The narcissist in my life seemed hyper-empathetic to me until I figure him out and realized his motives. This is part of the reason I didn't suspect that he was a narcissist, plus he was mirroring a lot of my own empathy. His empathy was extremely self-serving and he doesn't see it thay way because he thinks he cares about people.
My narc reads me really well he studies me I feel. Not empathetic but he knows everything about me I swear and when he looks at me he looks in my soul. Sometimes his eyes and face look like a monster.
Yes they can, they’re labeled dark empaths and are they the worst. Mostly because they’re more emotionally manipulative than a standard narcissistic person. They tend to project a lot, and then cause a ton of stress. For no good reason.
That's only half true. Raised in an abusive household- I don't have the capability to empathize. However, I've seen other people doing it, and I can mimic. I wish I had the actual ability, but it comes across the same in conversation. I'm supportive and loyal. The problem is, I can turn it on and off like a faucet. I don't like that about me, and I could very easily manipulate people but I choose not to. We cant change our personality, but we can choose to use our powers for good. However, because Ive been listening if I feel disrespected-- I have to force myself not to destroy your soul with all the Intel you gave me. I don't like that about myself tho.
@@skepchica wow that is an amazing confession. And revelation. I had a very dysfunctional functional family growing up. Adult child of alcoholics. Abusive mother to a son that was inappropriate. While drunk saying things like I love you you are so special and then I hate you I’m sorry I ever had you. Only to find out a few years ago at 60 years of age that my mother had an affair while my father was away on combat missions as a fighter pilot and I was conceived on New Year’s Eve. A secret held from me my entire life. Imagine the degree of cognitive dissonance I had to overcome. My mother was murdered 10 years ago so no opportunity for closure. It certainly contributed to my subsequent divorce and struggles with an autoimmune disease for the last decade as well. I think many dreams become nightmares and nightmares become dreams. The anyhows end up becoming wake up calls no matter what. And perhaps every thing that comes at us in life is ultimately a gift. As Jesus said if you ask for bread will your Heavenly Father give you a stone or ask for a fish and give you a snake? Many things that appear as evil can ultimately become the gift you need to wake up to reality.
An empath with some narcissistic traits is a sigma empath who can control the narcissistic traits. These people can shut off the empathic traits when they have had enough.
Yes, an empath gets tired of being a victim; the ability to access Narcissistic energy is a protective barrier between them and a narcissist. Hopefully, they let go of it, after that use. Otherwise, that energy is pretty intense, don’t want to be in it all the time.
Lee, have you considered creating a dating app for self aware Narsassts? I'm a Narcissist myself and have the drive to get better, but I feel I want someone to join me on this journey who suffers the same thing. But who equally wants to change. I think it will be a good way to keep Narcs away from damaging good people. Worst case they only damage themselves 😅
I honestly don’t know… but I believe everyone can have narcissistic traits and empathic ones too, if that makes any sense. People are mega complicated.
Narcissism indeed exists on a scale and everyone has both narcissistic and empathic traits. A person with more narcissistic traits than empathic ones makes them narcissistic, not a narcissist. It's the lack of empathy entirely that makes one a narcissist and not just narcissistic.
Cognitive empathy is genuine empathy, there are 4 different types of empathy. Cognitive empathy shouldn’t be the only form of empathy someone possesses though.
@@hasansarhan9296 cognitive empathy isn’t an imitation, that’d be manipulation. Cognitive empathy is basically understanding a persons feelings without necessarily having or requiring an internal emotional reaction to it. It’s a huge part of development, almost everyone has it but to only have cognitive empathy is a issue.
Well the one I knew ran up the hill to avoid me when I had a heat related illness in the park. I was deteriorating quickly. After heat exhaustion comes heat stroke which is a medical emergency. He got thrown in the trash where he belongs. However, my only regret is that I should have dumped him that day.
You can be a narcissist and an empath. There's a lot to being an empath than having empathy. Some examples are sitting at a table and you can feel the people don't want you there, asking someone how they are and being able to tell they are not telling the truth, the person says they're doing fine but really they're not, if you asked your child where they've been all day, you can tell they are leaving parts of the story out, you have a good lie bullshit detector and it's always on point. Keep in mind empaths went through a lot of trauma.
