Yeah, that jumped out at me. There's five or six countries between Tunisia and Iran, including 3 bigger than Tunisia. The third closest country is Italy.
@@neonbunnies9596 but tunis isn't near iran tunis is closer to Sweden than to iran, this is like in nearby syria when you're living in germany. also most of Tunisians are sunni Muslims and iran is shia which means that a revolution in iran doesn't mean shit to Tunisians.
@@neonbunnies9596 Tunisia is nothing like Iran. Tunisia is a civil, almost secular state.. also a flawed democracy with considerable amount of liberties and freedom.. trying to develop into a liberal democracy. Iran is a theocratic rogue state leading proxy wars, developing nuclear weapons and threatening world peace.
(I am not an English speaker, but I do my best to express myself ) I am Tunisian, this video explains 30% of what is happening in my country, it does not speak of the parliamentarians prosecuted for corruption, money laundering, appology of terrorism ..., this video does not speak of judge Bechir el Akermi which for years dissolved almost 6,000 terrorism cases on behalf of ennahdha, this video does not talk about what Noureddine Lebhiri, a member of the ennahdha partie, did, when he was minister of justice, instead of firing the corrupt judges of Ben Ali's regime he used them on behalf of Ennahdha in the same way that Ben Ali used them, by putting pressure on them with corruption files, this video does not talk about what is called 'secret apparatus' (or secret unit) of Ennahdha who is involved in the bombings of Monastir and Sousse, in 1987, and in the bombing of Bab Souika, on February 17, 1991, during which two guards were burned alive and suspected of the murder of Chokri Bel aid and Mohammed el Brahmi, this video does not talk about the 3,000 to 6,000 Tunisian terrorists who were able to easily leave the country to go and fight in Syria, which made us the number one provider of terrorists in the world in 2015, so much that has happened since the revolution of January 14, 2011 until July 25, 2021, you think that a 12-minute video like these and which is visibly not neutral will summarize for you 10 years of existence which ultimately led to the decisions taken by the president of the republic in July 25, 2021 ! the date of the resumption of our revolution, we did not live in a real democracy, we lived in a facade democracy, but now we are building a real democracy, we are building our third republic
such is the danger of simplifications, alot is left out. though from what little i know of the situation, it does not seem like this new president is building a dictatorship just yet, he is simply doing what the law says he should do when the country stops working. however, what the law says to do looks alot like how you set up a dictatorship. if he doesn't solve this crisis quickly, or if he secretly has corrupt motivations, tunisia could fall back into dictatorship.
I am not a fan of democracy.. If your country wants to build a real democracy then you must have reasonable freedom of the press. The governments attacks of journalists and news agencies for being "sympathetic" to their opponents will degrade your democracy. I hope your country is able to form a stable, non extremist government that begins to care for its citizens
@@pebblepod30 I am not an unconditional support for the president, but for the moment I support his decisions taken since July 25, he is not a dictator we all know that, even his opponents like Ennahdha say that he is not one, his decisions proves it, we are 18 days after July 25 and yet no one has been arrested without proof against him, his opponents spend hours talking freely and criticizing the president on radio and TV, so I am not afraid for our freedoms, but because of his lack of political experience, I am afraid that he will make bad decisions, I am afraid that he does not know how to manage this historic and unique opportunity to hunt corrumpus and terrorist of power and put us back on the rails our transition to a truly democratic Tunisia
Hello there, Tunisian here, I am seeing in this video a looot of misinformation and non proven facts like the assassinations and such. Many claim that Ennahda were behind all these terrorist ploys since they happened during their time in power. Heck the assassinations happened in Ghannouchi's neighborhood, two blocks near his highly protected mansion. Also, most of the power struggle happening wasn't because of religion, but because of the rich families holding power in the country, where you find a lot of laws and regulations favoring monopoly in many important industries, with a lot of corruption coming from the parliament. Let's not forget the fact that tens of thousands of terrorists trials were put under the rug during the Nahdha power period, and they were let free, which led to the huge surge of brainwashed tunisians going to Jihad in Syria and Iraq with ISIS. The religious debate is what's happening with the general populace on the surface, while actual tensions is because of high corruption and not properly executing the law (law applies only to the marginalized and poor) Finally, despite the current president's using the vague law to gain power, that law was said to be ambiguous by some memebers of the parliaments when it was instated in the constitution in 2014, however it was brushed off by nahdha and nidaa members as being fine as it is. The way I am seeing this is that every party wanted to use that law to their advantage, just to find themselves losing to an independent candidate that no one really knew and no one could buy off. I also need to state that I do not necessarily support the current president blindly, though his current actions had brought the country to its feet quite fast. He's been actually fighting corruption with a lot of trials against members of parliament that had their immunity removed, and other members of the government old or current. He might become a dictator since he has the possibility to do so, but let's not forget that he isn't an army man like Sisi is or in any other military coups in the world. Islam isn't really the issue but the fact to make tunisia an islamist country is. Though the nahdha's ways were pretty hypocritical by letting salafist roam as they pleased, to even brainwash my friends, while nahdha was watching even though they held enough power to stop it with ease, it was way too fishy. Additionally let's not forget that many nahdha and other islamist parliament members had pretty extremist opinions they wanted to instate, many of which are against human rights freedoms. Aaand finally, during the ben ali regime, and even bourguiba regime, it wasn't only nahdha members that were tortured and killed, any kind of opposition was, so let'ts not make them into the special martyrs that want themselves to be in the eyes of the public. They even admitted to terrorist attacks back in the 80's in trial and even after the 2011 revolution, which is why they were trialed for death penalty. Ben Ali took the opportunity to rise into power thanks to foreign help and the rest is history. Also I forgot to mention this, the 25 july "coup" was also instigated by a lot of riots against nahdha party for wanting to claim a huge amount of money as reparations for what happened to them during the Ben Ali regime, which isn't the time to ask for a huge sum of money that the country can't produce while being in Debt, having issues with the IMF, and in the worst covid spike in cases and deaths. Ghannouchi even threatened that if they don't get the money before July 25th, the nahdha youth will go out and protest (the youth doesn't exist ironically) so everyone went out to protest that night and Kais Saied did what he did that night. He also did that because of how the prime minister did poorly to deal with the crisis, with him going to a 5 star hotel with fellow transport minister two weekends in a row during the worst spike of deaths from covid. I can talk more details about this all day, but this isn't something that can be recapitulated in a 10 minutes video unfortunately so it's hard for people outside Tunisia and the countries around to form a proper opinion about this.
Keep in mind this channel and its videos aren't intended as in depth analysis. They are here to give a good enough general overview and point out the important, relevant information. Details of internal squabbles and finger pointing is irrelevant. This channel rarely talks about things that haven't been sufficiently proven. Sure, you might have internal arguments about who is lying and who is the bad guy but the international community doesn't care for that.
@@borutb11 The international community cares because many countries have stuff to gain from our country. The international community only cares about human rights violations and illegal oppressive activity when it suits their agenda and needs. The situation in our country shouldn't even be something of note to the world as more important and serious stuff is happening that must warrant international focus. And if I have to say who the bad guy is, all of the people in power are, from the oligarchs in our country to each country trying to spread its influence with disregard to the country's economic and social situation, heck they're using it to their advantage (like Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, France, Italy, Spain, China and of course the US) Though you're right, the international community shouldn't care about their country's external relations and affairs.
4:05 Wikileaks scandal in 2019? I guess that was in 2009, makes more sense. 8:35 The left graph is 2014, not 2019. Speaker is right but graph is wrong.
@@GeraldDeBelen So many editing mistakes in many TLDR videos man (e.g. wrong political party name/colors, wrong country flags, etc.) and it's honestly super irritating that they still haven't bothered to literally get other people to proof read their video content before uploading them. And TLDR would rather prioritize speed over accuracy in churning out content as fast as they could. This has been going on for months now, and I wish TLDR really fucking proof-reads their own content and slows down their uploads. If they were worried about the youtube algorithm, then maybe they shouldn't had create like 4 different TLDR channels.
I am a spaniard. I visited Tunisia in 2006 with my wife. We had a great, old and wise guide, who told us his view about the history, politics, education, and economy of the country. We both both felt in love with Tunisia. Is hard to behold and to believe the evolution since then. I wish the best for Tunisia what, for me, is a Liberal democracy able to let religion out of politics without violence on it's side. And able to protect citizens without discrimination for or against religious person's. Difficult, but not impossible. Watch the United States evolution.
@@sunset2.00 It's not easy, and it's not exactly "out of politics", but out of despotic rule. Each religion (and non religious thought) believes it has found THE way for people to be fair and good and happy. That leads to inevitable collisions. We can solve it with an ethics based on individual freedom to choose, and to share the public space with people you strongly disagree with. Freedom of speech and debate is essential. And the freedom to leave your faith without being prosecuted, although you might have to pay a penalty if you are leaving a concrete community and causing actual harm. Is very difficult. But I think the US jurisprudence has advanced quite a lot in concrete solutions to concrete conflicts, acceptable to all sides IF all of them accept the basic premises derived of individual freedom. SO, say, you can defend on a religious bases the right to non educate women out of home till -say- 18, but someone who had access to your home could sue you for harassment If you are having that person in a cage, instead of homeschooling or even working-in-family. And, in any case, once that person stops being underage, if she wants to leave, you can't stop her lawfully, although you might sue her if she leaves later, to get a compensation, because your legal duties to raise a kid ends at 18. Is strange, and somewhat "cold" and complex. But it's better that in-family or in-community violence, or forced and unitarian laicism, or religion. E.g. see how the Mormon's communities in the USA live.
