Ethiopia's Never-Ending Civil War: Should the West Intervene? - TLDR News
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With an end to the ongoing conflict in Ethiopia nowhere in sight, we take another look at the civil war which only seems to be escalating. In this video, we catch you up on the history of the conflict, where we're at now, and whether a ceasefire can be negotiated between the two sides.
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It's a regional ethnic conflict. As bad as this is, I don't think foreign intervention is the right solution to this. Ending the war without understanding the situation on the ground isn't going to help anything.
Nobody wants to see another event like the Rwandan genocide.
It would have been an Afghanistan 2.0.
This something that African needs to handle on their own, without western "aid"
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@simoncleret yeah pretty much
@@simoncleret no for rwandan like genocide, but yes for rwandan like prosperity. I think abiy is a good solution actually, he is a just totalitarian.
Judging by the topography and how committed the locals are to fighting, it'd literally be afghanistan 2.0 if the US intervened but unlike that war, neither side in this war is hosting terrorists hostile to the US
Balkans are also a mountainous region as well with numerous ethnic groups that hate each other, but Kosovo WAS a success story.
The 4 super powers and 5 Arab countries will intervene in these war and all will fall. after that Ethiopia will become supper power. What you see before you is profess being fulfilled.
@@kidustigabu117 troll spotted
Leave ethiopia to deal with its issues. There are no terrorists threatning the us.
More like Iraq. The Tigrayans are like Kurds.
“The only hope for Ethiopia is if western governments stepped in”
I think we all know how that goes ._.
Ok then, let western powers remain out of this, so that the africans may keep slaughtering each other, with help from China or Russia, sounds quite sane doesn't it?
This is an exaggeratively bad idea, since ethiopians are charged with hatred toward western countries for tolerating the oppressive epdrf for 27 years while not doing the same to the widely accepted abiy for 2 years
Just get Mussolini in here he I’ll fix it
THE ONLY HOPE FOR ETHIOPIA IS
THAT OUSIDIERS SHOULD KEEP THEIR HANDS OFF, ETHIOPIA ADDIS ABEBA WILL TAKE CONTROL
This enraged Mussolini who punished them severely
As an Ethiopian living in Addis, my message to the West : Stay the absolute hell away from East Africa, you've done enough.
Yea of course u would say that, it wasn't adis abeba that was raped and pillaged, and the west not entering benefits ur side. So y are you saying as a person from adis abeba as of that some neutral POV. Also you said the west done enough? Is enough practically creating ethiopoan economy? The deta clearly shows that Ethiopia and adis wouldn't be no where near where they are without western investment and aid so is it enough when they get mad at you for war crimes?
"I'm from Addis" is a fact not a virtue signal so calm down.we are fortunate to be away from the war but it doesnt mean we are just sitting back and watching our people in Tigray suffer at the hands of tplf terrorist. The west dont give a damn about "helping" tigray lol,just like they "helped" Afghanistan and many other places. If they truely wanted to stop war crimes they wouldn't be supporting a literal terrorist org. Advocating for "rescue" by the west will leave our people in Tigray worse off so it shows u have no interest in actually helping them. U just want the west to pat you and tplf on the back for spreading misinformation, lies, fear, terror, ethnic cleansing,fascism etc. Este link the info about western investments in Ethiopian economy because I'm sure that's also tplf propaganda, you are all brainwashed. Anyways, ኢትዮጵያ ለዘላለም ትኑር::
@@bobted6266 What do you actually think the west will bring you, peace? In return for what? If you're so happy to through your sovereignty away, why not allow the central gov. to install a puppet administration?
@@circles3381 I never said the west should get involved, but if they did they most certainly would bring peace, sovereignty? Idk what sovereignty has to do with killing raping and pillaging if that's the best use Ethiopia has with its sovereignty then the question is brought does it deserve it? Should the west have let Serbia have it sovereignty in Kosovo? Is not the west that is criticized for no intervening in the rewandan genocide? Was the west in the right for putting sovereignty of rawanda over the lives of the tutsi?
I mean most genocides can be brushed off as sovereignty, why the Soviets were merely exercising their sovereignty during the holdomore, smae with the Turks and the Armenian genocide, same canada and usa with the killing of natives, same with the Chinese and the Uighurs, does ur sovereignty have no punishment?
@@habibi1195 it's a redicuales claim to say that only tigrayans benefited from the economic growth sure they had disproportionate growth but the rest of Ethiopia also experienced growth I mean look at adis abeba as an example
We’ve seen how badly intervention has been for nations, and especially with a conflict most won’t understand, the geography of the area, and the devotion of the fighters, it’s best to just leave them to their own devices and let the flame die out, instead of adding lighter fluid. It’s tragic what’s happening, but it’s a better option to let it be.
Better for those that make it through it I suppose.
It went well for South Korea I guess.
@@meneither3834 Well no because North Korea exists and all they have can go to shit like that.
google the yugoslav war & why an intervention is a good thing
Just like in Rwanda. let them tire their machete hand out.
This is really saddening. A few years ago Ethiopia seemed to be going well, it's economy was growing, the country was at peace, infrastructure was being built. But now it's descending into a stupid, pointless civil war between ethnic groups.
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr There will always be chains, at least golden ones look nice
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr I don't agree. In a pacifist world where everything can be gained easily, people would merely find other things to focus on, such as the arts and creativity, spirituality, beauty, optimization, even faster technological advancement, space exploration, etc. For some people who have internalized hustle culture too much it might be difficult, but not for everybody.
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr 'atleast glorious conquests is hard and costly'... have you ever been in a war?
@@ellinmara5997 You are right but looking at the US as an example, only a small percentage of the population is able to live such a life. Most are caught up in the hustle. Living such a life would be a gift not a given.
@@jameskamotho7513 Oh yes, absolutely. It really is a shame, because we'd have enough resources to end wars and scarcity nowadays. However, I think you might have missed my argument. I was saying that war and struggle aren't required for having a purpose in life (as opposed to rimacutem's suggestion). Thus, a pacifist, post-scarcity world would be heaven, not hell.
Western Intervention seems very unlikely currently.
What's more likely is that Egypt, who is gaining a sizeable amount of military equipment from Western powers, will lash out at Ethiopia to remove the risk of the dam on the nile.
And Ethiopia has zero allies because they are belligerent and unfriendly on the world stage. Their only ally is the shithole Eritrea
I hope Egypt will do that fast!
@@jordanbell4736 Ethiopia’s sanctions got blocked by the black nations of the African Union. Every black person in Africa stands with Ethiopia against you Arabs.
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs My name is "Jordan Bell"
Not a very Arab name don't you think?
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs dude what did the Arabs do in that conflict!!
