Multiple failures after departure. Emergency return | Delta Air Lines Airbus A320 | Minneapolis, ATC
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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27-MAY-2021. A Delta Air Lines Airbus A320 (A320), registration N342NW, performing flight DAL1205 / DL1205 from Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport, MN (USA) to Baltimore/Washington International Airport, MD (USA), after departure declared an emergency, reported about multiple issues and requested return back to Minneapolis.
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DAL1205: Departure, Delta 1205, 2500 climbing to 7000 and looks like we have a mechanical.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, Minneapolis Departure, radar contact, maintain 7000, say intentions.
DAL1205: 7000, we’ll need some time to troubleshoot.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, roger.
DAL1205: Requesting 4000, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, maintain 4000.
DAL1205: 4000, Delta 1205.
DAL1205: Departure, Delta 1205, we’re declaring an emergency. We will need to return to land, we need some time to troubleshoot.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, roger, turn left heading 360, just advise which runway you’d like.
DAL1205: Heading 360 and we’re gonna need 12R, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, roger, expect vectors for the ILS RW 12R, I'll have delay vectors until then. When able, I'll need some additional information from you as well.
DAL1205: Roger, wilco, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Just let me know when you’re ready for that.
DAL1205: Will do.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, turn left heading 300.
DAL1205: Left heading 300, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, I need to know what kind of equipment to roll for you, so… I know that you’re busy but… If I could get a nature of the emergency at least.
DAL1205: Yes, sir…
DAL1205: Okay, the nature of the problem is ... It started with a landing gear shock absorber fault. The landing gear did not retract. And also, it looks like several of our brakes stopping. Things are not working. The reversers are not working and normal braking is not working. So we’ll need the long runway, roll the trucks. Souls on board is 142.
DEPARTURE: Roger and do you have fuel on board?
DAL1205: 160 minutes, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, thank you.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, turn right heading 040.
DAL1205: Heading 040, Delta 1205.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, Since you said you needed the longest runway, RW 4 can be made available, but it's gonna be a half-hour wait.
DAL1205: Yeah…
DAL1205: Yeah, I think 12R is gonna be fine for us right now. We're working through the problem. If it looks like we need 4, we'll let you know as soon as we possibly can.
DEPARTURE: Okay, sounds good.
COMMENTS: Several minutes of audio recording are not available. In a moment pilot will call controller. Continue watching.
DEPARTURE: Delta 1205, Approach.
DAL1205: With the winds as they are we're gonna need RW4.
DEPARTURE: Yes, we’re working on that already for you, sir.
DAL1205: Alright, thank you. I wish I could give you an amount of time right now, but I'm thinking another 15 minutes or so.
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Great work by the controller pointing out that he had two planes with almost identical call signs on the same frequency. Potentially avoided a lot of confusion.
- nature of emergency?
- yes sir, eeer... Nothing works except the radio and basic flight controls.
But we handle it with cool head as a daily routine.
When so many thing are broken that you just summarise it to "stopping things are not working"
Nice! Poor Delta, they have had a rough time recently. The pilot is super smooth on the comms.
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Both Flight Crew and ATC were super cool. Both very professional. Kudos.
He sounded like was going to go sleep
ATC: Do you have fuel onboard?
Pilot: Yes
i so wish they would have said that!! though i think id have pissed myself laughing : )
That's what I thought first :)
I bet pilots have the same idea for an answer but it didn't seem the situation to make jokes on radio comms :-/
ATC do you have fuel onboard ??? shorthand for report fuels state
@@michaelshore2300 We know that
"Yeah..we just have no way to stop 8 tons of it from 150mph.."
12R has an EMAS (engineered materials arrestor system) installed at the end of the runway. Thankfully the "stopping things" worked well enough for this landing, but it was some nice insurance to have that at the end of the runway just in case.
Which is nice because it's a long way down to the river
Pilots and ATC were pros and cool as a cucumber! Thank God for such fine people doing their jobs and keeping the passengers safe during that emergency. Another excellent video by You can see ATC!
Their first priority is the safety of aircraft, passengers, and various civilians on the ground below them. I am glad that the flight crew seemed satisfied with how quickly they were down after their initial worry.
ATC: I need to know what kind of equipment to roll for you...
DAL1205: Yes
7:19, I bet they had a chuckle in the delta crew room at that choice of phraseology...
“Crew room”? ...yeah....because there is a room with people just hanging out listening to this nonsense....not
Living around MSP I can attest that 4/22 landings are rare enough that you notice the change to the traffic pattern. Usually happens when a storm rolls through
Thank you
Growing up in East Bloomington I do not miss the takeoffs from 22, if you were on the phone you'd had to stop your conversation until the plane got far enough away
I think the radio pilot was very professional in keeping communications on topic to whatever had to be transmitted at the moment. Very well done. However, I was reading about that DL drop off in Oklahoma City and since the subject was an off duty cabin crew I don't think the person has his job anymore.
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Do you have fuel on board?
Nah, add that to our list.
