downscale these newer games and to see those scanlines pop-up. There are lots of games left to try. Maybe someone could make a list of the best downscaled games. Marvel vs capcom 3 is also a great game to play in 240p
When nostalgia goggles just don't get the job done anymore.
reminds me of the digitalfoundry episode where they play Control on a HD CRT
and it is even worth it except when owning an OLED more or less. played it in 1600x1200 LUL
It would have been interesting if back in the day a developper had decided to make a 240p Xbox 360 game. GPU wise it would be comparable to running 1440p on Series X.
Why don't you try downscaling to 480i ? It should preserve more detail while still working on a 15khz tv.
How do all those modern age fighting games (either with HD sprites or 3D models) hold up on older equipment? Man do the PlayStation systems have a lot of those. You should’ve showcased more of those, I’d really would have liked to see those.
I don’t like the look, myself. CRT’s are meant for retro systems. I wasn’t impressed with KOF XIII’s picture in this video.
@@chronology556You wasn't impressed with KOF XIII's picture in this video because it was downscaled, however the game looks absolutely great and beautiful on an HD CRT monitor (PVM/BVM) at a higher resolution from 480p and up.
This is such perfect timing. I just ordered an 8220 for exactly this purpose.
I'm gonna use this info to play CAVE shooters and Radiant Silvergun. I just got my first CRT monitor so you guys are just in time. 😎
Why would Radiant Silvergun need this assistance? Its already in this format.
@@rickylovesyou The original on Sega Saturn is in this format, the Xbox 360 rerelease is not.
I love everything about this video. Seeing all these modern games in downscaled CRT glory was something to behold. However I must admit that given your obvious love for the CRT I am kind of surprised you haven't tracked down a late model HD CRT for more modern game play. Something like a Sony KV-30HS420 for instance. It has a big tube, is 16:9 widescreen, has HDMI input, can display up to 1080i, the works. If you really want CRT look and quality with modern games something like this might be right up your alley.
[Try4ce] I used to have an HD CRT (a 36 inch 4:3 Sony version), but it was just too dangerously heavy to move or do anything with. Eventually I got rid of it so I could have room to do things with proper 15kHz CRTs. There definitely are perks to playing 480i or 480p games on an HD CRT, but even my first fixed-pixel 720p LCD TV from 2010 could show more detail in PS3 games than my HD CRT. I feel it's a technology that neither has the full benefits of analog or digital, and has a very narrow set of consoles that really shine on it. Just my opinion, though. I may have just resented the space it took up more than anything. :)
@@mylifeingaming Yes they do have a somewhat narrow range of consoles that can truly take advantage of them, but those that can look amazing. Where they really shine is when you track down one of the 16:9 models and can run stuff like OG Xbox games in widescreen. Now I can certainly understand the space and weight concerns. No arguments there that is for sure. I've got a couple of beast CRTs that top out over 200lbs myself. I get a new hernia every time I dust in the game room. XD
Please do another episode on 480i to 240p downscaling, Coury!
Great vid again, guys. Thanks.
I have a theory about the small sync glitches in downscaling mode. Maybe it's because the vertical refresh rate from the GBS-C is set too close to what the consoles are outputting.
ie. it might be expecting the source to be say 59.94Hz, but the consoles are outputting at exactly 60Hz.
So the two frame rates are very close to eachother, but still asyncronous, so it's spending a bit too long swapping the framebuffers when the incoming and outgoing frame rates "line up".
Like at 10:13, where the input to that scaler is async to the output.
Try changing the output refresh rate on the GBS-C to something else, like even 50 Hz (if your BVM accepts 50 Hz, probably?)
Just a thought, as it would be quick to test. ;)
Can't wait for the comparison with the new Retrotink 5x pro!
Gbs-c is great, only thing that is missing are lower resolutions for example 800*600 and 1024*768. They are needed if you would like to use it with 15 inch vga monitors.
I'd love for a comparison of true crt vs the best crt shaders in something like Retroarch. I feel the hardware purists instantly dismiss crt shaders (PVMs are expensive so they have a bias) but I've had amazing results that more than nullify my cravings to buy a real crt. I'm talking just image quality and authenticity, not input delay.
A PC is best suited to this kind of thing; with custom resolutions you can get games to scale perfectly
@Jimbo Bimbo Can you elaborate more? Please.
@Jimbo Bimbo Thank you.
Nice work Coury! An hour long video is a ton of work, well done sir!
Woooow awesome video!
Congrats for the great work!
If you ever decide to try a few more games, please include Blaster Master Zero to the list!
Awesome topic covered in a super thorough, entertaining and professional way. Awesome work as always. 👌
every time there's an increase in the technology of screen resolution, it becomes less and less impressive to me. but i went through and played Chrono trigger not too long ago, the graphics in Chrono Trigger are still impressive 20 years later. it's not about how powerful the graphical capabilities of a machine are, rather, how it's graphical capabilities are used.
