PoE Complete Lore Series: Thaumaturgy and Virtue Gems (Skill Gems)
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Since the creation of the Beast, thaumaturgists on Wraeclast and Oriath have harnessed the power of Nightmare, manifested in the form of gems. Some civilizations praised it, some condemned it, but the magic of Virtue Gems is what allows us to advance our journey.
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Wait, so Doryani yolo slammed and krangled the entire vaal civilization looking for that lucky immortality implicit? Biggest balls ever.
Nothing like that yolo apocalypse
Theory: The gems impact on us IS the passive skill tree, since we do not have the passive powers before we first use virtue gems in Wraeclast i would guess this is a representation of the corrupting power we gain from wielding them and passively feeding souls into them by slaying monsters
If you skip tutorial you can unlock the passive skill tree without even picking up a gem
This is a beautiful explination of the slow corruption of our exiles mind and soul using the power these gems possess
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You are teaching your cat Thaumaturgy.
That's how humanity end.
On another.
3:20 and here we are, 3 years later, learning of mortal origins of Sin and Innocence from Lycia. Thanks, Beidat
Dominus: "This world is an illusion, exile"
The Beast, the source of gems and unimaginable power, has the power over dreams/nightmares.
Maps are sometimes referred as dreams.
While there are a lot of deviations, IMO those pieces were inspired by Lovecraftian mythos (who doesn't do it at this point, lol).
The Dreamland in his works is a realm allowing only those who are dreaming to enter, but is also a physical realm one can force one's way in.
"This world is an illusion" may be a reference to Azathoth, kind of.
17:50 good question.
In the "Conquest of the Atlas", Zana lamented how those who enter the maps will crave more power. This is a snarky commentary at the players, no doubt, but can also be an effect of skill gems. Hungering for power, just like Kitava hungers for physical things.
Gems vs Jewels.
Gems can be slotted into gears. Jewels can be slotted into the passive tree.
Where is the passive tree? It's not an item we know of. I can only think that the passive tree is within one's body, and thus, the jewels are slotted directly into the body.
I would guess that mana is a representation of one's own life force. Stronger the person is, more life force they can spare for thaumaturgy without severe repercussions. Let's say that player's mana pool is the amount of expendable life force that replenishes on its own, using any more would cause harm so our character restricts themselves from doing that (unless they dabble into blood magic), which is why we can't continue using virtue gems without replenishing mana first.
It would also explain why skill gems demand more mana the further you imbue them with support gems - more power requires further sacrifice. Of course it could just be a gameplay mechanic, but it makes sense in lore as well.
I guess the difference between using implanted gems and like the Exile does it would be like becoming a cyborg with a nuclear reactor in your chest as opposed to just using gadgets the old-fashioned way.
The word "mana" in its original language, can mean something like "supernatural force/power".
I simply think "mana" as expandable energy.
Interesting, it also makes sense with all of these archmage stuff scaling damage of unreserved mana and increasing the mana costs - as a coil or a conduit - the wider the flow - the stronger the impact
Typically Mana is a representation of one's own spiritual energy, akin to Chi. Goku goes super saiyan and has to eat/rest after. We too need time for our Mana to recover in order to utilize it further. Also want to say that I'm really happy you decided to do this series, I think the coverage of PoE's lore over the years has been severely lacking. The world and it's numerous stories have always fascinated me and I love seeing others' interpretation or perspective.
Nicely written! Was about to write something similar myself. Most spiritual doctrines have their own name for this energy that allows life. Like you said, Chi, Prana, Mana - same thing. The word "mana" originates from christian doctrines, describing the same concept of life energy.
Okay, this one is now my favorite video. The entire idea of Thaumaturgy is incredibly fascinating and you explained it so well. Absolutely fantastic.
Poe2 on his way, i had to watch your 11 lore vids. Can't wait for the "zana" lore
Perfect to listen to while grinding!
Me: "what's I.C.?"
Kitten: ...
Me: "I see!"
I'm still learning about PoE lore, and didn't see all of your series but I have a recurring thought about how humans can become god's or use magic.. In the beginning Sin (a Primal God) was "burn" and his ashes were scattered around the world and humas "consumed" him, whenever you Slay a God (minor or not) Sin extracts their essence.. a Smoke that resemble Sin Itself.. maybe that is what "corrupts" human kind and how a few people can connect/commune with the Beast onece it was created
This will forever be for me the official narrator of the lore of PoE. I look forward to all of the new videos we can except to see when PoE2 comes out 😂
I have found this hidden treasure of a channel today and not only that I've enjoyed the content, I also enjoy the voice that exposed the lore to all of us. I will follow you on twitch also and hope you will play the game once the new league is introduced. Great job on all of your videos and thank you for your dedication on the lore.
I'm definitely glad your channel exists. I get impatient while leveling and end up skipping tons of dialogue. I always tell myself I'm gonna make a character to go through the game slower and actually pay attention more, but ultimately I never do.