I'm Tunisian, and this video was disappointing I expected better. In fact, it was full of inaccuracies and mistakes: -starting with the name of the first president ''bourgiba" not "bougriba'' -He didn't change the official language to French it remained Arabic. -4:05 They said :scandal in 2019 while they meant 2009 -8:35 The left graph is 2014, not 2019. -he said the number of refugees was 15k and they wrote 150K And I believe he talked too much about the past of the country - ofc it's essential to know the history of a nation to understand its contemporary problems but not as deep- instead of trying to focus on the current situation. The real dispute: First, to make it clear the dispute in the country isn't entirely based on the ideology it s not a fight between secularists and islamists (Saied is conservative btw). But over the political system: because it isn't presidential nor parliamentary just a mix in between - it s too complicated to explain- and Saied wants to transform it into a presidential one because he believes that this system failed to maintain its main purpose. The situation: Even though I don't entirely support Saied decisions, I don't consider it a coup. In fact, it was necessary to end the corruption of both the government and the parliament . These politicians were too busy fighting over power to care about people's interest. We have been waiting for ten years since 2011 without seeing any significant change: three elections and 5 presidents and acting presidents. Yet, things are just getting worse we didn't achieve the economic prosperity we expected after the revolution. The economy is crushing, national debt and poverty and unemployment rates are increasing. The situation became unbearable that many Tunisian chose to leave the country for good. The pandemic made it worse: The government failed to contain the virus people are dying, hospitals are completely full, the health care system collapsed. The people were fed up with this situation which was only getting worse over time without any clear vision for the future or any attempt to create an economic program to overcome these crises. While people were dying, the ruling party "Annahdha" was asking for compensation because of what happened to them during pre-revolution era instead of trying to find solutions. The parliament wasn't passing any serious laws because the representatives were busy fighting. This constitutional crisis could be avoided if "The Constitutional Court" - the only constitutional establishment capable of solving disputes between the president and the parliament- was established. However, it was supposed to be established 7 years ago. And - funny enough - the parties failed since 2014 to set their differences apart and elect its members. The problem with A Nahdha: It was accused of funding terrorism, assassinations, receiving funds from outside, and corruption. These accusations are still claims without enough proof to support nor deny them. And before the president announced his decision people went to streets to protest demanding to overthrow the parliament. In the end, I'm not entirely for nor against Saied and I especially don't support his attack on AL Jazeera - it was just unjustified. But something had to be done we couldn't wait anymore. Let's hope that the situation gets better sooner than later. I tried to give a general overview as a Tunisian 🇹🇳 because western news media won't be as accurate as the people living here in describing the situation. I hope you understand a little of what is happening in here.
When you look deep into it you understand that it was a war between secularists and Islamists that's why he choosed to star the video from 1965 and bourguiba's decisions that ghanouchi and Islamls groups (not only in Tunisia) didn't like, then they came back imposed to rule in 2011 elected by fool ignorant people in the cover of democracy, Alnahtha was the number 1 producer of terrorists in the world do not forget that and their future plan was to make Tunisia a full Muslim country with Sheria law, you know nothing kid, you must understand ghanouchi is inspired by who and what he really wants from us
our case is very very weird, there is no civil war, neither did the army take over, we are just stuck with our own ideological problems, im happy that this is the worst of it, but it just does not seem that there will be any solution.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 Al jazeera also spread fake news and incited to violence thats why its Bureau was closed, al jazeera was not banned and the journalists were not expelled
something the western liberals don't comprehend. If you can't accept Nazi party or a Commie party in your elections. Governments here can also ban political Islam in the MiddleEast
I mean you say that but plenty of countries still appeal to religion all the fucking time. The US for example has freedom of religion and yet, religion plays a HUGE role in a lot of political issues. From LGBTQ+ rights to abortion.
@@kojoarmah3915 The world is moving on and views about society are becoming more liberal. Traditional societal views from religion are only holding us back.
Please spend more time fact checking and making sure your animations are correct. Every video there are errors, and while you can look past them, it's becoming a theme that all of your videos aren't properly animated. Would prefer higher quality vids that take longer to be released than half-done videos that are pumped out quickly!
From what I’ve read from the comments I want to clarify a thing or two : First that the real western concept that doesn’t fit well Islamic societies is secularism being undemocratically imposed on a Muslim majority population and so the problem is not necessarily democracy. Secondly is that too much people tend to think that secularism=democracy and that’s completely false.
@@cageybee7221 Secularism just means seperation of church and state. It has nothing to do with feedom of thought/expression or democracy. A country could be secular and not allow for freedom of thought/expression (like Nazi Germany or Communist China for example). Also a democratic country could be governed by religious law as long as those laws are democratically voted in.
@@cageybee7221 lol and it's democratic when any opinion is banned regardless of popularity just because it is associated with a religion? Just say you're a hypocrite lol .
I am tunisian and we re so happy with change cuz "nahdha" or the islamics make us more poor and we re with our president and he is respect democraty in our country and no one can make our democraty change.. tunisia is more safe now for everyone❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@hmmm3210 we will take the responsability of what will happen.. we re tunisian and always we can change our country to be better.. we change it in the revolution 2011.. we will change it more and more to what we need as a better country
As a Tunisian adult, I believe that the approach of this video is myopic. It overlooks all the laxness and corruption of the lately dissolved parliament. Our inchoate democracy ,gained after the romanticized the jasmine revolt, failed to secure the people's life. Our parliament failed direly to orchestrate the country in a time of a stately crisis. Both Islamist and Secularists failed us. We wanted to change that since we are the ones who voted them in. The understanding of the notion of "Democracy" must be revolutionized and not reinstated to its previous perverted sense. We the people, wanted this change when we gathered the 25th of July in front of the parliament. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE now to go back to the pre-2011 dictatorship, and it's not possible to redress a corrupt parliament and government. The people that deposed Ben Ali 10 years ago is capable of safeguarding the long-cherished democracy which he procured with Blood and sacrifice, and though this democracy has only relatively secured an unprecedented freedom of expression, it failed to secure our right to live a dignified life with no "impoverishment" because Tunisia is rich. Up to this moment, all is good the president started sustaining previous cases of MPs corruption and theft. The vision is clearer, yet the situation is still precarious. Further sober views will be vindicated with time but there's no going back.
@@jokuvaan5175 I know, I was joking. Jokes aside, though, don't forget fascism is a modern western system too. Historically, a very attractive system in the Middle East, even after WW2.
If the first president let everyone vote in 1956. Tunisia would have become an Islamist shithole like Afghanistan. People were too religious and fundamentalists back then.
salafism is sunni islam throught the understanding of the first 3 muslim generation ( sahaba and muhammad , tabuin , tabuin al tabuin ) so salafis is not equal to extremism but certain salafis are extrimist
Salafism is a mode of though in sunni Islam. Any Muslim/non-Muslim seeing it as a sect or a branch is misinformed. Muslims staying true to the religion and denying any form of modern filth and ideologies is called being a real Muslims.
@@themercifulguard3971 well you can equally say that Presbyterianism is a mode of thought in christianity, but that doesn't stop them being a branch of christianity, and really the difference between a sect and a denomination is in christianity now really only used prejudicially, but technically is the same thing. If we talk about sectarian issues it normally means two modes of thought (often within a group) in disagreement; and if they agreed they would be the same mode of thought. So the argument is fundamentally flawed.
@@oamaizingo3733 OK that is a reasonable point that Salafism is essentially trying to go back to basics, not unlike groups in other faiths. However that period was a time of great military expansion and also severe punishments that may not have been unusual at that time which is why they are seen as extremists today. That doesn't mean they are terrorists, and some military attacks I have been near have given rise to pity from me: people with swords attacking automatic assault rifles!
Tunisian here, the analysis is actually good, few mistakes here and there but you actually were able to detect the main problem with Tunisia: the coalitions of the parliamentary system were not coming from a shared project, different ideologies wanting to share power, always considering Tunisian government as a cake that needs to be carved out, this would be good if they were not corrupt!!! as you could see ennahdha was in every coalition since 2011, regardless of ideology, what happened this month made them the scapegoat of everything wrong with Tunisia, also their power grabs in key positions in the justice system were not helpful, I believe that a fractured multi party system was detrimental in what happened here, we should have been like UK system at least(two big prties holding each other accountable) , or a presidential system like France, At the end, for me and a majority of Tunisians we believe that something should have happened, and it did, Tunisian government was in a deadlock for 10 years, let's just hope Kais Said don't abuse too much power and lead us to a road map to a better Tunisia.
Yup Tunisians should have focused on the parliamentary elections too , instead they only focused on the presidential election thus obtaining an islamist parliament and a secular president , which is worse is that the regime is shared between these two who are directly opposite in ideology(the regime is not purely parliamentary or purely presidential as u said xD) ; Next time don't ignore the parliamentary elections and elect a secular party there , greetings from Monastir xD
@@mochalo4912 You make a good point, the mindsets of Tunisians is always gravitating towards a presidential figure rather than what we "agreed" on in the constitution of 2014, mainly because of over 50 years of an "absolute" (dictatorship) presidential system, it shows two things, Democracy in Tunisia is young and fragile and Tunisians are still thinking about the idea of a representation by "that charismatic leader" like Bourguiba. My main problem with what you said is that we have a President who were given no real powers by the constitution ( made by Ennahdha and it's allies after winning the 2011 election on the basis of the slogan "Islam is in danger"). Ennahdha knew that Tunisians voter turnout will always be better in a presidential elections than parlimentary election. And knew that a second presidential runoff will never get them to Carthage, regardless of the personality they choose. In the end, The 2014 constitution and election laws are a disaster, a president who can't even raise a referendum on vital issues, a multi party system that allows a 20% "majority" to form a government and vague laws that made a constitutional court to never see the light. Greetings from Sfax :)
While I won't speak for whether the more authoritarian regime is a good or bad thing, what this ultimately tells us is that the implementation of modern democracy with a specifically western-oriented ideology that bulldozes over cultural specificity will eventually swing a country's politics hard in the opposite direction down the line. It's the same story with the history of Turkish modernization. If democracy is going to work, it can't be pushed as just a one-size-fits-all framework that gets transplanted wholesale into any culture in the blind chase for modernization and development. The idea that western values alone represent progress has long run its course and a new more self-aware post-colonial mindset needs to be pushed.
Yeah id agree, but a lot of things such as: womens equality, minority rights and "religious tolerance" should be ground 0 atleast man. Without these, we might as well just go back to tge mindset that let us be colonized in the first place.
Authoritarianism leads too easily to corruption. Everyone in power should be able to be held accountable by someone. In democracies the leaders are held accountable by the people. The first Tunisian president didn't even follow his own ideals of "western democracy" because he banned a whole political party that was only a threat to his own ideals. Then persecuted people based on their political views and religion. It wouldn't have mattered what his own religion or political allignment was, that kind of action will ultimately lead to uprisings and terrorism.
Although I agree that western democracy isn't one size fits all (heck even in the west it's not the same system everywhere), the problem in Muslim-majority countries is how do you account for the political identity of Islam in any kind of political system outside of authoritarianism? Most of the time it's not homogenous societies with one set of values and beliefs. And the policies of Islamic parties (usually some sort of "Shariaa Laws" are the best source of governance) never work without flat out tyranny. Yet still, because the ideology of a large sector of the population is fundamentally opposed to freedom of the individual and democracy in most of its forms, modern democratic systems also rarely work. From my personal experience, it seems that the most successful system is some kind of oligarchic monarchy like Uman, UAE, Jordan or Morocco. It does highly depend on the feelings and competence of the ruler, but it creates a more or less stable political centre. We sometimes joke in Syria that if Assad the father had called it a "kingdom" instead of a "republic" from the start, much of the *troubles* wouldn't have happened XD
Guess what? these also happened after the French revolution, and divorce was then banned in France for nearly a century. These things need to happen eventually.
I perfectly agree. People tend to link Democracy with Western, which shouldn't be the case at all. Arab leaders need to think of making an Eastern Democracy based on their own Arab and Islamic values, and Democracy. Like in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, these countries formed a democracy while also maintaining their own Religions (Malaysia and Indonesia) and Cultures. Arab Countries need to do the same.