I love your presentation and energy!! In terms of the topic, actually Ben Taylor presents many times as an empath; so that’s a stretching of his palette. And super empaths access narcissistic energy (but hopefully not the negative behaviors!) as a way to both up their voltage, and increase their abilities to open and close emotional doors at will. However, the core person will always remain a narcissist or an empath, regardless of how they present.
Narcissists can have empathic traits and empaths can have narcissistic traits, it's not 100% black and white. They are also born of the same pain, they share their core wound which bonds them very well together. They are still different creatures, however. The amount of overall empathy is what truly separates the two. Interesting topic.
@@Waterrrrmelon And who are you? lol. Flying Monkies support bad people and do bad things for said people. I have a lot of love and respect for Lee, he saved my life. I come here to engage in meaningful discussion, not razz supporters and victims. Perhaps you should follow suit! 🙏💚
I really enjoy your videos and it takes a lot of strength for you to talk about something you struggle with yourself. This is sadly so true… it takes a lot for an empath to realize that a narcissist will never care…
"empath" is just an idea that should replaced generally with "enmeshed." Empathy, sympathy, pity are not even remotely close to what people are suggesting when they describe themselves as an empath.
So, this is what I have to say about that. Narcissists are empathic on an intellectual level insofar as many of them clue in to how people feel and their vulnerabilities really quickly. They hone in on how people feel just so they can trigger them in order to manipulate them. It's not empathy with the goal of having compassion for someone and being present for them; but, it's empathy with the goal of triggering, using and manipulating the other person. I have watched my older brother do this for years. And, if you get wise to the narcissist and suddenly stop being triggered and used by them, it drives the narcissist nuts.
Whenever my ex would do a charitable deed , he would talk about it for days on end . . . He would also only support others only when on a social platform where whatever he has given will be published on that group . . .and he would also be very critical of people who didn't contribute "impressively " . He actually rubbished whatever these people gave . . . I really found this difficult to understand and kept telling him that it's where the contribution is coming from that counts and he has no business criticizing others . . .
Narcissists wouldn't be able to manipulate without cognitive empathy but affective empathy is probably a complete no. Cognitive empathy means they can predict how people would feel under certain circumstances and it is then used to plan their moves. More on a brain level than a feeling level. For reference, I lack cognitive empathy (brain), but have affective empathy. I'm autistic. I can't predict very effectively how people will feel under certain circumstances or even how my words could hurt people sometimes, but I definitely can see signals when they are upset and I can be upset along with them (i.e. empathise with them) that I made them cry/emotional unintentionally. I can apologise that I hit on soft, vulnerable spots and ask questions about what I said that was upsetting if they don't seem aggressive (so that I can work on being more tactful next time). Also - interestingly, Borderline Personality Disorder tend to have low cognitive empathy but high affective empathy. Strange isn't it? BPD is sometimes considered a failed NPD (because mostly BPD is a result of some sort of trauma). Like they were somehow on their way to NPD but resisted, fought it and became BPD instead. They have a similar empathy framework to an autistic person.
An empath literally feels others pain as their own. Therefore they have major compassion for others. I literally feel peoples hearts. If an empath is taking on the narcs energy....they can become grumpy af and "lower" their standards of being. Sometimes empaths don't know they are taking on others energies until they one day realize they are not themselves. Alone time, meditation and such centers the empath. Its is NOT fun being a highly intuitive empath. It is a major struggle, and yes, we attract all sorts of f*cked up people. It blows always feeling the dark. But emapths are the light and learn through legit emotional/heart struggles how to manage. Spirit guides are extremely helpful. I do not believe in "dark" enpaths. That's a psychopath. They mimic others emotions to manipulate. Ohhhhh the stuff you learn being extremely energy sensitive in a mentally screwed up world 🤦
if you try to settle with the flaws of a full-blown narc, they will be disgusted and be shitting on you ever more. thats at least what i had 2 times....
