I don't think he hated her more than anyone. He actually took her advice at times if you read the series that includes choices of one (she implies that ozzel is corrupt and that vader should keep him on a tight leash and keep an eye on him, which actually is what led to Vader killing him ultimately). Also I'm pretty sure he hated Xizor more. In some ways I even wonder if he had some form of twisted pity for her, since she operated under false pretenses while Vader knew that it was a game set up by the emperor.
I always loved this dynamic and remember the first Star Wars comic I ever read being the one where the Dark Lady was fought by Vader. I had read other books before that but never any of the comics. Something else I love is that her affection for Palpatine never goes away. Even years later, married to Luke and essentially leading the New Jedi Order with Luke, she still would say things like "Well the atrocities of the Emperor Reborn wasn't the real Emperor because my Emperor wouldn't ever do that" and yeah, I'm paraphrasing heavily. Point is, she never loses that "Daddy's little girl" feeling. Palpatine was the best manipulator in Star Wars.
If I were Palpatine I would have done the same. Some people perform better if they believe their master feels affection towards them (even though this implies they are still naive) Others perform well under fear and threats. Find out which person you are dealing with btw the two, and the game's won. There are also people who know their master doesn’t genuinely care about them, yet they prefer some kind of faked love rather than nothing at all. People are complicated
It's not because people are complicated, but rather some people are successfully more manipulative than others - including psychopaths and narcissist -which was the case of Palpatine who built an "entire career" basically sustained by manipulation and deception. I doubt Jade was conscious the was just a puppet on Palpatine's hands. After all, for many years he tricked even an entire jedi order. And Vader was irritated an jealous, obviously, as this was one other way for the emperor to expect more results from him as result and also keeping him on the line, or as people say, a short leash. Palpatine, opposite to Bane who created the rule of two, never had the intention of being the master for eternity, at the extreme, the only sith in the entire universe after achieving his so desperately desired/wanted immortality.
Vader hated Mara Jade because Palpatine trusted her more than he did Vader. He made her his personal hand to deal with the person matters that Palpatine didn't even trust Vader with. I bet Palpatine knew that there was some importance to Mara Jade, which is why he kept her around. Palpatine probably took delight in knowing Vader didn't like Jade.. if it didn't interfere with his plans, Palpatine overlooked such things
if anyone wants to know what books to start with for more on Mara jade i'd recommend " allegiances" and "choices of one" seem about half of this video is pulled from it. also if your a stormtrooper Fan, these two books have just about the most in depth look into troopers next to "battlefront"
another fun one thank you!~ i didnt know much about Mara Jade since im still working through the novels! i just did Darth Plagueis and enjoyed that one.
This story of Mara Jade, Darth Vader, and Emperor Palpatine(aka Darth Sidious) is something similar to the story of Zuko, Azula and Ozai from Avatar The Last Air Bender
I feel like this does a good job of showing how Legends Vader was different. Canon Vader, I feel, would have ignored her, because he just doesn't care, but in Legends, he could have more fire in him; still have motivations, and plans for the future, which Mara interfered with. I know some fans never liked Mara Jade, and I'm pretty sure even George Lucas has gone on record as saying she's his least favorite Legends character he didn't create, but I did like her, and I feel like it could have been cool for her to Thrawn her way back into canon. For me, she's a great example of Luke taking what was good about the Jedi, but then also seeing the flaws, and trying to improve upon them. Jedi needed to still be people, and form bonds, regardless of what Lucas might say.
Timothy Zahn should have been given carte blanche during the EU days, it's criminal he wasn't spearheading the whole thing. When they rebooted the canon, he should have been consulted and been part of the story team from the beginning. It's kinda stupid how many experienced Star Wars authors just get ignored just because they're not screenplay writers.
Forming bonds always made the Jedi weaker. It was a path to failure. They bonded themselves to the Republic Senate, and it ended them. They always should have stood alone. An ally, but not a puppet.
@@willdavis3802 Yet the fact that they were so detached was the reason Aura Sing became one of the most ruthless mercenaries/Jedi killers in the galaxy
The only reason Lucas disliked her was he didn't believe Jedi should marry, but I don't think he hated her, just disliked her role once the relationship was established.
Now I'm just picturing Vader as like a sitcom dad having to deal with his kids marrying his boss's little princess and a delinquent smuggler. The mental image of Vader in Archie Bunker's chair is especially amusing to me for some reason.
"I'm a fighter. I've always been a fighter. The few times when I have been at leisure, I've been miserable. I want challenges, I crave them." - Mara Jade
I Believe that Vader would have Been the One Treated So Well had He Not Failed on Mustafar Against Kenobi. Think About it, Before Vader Failed on Mustafar He was Being Treated Just as Well by Sidious as Mara would One Day Be. It wasn't Until After Mustafar that Sidious Started Treating Him So Badly. Sidious Still had Use for Vader Because He was Still Powerful, But He would Never Again be Treated Like His Prized Pupil. A Sad Story, But it Always is where Evil is Involved.
It may just be my disliking of Vader, but he sounded more like he was jelouse of her. I feel like this was a holdover of Anikin. He was always jealous of what others had or was treated...
Vader has a tendency to antagonize his family members. He hates his daughter (Leia), he fights his son (Luke), and clearly he resented Mara (his daughter in law).