As an Israeli, it's a shame to see the only other democracy in the middle east/north Africa go. I hope they hold out! It'd a shame islamists (and far right populists in the west) are like this.
@@mattf9156 first of all de facto absolutely, the Palestinian authority has control over large parts of the west Bank. As to de jure, it honestly comes down to your definition of terms like "sovereign" and "state". If your question is whether Palestine *should* be a free/sovereign state, then that is a much more complicated question, and so is my opinion on it.
Democracy didn't fail what people have to remember is what Democracy is and how it also often involves compromising. Democracy involves the views of the majority and we might not always like those views. I visited Tunisia before the Arab Spring from another Arab country it was more politically democratic but more conservative; while Tunisia was restrictive but liberal.
it takes time for a population to get used to democratic rule, once a large majority understands that it's less risky than autocratic rule on the price of action speed, and that majority deems that as more important, that will be the moment when that democracy will become stable. the current crises sadly require quick action, and a gridlocked government isn't really good at those.
the more societal contact the population as a whole has to other countries the easier it should be, I'd say, though I don't have any statistics on that
the response time problems are exactly what provisions like article 80 are for, when democracy can't do it the government can act like an autocracy with controls.
@@cageybee7221 the issue there is that using something like that in a country whose population does not support democracy yet, can lead to autocracy, historical example would be Weimar Germany.
@@tytube3001 there's a lot of Muslims completely fine with democracy. sure with Mohammad having been a political leader as well as a religious one, Islam has a bigger claim on politics than Christianity does, but that just takes education and time. the same way as the pope can't influence politics the way he did in ages past, Islam will be able to adapt too. It just takes time.
Make more videos about African counties , there is so much going on , would love to see one about my county Angola we have presidential elections next year and might be the most challenging ones since 1992
The first question to reflect on is: did the French install a democracy, or a dictator who would need aid from his old master in exchange for 'investment' from the same? Secondly, how quickly can an elite used to colonial/dictatorial rule transition to actual democracy? When a ruling class is used to getting its own way by threat of force & blaming an out-group, it takes time to absorb the habit of negotiating with ideologically opposed politicians. Tunisia is still transitioning.
your second point about describes western democracy. You don't think elites are fastly over represented in western democratic systems? Pointing fingers and finding scapegoats and not taking responsibility is exactly democratic. The only reason why democracy can be stable is because the majority of the country supports the ones that hold power. Unlike a dictatorship or one party state where the ones in power have to force their control.
The policies of the first president seem so politically close to France and dumbass considering what kind of country he was in charge of that I wouldn't be surprised at all if French gave him the power.
@@jokuvaan5175 it was a trend back then. A Turkish leader called Attaturk secularized Turkey and it was perceived as relatively successful by some other authoritarian leaders. Those leaders tried to emulate Attaturk. E.g. The Shah of Iran banned burka's, westernized education, females were allowed to study and work (in fact, you could go to prison for denying entry to a woman into a public place). Stuff like that. Several others also tried. Tunisia was just one more of these countries with an authoritarian leader trying to secularize the country by force. It was too much, all at once and of course there would be a religious pushback. In our time, Singapore is the new poster child for successful authoritarian governments. Most people don't know that dispite having some of the highest living standards in the world, Singapore is an actual dictatorship. Countries like China are trying to emulate Singapore's dictator style success.
You missed some key details here you should have highlighted how Said suspended the parliament he should have consulted the constitutional court, the prime minister and the head of the parliament which is the the head of Nahda himself but he didn’t do also he put himself as the Prosecutor, this is unheard of in parliamentary system where the president has limited powers, and the day before the end of 30 days deadline he declared thats he was facing some threats of assassination (not the first time he says this) but there were no investigation was open and he said “ it was buy a party that has islamic background” then The next day he suspended the Parliament Indefinitely and also no law supporting him to do so because that Decision should have been made after the consultation the pairlememt it self and the constitutional court too, you referring to the result he got during the election as a support for is actions is misleading since these actions almost 2 years after his election and people didn’t know if this would happen, people voted for him mainly as punishment for the usual parties and as protest against the economical situation the country was in, some MPs of Nahda were arrested already and many are not allowed to leave the country, also I don’t m ow what you call Nahda as islamist while they are practicing democracy they should be called islamic party same as you call Christian parties Christin parties in the west
We are Islamic people and our country are democratic Republic, there is no one can change this, and there is no split between us, Allah Akbar and free tunisia 🇹🇳🇵🇸
@@zaoyon9309 They are both foreign re-interpretations of the previous Judean God. Both epics wich equally belong in a bookshelf - False images of creation wich shouldn't be worshiped within the 21th century.
@@Bln-f9u This is due to your lack of knowledge of the Islamic religion, nothing more. You cannot hate them or defend something you do not know, my friend.
you cant copy and paste democracy from one country to another. you must let the country find a system for themselves no matter what it is. postcolonialism bs how did Europe find democracy France had a french revolution and Britain had Oliver Cromwell. people should stop interfering nobody wants better for their country than their own citizens eventually things always get better because everyone basically wants the same thing. economic growth stability a centralized system etc.
the vast majority of the population celebrate this move by the president, the politicians in the parliment are very corupt which has caused many issues in the nation.
First of all, he didn't act fully by the article 80, but partially. You can see read by yourself here: 80: In the event of imminent danger threatening the nation’s institutions or the security or independence of the country, and hampering the normal functioning of the state, the President of the Republic may take any measures necessitated by the exceptional circumstances, *after consultation with the Head of Government and the Speaker of the Assembly of the Representatives of the People and informing the President of the Constitutional Court.* The President shall announce the measures in a statement to the people. You see he just triggered the first part of the article, ignoring the rest, which means that it was illegal. Not just he has also appointed himself attorney general. You see what he did there? It is a pure coup. Even almost all political parties are against it
The secular dictatorship became to secular leading to a more democratic religious constitution leading to instability and becoming poorer . And me saying that the the first 30 years of 20tg Century Portugal was a complicated time
Nahda has nothing to do with Iran but it is closer to muslim brotherhood in egypt also I dont know why you call it islamist party and not islamic party? In the west you say christian party not christianist party
Although not tackling all aspects of the situation (probably cuz it'd be too lengthy), I'd say Bravo for your unbiased work and stating facts as accurately as possible (unlike all the media spreading misinformation about us). Thank you! I'm happy to support such great journalists! P.S. Arabic has never been replaced by French. It was/still is the second language. (Tunisiaan Constitution 1959, Art.1)
This is a surprisingly well researched video. The problem in Tunisia is that corruption has suffocated the society so much that there is little structure in the society that allows for a transition into what we westerners understand as democracy. The economy is a web of monopolies owned or controlled by afew families and reinforced by governmental institutions. Islamists are rooted more in international islamist organisations than in the Tunisian society. There is next to no political participation. Thre is no vision, only anger and rejection for the old cleptocracy and the new chaos. The president is popular because he removed the current generation of thieves, but nobody really has an alternative to offer, the president included.
Great video, though there seem to be some factual inaccuracies looking through the comments. Please start making a "sources"-site in the description and add a form to your website where people can leave constructive feedback on your videos.
Now the question from comments and recent trends of videos with graphical errors, is the review n check policy of Tldr not working properly? I see a lot of small small mistakes here n there n see even more comments pointing them out. Like number being 100 but saying it 1000 or like putting year order in graphs as 2008, 2019 then 2012
@@haithemnafti63 Germany also experienced the same instability after the November revolution before it fell for a demagogue, who had to fall for the nation to become a prosperous democracy
@@yeneraras7403 Being from a former french colony, we learn too little about german history, pesonally i find it more interesting especially the HRE and the rise of Prussia and the 1871 War with france. Germany has always been great power. According to the Higuelian dialectic we will become eventually a democraty, personally, i think that kais said is not the saviour, dispite what 87% of tunisians think of him today. We should forget about the saviour myth that arab people dream of. The Western powers can push tunisia toward democraty like they did with Spain and Portugal. The danger is that many countries especially France still believe that a Stable ( and docile) Dictatroship is better than an uncertain democraty. They shamelessly supported Ben Ali when his police was killing us in 2011. Also we can not become fully democratic untill we transform our inslamists into something like the CDU.
Watching this video makes me wonder if Proportional Representation is somewhat overrated. Sure, it's arguably more democratic, but if nothing gets done and the governments keep tearing themselves apart, then what's the point?
Secularism is a good goal. Tunisia is seen by westerners as a good place to go on holiday. Bourghiba did not gain favours by being authoritarian but he opposed religious fundamentalism but the Tunisian people seem to back this. I am sad to see criminals hijacking mosques
A Tunisian here , this video doesn't cover exactly what's been happening since 25th of July and it's almost the same discourse Al Jazeera and other Islamist loyalists are trying to push on how democracy had failed and how Tunisia is becoming Egypt etc . Our president Qais Saied was elected in a fair election and all he did was legal and constitutional , he froze the parliament with all his representatives for 30 days at a critical time when all of them started demanding atrocious reparations of million dollars for themselves because of the Pandemic while thousands of people were dying weekly with little to no proper medical care at all , plus the false promises of vaccines made by government officials that caused an outrage across country . The Nahdha party and their loyalists were the only ones that benefited from the 2011 uprisings where they were the only people who got reparations , huge amounts of external aids and asylums , financial privileges and job market chances while the rest of population continue to suffer . Ever since the new people got in charge of the situation , the situation began to heal and look much better with the military taking responsibility on distributing vaccines and health care , a lot of closed corruption cases were re-opened and a lot of representatives are being prosecuted for it etc , about 99% of Tunisians support their president and there's no civil war or clashes happening like most medias are saying . If Democracy means a dozen of political parties sucking this country dry for their own interest leaving the rest of us starving to death , then we're better off without it . Long Live Tunisia .
Yeah Algeria is the black sheep of the Maghreb politically, it's republic really wishes to be half as functioning as Tunisia's lowest point or half as stable as Morocco's monarchy. This country is such a mess, I have no clue of how in 50 years it hasn't managed to solve anything of note whereas Tunisia managed to build something stable and functioning (even if it was a dictatorship) less than 5 years after independence, you'd think something meaningful would have been achieved by now ....
@@sephikong8323 Algeria isn't that bad Yes it's like any Arabic county today full of corruption but less worst then in Tunisia or other Arabian countries
Now that democracy has failed in Tunesia it means that the Arab spring produced 0 democracies as all MENA democracies seem to have failed. Might also have been partially the fault of the west for not propping up these new fledging democracies financially to ensure a more democratic world.