Wasn't the Saudi king one of the mediators of peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea!! And that deal was in a Saudi city.
Fact: the leader of the Derg, Mengistu Haile Mariam, basically the ethiopian equivalent to Stalin is still alive and lives in Zimbabwe.
I think a bunch of defeated warlords, war criminals and tyrants live in Zimbabwe.
@@iggyzeta9755 I wonder if they hang out with each other
Mengistu is better than TPLF TPLF killed more Amhara Somali Gurage etc than Mengistu ... TPLF killed Ethiopian by Ethinicity TPLF is facist monster racist robbers ...
@@gulele100 lmao
Can you do a video on the current state of the East African Federation? It's an interesting topic which I think was never covered by TLDR.
You can suggest that in the survey in the video description.
Their constitutional committee is supposed to come out with a constitution by the end of 2021, so maybe that's the best time to cover it.
Yeah, it’s not happening lol
@@eca3101 How do you know are you a minister in the EAC
@@chrisbana5874 no, in fact, no one is a minister in the EAC cuz it ain’t happening 😂🤣
As an African Lemme put my TLDR: Oh hell no!
You must take your place in the circle of life! 😆
@@MrStarsuicide 😆😆lol
@@MrStarsuicide Let's break the circle of life. Break the capitalist ways :P
Ethiopia is a potential major economic powerhouse in Africa held back by stupid wars
Western intervention elsewhere has been a disaster
except Kosovo and South Korea
@@robertabella1806 being only able to name 2 positive examples lol
@@truelocomax2804 hey .Kpop only exists because of that intervention
Apparently they got our biscuits
@@robertabella1806 then it was a disaster too
NO. The "west" shouldn't intervene. I'm not from Africa but I'm from Latin America and I know a thing or two about the US intervening in poorer countries.
Absolutely, I'm from Syria and wish I lived a stable life and a normal childhood under Assads dictatorship rather than constant displacement and fear
Exactly, the West has no business in Ethiopia and doesn't house any terrorists that threatened the US like Al Queda.
@@2hotflavored666 and if it did that justifies invading the country and destroying it? You don't live in the colonial era anymore honey, or maybe that was a Freudian slip 😂
@@appleslover honestly Mexico could use some US help with their cartel problem. I wouldnt be surprised if the mexican government asked the US for military support in the future. I think the west should only intervene when asked to by a majority of the country. I think we are all glad america intervened in Nazi Germany right?
@@captainalex157 the us made the cartel problem worse already
I thought western powers weren't supposed to be meddling in African affairs.
When all Africa will be under China's economic control (it already is for the most part) you'll change your mind.
@@riccardobianco2659 Africa does not work that way, China will always be one Dictator away from losing control due to popular support and lack of cultural penetration. And you seem to forget the last time an African Dictator arose due to anti-Asian sentiment, they were banished from the country.
@@riccardobianco2659 lol "bUt wHaT aBoUt cHaYnAhh?!" Right away
@@riccardobianco2659 lol you're Italian and now talking about China colonising Ethiopia 😂😂😂
Correct, it would do much more harm than good.
Immediate response, no. As an American who grew up in the 90's, I know full well what happens when we intervene in East Africa. It'd be Somalia, but worse, because China has a vested political/economic interest in Ethiopia (Belt and Road initiative successfully sphereing them), so it wouldn't *just* be a Western intervention.
It's undeniably a tragedy, but history currently suggests it's a lesser tragedy than Euro-American military interference. Leverage air infrastructure in friendly Egypt to provide food drops to famine zones, maybe? Something like that to get humanitarian supplies into the country past Eritrean/Federal blockades?
I don't see a faction worth empowering or supporting, just a lot of civilian victims caught in the crossfire. To the contrary, supporting either side of what is clearly an ethnic supremacy conflict would be wholly problematic.
But if we could keep a people from starving, I think that'd be worth it. Just get the Mormons on it, they'll foot the bill. They do it for every other charity cause in the world.
Call me cynical, but I feel the voices who call strongest for intervention on humanitarian grounds are the same who'll shout "imperialism" the minute the fighting actually starts.
Only if they side with the oppressors(ethinic majority)
I'm pretty sure the humanitarian interventionists and the anti-imperialists are mostly two separate groups. Libs vs. leftists, basically.
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs The results are similar, because they have no control over the military
Nope they are same those people people see whites as demons and them to see die in wars
@@justanotheremptychannel2472 Just because you are a majority does not mean you are a oppressor.
I just hope the fighting ends I know it’s optimistic but I hope everyone in Ethiopia and Eritrea can live in peace.
Thank you for your kind regards no matter what side you’re on
Sometimes it needs darkest night before dawn. Like Rwanda
There are serious reports that Ethiopia is trying to buy Turkish drones which would allow them to defeat TDF easily but there is a problem though. Turkey wouldn't allow them to invade Tigray as Turkish Africa policies are entirely built on peace keeping not supporting invidiuals unlike Russia or even France sadly which makes them quite popular among people while so called strong men dislike them. You might think Abiy could break his promises later but in reality it is just impossible as Turkey has insane influence in Somalia and you know which country has a very large ethnically Somalian minority?? Yep, Ethiopia so it would be one of worst things Abiy can do. I really hope this happens and Turkey would end the war because if Russia or China involves fighting will become much worse while after the unbelievable catastrophe in Afghanistan nobody in the western world has the guts to involve another similar conflict...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Are you afraid Somalis ?
poor countrey: exsists
China: stonks
China: hippity hoppity your country and your entire economy is now my property
China: “I see this as an absolute win!”
Guess why are they poor? West resource extracting?
Lol self projection at its highest levels 😂😂
@@cte4dota he's projecting his country's past onto China to get away from responsibility and guilt, because they're very heavy burdens.
Should the West intervene? No! No! No!
If there is something the USA should learn its: DO NOT INTERVINE IN A CONFLICT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GLOBE
The west and mostly imperial United States should stop causing conflicts all over the world. Let's not forget that Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded and the Arab spring and subsequent war in Lybia and Syria was indirectly caused by the Obama administration. Why they won't go to Ethiopia, because it's not their war. The morality as a backdrop to these invasions were to sell the war to the public. Oil and the sales of weapons and political and geopolitical interest are the aim of every modern war.
This war is sponsored by the US & it's western allies. Don't be fooled by TLDR's "questionable" reporting - from an Ethiopian.
Europe is much closer than that to Ethiopia.
@@ethiocyberia2147 yea, I’m from the west myself but the US needs to stop intervining in smaller countries
@@dadikkedude yeah as a Swede this is just proof capitalism dosent work in the american way. It just leads to big companys profetering on war
Honestly, "should the west intervene" has become a question that doesn't have any good answer. It turns into chaos when there is no intervention (Rwanda, Congo, ...), it turns into chaos when there is limited intervention (Syria, Lybia, ...), it turns into chaos when there is full intervention (Afghanistan, Iraq, ...). I would really like to believe there there IS a positive and secure solution to this kind of internal conflicts, that keep happening, but so far it does seem like all possible options have negative outcomes, so I dunno...