Thank you, Noodle, for doing this. These lores and your narrative are absolutely fatastic.
Such magic was beyond my understanding but I learned some new things :3 so thank ya Noodle & the Patrons
In-game jewels may be simple magical trinkets (talismans, charms etc), as any other magic item. Only kept in the pockets, not worn as separate items
Really awesome videos. I was always looking for some Poe lore pierced together. Found your channel and I can't stop watching. 10/10
amazing work of you putting the lore together in context - thank you and keep the good work on !
So... just a theory, but what if jewels were actually gems we embed into our skin? I mean... it maybe kind off makes sense, since it’s mentioned everywhere but never actually introduced as game mechanic.
But those are just my personal toughts on the matter.
It could be! That's definitely something people have done. I hope not, as that seems to have driven many people crazy but...we might be crazy
This was my thought. Maybe the slots, are like a tattoo or a physical thaumaturgical device that gets imbedded. TBF regrets let you get rid of it, so it can't be that bad right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thaumaturgy before "the Beast" may be something like a god pyramid. Humans-to-be-gods have powers from Gods-born, AND Gods-born may have powers from something else, like Elder. Just a theory thou.
It could be that "thaumaturgy" is a process much older than the Beast. But with all of the god-entities being subdued, the only thing that thaumaturgy could be applied to for centuries *was* the Beast. Language is mutable, so the two concepts could've become synonymous, over time, when they really aren't. Especially after the fall of the Vaal and all of their knowledge mostly lost.
As an example, maybe thaumaturgy has something to do with the processes of becoming a god. Before the Beast, mortals could ascend to deities... but Malachai wasn't able to ascend even though he really should have. Only through interacting with the Beast could he even approximate the ascension.
The priest when u keep running out keeps saying needs more will
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Always excited for these. Thanks for your thorough research!
Thank you for this amazing lore serie cant wait for the next video stay safe out there !
Thank you so much for doing these videos!
From my understanding thaumaturgy is 'all magic'(with the original definition), there was god's magic and later virtue gems magic created by the beast( maybe there were some other kids that we don't know of yet). So as Sin said, people would have risen up to the status of gods, so maybe that's how they were able to use magic before they could have shiny gems in their morning serial for easy access.
This is the most monotone half-hour I've ever suffered through. 😧
Just found your channel yesterday and finish watching the first 10 act lore. Thanks for these videos, have been rushing all acts since I started playing this game in 3.0 and Everytime I try to read or follow the lore it feels really overwhelming. Looking forward to the atziri, izaros, shaper/elder and any other lore videos you got planned. Also I would like to know if there is any extra lore about the playable characters besides what in their description on the character selection.
The 3 you mentioned are exactly (in order, even) the next planned videos! I was thinking of including a "mini" series on interesting characters, like Tasuni or Catarina. If you have suggestions I'm always open to them! And thanks for watching the videos!!
I know there is quite a bit of dialogue based lore between NPCs and the individual character classes as well as verbal reactions that the classes have to various environmental lore, for example the Marauder has unique dialogue at every one of the Karui writing monuments in Act 1
This lore series is my jam.
You can also see these virtue gems called dreamstones in the Sandman comic series from DC. Having indescrible powers as you said. Behaving in a very similar or identical manner as you have described at 9:35.
Looking around the Harry potter universe you can also see the traumatically use of virtue gems in Wands. called "cores" refining the energy to grand devastating effects
Because these (fictional) universes don't cross this means the original sourse for these stories have their roots from a historical event.
Awesome cat cameo
Hey Noodle, I know this video is two years old but I just had a thought out of nowhere after rewatching this recently regarding mana and the elder’s influence on wraeclast before our arrival.
The keystone node for energy shield protecting your mana is called eldritch battery. Always has been, long before the elder was ever introduced into the game. Perhaps mana isn’t just a game design mechanic, but rather the ability to tap into the eldritch realm and pull the power out to cast spells and fuel the virtue gems. The Vaal use blood, while we use magic from another realm. Either that, or energy shield is eldritch in nature and it protects our simple mana
I always viewed mana as being a factor of using gear for the gems. The mana is basically your gear using the gems instead of you. you use your gear to cast spells instead of vaals or abominations, who used their own blood.
The best example and use of thaumaturgical sacrifice gems is in the anime FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST BROTHERHOOD. man im good
Maybe cos taumaturgi is a thing of the gods and of dreams , made available to people by the beast.
Maybe the best is a Soure of magic for humans, not its origem
PoE's lore is so rich and fascinating
according to dannig in expedition league, the gem might just be a way for one to access their potential
Hey, looking at the playlist for these videos, could you make it in chronological order (oldest to newest)? Right now its newest to oldest, and I want to play this in order during work, thanks!
Im a little confused about Sin. He was born a god (primal god) but he was also a human at one point before being burned? Is the story of his mother and innocence just a fable to tell of their creation and not something that actually happened? He has a quote after the fall of Oriath, "Though I am a god, I have not forgotten my humanity. I care for that which I once was." Can someone clarify that?