When a contry fail is because of the intervention of the west when an other contry fail it's because of his non intervantion,that's kind of hypocritical.
it's also because every single time a country start transitioning to a democracy. every single great and regional power(iran, russia, usa, turkey, china, france, uk.)starts intervening with the elections and starts bribing politicans left and right in hopes of establishing a puppet government in the country. which leads to either. 1. a corrupt political becoming the head of the state who's going to transition the country into a dictatorship since the winner between the Great powers doesn't want to lose control of his government. 2. a civil war between all parties sponsored by these great powers and the winner of the civil war will also establish a dictatorship.
Tunisias democracy has not failed, its just too young, Morocco, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait and Israel are all democracies, not very stable ones but they are very Young, it's normal, it also happened in Latin America in the 80s whrn they díd their transition
6:46 salafism isn't hardcore islamism, there are literally secularist salafies, salafism is a theological group with certain beliefs about God's nature, things like is the beard mandatory or not, is the niqab mandatory for women, etc....,(that's an oversimplification) I know this sounds like hardcore islamism for westerners but in Muslim countries this isn't considered islamism, it just so happens that salafism was prominent in countries like Saudi Arabia and similar countries, and the political salafists in Egypt were very radical about the change they wanted, that they were considered hardcore or hardliners, but really salafism is just a theological group, not a political one
The original problem of all of this are the hardline secularist political ideals that were undemocratically imposed on the Tunisian people by Bourguiba at the first place, Tunisia is a homogeneously Muslim majority country and if it’s people want Islamic laws to be implemented that’s their legitimate right.
@@haithemnafti63 as good of an idea as that is, he will need a political organization to achieve it, a political party to abolish political parties in a system built around them.
kinda sad that many muslim countries after ww1/2 went from a strong modernization efforts and ideas like pan arabism to islamist dystopias in a few decades
Oil and US' paranoia of communism was the reason for that. US supported regimes change around the globe, they prefer to support fundamentalist over nationalistic leaders. Oil money led to misconception that islam = prosperity. You see oil rich countries like saudi arabia, uea, qatar, brunei all are living in extravagant life funded by oil money, this gave false impression that islam = prosperity to many other muslims in the world.
It looks to me like a lot of the problems in Tunisia stem from hard-line secularists in the government making the Islam an enemy. Sure, an economic crisis is disruptive but the majority of the problems seem to be caused by the government being overly heavy handed.
it's also the case that for Islamists it is incomprehensible to detach religion from politics. This is, unfortunately, the case in every single islam-majority country from the Atlantic to South East Asia. This situation oftentimes creates instability and internal conflict because even for Muslims themselves, many don't want the Quraan to be the state's constitution. Case and point Syria and Egypt. In the former many ended up in the camp of a brutal criminal dictatorial regime because the "opposition" factions were basically 50 shades of ISIS. In the latter, an Islamic party did manage to win elections and come into power. However, the population quickly became disillusioned with their policies and favoured the military to take over. The problems of Lebanon, Iran, Turkey,...etc all stem from the same problem, i.e. the political identity of islam.
@@darthcalanil5333 in both Syria and Egypt if democratic elections were held Islamic parties would have won, but unfortunately in Syria the dictator preferred to shoot his own people instead of leaving power and in egypt an Islamic democracy party won but was ousted by a military coup (without necessarily majority approval from the people) a year after their rise to power
If you look at what he targeted, it’s clear that he’s retaliating against the corruption. As a law professor, he understands that before any economic investment can be had in the country, it must first be trusted. For that, you need people with integrity.
the problem with Tunisia is the interference of foreign countries in its politics :UAE;France;Qatar and Turkey and the last crisis was just a power struggle between the two sides .
Does literally no one rewatch the video before it is released? There are so many simple graphical/script mistakes within this video. Very unprofessional, you should be embarrassed.
You can't just simply bring First world values like democracy & secularism into the third world landscape, it is bound to fail. it unfortunately didnt work out for tunisia as expected
This makes no sense. There are lots of democratic third world nations. Most democracies started out as third world nations. The USA was a bunch of fucking colonies when it first started. Talk about worthless hyperbole.
Why is it always so hard to stay off the extremes. Religious freedom seems to be completely lost between official religion and banishment of religion positions
-at the moment they are still a democracy, the new president is acting within the law set up for situations exactly like this, where democratic deadlock makes the government unable to function anymore and someone needs to step in and do something.
This is not a return to dictatorship, Kais Saeed will most likely call for a new parliamentary election just after he implements some reforms to battle the covid outbreak.
I'm Tunisian, although residing in North America, I go back often and follow the information. I think few Tunisians already gave solid feedback. I'm here to add 3 things: - 99% are Muslims could not be further from reality, the % is much much lower, I would say probably around 75%, the new generation especially is mostly Atheists but there's still a fear of reporting that so they keep that info to themselves. So I see it even becoming less than 50% in 30 years from now. - You downplay how bad Ben Ali dictatorship was, something had to be done or we could have turned into North Korea over time, he was slowly turning himself into a god to be worshiped, the scars from that regime are big among Millennials. - Finally to answer your question, NO Tunisia will never go back to be in a Dictatorship, not within Millennials lifetime. In fact I would argue Tunisia after July 25th has never been in a better place, the Economy is slowly adapting to stand without Tourism, Corruption is being punished, the people seem more in control and have a say on so much, media is without restriction, it's honestly great! Yes there is poverty but it's going in the right direction, I see it, people living here may not but I see it.
Both Bourgiba and Ben Ali were dicators, nobody talked about a democraty before the revoltion of 2011 . Now we have more than 200 recognised paries from the ultra-nationalists to the communists. And it is impossible to ban a party.
The root causes here seems to be poverty (likely through colonisation). Without ridding of poverty it is unlikely that Tunisia will have a stable governance. People will protest if they can't meet their basic needs, whether it is a democracy or dictatorship. France should pay reparation for colonisation, that would greatly help with combating poverty.
So basically arab spring made the whole region unstable and seculars are becoming dictators and we are realizing the old dictators weren’t that bad after all considering life was better before the arab spring
1:50 "In nearby Iran" The United Kingdom is nearer to Tunisia than Iran, do Brits see Tunisia as a nation "nearby"?
Nice point.
Yeah, that jumped out at me. There's five or six countries between Tunisia and Iran, including 3 bigger than Tunisia. The third closest country is Italy.
I think they mean that Tunisia is nearby to Iran, and that it's close enough that the Islamic Revolution was effecting them
@@neonbunnies9596 but tunis isn't near iran tunis is closer to Sweden than to iran, this is like in nearby syria when you're living in germany. also most of Tunisians are sunni Muslims and iran is shia which means that a revolution in iran doesn't mean shit to Tunisians.
@@neonbunnies9596 Tunisia is nothing like Iran. Tunisia is a civil, almost secular state.. also a flawed democracy with considerable amount of liberties and freedom.. trying to develop into a liberal democracy.
Iran is a theocratic rogue state leading proxy wars, developing nuclear weapons and threatening world peace.
As a greek, I wish the best for tunisia. I hope they recover, because they will become great allies of Greece and the EU.
As an Australian, I hope that Tunisia can root out its problems. Go Tunisia!
As a British person, I hope France is destroyed.
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@@togerboy5396 Wtf dude everyone hates the UK
@@danieloyewande4632 England*
Why do all old Tunisian men look like Sith lords?
Lol
Maybe it's because they are sith lords in fact.
totally agree
Because star wars was literally filmed there
You should see the Steve Job lookalikes 😂
Not sticking my neck out on this one.
Wishing the best for Tunisia and the people
(I am not an English speaker, but I do my best to express myself ) I am Tunisian, this video explains 30% of what is happening in my country, it does not speak of the parliamentarians prosecuted for corruption, money laundering, appology of terrorism ..., this video does not speak of judge Bechir el Akermi which for years dissolved almost 6,000 terrorism cases on behalf of ennahdha, this video does not talk about what Noureddine Lebhiri, a member of the ennahdha partie, did, when he was minister of justice, instead of firing the corrupt judges of Ben Ali's regime he used them on behalf of Ennahdha in the same way that Ben Ali used them, by putting pressure on them with corruption files, this video does not talk about what is called 'secret apparatus' (or secret unit) of Ennahdha who is involved in the bombings of Monastir and Sousse, in 1987, and in the bombing of Bab Souika, on February 17, 1991, during which two guards were burned alive and suspected of the murder of Chokri Bel aid and Mohammed el Brahmi, this video does not talk about the 3,000 to 6,000 Tunisian terrorists who were able to easily leave the country to go and fight in Syria, which made us the number one provider of terrorists in the world in 2015, so much that has happened since the revolution of January 14, 2011 until July 25, 2021, you think that a 12-minute video like these and which is visibly not neutral will summarize for you 10 years of existence which ultimately led to the decisions taken by the president of the republic in July 25, 2021 ! the date of the resumption of our revolution, we did not live in a real democracy, we lived in a facade democracy, but now we are building a real democracy, we are building our third republic
Alas, that's often the case when you have such a short video. Thankfully I know now 30% than I did before
such is the danger of simplifications, alot is left out. though from what little i know of the situation, it does not seem like this new president is building a dictatorship just yet, he is simply doing what the law says he should do when the country stops working. however, what the law says to do looks alot like how you set up a dictatorship. if he doesn't solve this crisis quickly, or if he secretly has corrupt motivations, tunisia could fall back into dictatorship.
Thanks Ely. Good luck for your country. Do you support the president?
I am not a fan of democracy.. If your country wants to build a real democracy then you must have reasonable freedom of the press. The governments attacks of journalists and news agencies for being "sympathetic" to their opponents will degrade your democracy.
I hope your country is able to form a stable, non extremist government that begins to care for its citizens
@@pebblepod30 I am not an unconditional support for the president, but for the moment I support his decisions taken since July 25, he is not a dictator we all know that, even his opponents like Ennahdha say that he is not one, his decisions proves it, we are 18 days after July 25 and yet no one has been arrested without proof against him, his opponents spend hours talking freely and criticizing the president on radio and TV, so I am not afraid for our freedoms, but because of his lack of political experience, I am afraid that he will make bad decisions, I am afraid that he does not know how to manage this historic and unique opportunity to hunt corrumpus and terrorist of power and put us back on the rails our transition to a truly democratic Tunisia
You said 15000 Libyans crossed the border but the animation showed 150,000. In almost everyone of your recent videos you mispronounce the numbers
The voter turnout graphic also showed 2019 for both elections. Similar mess ups have been happening in other videos too
Yea this does happen a lot to tldr news. They have said that usually the written text is correct and it was just read out improperly.
And the sound is shit as well, as is a decent chunk of the research.
Outgrown their means, massively.
Jack has made a lot of mistakes recently: either he is overworker or unwell.
@@rbd318 yup saw that as well
Hello there, Tunisian here, I am seeing in this video a looot of misinformation and non proven facts like the assassinations and such. Many claim that Ennahda were behind all these terrorist ploys since they happened during their time in power. Heck the assassinations happened in Ghannouchi's neighborhood, two blocks near his highly protected mansion.