❤❤❤❤❤❤ LEE I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. AT LEAST I KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A NARCISSIST TO CHANGE. IN ORDER FOR A NARCISSIST TO CHANGE THEY HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THEY'RE NARCISSIST. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE NARCISSIST. I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU LEE
Hey Lee my name is Selena nd I'm pretty sure Ive dated and married a few narcissistic men I have BPD and I know the symptoms or how u act can be close to each other was hoping you had a way to figure out for sure
This man would act so sad and cry in front of me I thought at that time real tears no fake tears just to get the get my empathy sympathy for something and someone that wasn't real that isn't real. It was nothing but a trick. I'm an empath I'm caring sympathetic empathetic emotional and narcissistic people play on that. He would make fun of people that thought about committing suicide are people that commit suicide. That's heartless. Being an empath music you're blessed with God's holy spirit being a narcissist is evil. When I found out who I was dating what I was dating I couldn't believe it literally demons with no emotions
He was doing something that I did not like or agree with and I told him that I was violated when I was younger. You know what he told me he told me that in my face looked me dead in my face and said so I didn't do it. Evil evil evil. No feelings. I told him you're going to be old and die alone. And I don't say things naturally to hurt people to just to insult people hurt people no I tell people the truth and that's the truths. It took me four years to separate from him I have a lot of healing to do a lot what is the main mission in his life was to ruin me and defeat me and it makes them even more angry knowing that he did not succeed. I just can't imagine being a narcissist it has to be held but I don't know cuz they never admit any wrong how can you live your life just being an evil person that just leave a trailer hurt people behind and don't care have no feelings whatever feelings I have is self-serving and they mimic other people.
the empathy thing. the more i think about it, the more i am sure theres many facets inside one person. constantly wondering whether this is just my perspective or if its true in general that theres a tendency to narcissism in many people, and the people who are most aware of their tendencies are generally the most pleasant people to be with. the rest, to varying degree, is classified on some disorder spectrum..but in the end, nobody should feel above the rest. its in all of us, maybe?
Thank you for this video! You made me laugh when you said to ”point the anger finger at yourself”. 😂 I do believe, however, that anyone can be transformed through the healing power of Jesus Christ. But without that, I agree with a lot of what you are sharing. Thank you!! 🙏
Yes, but I'm not sure for NPD. As a person with borderline personality disorder, we naturally come with narcissistic and psychotic tendencies, but we can be extremely empathetic. It is a spectrum though, so all of those traits vary in severity between individuals.
Narcs have empathy for themselves 😀 it is pretty genuine but it's self-serving.. sociopaths are worse, you can't work with that thing no ego stroking/feeding will make them stop when they want to get something from you or destroy you
My husband is a covert nar and when im hurt or sick or dad i see him feeling happy sometimes and he shows noooo empathy at all towards me my husband is changing hes getting worse than before hes just a devil in a aligators skin 😢
After almost 4 Years i finally went sukent, blocked I even gad to take down Instagram fo awhile or maybe forever. But my resolution is to take my life back. Does it hurt absolutely, but it was all a lie from the beginning. Adios to him❤
I can’t remember who the creator was, but he says empaths are nothing more than unaware narcissists. I disagree with him. I agree with you, Lee. They have cognitive empathy and show empathy when it serves their needs. My ex actually said he was an empath and I always wondered why he would think that.
i feel a lot of those self-proclaimed "empaths" and also the "sigmas" do remind of people that are absolutely narcissistic. they make me suspicious instantly.
Interesting topic. I suppose the dark empath is possible. Not sure exactly how it works was once told by a psychic I chatted with at a party my narcissist is malignant, friends were somatic narcissists, and I'm a dark empath. She didn't think the friends being somatic narcissists was so awful, mentioned a pair of twins I was friends with. Have seen the dark empath debated though.
Nd obviously something changed with him or i wouldnt still be with him nd contemplating staying except like right before he dropped me home he started a fight nd it got bad. Nd we left each other on bad note
When the x not throw me away like a piece of trash that he treated me is no going back there is no love there's no feelings there's no caring I mean it's nothing not even trust when the trust is lost and is dead is done the seal sound and delivered and post office mail so I had enough this 2024 this is a new route and I'm not saying that I hate to ask but I hope for the best for him I really do thank you lead to give me the encouragement and some people that will take the courage to me some of the you know they go back cuz they don't want to be alone I understand I've been there many times and route myself and I'm not doing it no more
I can clearly give an answer. Narcissists can play a great show and want to convice you that they are empaths. But they clearly are not. It is only for using people... (So they trick you big time). So no either you are an empath or a narcissist. You can´t be both. You will recognize the difference - I am sure of it. (Sooner or later you will ...).