Wonder if ANAKIN coulda had much different feelings then Vader had... since the 2 was basically 2 distinct an very different personalities that didn't care for each other in the same body... Vader's basically the ultimate sci-fi Scitzofrenic.. Dunno WHY Vader hated her so much..seeing as even Palpatine REPEATEDLY kept trying to tell an get Vader to measure up to an be basically the Operational Emperor of the Empire in preparation should the day be needed Vader DID become the Emperor of the Empire in continuation of the Rule of 2.. probably kinda like narrated it'd push Vader to become MORE powerful in the Darkside.. or so Palpatine probably hoped in his weird Love Hate relationship with Vader. Anakin an Mara as Luke's wife were 2 different people though... Funny how close Sideous always is to the Skywalker family.... wonder how Palpatine woulda felt knowing what she finally became AND that he sorta became a TOTALLY unintended, or unwanted, matchmaker for them too
It fits in with Palpatine's personality, whether or not it was ultimately good for the Empire. I doubt it would have made a difference. If Vader knew she'd be his son's wife, either he'd be amused that he finally is above her or jealous that she's above him in Luke's life.
rots novelization says he wanted to kill sidious the moment he revealed himself as the sith lord. cause anakin knew that meant he was behind all the attacks on padme, the war, the death of millions
I get a lot of flak for it, but Mara Jade is one of my favorite Star Wars characters. Her story and character progression in the EU (legends) comics and books was always so cool and badass to me. A few of my friends hate her character just because George Lucas said he does, which I always call them on when they give me flak for liking her.
People just love throwing George's name around. Look 9 times out of 10, I agree with the guy (for example Ashoka should've died during or before Order 66) but if one's opinion is purely based off the creator's opinion, then you have no leg to stand on imo
I think the only reason why Vader should have hated Mara Jade was her directly undermining him and slowing him down. All of the other reasons mentioned wasn't her fault.
i can understand not liking someone but i agree with him hating her.there are few things more annoying than knowing your better than someone else having the facts and being stopped from talking it out on them.out and out conflict and conflict that can end or at lest be open is always better than cold war conflict.
Vader " Mara Jade is a unworthy egotistical little Hutt spawn " Luke " So you don't want to meet your grandchildren? " Vader " You and Her? You lucky Ba- "
Honestly she should have been in force awakens.. I remember in the comics that she was married to Luke it would have made sense that she would have been around Luke... It's like the new films like deleted everything that happened in the comics.... Just like how in the newer films there was no mention of Kyle I'll from the jedi Knight video games who was a student of Luke Skywalker!!
Funny most of people close to Luke often crossed paths with Vader previously. Pretty sure Leia had quite the opinion of Mara Jade though hate would be putting it too strongly
I've always wanted a show or series of movies of the dynamics between Mara Jade and Vader and Luke, but seeing the way Disney has gone, I don't want them to destroy another great character. She was always one of my favorites.
Sidious never had any intention of ever replacing Vader. There is nobody in the whole entire galaxy that is even remotely close to being a quarter of Vader's power let alone someone powerful enough to actually be a threat to him. You want to be Sidious's new apprentice, then you will have to defeat Vader, which is beyond impossible for anyone to ever achieve, since Vader and his power are unrivaled. Even Mara Jade is really weak and pathetic compared to Vader, a true sith juggernaut.
@@timothybarrett7626Galen and Luke would be good choices if Sidious was actually looking for a far weaker apprentice than Vader. Yeah Luke and Galen would be powerful but they wouldn't even come remotely close to being as powerful as Vader was. Nobody matches Vader's unfathomable power in the darkside and skill with the lightsaber and that's why Sidious never did or intended on ever replacing Vader, his only true and worthy apprentice.
@@detroitmade6 Finally someone who actually understands that Starkiller is so overrated. I do agree Luke would be a powerful darkside user and apprentice for Sidious but based on everything we saw from Vader and the very enormous power he wielded, there is absolutely no way Luke would ever come close to being as powerful as that. Vader's unending power in the darkside rivaled and even potentially surpassed Sidious himself, something Luke could never achieve, even with the darkside
What was not said here was that Palpatine listened to Mara Jade and trusted her judgement, so it would have been expected of Vader to hate Mara because Palpatine used her so successfully and he would sometimes reward her success rate. However, yes, there was that sadistic part of the Emperor that always enjoyed pitting Vader and Jade against each other for his own private amusement. 🤔
RPG/ fanfiction from my last gaming shop 16years ago ran the " Imperial Family or All Who Is in the Family." Welcome to the Family. Vader, the moody older brother or Uncle that tinkers on his hot rods, goes on joyride racing. The Nieces, the Nephews, the Cousins " inner party members. " Social moths " political social agents " friends of Palpatine from the Old Days before the senate. Aunts/Uncles. Administrating staff officers and other socialites. (n/Pcs) The player characters rising up the ranks. Palpatine, grand uncle/godfather. Calls up Maul each month to sassy him in being an under productive crime lord. You were the closes first son I had, then you lost your ass to Kenobi. Then, well, there is your brother my second dearest son Anakin. Sadly he be missed, then .. there is Vader. We see how well he turn out after Kenobi, .. twice. After all this time I have yet to experience what it is like to be a grandfather. How have you not yet adopted an .. new .. apprentice ? Waiting to hear from you. -- Palpatine .. Father. Most times, spies/agents hack Mauls system and plays Palpatine voice over the intercoms. 2.) Palpatine's main problem is none of the Force Users under his command has the level/skill ranking in cross skills to take over and run the empire. The Sith Rule of Two or the Old Way was no longer in effect since the last War a thousand years ago. Any darkside user or want a be Sith or those barely trained went into hiding and smuggling practice just to avoid drawing the Jedi attention, breeding bloodlines that only survive and profit by teamwork family loyalty. If Palpatine set up or order two or more to kill each other in duel or snipping. They first work it out themselves and giving each other access codes. " You kill me, then you have to deal with my mess of henchmen, agents, contacts, and funds I have put away."