After all that stress, I'd want someone to "tug me off" too 😅
Its always a response by ATC to emergency declarations because the firefighting response would need to know how much fuel they could be dealing with if something or the fuel tanks catch fire. It seems morbid to ask for the number of live people onboard but again the emergency crews use that information to plan their response.
@@martintheiss4038 it was a joke, you clearly didn't get it.
@@niktheref right over the head.
2:12 "Stopping things" 😄😃
The workload in that cockpit…..
Buck Rodgers earned their bucks today. Nice job guys.
By the voices of pilot and ATC This has been practised for many times and everyone knew what they should be doing.
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Great job atc and pilots, however I do have fault with the airport authority. If they said they could get runway 4r ready then they needed to know they could do that. Coming back saying construction issues should have already been known
There is no 4R. Just the one 4. It's the least preferred runway most of the time, because the wind is rarely favorable, but it's the *longest* runway and so sometimes gets used for very large aircraft or emergency aircraft.
I thought the same thing as I listened. Had it been an emergency that affected safe flight then it could have been a more costly mistake.
It’s not their fault, there was a lot of coordination required on short notice - I’m sure the ATIS said 4 was closed but the controller tried to give them everything possible. Upon coordinating with the OPs guys he found out that it wasn’t possible. Could be something as simple as a construction worker on break with the keys to a tractor or something. 🤷🏻♂️
They may have been overly optimistic about opening 4R, but they did communicate that it would require time and effort to ready it. Seems completely reasonable that they wouldn’t know the exact state of the construction work - I’m willing to bet they had no intention of opening 4R for hours, if not weeks, and had to scramble to see if they could accommodate the pilots request on very short notice (obviously).
I suspect they will have worried that additional faults could come up, I was thinking that with the fuel weight (which can't be dumped) it would have been tempting to divert to an airport with a very long runway appropriate to the wind direction and get rid of weight in the process by flying the extra distance. Glad it all went so well, excellently managed.
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MSP has all that...and mechanics who can do an overweight inspection
It is my understanding they were flying with gear down, meaning slow.
Their gear was stuck down. It’s absolutely a big no no for a large aircraft to fly for any unnecessary length of time with gear down because they could strike anything which then can rip the gear off. Even a small bird could rip it off because of the speed they are going. That is why when they strike a bird you wouldn’t think a lot of damage would be done but because of the speed and g’s they are going it’s like hitting a brick wall doing 100mph in your car. You literally would likely rip your head off or have severe brain damage because of the sudden stop at that speed and g’s. No seatbelt or airbag would be any help at that point no matter how strong they are because fighting against g’s is virtually impossible at that speed.
ATC: Captain, how soon can you land?
Pilot: I can't tell.
ATC: You can tell me, I'm ATC.
Pilot: No. I mean I'm just not sure.
ATC: Well, can't you take a guess?
Pilot: Well, not for another 2 hours.
ATC: You can't take a guess for another 2 hours?
Pilot: No. I mean we can't land for another 2 hours.
RIP Leslie Neilson.
He'll never be forgotten with these conversations.
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Surely you can't be serious?
@@c4715 Don't call me Shirley!
always amazed how cool pilots remain during emergencies. bravo to the captain
Its just second nature now for flight and cabin crews to act that way if there is any emergency or "pan pan" (sound an alarm yes but don't consider it a life or death crisis). Mind you what happened over Oklahoma City just now was actually an off duty cabin crew member who obviously had little regard to his oath to serve the safety and respect of his customers.
@@martintheiss4038 what happened?
@@jr13227 from the public news reports an off duty cabin crew on his carrier was neither polite to passengers nor acted properly to his on duty coworkers or their safety equipment. Lead to a general callout for "every able bodied man to storm the front galley". The decision was made to down the aircraft at an unscheduled airport (and pay serious landing fees for a landing, gate and law enforcement response). I have no love for the man and i am glad the FBI took him in.
@@martintheiss4038 What was the date of this occurrence?
@@TomRoyce was just a couple days ago. You might see it on Deltas official media desk on their website.
ATC: Roger, and do you have fuel on board?
Pilot: Yes, fortunately the engines are still spinning.
Kudos to Minneapolis approach for not being overly pushy
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They are some of the best in the business
Your work on these videos is wonderful. It’s very interesting with the voice and graphics combined. Thank you!
Thank you 👍
Great job by all. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching 👍
A flight 1105 and flight 1205 flying close to each other. Good work Delta.
Hey, You Can See ATC, you're 1 sub short of 10,000. The suspense is killin' me. 😁🎉🥳🥳🍻
Hey, I'm waiting too👍😁
I'll take that pilot on my plane anytime.
Ya unfortunately the drop off at Oklahoma City happened to be one of his coworkers being outed because he refused to even respect his oath to keep the cabin safe and organized in flight.
Very good video thank you guys
Regarding the problem
Most likely it's hydraulic problem
Second guess malfunction of the ground sensor that's why they couldn't retract the landing gear
And this might be the cause of autobrake systems being inoperative because autobrake system is relying on air ground sensor logic
But I still support first scenario "hydraulic failure "bc the reverses aren't working as well
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If that was a hydraulic it is another event when Delta a320 has hydraulic failure in a couple of weeks.