I ask cuz im with a narcissist now and have been off nd on for 10 years when its good its good but when its bad we might as well both die idk i want us to work tho so how can we get to a living together point and all that
Im pretty suspicious of people who call themselves empaths. I think many of them are codependent like I was. It can be a way of shifting the responsibility of self-soothing and holding boundaries to another person. "Dark empath" is a pretty good concept. Knowing what someone feels, but using it to mess with them or excuse yourself from your responsibility to monitor your own actions. The simple fact is that knowing intellectually and knowing sympathetically are different. A narc for sure knows what you feel. You know why they do what they do. But it wont be until you realize they are capable and responsible for themselves and you are capable and responsible for yourself that anything gets done.
Can. I talked to a psychologist about it, a person can be both at the same time, and it is not necessary to be a dark empath. We all have narcissism in us, in some it is more, in some less pronounced, it is not always a disorder. So a person can torture and manipulate you, control you, and at the same time can love you, have compassion, support you and connect with you, BUT ONLY IF YOU "DESERVE".
@@dittehompoth1469 I don't know, I'm just saying that he told me that it's possible to be an empath and a narcissist and that the narcissistic spectrum is very large, so it's hard to even conclude what type it is, because a subtype can have a subtype, and it can depend from person to person. The essence is the same for everyone, but the spectrum differs from person to person, so some can feel something, while the other same type cannot.
They cannot be both. But I believe that the brain pathways can eventually heal, like any other organ, to finally function properly and formulate socially correct responses to people. If a person manages to heal themselves 90%... like I think Lee has... I would no longer classify him a current narcissist. He finally has a "normal" level of narcissistic traits like anyone else, the very occasional social blooper taking his leave from a conversation that maybe he should have stuck out and been an active listener, small stuff like that people do when someone else's chaos overwhelms them. Narcissism is a protective mechanism that, when used very very sparingly for an appropriate scenario, preserves your energy so you can block rather than absorb. Narcissistic parents tend to project on and make narcissistic children because someone's gotta absorb them, and they keep on that cycle of project and absorb. Until a healed PTSD survivor of narc abuse decides, I'll take the bullet and not be a narcissist to the next person. It will stop with me. Narcs target empaths to convert them into narcissists. I think healing can result in a successful reversion, if a former narc can hold all their narcs accountable and decide they're not gonna be the next bully to the next generation. Yes I think some of the best empaths came from narc parents. If they didn't take on their family's behaviors and renounced it all, former scapegoats, they can totally heal and have a healthy family. The golden child is the most effed, because they are rewarded heavily by the narc parent for both putting up with and demonstrating desired narc behavior.
The narcissist in my life seemed hyper-empathetic to me until I figure him out and realized his motives. This is part of the reason I didn't suspect that he was a narcissist, plus he was mirroring a lot of my own empathy. His empathy was extremely self-serving and he doesn't see it thay way because he thinks he cares about people.
Yes that's how it was for me too
My narc reads me really well he studies me I feel. Not empathetic but he knows everything about me I swear and when he looks at me he looks in my soul. Sometimes his eyes and face look like a monster.
Yes they can, they’re labeled dark empaths and are they the worst. Mostly because they’re more emotionally manipulative than a standard narcissistic person. They tend to project a lot, and then cause a ton of stress. For no good reason.
Im trying to learn. Can you elaborate more on an example of them please.
That's only half true. Raised in an abusive household- I don't have the capability to empathize. However, I've seen other people doing it, and I can mimic. I wish I had the actual ability, but it comes across the same in conversation. I'm supportive and loyal. The problem is, I can turn it on and off like a faucet. I don't like that about me, and I could very easily manipulate people but I choose not to. We cant change our personality, but we can choose to use our powers for good. However, because Ive been listening if I feel disrespected-- I have to force myself not to destroy your soul with all the Intel you gave me. I don't like that about myself tho.
@skepchica least ur aware but u suck no offense ...... that's creepy
@@skepchica wow that is an amazing confession. And revelation. I had a very dysfunctional functional family growing up. Adult child of alcoholics. Abusive mother to a son that was inappropriate. While drunk saying things like I love you you are so special and then I hate you I’m sorry I ever had you. Only to find out a few years ago at 60 years of age that my mother had an affair while my father was away on combat missions as a fighter pilot and I was conceived on New Year’s Eve. A secret held from me my entire life. Imagine the degree of cognitive dissonance I had to overcome. My mother was murdered 10 years ago so no opportunity for closure. It certainly contributed to my subsequent divorce and struggles with an autoimmune disease for the last decade as well. I think many dreams become nightmares and nightmares become dreams. The anyhows end up becoming wake up calls no matter what. And perhaps every thing that comes at us in life is ultimately a gift. As Jesus said if you ask for bread will your Heavenly Father give you a stone or ask for a fish and give you a snake? Many things that appear as evil can ultimately become the gift you need to wake up to reality.
