I want to know if the following scenario works. If i have the main thermostat in room A and set the temperature to 21 degrees (dealing with celsius here), and if i put these radiator valves in room B and C, and set the temperature 19 degrees and 17 degrees. The heating stopped because the temperature in the room A where the main thermostat is hit 21, and if i open the window in room C where the valve thermostat is set to 17 degrees, and the temperature goes down to 10 degrees, will thise trigger the heating for that radiator? Even if where the main thermostat in room A is still 21 degrees? Or is this system set just not to overheat the room above the set value. I would want it to teiggwr the heating from any room.
Maybe a bit late, but the wired thermostat will trigger the boiler when one of the radiator thermostats does. The wireless thermostat is only really required for better measuring. The radiator thermostat is likely to get incorrect readings since it's really close to the heat source. So with the wireless thermostat it will cycle less.
I would like some help is possible. I know I'm not a plumber, but I need to know how to bleed this rad, and I don't know where to do it. I can't send a picture thank you
Had this for over 2 years. Started with just the thermostat and added to all radiators one at a time. Love it. Does save money. Direct debit went down £20 a month after first winter.
@@zubairhussain7866 Yes - half of mine are absolutely useless - the Bridge is rubbish. The TRV's need new batteries every 2 months. Some won't ever talk to the Bridge, some will for 5 minutes a day. App says 'connected' - TRV never responds.This has been a complete waste of money - rather than save on bills it's cost a small fortune for nothing at all.
I emailed tado with photos of my radiator valves and they said I can't have the smart radiator thermostats because I have manual radiator valves. Is this really true? Will I need to get someone to change the radiator valves?
Yes, you need thermostatic valve bodies first before you can fit the tado adapter and radiator thermostat. The terminology is a bit confusing because most people already have thermostatic valves, so just need to change the TRV head (the white bit with the numbers) to the tado one which obviously turns itself.
I’ve never used thermostatic valves but I’m thinking switching my regular valves with those. One thing I don’t quite understand yet is how reliably can it measure room temperature when it’s right next to the radiator?
Another great video, thanks! I've had Tado for a while now, it's brilliant! Recently moved home so have to re-install it with a different combi setup (wireless instead of wired) so have I'm hoping the instructions to install the receiver are easy to follow.
Had this setup for 18months and it’s awesome and better than nest. Defo need to have the radiator valves on each rad. Gives you the opportunity to control heat to each room very accurately. I’ve saved over £200 on heating costs Batteries last well over a year Easy to do schedules and have it come on and off when you leave home. It also works seamlessly with HomeKit so you can voice control it. Tado also make thermostats that can control AC units and heat pumps. Great vid
Hi, Thanks for you comment. Just one question please. I’m not really knowledgeable with heating system. Can the TRV override the main thermostat please? For example, can I set the main thermostat to 20 but the room to 25? With my little knowledge, I’m thinking the main thermostat will shut down the boiler so anything above may not work. What do you think? Thanks.
@@okunrin3 Yes, an individual TRV can overide the main thermostat which is great. In my setup I have the main thermostat turned right down and the heating only comes on when one of the TRVs goes below a certain temperature.
@@olliec1319 thanks, I’m really considering buying it, trying to compare with nest, hive, drayton etc. I wouldn’t need the living room at night, just the rooms, so that will be savings. my initial cost will be like £400. Ie buying the thermostat for heating and water, I have 13 radiators, including bathrooms, kitchen, toilet, hallway. My thought is to buy for the rooms that use heater most (living room and the rooms). If I but 14 TRVs, that will be will over £1K.