Also, most of the power struggle happening wasn't because of religion, but because of the rich families holding power in the country, where you find a lot of laws and regulations favoring monopoly in many important industries, with a lot of corruption coming from the parliament. Let's not forget the fact that tens of thousands of terrorists trials were put under the rug during the Nahdha power period, and they were let free, which led to the huge surge of brainwashed tunisians going to Jihad in Syria and Iraq with ISIS. The religious debate is what's happening with the general populace on the surface, while actual tensions is because of high corruption and not properly executing the law (law applies only to the marginalized and poor)
Finally, despite the current president's using the vague law to gain power, that law was said to be ambiguous by some memebers of the parliaments when it was instated in the constitution in 2014, however it was brushed off by nahdha and nidaa members as being fine as it is. The way I am seeing this is that every party wanted to use that law to their advantage, just to find themselves losing to an independent candidate that no one really knew and no one could buy off.
I also need to state that I do not necessarily support the current president blindly, though his current actions had brought the country to its feet quite fast. He's been actually fighting corruption with a lot of trials against members of parliament that had their immunity removed, and other members of the government old or current. He might become a dictator since he has the possibility to do so, but let's not forget that he isn't an army man like Sisi is or in any other military coups in the world.
Islam isn't really the issue but the fact to make tunisia an islamist country is. Though the nahdha's ways were pretty hypocritical by letting salafist roam as they pleased, to even brainwash my friends, while nahdha was watching even though they held enough power to stop it with ease, it was way too fishy. Additionally let's not forget that many nahdha and other islamist parliament members had pretty extremist opinions they wanted to instate, many of which are against human rights freedoms. Aaand finally, during the ben ali regime, and even bourguiba regime, it wasn't only nahdha members that were tortured and killed, any kind of opposition was, so let'ts not make them into the special martyrs that want themselves to be in the eyes of the public. They even admitted to terrorist attacks back in the 80's in trial and even after the 2011 revolution, which is why they were trialed for death penalty. Ben Ali took the opportunity to rise into power thanks to foreign help and the rest is history.
Also I forgot to mention this, the 25 july "coup" was also instigated by a lot of riots against nahdha party for wanting to claim a huge amount of money as reparations for what happened to them during the Ben Ali regime, which isn't the time to ask for a huge sum of money that the country can't produce while being in Debt, having issues with the IMF, and in the worst covid spike in cases and deaths. Ghannouchi even threatened that if they don't get the money before July 25th, the nahdha youth will go out and protest (the youth doesn't exist ironically) so everyone went out to protest that night and Kais Saied did what he did that night. He also did that because of how the prime minister did poorly to deal with the crisis, with him going to a 5 star hotel with fellow transport minister two weekends in a row during the worst spike of deaths from covid.
I can talk more details about this all day, but this isn't something that can be recapitulated in a 10 minutes video unfortunately so it's hard for people outside Tunisia and the countries around to form a proper opinion about this.
This comment should be more upvoted
Keep in mind this channel and its videos aren't intended as in depth analysis. They are here to give a good enough general overview and point out the important, relevant information. Details of internal squabbles and finger pointing is irrelevant.
This channel rarely talks about things that haven't been sufficiently proven. Sure, you might have internal arguments about who is lying and who is the bad guy but the international community doesn't care for that.
IMF bailouts are something to behold
@@borutb11 The international community cares because many countries have stuff to gain from our country. The international community only cares about human rights violations and illegal oppressive activity when it suits their agenda and needs.
The situation in our country shouldn't even be something of note to the world as more important and serious stuff is happening that must warrant international focus.
And if I have to say who the bad guy is, all of the people in power are, from the oligarchs in our country to each country trying to spread its influence with disregard to the country's economic and social situation, heck they're using it to their advantage (like Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, France, Italy, Spain, China and of course the US)
Though you're right, the international community shouldn't care about their country's external relations and affairs.
I wish I could like your comment a thousand times
4:05 Wikileaks scandal in 2019? I guess that was in 2009, makes more sense.
8:35 The left graph is 2014, not 2019. Speaker is right but graph is wrong.
Another editorial miss?
You’re fun
@@GeraldDeBelen So many editing mistakes in many TLDR videos man (e.g. wrong political party name/colors, wrong country flags, etc.) and it's honestly super irritating that they still haven't bothered to literally get other people to proof read their video content before uploading them. And TLDR would rather prioritize speed over accuracy in churning out content as fast as they could.
This has been going on for months now, and I wish TLDR really fucking proof-reads their own content and slows down their uploads. If they were worried about the youtube algorithm, then maybe they shouldn't had create like 4 different TLDR channels.
I am a spaniard. I visited Tunisia in 2006 with my wife. We had a great, old and wise guide, who told us his view about the history, politics, education, and economy of the country. We both both felt in love with Tunisia. Is hard to behold and to believe the evolution since then. I wish the best for Tunisia what, for me, is a Liberal democracy able to let religion out of politics without violence on it's side. And able to protect citizens without discrimination for or against religious person's.
Difficult, but not impossible. Watch the United States evolution.
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We don't need your approval or validation. We will carve out our own future and decide what it will look like.
@@elite7329 obviously
How do you let religion out of politics ?
@@sunset2.00 It's not easy, and it's not exactly "out of politics", but out of despotic rule. Each religion (and non religious thought) believes it has found THE way for people to be fair and good and happy. That leads to inevitable collisions.
We can solve it with an ethics based on individual freedom to choose, and to share the public space with people you strongly disagree with. Freedom of speech and debate is essential. And the freedom to leave your faith without being prosecuted, although you might have to pay a penalty if you are leaving a concrete community and causing actual harm.
Is very difficult. But I think the US jurisprudence has advanced quite a lot in concrete solutions to concrete conflicts, acceptable to all sides IF all of them accept the basic premises derived of individual freedom.
SO, say, you can defend on a religious bases the right to non educate women out of home till -say- 18, but someone who had access to your home could sue you for harassment If you are having that person in a cage, instead of homeschooling or even working-in-family. And, in any case, once that person stops being underage, if she wants to leave, you can't stop her lawfully, although you might sue her if she leaves later, to get a compensation, because your legal duties to raise a kid ends at 18.
Is strange, and somewhat "cold" and complex. But it's better that in-family or in-community violence, or forced and unitarian laicism, or religion.
E.g. see how the Mormon's communities in the USA live.
I'm Tunisian, and this video was disappointing I expected better. In fact, it was full of inaccuracies and mistakes:
-starting with the name of the first president ''bourgiba" not "bougriba''
-He didn't change the official language to French it remained Arabic.
-4:05 They said :scandal in 2019 while they meant 2009
-8:35 The left graph is 2014, not 2019.
-he said the number of refugees was 15k and they wrote 150K
And I believe he talked too much about the past of the country - ofc it's essential to know the history of a nation to understand its contemporary problems but not as deep- instead of trying to focus on the current situation.
The real dispute:
First, to make it clear the dispute in the country isn't entirely based on the ideology it s not a fight between secularists and islamists (Saied is conservative btw). But over the political system: because it isn't presidential nor parliamentary just a mix in between - it s too complicated to explain- and Saied wants to transform it into a presidential one because he believes that this system failed to maintain its main purpose.
The situation:
Even though I don't entirely support Saied decisions, I don't consider it a coup.
In fact, it was necessary to end the corruption of both the government and the parliament . These politicians were too busy fighting over power to care about people's interest. We have been waiting for ten years since 2011 without seeing any significant change: three elections and 5 presidents and acting presidents. Yet, things are just getting worse we didn't achieve the economic prosperity we expected after the revolution. The economy is crushing, national debt and poverty and unemployment rates are increasing. The situation became unbearable that many Tunisian chose to leave the country for good. The pandemic made it worse: The government failed to contain the virus people are dying, hospitals are completely full, the health care system collapsed. The people were fed up with this situation which was only getting worse over time without any clear vision for the future or any attempt to create an economic program to overcome these crises.
While people were dying, the ruling party "Annahdha" was asking for compensation because of what happened to them during pre-revolution era instead of trying to find solutions. The parliament wasn't passing any serious laws because the representatives were busy fighting. This constitutional crisis could be avoided if "The Constitutional Court" - the only constitutional establishment capable of solving disputes between the president and the parliament- was established. However, it was supposed to be established 7 years ago. And - funny enough - the parties failed since 2014 to set their differences apart and elect its members.
The problem with A Nahdha:
It was accused of funding terrorism, assassinations, receiving funds from outside, and corruption. These accusations are still claims without enough proof to support nor deny them.
And before the president announced his decision people went to streets to protest demanding to overthrow the parliament.
In the end, I'm not entirely for nor against Saied and I especially don't support his attack on AL Jazeera - it was just unjustified. But something had to be done we couldn't wait anymore. Let's hope that the situation gets better sooner than later.
I tried to give a general overview as a Tunisian 🇹🇳 because western news media won't be as accurate as the people living here in describing the situation. I hope you understand a little of what is happening in here.
When you look deep into it you understand that it was a war between secularists and Islamists that's why he choosed to star the video from 1965 and bourguiba's decisions that ghanouchi and Islamls groups (not only in Tunisia) didn't like, then they came back imposed to rule in 2011 elected by fool ignorant people in the cover of democracy, Alnahtha was the number 1 producer of terrorists in the world do not forget that and their future plan was to make Tunisia a full Muslim country with Sheria law, you know nothing kid, you must understand ghanouchi is inspired by who and what he really wants from us
@@AA-cj2rz exactly
@@AA-cj2rz are you a Tunisian?
Good job pointing out all of the mistakes
Get the popcorn out for what will definitely be the most civilised of comment sections
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Do anyone want some hotdog with a cold cola.
TUNISIA MUST GO BACK TO THE RIGHT PATH!!!! THAT IS SECULARISM AND DEMOCRACY!
It's always sad when democracy fails. Wishing the Tunisians the best!
our case is very very weird, there is no civil war, neither did the army take over, we are just stuck with our own ideological problems, im happy that this is the worst of it, but it just does not seem that there will be any solution.
Why did the First president have to replace Arabic with French
@@oscarosullivan4513 obviously because arabic is way more commonly spoken then french
@@oscarosullivan4513 He did not, in the 1rst article of the 1957 constitition, arabic is mentionned as the official language
@@haithemnafti63 Arabic is the official language of Tunisia yeah
Anything happens in a random country
Country: Let's ban Al-Jazeera 😂
yes, because Al-Jazeera is the biggest media company.
@@Thel1ghtner Al-Jazeera is also the propaganda channel of the Muslim Brotherhood.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 Al jazeera also spread fake news and incited to violence thats why its Bureau was closed, al jazeera was not banned and the journalists were not expelled
There have been numerous legitimate criticisms of Al Jazeera, it's hardly uncalled for.