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An empath with some narcissistic traits is a sigma empath who can control the narcissistic traits. These people can shut off the empathic traits when they have had enough.
Yes, an empath gets tired of being a victim; the ability to access Narcissistic energy is a protective barrier between them and a narcissist. Hopefully, they let go of it, after that use. Otherwise, that energy is pretty intense, don’t want to be in it all the time.
@@DhyanaIris-du1nu they end up as narcs themselves.
A narcissist can pretend to be an empath.
Yup they are great pretenders, aka phony liars.
Lee, have you considered creating a dating app for self aware Narsassts?
I'm a Narcissist myself and have the drive to get better, but I feel I want someone to join me on this journey who suffers the same thing. But who equally wants to change. I think it will be a good way to keep Narcs away from damaging good people. Worst case they only damage themselves 😅
lol i haven't thought of that
I honestly don’t know… but I believe everyone can have narcissistic traits and empathic ones too, if that makes any sense. People are mega complicated.
It can be complicated
@@MentalHealness dont you think theres a bit of a narc in everyone? i certainly feel like theres a tendency in me!" :)
Narcissism indeed exists on a scale and everyone has both narcissistic and empathic traits. A person with more narcissistic traits than empathic ones makes them narcissistic, not a narcissist. It's the lack of empathy entirely that makes one a narcissist and not just narcissistic.
To all my Empath Soul Siblings out there! I wish you a Very Happy NarcFree New Year! 😘 ❤
They'll softly rub your back and talk the talk while stabbing your heart and laughing all the way to the bank. They're wicked to the core.
I agree it’s cognitive empathy. Perhaps that’s more effective in reality in helping people than being a person drowning in empathy
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I’ve heard it’s a survival strategy. However I think empathy is also a survival strategy. 🤷♀️
Narcissist believe they’re. special. And so do so called “Empaths”
"The time is already spent" This really hit me. Thanks.
No , you can’t be a narc or an empath . Narcs have cognitive empathy but not a genuine empathy
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Cognitive empathy is genuine empathy, there are 4 different types of empathy. Cognitive empathy shouldn’t be the only form of empathy someone possesses though.
@@lv2756 empathy is a feeling an emotion but imitating other or intellectualise empathy is not empathy
@@hasansarhan9296 cognitive empathy isn’t an imitation, that’d be manipulation. Cognitive empathy is basically understanding a persons feelings without necessarily having or requiring an internal emotional reaction to it. It’s a huge part of development, almost everyone has it but to only have cognitive empathy is a issue.
Well the one I knew ran up the hill to avoid me when I had a heat related illness in the park. I was deteriorating quickly. After heat exhaustion comes heat stroke which is a medical emergency. He got thrown in the trash where he belongs. However, my only regret is that I should have dumped him that day.
You can be a narcissist and an empath. There's a lot to being an empath than having empathy. Some examples are sitting at a table and you can feel the people don't want you there, asking someone how they are and being able to tell they are not telling the truth, the person says they're doing fine but really they're not, if you asked your child where they've been all day, you can tell they are leaving parts of the story out, you have a good lie bullshit detector and it's always on point. Keep in mind empaths went through a lot of trauma.
I’ve dealt with a narcissist before and that boy knew how to flip n become an empathetic when need be😹 unfortunately I was too smart for his bullshit
I love your presentation and energy!! In terms of the topic, actually Ben Taylor presents many times as an empath; so that’s a stretching of his palette.
And super empaths access narcissistic energy (but hopefully not the negative behaviors!) as a way to both up their voltage, and increase their abilities to open and close emotional doors at will.
However, the core person will always remain a narcissist or an empath, regardless of how they present.
I have been waiting for this topic. Emotional manipulation based on an empathy that is only cognitive is hard to conceive of.
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Dark empath
That answer is correct 👌
No toxic person
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Dark empath is different
My ex husband is a dark empath
Thank you, I needed to hear that.
you’re welcome
Narcissists can have empathic traits and empaths can have narcissistic traits, it's not 100% black and white. They are also born of the same pain, they share their core wound which bonds them very well together. They are still different creatures, however. The amount of overall empathy is what truly separates the two. Interesting topic.