@@okunrin3 You’re welcome. When I was comparing systems, having zonal heating was a must for me, to be able to heat each room individually at different times. Honeywell and Tado seemed to be the best systems for this and I much preferred Tado’s white design and it cost a lot less than Honeywell. So far it’s great, it all works perfectly. As for my setup, I have 6 rads in my house. I have Tado smart TRVs in the kitchen, living room, and 2 bedrooms. My bathroom rad valve is open all the time (one needs to be so the boiler has somewhere to dissipate heat if needed). I have a standard cheap TRV in my hall (with the 5 numbers on) but can swap it for a Tado TRV if I want to. I paid £130 for the starter kit, and £200 for 4 smart TRVs, although I’ve seen them for as little as £40 each. So I paid £330 in total which really isn’t crazy and I save a lot in heating each year. And I can activate everything from phone or laptop. So with smart TRVs on rads in the main living areas, you wouldn’t need to spend anything like £1k. Anyway, food for thought 🙂
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Hi James. Great video as ever 👍 Quick question about the product. Is it gravity compatible so that it puts on the hot water when the heating is called? Cheers 🙏
I’ve noticed in your videos you often refer to the pipes in inches, I thought the pipes here in the UK are measured in mm. Also can you get adaptors from imperial to metric and how do you identify between the 2 sizes
Those plastic rad valve adapters are rubbish. Thankfully I didn't have to use them. Oh, and the batteries last nowhere near 2 years. Oh, and the rad valves temperature sensing is totally inaccurate (you really need the separate room temperature sensors).
If you have say 7 rads in your house and you only put 4 smart rad thermostats on, will the 3 other radiators come on when just 1 of the other rads is turned on via the smart rad thermostat?
Hi, I am planning to buy a Tado Multi-Zone control, but I am puzzled about it. whether I need a smart Tado valve for every radiator or just one per room. I have 4 ensuite bedrooms, and a sitting room with down stair bathroom. In total, I have 12 radiators, 4 in the bedroom, 5 in the bathrooms, 1 in the sitting room, 1 in the kitchen, and 1 in the hallway. Thanks in advance Note: I have non smart Ideal combi boiler. The boiler is not connected to a thermostat, however, the bedrooms have style-wired thermostats to control the temperature of the room.
Not using Tado but Eve instead, but these are indispensible for anyone living in a shared apartment. In Germany each room has a meter on each radiator and you'll get billed that way. I had a dumb thermostatic valve which I sometimes forgot to turn off when I left, or which didn't let me dial in the temperature properly. I got my Eve thermostat for €5 at a flea market and it has already saved me that amount of money. Btw, if you have geofencing on you just need to set one schedule because it will automatically turn off when you're away anyway. Not sure about the Tado system, but if you have homeassistant you could also use an in-room thermometer for the room temperature reference as the heat coming from the radiator will skew results.
So suspicious of "smart" stuff. What if the company and it's app just disappear, could happen at any time. Do you then have a bricked system that needs tearing out and proper timers putting back in?
Another great video 👍 I'm in the second winter using Tado wireless room stat with an Alpha Evoke 28 and it been great. I've recently found out it can use the OpenTherm connection type, this can module the boiler. Rather than just on or off. Dose anyone have an experience with using OpenTherm? And how the wiring would change on the wireless extention?
Hold tight. I am a DIY person and have been watching all of your videos. Thank you for all your tips and videos. I have one question to ask I am planning to change my Thermostat TRV valves to Auto Balancing Danfoss & Drayton TRV valves. Can I install Tado Radiator TRV on these valves?
I've set up my system. However all of the radiator valves seem to be reading a couple of degrees above the actual room temp. I've done the offset but they are now sat at 23 degrees each. And once the rad comes on the temps rise quite quickly. Any advice?
Good Video , I bought the starter kit from Screwfix but boy do I regret it. Tado Support is pretty useless . My boiler switches on automatically even if the wireless thermostat is switched off. read the trust pilot reviews the most recent ones .
Super interesting! However, would you not need the bypass valve radiator to be where the main thermostat is? If the bypass was in the bathroom and the main thermostat in the corridor for example, if the main thermostat was in demand but no nearby radiator was heating (in bypass) it could keep the demand ON and the bypass installed somewhere else would just keep heating and heating. Right? Or maybe I am missing something 😉
08:08 it's almost as if he knew his time with you was coming to an end and he wanted to spend it close to you. Rest in peace, the greatest cat plumber in the business, George. 🙏🏼
The bit where you're lying on the floor talking away and u have the battery tab u pull out stuck to your knee. I found that funnier than I probably should have. Childish.