Some... Reconstructions... i can only think one where the USA said fuck it im doing right and it was in 1945 with germany. but yeh unless the western world realises that unless they commit like in 45 it will always fail.
You can't say not intervening leads to chaos and then cite only the times that not intervening was followed by chaos... Very lazy "logic" here.
Don't be ignorant about the vested political, economical and geopolitical interests in all those wars and especially Iraq. The moral war doesn't exist, it's the excuse after the fact or the casus belli before. It's the requirement tool.
How much chaos has been avoided in Afghanistan? How much chaos has been avoided in Iraq? 20 years of war, 'the enemy' who were in seat of complete power before and now again in Afghanistan, not an inch was won. The chaos of ISIS that was a direct result of the invasion of Iraq and the coup in Syria supported by the west.
Haliburton meanwhile laughing to the bank with all those tax moneys in their pockets.
The west is not a moral entity, but in open conflict with poor nations to produce their wealth.
AHAHAHA
In here we see the duality of the internet when dealing with the aftermath of Afghanistan
first post: a attempt to start a talk on the idea of nation-building.
second: an attempted fix or simply stating intervention leads to more chaos
third: *CAPITALISM IS THE EVIL OF THE EARTH AND MUST BY DESTROYED*
Fourth: Hell No to the No to the No Hell no.
@@dx3217 tbh, you're kinda right and now I can't unsee it ahahah
Ey, they've begun posting sources. Nice.
they've been posting sources for ages
The TPLF just missed the power they once enjoyed.
Why are you everywhere?!
Yes” currently Ethiopia creation was European colonization establishment of their loyal agency… but western colonial can’t force oppressed nations to Ethiopia which they don’t choose like 1889 when they founded Ethiopia… there’s no country called before European colonization
Bingo!
Isn't that also the reason you left Elba?
@@adama2988 Ethiopia is far older than 1889 its monarch goes back till the 13th century no it wasn't created by the Europeans
Great video!
One patriarch is Tigrayan, the other is from the Derg era and Amhara if I remember correctly.
Never get between two beefing groups. let them fight it off till they're done or dead. Everytime someone intervenes its ALWAYS to the disadvantage of another party.
Yeah, let more millions of people die from starvations and genocides, instead of making a peace resolution. Great idea my guy.
It will end in peace agreement sooner or later but for Eritrea it’s unlikely peace with Ethiopia will be maintained and could possibly lead to a new war.
They will get b/n us b/c they don’t care about us and what the want is different
@@ItsLofty101 you are paid to say that we know
@@marhuny Ah yes, the "you are paid to say that" argument. Nice bro
honestly this all seems like it stems from the TPLF being mad they got ousted from power.
That is how it started but when the government began killing and raping civilians simply for been from Tigray it turned into a true ethnic war with the people
Exactly
in their defense, they agreed to leave power in exchange for fair elections. Elections were not organized. Sure, because of covid, but in a country like Ethiopia, a few extra covid deaths would have perhaps been preferable to a war.
Yes, but only to a certain degree. The TPLF definitely weren’t happy about losing their power, but their actions weren’t unwarranted. Abiy gained international recognition for making peace with Eritrea, but if you want to invade Tigray - Eritrean support would go a long way to accomplishing that goal. And, less than 3 years after the peace accords, that’s exactly what happened.
And channels like this don't want to acknowledge that
Only the AU (South Africa, Egypt & Nigeria in particular) should intervene if need be, and in favour of the ruling government. The TPLF is just bitter about their loss of power and using ordinary Tigrays as pawns against the government in their bid to try to retake control of the country.
Egypt is just another western puppet and has an interest in the destabilization of ethiopia to be the sole controller of the Nile. which they are not ashamed to broadcast that in their media.
That's not really what's happening. You need to understand the context more.
I hate the idea that the west should try and covilize Africa or step in whenever conflict arises as if they aren't the same people creating said conflicts elsewhere.
Foreign intervention would only make problems 100x worse
There are serious reports that Ethiopia is trying to buy Turkish drones which would allow them to defeat TDF easily but there is a problem though. Turkey wouldn't allow them to invade Tigray as Turkish Africa policies are entirely built on peace keeping not supporting invidiuals unlike Russia or even France sadly which makes them quite popular among people while so called strong men dislike them. You might think Abiy could break his promises later but in reality it is just impossible as Turkey has insane influence in Somalia and you know which country has a very large ethnically Somalian minority?? Yep, Ethiopia so it would be one of worst things Abiy can do. I really hope this happens and Turkey would end the war because if Russia or China involves fighting will become much worse while after the unbelievable catastrophe in Afghanistan nobody in the western world has the guts to involve another similar conflict...
But make the one percent rich 🤑 so they will do it in the cost of poor people of the west
Answer: *No.*
"should the west intervene" oh my god no no no No NO NO NO NO, how many times do people need to keep asking that question before we stop, our people are poorer then ever, there's extreme racial tensions in our domestic boarders, some of us are becoming hungry, some of us are in need of power, it's extremely unfortunate what's happening in the world but we need decades of focusing on internal infrastructure and domestic problems before we can organize global efforts
Meddling in the affairs of other countries has been the hallmarks of American foreign policy ever since America emerged as a world power post-WWII. It exists by intimidating, meddling in elections, and facilitating coups. It's an American tradition at this point and there's evidence pointing to America trying to meddle in Ethiopia as well due to China's growing influence.
@@soyosuki calling it a tradition dosent mean it morally or ethically correct, bruh human scarafices was a aztect tradition and guess what people in Mexico stopped doing, it's common sense
@@cruxell Where did I say it was moral or ethically correct? I'm simply saying that this parasitic role the U.S plays is so common and normalized that it's basically a tradition at this point. Of course, it's immoral and unethical, America literally threw a tantrum because of "Russian meddling" despite them being the CEO's of meddling, facilitating coups, etc. The American people simply don't care so they turn a blind eye and label the countries "sh--holes", and ignore the role they played.
Yeah after Spain put a stop to it anyways legally American isn’t suppose to meddle with other countries
why don't ethiopia just let tigray become an independent country? it seems to be a win-win solution
Not if Tigray is lacking something. For example they have no access to the sea, meaning trade is made more difficult. Looking at the map also seems to indicate there is little to no access to on the surface water sources. It might be that the people there are reliant on something they get from the rest of Ethiopia. If that is the case then they are not likely to want to just get independance, but would likely demand also access to resources or land to be given them.