Good POV
@@MentalHealness I'm looking forward to yours! x
@@Waterrrrmelon And who are you? lol. Flying Monkies support bad people and do bad things for said people. I have a lot of love and respect for Lee, he saved my life. I come here to engage in meaningful discussion, not razz supporters and victims. Perhaps you should follow suit! 🙏💚
@@Waterrrrmelon Go home mate, you're drunk!
😂💀 This made me laugh though, so cheers!
I really enjoy your videos and it takes a lot of strength for you to talk about something you struggle with yourself.
This is sadly so true… it takes a lot for an empath to realize that a narcissist will never care…
"empath" is just an idea that should replaced generally with "enmeshed."
Empathy, sympathy, pity are not even remotely close to what people are suggesting when they describe themselves as an empath.
So, this is what I have to say about that. Narcissists are empathic on an intellectual level insofar as many of them clue in to how people feel and their vulnerabilities really quickly. They hone in on how people feel just so they can trigger them in order to manipulate them. It's not empathy with the goal of having compassion for someone and being present for them; but, it's empathy with the goal of triggering, using and manipulating the other person. I have watched my older brother do this for years. And, if you get wise to the narcissist and suddenly stop being triggered and used by them, it drives the narcissist nuts.
8:33 Wow never thought about that, 'The Sunk Cause Fallacy'... Interesting 🤔...
Whenever my ex would do a charitable deed , he would talk about it for days on end . . . He would also only support others only when on a social platform where whatever he has given will be published on that group . . .and he would also be very critical of people who didn't contribute "impressively " . He actually rubbished whatever these people gave . . . I really found this difficult to understand and kept telling him that it's where the contribution is coming from that counts and he has no business criticizing others . . .
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Omg, I'm a narc; I followed into my parents' footsteps
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Narcissists wouldn't be able to manipulate without cognitive empathy but affective empathy is probably a complete no. Cognitive empathy means they can predict how people would feel under certain circumstances and it is then used to plan their moves. More on a brain level than a feeling level.
For reference, I lack cognitive empathy (brain), but have affective empathy. I'm autistic. I can't predict very effectively how people will feel under certain circumstances or even how my words could hurt people sometimes, but I definitely can see signals when they are upset and I can be upset along with them (i.e. empathise with them) that I made them cry/emotional unintentionally. I can apologise that I hit on soft, vulnerable spots and ask questions about what I said that was upsetting if they don't seem aggressive (so that I can work on being more tactful next time).
Also - interestingly, Borderline Personality Disorder tend to have low cognitive empathy but high affective empathy. Strange isn't it? BPD is sometimes considered a failed NPD (because mostly BPD is a result of some sort of trauma). Like they were somehow on their way to NPD but resisted, fought it and became BPD instead. They have a similar empathy framework to an autistic person.
An empath literally feels others pain as their own. Therefore they have major compassion for others. I literally feel peoples hearts. If an empath is taking on the narcs energy....they can become grumpy af and "lower" their standards of being. Sometimes empaths don't know they are taking on others energies until they one day realize they are not themselves. Alone time, meditation and such centers the empath. Its is NOT fun being a highly intuitive empath. It is a major struggle, and yes, we attract all sorts of f*cked up people. It blows always feeling the dark. But emapths are the light and learn through legit emotional/heart struggles how to manage. Spirit guides are extremely helpful. I do not believe in "dark" enpaths. That's a psychopath. They mimic others emotions to manipulate. Ohhhhh the stuff you learn being extremely energy sensitive in a mentally screwed up world 🤦
if you try to settle with the flaws of a full-blown narc, they will be disgusted and be shitting on you ever more. thats at least what i had 2 times....
0:21 I never would have thought they could, but interested to hear what you have to say...
They have empathy when they want something...manipulation.
9:23 No because that's the reason we stay around, thinking one day they would grow up ..
But now i realize they won't...
My mom has an abundance of empathy for my golden child brother, just not for me.
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❤❤❤❤❤❤ LEE I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. AT LEAST I KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A NARCISSIST TO CHANGE. IN ORDER FOR A NARCISSIST TO CHANGE THEY HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THEY'RE NARCISSIST. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE NARCISSIST. I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU LEE
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Thanks!
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Happy New Year's 🎉🎉🎉
Happy new year!!
All true.