Al-Jazeera are the state media of an absolute monarchy with islamic fundementalist tendancies. they are notorious shit-stirrers.
Religion should not be a part of politics imho
something the western liberals don't comprehend. If you can't accept Nazi party or a Commie party in your elections. Governments here can also ban political Islam in the MiddleEast
I mean you say that but plenty of countries still appeal to religion all the fucking time. The US for example has freedom of religion and yet, religion plays a HUGE role in a lot of political issues. From LGBTQ+ rights to abortion.
Not possible imho. Politics is downstream from religion. Your religion inevitably affects your views on political issues
@@kojoarmah3915 Not always, I'm a practicing Catholic but disagree with the Church on many issues like abortion, birth control and same-sex marriage.
@@kojoarmah3915 The world is moving on and views about society are becoming more liberal. Traditional societal views from religion are only holding us back.
Poverty + Islamists = Worst combination
= Islamic communism ⚠️☢️
Make Carthage Great Again.
We will 👍🏺⚔️
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My jaw was on the floor. That whole scenario is ridiculous.
that's what happened if a country have a major identity crisis.
We are muslims and not muslims at the same time lmao
Please spend more time fact checking and making sure your animations are correct. Every video there are errors, and while you can look past them, it's becoming a theme that all of your videos aren't properly animated. Would prefer higher quality vids that take longer to be released than half-done videos that are pumped out quickly!
From what I’ve read from the comments I want to clarify a thing or two :
First that the real western concept that doesn’t fit well Islamic societies is secularism being undemocratically imposed on a Muslim majority population and so the problem is not necessarily democracy.
Secondly is that too much people tend to think that secularism=democracy and that’s completely false.
secularism=freedom of thought, and it is absolutely essential to any _functioning_ democracy.
@@cageybee7221 Secularism just means seperation of church and state. It has nothing to do with feedom of thought/expression or democracy.
A country could be secular and not allow for freedom of thought/expression (like Nazi Germany or Communist China for example). Also a democratic country could be governed by religious law as long as those laws are democratically voted in.
@@elite7329 it's hardly democratic when the church determines what thoughts you are allowed to have.
@@cageybee7221 lol and it's democratic when any opinion is banned regardless of popularity just because it is associated with a religion? Just say you're a hypocrite lol .
@@hmmm3210 secularism is not a ban on religion lol, it's a ban on religion _in government_
As a Tunisian, i couldn't describe the situation any better than you did.
I grew up in La Marsa. I remember when the army and the presidents guard had a fightout in our neighbourhood.
I am tunisian and we re so happy with change cuz "nahdha" or the islamics make us more poor and we re with our president and he is respect democraty in our country and no one can make our democraty change.. tunisia is more safe now for everyone❤️❤️❤️❤️
Scapegoating and Being unwilling to take any personal responsibility .
@@hmmm3210 we will take the responsability of what will happen.. we re tunisian and always we can change our country to be better.. we change it in the revolution 2011.. we will change it more and more to what we need as a better country
8:39 both election turnouts say 2019
As a Tunisian adult, I believe that the approach of this video is myopic. It overlooks all the laxness and corruption of the lately dissolved parliament. Our inchoate democracy ,gained after the romanticized the jasmine revolt, failed to secure the people's life. Our parliament failed direly to orchestrate the country in a time of a stately crisis. Both Islamist and Secularists failed us. We wanted to change that since we are the ones who voted them in. The understanding of the notion of "Democracy" must be revolutionized and not reinstated to its previous perverted sense. We the people, wanted this change when we gathered the 25th of July in front of the parliament. IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE now to go back to the pre-2011 dictatorship, and it's not possible to redress a corrupt parliament and government. The people that deposed Ben Ali 10 years ago is capable of safeguarding the long-cherished democracy which he procured with Blood and sacrifice, and though this democracy has only relatively secured an unprecedented freedom of expression, it failed to secure our right to live a dignified life with no "impoverishment" because Tunisia is rich. Up to this moment, all is good the president started sustaining previous cases of MPs corruption and theft. The vision is clearer, yet the situation is still precarious. Further sober views will be vindicated with time but there's no going back.
So basically the first president wanted a modern,western system in Tunisia but he himself denied the right to vote to citizens.
Ironic
That is a modern western system. Just not the one you were thinking about...
@@blede8649 depends of your definition. To me western style democratic system is more or less what EU is doing
@@jokuvaan5175 I know, I was joking. Jokes aside, though, don't forget fascism is a modern western system too. Historically, a very attractive system in the Middle East, even after WW2.
If the first president let everyone vote in 1956. Tunisia would have become an Islamist shithole like Afghanistan. People were too religious and fundamentalists back then.
Islamists is a general term Salafism is an extremist branch of Islam, going back to early Islamic principles and often giving up modern items.
salafism is sunni islam throught the understanding of the first 3 muslim generation ( sahaba and muhammad , tabuin , tabuin al tabuin ) so salafis is not equal to extremism but certain salafis are extrimist
Salafism is a mode of though in sunni Islam. Any Muslim/non-Muslim seeing it as a sect or a branch is misinformed.
Muslims staying true to the religion and denying any form of modern filth and ideologies is called being a real Muslims.
@@themercifulguard3971 well you can equally say that Presbyterianism is a mode of thought in christianity, but that doesn't stop them being a branch of christianity, and really the difference between a sect and a denomination is in christianity now really only used prejudicially, but technically is the same thing. If we talk about sectarian issues it normally means two modes of thought (often within a group) in disagreement; and if they agreed they would be the same mode of thought. So the argument is fundamentally flawed.
@@oamaizingo3733 OK that is a reasonable point that Salafism is essentially trying to go back to basics, not unlike groups in other faiths. However that period was a time of great military expansion and also severe punishments that may not have been unusual at that time which is why they are seen as extremists today. That doesn't mean they are terrorists, and some military attacks I have been near have given rise to pity from me: people with swords attacking automatic assault rifles!
@@themercifulguard3971 or are you saying only Salafis are really Muslim?
Tunisian here, the analysis is actually good, few mistakes here and there but you actually were able to detect the main problem with Tunisia: the coalitions of the parliamentary system were not coming from a shared project, different ideologies wanting to share power, always considering Tunisian government as a cake that needs to be carved out, this would be good if they were not corrupt!!! as you could see ennahdha was in every coalition since 2011, regardless of ideology, what happened this month made them the scapegoat of everything wrong with Tunisia, also their power grabs in key positions in the justice system were not helpful,
I believe that a fractured multi party system was detrimental in what happened here, we should have been like UK system at least(two big prties holding each other accountable) , or a presidential system like France,
At the end, for me and a majority of Tunisians we believe that something should have happened, and it did, Tunisian government was in a deadlock for 10 years, let's just hope Kais Said don't abuse too much power and lead us to a road map to a better Tunisia.
Yup Tunisians should have focused on the parliamentary elections too , instead they only focused on the presidential election thus obtaining an islamist parliament and a secular president , which is worse is that the regime is shared between these two who are directly opposite in ideology(the regime is not purely parliamentary or purely presidential as u said xD) ; Next time don't ignore the parliamentary elections and elect a secular party there , greetings from Monastir xD
@@mochalo4912 You make a good point, the mindsets of Tunisians is always gravitating towards a presidential figure rather than what we "agreed" on in the constitution of 2014, mainly because of over 50 years of an "absolute" (dictatorship) presidential system, it shows two things, Democracy in Tunisia is young and fragile and Tunisians are still thinking about the idea of a representation by "that charismatic leader" like Bourguiba.
My main problem with what you said is that we have a President who were given no real powers by the constitution ( made by Ennahdha and it's allies after winning the 2011 election on the basis of the slogan "Islam is in danger"). Ennahdha knew that Tunisians voter turnout will always be better in a presidential elections than parlimentary election. And knew that a second presidential runoff will never get them to Carthage, regardless of the personality they choose.
In the end, The 2014 constitution and election laws are a disaster, a president who can't even raise a referendum on vital issues, a multi party system that allows a 20% "majority" to form a government and vague laws that made a constitutional court to never see the light.
Greetings from Sfax :)
While I won't speak for whether the more authoritarian regime is a good or bad thing, what this ultimately tells us is that the implementation of modern democracy with a specifically western-oriented ideology that bulldozes over cultural specificity will eventually swing a country's politics hard in the opposite direction down the line. It's the same story with the history of Turkish modernization. If democracy is going to work, it can't be pushed as just a one-size-fits-all framework that gets transplanted wholesale into any culture in the blind chase for modernization and development. The idea that western values alone represent progress has long run its course and a new more self-aware post-colonial mindset needs to be pushed.
Yeah id agree, but a lot of things such as: womens equality, minority rights and "religious tolerance" should be ground 0 atleast man. Without these, we might as well just go back to tge mindset that let us be colonized in the first place.
Authoritarianism leads too easily to corruption. Everyone in power should be able to be held accountable by someone. In democracies the leaders are held accountable by the people. The first Tunisian president didn't even follow his own ideals of "western democracy" because he banned a whole political party that was only a threat to his own ideals. Then persecuted people based on their political views and religion. It wouldn't have mattered what his own religion or political allignment was, that kind of action will ultimately lead to uprisings and terrorism.
Although I agree that western democracy isn't one size fits all (heck even in the west it's not the same system everywhere), the problem in Muslim-majority countries is how do you account for the political identity of Islam in any kind of political system outside of authoritarianism? Most of the time it's not homogenous societies with one set of values and beliefs. And the policies of Islamic parties (usually some sort of "Shariaa Laws" are the best source of governance) never work without flat out tyranny. Yet still, because the ideology of a large sector of the population is fundamentally opposed to freedom of the individual and democracy in most of its forms, modern democratic systems also rarely work.
From my personal experience, it seems that the most successful system is some kind of oligarchic monarchy like Uman, UAE, Jordan or Morocco. It does highly depend on the feelings and competence of the ruler, but it creates a more or less stable political centre.
We sometimes joke in Syria that if Assad the father had called it a "kingdom" instead of a "republic" from the start, much of the *troubles* wouldn't have happened XD
Guess what? these also happened after the French revolution, and divorce was then banned in France for nearly a century.
These things need to happen eventually.
I perfectly agree. People tend to link Democracy with Western, which shouldn't be the case at all. Arab leaders need to think of making an Eastern Democracy based on their own Arab and Islamic values, and Democracy.
Like in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, these countries formed a democracy while also maintaining their own Religions (Malaysia and Indonesia) and Cultures.
Arab Countries need to do the same.
As an Israeli, it's a shame to see the only other democracy in the middle east/north Africa go. I hope they hold out! It'd a shame islamists (and far right populists in the west) are like this.
This is just curiosity but do you believe palestine is a sovereign state?