I agree with Vader, she's a complete joke and is unworthy to be at Sidious's side. Unlike Mara Jade, Vader is worthy and is a sith juggernaut who wields unfathomable amounts of power, the true and only apprentice to stand by Sidious. The funniest part is she actually thought she would one day be Sidious's new apprentice even though that is beyond impossible. Mara Jade is so weak and pathetic compared to Vader. Vader's insanely enormous and unending darkside power rivals and even surpasses Sidious himself, the most powerful force user to ever exist, while Mara Jades power is not even equal to a Jedi masters.
Weak and pathetic compared to Vader? You mean the guy who's gotten bitched multiple times both in EU and Disney canon? You mentioned she's not worthy but what makes her any less worthy than Maul, Dooku, Vader or Luke? Also you're right. She's not as strong as most Jedi Masters. She's stronger
@@connorharnage6697 Did you forget that maul got defeated by Obi wan who at the time was a Jedi Padawan. Its completely true that Maul and Dooku were not worthy to be a sith or at Sidious's side. Sidious only used both of them to get the ultimate apprentice which was Anakin Skywalker the chosen one, who later became Darth Vader. Also Mara Jade was eventually killed by Darth Vader's grandson Jacen Solo, who was Leia Skywalkers and and Han Solo's child. You ask what makes Vader more worthy and I'll tell you. It's not only because Vader's power in the darkside is completely unrivaled and unfathomable, making Mauls, Dookus and Mara Jades power look like a tiny speck of sand compared to his which is a whole ocean but it was also the fact that Vader was created by the force itself, to bring balance, something Vader would untimently do in the end. Vader by his peak was many times more powerful than Revenge of the Sith Sidious. Yes the same Sidious who easily killed the most powerful members of the Jedi council and later on defeated Yoda in a 1v1 duel. Again Prime Vader was more powerful than many of those Sidious's combined, so yeah Mara Jade can't even hold a tiny candle to vader. If Mara was more powerful than a Jedi master then why didn't Sidious let her hunt down the dark woman, a very powerful surviving Jedi master, surely it would be a good test for her. It's obvious, Mara Jade isn't even close to being powerful enough to defeat one of the most powerful surviving Jedi still alive, there is no question that Mara would've definitely been slaughtered beyond easily by the dark woman. That's why Sidious sent his 2nd in command, the most powerful alley he has at his disposal and the greatest Jedi killer of all time to take care of her, and Vader did deliver. After a duel, he defeated the very powerful jedi master, dropping an entire tree on her, then cutting her down with his crimson blade. Like Vader said to the defeated dark woman, her might is nothing compared to his. So even if Mara Jade was more powerful than a Jedi master which she is definitely not, it is still not that impressive at all. Anakin's old apprentice Ashoka was equal if not more powerful than a Jedi master and she would completely ragdoll Mara Jade easily. Last but not least, everyone knows that against Luke Vader was conflicted and was seriously holding back. Even Luke himself would mention later on what Vader could've really done to him if he wasn't holding back against the only family he had left.
@@M_03256 I'm not just talking Obi Wan. Are we forgetting about Galen Marek, his clone, Celeste Morne and her Rakghouls, Roblio Darte, Sia-Lan Wezz, Ma'kis'-Shaalas, Koffi Ariana and Jastus Farr who all jumped him on Kessel and obviously Luke Skywalker (holding back or not, Luke still beat him) You do realize Vader bringing balance to the Force would make him the worst choice to be a Sith yeah? Since balance in Star Wars is the destruction of the Sith You say that as if Sidious is this really powerful opponent or something. He does not compare to the likes of Nihilus or Krayt so if you could find a way for Vader to beat them, I'd be impressed. Mara on the other hand was trained by and arguably as skilled as Kyle Katarn, ya know one of the best Jedi not named Luke Skywalker or Revan? That's nothing to sneeze at You're cherry picking. That was when Mara was a lot weaker. Jedi Mara is easily stronger than she ever was during her time at Sidious's side. And I'm not arguing who's more powerful as Sith. We're going peak to peak here. I only asked about the "worthy Sith bit" because that made no sense to me. Also if you think Ashoka can beat ANYONE from Luke's Jedi Order, I'm sorry. You're just wrong. She has shown nothing that puts her above them
@@connorharnage6697 Think whatever you want to but facts are facts. Also all the ancient sith are extremely overrated and far weaker than the modern ones like Vader and Sidious. The truth is Vader has far more victories than losses in both Disney canon and legends, Especially against powerful surviving Jedi. Vader defeated and killed Jedi master Roan Shryne, Jedi master Kirak Infil'a, Jedi master Bol Chatak, Jedi master An'ya Kuro also known as the the dark woman, Jedi master Eeth Koth. Jedi Knight Sia-Lan Wezz, Jedi Knight Ma'kis'shaalas, Jedi Master Shadday Potkin, Jedi Master Koffi Arana, Jedi knight Iwo Kulka, Jedi knight Siadem Fort, Jocasta Nu, Cere Junda, Jedi Knight Kento Marek. Vader defeated Jedi knight Cho'na Bene but let him live, Bene was eventually killed by a blaster bolt from an imperial officer, Vader also killed his master beforehand who's name is unfortunately unknown. These are only some of the surviving Jedi Vader hunted down and killed post order 66, Mustafar.
It is ironic that later Mara Jade became his daughter-in-law by marrying his son Luke. However, it was obvious that his anguish was due to the fact that he was jealous of her position, privilege the lack of equality that the emperor did not show Vader.