They are only empathetic to those who are close to them or who they Choose. Like their kids or partner
Yes we can
Are you a narcissist, kindly
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@@KanikaNewsome-pj6jb no… but when I’ve had enough of someone’s BS I can be the spawn of SATAN
Hey Lee my name is Selena nd I'm pretty sure Ive dated and married a few narcissistic men I have BPD and I know the symptoms or how u act can be close to each other was hoping you had a way to figure out for sure
This man would act so sad and cry in front of me I thought at that time real tears no fake tears just to get the get my empathy sympathy for something and someone that wasn't real that isn't real. It was nothing but a trick. I'm an empath I'm caring sympathetic empathetic emotional and narcissistic people play on that. He would make fun of people that thought about committing suicide are people that commit suicide. That's heartless. Being an empath music you're blessed with God's holy spirit being a narcissist is evil. When I found out who I was dating what I was dating I couldn't believe it literally demons with no emotions
He was doing something that I did not like or agree with and I told him that I was violated when I was younger. You know what he told me he told me that in my face looked me dead in my face and said so I didn't do it. Evil evil evil. No feelings. I told him you're going to be old and die alone. And I don't say things naturally to hurt people to just to insult people hurt people no I tell people the truth and that's the truths. It took me four years to separate from him I have a lot of healing to do a lot what is the main mission in his life was to ruin me and defeat me and it makes them even more angry knowing that he did not succeed. I just can't imagine being a narcissist it has to be held but I don't know cuz they never admit any wrong how can you live your life just being an evil person that just leave a trailer hurt people behind and don't care have no feelings whatever feelings I have is self-serving and they mimic other people.
oh my goodness
Could they empathize with someone who's gone/going through pretty much the exact same situation they went through?
the empathy thing. the more i think about it, the more i am sure theres many facets inside one person. constantly wondering whether this is just my perspective or if its true in general that theres a tendency to narcissism in many people, and the people who are most aware of their tendencies are generally the most pleasant people to be with. the rest, to varying degree, is classified on some disorder spectrum..but in the end, nobody should feel above the rest.
its in all of us, maybe?
Had to subscribe after this video. I’ve been watching for awhile 👍❤️
Of course!
Thank you for this video! You made me laugh when you said to ”point the anger finger at yourself”. 😂
I do believe, however, that anyone can be transformed through the healing power of Jesus Christ. But without that, I agree with a lot of what you are sharing. Thank you!! 🙏
Yes, but I'm not sure for NPD. As a person with borderline personality disorder, we naturally come with narcissistic and psychotic tendencies, but we can be extremely empathetic. It is a spectrum though, so all of those traits vary in severity between individuals.
Empathy can grow
By healing only of course
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Tks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Narcs have empathy for themselves 😀 it is pretty genuine but it's self-serving.. sociopaths are worse, you can't work with that thing no ego stroking/feeding will make them stop when they want to get something from you or destroy you
My husband is a covert nar and when im hurt or sick or dad i see him feeling happy sometimes and he shows noooo empathy at all towards me my husband is changing hes getting worse than before hes just a devil in a aligators skin 😢
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Great question
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Thank you
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Me and my sister were having a conversation her ex husband is a narcissist he misses my sister so much but she said he takes his anger out on her.
lol low key lee you be fussing at us, but thanks again because I understand it’s all love 💜happy new year sir
Happy new year!!
After almost 4 Years i finally went sukent, blocked I even gad to take down Instagram fo awhile or maybe forever. But my resolution is to take my life back. Does it hurt absolutely, but it was all a lie from the beginning. Adios to him❤
I believe it's in dark tried called dark empath
i've heard that before
no, dark triad is npd aspd and then interchangeable Machiavellian or histrionic@@MentalHealness
I can’t remember who the creator was, but he says empaths are nothing more than unaware narcissists. I disagree with him. I agree with you, Lee. They have cognitive empathy and show empathy when it serves their needs. My ex actually said he was an empath and I always wondered why he would think that.
i feel a lot of those self-proclaimed "empaths" and also the "sigmas" do remind of people that are absolutely narcissistic. they make me suspicious instantly.
What happens when the flying Empaths crash into a flying 🐒 monkey? Lol
Interesting topic. I suppose the dark empath is possible. Not sure exactly how it works was once told by a psychic I chatted with at a party my narcissist is malignant, friends were somatic narcissists, and I'm a dark empath. She didn't think the friends being somatic narcissists was so awful, mentioned a pair of twins I was friends with. Have seen the dark empath debated though.