Probably because it could cause a domino effect in the region, potentially leading to the dissolution of Ethiopia itself.
TPLF wants land from amhara because tigray is very harsh place to leave . People there leaved in aid for many many years
That is Tplf's and tigray people nightmare, they don't want that, they r fighting once again to return to the throne. so they exploit Ethiopians wealth and oppress its people
They can't, not because they are weak militarily, but their land is land locked, dependent on others and has harsh climate
As sad as this is, I don't think western intervention can do much good.
Excellent explainer
I used to see a lot of stuff about Tigray in Twitter but didn't know what was all the fuss about. I thought it was the name of a DJ lol. Thanks for the video.
Fake news
I am happy that there's finally a video with a better view of what's actually going on. Initial reports were majorly favoring the capital. Now the conflict is presented more for what it is, a true conflict of interests. TPLF wants to be involved in national matters, mostly because of Eritrea, which is seen as part of the motherland by TPLF. Abiy is afraid that the involvement of TPLF risks a TPLF overtake, as it has happened before. Abiy's solution is to do exactly what he thinks TPLF would do, and overtake the entire power. Ironically, this completely misses the point of why a TPLF overtake of power would be bad, which is that one side would run everything while ignoring the other part.
Not to mention it eventually backfire and blow on Abiy's face.
I think Tigray should be given the option to leave Ethiopia altogether, and if they want to which they probably would, potentially join Eritrea
There are serious reports that Ethiopia is trying to buy Turkish drones which would allow them to defeat TDF easily but there is a problem though. Turkey wouldn't allow them to invade Tigray as Turkish Africa policies are entirely built on peace keeping not supporting invidiuals unlike Russia or even France sadly which makes them quite popular among people while so called strong men dislike them. You might think Abiy could break his promises later but in reality it is just impossible as Turkey has insane influence in Somalia and you know which country has a very large ethnically Somalian minority?? Yep, Ethiopia so it would be one of worst things Abiy can do. I really hope this happens and Turkey would end the war because if Russia or China involves fighting will become much worse while after the unbelievable catastrophe in Afghanistan nobody in the western world has the guts to involve another similar conflict...
@@kevincronk7981 majority tigrayan are independent with small wanting unity with ethiopia and even much smaller for eritera. The chance eritera and tigray being one is low its not worth debating about.
@@kevincronk7981 I don't mean this badly, but you are clearly unfamiliar with the local history and culture. Ethiopia's birthplace is the northern part of nowadays Ethiopia, plus parts of nowadays Eritrea, Djibouti, and if you go back enough in history, even nowadays Yemen. In other words, an Ethiopia without Tigray, without Aksum, would be unacceptable for both parts.
And I didn't even touch yet the really sensible part of your comment, which is the thought of Tigray joining Eritrea. In Ethiopia, Eritrea is seen as a grab of parts of Ethiopia by Italy, which currently exists just because of a power hungry elite that enslaves its people. Eritrea literally means "by the red sea" in greek, because Italians thought it sounds cool. The opinion is split in Eritrea. Some would like for it to return to Ethiopia, while others believe that it's better to focus on the future and leave the past for history books, essentially preserving the status quo.
Just imagine, there's a region called Tigray, and a brutal dictatorship country called Eritrea, that speaks Tigrayan. How can you imagine Tigrayans wanting to join Eritrea? The only satisfying solution for Tigray would be a liberation of Eritrea, so that it can join Ethiopia, while Ethiopia has to be the region that controls Aksum, which is in Tigray region.
Let me apply your solution to a different situation so that local sensibilities are clearer. You know how New Yorkers sometime think they're better than everyone else? Maybe they should split from US, and if they want to, which they probably would, they should join North Korea, because they also think that they're better than everyone else. Problem solved!
How do you think my proposal of New york to North Korea transfer would fly in Washington? How do you think new yorkers would feel about this issue?
I see a federalization of Ethiopia as a possible solution to the conflict, but currently both sides believe they'll win, so why share power? Moreover, even federalization might be too much of a stress on the fragile Ethiopian national identity. For now, the war seems to have a long road ahead. The capital believes it's gonna win because the stats are in their favour. Tigrayans believe they're gonna win because they have a good track record at kicking capital's ass while starting as underdogs. What both sides ignore is that each war is unique.
I have to say, this is a pretty biased video. I'm surprised this is coming from TLDR.
You mention everything Abiy has done, but just gloss over just how oppressive the TPLF was. Only Tigrayans want them in power. While they were running the show, the Tigray region saw the lion's share of economic prosperity while everyone else was basically subhuman.
Abiy isn't nearly as bad, but also needs to be removed from power.
Source: am 1/2 Amhara and have visited my folks over there countless times.
I agree the Tygrayian revolt is illegitimate and they should be held in respect of the Ethiopian government. If they win or succesfully separate themselves from Ethiopia it will further destabilize the region. Peace and prosperity in the region would be achieved if Ethiopia and Erythrea unite.
Let them in-depend on themselves and leave Oromo too and go rule your broken land with your stupid betrayer abiy
@@A1un9ine Ethiopia's prosperity depends on everyone cooperating. Separate, we fail.
The Tigrayans need to fall in line and Abiy needs to go.
i get that tigrayan are resented of losing central power to abiy. but as thing looks now it seems that abiy just went too far and either ethiopia remains a very federal goverment and abiy leaves the tigrayans rule their own home territory. or the tigrayans should just separate and run their own small country.
@@ernstschmidt4725 The Federation is what ODP is trying to protect. A nation cannot simply allow people to leave as they please, that will destabilize the region. Who gets to control what resources? Are there resources or land in lands that the Tigrayans control that are populated by mostly Amharan people? Who gets to control that?
No. The TPLF needs to come to the table and accept that they are no longer longer top dogs, but a part of a union of peoples. Tigrayan voices will be heard when they vote.
By the same token, again - Abiy and his cabinet need to hold free elections, overseen by the African Union preferably, so there is no question as to who wins.
Fantastic résumé
I'm a non-Tigrayan Ethiopian, and this is the most well-researched and precise video on this war that I've come across. The other videos I've found here on RUclips only give half of the story and can be misleading for many. Thank you!
Whenever that question is asked, the answer is almost always no. Western interventions in counties completely and utterly foreign to them does nothing but build popular support for whoever they're intervening against, making the whole affair a ticking time bomb prolonged by a sunk cost fallacy.