If i was vader honestly i would have not wasted the haste on the woman qs much as hate palatine decidesion for not educate the person on sith identity 101 and if i was palatine honestly i would trend more carefully on how to annoy someone like vader because he was never meant to be controlled by anyone or anything to begin with
@@Tuturial464don't worry they already Incorporated bits of Legends into Disney by the way Luke all we can't figure out which girl he wants to impregnant his dad's old apprentice Ahsoka or his childhood friend Cami like it said decisions decisions
@@michakoniecpolski5677It’s funny how yall always drag Black People into your arguments. They really live rent free in your mind huh? Do you wake up and go to bed thinking about Black People?
The only worthy replacement for Vader would be .. Leia. Palpatine, " For all the Skywalkers you and I are the most in common. We are both politicians, that is our true power."
I don’t blame Vader for his hatred of Mara Jade, but I do feel it was misdirected. I think Vader should have known, by then, how much the Emperor delighted in tormenting him. It wasn’t ablut improving the Empire. It was about keeping Vader “in his place .”
I can understand why he hated her so much. It didn't help Empire. I understand why Palpatine did this. But it didn't help and improve the Empire. May the Force be with you too😊
Only the strongest can cast aside disrespect without attachment. You must train your mind to not seek approval or feel the need to be a part of social confines. In essence be self reliant in all forms not just life skills, but mental.
What if they Made Marajade and Luke canon and if they had twins in secret Mara would train the twins and luke would only train Ben and the few other force sensitives. It was so secretive not even Leah knew of it only R2D2
Ghost Anakin looking onto Mara and Luke’s relationship like: This some old Bullsh!t…
No wonder Vader resents Mara Jade. Palpatine is basically treating her like a daddy’s girl.
#truestory
Luke Skywalker: hey, dad meet my wife.
Force ghost anakin: I have no son
I can just picture it
I don't think he hated her more than anyone. He actually took her advice at times if you read the series that includes choices of one (she implies that ozzel is corrupt and that vader should keep him on a tight leash and keep an eye on him, which actually is what led to Vader killing him ultimately). Also I'm pretty sure he hated Xizor more. In some ways I even wonder if he had some form of twisted pity for her, since she operated under false pretenses while Vader knew that it was a game set up by the emperor.
Oh yeah he absolutely hated Xizor more
I always loved this dynamic and remember the first Star Wars comic I ever read being the one where the Dark Lady was fought by Vader. I had read other books before that but never any of the comics.
Something else I love is that her affection for Palpatine never goes away. Even years later, married to Luke and essentially leading the New Jedi Order with Luke, she still would say things like "Well the atrocities of the Emperor Reborn wasn't the real Emperor because my Emperor wouldn't ever do that" and yeah, I'm paraphrasing heavily. Point is, she never loses that "Daddy's little girl" feeling.
Palpatine was the best manipulator in Star Wars.
If I were Palpatine I would have done the same.
Some people perform better if they believe their master feels affection towards them (even though this implies they are still naive)
Others perform well under fear and threats.
Find out which person you are dealing with btw the two, and the game's won.
There are also people who know their master doesn’t genuinely care about them, yet they prefer some kind of faked love rather than nothing at all.
People are complicated
It's not because people are complicated, but rather some people are successfully more manipulative than others - including psychopaths and narcissist -which was the case of Palpatine who built an "entire career" basically sustained by manipulation and deception. I doubt Jade was conscious the was just a puppet on Palpatine's hands. After all, for many years he tricked even an entire jedi order. And Vader was irritated an jealous, obviously, as this was one other way for the emperor to expect more results from him as result and also keeping him on the line, or as people say, a short leash. Palpatine, opposite to Bane who created the rule of two, never had the intention of being the master for eternity, at the extreme, the only sith in the entire universe after achieving his so desperately desired/wanted immortality.
Got no love for Han, he becomes his son in law, got no love for Mara, she becomes his daughter in law. 😂
Vader hated Mara Jade because Palpatine trusted her more than he did Vader. He made her his personal hand to deal with the person matters that Palpatine didn't even trust Vader with. I bet Palpatine knew that there was some importance to Mara Jade, which is why he kept her around. Palpatine probably took delight in knowing Vader didn't like Jade.. if it didn't interfere with his plans, Palpatine overlooked such things
if anyone wants to know what books to start with for more on Mara jade i'd recommend " allegiances" and "choices of one"
seem about half of this video is pulled from it.
also if your a stormtrooper Fan, these two books have just about the most in depth look into troopers next to "battlefront"
I can see this happening the spirit of anakin appearing before his daughter in law just to ask for a friendly duel to settle the score
another fun one thank you!~ i didnt know much about Mara Jade since im still working through the novels! i just did Darth Plagueis and enjoyed that one.
This story of Mara Jade, Darth Vader, and Emperor Palpatine(aka Darth Sidious) is something similar to the story of Zuko, Azula and Ozai from Avatar The Last Air Bender
I feel like this does a good job of showing how Legends Vader was different. Canon Vader, I feel, would have ignored her, because he just doesn't care, but in Legends, he could have more fire in him; still have motivations, and plans for the future, which Mara interfered with. I know some fans never liked Mara Jade, and I'm pretty sure even George Lucas has gone on record as saying she's his least favorite Legends character he didn't create, but I did like her, and I feel like it could have been cool for her to Thrawn her way back into canon. For me, she's a great example of Luke taking what was good about the Jedi, but then also seeing the flaws, and trying to improve upon them. Jedi needed to still be people, and form bonds, regardless of what Lucas might say.