Hi Why the temperature is still above 20° when the valves in the other rooms are off? I have exactly same problem, even though I leave the Trv off, the rads are running hot +20°. I reinstalled them few times 😕
Whats really important is to point out that the tado wired thermostat can connect to the bus of the heating. By doing so, it can modulate the heating and not sinply switch it on or off. This will save money when combined with a condensing boiler.
Great video but I have one question, in a scenario that all the thermostatic valves are closed how the gas boiler will know to turn off if you are not using this Central thermostat? For example Central thermostat is 24° and thermostatic valves are 22°. In that scenario the gas boiler will try to rise the temperature room to 24°, so it will never turn off.thx!!
that makes no sense? first you say if you are not using a central thermostat then you reference the thermostat is set at 24. so are you talking about using just the TRV or the TRV and the thermostat?
I am thinking of investing in this. I currently have a (year 2008) Vailiant eco pro system boiler. I removed the v60 controller when I added an UFH circuit to my living room because this boiler and it's brain did not have the ability to add this circuit. At this point I lost my outside sensor for weather compensation etc. (Sorry for the background info) So we added a 2 port valve for the UFH controlled by it's own room stat. The rest of the house is controlled via another 2 port valve and digital time clock and room stat. The hot water on a 3rd 2 port valve. Would it be as simple as adding a new wireless room stat to the UFH circuit in the living room, another wireless room stat to the rest of the house with smart TRV's to all the other rooms?
Not sure if you’ve had this requested before but would you consider doing a video on how you go about pricing up a job? 1st and 2nd fix. Considering going out by myself but have always found it a bit daunting when pricing up big jobs and wanted to know had you any advice or tips. Love the videos mate. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Used to have Tado (without their TRV’s) until Installer broke it during boiler install 🤬. Now have Nest, Tado absolutely brilliant with geofencing especially learning features when you are returning home and real-time heating info something Nest cannot do. You should do a video on this feature as it’s strong point. obviously main thermostat needs to be set high enough to allow smart operation of TRV’s perhaps not needed if you have the TRV’s on every radiator and set a time and temperature schedule as required. Only downside it has against Nest is that you need the bridge to communicate with the server in Germany that holds your schedule etc so if that goes down or you loose internet at home while you are away system is useless whereas Nest holds the schedule within the thermostat and communicates via a mesh network to boiler switch control.
Looking to switch from NEST to Tado. Current set up, combi boiler, unvented cylinder, 2 zones and 10 rads. (Each zone has a NEST) What kit would I need from TADO for this system? Cheers
Is it possible to install smart thermostat in vertical orientation but with valve head facing down? On setup manual it is clear that vertical orinetation has valve head facing upwards but installation of radiators in my house is downwards.
I’ve been using a TADO basic kit for around 2 yrs with a Combi boiler. I’m looking at adding smart radiator valves with a 3 valve pack. Yes the valves can be expensive to start with (around £184 for 3 valves) but if it’s successful I shall add more to the system… Yesterday and after the heating had been switched for the summer I decided to start the system back up in readiness for winter. The first thing I discovered was the room thermostat batteries needed replacing. No problem and did that in about 1 minute then hey presto the heating was up and running. Yes I know there is a paid service if you want added benefits on your smart app, but I’ve not needed it up to now. All in all at first I was sceptical but now after 2 yrs I’m satisfied that this is the smart way forward an£ will be ordering those smart valves…
It would be handy to be able to access the data that each temp sensor records, with this data you could compare the cool down time for each room and use this as a guide to assist in any insulation upgrades. Looking from Tado's side, they would be able to see this data for thousands of households, this cold help identify houses that loose heat the quickest and help the UK meet its carbon targets for 2035 (78% reduction).