Yes” currently Ethiopia creation was European colonization establishment of their loyal agency… but western colonial can’t force oppressed nations to Ethiopia which they don’t choose like 1889 when they founded Ethiopia… there’s no country called before European colonization… TPLF are western colonial and Abiy Ahmed if agree to be western colonial puppet he’ll king of Ethiopia that’s all of the war now
The Derg, the Zerg's special brother
This sounds awfully similar to the war in Sri Lanka. Would love to see a video on the systematic genocide on Tamils in Sri Lanka since independence in 1948 from the British, the armed resistance against the state, the peak of the genocide at the end of the war & the ongoing independence (Tamil Eelam) sentiment
There is no genocide I don’t know about your Sri Lanka we are fighting the west… and we will win
So the British should have never left?
Sounds like an abusive toxic marriage. How can that be fixed while staying together for the kids?
Honestly, Eritrea had to leave over ethnic differences. So did South Sudan. Tigraya may need to become a separate country. But successionism in Africa could open a massive can of worms with redrawing the post colonial borders elsewhere. Like, to the magnitude that it would make the Partition of India look like a schoolyard brawl by comparison.
@@robertb6889 if Tigray secedes (which is honestly the most likely outcome of this war) literally at least half of Ethiopias other federal states will try to secede including the two biggest (oromo and Somali) Ethiopia is just another Yugoslavia waiting to happen
@@kappa3399 unfortunately you're right. And quite a few countries in Africa could follow, including the Congo and Nigeria. There are quite a few states in Africa with multiple conflicting regional ethnic groups pushing for independence that could break apart very easily. We've already seen the result of long term ethnic conflict in Sudan.
@@robertb6889 Ethiopia is very complex countary. It has always been ruled by force but it seems that some Ethiopians are still in the mindset of resolving the current crisis by force and don't want to give peace talk for a chance. Nobody knows where this will lead to. To minimize bloody disintegration, federation same as Switzerland or Belgium could be most alternative for at least to avoid bloody distraction same as Yugoslavia.
@@azakzaak1691 I hope for the people there that they can achieve that. But the longer violence goes on, the harder it will be to reconcile and establish peace without one or both side requesting endless collective punishment against the other.
You forgot one important point in your video, the start of the war. Who started the war?
On the night of November 3/2020, tplf used it's people in the national army to block all communications and attacked all military bases in tigray. That gave them control to 90% of the countries artillery which was all placed there because during the reign of tplf they were at war with neighboring Eritrea. That left abiy no choice except collecting the army from every border and trying to retake control. During that phase they fired lots of rockets to neighboring regions and eritrea too, because if Eritrea officially entered the war the UN might do sth to stop the war......
seko ture confirmed this on their on Tv.
Soooo, You have skipped many crucial details like this in your video
so the federals attacking tigray was just a false flag? how come they got early victories so quickly.
@@ernstschmidt4725 yup that was false, early victory was achieved because the tplf underestimated Ethiopia. In their minds the Ethiopian military didn't grow in three years, all they knew was there's a new division named the republics guards but all other information were hidden. So as soon as the war started Ethiopia used it's jets and drones to take out it's own rockets and artillery stationed in tigray. The power balance shifted then and they retreaded in to their caves.
Man I really feel for the normal everyday citizens who just want to work and raise a family, getting caught up in all this violence. I can't imagine any western power could every control the situation.
West would make it worse as the elites in each Western countries would want their interests to considered first.
Peace with the tplf is hard, the tplf wants to rule ethiopia, and ethiopians don't want the tplf. Tplf don't want independence, but rule over people who are more than tigrians 15 times
Why dont they want independence? If they will want can it be done? Explaine please i dont understand
@@regieegseg8588 they don't want independence because they can take control of Ethiopia if abiy don't make improvements in the military. And they already have the weapons and all experts are tigrians (intentionally done) and most military professionals including those who knows the ethiopian territories like their names, and many other things that may or may not make the tplf regain control are with them, as well as the best universities, hospitals, infrastructures and half of the ethiopian money are with them. The only way they can lose is when they die from hunger, this is the reason why many ethiopians are refusing any aids to tigray that can be consumed by the tplf soldiers, but also this is causing problems since civilians are the first to die from hunger
@@Omer1996E.C interesting, so it is tigray elite dont want independence, but what about commoners?
@@regieegseg8588 The TPLF is a militia fighting for the Tigray people, who had a privileged leadership position in Ethiopia over the last few decades. They lost those recently because they lost elections. They aren't really fighting for independence, they're fighting to protect their privileges and rule over Ethiopia.
@@regieegseg8588 almost all ethiopians hate the tplf, it has a long story of oppressing ethiopian ethnic groups and religions, specifically oromos and muslims (you can search on youtube for many oromo and muslim protests).
But speaking about tigrian commenors, they are divided into three.
1, those who support the tplf because of the benefits and domination of the economy, military and politics
2, those who hate the tplf, weather it's for their suppression of activists and ethnic groups, or the current tigrian war caused by the tplf.
But it's hard to tell the who is the largest group from tigrians since they hide their true feelings to avoid problems with the majority of the ethiopian population. I know personally many of those tigrians who love the tplf, and many who hate them (maybe they are pretending too, we can't tell)
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I think France may take an interest in Ethiopia
@@mateicosti who wants to invite France after 2hat happened in lybia
@@eccentricthought4511 Idk, but if we look at Palestine, the first major power to help was France. Plus they have an interest in Africa
@@mateicosti the French don't have the delicacy for these kinds of situations. Plus they don't have any aligned interests. If Africa is to be stable we must settle our issues ourselves . Adding powers from beyond the continent just complicates matters .
@@mateicosti plus Palestine isn't really am example of a good situation. If it was up to me I would just abandon the two state solution and let the two merge . Israel would be the government. Its a terrible solution I'm aware but at least the Palestinians could have a democratic government and maybe end the madness that is hamas .
Damn if we do damn if we don’t when the US intervenes so I say let the Ethiopians settle their disputes on their own
Trying to be the world's police has earnt America nothing but hatred
@@shadowlord1418 nobody asked or wanted them to, they did themselves and NOT against their will because it does and did benefit them greatly
Russia, China: so you have finally got our point!
Exactly don’t intervene on random countries. Only on situations when countries WANT you there. Like taiwan, south korea.
There are serious reports that Ethiopia is trying to buy Turkish drones which would allow them to defeat TDF easily but there is a problem though. Turkey wouldn't allow them to invade Tigray as Turkish Africa policies are entirely built on peace keeping not supporting invidiuals unlike Russia or even France sadly which makes them quite popular among people while so called strong men dislike them. You might think Abiy could break his promises later but in reality it is just impossible as Turkey has insane influence in Somalia and you know which country has a very large ethnically Somalian minority?? Yep, Ethiopia so it would be one of worst things Abiy can do. I really hope this happens and Turkey would end the war because if Russia or China involves fighting will become much worse while after the unbelievable catastrophe in Afghanistan nobody in the western world has the guts to involve another similar conflict...