No lie, she is one of my favorite characters.
Timothy Zahn should have been given carte blanche during the EU days, it's criminal he wasn't spearheading the whole thing. When they rebooted the canon, he should have been consulted and been part of the story team from the beginning. It's kinda stupid how many experienced Star Wars authors just get ignored just because they're not screenplay writers.
Forming bonds always made the Jedi weaker. It was a path to failure. They bonded themselves to the Republic Senate, and it ended them. They always should have stood alone. An ally, but not a puppet.
@@willdavis3802 Yet the fact that they were so detached was the reason Aura Sing became one of the most ruthless mercenaries/Jedi killers in the galaxy
The only reason Lucas disliked her was he didn't believe Jedi should marry, but I don't think he hated her, just disliked her role once the relationship was established.
Must have been a pretty awkward reunion when Mara’s force ghost met Anakin’s in the Netherworld of The Force 😅
I can imagine his reaction when Mara and Luke got married, something like: NOOOOOOO!
"This is outrageous this is so unfair"
@@havco501st7 That's life, Vader. And you can't deny it.
😊😅😂😂😂
Bro didn't even know that that was his future daughter-in-law
And he Already Hated Her 😮
that really is the Ultimate F you
well that and Rey burying his Lightsaber in the sand on Tatooine
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 At least everyone else likes Mara
Yay a Mara Jade video, thanks she's my favourite character and it's great to see her getting some attention.
Same here i wish they would make a series about her adventures
Now I'm just picturing Vader as like a sitcom dad having to deal with his kids marrying his boss's little princess and a delinquent smuggler. The mental image of Vader in Archie Bunker's chair is especially amusing to me for some reason.
"I'm a fighter. I've always been a fighter. The few times when I have been at leisure, I've been miserable. I want challenges, I crave them."
- Mara Jade
As a Sith it makes sense for Vader to feel this way but yeah Palpatine pushed it a bit too far. Going after Luke just made it worse.
Treachery is the way of the Sith
All the more reason for Vader to throw Palp off and kill him. Vader was boiling and waiting for that moment.
I Believe that Vader would have Been the One Treated So Well had He Not Failed on Mustafar Against Kenobi. Think About it, Before Vader Failed on Mustafar He was Being Treated Just as Well by Sidious as Mara would One Day Be. It wasn't Until After Mustafar that Sidious Started Treating Him So Badly. Sidious Still had Use for Vader Because He was Still Powerful, But He would Never Again be Treated Like His Prized Pupil. A Sad Story, But it Always is where Evil is Involved.
He hated his daughter in law before Luke dated her.
It may just be my disliking of Vader, but he sounded more like he was jelouse of her. I feel like this was a holdover of Anikin. He was always jealous of what others had or was treated...
@@NoOne-ev7vj Anakin was always trapped in Vader
Vader has a tendency to antagonize his family members. He hates his daughter (Leia), he fights his son (Luke), and clearly he resented Mara (his daughter in law).
@elmermedina1713- don't forget him freezing his son in law (Han Solo) in carbonite
Wonder if ANAKIN coulda had much different feelings then Vader had... since the 2 was basically 2 distinct an very different personalities that didn't care for each other in the same body... Vader's basically the ultimate sci-fi Scitzofrenic..
Dunno WHY Vader hated her so much..seeing as even Palpatine REPEATEDLY kept trying to tell an get Vader to measure up to an be basically the Operational Emperor of the Empire in preparation should the day be needed Vader DID become the Emperor of the Empire in continuation of the Rule of 2.. probably kinda like narrated it'd push Vader to become MORE powerful in the Darkside.. or so Palpatine probably hoped in his weird Love Hate relationship with Vader. Anakin an Mara as Luke's wife were 2 different people though...
Funny how close Sideous always is to the Skywalker family.... wonder how Palpatine woulda felt knowing what she finally became AND that he sorta became a TOTALLY unintended, or unwanted, matchmaker for them too
It fits in with Palpatine's personality, whether or not it was ultimately good for the Empire. I doubt it would have made a difference. If Vader knew she'd be his son's wife, either he'd be amused that he finally is above her or jealous that she's above him in Luke's life.
Now I know the real reason why Vader killed Palpatine.
rots novelization says he wanted to kill sidious the moment he revealed himself as the sith lord. cause anakin knew that meant he was behind all the attacks on padme, the war, the death of millions
Why?
I get a lot of flak for it, but Mara Jade is one of my favorite Star Wars characters. Her story and character progression in the EU (legends) comics and books was always so cool and badass to me. A few of my friends hate her character just because George Lucas said he does, which I always call them on when they give me flak for liking her.
Fans wanted Mara Jade and Jaina Solo not Rey!
No one wants Disney can but beta males.
People just love throwing George's name around. Look 9 times out of 10, I agree with the guy (for example Ashoka should've died during or before Order 66) but if one's opinion is purely based off the creator's opinion, then you have no leg to stand on imo
I think the only reason why Vader should have hated Mara Jade was her directly undermining him and slowing him down. All of the other reasons mentioned wasn't her fault.
Luke inherited the skywalker rizz
@The_Mecha_Archivist no wonder he wanted to leave Tattooine
Oh nah
he revolutionized 😏
The disappearance of Mara was the worst thing about Disney taking over. They should have stuck with Mickey and left Star Wars alone.
My favorite legends character. Loved when I got to play as her in Mysteries of the Sith.
i can understand not liking someone but i agree with him hating her.there are few things more annoying than knowing your better than someone else having the facts and being stopped from talking it out on them.out and out conflict and conflict that can end or at lest be open is always better than cold war conflict.