I think this is a fun episode, thanks for making it Coury. It's somewhat interesting to me too because I'm making a software based 3D game engine for low resolutions that I specifically hoped to run on a CRT, and at true 240p would be nice too.
This video is so cool, thanks! (I still use a CRT TV, but not for gaming, they never break and I will keep using it as long as possible)
13:43 Speaking as a fella who plays widescreen gaming in 4:3, your "dark mirror" attitude is *FAAAARRRR* better than those who stretch 4:3 to widescreen.
Sometimes those 4:3 games even support 16:9 and they *STILL* stretch it.
Pure evil.
[Try4ce] Honestly I think it makes even more sense than Coury gave it credit for. When you think about all the Sega Genesis games that have skinny artwork when viewed in 4:3 on a CRT, seeing HD games slightly skinny on a CRT seems weirdly normal. Think about how the flowers in Sonic are oval. In Sonic Mania, they're honestly not looking that different from Genesis proportions here...
@@mylifeingaming To be honest, my widescreen in 4:3 viewing is more in pillarboxing rather than squeezing. I'd take cut-off HUD/UI over squashed footage.
Also, what is Try4ce?
[Try4ce] I'm just the other guy on the channel! We reply to comments with [Try4ce] or [Coury]!
Utilizing an HDMI/DisplayPort to VGA cable would be really interesting, and I plan on messing with it when I get my GBS Control. I have with VGA monitors to great effect, but never to other CRTs, let alone PVMs. For PC I mean, given the customizations allowed for various games etc.
You guys spoil us with these hour long videos. Thanks :)
God that song at 13:00 ...I'm playing that game right now and I completely adore this song.
Great find! I’ve been curious about downscaling for a while, good to know.
So you guys know that most of these games are also on PC? In which case you could install CRT Emudriver and force the correct output resolution AND refresh rate.
And you can build a perfectly capable PC for these 2D games for about the price of GBS control, and definitely cheaper than the other options.
Like I've played Blazing Chrome, Cyber Shadow, Oniken, Odallus, Sonic Mania, all with perfect 1:1 pixel scaling on my CRT. And no scaling lag to boot
And on PVM's without a 16:9 mode, you can tweak the underscan mode's geometry in the service menu, and make it a 16:9 mode. Which will then allow you to play all these games in the correct aspect ratio, and still have all 240 lines
Comment mvp right here. My transcoder from linuxbot3000 should be here in a week or two. :)
@@robbystrange4772 Yeah, it's a little disappointing to see all these popular youtubers, including RetroRGB Bob and John Linneman, trying these needlessly complex setups to attempt to get 240p on new stuff
@@lulkLogan yup. Just like with vga monitors you can use retroarch and crt switchres. Or an interlacing filter if you're susceptible to running 60hz on 120hz. It has great compatibility too.
@sonikchilidog that's why you play these on PC where you can make the correct custom resolution for each game so they look correct on a CRT
@sonikchilidog sometimes you have to figure out the resolution yourself if it's not on Pcgamingwiki. Easy enough to do by running on a 1x window, screenshot the window, paste that in something like MS Paint and check the properties for the size.
If the window has a border, you do need to subtract that from the count.
Since CRT's are 240p, any game that is 240 lines or lower in vetical resolution will work
burst of nostalgia from that gradius V music
Hey, I know you focused this episode on the GBS-C, but over on PC you can try running games with ReShade hooked on. It doesn't work for every game, only those that run in DX9/10/11, OpenGL or Vulkan *and* that don't already have a hook plugged in (like the Steam Overlay does), but if you can get it installed you've got access to a whole slew of shaders, in particular are various scanline/CRT shaders and the VirtualResolution shader. I've dabbled with directly halving my 1080p res with it before and even if it's not perfect, it's fun to play with. You guys could totally do a video detailing the intricacies of ReShade and how it can be used to really polish up a lot of games, especially earlier 3D titles. I've even used it on Daikatana myself.
So cool, love this one so much. I been playing new games on a WIDE CRT with S VIDEO, lots of games gain a special flavor with CRT, specially horror games, like Evil Within, RE 7, Outlast or Alien Isolation, also Dark Souls, specially 1 & 2, Minit, Undertale, Celeste, a lot of modern pixel games looks amazing.
For the overscan, couldn't you have fixed the boundries in console settings?
Hardcorps Uprising at least still looks great at 480i, had fun playing it on my CRT, great video as always guys
no love for River City Melee : Battle Royal Special, Assault Suit Leynos or Pharoah Rebirth Cory?
I can see this thing being being useful for someone who has a CRT but doesn’t want to go to a LCD, and still wants to play modern games.
GBS control let’s goooo. I HEAVILY modded mine. When I was looking into scalers a while back it was between this and the retrotink. Ultimately chose this cause 1. Waaay cheaper. 2. I personally don’t like how soft the retrotink outputs, at least when I saw it a while back, in fairness it may have changed by now.