7:36 the upgradeable SSD is also something to keep in mind for pricing. It will always be cheaper to buy the lowest spec Surface and put an 1TB SSD in there yourself. Here in the Netherlands the upgrade from the 256GB SSD 16GB RAM to the 1TB SSD 32GB RAM is a €1000 difference. A compatible 1TB SSD that fits in the Surface (with even faster read and write speeds) is €200. I doubt the remaining €800 is worth the 16GB extra RAM to anyone
@@nicholassoen3708 yeah, especially with the deals lately you should be able to find a good price for it. Maybe watch some videos about the Surface pro 8 vs the new Surface pro 9 to see what is best for your use-case. From what I know there isn't a huge difference so if you find a good deal on the pro 8, buy that, if they're almost the same price, buy the pro 9
Excellent video! Thank you. If you could do one with the newly released iPad Pro 11” 4th gen and surface pro 9 when both available that would be great. Interestingly, the MS9 with 12th gen Intel CPU would even beat the 2-in-1 XPS in a shameful way for Dell…
Quite obvious that any 12th gen Intel device would outperform the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 because it's a fanless device. Personally I can say that the Surface Pro has a microphone issue when the fan is working. So a fanless device isn't that powerfull offcourse but if you want that silence it's still powerfull enough.
@@MashITTech I just picked up the new M2 12.9" iPad pro over Surface Pro9 after handling both in person. As a tablet (not a PC) the Surface Pro9 is heavy to hold, heavy enough to notice, almost 2 pounds!! Ipad 12.9 is just barely passable at 1.5lbs but noticeably lighter. As a PC/Alienware guy, I needed something light in a tablet. I will grudgingly admit that apple implements many tablet features better. And that liquid retina XDR Display sealed the deal for me :)
Nice review. I'm a Windows tablet fan in general and Surface fan, I'm on my 2nd Surface. Surface is always a bit behind in specs, but for my use that doesn't matter. Surface can be expensive at launch so wait just a bit and there are always deals and bundles. The Dell just doesn't look ergonomic, and the built in kickstand is what makes the Surface, so convenient, why don't other large tablets just copy MS? I'm glad to see competition, but even happier MS stuck it out with the Surface (10 years now) and keeps refining it.
Dell XPS for intense work. Examples: Enterprise level programming or video editing. MS Surface Pro 8 for mid-level CPU intensive work, and power users of Excel/Power BI/PowerPoint.
I ended up using an S8 Ultra tablet as my go to for presentation/MS word stuff since I am on an X17 R2 hahaha. But definitely worth it for me to check out.
No I really do. I’ve been a Mac user for the last 18 years (having moved during the xp era) and have recently been quite disappointed by Apple’s practices. Your videos have been instrumental in me choosing my first PC in years (an Alienware M15 with lots of discount coupons that made it too cheap to justify getting the X series sadly) and it has completely changed my workflow and business for the better. So yes, genuine thanks :)
I also have become very jaded with apple products. I still use a MacBook Pro for final cut and the odd bit of Dev work I still do but I am using it less and less as windows devices improve so much.
Great comparions video. When you say the Surface Pro 8 will do better when using the CPU and Graphics card for longer periods (rather than for short bursts), does that include for video calls and screen sharing? Thanks.
It can do, depends how demanding it is. I would imagine both devices would be fine for both but if you also have other tasks going on at the same time that's when the Surface pulls ahead
Great review, really helpful. The Dell just doesn't seem worth it, and in Jan 23, Microsoft have got all sorts of deals that would be smarter. A Surface Book 7 or 8, or a Book 2 depending on what you want.
I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. Maybe the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits in.
USB DACs are not all created equal and often not as good as the headphone jack. Does it really cost hardly anything to provide a headset jack? Microsoft dropped it in sp9
Yes, I have one on order too and didn't notice on the press announcement :( looks like they have changed so little from SP8 to SP9 why would they remove the jack! Well expect to hear me ranting in my SP9 review 🤣
@@MashITTech I think they left 3 changes unannounced: - headphone jack - smaller battery - the buttons and ports are all moved to one side, I think SPX has the same layout
@@MashITTech Well, the button layout change is good, it prevents the device from waking up accidentally while in your bag. And supposedly the smaller battery is counteracted by the efficiency cores, so in small everyday tasks it lasts longer. Hopefully you'll find some way to test that for the review, the usual youtube test won't show the e-cores impact
I gave up my Chromebook, iPAD and am using a hand me down Surface from 2018. I just realized that the Surface Pro 9 just got released. But the Surface Pro 8's price is dropping fast!! I definitely need an upgrade.. What's the difference between the 9 and the 8??
I have the 9 on order so will be able to test soon but from my initial impression, the 9 will have a more powerful cpu but looses the headphone Jack and has smaller battery! Until I get it in hand I can’t tell you what else is changed
@@MashITTech Very good review, now I am torn which to purchase, the Surface Pro 8 or Surface Pro 9. With all respect: "...but looses..." English language spelling does not contain the word looses; an all-too-common spelling mistake. The word should be lost, notice lost, lose, losing, loss, all have one letter o. As we know, loose means something not tight, thus there is not a looses. Badda-Boom 🙂
In Short, SP 8 > XPS13, SP8 = Better, 128HZ screen, much better kickstand. removable SSD, More ports Above all SP8 has better GPU for performance ie graphics designing or 3d rendering. XPS = Better battery life, passive fan so low noise, and CPU
Hey! Battery life matters for long working days. XPS wins for programmers (C++, C#, Python), Data scientists, and data engineers. SP8 wins for traveling data analysts who make presentations and sales people. Especially if the analyst uses Power BI.
I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. Maybe the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits in.
The upper bezel of pro is just killing me. I visited MS store for many times, always finding myself having fun with Surface Laptop Studio rather than this.
@@MashITTech You mean the tablet mode? Of course it's annoying lol. But I do love the 120hz and the thin, equal bezels. The only dealbreaker for me was the thick chassis, and it's sad when I knew there's not likely to be a Surface Laptop Studio 2.
@@barriemoorcroft534 That made the situation even weirder. The ugly top bezel became far more obvious and annoying when the keyboard is raised - Just personal feeling.
@@MashITTech I currently have Surface Pro 8, 32gb ram and 1TB maybe I’ll stick with that. I love it for portability when I’m doing work in coffee shops etc … I also like Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 (14”) not sure if I should upgrade from Surface Pro 8.
I actually did a surface pro 8 vs 9 comparison: ruclips.net/video/P4n_MEAA2RE/видео.html and IMHO I would stick with the 8. I also love the carbon gen10 but have you also considered the new Ryzen T14s Gen3? its a beast, not only with the new CPUs but the GPU got a big upgrade. Check out the performance here: ruclips.net/video/m1JCpmquEWs/видео.html that's the non S version which is a little fatter and cheaper
After seeing Surfac Pro 9 reveal, can't wait for the 2nd version of Huawei Matebook E with its OLED, slim bezels and built-in fingerprint sensor. The Surface Pro 9 is kinda meh compared to SP8
Yeah I ordered the surface pro 9 on release without even looking at it and since have found out it has no headphone Jack too and even a smaller battery! I am not sure what’s going on but I don’t think it will be replacing my sp8
@@MashITTech Indeed the SP8 is a killer. For those who don't care that much about 5G/Arm and 12th gen chip performance jump, the SP8 may still be the best deal
@@lyannawinter405 I was also thinking about buying a surface pro but spotted what Huawei can do with their Matebook E and Matebook E Go. The next Huawei matebook E will definitely be my pick
@@MashITTech I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. For me the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and if you want that with a little more screen that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits perfectly in. The lack of the kickstand is unforgiveable but I guess that's because of the fanless design. A comparison of the performance with the folio and without it would be interesting.
Bro, will drop all other video but won't drop the video I requested! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ayo, man. I'll be waiting for your review remember I am waiting. I won't buy the laptop until you make a video on it. I don't want to waste no money. Do like a lil video editing section on it and see how strong is Ryzen. I'll he waiting my guy! 🤣
@@MashITTech Do you buy these laptops? What do you do with them after the video? Damn, I feel like I might have to wait couple of weeks for my video. Gah damn man. Bro, do a review about the battery on Ryzen legion too. I watched a video and i7 lasted two hours only 😭😭😭🤣 wtf is Lenovo doing?
@@mal1k0 I do buy them and then once finished I put them on eBay. Battery life on ryzen is usually pretty good unlike intel! It is not Lenovo’s fault, all intel gaming laptops are as bad 😢
@@MashITTech I often wonder why doesn't Intel do anything about this issue. I don't like MacBooks but everyone says they are fast and can almost do all editing and have 12 hour+ battery time. What an L for Intel tbh. I'll be waiting for the t14 video as well do a little review about how it holds up when doing editing. Cheers!
Me trying to decide which one is better, while using 10 years old laptop 😂
Me too, mine is about 15 years old... 😅haha
Man, I was thinking surface pro 9 but it's Doo expensive
Great video! I love my Surface Pro 8 still such a great device today!
7:36 the upgradeable SSD is also something to keep in mind for pricing. It will always be cheaper to buy the lowest spec Surface and put an 1TB SSD in there yourself.
Here in the Netherlands the upgrade from the 256GB SSD 16GB RAM to the 1TB SSD 32GB RAM is a €1000 difference. A compatible 1TB SSD that fits in the Surface (with even faster read and write speeds) is €200. I doubt the remaining €800 is worth the 16GB extra RAM to anyone
thanks for the input man.
Seems like the base model would be the best deal for surface pro 8.
@@nicholassoen3708 yeah, especially with the deals lately you should be able to find a good price for it.
Maybe watch some videos about the Surface pro 8 vs the new Surface pro 9 to see what is best for your use-case. From what I know there isn't a huge difference so if you find a good deal on the pro 8, buy that, if they're almost the same price, buy the pro 9
Yeah but still, those SSDs are freaking hard to get and expensive...
@@Sponsi_PL yes but it is worth the hassle
Excellent video! Thank you. If you could do one with the newly released iPad Pro 11” 4th gen and surface pro 9 when both available that would be great. Interestingly, the MS9 with 12th gen Intel CPU would even beat the 2-in-1 XPS in a shameful way for Dell…
Quite obvious that any 12th gen Intel device would outperform the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 because it's a fanless device. Personally I can say that the Surface Pro has a microphone issue when the fan is working. So a fanless device isn't that powerfull offcourse but if you want that silence it's still powerfull enough.
Timely and systematic review as always. Thank you. I am looking forward to your take on surface pro 8 vs the upcoming surface pro 9!
Thanks mate, sorry I missed your message! Yes not long now
@@MashITTech I just picked up the new M2 12.9" iPad pro over Surface Pro9 after handling both in person. As a tablet (not a PC) the Surface Pro9 is heavy to hold, heavy enough to notice, almost 2 pounds!! Ipad 12.9 is just barely passable at 1.5lbs but noticeably lighter. As a PC/Alienware guy, I needed something light in a tablet. I will grudgingly admit that apple implements many tablet features better. And that liquid retina XDR Display sealed the deal for me :)
Thank you for your great videos! I have been watching them lately to choose a new laptop/2-in-1 device and you help me narrow down the choices!
Nice review. I'm a Windows tablet fan in general and Surface fan, I'm on my 2nd Surface. Surface is always a bit behind in specs, but for my use that doesn't matter. Surface can be expensive at launch so wait just a bit and there are always deals and bundles. The Dell just doesn't look ergonomic, and the built in kickstand is what makes the Surface, so convenient, why don't other large tablets just copy MS? I'm glad to see competition, but even happier MS stuck it out with the Surface (10 years now) and keeps refining it.
Dell XPS for intense work. Examples: Enterprise level programming or video editing.
MS Surface Pro 8 for mid-level CPU intensive work, and power users of Excel/Power BI/PowerPoint.
I ended up using an S8 Ultra tablet as my go to for presentation/MS word stuff since I am on an X17 R2 hahaha. But definitely worth it for me to check out.
I'm going to make a loop of you saying "braided cable" from the Ugreen spot and put it on loop, going to be my most viewed video of all time
😂😂 I would subscribe and like
Nice job! Very useful information. Thanks!
Honestly your videos are excellent.
Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you!!
So glad you enjoy them! thank you for the kind words
No I really do.
I’ve been a Mac user for the last 18 years (having moved during the xp era) and have recently been quite disappointed by Apple’s practices. Your videos have been instrumental in me choosing my first PC in years (an Alienware M15 with lots of discount coupons that made it too cheap to justify getting the X series sadly) and it has completely changed my workflow and business for the better.
So yes, genuine thanks :)
I also have become very jaded with apple products. I still use a MacBook Pro for final cut and the odd bit of Dev work I still do but I am using it less and less as windows devices improve so much.
Great comparions video. When you say the Surface Pro 8 will do better when using the CPU and Graphics card for longer periods (rather than for short bursts), does that include for video calls and screen sharing? Thanks.
It can do, depends how demanding it is. I would imagine both devices would be fine for both but if you also have other tasks going on at the same time that's when the Surface pulls ahead
I like 2 in 1 but I don't think I will buy one. Waiting for your Thinkpad T14 review.
i like that purple USB on the Ugreen
Great review, really helpful. The Dell just doesn't seem worth it, and in Jan 23, Microsoft have got all sorts of deals that would be smarter. A Surface Book 7 or 8, or a Book 2 depending on what you want.
thank you, very helpful
I think Dell should have been made additional model for the surface alternative, rather than updating their excelent xps13 2in1
I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. Maybe the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits in.
Ghe surface oro 8 doesnt come wit the keyboard how coukd you miss out that fact
USB DACs are not all created equal and often not as good as the headphone jack. Does it really cost hardly anything to provide a headset jack? Microsoft dropped it in sp9
could you review ideapad duet 5i windows version not the chromebook
Thank you for this
SP9 loses the headset jack
Yes, I have one on order too and didn't notice on the press announcement :( looks like they have changed so little from SP8 to SP9 why would they remove the jack! Well expect to hear me ranting in my SP9 review 🤣
@@MashITTech I think they left 3 changes unannounced:
- headphone jack
- smaller battery
- the buttons and ports are all moved to one side, I think SPX has the same layout
@@pitbul2877 thanks for the heads up! Wow this is looking like the sp9 is going to be a downgrade on my sp8 at this rate 😢
@@MashITTech Well, the button layout change is good, it prevents the device from waking up accidentally while in your bag. And supposedly the smaller battery is counteracted by the efficiency cores, so in small everyday tasks it lasts longer. Hopefully you'll find some way to test that for the review, the usual youtube test won't show the e-cores impact
I gave up my Chromebook, iPAD and am using a hand me down Surface from 2018. I just realized that the Surface Pro 9 just got released. But the Surface Pro 8's price is dropping fast!! I definitely need an upgrade.. What's the difference between the 9 and the 8??
I have the 9 on order so will be able to test soon but from my initial impression, the 9 will have a more powerful cpu but looses the headphone Jack and has smaller battery! Until I get it in hand I can’t tell you what else is changed
@@MashITTech
Very good review, now I am torn which to purchase, the Surface Pro 8 or Surface Pro 9.
With all respect: "...but looses..." English language spelling does not contain the word looses; an all-too-common spelling mistake. The word should be lost, notice lost, lose, losing, loss, all have one letter o. As we know, loose means something not tight, thus there is not a looses. Badda-Boom 🙂
@@ricdonato43288
In Short, SP 8 > XPS13,
SP8 = Better, 128HZ screen, much better kickstand. removable SSD, More ports
Above all SP8 has better GPU for performance ie graphics designing or 3d rendering.
XPS = Better battery life, passive fan so low noise, and CPU
Hey! Battery life matters for long working days. XPS wins for programmers (C++, C#, Python), Data scientists, and data engineers.
SP8 wins for traveling data analysts who make presentations and sales people. Especially if the analyst uses Power BI.
I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. Maybe the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits in.
Greatest comparison
The upper bezel of pro is just killing me. I visited MS store for many times, always finding myself having fun with Surface Laptop Studio rather than this.
I nearly got the laptop studio in for review but couldn’t decide if the screen would actually be annoying when it covers the keyboard
@@MashITTech You mean the tablet mode? Of course it's annoying lol. But I do love the 120hz and the thin, equal bezels. The only dealbreaker for me was the thick chassis, and it's sad when I knew there's not likely to be a Surface Laptop Studio 2.
Bezels are thicker because the surface pro keyboard is raised where as dell is not.
@@barriemoorcroft534 That made the situation even weirder. The ugly top bezel became far more obvious and annoying when the keyboard is raised - Just personal feeling.
Dell is silent about this 2-in-1 for example in Poland. In Germany it's now official. This sucks!
Do you recommend XPS 13 Plus or surface pro 9?
surface pro 9 over XPS 13 plus. the 13 plus is great for short bursts then throttles like crazy :(
@@MashITTech I currently have Surface Pro 8, 32gb ram and 1TB maybe I’ll stick with that. I love it for portability when I’m doing work in coffee shops etc … I also like Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 (14”) not sure if I should upgrade from Surface Pro 8.
I actually did a surface pro 8 vs 9 comparison: ruclips.net/video/P4n_MEAA2RE/видео.html and IMHO I would stick with the 8. I also love the carbon gen10 but have you also considered the new Ryzen T14s Gen3? its a beast, not only with the new CPUs but the GPU got a big upgrade. Check out the performance here: ruclips.net/video/m1JCpmquEWs/видео.html that's the non S version which is a little fatter and cheaper
MP's battery replacement is a disappointment.
Watching from surface 8 pro....i7 11
Still love my pro 8
When you remove ssd with larger capacity, does it needs to install windows again?
You can or you can clone the ssd
After seeing Surfac Pro 9 reveal, can't wait for the 2nd version of Huawei Matebook E with its OLED, slim bezels and built-in fingerprint sensor. The Surface Pro 9 is kinda meh compared to SP8
Yeah I ordered the surface pro 9 on release without even looking at it and since have found out it has no headphone Jack too and even a smaller battery! I am not sure what’s going on but I don’t think it will be replacing my sp8
@@MashITTech Indeed the SP8 is a killer. For those who don't care that much about 5G/Arm and 12th gen chip performance jump, the SP8 may still be the best deal
that's a good point, currently trying to choose between pro 8 and pro 9.
@@lyannawinter405 I was also thinking about buying a surface pro but spotted what Huawei can do with their Matebook E and Matebook E Go. The next Huawei matebook E will definitely be my pick
@@Loki-oq1ov thank you dearly for the advice with Huawei!
I hate those rounded edges on the surface they introduced with the Pro 8. makes the device appear uglier and cheaper somehow.
Wow only 7 hrs at 60hz for the surface at 120hz that’s maybe 5hrs completely awful
yes the battery life is even worse than the SP7.
You guys got 5 hours?! My old Surface Pro 4 had 2 hours max.
great vid!
no kickstand no buy
Xps looks better
seems like a no contest
My thoughts too
@@MashITTech I don't think Dell was planning to place the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 as a counterpart to the Surface Pro line. Dell has already the Latitude 2-in-1 line which is more suitable to be a Surface Pro clone. For me the Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 is a far better Surface Go 3 alternative. Surface Go 3 isn't very powerfull but the fanless design is really outstanding and if you want that with a little more screen that's the niche the Depp XPS 13 2-in-1 fits perfectly in. The lack of the kickstand is unforgiveable but I guess that's because of the fanless design. A comparison of the performance with the folio and without it would be interesting.
Bro, will drop all other video but won't drop the video I requested! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ayo, man. I'll be waiting for your review remember I am waiting. I won't buy the laptop until you make a video on it. I don't want to waste no money. Do like a lil video editing section on it and see how strong is Ryzen. I'll he waiting my guy! 🤣
Haha these videos take ages to make, started this one last week and still have the t14 gen 3 ryzen I haven’t even looked at yet 😂😂
@@MashITTech Do you buy these laptops? What do you do with them after the video? Damn, I feel like I might have to wait couple of weeks for my video. Gah damn man. Bro, do a review about the battery on Ryzen legion too. I watched a video and i7 lasted two hours only 😭😭😭🤣 wtf is Lenovo doing?
@@mal1k0 I do buy them and then once finished I put them on eBay. Battery life on ryzen is usually pretty good unlike intel! It is not Lenovo’s fault, all intel gaming laptops are as bad 😢
@@MashITTech I often wonder why doesn't Intel do anything about this issue. I don't like MacBooks but everyone says they are fast and can almost do all editing and have 12 hour+ battery time. What an L for Intel tbh. I'll be waiting for the t14 video as well do a little review about how it holds up when doing editing. Cheers!