You can do this. There are graphs that show temp, boiler demand(only applicable for boiler modulating setup), humidity and even outside temp against time. Tado uses a simplified version of weather compensation by using online weather data input to help control the heating system.
if installing Tado TRV's on each radiator in the home - do you think it will be OK for a heating pump, will it cope? E.g. if all TRV's are closing and it still tries to pump hot water. (relatively new home, circa 15 years, with boiler and hot water cyllinder)
Do these just adjust the radiator valve rather than communicate with the boiler, pump etc? How accurate is the temperature target for the room when the thermostat is so close to the radiator itself? If you have a room with a tado thermostat I assume you don’t want to put the smart radiator valve on the radiator in that room otherwise it’ll just create a conflict, as with traditional adjustable thermostatic valves?
Ive had the hive thermostat and rad valves for about a year, thermostat isn't bad but the valves are awful, always going out of calibration and asking for me to recalibrate. Also the app isn't that user friendly in my opinion, tado looks alot better, might have to invest!
Excellent video. I’m heavily invested in Nest with smoke detectors, cameras as well as the thermostat, so good to know I can just do the radiators. 👍 I do have some rads without thermostats so be good to understand how to sort that. Is there a short cut or do I have to drain the system?
If I have two radiators in one room, do I just replace one valve? I'm thinking changing both radiator valves might confuse temperature with one staying on and one going off, etc
In the app when you add the TRVs you give them a 'Room' name - If you add 2 TRVs to the same 'Room' it synchronises them automatically. I am putting extra wireless temperature sensors in the 'rooms' with 2 TRVs and Tado will adjust the TRVs based on the temp from this sensor. I'm leaving the radiator in the hall without a TRV as a bypass to protect the boiler and keeping a wireless temperature sensor in there too. I bought the V3+ wireless starter kit and was disappointed to find the new UK wireless receiver only does on/off relay control. Comet are still selling the older wireless extension kit which does eBus and properly allows modulation.
@@kissarmy1347 thanks for the response. So if 2 TRV's in one room synchronise then does it mean it's just better to keep 1 in that room as it will be a waste. Rather use the second one in another room... Also can I have more than one wireless thermostat controls in the house? For example, controlling upstairs and downstairs separately. I believe I will need to have smart TRV's on all the radiators in the house, then the thermostats can be allocated to a group of radiators. But I'm not sure if that is the case... Can more than one wireless thermostat controls be on the same system?
@@1987kahil My thought is 2 radiators in a room needs 2 Tado TRVs. These sync together so they aren't fighting each other. I believe 1 Tado TRV and 1 dumb TRV will fight each other. Yes you can have more than one wireless thermostat in the house. Remember that you have to assign wireless thermostats to a 'room' in the same way as you do with TRVs. I have 2 radiators in my office, both with Tado TRVs and a wireless thermostat. These are all assigned to the room 'Office' I then get one control button on the app interface called 'Office'. This is then the control for both TRVs at a temp monitored by the wireless thermostat. If you wanted you could create 2 rooms called 'Upstairs' and 'Downstairs' and assign your 2 wireless thermostats to these 2 rooms. Any TRVs you assign to these 2 'rooms' would then follow the temp monitored by the wireless thermostats for upstairs and downstairs. I feel you would lose a lot of control doing it this way.
Hi, Great video as usual. Just one question please. I’m not really knowledgeable with heating system. Can the TRV override the main thermostat please? For example, can I set the main thermostat to 20 but the room to 25? With my little knowledge, I’m thinking the main thermostat will shut down the boiler so anything above may not work. What do you think? Thanks.
No, main thermostat is just the 'brain' of the system. It talks to the boiler and the thermostats. It's the captain of the team. Other thermostats communicate with the main thermostat and can individually regulate the radiator. If one room needs more heating, the other radiator stay off if they have also tado installed.