To understand Ethiopia's conflict you need to go further back than 1974. The imperialism of the Solomonid Dyansty that ruled Ethiopia until 1974 brought diverse nations under an Amhara-dominanted imperial regime, which was then replaced by the (Amhara-dominated) Derg. Then the Tigrayans established their hegemony after 1991, which lasted until the 2018 alliance between the Oromo and Amhara against the Tigrayans. Ethiopia's borders today are as much a legacy of the age of European colonialism (secured by agreements between Ethiopia and the West in the late-19th and Early-20th centuries) as most other sub-Saharan African nations today, and are very much "mosaics" of multiple nationalities who, more by the result of outside historical forces, have found themselves living together in the same state. And the political history of Ethiopia, as with most sub-Saharan African nations since independence, has been struggles for dominance between different nations within each state for dominance. It took Europe two world wars that killed millions because of their ethno-cultural identities to create the (relatively) stable, relatively ethnoculturally homogenous borders Europe enjoys today. It should not be a surprise that similar processes will happen in the rest of the world, and sub-Saharan Africa in particular, moving forward.
That’s the real issue here. No one wants to support succession in Africa for fear that it could become a continent-wide combination of civil and international border wars. The partition of India was bad. Africa could be much, much worse.
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr just give every ethnicity it's country and bomb any who starts conflict
I have to disagree your message because there are many minorities in Europe as well from Catalans to Irish people who want independence. So the real difference between Europe and Africa not ethnoculturally homogenous borders exactly rather i think it is development. People live good lives without major problems like poverty and they just have too much to loose so they even allow their culture, language etc to disappear as we can see in Wales or Brittany. While in Africa sadly people are living in bad conditions which is increasing nationalism, making them to wrongly believe even if it would be a very small country without much resources they would live better lives under their own rule. But ofc they can't so even if new homogenous countries are established they continue fighting for limited resources this time..
@@justanotheremptychannel2472 - the problem is very complicated because in most cases the ethnicities don't live along tight lines, especially in Africa where there has been a culture of semi-nomadicism, or nomadic groups mixed in with settled groups. In fact, much of the ethnic conflict can occur between nomadic herders and settled farmers, especially in the Sahel region. It's not hard to see the ethnic conflicts that result from partitions of these regions. Look at the partition of India, the Balkans (both Bosnia and Kosovo) as well as the German-Polish border region. In all cases crimes against humanity and massacres have occurred.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 - like there hasn't been interethnic violence in Europe despite that. There's been plenty of violence in the Basque region, the troubles in northern Ireland, and you could even characterize aspects of WW2 in terms of greater German nationalism and ethnic violence (like the poles and the Jews and Romani). It really depends on how those ethnic groups feel like they treated and involved in the parent state, versus excluded and marginalized.
Ireland with its historical massive colonial oppression of Catholics, or regions like Catalonia who feel like their language and culture are ignored. Violence is much more likely when there is economic disparity or discrimination, and not just when there is poverty. It's a lot about perceived fairness.
In fact, a lot of the protestant-catholic wars, like the 30 years war, the Jacobite wars, the Hugenots, and a large bit of the Irish unrest along religious lines was because of perceived (and often very real) unfairness and discrimination against certain groups or favoritism toward others.
Western involvement should be small let alone east will make it worse for both tigray and amhara food aid ,financial sanction and health care nothing more.
Great video. Something important to note. Tigray has never reclaimed western Tigray from federal forces since the beginning of the war (the Amhara province wants to claim/reclaim that land. Map at 5:50.) This sandwhiches Tigray between Ethiopia on the east, west, and south & Eritrea (who also attacked them) to the north. Unfortunately civilians are paying the price and cannot get needed food/resources.
Can you guys please able the feature of auto caption? for people with non-english native?
As a non-english speaker myself his English is pretty much understandable but yeah this is a global news channel so it should have an auto-caption to make it easier to understand
When people say unitarist, they forget that it too has ethnic component to it. What it means is that every one drops their ethnicity and pickup the Amhara ethnicity. That is never going to happen. It's been tried for over 100 years and failed.
That’s a darn lie. It’s like no one knows what a federal or unitary state is, Google is Free.
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Let’s Say NO to ETHNIC FEDERALISM & UNITARY STATES - YES to (traditional) FEDERALISM: We should not use ethnic-federalism nor a unitary state form of government, they are both corrupt forms of government that need to be replaced by non-ethnically segregated forms of federalism found in the USA, Canada, and Switzerland.
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Ethnicity is cultural heritage and tradition not a system for apportioning seats in government, organizing a country’s institutions, nor is it ment for creating segregated sub-national regions.
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Federalism is the Best Option
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Federalism vs. Ethnic Federalism vs, Unitary State:
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Federalism is the mixed or compound mode of government, combining a general government (the central, national, or "federal" government) with regional governments (provincial, state, cantonal, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system ... it is a relationship of parity [or partnership] between the two levels of government established [between the regional and national governments].
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Ethnic federalism is a federal system of national government in which the federated units are defined according to and segregated by ethnicity, in certain cases traditionally and historically multi-ethnic regions would have to be dissolved and partitioned causing internal displacement of people (internally displaced persons) due to forced population resettlement (population transfer) with people who have lived in a given region for several generations are forced or at the very least coerced by newly developed ethno-nationalist sentiment into resettling in an area their ethnic group has been given. The existence of ethnically-mixed people is ignored, and smaller ethnic groups without their own ethnic hegemony regions are left disenfranchised, their existence is swept under the rug, are persecuted, and the specific sub-national regions operate as an ethnocracy (rule by ethnicity) rather than democracy (rule by the people - all the people). Think of Sundown Towns and Redlining.
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A unitary state is a state governed as a single entity in which the central government is ultimately supreme in making most decisions rather than local politicians having a broder reach of power like federalism.
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Choose Federalism (not Ethnocratic xenophobic Ethnic Federalism).
No, last time u do it, u aid the rebels instead of the legitimate government (syria), so keep your soldier away and never let their feet stepped on a foreign soil
As an Ethiopian, I can confirm you got the gist of it. That's exactly what they are doing in Ethiopia today as well.
Bruh the us(and western powers) didn't even cause the civil war in syria and weren't a big player in it at all ( they did aid the Kurds tho) .
Turkey , russia and iran all had a much bigger role and caused much more destruction &used much more troops and power.
Neat
Ummm, how about no? We have no business intervening. Not our fight, not our problem.
You are not wanting but still traces of the west aiding the rebels is everywhere.
NO! they have to figure this out on their own. Unless Ethiopians want foreign help, we shouldnt help them, its only gonna do more harm than good.