Vader " Mara Jade is a unworthy egotistical little Hutt spawn "
Luke " So you don't want to meet your grandchildren? "
Vader " You and Her? You lucky Ba- "
Hate does wonders for the soul 😂 Palpatine knew this and played them both against each other powering them both in the dark side
Now I want a video of every member of the Emperor's Hand.
Can you do a video on Jedi battle masters? 🙏🏼
Honestly she should have been in force awakens.. I remember in the comics that she was married to Luke it would have made sense that she would have been around Luke... It's like the new films like deleted everything that happened in the comics.... Just like how in the newer films there was no mention of Kyle I'll from the jedi Knight video games who was a student of Luke Skywalker!!
The most “I don’t care dad, I love her.” ever.
Funny most of people close to Luke often crossed paths with Vader previously. Pretty sure Leia had quite the opinion of Mara Jade though hate would be putting it too strongly
Well it’s usual among in laws lol😂
Classic joke about in-laws, not getting along. I’m sure, though he grew to love the fact that she became his daughter-in-law when he redeemed himself.
I've always wanted a show or series of movies of the dynamics between Mara Jade and Vader and Luke, but seeing the way Disney has gone, I don't want them to destroy another great character. She was always one of my favorites.
Scarlett Johansson as Mara Jade >>>>>>
Amazing.
I like to think that had Mara been found by the Jedi, the Dark Woman would be her master. It would be ironic.
Palp's favorite assassin becomes the wife of Luke.
Darth Vader in a disapproving breath "This bitch..."
Could only imagine what he would have mode his eventual son in law. Skywalker family reunion sounds hilarious 😂.
@@persuasivebarrier2419 lmao 🤣
It seems delusions of grandeur are a recurring theme in Star Wars😂
In Legends Sidious wanted a handful of people to replace Vader like Malgus, Galen Merek, And Luke yeah.
Galen and luke would have been great apprentices if they could be made "agreeable" somehow
Sidious never had any intention of ever replacing Vader. There is nobody in the whole entire galaxy that is even remotely close to being a quarter of Vader's power let alone someone powerful enough to actually be a threat to him. You want to be Sidious's new apprentice, then you will have to defeat Vader, which is beyond impossible for anyone to ever achieve, since Vader and his power are unrivaled. Even Mara Jade is really weak and pathetic
compared to Vader, a true sith juggernaut.
@@timothybarrett7626Galen and Luke would be good choices if Sidious was actually looking for a far weaker apprentice than Vader. Yeah Luke and Galen would be powerful but they wouldn't even come remotely close to being as powerful as Vader was. Nobody matches Vader's unfathomable power in the darkside and skill with the lightsaber and that's why Sidious never did or intended on ever replacing Vader, his only true and worthy apprentice.
@@M_03256Luke would be a good replacement Galen not so much the games kinda over hype his feats
@@detroitmade6 Finally someone who actually understands that Starkiller is so overrated. I do agree Luke would be a powerful darkside user and apprentice for Sidious but based on everything we saw from Vader and the very enormous power he wielded, there is absolutely no way Luke would ever come close to being as powerful as that. Vader's unending power in the darkside rivaled and even potentially surpassed Sidious himself, something Luke could never achieve, even with the darkside
Still wish we could have seen her in canon
What was not said here was that Palpatine listened to Mara Jade and trusted her judgement, so it would have been expected of Vader to hate Mara because Palpatine used her so successfully and he would sometimes reward her success rate. However, yes, there was that sadistic part of the Emperor that always enjoyed pitting Vader and Jade against each other for his own private amusement. 🤔
RPG/ fanfiction from my last gaming shop 16years ago ran the " Imperial Family or All Who Is in the Family."
Welcome to the Family.
Vader, the moody older brother or Uncle that tinkers on his hot rods, goes on joyride racing.
The Nieces, the Nephews, the Cousins " inner party members. "
Social moths " political social agents " friends of Palpatine from the Old Days before the senate. Aunts/Uncles.
Administrating staff officers and other socialites. (n/Pcs)
The player characters rising up the ranks.
Palpatine, grand uncle/godfather.
Calls up Maul each month to sassy him in being an under productive crime lord. You were the closes first son I had, then you lost your ass to Kenobi. Then, well, there is your brother my second dearest son Anakin. Sadly he be missed, then .. there is Vader. We see how well he turn out after Kenobi, .. twice.
After all this time I have yet to experience what it is like to be a grandfather. How have you not yet adopted an .. new .. apprentice ?
Waiting to hear from you. -- Palpatine .. Father.
Most times, spies/agents hack Mauls system and plays Palpatine voice over the intercoms.
2.) Palpatine's main problem is none of the Force Users under his command has the level/skill ranking in cross skills to take over and run the empire. The Sith Rule of Two or the Old Way was no longer in effect since the last War a thousand years ago. Any darkside user or want a be Sith or those barely trained went into hiding and smuggling practice just to avoid drawing the Jedi attention, breeding bloodlines that only survive and profit by teamwork family loyalty.
If Palpatine set up or order two or more to kill each other in duel or snipping. They first work it out themselves and giving each other access codes. " You kill me, then you have to deal with my mess of henchmen, agents, contacts, and funds I have put away."
Palpatine one of those guys that start doing the most just because a female is in the room
If I recall, vader did insinuate to Mara that she was not the only Hand
But it’s been a decade since I read the novel
I agree with Vader, she's a complete joke and is unworthy to be at Sidious's side. Unlike Mara Jade, Vader is worthy and is a sith juggernaut who wields unfathomable amounts of power, the true and only apprentice to stand by Sidious.