Great video very easy to understand and straight to the point, thank you! What is a bypass radiator? Is it a radiator that doesn't have any valves on it I guess? Also I'm considering this Tado with the Vaillant TRVs. I want to be able to modulate my boiler for best efficiency. I heard maybe Tado no longer supports eBUS in UK? Not sure. So I'm considering Vaillants control and TRV which seem very similar. Do you have any opinion on those as an alternative?
Just installed the Tado system and it was easy! However, have noticed two of the radiator thermostats are different versions. They don't have the option to select vertical or horizontal mounting. Firmware updated after a couple of hours. Not sure if the wireless thermostat stays in the hall or should go in the living room but will have fun playing with the system.
Yes, but you have to keep “tricking” the Nest, as the TRVs wont be able to call for hot water. Ive done it, I’m replacing nest with the Tado Thermo this week.
I've had Tado for about 6 years its been great. I had a new Worcester Bosch boiler a few years ago and connected the main thermostat to the digital input of the boiler and now the thermostat modulates the boiler with a thermostat configuration changes. Replaced all the radiator valves and they also modulate temperature of the water to the radiator. It now saves up to 30% on gas.
I have a worcester with a remote thermostat. Can the worcester talk to the TADO thermostat when sited in a remoote location or do you need an additional sender unit?
No you need to connect the smart thermostat to the EBus terminals to the digital connections in you boiler. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/cdn.brandfolder.io/607DGEMS/as/bxgtx5kghgjrbcs4m68kqch/Extension_Kit_Manual_-_Low_Voltage_Digital_Installations.pdf@@colinscoines144
Hi, is anyone able to confirm if the wireless thermostat is actually required to turn the 2 port valve on? Or can the Tado TRV do the same job of turning the 2 port valve on?
Thanks for the video. How do you get in contact with Tado to check compatibility before purchasing the radiator controls please? Am I right in saying any radiator can have them added?
Hi, if anyone could help me. Just installed tado radiator smart valves. Only with bridge. Do you turn in your boiler all the time. And what setting is your existing thermostat? Thanks
Have you installed one of these on the skirting board radiator, therma skirt? The adaptor on those are different than the converstional TRVs, could these even be considered?
Hi, I was going to install the Tado smart thermostat on my Vaillant Ecotec 831 boiler however I spoke with an engineer who said while it can be done the Ecotec boilers it will not run as efficiently as they would using their own controllers. This is due to vaillant having their own Ebus chip and third party controllers can only control the boiler to be on or off rather than gradual heat control, this wasn't always the case with the previos vr65 which I think were opentherm but since the vr66 this seems to not work aswell with third party. Because of this I decided to only purchase the Tado radiator thermostats which come with the bridge in order to run those as an extra while keeping my Vaillant controller. Please can you or anyone else confirm this to be true?
Just got this - 10 smart radiator valves - they’re useless - half of them won’t stay connected because the bridge is so poor! I’ve moved it all around the house and there are always some that are out of reach - my house is not that big - absolute waste of money and when you look at the Tado forums - you’ll see this is very common and Tado seem to have no idea what to do about it other than talk of ‘new hardware on the way’ - so I’ve just thrown hundreds of £ down the drain
Hi sorry if it's a silly question, I understand the thermostat bit downstairs, but what is the piece you put in your loft? My loft doesn't have any of that? Is that what I would put near my boiler the box that I use to put heating on ect?
Hi I have a Viessman vitodens 050. It has a wireless thermostat as opposed to one on the wall. Would I need the full kit of the just the bridge? I’d ideally like full kit with Tado thermostat but not sure how it would be wired?
Great video! Can you confirm whether the Tado V3+ offers full modulation boiler control. I'm not an expert in this area, but I've heard a lot of stuff saying that it only supports on/off of the boiler? We have a Worcester Bosch system - fairly new, but using a tank (not a combi) - and I'd like to be certain that the Tado system will offer proper modulation of the boiler. Any recent UK users able to comment?