I have empathy
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@@MentalHealness I am dead tired today ☺.
Nd obviously something changed with him or i wouldnt still be with him nd contemplating staying except like right before he dropped me home he started a fight nd it got bad. Nd we left each other on bad note
Except internalizing what somebody else did to you is very toxic.
Enteral battle... Ying and Yang
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When the x not throw me away like a piece of trash that he treated me is no going back there is no love there's no feelings there's no caring I mean it's nothing not even trust when the trust is lost and is dead is done the seal sound and delivered and post office mail so I had enough this 2024 this is a new route and I'm not saying that I hate to ask but I hope for the best for him I really do thank you lead to give me the encouragement and some people that will take the courage to me some of the you know they go back cuz they don't want to be alone I understand I've been there many times and route myself and I'm not doing it no more
I can clearly give an answer. Narcissists can play a great show and want to convice you that they are empaths. But they clearly are not. It is only for using people... (So they trick you big time). So no either you are an empath or a narcissist. You can´t be both. You will recognize the difference - I am sure of it. (Sooner or later you will ...).
Well i can tell u that im an empath that turned into a narcissist
I ask cuz im with a narcissist now and have been off nd on for 10 years when its good its good but when its bad we might as well both die idk i want us to work tho so how can we get to a living together point and all that
Anyone can be an actor
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BPD maybe?
So is he faking these changes or should i keep trying
Im pretty suspicious of people who call themselves empaths. I think many of them are codependent like I was. It can be a way of shifting the responsibility of self-soothing and holding boundaries to another person.
"Dark empath" is a pretty good concept. Knowing what someone feels, but using it to mess with them or excuse yourself from your responsibility to monitor your own actions.
The simple fact is that knowing intellectually and knowing sympathetically are different.
A narc for sure knows what you feel. You know why they do what they do. But it wont be until you realize they are capable and responsible for themselves and you are capable and responsible for yourself that anything gets done.
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How come narcissists can be empaths 🤦
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The only person can change a narcissist is Jesus seen it myself
But, even someone like you who’s willing to change, can’t access emotional empathy?
Can. I talked to a psychologist about it, a person can be both at the same time, and it is not necessary to be a dark empath. We all have narcissism in us, in some it is more, in some less pronounced, it is not always a disorder. So a person can torture and manipulate you, control you, and at the same time can love you, have compassion, support you and connect with you, BUT ONLY IF YOU "DESERVE".
@@dittehompoth1469 I don't know, I'm just saying that he told me that it's possible to be an empath and a narcissist and that the narcissistic spectrum is very large, so it's hard to even conclude what type it is, because a subtype can have a subtype, and it can depend from person to person. The essence is the same for everyone, but the spectrum differs from person to person, so some can feel something, while the other same type cannot.
Haha so funny how annoy youtube is getting!!! Ppl be leaving left right left n center😅😅
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They cannot be both.
But I believe that the brain pathways can eventually heal, like any other organ, to finally function properly and formulate socially correct responses to people.
If a person manages to heal themselves 90%... like I think Lee has... I would no longer classify him a current narcissist. He finally has a "normal" level of narcissistic traits like anyone else, the very occasional social blooper taking his leave from a conversation that maybe he should have stuck out and been an active listener, small stuff like that people do when someone else's chaos overwhelms them. Narcissism is a protective mechanism that, when used very very sparingly for an appropriate scenario, preserves your energy so you can block rather than absorb. Narcissistic parents tend to project on and make narcissistic children because someone's gotta absorb them, and they keep on that cycle of project and absorb. Until a healed PTSD survivor of narc abuse decides, I'll take the bullet and not be a narcissist to the next person. It will stop with me.
Narcs target empaths to convert them into narcissists. I think healing can result in a successful reversion, if a former narc can hold all their narcs accountable and decide they're not gonna be the next bully to the next generation.
Yes I think some of the best empaths came from narc parents. If they didn't take on their family's behaviors and renounced it all, former scapegoats, they can totally heal and have a healthy family. The golden child is the most effed, because they are rewarded heavily by the narc parent for both putting up with and demonstrating desired narc behavior.
But hopefully you respond
Are you a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist ???
What’s the email?
I got serious questions to ask not on RUclips though
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