@@YouCanSeeATC so you mean Two airplanes in the same airport with similar problem 🙄
This thing has to be taken sciriously and ground personnel need to be monitored very closely if that was the case , intentional damage is a possibility
Another one had hydraulic issue on 3-june over New York.
Excellent job getting her down
Nice job Delta’s!
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Its interesting how 121 pilots prefer the ILS. since smaller airports are getting rid of them I'm more used to flying RNAV LPV. Usually same minimums.
Never heard a pilot refer to 12 as "twelve" he kept mentioning runway "twelve right" while the controller always said "one two right".... I guess that happens when you have a lot of things going wrong in the cockpit....
Very interresting indeed ! Never say runway twelve right always say runway one two !
Pilot also forgot he had been cleared to land already and had to double check. But really, it's very easy to criticize from our computer chairs, fact is he got the aircraft down safely and that's more than I could have done.
@@elmariachi304 My point was not a critic to the pilot just a way to show he must have been under a lot of stress to lose the phraseology.
I would say it's "cultural" at MSP. Oftentimes we say Thirty L/R. Not to say it's by-the-book correct, but sometimes that's just the real world for ya.
Does an un-stressed ATC controller ever say to pilot "turn twenty degrees right" or they always say "turn right heading zero-two-zero (or whatever heading)"?
Wonder if it’s all these planes being taken out of storage
I was thinking the same......
Just regular maintenance stuff, once that gear cycles the first time out of storage it’s just another day of ops.
I don’t think they encountered multiple failures, but one specific failure can render a number of systems inoperable.
We check them out COMPLETELY before they go on revenue flight
Well managed, good job crew!
Darn, I wanted to find out how hot the "breaks' were
Just because I've seen this on multiple videos now... the word is "uninvolved"... as in "We don't show uninvolved airplanes"
Thank you
I'm pretty sure we all knew what he meant.
@@msjdb723 Yeah I was just trying to help him out with his channel
Genuine apology for being a pedant. I think noninvolved is technically more correct?
@@John-gm5mf Haha I think you could get away with "noninvolved" but it's not in most dictionaries
Wonder why it took ATC so long to figure out there was construction on 4? Thankfully the plane's brakes got the job done on the slightly shorter runway.
They knew about the construction but thought they could clear / check it in time for an arrival, sounds like there was some equipment they just couldn’t move or something like that.
But actually the Runway 4 LANDING length (~9500') is SHORTER than the Runway 12R landing length (~10,000'). This happens a lot in emergencies, both controllers and pilots are thinking of the full dimension length, not the landing length. Runway 4 has a displaced landing threshold. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, Runway 12R has an Engineered Materials Arresting System (EMAS).
@@SDK-im8sl sounded like 4 was more into the wind though, maybe that’s why they wanted it?
That is why there are pilots.
So the tower did not know there was construction on runway 4?
Departure controller didn't know.
Tower knew. Departure didn't. You have to remember these aren't all the same controller talking.
Hydraulics?
breaks ??
BRAKES
@7:19 lmao
7:34 Not "fingers?" 😂
This pilot sounded like he was in a simulator or something lol, almost bored. Probably retired military pilot 🤣
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the temperature was fucking 40 degrees in late may?!
Two delta emergencies in a week...
And?
@@justing42 Could indicate a lack of proper maintenance
@@nickwinn Do you know how many airlines and military units bring their jets to Delta Tech Ops for major maintenance? Lots.
Seems like ex-mil
Why? Civilian pilots, ex-military pilots…you can tell the difference based solely on an ATC audio tape? No…you can’t.
@@flyflorida2001 Eh the same exact thought crossed my mind about this guy being retired military, and yes you can tell sometimes - this is beyond routine after what a lot of those guys are used to (especially abnormal situations or emergencies.)
@@EstorilEm just the tone and some of the radio protocol tends to say ex-mil for me.
Is it just me that these Airbuses seem problematic on a daily basis?
Nope, no more than any other manufacturer/type.
you're kidding me?
This particular Airbus is approaching 30 years in service...
@@CraZy291 It was an original NWA plane and they started receiving them in 1989. In another life I actually flew this particular 320 and the reliability of the Airbus in general was outstanding.
oh god I heard about this. So tragic
What's tragic about it? They landed safely with no fatalities, injuries or a damaged aircraft.
@@andrewjones-productions so many people were inconvenienced and delayed in reaching their destination?
@@comcfi That’s not a “tragedy,” lol, that’s an inconvenience.
They do not tranferre with my funds.i do the paperwork. I need info RUclips is do fine
Waste, could of flown to destination and landed.
Without the gear retracted? 🤨
Mayday, mayday, mayday or pan, pan, pan. Standard ICAO phraseology, yet seemingly never used in the USA.
Who cares ? Declaring an emergency works just fine.
@@3x3-x3x-oXo Ah, that's why. Arrogance.
It does get used in the US as well, and will be understood if any pilot issues those words.
@@calliarcale Not very often.
Seems like a cultural thing in US not using the international standard: Mayday Mayday Mayday. Pilots seem hesitant to use this phrase unless the plane is on fire with loss of all engines.