The funniest part is she actually thought she would one day be Sidious's new apprentice even though that is beyond impossible. Mara Jade is so weak and pathetic compared to Vader. Vader's insanely enormous and unending darkside power rivals and even surpasses Sidious himself, the most powerful force user to ever exist, while Mara Jades power is not even equal to a Jedi masters.
Damn Anakin, I dont known force ghosts have internet
Weak and pathetic compared to Vader? You mean the guy who's gotten bitched multiple times both in EU and Disney canon? You mentioned she's not worthy but what makes her any less worthy than Maul, Dooku, Vader or Luke? Also you're right. She's not as strong as most Jedi Masters. She's stronger
@@connorharnage6697 Did you forget that maul got defeated by Obi wan who at the time was a Jedi Padawan. Its completely true that Maul and Dooku were not worthy to be a sith or at Sidious's side. Sidious only used both of them to get the ultimate apprentice which was Anakin Skywalker the chosen one, who later became Darth Vader. Also Mara Jade was eventually killed by Darth Vader's grandson Jacen Solo, who was Leia Skywalkers and and Han Solo's child.
You ask what makes Vader more worthy and I'll tell you. It's not only because Vader's power in the darkside is completely unrivaled and unfathomable, making Mauls, Dookus and Mara Jades power look like a tiny speck of sand compared to his which is a whole ocean but it was also the fact that Vader was created by the force itself, to bring balance, something Vader would untimently do in the end.
Vader by his peak was many times more powerful than Revenge of the Sith Sidious. Yes the same Sidious who easily killed the most powerful members of the Jedi council and later on defeated Yoda in a 1v1 duel. Again Prime Vader was more powerful than many of those Sidious's combined, so yeah Mara Jade can't even hold a tiny candle to vader.
If Mara was more powerful than a Jedi master then why didn't Sidious let her hunt down the dark woman, a very powerful surviving Jedi master, surely it would be a good test for her. It's obvious, Mara Jade isn't even close to being powerful enough to defeat one of the most powerful surviving Jedi still alive, there is no question that Mara would've definitely been slaughtered beyond easily by the dark woman. That's why Sidious sent his 2nd in command, the most powerful alley he has at his disposal and the greatest Jedi killer of all time to take care of her, and Vader did deliver. After a duel, he defeated the very powerful jedi master, dropping an entire tree on her, then cutting her down with his crimson blade. Like Vader said to the defeated dark woman, her might is nothing compared to his. So even if Mara Jade was more powerful than a Jedi master which she is definitely not, it is still not that impressive at all. Anakin's old apprentice Ashoka was equal if not more powerful than a Jedi master and she would completely ragdoll Mara Jade easily.
Last but not least, everyone knows that against Luke Vader was conflicted and was seriously holding back. Even Luke himself would mention later on what Vader could've really done to him if he wasn't holding back against the only family he had left.
@@M_03256 I'm not just talking Obi Wan. Are we forgetting about Galen Marek, his clone, Celeste Morne and her Rakghouls, Roblio Darte, Sia-Lan Wezz, Ma'kis'-Shaalas, Koffi Ariana and Jastus Farr who all jumped him on Kessel and obviously Luke Skywalker (holding back or not, Luke still beat him)
You do realize Vader bringing balance to the Force would make him the worst choice to be a Sith yeah? Since balance in Star Wars is the destruction of the Sith
You say that as if Sidious is this really powerful opponent or something. He does not compare to the likes of Nihilus or Krayt so if you could find a way for Vader to beat them, I'd be impressed. Mara on the other hand was trained by and arguably as skilled as Kyle Katarn, ya know one of the best Jedi not named Luke Skywalker or Revan? That's nothing to sneeze at
You're cherry picking. That was when Mara was a lot weaker. Jedi Mara is easily stronger than she ever was during her time at Sidious's side. And I'm not arguing who's more powerful as Sith. We're going peak to peak here. I only asked about the "worthy Sith bit" because that made no sense to me. Also if you think Ashoka can beat ANYONE from Luke's Jedi Order, I'm sorry. You're just wrong. She has shown nothing that puts her above them
@@connorharnage6697 Think whatever you want to but facts are facts. Also all the ancient sith are extremely overrated and far weaker than the modern ones like Vader and Sidious. The truth is Vader has far more victories than losses in both Disney canon and legends, Especially against powerful surviving Jedi.
Vader defeated and killed Jedi master Roan Shryne, Jedi master Kirak Infil'a, Jedi master Bol Chatak, Jedi master An'ya Kuro also known as the the dark woman, Jedi master Eeth Koth. Jedi Knight Sia-Lan Wezz, Jedi Knight Ma'kis'shaalas, Jedi Master Shadday Potkin, Jedi Master Koffi Arana, Jedi knight Iwo Kulka, Jedi knight Siadem Fort, Jocasta Nu, Cere Junda, Jedi Knight Kento Marek.
Vader defeated Jedi knight Cho'na Bene but let him live, Bene was eventually killed by a blaster bolt from an imperial officer, Vader also killed his master beforehand who's name is unfortunately unknown. These are only some of the surviving Jedi Vader hunted down and killed post order 66, Mustafar.
I wonder if Mara knew that Vader was Anakin skywalker
She couldn’t have
Since Anakin and Darth Vader are essentially two separate entities would this mean that Anakin hated Mara Jade as well?
But given his redemption and hers too, He has grown to accept her as part of the family.
What if Mara jade purple light Saber was a reconstruction of mace windu's
Imagin what Anakin's force ghost must be thinking...