I'd vote for ya. The Ethiopian people are seeking economic partnerships and a relationship that doesn't involve American meddling in the internal affairs of a country that takes sovereignty very seriously. The U.S was heavily involved with the TPLF regime (supported it) since they essentially served as America's lapdog in the region (fight terrorists in Somalia and support other missions across the continent.) Ethiopians, however, despise the TPLF with the burning white-hot passion of a thousand suns.
Not intervening is helping
@@kml7259 What do you mean "is helping"? America has been very hostile towards the Ethiopian government and has a long history of supporting the brutal TPLF regime. They're currently undermining the government's efforts to bring these terrorists to justice, have imposed sanctions (with more economic threats) and turned a blind eye to Sudan's invasion and occupation of Ethiopian territory. America has/ is actively working against the Ethiopian people so that they can secure their interests in the region.
Intervention can be helpful if it takes the will of the people into account; however, America only cares about securing selfish regional interests at the expense of the people.
Should the west interve- *no*
good series but a lot of the information in the first half is the same as the last two videos from earlier this year
Great article wish it was a bit less monotone
This is probably the only conflict in the world that isnt due to the British
There are Lots of conflicts without britsh
Britain gave Eritrea from Ethiopia to italy and italy made Eritrea into a country so Eritrea wanted independence from Ethiopia once italy lost ww2, Eritrean separatists helped tplf fight derg and come to power and tplf gave independence to Eritrea so yeah Britain still has a hand in this
As an African this video sounds more like Fascism from an Austrian painter that failed
Bruh
Could you do an update on Myanmar and the civil war?
intervention isn't just armed invations it can also be securing food and medicine for local civilians
You can’t do that without armed intervention. That is what got us black hawk down.
If anyone intervenes it should be the African Union. Ethiopia would absolutely not react well to a European occupation
This war is a reasoning to wether the end justifies the means
typo in source 1, missing a )
did you seriously just say that withholding aid is worse than shelling civilians and mass rape? while withholding aid is dire, the other acts are acts of genocide, they are a whole magnitude worse than withholding aid
Ethiopia has borders which aren't particularly favorable to it, since it was literally an empire then just became a democracy and kept the same borders. However it still absolutely could be a very successful country and the conflict between Abiy and the TDF is the only major setback at the moment (Somalia's claim to the ethnic Somali part of the country would be an issue if Somalia were to ever get itself together though, hopefully it'll be sorted out eventually)
I’m from the somali region (ogaden) and most of us don’t want to do with Ethiopia. Unfortunately though Somalia is a shithole right now so there are no hopes with joining with them in the near future
Dude I'm Somali from the “Ethiopian” Somali region and I careless about Somalia. We just want to live in peace like djbouit and Somaliland. Which will never happens under this bloodthirsty rotten none-stop violence empire that keep killing its “own” people every single decade since the end of 19th century.
@@alimo3011 fake somali 😭 abaha was
@@alimo3011 Nacas. Soomaaliya waa tii xoog iyo dhiigba kuu shubtay. Maangaab bilaa dhiig ah ayaad tahay.
@@pirate6616 Markay Soomaaliya cagaha ku istaagto ninka liidayay markay liicsanayd wejigee ayaa u yaalla? Soomaaliya waxyaabihii ay la duntay waxaa ka mid ahaa xorraynta ay rabtay inay idin xorayso. Soomaaliya haddii aadan wax tari karin afkaaga ka ilaali.
The good thing in all of this is that as an Italian, unlike for the French, British and Belgians, I can eat assured that this wasn’t our fault.
Funny since Ethiopia was one of Italy's few overseas territories.
I am assuming your are being ironic. The horn of Africa and Libya were either colonized by Italian or occupied by Italy in between 1900 and 1945. Although Britain and France also had colonies in the Horn of Africa as well.
@@zacharyhuffman1863 Is ironic i think. But still the italian army and ascari (colonial troops) too tryed to defeat the tigray army but were defeated or pirrich victories, very stubbern the Tigray people. Don't now way i writed this part but bruh
@@zacharyhuffman1863 for like 5 years or something during a war.
@@lif3andthings763 Eritrea and Somali were occupied by the Italians from the late 1800s until the British defeated them in the 2nd World War. The cultures of these three countries are inexorably linked and the Italian conquest affected all three in different ways. Also, the Italians still have a small military presence in the area. I'm not saying things are their fault, but if there is fault, then the Italians share some.
Can you cover the preelection between the 6 opposition parties against Victor Orban in hungary that happened recently?
Nah, let them fight it out.
If the TDF reach the A1, how easy would it be for them to take the port and if they did how easy would it be to get food aid in through it.
Food? Ethiopia imports only a little bit of food compared to what is produced locally
@Alex Pokrandt But didnt Abiy invited the the now TDF to join the prosperity party and they refuse?
@@Omer1996E.C fuel and supplys
@@jacopofolin6400 i agree with fuel supply
@@tauceti8060 Why would they accept to surrender?
No the west shouldnt intervene. The AU can intervene.
Hahaha very funny joke
Who do you think is financing that AU? :D
@@Micha-qv5uf People's Republic of China
@@jasonwilliamtjandra You underestimate the western powers a little bit. What China is doing in Africa since a few years is what the US and European countries are doing since hundreds of years.
@@Micha-qv5uf yeah that's why but now China is dominating but the tactic is more or less still similar (this also applies to Western powers, China and the West are just enemies but having the same sole goal)
4:33 I really wouldn't be surprised if the second one was true...
None of their business to be truthful. What have they done in Afghanistan and Iraq is unforgettable
No the west shouldn’t intervene that way Ethiopians have no one to blame but themselves for the civil war.
Ethiopians don't want the west to intervene in the first place. The military industrial complex was the ones calling for this because they need infinite war
"Unwinnable war"
"It's been going on for more than a year"
Clowns.
europeans: "first time?"
The fact that it's been going on for a year is not how we can tell it's unwinnable. That being said, I'm sure it isn't LITERALLY unwinnable. I'm not sure of China winning in Tibet is a good comparison.
I loved how they also forgot to mention that the war didn't start because the tplf had an election which btw is against the constitution they wrote themselves in 1995 but because they attacked the national defense force base in mekele.
I'm not expert but I don't think "more than a year" is really long enough for a war to be inconclusive on that fact alone. I know there are other factors that don't give either side a huge advantage over the other and that was mentioned but they probably should've left out the time frame.
Tedros should intervene, he's done such a terrific job with the pandemic.
Lmao.
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A British person saying the only hope is a western country step in. Do you want another Libya?
I wouldn't call western intervention 'hope'
I don’t think the “benevolent West” would achieve an end to the crisis by attempting to destroy Ethiopia in order to let the TPLF besiege Adis Ababa and win the war.