@@mattf9156 first of all de facto absolutely, the Palestinian authority has control over large parts of the west Bank. As to de jure, it honestly comes down to your definition of terms like "sovereign" and "state". If your question is whether Palestine *should* be a free/sovereign state, then that is a much more complicated question, and so is my opinion on it.
@@smorcrux426 love opinions without people hating on Others opinions
It's ironic coming from an apartheid state
@Itsme Alex well yeah you're right, I guess we still have them. But 2 is dramatically worse than 3.
Democracy didn't fail what people have to remember is what Democracy is and how it also often involves compromising. Democracy involves the views of the majority and we might not always like those views. I visited Tunisia before the Arab Spring from another Arab country it was more politically democratic but more conservative; while Tunisia was restrictive but liberal.
it takes time for a population to get used to democratic rule, once a large majority understands that it's less risky than autocratic rule on the price of action speed, and that majority deems that as more important, that will be the moment when that democracy will become stable.
the current crises sadly require quick action, and a gridlocked government isn't really good at those.
the more societal contact the population as a whole has to other countries the easier it should be, I'd say, though I don't have any statistics on that
the response time problems are exactly what provisions like article 80 are for, when democracy can't do it the government can act like an autocracy with controls.
@@cageybee7221 the issue there is that using something like that in a country whose population does not support democracy yet, can lead to autocracy, historical example would be Weimar Germany.
democracy doesn't fit with Islam a religion that wants to control of every aspect of life
@@tytube3001 there's a lot of Muslims completely fine with democracy.
sure with Mohammad having been a political leader as well as a religious one, Islam has a bigger claim on politics than Christianity does, but that just takes education and time.
the same way as the pope can't influence politics the way he did in ages past, Islam will be able to adapt too.
It just takes time.
Make more videos about African counties , there is so much going on , would love to see one about my county Angola we have presidential elections next year and might be the most challenging ones since 1992
Tunisias official language has always been Arabic since independence? Where did you get that from?
You can tell that people in the comments didn't watch the video...
The first question to reflect on is: did the French install a democracy, or a dictator who would need aid from his old master in exchange for 'investment' from the same?
Secondly, how quickly can an elite used to colonial/dictatorial rule transition to actual democracy? When a ruling class is used to getting its own way by threat of force & blaming an out-group, it takes time to absorb the habit of negotiating with ideologically opposed politicians.
Tunisia is still transitioning.
your second point about describes western democracy. You don't think elites are fastly over represented in western democratic systems? Pointing fingers and finding scapegoats and not taking responsibility is exactly democratic. The only reason why democracy can be stable is because the majority of the country supports the ones that hold power. Unlike a dictatorship or one party state where the ones in power have to force their control.
The policies of the first president seem so politically close to France and dumbass considering what kind of country he was in charge of that I wouldn't be surprised at all if French gave him the power.
@@jokuvaan5175 it was a trend back then.
A Turkish leader called Attaturk secularized Turkey and it was perceived as relatively successful by some other authoritarian leaders.
Those leaders tried to emulate Attaturk.
E.g. The Shah of Iran banned burka's, westernized education, females were allowed to study and work (in fact, you could go to prison for denying entry to a woman into a public place). Stuff like that.
Several others also tried. Tunisia was just one more of these countries with an authoritarian leader trying to secularize the country by force.
It was too much, all at once and of course there would be a religious pushback.
In our time, Singapore is the new poster child for successful authoritarian governments. Most people don't know that dispite having some of the highest living standards in the world, Singapore is an actual dictatorship.
Countries like China are trying to emulate Singapore's dictator style success.
You missed some key details here you should have highlighted how Said suspended the parliament he should have consulted the constitutional court, the prime minister and the head of the parliament which is the the head of Nahda himself but he didn’t do also he put himself as the Prosecutor, this is unheard of in parliamentary system where the president has limited powers, and the day before the end of 30 days deadline he declared thats he was facing some threats of assassination (not the first time he says this) but there were no investigation was open and he said “ it was buy a party that has islamic background” then The next day he suspended the Parliament Indefinitely and also no law supporting him to do so because that Decision should have been made after the consultation the pairlememt it self and the constitutional court too, you referring to the result he got during the election as a support for is actions is misleading since these actions almost 2 years after his election and people didn’t know if this would happen, people voted for him mainly as punishment for the usual parties and as protest against the economical situation the country was in, some MPs of Nahda were arrested already and many are not allowed to leave the country, also I don’t m ow what you call Nahda as islamist while they are practicing democracy they should be called islamic party same as you call Christian parties Christin parties in the west
متوقعتش نلقاك اللهنا
I wish the best for this country.
thank you, all of us are just too confused with what we want to do.
It's best known that Tunisians chose democracy, not by being imposed. I guess they have a chance to find the solution.
Love Tunesia greetings from the Netherlands
We are Islamic people and our country are democratic Republic, there is no one can change this, and there is no split between us, Allah Akbar and free tunisia 🇹🇳🇵🇸
Everything always changes. U sound like u are proud of being "Islamic", why?
Islam isn't a race, it's just a religion
@@Bln-f9u The islam not like Christian.
@@zaoyon9309 They are both foreign re-interpretations of the previous Judean God. Both epics wich equally belong in a bookshelf - False images of creation wich shouldn't be worshiped within the 21th century.
@@Bln-f9u This is due to your lack of knowledge of the Islamic religion, nothing more. You cannot hate them or defend something you do not know, my friend.
Daaamn this made me really sad i can kinda understand the feeling of people there
you cant copy and paste democracy from one country to another. you must let the country find a system for themselves no matter what it is. postcolonialism bs how did Europe find democracy France had a french revolution and Britain had Oliver Cromwell. people should stop interfering nobody wants better for their country than their own citizens eventually things always get better because everyone basically wants the same thing. economic growth stability a centralized system etc.
I would soeak out, but I actually wonder what the Tunisians in the comment section think.
the vast majority of the population celebrate this move by the president, the politicians in the parliment are very corupt which has caused many issues in the nation.
@@samsin2681 Totally agree
Only 40% of that is correct !
First of all, he didn't act fully by the article 80, but partially. You can see read by yourself here:
80: In the event of imminent danger threatening the nation’s institutions or the security
or independence of the country, and hampering the normal functioning of the state,
the President of the Republic may take any measures necessitated by the
exceptional circumstances, *after consultation with the Head of Government and the
Speaker of the Assembly of the Representatives of the People and informing the
President of the Constitutional Court.* The President shall announce the measures in
a statement to the people.
You see he just triggered the first part of the article, ignoring the rest, which means that it was illegal.
Not just he has also appointed himself attorney general. You see what he did there? It is a pure coup. Even almost all political parties are against it
The secular dictatorship became to secular leading to a more democratic religious constitution leading to instability and becoming poorer . And me saying that the the first 30 years of 20tg Century Portugal was a complicated time
Nahda has nothing to do with Iran but it is closer to muslim brotherhood in egypt also I dont know why you call it islamist party and not islamic party? In the west you say christian party not christianist party
And of course "somehow" a lot of fires ignited "randomly" in our country, hmmm i wonder how it happened...
india?
@@shahanshahpolonium no, in Tunisia, after the revolt, fires started randomly
@@rohankishibe8259 what's your pfp? Is that china bruh-
RUclips might ban your account.
Although not tackling all aspects of the situation (probably cuz it'd be too lengthy), I'd say Bravo for your unbiased work and stating facts as accurately as possible (unlike all the media spreading misinformation about us). Thank you! I'm happy to support such great journalists!
P.S. Arabic has never been replaced by French. It was/still is the second language. (Tunisiaan Constitution 1959, Art.1)
tunisia has so much potential to become a nice country i hooe thing get better fast
need such secular leaders in present islamic countries
Would be epic if you could do a video on Malaysia’s crazy political crisis at the moment
This is a surprisingly well researched video. The problem in Tunisia is that corruption has suffocated the society so much that there is little structure in the society that allows for a transition into what we westerners understand as democracy. The economy is a web of monopolies owned or controlled by afew families and reinforced by governmental institutions. Islamists are rooted more in international islamist organisations than in the Tunisian society. There is next to no political participation. Thre is no vision, only anger and rejection for the old cleptocracy and the new chaos. The president is popular because he removed the current generation of thieves, but nobody really has an alternative to offer, the president included.
There's a lot of hypocrites in this comments section...
Great video, though there seem to be some factual inaccuracies looking through the comments. Please start making a "sources"-site in the description and add a form to your website where people can leave constructive feedback on your videos.
Good luck to Tunisians and there fight to maintain the flame of democracy.
Now the question from comments and recent trends of videos with graphical errors, is the review n check policy of Tldr not working properly?
I see a lot of small small mistakes here n there n see even more comments pointing them out. Like number being 100 but saying it 1000 or like putting year order in graphs as 2008, 2019 then 2012
The Tunisian revolution reminds me of the French Revolution. Tunisia will eventually become a democracy. Stay strong! Best wishes from Germany
We managed to avoid, the Terror period so far, hope we can avoid the napoleonic an the monarchy phase too
@@haithemnafti63 Germany also experienced the same instability after the November revolution before it fell for a demagogue, who had to fall for the nation to become a prosperous democracy
You mean the Weimar republic?
@@haithemnafti63 yes, during the November revolution we overthrew the emperor and the military administration and established the first republic
@@yeneraras7403 Being from a former french colony, we learn too little about german history, pesonally i find it more interesting especially the HRE and the rise of Prussia and the 1871 War with france. Germany has always been great power. According to the Higuelian dialectic we will become eventually a democraty, personally, i think that kais said is not the saviour, dispite what 87% of tunisians think of him today. We should forget about the saviour myth that arab people dream of. The Western powers can push tunisia toward democraty like they did with Spain and Portugal. The danger is that many countries especially France still believe that a Stable ( and docile) Dictatroship is better than an uncertain democraty. They shamelessly supported Ben Ali when his police was killing us in 2011. Also we can not become fully democratic untill we transform our inslamists into something like the CDU.
Watching this video makes me wonder if Proportional Representation is somewhat overrated.
Sure, it's arguably more democratic, but if nothing gets done and the governments keep tearing themselves apart, then what's the point?
Stop telling me about new badges that aren't Taiwan
Secularism is a good goal. Tunisia is seen by westerners as a good place to go on holiday. Bourghiba did not gain favours by being authoritarian but he opposed religious fundamentalism but the Tunisian people seem to back this. I am sad to see criminals hijacking mosques
Why is secularism a good goal? Burghiba and Ben Ali were dictators who tortured their own citizens
Please make more videos about this Tunisian problem.