Actually Sin and Innocence were born as humans. Sin became a god at his death
here is an interesting question, if the player kills the beast, the source of all thaumaturgy in act 4, how can we still make use of virtue gems and our power?
as far as i know the exile is dependant on the gems, and for example the conquerors of the atlas an elder and shaper utilised the "world" inside the map device to do something similar to thaumaturgy but on a much larger scale
Sorry I missed your question! So, the gems exist outside of the beast. The beast created the gems in those mines/the mountain of Highgate by simply "exuding" thaumaturgy (excreting maybe, haha) and then we utilize them.
But even further, acts 6-10 reveal the beast wasn't completely destroyed. There is a core of it left, this "dark ember" that has been broken up into the revived souls of shavronne, maligaro, and doedre that we must collect to somewhat restore the beast.
so after all this about the gems having maddening and transforming effects if worn too close to the body or perhaps for too long
makes you wonder if that had anything to do with the exiles that went mad going into the atlas too often in the new update
Totally! Considering they were powerful enough to defeat the Elder; I think it's both meta commentary on the power creep but also they were so obsessed with power that they could've been corrupted by the gems as well
Kitten Cat Noodle yub def a combo of the gems power and the map devices influence who we know influenced the Shaper to what he is now
I think I know the answer to this already... but is there any kind of lore explanation behind why certain region vendors have access to specific gems or is it only a game mechanic. Obviously the "level" and "stat" requirements are mechanical in nature, but is the availability of the variety of gems equally mechanical? Obviously Siosa and Lily particularly have further than ordinary "reach" when it comes to what they have access to, but is that the extent of implied (or explicit) lore on such a concept?
I actually don't know! I couldn't find any in game dialogue addressing this. Lilly says she has gems because of her travels, but many of the people we get gems as rewards from make no mention of it and have no connection to using gems. It's an interesting question tho!
@@KittenCatNoodle and often the rewards for missions, the quest-giver mentions having whatever just lying around, which also makes sense. What's also interesting is that the merchants determine what to sell you based on your class... until you reach Siosa and then nobody seems to care anymore. It makes some sense that a scholar like Siosa might have also accumulated a large assortment of gems just like Lily.
I was also considering the rotation of new skill gems into existing merchant stocks (whenever GGG creates new skills) and curious if they might ever establish lore as to HOW they actually come to exist. Again, I'm sure it's all chalked up to game mechanics, but it would be cool if they just even threw a random line of lore somewhere alluding to it
Given that gems were drop-only aside from quest rewards for the first couple years of PoE's existence, I'd say gem vendors are purely a gameplay mechanic.
My guess would be that since gems had been used a lot before the cataclysm, a lot of undead just wear gems, giving vendors the oppertunity to “find” them. Also, I imagine they become more common in richer places, and the closer you got to the beast, and the cause of all thaumaturgy, since that also is the place where the gems are mined.
I heard Vorici from back before Betrayal had some interesting lore regarding the socketting of virtue gems in armor, but it doesn't seem like his dialogue was preserved anywhere. :(
I know! He did have info but unfortunately I didn't start this project until after betrayal. Such a bummer
@@KittenCatNoodle oriath.net/Masters/Vorici/
Here you go :D
Found it recently, after 2 years when I first wanted to re-hear Janus Perandus voice lines)
I wonder , who was the actuall mother of Sin and Innocence? Kalandra maybe? and who was the father? Probably he was some ancient God, whose name was forgotten a long long ago...
I think Jewels are smaller shards of Virtue Gems and Slotting a Jewel Socket on the tree is old school implanting of Virtue Gems on your flesh. Notice how the Scion starts extremely close to several jewel slots and as a noble it would be fashionable for her to implant them into her flesh.
Finally some1 with (pardon me)"balls" to make sense of POE lore. GJ exile i like it a lot :)
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Dear Noodle, thanks for the series, it's very helpful. However, I believe, you have a factual mistake in this video.
Sin was not born as a god according to his own words. To quote the wiki, in Fall of Oriath he says "Though I am a god, I have not forgotten my humanity. I care for that which I once was."
If you read the stained glass in act 5, the glass 6-8 tells how sin was burned at the stake, sin became ash that filled every person. "Innocence watched sin take root in the bodies of men and women and children" and "as this titan of Sin rose to its many feet, innocence knew the village was lost." I believe the story is an allegory for how Sin is "part" of humanity while Innocence is "above" humanity.
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Anyone remember the time Winnie the Pooh did a song and dance about Stranger Danger?
niña play some backing music or something it feels I'm at a ted talk
I really hate that the thing I wanted to know the most
How our exile uses gems without sacrifices or implanting them
And it's just hand waved away?
Seriously disappointed if this isn't explained at some point.
Poe2 on his way, i had to watch your 11 lore vids. Can't wait for the "zana" lore