The monarchy could help the situation. If they are allowed to help, I know it might seem foolish to add a third party involved but I think Ethiopians still have some respect for the monarchy, and if peace was to come, who else to trust then their former king.
Ethiopian kicked their king out, that's why he's their FORMER king.
@@akiraguy actually, it was the communist party that kicked them out, the same communist that starved the population and made Ethiopia, a living hell, for a time.
I'm not saying the king, actually emperor come to think of it, and his royal family was fully innocent in the situation, there were reasons they got kicked out outside of communisms but, that was back in the 70s, and when looking back, the monarchy that insured Ethiopian Independence, that lasted for nearly 2000 years, may look very appealing to a lot of Ethiopians who just want peace and hope.
@@FRIEND_711 Ethiopian Communist Party are still Ethiopian. sure they kicked them out because severe wealth disparaty during the late 70s but still, they kicked them out. which makes the economic conditions there worse when the king and his family took their 2000 years of wealth out. also, i really dont think the former king's family want anything to do with ethiopia now that its gone to shit. there's no taksie-backsie now.
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@@akiraguy actually, they have formed an exile government "Crown Council of Ethiopia" which their home base is in DC.
with his majesty Zera Yacob Amha Selassie as head, they have changed their policy to not be that political but to focus on protection of culture but they still can work as arbiters, I'm not saying that they should take back their throne but to help with end this civil war.
Plus the communists were not exactly majority party, they were a minority that took power and again, the situation has changed, a lot of Ethiopians today might actually want the Emperor back, call it revisionism or call it nostalgia, i truly think at this point, the monarchy is one of the best options left for the country.
@@FRIEND_711 you said it yourself that they no longer politically focus now. that's law speak for "Ethiopia can go F itself now we no longer care". they can, as you said mediate but why would they? these people are the same people who booted their grandfather out when he's the reason Ethiopia is the only african nation successfully avoid european annexation during the Scramble for Africa era. he sacrifices soo much but his very people kickes him out when the going gets tough.
me personally wont lift a finger if i got the same treatment they got.
Russia & China doesn't want a cease fire for economic reasons. Just look at the firearms they carry.
Nonsense. This is geopolitics and the prize is the red sea. Ethiopia being a lynchpin country that stabilizes east Africa means that nations like Turkey, China, Russia, Iran are all vying for influence. That, my friend, has a bigger implication than some gun sales.
4:32 u called it laughable but it has been confirmed by both hard evidence(photos) and the un it self that the un did infact give equip to tplf including satellite phones,guns,ammunition and it they admitted that the 400 trucks that they sent to tigray was given to tplf and the un never asked for the trucks back
I think people forget that intervention isn’t just sending troops. Western countries can put economic pressure on Ethiopia which may push Aiby to negotiations. The one thing that can kill a democratically elected politicians career is an economic downturn assuming he doesn’t grad power
No western interventions in Africa, please
6 % of the population cant keep the rest of 94% down. it was something that was coming for Ethiopia at some point.
Nope. Europe should not got involved in this.
Sadly they are already aiding the rebels
If only disagreeing politicians fought their own wars in a cage match or something similar, I would have no problem with it.
What a ignorant statement
Politicians are just speakers/representatives of a group of people, the conflicts exist for many reasons
If the people on both sides would refuse to kill eachother, politicians wouldn't be able to make them fight
People have been fighting for thousends of years even without them
If you go an assasinate the head of one side they will replace it with another and it goes on
@@abobanger9054 Yeah let's pretend the common citizens in warring nations even care about the vast majority of conflicts they find themselves in. You know exactly what I meant, stop picking needless arguments online.
@@mathewomolo you are the one making false statements, most people care for the conflicts their nations are in and are also a huge part of the problem
If you think people living in nations like russia, turkey or serbia don't support their politicians and the conflicts they cause you should take a closer look at them
They are mostly patriotic, many even nationalist people and want conflicts (as long as their chances to win them seem good) and are supportive of their goverment
This isn't USA that's meddling into afairs it's people don't want it to we are talking about, most contries and it's conflicts exist due to the mindset and demands of the people living in there
@@abobanger9054 I dont think all Americans knew Bush lied about WMDs to invade Iraq or that every German knew Hitler was killing people in camps. History is filled with examples of wars started on falsehoods. The reasons for war are only known by the ruling class. Yes, we can blame the citizens for tolerating despots but the buck stops with whoever had the right to declare war. It is the job of a leader to not march his people to a war they are largely ignorant about. A bad leader will flame hatred and indifference, and therefore you can never blame all Germans or Russians for Hitler or Stalin's shortcomings.
WW1 was literally a royal family feud gone bad. When some of us get into family feuds, we don't march millions to their deaths to fight for us.
@@mathewomolo im ethiopian politics is difficult but tbh i dont want to be involved or affected by this war ... so your right
Since this a civil war, let's not make it worse. (Looks at the past interventions and their impactful legacies) DEFINITELY not make worse.
Yes because that worked so well the last few times
In Ethiopia now, except for physical intervention, all forms of support are already flowing to the rebels through international agencies and the media.
What a clown 🤡
I'm Ethiopian. I found this video as the most comprehensive and balanced analysis of the current situation in Ethiopia. Ethiopians are tired of the war and the humanitarian crisis. Inflation has plagued the country since the war started. People want the war to end. Military intervention by the West cannot solve the problem. There can be no other solution than genuine negotiation. Unless the USA and EU stop funding his regime, Abiy Ahmed will not agree to negotiate.
Why are you blaming Abiy when it's the TPLF that's controlling Amhara and Afar lands? I hope the war goes on so we can either destroy the TPLF or get rid of Tigray as a whole.
@@shush1506 "Get rid of Tigray" is just like Nazi Germany's anti-Jewish mantra.
@@DamascusDivineNotes get rid of tigray as in let them secede so we can finally have peace. I don't mean exterminate a whole ethnic group.
I'm an Ethiopian(non-Tigrayan) myself. What if Abiy doesn't want to negotiate tho? He would probably get what he needs from China, UAE, and so on. I don't recommend a full intervention involving foreign troops on the ground, but I would agree with a limited intervention consisting of only airstrikes, just like Bosnia and Kosovo. Abiy will either negotiate or be decisively defeated when his drones are out of the equation.
@@BM-df9bp you don't have to be a tegaru to be a TPLF supporter... you just have to be a tribal extremist. Seeing how you want the TPLF to win, you seem to be one.
The west can take diplomatic action, but that's it, Africa's future is to be decided by Africans and Ethiopias future by Ethiopians.
Even more so in a conflict where "the good guys" are not very obviously visible.
Besides western intervention doesn't have a great track record for the past two decades.
Probmle is there’s no such thing as Africans blacks never had claim to the whole continent
well researched and unbiased