It is ironic that later Mara Jade became his daughter-in-law by marrying his son Luke. However, it was obvious that his anguish was due to the fact that he was jealous of her position, privilege the lack of equality that the emperor did not show Vader.
Mara Jade was like Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow and Princess Adora/She-Ra.
If i was vader honestly i would have not wasted the haste on the woman qs much as hate palatine decidesion for not educate the person on sith identity 101 and if i was palatine honestly i would trend more carefully on how to annoy someone like vader because he was never meant to be controlled by anyone or anything to begin with
Palatine always new vadars weekness and that jealousy and ego was the way he turned anikin in first place
Everybody loves redheads
Crazy how she would end up being his Daughter in Law
wait did you say Sidious had concubines?!?!?!
I mean he is the emperor so probably
I want to see Mara Jade in future of star wars 😊
Well it will be hard since disney
@@Tuturial464don't worry they already Incorporated bits of Legends into Disney by the way Luke all we can't figure out which girl he wants to impregnant his dad's old apprentice Ahsoka or his childhood friend Cami like it said decisions decisions
@@BrianLamar-es3my yes and destroyed them lol
Mara will be epic Black trans Queen allien™️ who would dump Luke heckin misogonistic order and show him his place at milking space cows
@@michakoniecpolski5677It’s funny how yall always drag Black People into your arguments. They really live rent free in your mind huh? Do you wake up and go to bed thinking about Black People?
What comics/novels would one read to better understand Mara during this time?
Mara Jade by the Emperor's Hand comic.
Allegiance novel
Choices of One novel
Pretty much. She’s cool but way in over her head. She is no Sith. I prefer her post her Palpatine’s simp phase. Much better as a Jedi.
He hated Han too so it's on point.
An angry Vader is a powerful Vader.
Anakin Skywalker must be turning over his grave.🤣🤣🤣🤣
does anybody have a really good video explaining what Legends is about? the timeline between movies and all of that?
Sidious really did adopt Ancient Sith traditions in establishing a Sith Faction entirely loyal to him (Servants, Voices, Hands, and Wraths).
Mara would've been a worthy replacement for Vader, less powerfull but more versatile, kinda like Zannah to Bane
The only worthy replacement for Vader would be .. Leia.
Palpatine, " For all the Skywalkers you and I are the most in common. We are both politicians, that is our true power."
I like the idea. I really do.
Vader would wipe the floor with Mara-Jade 💯 This video makes me hate Mara-Jade now, way to go man lol
Well even if he survived the Battle of Endor he was Anakin again. But he still would have remembered those feelings of hate.
Papa palps is always correct
Ironically, hating the very woman who will become his Daughter-in-Law.
Mara Jade is my favorite character.
This makes me so sad that none of this will ever go on screen. But a great video as always.
Probably because he saw her aa a rival
I don’t blame Vader for his hatred of Mara Jade, but I do feel it was misdirected. I think Vader should have known, by then, how much the Emperor delighted in tormenting him. It wasn’t ablut improving the Empire. It was about keeping Vader “in his place .”
She's the future daughter in law too.
Sounds like she and Luke are perfect princesses for each other.
Ha! ‘Mentioning Mara could be more resourceful in ways…’. Yeah, like having boobs.
Damn that's some family drama😂 I'm sure family reunions are eventful😂 talk about hatred😂
I can understand why he hated her so much. It didn't help Empire. I understand why Palpatine did this. But it didn't help and improve the Empire. May the Force be with you too😊
The great Lord Vader hated all inferior beings.
Thanks for sharing the excellent video
🎉
If Vader never like his future daughter in law, I wonder how he felt when his daughter leia married Han Solo.
That’s irony. Vader’s enemies (Han Solo) or allies (kinda, Mara Jade) became his family.
@@dawidschaffrath8426 Irony, if Anakin was left on Tatooine he would have been a Hutt smuggler pilot.
@@krispalermo8133 Maybe yeah 🙂👍
Some one of her to have a big ego
Like getting yelled at by your dad in front of your dog. Shouldn’t care what the dog thinks.
I'm surprised Vader didn't snap on her knowing him
personally I wouldn't take that kind of disrespect
Only the strongest can cast aside disrespect without attachment. You must train your mind to not seek approval or feel the need to be a part of social confines. In essence be self reliant in all forms not just life skills, but mental.
@@aidenpettigrew9246 facts
i read the thrawn trilogy 30 years ago as an unloved kid ... disliked her immensely.
#TDBank🌎💘💰
Mara Jade could use force lightning and Vader couldn't. That's why.
No I would not
Because Palpatine knew Vader still experienced sexual attraction but couldn’t act on it due to his suit and burns?
Yeah... his phallus was burned off when Obi-Wan left him to die on that lava river bank on Mustafar.
Damn
What if they Made Marajade and Luke canon and if they had twins in secret Mara would train the twins and luke would only train Ben and the few other force sensitives. It was so secretive not even Leah knew of it only R2D2
NNNNNNOOOOOOO
It's sad that Disney is too far in deep in crazy people to have a beautiful redhead on their shows.
Too many dyslexic producers there to have gingers anymore.
Dumb post
@@hannibalb8070 Dumb reply
Yea I would love to see a live Action Mara jade
@@doublestarships646 no, your post was extremely stupid and pathetic, cope
George Lucas must be a living autobiography of Darth Vader then
I don't care what George Lucas thinks.Mara jade was a good character
That. Was. A. Comedy. Skit.
Seriously... robot chicken had that whole thing scripted. People are morons.
Day 477 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon