As a Surface Pro user I have one observation. The kickstand is not attached to the tablet. So you have to attach the keyboard when you want to put your tablet up somewhere. Also for note taking the surface can be leaned a bit with the attached kickstand. I make a lot of use of that attached kickstand. It's a great solution by Microsoft. I wish other manufactures could just use that design.
It might seem great, but moving parts that are thin and flimsy create a lot of issues. It’s great until one day it becomes loose and doesn’t hold place, or eventually breaks. Although I agree the option would be nice, it makes sense why Dell decided against it
@@geese5170 I use the surface pro 7 and haven't had any trouble with the kickstand. I have put this laptop through a lot of traveling, and moving around and would say that I change positions on the kickstand at least 10 times a day and have never experienced any issues with stiffness or broken parts.
@geese5170 wrong, been using surface pro 4 since 3 years, it’s hinge still feel like the way I first time used it. You must experience before dropping your criticism
My work actually just got me this as a desktop/portable replacement. I’m a wine and beverage manager for a large country club. I have a dock for my desk, but am able to use it also as a portable POS station, and work wirelessly from the wine cellars and control our inventory and beverage lists on the fly during service from the restaurant. I’ve only had it three weeks or so but I love it already.
As somebody who used to main a Surface Pro 4, I immediately see two (Edit: four) major downsides that would prevent me moving to this if I were in the market for a new 2-in-1 (which I'm not right now): 1) While there are several magnets on the back to hold the case, it simply cannot have the range of the Surface Pro's kickstand in that form factor. Also, couldn't hook the not-a-kickstand over my knees while lying on a couch, something I used to do frequently with the Surface! 2) Flat keyboard my beloathed. The thing that made the Surface Pro keyboard not awful was the fact it clipped up to have a decent angle and therefore actual comfortable typing experience. That extra cm off the table really helps it feel like a normal keyboard! Edit: 3) You could actually use the Surface Pro on your lap 😛 Well, I could at least, and did. Most of the time I used it! Edit 2: 4) The movement to open this 2-in-1 and have it set up for typing seems a lot more involved than on the Surface. For the Surface, you open the keyboard lid (as with every laptop) and then just have to flick the kickstand back with the back of your middle fingernail in the little grooves on either side, then you're ready to go. Actually having to stop and adjust the back of the case, both pushing it into the right shape down the bottom and then adjusting the height up the top, is significantly more involved. I'm sure if you swapped between the two as a daily driver for a week or so, these little design decisions would add up. I'm sure the XPS computer part is great, but I do want to give a massive shoutout to the UX team who designed the Surface Pro for so many simple QOL decisions that you don't appreciate until they're suddenly not there! In fact, trying to use my old Surface as Just A Tablet now I have a new laptop, and it's interesting seeing how difficult it is because of _software_ design decisions that seem to have been made with far less care than the hardware. So no, I don't think the XPS has "DESTROYED" the Surface Pro, but it's good to see another serious competitor and I can't wait to see the learnings on a version 2. Little tip Dell: Great designers steal!
@@alley8780 It's fine. Depends on your use case. If you're at Uni/college, it's handy to have the extreme portability plus the pen for those maths courses/anything that requires diagraming. But beware that the heat dissipation is limited and if you're doing anything particularly intense, you can run into problems, though I only encountered this once or twice (mainly in my AI course). Also, Windows ain't the greatest programming OS, and the linux compat isn't amazing. But on the other hand, WSL 2 is getting better all the time. So if you're happy programming within Windows in general, you'll do fine. Overall, I had very few problems using it as my only computer during my CS degree. Moving to full time work, I had a separate work laptop for that, so can't say how it'd perform on a truly meaty codebase. If you like the form factor, there's nothing that I'd particularly say "no avoid this because xyz". The main thing is just those thermals aren't so great if you're pushing it very hard (though maybe they've improved since the 4) and there's no way to open the chassis to dust the fans. Also, if you crack the screen, you need a full replacement computer (ask me how I know, I started with a SP3). And though I might be sounding quite negative here, I've really loved that little laptop and if I could have my time again, I would definitely choose it again. Just wanna be very clear of the tradeoffs that do exist so you can make the decision that's right for you 😊 Oh, also, the pen functionality for being able to sign documents without owning a printer? Makes adulting so much easier!
destroyed by price. you can have logitech mx mini and type whatever you want on good keyboard. 40% of price is huge. tabletop - is the issue,but if you accurate it will be possible to use legs as table. anyway, it's just more affordable for massmarket.
@@gamerxvc3055 lol... you can't have the same audio quality of my sennheiser HD800 with bluetooth... and I have some top tier bluetooth headphones and no one is even close.
@Marcos Parreira I'm using my s7 plus from 2 years ago. Don't know why they didn't just do what samsung did and just had the folio magnetised to the back of the tablet.
I've had my surface pro for a few years and still going strong. But I ended up getting a z13. The performance is insane for a tablet. It has a separate cpu and gpu so it does an excellent job at gaming and productivity
I just got the Asus ROG Flow Z13. Absolute beast for the size, has better specs than a similarly specced Surface Pro, has an Nvidia GPU, costs less than both the Surface Pro and the MacBook, oh and it has a headphone jack and USB-A port. You can also expand the storage with a micro SD card, and the hard drive is user upgradable. It's a bit thicker and heavier than the other 2 in 1 devices, but it's WAY more versatile. I'm glad I went with that one.
It was strange not to have a conversion to kg when you were weighing the notebook, I always thought it was very good that you guys did the conversion for us
@@KayvonJavid The US have already dug their graves, as an engineering major so much engineering formulas are built with imperial so they would have to rewrite so much
The built in mic on the 2-1 is exceptional and the camera is excellent from your video sample. Look like a better buy especially if it's cheaper than the Surface pro.
Surface Pro is much more powerful. Paired with a docking station it rivals many desktops. Really no comparison especially considering Dell's horrible customer service and shady business practices. I tend to steer as far away from Dell as possible.
This time the clickbait title actually disappointing, because I really hoped they did something cool with the surface form factor, but this is not actually better then Surface Pro. Just the Surface's hinge alone makes it better then any folio case combo. And Surface 8 has good improvements over previous generations (and still has a headphone jack). (Surface 9 though ditches the jack and just adds 5g and that's it)
The 9 doesn't really have 5G though does it? It's got their own special processor which I'm sure isn't great, and 5G. You don't seem to be able to get 5G and the intel chip for some unknown reason (unless they've done the dirty on the UK which is a possibility I suppose). Plus you did miss the price. The whole price of the Surface 9 package is vastly higher than this. So it might be a better choice for people with less spare cash.
@@jonevansauthor I understand the price argument, but "Sufrace but cheaper" wasn't what I was expecting based on the clickbaity title. Also, you don't have to re-buy the pen and the keyboard between Surface generations (most of the time). As for 5G, I actually did know something. Surface 9 comes in 2 versions, Intel (without 5g) and SQ3 (with 5g). SQ3 is a Qualcomm Arm-based chip which has 5g and some AI cores for AI voice isolation and stuff, but it's also Windows on Arm with all downsides that come with it. Most programs do run on it, but everything that has to go through a translation layer runs like crap.
@@yokayoksven yes that's the weird bit about the the 5G. I really don't get why you wouldn't want it as an option on the Intel one too. It seems the wrong way around, given that everyone is excited about Windows on ARM being good one day but I've yet to hear anyone rave about it now. Sorry that you were disappointed that this isn't the same price, but much more powerful somehow. I can see how that would be more exciting for some people. Personally, I've just been hoping for something that's powerful enough for office productivity, has the correct detachable form factor so it can be my tablet as well as my laptop and potentially even serve as my work (not gaming) PC. But... without the enormous price tag. I'm very much looking forward to an LTT Lab future where I can easily compare such things. I know Lenovo and Huawei have a version (or three) atm but it's such a pain trying to work out what''s current and where the flaws are.
@@rafalxyz disagree by a long shot. the keyboard, trackpad, display and frame build of the XPS blows the X1 away all day long. XPS feels way more premium, and a level up in that regard over the X1
as a work laptop sometimes sound with teams is screwey and i need emergency headphone jack access. this would be a no go. Oh well, my other dell has been very good for work. onedrive works for storage. idk why someone would use a 13 incher as their personal laptop. upgraded to 15 inches for work because excel on 13 inches is pure suffering
i went from a 13in to a 16in and it's soo much better.... for everything, even just writing word docs or a spreadsheet - or like using a browser while doing either of those things.
@@bipbop3121 I travel and walk around a lot with my laptop, 15 inches is not a serious difference for me when it comes to weight and whatnot (for a work, non gamer laptop). Easily mobile. I do dock it at desks. Cheers to usb c it has changed the docking game in a great way. Also-every laptop sleeve space I’ve encountered handles 15 inches. The designers are enlightened too. Down with 13 inchers
I recently learned Colton is head of ShortCircuit so thanks for deciding to add the pricing part Colton! Hope you don't get fired! Oh and thanks for greenlighting the Linus body pillow, that shit was hilarious!
Not sure where I heard Colton was head of ShortCircuit, I think I misheard a part of Jeff's Extreme Tech Upgrade. Anyway, thanks to whoever decided to add the pricing segment!
Have an 9510 and looked at the dell website while looking at this video. their prices exploded here in germany. the 9520 is five hundred euros more then my 9510. im shocked i have to say.
The screen ratio of the 2-1 isn't actually that weird. It's pretty close to the ratio of the Din A format. So this was probably chosen to display documents more true to nature. This will help a lot with the pen input.
On a phone removing the headphone jack to save space isn't great but I can live with it. But on a laptop, it's a deal breaker. Windows/Macos handle wireless headphones A LOT worse then phones do, and on top of that when I'm using a full computer there's a very good chance I'll want to use my studio headphones, maybe I just want an audio out to some speakers, any number of things.
@@passive101 They work fine with Bluetooth *in isolation*, the problem is the instant you want 2 devices to both talk to a set of headphones, because for some reason proper multi target pairing support is still tricky to find in Bluetooth headphones.
USB C to 3.5mm is still included and having the DAC external like that and you can litterally use whichever one you want which is typically miles better than any internal DAC included with the audio chip in a laptop.
@@StellarJay77 That tiny dongle makes me think that either the DAC is still internal and they just don't have a separate jack (there's a USB C extension that lets it carry analogue audio signals) in which case the signal routing through the laptop would leave it more prone to interference than a dedicated jack, or that it's going to be worse than a modern integrated DAC, since it's way too small to have the same kind of hardware as a high end dedicated DAC.
Personally as someone that uses there 2 in 1, HP Envy x360, I prefer the build of an actual 2 in 1, where I can use it as an actual Laptop, and when I am at school, I can use it as my tablet that i write on. The fact that mine has 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A, a Headphone jack and SD card reader, both i have never used, as well as the HDMI, that i also use occasionally, all just for £780 pounds, so i found this an amazing deal, also, the radeon processor, is also pretty good for some light gaming, such as fortnite at middle to low but nice settings!
same, but the one mistake (maybe?) I made was buying an 15'6 display. This thing really can't be used as a tablet to take notes, it just doesn't fit in my tiny hands.
I do this as well, I bought the previous year's model so I got mine for around £650. I use the headphone jack to listen to music when studying between classes (cheap wired as a student has got to save when they can! 😂)
With only two I/O/Power ports and no post purchase upgrade options for storage and RAM, these are a really tough sells at any price point for me. Bluetooth can take care of headphones, but being capped on storage and RAM from the day it is built, is just really close to a deal breaker.
The omission of a headphone jack would be bearable if wireless headphones worked decently on windows... Despite having windows 11 and 2 bluetooth 5.3 perhipherals (both the laptop and the headphones), I cannot get rid of audio delay... Extremely annoying.
@@BlindMango This is the real answer as the DAC would move into the headphones so could be properly tuned for whatever driver setup and acoustic profile fits for that particular headset provided the manufacturer actually knows what they are doing.
I have the XPS 13 2 in 1 from 2019 when it was a dual core with passive cooling. I absolutely love the form factor and function of the 360 hinge, this new tablet style just looks cheap in comparison. Now I barely use that laptop because I never got to travel with it due to the pandemic and a dual core machine struggles to update windows or launch Chrome, but it's such a pretty device.
I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360 Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up
I recently bought an ASUS zenbook pro 14 duo OLED for 1840 euros. Every single laptop showcase on shortcircuit of laptops from the same price category have made me feel really good about my purchasing decision. It honestly baffles me how little you get for such exorbitant amounts of money.
How's the thermal throttling on the 2-in-1? One of my biggest complaints about the Surface line was that it throttled heavily which tanked performance.
Hearing this, besides the 6 hour battery 😉, ik so happy with my asus flow z13. Actually usable as laptop , more power than the 13+.. and a headphone jack (but not much more ). Also , that type Cover from Asus is somehow the keyboard i beat my monkey type record with ...
Kinda weird the asus flow series is just ignored in most comparisons... Its possibly one of the best ways for someone who wants to work and game but don't want to keep 2 separate systems for it..
@@vivekvs1992 far from a perfect device... But by far the perfect device for me :). And the pricing is a bit steep , but the boss paid . This 13" laptop/tablet replaced my Ryzen 2700x/gtx1060 desktop machine , since it beats it just in performance (without dlss ). And i can do photo work on it, and i can use it for work... I just need a battery bank when i have to sit 6 hours in a train for a conference
@@jorismak I was telling my brother to get that when he went to college and give me his ancient alienware(gtx980mobile)... Unfortunately it was out of stock and we ended up with an Asus tuf series.. Still pretty good..he can take them for presentations without anyone raising an eyebrow.. And I can push for 1-2 more years on the alienware as a desktop replacement..
Just bought a sky XPS 13 with the core i7, 16gb ram and 512gb of storage (with the non touch display) and it’s great so far. I bought it on sale at JB HI FI here in Australia where it was $480 off, but I managed to negotiate $30 off for a $510 discount off of full price (RRP $2399 aud, I paid $1890 aud) which is a huge saving
Why do people make a huge deal out of a 3.5 mm headphone jack missing if you are given a dongle? Just attach the dongle to the set of headphones you always use and it's a non-issue. Only time I can see it being a minor problem is if you are always changing different style headphones and forget the dongle but I imagine most people like to use either Bluetooth in which case the dongle doesn't matter or if they use over the ear they just have the dongle attached to that over the ear set. Am I missing something here?
No conversions from lbs to grams? I thought you were better than this
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As a Surface Pro 7 user I have a few takes, and some might be hot. - Having the kickstand built in is way better, and can also cover wider range of angles - Surface Pros might not come with the pen and keyboard, but they have pretty good cross compatibility. So these are more of a one time expense for multiple devices. - The newer Pros have upgradable SSDs - Mine has a headphone jack and a USB-C port, and I basically always use a dongle. The donle makes the in line remotes work, which is somehow still not a thing for built in headphone jacks. - The Surface competitors might be competitively priced in the States with their constant discounts, but this is not the case for the rest of the world, so there they're usually more expensive. - The Surface has a magnetic charger
Clearly there isn't enough space and it can't be waterproofed! /s I'm actually pissed it doesn't have USB-A ports either. Like, there's no reason to not have those (and the jack and maybe an SD card reader). I'd otherwise be probably buying it.
I’ve always loved these laptop reviews just to stay up to date with tech, but I’m finally finding my life has gotten to the point that I NEED a laptop. Thanks for these!!!
Yeah, but please check out the HP x360 with over this one... my R7 4700U, 16+512GB, has more IO, a headphone jack, non-soldered storage, is cheaper and otherwise functionally identical... also a 2-in-1, 13" in size
I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360 Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up
@@CricketEngland oh I’m not looking at anything like this, I just like their laptop content and have always watched it even when I thought laptops were dumb.
One thing I’m curious about the 2in1, or surface pro is, can they install programs off of internet browsers like a normal computer running windows? Or does it require special applications from app stores like iOS or google play? Want a tablet that can run blender since none of the good design apps I’ve come across on iOS are free or one time purchases. There’s some free options available but they all have certain key features missing. Also for the potential to be used as a laptop like what was tried around 8:05, dell could pretty simply design a different keyboard that supports the screen.
Tho 50 days of charge is actually not good at all. My Chinese crowdfunded tablet uses XP Pen pens that use regular AA Batteries and one lasts me over a year with drawing 2 days a week and the ones using Wacom technology don't need to be charged. Pens that need their own power source have been hit and miss larely. The HP Pen technology has been really bad but the iPad pro pen is really good. You can't really show it on youtube, you have to go to some kind of Best Buy and try it yourself.
I'm using an Asus Zenbook flip 13 OLED for about half a year, and it don't have headphone jack as well. But for the last 2 years i'm using wireless headsets and headphones on the go. But when i'm at home, I have a thunderbolt dock with ethernet and jack, so it's not that bat of a situation.
15:20 you could still compare it to the M1 Air with 16GB RAM which is in that price range and is still an exceptional laptop, the M1 is also still a bit faster than the i5 1230U (at least according to the benchmarks I found). The only issue is the dated design of the M1 Air.
well the design isn't the only issue, Mac is another one of 'em, especially when you're not in the Apple ecosystem either way and most programs you use often don't exist on Mac and you've always used Windows or Linux it makes very little sense to buy something with Mac.
@@BH4x0r I got a Mac after using only Windows. Most apps are available on the Mac too, I found, and for those that are not, there's great alternatives. (And I have and Android phone, so no ecosystem for me.) Also have a Surface Pro. I cobble together my own ecosystem and I love it.
@@mkteku The ginormous bezels on the old Macbooks are extremely dated by todays standards and by no means timeless... this is even more apparent when you have both a new MBA/Pro and the old one and see them side by side. It's kinda like putting the 2018 MBA besides the 2016 MBA... you know, the 2016 which had the humongous white bezels.
@@mkteku Mac is nowhere near as broken/locked as iOS is, you can actually easily transfer stuff between Mac and Android, but iOS and Windows or Linux is a living nightmare, i'm pretty sure thats almost intentional to get people to buy everything Apple after they paid way too much on their iPhone and iPad i still don't like Mac personally but it's decent enough, especially compared to the mobile counterparts I don't like cloud based file transfer, so i would need to install iTunes to move files, and if you'll ever want your contacts to move to Android for example you'll have to log in on iCloud and download them manually via the website, ánd with Android devices you can generally just connect one to another via usb to transfer all apps, photo's, contacts and stuff much easier
a good video. But as always in those video, people still dont get the interest of getting a thunderbolt 4. using a mouse that uses like ~10ko/s on a 40Gbs port is useless. The interest is : 1 -> use an external GPU that will use most of that speed 2 -> use a dongle to get what you need. In 1 port, I have 2 HDMI, 6 USB-A, 2 USB-C, 1 DP, 1 ethernet and it can charge my laptop. So with the XPS 13 plus, the other thunderbolt 4 is almost useless (you can use it if the first one stop working : )). So please stop considering that removing ports is bad. Because it allows Dell to get more space inside while being able to still use the same number of ports with a dongle. Well, you have to buy one after...
14:10 I have a 2018 XPS 13 9370 and it plays Minecraft fine at low settings. Being able to play Minecraft is a valid perk but it can be down with older higher end notebooks.
I really don't understand the hate for no headphone jack, when you have headsets like the Anker Soundcore Q35--with *excellent* noise cancellation, by the way--that can hit $99 on sale. Why tether yourself with something that is going to drain your laptop's battery?
There is no service instructions for the 2-in-1 which means it has no field serviceable parts. That means if something goes wrong you have to send it in for depot repair.
Was looking to replace my older HP Envy, but no 3,5mm is a dealbreaker, AND in adition to that there is just not enough ports. Like, if you are charging you got like one port before you end up in dongle hell. I am far enough into dongle hell as it is. If only there was an higher speced variant similar to the Envy that have a 16;10 screen.
Anything where the kickstand is not part of the tablet isn't a full Surface Pro contender for me. A major use case for me is only tablet with pen, and using the tablet at a very high angle. Feels like you're on an angled writing desk, and is the most comfy thing ever in meetings and lectures to write on.
I bought the Dell 13" 2 in 1. The speaker was blown, and the back of the screen got so hot you could fry an egg on it. The protruding camera on the back makes it wobble when trying to draw on it as well. I had to send it back, and I am now rethinking my choice.
Nice video. Odd that you would want a 3.5mm jack built in. If you are an normal user, then use Bluetooth. If you are an audiophile than use a plug-in Digital to Analog converter, like the Audio Engine D1.
oddly enough, macs have gotten better IO now. Latest MBA has a magsafe charging port, 2 thunderbolt 4/usb4 ports, and a headphone jack. so it wins by a headphone jack, still not great IO though.
It'd be nice to see these reviews show how well it does software engineering tasks like run a VM and docker. See how well the cooling works under load, how loud are the fans. I don't think this is a common thing people look for but personally I find the 2 in 1s very interesting because I don't want a laptop keyboard. I have a 40% keyboard I love and don't want to use anything else. Thanks for the review LTT.
Depends what you mean by "run a VM". There's too many variables there to be able to just give a definitive answer. You can run VMs on 10+ year old laptops, so this thing shouldn't present too much trouble so long as you don't go trying to virtualize resource-heavy tasks on resource-heavy guest operating systems.
@@FlyboyHelosim tbh it doesn't matter that much. My point was just that I'd like to see a somewhat demanding software engineering task be done. At the very least a fan noise comparison would be nice. 🤷♂
@@ATBalls25 Well these laptops aren't really meant for software engineering anyway. The XPS line was always a home multimedia one, only more recently has it become a semi-business line. For software engineering you'd be looking at the Precision line.
It's great to see more 3rd party's doing a kind of Surface of device but with their own engineering to them. I still think the surface kickstand is one to beat but Lonovo, Dell and HP all have some nice alternatives on the market.
As a dell business customer of a decade plus, there is always the wait and see how the machine degrades as the warranty end nears, did you get what you ordered when you ordered or did they switch out anything, were you even able to order without them mysteriously not having the part anymore to complete your order so it's canceled and dude, you're getting a Dell . . so.
I must have seen another video because I fail to see where it "destroys" the Surface Pro... Just like with the Surface Pro 9, it doesn't have any headphone jack... I'd stick with the Surface Pro 8! The kickstand of a Surface Pro is amazing! I use it a lot without the keyboard attached. The angle is not only wider but also more smooth. And I've simply never liked magnetic stands. I own four Asus portable monitors and although three of them supports the fancy kickstand (and other compatible mounts) I only have one of those and the magnetic stands are just horrible. The Surface Pro 9 even have a better CPU 1255U vs 1250U for the i7 versions and 1235U vs 1230U for the i5 versions. They both have a 3:2 screen @ 2880 X 1920 but the Surface Pro 9 is 120 Hz while the XPS 2-in-1 is 60 Hz... If price is a concern and you can get the XPS cheaper, then do that. But you're comparing apples to oranges. I had to dislike this video because I'm tired of clickbait. I really though Dell had made something impressive, but it's nothing but a Surface clone. It's fine, but not really destroying anything!
I have personally owned my 2 in 1 for about 6 months, my biggest complaint is when I want to detach the keyboard and use as a tablet it is very hard to hold.....and no cases are made for this to make the tablet experience more enjoyable.
I am literally just looking at one on their website for $1449 with i7-1250U, 16gb ram, and folio + pen 😭😭 Perfect timing Might be my next laptop cuz I really want a good 2-in-1 but Surface sucks (overpriced and underspecced) and any other use either ARM or the latest level cpu possible
In the USA, I paid $1099 + $220 for SP9 i5 16/256 and Signature keyboard with pen by purchasing it at Costco and having Bestbuy Price match amazon for the keyboard/pen. So far I love this thing. And the price wasn't too bad. Plus Costco includes an additional year of warranty.
No 3.5mm socket (get f-ed Dell). Not Wacom EMR. That stand is not going to be fun, but will do (I use a Samsung with a similar way to prop it up - it's okay at best).
We bought 5x Dell 5290 tablet 2 in 1s. All five, every single one, eventually had a screen issue to the lower section of the device. No touch. We decided to keep with the Surface range from that point forward. The quality from the Dell 'copies' simply wasn't there. Sure, the new device(s) might have improved, but I doubt it. Dell destroying the Surface line? Nah. They'd never commit to spending that type of cash.
WTF is this port selection?! My flippin' tablet has more IO than both computers combined! (I have a Dell Latitude 5175 from 7 years ago.) I have USB-C, USB-A, 3.5mm jack, SD slot, SIM slot (LTE baby), and a reaplaceable NVMe 2280 inside while the tablet is opening from the back! I was about to find my new tablet for the last 2 years. Basic expectations: USB-A, Jack, replaceable storage and back entry. Every time a new tablet gets introduced I get more and more attached to my Skylake-4GB latitude. Disappointing. Edit: Yeah, 10.1" 10h battery (when new) and extended battery (double the runtime) in one of the 2 keyboard options.
@@IIISentorIII Considering it's a business class device (Latitude) profit should never be the number one consideration. Make it more expensive I don't care. Just make it good.
Only 2 usc c ports where one is taken by the charger. And the thing is, it's not possible to make a USB-c to multiple USB-c ports hub, like it was on USB-a.
@@scio7838 Depends on the generation. The old ISD pens were interchangable with slates, usb monitors and the old Surface. They also didn't need to be charged.
The XPS 13 2in1 kinda sad cause no surface style kickstand. They used to on old latitude 5290 tablet, and that one was also way more repairable. The kickstand makes such a huge difference for drawing but I guess with the weight this one probably has would be really difficult. Also please for love of god can 2in1's bring back a lil loop on keyboard for the pen. Magnets do not hold it it always comes off and can get rekt in bag when it does. Having kickstand tied to keyboard makes it pain to use on uni desks which are usually shallow af. Overall still seems great lil drawing device.
I have a latitude 5290 2 in 1 i bought 500€ as used, this thing is really good. i7 8650u, 16gb of ram, 512gb m.2 ssd, 1920*1200 screen, 1 usb a 3.0, 2 type c thunderbolt, a jack (!!!) and even a sim slot for 4G. the kickstand is on the tablet itself and has a big angle of oppening, and the stylus is good too(2 AAA battery). I think it was only a laptop buyable by companies for their workers, so it is a bit hard to find. I take my class with, and it is just perfect, i can play some game with it too. Dell made a good job here.
Dell will never destroy anything. Have a Surface Pro 3 that is 9 years old and while a bit slow it never had a single problem. Spent £2400 on an XPS15 for heavy work, and had soooo many issues here and there, overall really annoying ownership experience. Not buying dell ever again. Microsoft asks quite a lot for surface devices, but it's worth the price in my opinion.
Any artists know if the 2-in-1 is good for programs such as Clip Studio Paint or Photoshop? I use a Huion kamvas pro 13 which is fantastic but it’s not a standalone. Is the XPS 13 2-in-1 a good mobile choice or are there better ones?
i like tablets on x86, but dont have lots money so i bought used thinkpad 8 LTE, still works nice with windows 10 1909(its also maximum configuration with 128 GB emmc and lte)
Why would you want the i5 over the i7? Battery consumption? Fan noise? Trying to figure out what I want and my default stance has always been "go big or go home".
Nice Video but I wished Lenovo and Acer had been included. It reminds me of the Thinkpad L13/X13 or Yoga, as like as Acer Spin and Swift. Don't know how they do now, but 2 years ago they did very well. Also Lenovo has often covered many ports and/or docking stations with even more. I use Lenovo since I studied and some buddy of mine (around 200 kg) sat on his T60 by mistake which was curved after this and we sure thought the display was broken. But after hours it got its form back slowly and the next day we could open it and it worked well. My Flex14-2 works fine since 2016, my X220t has issues but had also to survive many construction sites, natural environments and me. And the last one, most can not stand very long. I'm not easy going on these devices. Not on the software side of things nor the hardware. Coke/Coffee on keyboards, throwing them in the backpack like they are, using solar to charge, change the OS every now and than, making backups from whole laptops, using them as servers and the list goes on and on and on. Acers can't survive me myself, but most people I know. They'd been superior to Lenovo in displays and graphics mostly. I may sound like a Lenovo fan and obviously I'm by now. But Dell had devices which could stand me to some years ago. And many manufactures don't can survive outdoors. Most can't even survive indoors if you have kids, cats or alikes. And why the hell is the camera so important? I know since Covid everybody had intruduced itself to working from home and video calls, but does the prof/boss/... really need to know the correct color of your pyjama? Not sure about that one. I think than graphics would be important too to as many people. Or should I say how many of the popular games from the last 2 years can be played on these? And what about wireless? If I haven't the ports I should use mouse, phone and such via these. And has the pen different pressure levels? So again: Nice video, but space for improvement. ;-)
Alex you really have to get with modern times. In new laptop/portable PC setups a 3.5mm headphone jack with accompanying internal DAC is much more complicated now in such small form factors to isolate from internal power interference and actually sound good. USB C to 3.5mm can be generations better in quality and realistically people are moving more and more towards wireless solutions or full external studio DAC's if using laptops for high end audio work. So fewer and fewer people are actually using a 3.5mm headphone output now anyway.
To be fair, the galaxy book2 pro 360 is a pretty good deal too. The burgundy i7 model is quite cheap. You can find new ones being sold for way less than MSRP
Real downside of XPS 13 is it's mic is not directional. If you stand behind MBP and say something mic will probably not pic it up at all. XPS captures everything because it's mic is on the top edge of the screen (see 5:00). Occasional visit to the busy office turns you day into muting mic exercise.
I don't understand why everyone goes for the soft stand approach. Apple introduced the rigid Magic Keyboard because it allows you to use the iPad in a laptop configuration. Something the Surface tablets just can't do. (At least not well.)
I refuse to call this type of design a 2-in-1. It’s a tablet with a folio keyboard. It feels absolutely terrible as a laptop, and having dealt with a bunch of issues with similar products in the past, I’ll never use one again. Please bring back the old 2-in-1 design Dell.
I wish the 2-in-1 design was tweaked. Make it a bit thicker on the back to flush the camera and with the added thickness you have an integrated kickstand. As nice as the magnets seem, it won't hold for writing and art. Plus the keyboard will be in the way.
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As a Surface Pro user I have one observation. The kickstand is not attached to the tablet. So you have to attach the keyboard when you want to put your tablet up somewhere. Also for note taking the surface can be leaned a bit with the attached kickstand. I make a lot of use of that attached kickstand. It's a great solution by Microsoft. I wish other manufactures could just use that design.
It might seem great, but moving parts that are thin and flimsy create a lot of issues. It’s great until one day it becomes loose and doesn’t hold place, or eventually breaks. Although I agree the option would be nice, it makes sense why Dell decided against it
@@geese5170 As someone that used a Surface Pro 4 for 5 or 6 years, the kickstand is still as stiff as the beginning.
@@geese5170 I use the surface pro 7 and haven't had any trouble with the kickstand. I have put this laptop through a lot of traveling, and moving around and would say that I change positions on the kickstand at least 10 times a day and have never experienced any issues with stiffness or broken parts.
@@isaiahandersen9269 It's a great design ! I wish they invented something like it for the iPad.
@geese5170 wrong, been using surface pro 4 since 3 years, it’s hinge still feel like the way I first time used it. You must experience before dropping your criticism
My work actually just got me this as a desktop/portable replacement. I’m a wine and beverage manager for a large country club. I have a dock for my desk, but am able to use it also as a portable POS station, and work wirelessly from the wine cellars and control our inventory and beverage lists on the fly during service from the restaurant. I’ve only had it three weeks or so but I love it already.
Checking price in europe: starts at 1800€
Welp that's another one crossed out
Lol europe
@@jeremyphillips3087 probably one of the better places in the world, tbh.
@@HansenLaMoose Yeah, I hear things are great in Ukraine right now. 🤣
@@jeremyphillips3087 honestly i’d rather be in ukraine than america tbh.
@@jeremyphillips3087 Yeah, I'm sure Ukraine is the entirety of Europe in the same way that Florida is the entirety of the United States.
As somebody who used to main a Surface Pro 4, I immediately see two (Edit: four) major downsides that would prevent me moving to this if I were in the market for a new 2-in-1 (which I'm not right now):
1) While there are several magnets on the back to hold the case, it simply cannot have the range of the Surface Pro's kickstand in that form factor. Also, couldn't hook the not-a-kickstand over my knees while lying on a couch, something I used to do frequently with the Surface!
2) Flat keyboard my beloathed. The thing that made the Surface Pro keyboard not awful was the fact it clipped up to have a decent angle and therefore actual comfortable typing experience. That extra cm off the table really helps it feel like a normal keyboard!
Edit: 3) You could actually use the Surface Pro on your lap 😛 Well, I could at least, and did. Most of the time I used it!
Edit 2: 4) The movement to open this 2-in-1 and have it set up for typing seems a lot more involved than on the Surface. For the Surface, you open the keyboard lid (as with every laptop) and then just have to flick the kickstand back with the back of your middle fingernail in the little grooves on either side, then you're ready to go. Actually having to stop and adjust the back of the case, both pushing it into the right shape down the bottom and then adjusting the height up the top, is significantly more involved.
I'm sure if you swapped between the two as a daily driver for a week or so, these little design decisions would add up. I'm sure the XPS computer part is great, but I do want to give a massive shoutout to the UX team who designed the Surface Pro for so many simple QOL decisions that you don't appreciate until they're suddenly not there! In fact, trying to use my old Surface as Just A Tablet now I have a new laptop, and it's interesting seeing how difficult it is because of _software_ design decisions that seem to have been made with far less care than the hardware.
So no, I don't think the XPS has "DESTROYED" the Surface Pro, but it's good to see another serious competitor and I can't wait to see the learnings on a version 2. Little tip Dell: Great designers steal!
Do u reckon the surface pro is good for programming?
@@alley8780 It's fine. Depends on your use case.
If you're at Uni/college, it's handy to have the extreme portability plus the pen for those maths courses/anything that requires diagraming. But beware that the heat dissipation is limited and if you're doing anything particularly intense, you can run into problems, though I only encountered this once or twice (mainly in my AI course).
Also, Windows ain't the greatest programming OS, and the linux compat isn't amazing. But on the other hand, WSL 2 is getting better all the time. So if you're happy programming within Windows in general, you'll do fine.
Overall, I had very few problems using it as my only computer during my CS degree. Moving to full time work, I had a separate work laptop for that, so can't say how it'd perform on a truly meaty codebase. If you like the form factor, there's nothing that I'd particularly say "no avoid this because xyz". The main thing is just those thermals aren't so great if you're pushing it very hard (though maybe they've improved since the 4) and there's no way to open the chassis to dust the fans. Also, if you crack the screen, you need a full replacement computer (ask me how I know, I started with a SP3). And though I might be sounding quite negative here, I've really loved that little laptop and if I could have my time again, I would definitely choose it again. Just wanna be very clear of the tradeoffs that do exist so you can make the decision that's right for you 😊
Oh, also, the pen functionality for being able to sign documents without owning a printer? Makes adulting so much easier!
destroyed by price. you can have logitech mx mini and type whatever you want on good keyboard.
40% of price is huge.
tabletop - is the issue,but if you accurate it will be possible to use legs as table.
anyway, it's just more affordable for massmarket.
I would 100% prefer the headphone jack over that camera...
Cute laughing in Bluetooth
@@qjtvaddict maniacal laughing in actually having a headphone jack
@@qjtvaddictit's a fucking laptop, not a phone, there's no excuse for it to not have a headphone jack
People that are stuck on 3.5jack is stupid. All the better consumer headsets are Bluetooth now. No one really want to have that stupid jack.
@@gamerxvc3055 lol... you can't have the same audio quality of my sennheiser HD800 with bluetooth... and I have some top tier bluetooth headphones and no one is even close.
And the only thing they didn’t compare side by side is the very same Surface
prolly will be a whole video
Yup and I was waiting for why it's better than the surface.
@@lilboo07 It's not, different tools for different applications.
I'll still go with the Surface Pro because the Kickstand is built into the body. This enables you to easily angle the Surface in Tablet mode.
surface pro is still better
I'll still go with the Samsung Tab S7...
@Marcos Parreira I'm using my s7 plus from 2 years ago. Don't know why they didn't just do what samsung did and just had the folio magnetised to the back of the tablet.
I've had my surface pro for a few years and still going strong. But I ended up getting a z13. The performance is insane for a tablet. It has a separate cpu and gpu so it does an excellent job at gaming and productivity
@@MarcosParreira525 Does Dex support Windows desktop applications and does Dex’s version of Office support Powerquery?
I just got the Asus ROG Flow Z13. Absolute beast for the size, has better specs than a similarly specced Surface Pro, has an Nvidia GPU, costs less than both the Surface Pro and the MacBook, oh and it has a headphone jack and USB-A port. You can also expand the storage with a micro SD card, and the hard drive is user upgradable. It's a bit thicker and heavier than the other 2 in 1 devices, but it's WAY more versatile. I'm glad I went with that one.
I love my flow too! It’s such a better deal than the xps or mac, and has such better performance and fearure
Yeah, but the battery life is dire.
I got My Rog flow x13 with egpu 3080,the best for My 3AAA gaming with 3dwork
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"and it has a headphone jack"
It was strange not to have a conversion to kg when you were weighing the notebook, I always thought it was very good that you guys did the conversion for us
It would be nice if us in the US would switch to metric. I hate using imperial here in the US.
Yeah... I think you're not very lucky at this point, but it would be good for the whole world if they changed, it makes more sense.
If you bring out international video's you should be using scientific units. Like Milimeter, Centimeter, Meter, Grams, & Kilograms. It's outrageous.
Yeah. I guess they just forgot this time. Usually they always shows both units.
@@KayvonJavid The US have already dug their graves, as an engineering major so much engineering formulas are built with imperial so they would have to rewrite so much
The built in mic on the 2-1 is exceptional and the camera is excellent from your video sample. Look like a better buy especially if it's cheaper than the Surface pro.
Way more expensive
Surface Pro is much more powerful. Paired with a docking station it rivals many desktops. Really no comparison especially considering Dell's horrible customer service and shady business practices. I tend to steer as far away from Dell as possible.
@@sapper_12_z16but I’ve seen many companies using dell laptops for their office workers lol
This time the clickbait title actually disappointing, because I really hoped they did something cool with the surface form factor, but this is not actually better then Surface Pro. Just the Surface's hinge alone makes it better then any folio case combo. And Surface 8 has good improvements over previous generations (and still has a headphone jack). (Surface 9 though ditches the jack and just adds 5g and that's it)
The 9 doesn't really have 5G though does it? It's got their own special processor which I'm sure isn't great, and 5G. You don't seem to be able to get 5G and the intel chip for some unknown reason (unless they've done the dirty on the UK which is a possibility I suppose). Plus you did miss the price. The whole price of the Surface 9 package is vastly higher than this. So it might be a better choice for people with less spare cash.
@@jonevansauthor I understand the price argument, but "Sufrace but cheaper" wasn't what I was expecting based on the clickbaity title. Also, you don't have to re-buy the pen and the keyboard between Surface generations (most of the time). As for 5G, I actually did know something. Surface 9 comes in 2 versions, Intel (without 5g) and SQ3 (with 5g). SQ3 is a Qualcomm Arm-based chip which has 5g and some AI cores for AI voice isolation and stuff, but it's also Windows on Arm with all downsides that come with it. Most programs do run on it, but everything that has to go through a translation layer runs like crap.
@@yokayoksven yes that's the weird bit about the the 5G. I really don't get why you wouldn't want it as an option on the Intel one too. It seems the wrong way around, given that everyone is excited about Windows on ARM being good one day but I've yet to hear anyone rave about it now.
Sorry that you were disappointed that this isn't the same price, but much more powerful somehow. I can see how that would be more exciting for some people.
Personally, I've just been hoping for something that's powerful enough for office productivity, has the correct detachable form factor so it can be my tablet as well as my laptop and potentially even serve as my work (not gaming) PC. But... without the enormous price tag.
I'm very much looking forward to an LTT Lab future where I can easily compare such things. I know Lenovo and Huawei have a version (or three) atm but it's such a pain trying to work out what''s current and where the flaws are.
You think this thing destroyed the Surface Pro? okay.
I'd love to see comparing them to Thinkpads. The 10th gen Carbon is lighter, more upgradable, with more IO and even cheaper on sale...
hopefully 11th gen has better cooling
X1 carbon feels miles better than the xpses
@@rafalxyz disagree by a long shot. the keyboard, trackpad, display and frame build of the XPS blows the X1 away all day long. XPS feels way more premium, and a level up in that regard over the X1
I eyeballed the carbon, if its for you - thats great but im personally not a man for that connection system. My sister had hers broke off
as a work laptop sometimes sound with teams is screwey and i need emergency headphone jack access. this would be a no go. Oh well, my other dell has been very good for work. onedrive works for storage. idk why someone would use a 13 incher as their personal laptop. upgraded to 15 inches for work because excel on 13 inches is pure suffering
i went from a 13in to a 16in and it's soo much better.... for everything, even just writing word docs or a spreadsheet - or like using a browser while doing either of those things.
They spend more time carrying it around, traveling and or in meetings than heavy use (when they do really use it they dock with monitor(s).).
@@Fabio53443 same as going from 22 inch 1080p to 27 inch 4k. Working with many or big documents is always better up to about 27 inches.
@@bipbop3121 I travel and walk around a lot with my laptop, 15 inches is not a serious difference for me when it comes to weight and whatnot (for a work, non gamer laptop). Easily mobile. I do dock it at desks. Cheers to usb c it has changed the docking game in a great way. Also-every laptop sleeve space I’ve encountered handles 15 inches. The designers are enlightened too. Down with 13 inchers
It has a dongle adapter that has DAC that comes with it.
I recently learned Colton is head of ShortCircuit so thanks for deciding to add the pricing part Colton!
Hope you don't get fired!
Oh and thanks for greenlighting the Linus body pillow, that shit was hilarious!
Not sure where I heard Colton was head of ShortCircuit, I think I misheard a part of Jeff's Extreme Tech Upgrade.
Anyway, thanks to whoever decided to add the pricing segment!
Previously it was jono, he went to mkbhd
Guess it's Colton now
@@ChaoticAuthority Oh really?! Where did you hear that?
Have an 9510 and looked at the dell website while looking at this video. their prices exploded here in germany. the 9520 is five hundred euros more then my 9510. im shocked i have to say.
Lohnt sich so ein Laptop/Tablet bitte ehrlich sein :)
My surface 8 has a audio jack and integrated kickstand. I feel that the surface 8 is a better deal overall.
The screen ratio of the 2-1 isn't actually that weird.
It's pretty close to the ratio of the Din A format.
So this was probably chosen to display documents more true to nature.
This will help a lot with the pen input.
Agreed 3:2 is not that uncommon; though Alex speaks about the resolution (2880x1920).
On a phone removing the headphone jack to save space isn't great but I can live with it. But on a laptop, it's a deal breaker. Windows/Macos handle wireless headphones A LOT worse then phones do, and on top of that when I'm using a full computer there's a very good chance I'll want to use my studio headphones, maybe I just want an audio out to some speakers, any number of things.
Not to mention that Bluetooth headphones don't switch over very nicely between Windows and Android (or Windows and anything for that matter)
@@passive101 They work fine with Bluetooth *in isolation*, the problem is the instant you want 2 devices to both talk to a set of headphones, because for some reason proper multi target pairing support is still tricky to find in Bluetooth headphones.
USB C to 3.5mm is still included and having the DAC external like that and you can litterally use whichever one you want which is typically miles better than any internal DAC included with the audio chip in a laptop.
@@StellarJay77 That tiny dongle makes me think that either the DAC is still internal and they just don't have a separate jack (there's a USB C extension that lets it carry analogue audio signals) in which case the signal routing through the laptop would leave it more prone to interference than a dedicated jack, or that it's going to be worse than a modern integrated DAC, since it's way too small to have the same kind of hardware as a high end dedicated DAC.
Previous 2in1 was objectively better. More screen angles, better processor, better ports and placements.
Personally as someone that uses there 2 in 1, HP Envy x360, I prefer the build of an actual 2 in 1, where I can use it as an actual Laptop, and when I am at school, I can use it as my tablet that i write on. The fact that mine has 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A, a Headphone jack and SD card reader, both i have never used, as well as the HDMI, that i also use occasionally, all just for £780 pounds, so i found this an amazing deal, also, the radeon processor, is also pretty good for some light gaming, such as fortnite at middle to low but nice settings!
same, but the one mistake (maybe?) I made was buying an 15'6 display. This thing really can't be used as a tablet to take notes, it just doesn't fit in my tiny hands.
I do this as well, I bought the previous year's model so I got mine for around £650. I use the headphone jack to listen to music when studying between classes (cheap wired as a student has got to save when they can! 😂)
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With only two I/O/Power ports and no post purchase upgrade options for storage and RAM, these are a really tough sells at any price point for me. Bluetooth can take care of headphones, but being capped on storage and RAM from the day it is built, is just really close to a deal breaker.
Great video Alex. Dell is definitely off my list of options if they keep choosing to keep this lack of io port path.
Why are you not using metric measurements (for weights)?
If you're gonna use one. Use the one that's widely accepted.
Or show both. How hard is it?
YES.
just as hard as you just searching it up on Google 🤣
The omission of a headphone jack would be bearable if wireless headphones worked decently on windows...
Despite having windows 11 and 2 bluetooth 5.3 perhipherals (both the laptop and the headphones), I cannot get rid of audio delay...
Extremely annoying.
My dad has used wireless headphones on his Windows 7 PC and the delay was so big that he got new wired ones
It's still inexcusable. Like ... why? There's plenty of space, it costs nothing. And I'm pissed about the lack of USB-A, too.
The io is just straight up shit
Perhaps it’s time for USB-C headphones to become more prevalent
@@BlindMango This is the real answer as the DAC would move into the headphones so could be properly tuned for whatever driver setup and acoustic profile fits for that particular headset provided the manufacturer actually knows what they are doing.
I have the XPS 13 2 in 1 from 2019 when it was a dual core with passive cooling. I absolutely love the form factor and function of the 360 hinge, this new tablet style just looks cheap in comparison.
Now I barely use that laptop because I never got to travel with it due to the pandemic and a dual core machine struggles to update windows or launch Chrome, but it's such a pretty device.
I can always trust Alex to properly rip ANY laptop apart verbally as much as Steve at GN rips into any Prefab desktop.
Every new laptop destroys old laptop.
I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360
Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up
I recently bought an ASUS zenbook pro 14 duo OLED for 1840 euros. Every single laptop showcase on shortcircuit of laptops from the same price category have made me feel really good about my purchasing decision.
It honestly baffles me how little you get for such exorbitant amounts of money.
I thought you switched to metric? 🤔
How's the thermal throttling on the 2-in-1? One of my biggest complaints about the Surface line was that it throttled heavily which tanked performance.
Hearing this, besides the 6 hour battery 😉, ik so happy with my asus flow z13. Actually usable as laptop , more power than the 13+.. and a headphone jack (but not much more ). Also , that type Cover from Asus is somehow the keyboard i beat my monkey type record with ...
Kinda weird the asus flow series is just ignored in most comparisons... Its possibly one of the best ways for someone who wants to work and game but don't want to keep 2 separate systems for it..
@@vivekvs1992 far from a perfect device... But by far the perfect device for me :). And the pricing is a bit steep , but the boss paid . This 13" laptop/tablet replaced my Ryzen 2700x/gtx1060 desktop machine , since it beats it just in performance (without dlss ). And i can do photo work on it, and i can use it for work... I just need a battery bank when i have to sit 6 hours in a train for a conference
@@jorismak Are you considering the ROG external graphics dock? I imagine it would boost your gaming experience even harder
@@jorismak I was telling my brother to get that when he went to college and give me his ancient alienware(gtx980mobile)... Unfortunately it was out of stock and we ended up with an Asus tuf series.. Still pretty good..he can take them for presentations without anyone raising an eyebrow.. And I can push for 1-2 more years on the alienware as a desktop replacement..
Also 500 dollars more.
Just bought a sky XPS 13 with the core i7, 16gb ram and 512gb of storage (with the non touch display) and it’s great so far. I bought it on sale at JB HI FI here in Australia where it was $480 off, but I managed to negotiate $30 off for a $510 discount off of full price (RRP $2399 aud, I paid $1890 aud) which is a huge saving
6:05 metric measurements too, shortcircuit! metric measurements too!
XPS 13: 1.169 kg
XPS 13 Plus: 1.266 kg
XPS 13 2-in-1: 1.315 kg
Why do people make a huge deal out of a 3.5 mm headphone jack missing if you are given a dongle? Just attach the dongle to the set of headphones you always use and it's a non-issue. Only time I can see it being a minor problem is if you are always changing different style headphones and forget the dongle but I imagine most people like to use either Bluetooth in which case the dongle doesn't matter or if they use over the ear they just have the dongle attached to that over the ear set. Am I missing something here?
No conversions from lbs to grams? I thought you were better than this
As a Surface Pro 7 user I have a few takes, and some might be hot.
- Having the kickstand built in is way better, and can also cover wider range of angles
- Surface Pros might not come with the pen and keyboard, but they have pretty good cross compatibility. So these are more of a one time expense for multiple devices.
- The newer Pros have upgradable SSDs
- Mine has a headphone jack and a USB-C port, and I basically always use a dongle. The donle makes the in line remotes work, which is somehow still not a thing for built in headphone jacks.
- The Surface competitors might be competitively priced in the States with their constant discounts, but this is not the case for the rest of the world, so there they're usually more expensive.
- The Surface has a magnetic charger
14:38 I can see right there that they could easily, easily used M.2 2230 as other devices like the Steam Deck the latest Surface/s etc.
I wish LTT also made reviews with developers in mind, every developer I know is always thinking about buying a new laptop :D
It is so annoying that less gadgets have headphone jacks now I can kind of understand on a phone but not large tablets or laptops
Clearly there isn't enough space and it can't be waterproofed! /s
I'm actually pissed it doesn't have USB-A ports either. Like, there's no reason to not have those (and the jack and maybe an SD card reader). I'd otherwise be probably buying it.
Surface should have seen it coming a longtime ago. Especially with the popularity of the Dell Venue 11.
I’ve always loved these laptop reviews just to stay up to date with tech, but I’m finally finding my life has gotten to the point that I NEED a laptop. Thanks for these!!!
Yeah, but please check out the HP x360 with over this one... my R7 4700U, 16+512GB, has more IO, a headphone jack, non-soldered storage, is cheaper and otherwise functionally identical... also a 2-in-1, 13" in size
I have the XPS 13 Plus (9320) with a core i7, 1TB ssd and 32gb memory and it’s a very good compact machine and does all I need very well and much better than my old 17” HP Spectre x360
Love the fact it automatically starts up when you pull the screen up
@@CricketEngland oh I’m not looking at anything like this, I just like their laptop content and have always watched it even when I thought laptops were dumb.
One thing I’m curious about the 2in1, or surface pro is, can they install programs off of internet browsers like a normal computer running windows?
Or does it require special applications from app stores like iOS or google play?
Want a tablet that can run blender since none of the good design apps I’ve come across on iOS are free or one time purchases. There’s some free options available but they all have certain key features missing.
Also for the potential to be used as a laptop like what was tried around 8:05, dell could pretty simply design a different keyboard that supports the screen.
I'm dying to see Alex try the Yoga7 gen7. Especially with an eGPU
check the prices on ebay, we have the latest XPS models at massively reduced prices
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When you guys preview a 2 in 1 other other laptops with a pen, I'd love to get some artists impressions on the quality of the pen!
Tho 50 days of charge is actually not good at all. My Chinese crowdfunded tablet uses XP Pen pens that use regular AA Batteries and one lasts me over a year with drawing 2 days a week and the ones using Wacom technology don't need to be charged. Pens that need their own power source have been hit and miss larely. The HP Pen technology has been really bad but the iPad pro pen is really good. You can't really show it on youtube, you have to go to some kind of Best Buy and try it yourself.
I'm using an Asus Zenbook flip 13 OLED for about half a year, and it don't have headphone jack as well. But for the last 2 years i'm using wireless headsets and headphones on the go. But when i'm at home, I have a thunderbolt dock with ethernet and jack, so it's not that bat of a situation.
15:20 you could still compare it to the M1 Air with 16GB RAM which is in that price range and is still an exceptional laptop, the M1 is also still a bit faster than the i5 1230U (at least according to the benchmarks I found). The only issue is the dated design of the M1 Air.
well the design isn't the only issue, Mac is another one of 'em, especially when you're not in the Apple ecosystem either way and most programs you use often don't exist on Mac and you've always used Windows or Linux it makes very little sense to buy something with Mac.
A great design is a timeless design. So how is that an "issue"?!
@@BH4x0r I got a Mac after using only Windows. Most apps are available on the Mac too, I found, and for those that are not, there's great alternatives. (And I have and Android phone, so no ecosystem for me.) Also have a Surface Pro. I cobble together my own ecosystem and I love it.
@@mkteku The ginormous bezels on the old Macbooks are extremely dated by todays standards and by no means timeless... this is even more apparent when you have both a new MBA/Pro and the old one and see them side by side.
It's kinda like putting the 2018 MBA besides the 2016 MBA... you know, the 2016 which had the humongous white bezels.
@@mkteku Mac is nowhere near as broken/locked as iOS is, you can actually easily transfer stuff between Mac and Android, but iOS and Windows or Linux is a living nightmare, i'm pretty sure thats almost intentional to get people to buy everything Apple after they paid way too much on their iPhone and iPad
i still don't like Mac personally but it's decent enough, especially compared to the mobile counterparts
I don't like cloud based file transfer, so i would need to install iTunes to move files, and if you'll ever want your contacts to move to Android for example you'll have to log in on iCloud and download them manually via the website, ánd with Android devices you can generally just connect one to another via usb to transfer all apps, photo's, contacts and stuff
much easier
a good video. But as always in those video, people still dont get the interest of getting a thunderbolt 4. using a mouse that uses like ~10ko/s on a 40Gbs port is useless. The interest is :
1 -> use an external GPU that will use most of that speed
2 -> use a dongle to get what you need. In 1 port, I have 2 HDMI, 6 USB-A, 2 USB-C, 1 DP, 1 ethernet and it can charge my laptop. So with the XPS 13 plus, the other thunderbolt 4 is almost useless (you can use it if the first one stop working : )).
So please stop considering that removing ports is bad. Because it allows Dell to get more space inside while being able to still use the same number of ports with a dongle. Well, you have to buy one after...
You guys forgot to censor the address with the XPS 13 at the beginning (0:17)
Linus personally moons every trespasser on LTT HQ.
I believe the tally of deaths is over 100.
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I have a 2018 XPS 13 9370 and it plays Minecraft fine at low settings. Being able to play Minecraft is a valid perk but it can be down with older higher end notebooks.
they removed the headphone jack on a laptop???
I really don't understand the hate for no headphone jack, when you have headsets like the Anker Soundcore Q35--with *excellent* noise cancellation, by the way--that can hit $99 on sale. Why tether yourself with something that is going to drain your laptop's battery?
should have rolled credits as soon as alex revealed the headphone jack dongle
There is no service instructions for the 2-in-1 which means it has no field serviceable parts. That means if something goes wrong you have to send it in for depot repair.
The second I saw that it was a Dell XPS in my notifications, I knew Alex would be the one covering it.
Was looking to replace my older HP Envy, but no 3,5mm is a dealbreaker, AND in adition to that there is just not enough ports. Like, if you are charging you got like one port before you end up in dongle hell. I am far enough into dongle hell as it is.
If only there was an higher speced variant similar to the Envy that have a 16;10 screen.
Anything where the kickstand is not part of the tablet isn't a full Surface Pro contender for me. A major use case for me is only tablet with pen, and using the tablet at a very high angle. Feels like you're on an angled writing desk, and is the most comfy thing ever in meetings and lectures to write on.
I bought the Dell 13" 2 in 1. The speaker was blown, and the back of the screen got so hot you could fry an egg on it. The protruding camera on the back makes it wobble when trying to draw on it as well. I had to send it back, and I am now rethinking my choice.
Would love to see your take on the Thinkpad T14/16 compared to the XPS, apparently they made their keyboards worse to make it thinner again.
Nice video. Odd that you would want a 3.5mm jack built in. If you are an normal user, then use Bluetooth. If you are an audiophile than use a plug-in Digital to Analog converter, like the Audio Engine D1.
I would say, if you're going to go with the "only two USB c port" route" at least it's on on each side unlike MACs where both are on the same side
oddly enough, macs have gotten better IO now. Latest MBA has a magsafe charging port, 2 thunderbolt 4/usb4 ports, and a headphone jack. so it wins by a headphone jack, still not great IO though.
It'd be nice to see these reviews show how well it does software engineering tasks like run a VM and docker. See how well the cooling works under load, how loud are the fans.
I don't think this is a common thing people look for but personally I find the 2 in 1s very interesting because I don't want a laptop keyboard. I have a 40% keyboard I love and don't want to use anything else.
Thanks for the review LTT.
Depends what you mean by "run a VM". There's too many variables there to be able to just give a definitive answer. You can run VMs on 10+ year old laptops, so this thing shouldn't present too much trouble so long as you don't go trying to virtualize resource-heavy tasks on resource-heavy guest operating systems.
@@FlyboyHelosim tbh it doesn't matter that much. My point was just that I'd like to see a somewhat demanding software engineering task be done. At the very least a fan noise comparison would be nice. 🤷♂
@@ATBalls25 Well these laptops aren't really meant for software engineering anyway. The XPS line was always a home multimedia one, only more recently has it become a semi-business line. For software engineering you'd be looking at the Precision line.
I love using a separate mechanical keyboard with my Surface Pro too. Just dig the look and feel of the setup.
It's great to see more 3rd party's doing a kind of Surface of device but with their own engineering to them. I still think the surface kickstand is one to beat but Lonovo, Dell and HP all have some nice alternatives on the market.
Fantastic piece for testing e-gpu use with external dongles etc. What a nice opportunity to test it like that.
Presumably the dual usb c arrangement on the 2 in 1 is for the macbook air style dongle hubs? Also how strange does the phrase dongle hub sound?
"dongle hub" sounds like just acceptance that the free market can't bring nice things to the table 😭
Sounds about right. Would rather have something included, and not need it, than need it, and not have it.
As a dell business customer of a decade plus, there is always the wait and see how the machine degrades as the warranty end nears, did you get what you ordered when you ordered or did they switch out anything, were you even able to order without them mysteriously not having the part anymore to complete your order so it's canceled and dude, you're getting a Dell . . so.
I must have seen another video because I fail to see where it "destroys" the Surface Pro...
Just like with the Surface Pro 9, it doesn't have any headphone jack... I'd stick with the Surface Pro 8!
The kickstand of a Surface Pro is amazing! I use it a lot without the keyboard attached. The angle is not only wider but also more smooth. And I've simply never liked magnetic stands.
I own four Asus portable monitors and although three of them supports the fancy kickstand (and other compatible mounts) I only have one of those and the magnetic stands are just horrible.
The Surface Pro 9 even have a better CPU 1255U vs 1250U for the i7 versions and 1235U vs 1230U for the i5 versions.
They both have a 3:2 screen @ 2880 X 1920 but the Surface Pro 9 is 120 Hz while the XPS 2-in-1 is 60 Hz...
If price is a concern and you can get the XPS cheaper, then do that. But you're comparing apples to oranges.
I had to dislike this video because I'm tired of clickbait. I really though Dell had made something impressive, but it's nothing but a Surface clone. It's fine, but not really destroying anything!
@1:21 you didn't blur the shipping label. I think earlier you did though. Just a heads up if you didn't know.
I just want a headphone jack.
I have personally owned my 2 in 1 for about 6 months, my biggest complaint is when I want to detach the keyboard and use as a tablet it is very hard to hold.....and no cases are made for this to make the tablet experience more enjoyable.
I am literally just looking at one on their website for $1449 with i7-1250U, 16gb ram, and folio + pen 😭😭
Perfect timing
Might be my next laptop cuz I really want a good 2-in-1 but Surface sucks (overpriced and underspecced) and any other use either ARM or the latest level cpu possible
I got the huawei matebook e i5 for £600 maybe look at that
@@lonelyone69 I live in the US :(
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Maybe look at the rog flow or wait until the new lenovo yoga with ryzen 6000 comes to the US
@@Vegatablez the Yoga's aren't 2-in-1 tho right? Already have a 360 hinge laptop
Is there a reason you are compelled to continually look to your left?
Also the 2-in-1 is the perfect quiet option since it's fanless! Perfect choice for auto booths! 😎
In the USA, I paid $1099 + $220 for SP9 i5 16/256 and Signature keyboard with pen by purchasing it at Costco and having Bestbuy Price match amazon for the keyboard/pen. So far I love this thing. And the price wasn't too bad. Plus Costco includes an additional year of warranty.
No 3.5mm socket (get f-ed Dell). Not Wacom EMR. That stand is not going to be fun, but will do (I use a Samsung with a similar way to prop it up - it's okay at best).
We bought 5x Dell 5290 tablet 2 in 1s. All five, every single one, eventually had a screen issue to the lower section of the device. No touch. We decided to keep with the Surface range from that point forward. The quality from the Dell 'copies' simply wasn't there. Sure, the new device(s) might have improved, but I doubt it. Dell destroying the Surface line? Nah. They'd never commit to spending that type of cash.
WTF is this port selection?!
My flippin' tablet has more IO than both computers combined! (I have a Dell Latitude 5175 from 7 years ago.)
I have USB-C, USB-A, 3.5mm jack, SD slot, SIM slot (LTE baby), and a reaplaceable NVMe 2280 inside while the tablet is opening from the back!
I was about to find my new tablet for the last 2 years. Basic expectations: USB-A, Jack, replaceable storage and back entry. Every time a new tablet gets introduced I get more and more attached to my Skylake-4GB latitude.
Disappointing.
Edit: Yeah, 10.1" 10h battery (when new) and extended battery (double the runtime) in one of the 2 keyboard options.
Same opinion here.
You safe production money and make more profit you Facebook /Fortnite generation sheep.
@@IIISentorIII Considering it's a business class device (Latitude) profit should never be the number one consideration. Make it more expensive I don't care. Just make it good.
Only 2 usc c ports where one is taken by the charger. And the thing is, it's not possible to make a USB-c to multiple USB-c ports hub, like it was on USB-a.
The stylus looks pretty similar to samsung's s-pen
Not really, the s-pen is a lot thinner and it also uses much better tech for the tracking
@@scio7838 Depends on the generation. The old ISD pens were interchangable with slates, usb monitors and the old Surface. They also didn't need to be charged.
The XPS 13 2in1 kinda sad cause no surface style kickstand. They used to on old latitude 5290 tablet, and that one was also way more repairable. The kickstand makes such a huge difference for drawing but I guess with the weight this one probably has would be really difficult. Also please for love of god can 2in1's bring back a lil loop on keyboard for the pen. Magnets do not hold it it always comes off and can get rekt in bag when it does. Having kickstand tied to keyboard makes it pain to use on uni desks which are usually shallow af. Overall still seems great lil drawing device.
Too much unnecessary talks rather than reviewing the product.
Agreed
I have a latitude 5290 2 in 1 i bought 500€ as used, this thing is really good. i7 8650u, 16gb of ram, 512gb m.2 ssd, 1920*1200 screen, 1 usb a 3.0, 2 type c thunderbolt, a jack (!!!) and even a sim slot for 4G. the kickstand is on the tablet itself and has a big angle of oppening, and the stylus is good too(2 AAA battery). I think it was only a laptop buyable by companies for their workers, so it is a bit hard to find. I take my class with, and it is just perfect, i can play some game with it too. Dell made a good job here.
Dell will never destroy anything. Have a Surface Pro 3 that is 9 years old and while a bit slow it never had a single problem. Spent £2400 on an XPS15 for heavy work, and had soooo many issues here and there, overall really annoying ownership experience. Not buying dell ever again. Microsoft asks quite a lot for surface devices, but it's worth the price in my opinion.
Any artists know if the 2-in-1 is good for programs such as Clip Studio Paint or Photoshop? I use a Huion kamvas pro 13 which is fantastic but it’s not a standalone. Is the XPS 13 2-in-1 a good mobile choice or are there better ones?
i like tablets on x86, but dont have lots money so i bought used thinkpad 8 LTE, still works nice with windows 10 1909(its also maximum configuration with 128 GB emmc and lte)
Why would you want the i5 over the i7? Battery consumption? Fan noise? Trying to figure out what I want and my default stance has always been "go big or go home".
I dont believe they didn't show us the big rear camera from the 2-in-1
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Nice Video but I wished Lenovo and Acer had been included. It reminds me of the Thinkpad L13/X13 or Yoga, as like as Acer Spin and Swift. Don't know how they do now, but 2 years ago they did very well. Also Lenovo has often covered many ports and/or docking stations with even more.
I use Lenovo since I studied and some buddy of mine (around 200 kg) sat on his T60 by mistake which was curved after this and we sure thought the display was broken. But after hours it got its form back slowly and the next day we could open it and it worked well. My Flex14-2 works fine since 2016, my X220t has issues but had also to survive many construction sites, natural environments and me. And the last one, most can not stand very long.
I'm not easy going on these devices. Not on the software side of things nor the hardware.
Coke/Coffee on keyboards, throwing them in the backpack like they are, using solar to charge, change the OS every now and than, making backups from whole laptops, using them as servers and the list goes on and on and on. Acers can't survive me myself, but most people I know. They'd been superior to Lenovo in displays and graphics mostly.
I may sound like a Lenovo fan and obviously I'm by now. But Dell had devices which could stand me to some years ago. And many manufactures don't can survive outdoors. Most can't even survive indoors if you have kids, cats or alikes.
And why the hell is the camera so important? I know since Covid everybody had intruduced itself to working from home and video calls, but does the prof/boss/... really need to know the correct color of your pyjama? Not sure about that one. I think than graphics would be important too to as many people. Or should I say how many of the popular games from the last 2 years can be played on these? And what about wireless? If I haven't the ports I should use mouse, phone and such via these. And has the pen different pressure levels?
So again: Nice video, but space for improvement. ;-)
I want a tablet but Which one do you think would do a better job for handling graphics and video editing?
Alex you really have to get with modern times. In new laptop/portable PC setups a 3.5mm headphone jack with accompanying internal DAC is much more complicated now in such small form factors to isolate from internal power interference and actually sound good. USB C to 3.5mm can be generations better in quality and realistically people are moving more and more towards wireless solutions or full external studio DAC's if using laptops for high end audio work. So fewer and fewer people are actually using a 3.5mm headphone output now anyway.
To be fair, the galaxy book2 pro 360 is a pretty good deal too. The burgundy i7 model is quite cheap. You can find new ones being sold for way less than MSRP
Real downside of XPS 13 is it's mic is not directional. If you stand behind MBP and say something mic will probably not pic it up at all. XPS captures everything because it's mic is on the top edge of the screen (see 5:00). Occasional visit to the busy office turns you day into muting mic exercise.
I don't understand why everyone goes for the soft stand approach. Apple introduced the rigid Magic Keyboard because it allows you to use the iPad in a laptop configuration. Something the Surface tablets just can't do. (At least not well.)
I don't get the complaints about missing audio jacks. Why isn't bluetooth a thing?
I refuse to call this type of design a 2-in-1. It’s a tablet with a folio keyboard. It feels absolutely terrible as a laptop, and having dealt with a bunch of issues with similar products in the past, I’ll never use one again. Please bring back the old 2-in-1 design Dell.
I have an xps 13 -- hopefully these new models still act as a personal heater while running youtube videos (unlike my amazon tablet)
I wish the 2-in-1 design was tweaked. Make it a bit thicker on the back to flush the camera and with the added thickness you have an integrated kickstand. As nice as the magnets seem, it won't hold for writing and art. Plus the keyboard will be in the way.
I was sitting on my porch watching this and at the moment of the segue a large pickup drove past and revved its engine, I was very confused and for a moment impressed by my phone's speakers when he told the truck to shut up.