A Tunisian here , this video doesn't cover exactly what's been happening since 25th of July and it's almost the same discourse Al Jazeera and other Islamist loyalists are trying to push on how democracy had failed and how Tunisia is becoming Egypt etc . Our president Qais Saied was elected in a fair election and all he did was legal and constitutional , he froze the parliament with all his representatives for 30 days at a critical time when all of them started demanding atrocious reparations of million dollars for themselves because of the Pandemic while thousands of people were dying weekly with little to no proper medical care at all , plus the false promises of vaccines made by government officials that caused an outrage across country . The Nahdha party and their loyalists were the only ones that benefited from the 2011 uprisings where they were the only people who got reparations , huge amounts of external aids and asylums , financial privileges and job market chances while the rest of population continue to suffer . Ever since the new people got in charge of the situation , the situation began to heal and look much better with the military taking responsibility on distributing vaccines and health care , a lot of closed corruption cases were re-opened and a lot of representatives are being prosecuted for it etc , about 99% of Tunisians support their president and there's no civil war or clashes happening like most medias are saying . If Democracy means a dozen of political parties sucking this country dry for their own interest leaving the rest of us starving to death , then we're better off without it . Long Live Tunisia .
Stay strong
This is still a better national experience than the status quo we Algerians are living since the independence.
Nah, Tunisia is in a way worst place then Algeria
@@YesingtonYes can you elaborate? I have been to both countries.
Yeah Algeria is the black sheep of the Maghreb politically, it's republic really wishes to be half as functioning as Tunisia's lowest point or half as stable as Morocco's monarchy.
This country is such a mess, I have no clue of how in 50 years it hasn't managed to solve anything of note whereas Tunisia managed to build something stable and functioning (even if it was a dictatorship) less than 5 years after independence, you'd think something meaningful would have been achieved by now ....
@@sephikong8323
Algeria isn't that bad
Yes it's like any Arabic county today full of corruption but less worst then in Tunisia or other Arabian countries
Western style democracies for the most part don't work in non-western nations
Now that democracy has failed in Tunesia it means that the Arab spring produced 0 democracies as all MENA democracies seem to have failed.
Might also have been partially the fault of the west for not propping up these new fledging democracies financially to ensure a more democratic world.
Well, Iraq is trying to fully transition to a full democracy (as Iraqi elections are free and fair).
When a contry fail is because of the intervention of the west when an other contry fail it's because of his non intervantion,that's kind of hypocritical.
So it’s the west’s fault it didn’t take care off and interfere with other countries 🤦🏿♂️
it's also because every single time a country start transitioning to a democracy. every single great and regional power(iran, russia, usa, turkey, china, france, uk.)starts intervening with the elections and starts bribing politicans left and right in hopes of establishing a puppet government in the country. which leads to either.
1. a corrupt political becoming the head of the state who's going to transition the country into a dictatorship since the winner between the Great powers doesn't want to lose control of his government.
2. a civil war between all parties sponsored by these great powers and the winner of the civil war will also establish a dictatorship.
Tunisias democracy has not failed, its just too young, Morocco, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait and Israel are all democracies, not very stable ones but they are very Young, it's normal, it also happened in Latin America in the 80s whrn they díd their transition
Lmao french as official language of tunisia? Where do u get ur facts? 😹😹😹😹
Honestly I don't know who I'd support here, so whatever happens, happens.
6:46 salafism isn't hardcore islamism, there are literally secularist salafies, salafism is a theological group with certain beliefs about God's nature, things like is the beard mandatory or not, is the niqab mandatory for women, etc....,(that's an oversimplification) I know this sounds like hardcore islamism for westerners but in Muslim countries this isn't considered islamism, it just so happens that salafism was prominent in countries like Saudi Arabia and similar countries, and the political salafists in Egypt were very radical about the change they wanted, that they were considered hardcore or hardliners, but really salafism is just a theological group, not a political one
The original problem of all of this are the hardline secularist political ideals that were undemocratically imposed on the Tunisian people by Bourguiba at the first place, Tunisia is a homogeneously Muslim majority country and if it’s people want Islamic laws to be implemented that’s their legitimate right.
FFS...If they wanted Islamic law; why would they keep voting for secular politicians?
At least watch the damn video before commenting.
"In nearby Iran"... get a map.
If Saidi creates his own party then he would be able to govern the whole nation very easily
he thinks that parties are outdated, he thinks of a more direct democratic system and he is not clear about it, yet
@@haithemnafti63 fucking based
@@henryab2700 his closest friend and advisor is a far left anarchist called Reda Lenine , hhh
@@haithemnafti63 how could one person be so fucking based.
@@haithemnafti63 as good of an idea as that is, he will need a political organization to achieve it, a political party to abolish political parties in a system built around them.
Remove religion and win a better future...
kinda sad that many muslim countries after ww1/2 went from a strong modernization efforts and ideas like pan arabism to islamist dystopias in a few decades
Oil and US' paranoia of communism was the reason for that. US supported regimes change around the globe, they prefer to support fundamentalist over nationalistic leaders. Oil money led to misconception that islam = prosperity. You see oil rich countries like saudi arabia, uea, qatar, brunei all are living in extravagant life funded by oil money, this gave false impression that islam = prosperity to many other muslims in the world.
Could you make video about dying democracy in Kyrgyzstan?
This is why colonisers shouldn’t leave immediately, until they sort everything out thoroughly.
Or just give then enough money to make up for all the damage colonisation does
That's strange you think the French would've had enough time to sort "everything out" during the 75 YEARS they oppressed Tunisia...
The French were kicked out.
Just a suggestion but can you make Cuba, Haiti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Hawaii, Venezuela, Brazil, and Sudan
It looks to me like a lot of the problems in Tunisia stem from hard-line secularists in the government making the Islam an enemy. Sure, an economic crisis is disruptive but the majority of the problems seem to be caused by the government being overly heavy handed.
Well an Islamic republic tends to be a disaster. Pakistan and Iran are some of the most unstable nations in the world.
it's also the case that for Islamists it is incomprehensible to detach religion from politics. This is, unfortunately, the case in every single islam-majority country from the Atlantic to South East Asia. This situation oftentimes creates instability and internal conflict because even for Muslims themselves, many don't want the Quraan to be the state's constitution.
Case and point Syria and Egypt. In the former many ended up in the camp of a brutal criminal dictatorial regime because the "opposition" factions were basically 50 shades of ISIS. In the latter, an Islamic party did manage to win elections and come into power. However, the population quickly became disillusioned with their policies and favoured the military to take over. The problems of Lebanon, Iran, Turkey,...etc all stem from the same problem, i.e. the political identity of islam.
@@darthcalanil5333 in both Syria and Egypt if democratic elections were held Islamic parties would have won, but unfortunately in Syria the dictator preferred to shoot his own people instead of leaving power and in egypt an Islamic democracy party won but was ousted by a military coup (without necessarily majority approval from the people) a year after their rise to power
Religion has no place in politics
Nearby Iran? Check your geography! You might have well said nearby England.
If you look at what he targeted, it’s clear that he’s retaliating against the corruption. As a law professor, he understands that before any economic investment can be had in the country, it must first be trusted. For that, you need people with integrity.
Secularization only works if there is an Philosophic approach within the Civilisation.
the problem with Tunisia is the interference of foreign countries in its politics :UAE;France;Qatar and Turkey and the last crisis was just a power struggle between the two sides .
Please do a video about the Lebanon crisis also. It would be really interesting.
Does literally no one rewatch the video before it is released? There are so many simple graphical/script mistakes within this video. Very unprofessional, you should be embarrassed.
9:40 Kais Saied triggering Article 80 looks just like Chancellor Palpatine triggering Order 66.
You can't just simply bring First world values like democracy & secularism into the third world landscape, it is bound to fail. it unfortunately didnt work out for tunisia as expected
It's challenging but it's not impossible. There's a litany of examples spread across both Africa and Asia
You didn't watch the video, as expected.
This makes no sense. There are lots of democratic third world nations. Most democracies started out as third world nations. The USA was a bunch of fucking colonies when it first started. Talk about worthless hyperbole.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j better than authoritarianism at least.
@@ishaannag4545 Japan and Korea are first world
"Nearby Iran" Bruh have you ever seen a map???????
6:29 you say 15k, but the numbers show 150k refugees
Another editoral miss… they commit so many of these recently. Do the animator and the voiceover even have the same script?
Not a Dutch.
@@ishaannag4545 Philippines. Got a Spanish last name.
Banning neda from contesting elections speaks volumes about hypocrisies of western ideals
no party was banned from contesting elections, do you mean Neda Tunis,? That party imploded after 2016 and all the resultant parties contested.
Why is it always so hard to stay off the extremes. Religious freedom seems to be completely lost between official religion and banishment of religion positions
Shame. Tunisia was the only country to democratize after Arab Spring. Hope things can still be alright
-at the moment they are still a democracy, the new president is acting within the law set up for situations exactly like this, where democratic deadlock makes the government unable to function anymore and someone needs to step in and do something.
This is not a return to dictatorship, Kais Saeed will most likely call for a new parliamentary election just after he implements some reforms to battle the covid outbreak.
Said every dictator ever
I'm Tunisian, although residing in North America, I go back often and follow the information. I think few Tunisians already gave solid feedback. I'm here to add 3 things:
- 99% are Muslims could not be further from reality, the % is much much lower, I would say probably around 75%, the new generation especially is mostly Atheists but there's still a fear of reporting that so they keep that info to themselves. So I see it even becoming less than 50% in 30 years from now.
- You downplay how bad Ben Ali dictatorship was, something had to be done or we could have turned into North Korea over time, he was slowly turning himself into a god to be worshiped, the scars from that regime are big among Millennials.
- Finally to answer your question, NO Tunisia will never go back to be in a Dictatorship, not within Millennials lifetime. In fact I would argue Tunisia after July 25th has never been in a better place, the Economy is slowly adapting to stand without Tourism, Corruption is being punished, the people seem more in control and have a say on so much, media is without restriction, it's honestly great! Yes there is poverty but it's going in the right direction, I see it, people living here may not but I see it.
religon vs politics
This should be called autotheritans against islamists
Democracy didn't fail in Tunisia. It was reborn.
As someone with Tunisian descent I feel really bad right now.
Don't worry dude all is well and our coutry is going on the good traject 🇹🇳❤️
Beautiful name "Yazan" 🙂
So much for "democracy", not recognizing political parties you don't like 😂😂😂
Both Bourgiba and Ben Ali were dicators, nobody talked about a democraty before the revoltion of 2011 . Now we have more than 200 recognised paries from the ultra-nationalists to the communists. And it is impossible to ban a party.
Well if they did the democracy AND secularism would collapse.
The root causes here seems to be poverty (likely through colonisation). Without ridding of poverty it is unlikely that Tunisia will have a stable governance. People will protest if they can't meet their basic needs, whether it is a democracy or dictatorship. France should pay reparation for colonisation, that would greatly help with combating poverty.
So basically arab spring made the whole region unstable and seculars are becoming dictators and we are realizing the old dictators weren’t that bad after all considering life was better before the arab spring
No.
I don't understand how people praise the first Tunisian President & Ataturk. They both came and forced their ideologies on their people.