Wish I saw this video three weeks ago, now submerged into the Nest ecosystem. It irritates me Nest doesn't do rad control thermostats - That way I won't have the 'Top of the house boiling, ground floor at temperature' scenario. Tado seems to be the perfect solution for that.
I have a thermostat on the wall on the landing, there is no controller box, just the combi boiler with all the timer and controller on the front of it in the kitchen, so what do I do?
Loved Tado at first, but we've found that wifi doesn't reliably connect to the furthest room and Tado is the only "intelligent" valve system that hasn't made a signal booster, so we have to do it manually. The whole reason for the system was so the annex we had built for my father-in-law could be tropical while the rest of the house was at a normal temperature and this makes it impossible😟😡. We also have one valve that doesn't turn off when the desired temperature is reached and is heating the room to 28 whether we like it or not. Sadly, as we had it installed in the summer, we didn't realise how crap it was until the 30 days trial had passed. Very expensive for an unreliable and poorly designed system that won't work properly if your house is bigger than a shoebox or has thick walls. Been waiting 7 WEEKS for the engineer who installed it come and sort it out. My fuel bill has almost doubled in the space of a month, so any savings I might have made have now been wiped out.
you can easily get cheap wifi extenders these days including the powerline ones that work via the power lines in your house. did you not think to do that?
I had the wired smart thermostat installed a month ago on opentherm. It seemed ok until last night, now it seems the boiler is constantly firing for CH.
how to install one of this similar things but to control the room temperature from a thermostat on the wall or similar? isn't the thermostatic valve picking the temperature not from the room but next to the radiator?
If the wall mounted smart thermostat is mounted on the wall of the hall and the smart TRV in the hall radiator is set to off or low and the only room you want heating gets up to the desired temp, does that mean the boiler stays on trying to reach the smart thermostat desired temp in the hall?
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I want to know if the following scenario works. If i have the main thermostat in room A and set the temperature to 21 degrees (dealing with celsius here), and if i put these radiator valves in room B and C, and set the temperature 19 degrees and 17 degrees. The heating stopped because the temperature in the room A where the main thermostat is hit 21, and if i open the window in room C where the valve thermostat is set to 17 degrees, and the temperature goes down to 10 degrees, will thise trigger the heating for that radiator? Even if where the main thermostat in room A is still 21 degrees? Or is this system set just not to overheat the room above the set value. I would want it to teiggwr the heating from any room.
Maybe a bit late, but the wired thermostat will trigger the boiler when one of the radiator thermostats does. The wireless thermostat is only really required for better measuring. The radiator thermostat is likely to get incorrect readings since it's really close to the heat source. So with the wireless thermostat it will cycle less.
Thanks
No problem, thanks!
do you lose your heating system if Internet is down?
I would like some help is possible. I know I'm not a plumber, but I need to know how to bleed this rad, and I don't know where to do it. I can't send a picture thank you
Had this for over 2 years. Started with just the thermostat and added to all radiators one at a time. Love it. Does save money. Direct debit went down £20 a month after first winter.
Same for me
Not suitable for large properties due to the limited range of the wireless bridge. Extenders don't exist. It doesn't use traditional WiFi.
Anybody having these issues that this gentleman pointed out? (I have a fairly large)
@@zubairhussain7866 Yes - half of mine are absolutely useless - the Bridge is rubbish. The TRV's need new batteries every 2 months. Some won't ever talk to the Bridge, some will for 5 minutes a day. App says 'connected' - TRV never responds.This has been a complete waste of money - rather than save on bills it's cost a small fortune for nothing at all.
Just use a passive extender
@@neilmick6778 Well Tado don’t sell them.
I emailed tado with photos of my radiator valves and they said I can't have the smart radiator thermostats because I have manual radiator valves.
Is this really true? Will I need to get someone to change the radiator valves?
Yes, you need thermostatic valve bodies first before you can fit the tado adapter and radiator thermostat. The terminology is a bit confusing because most people already have thermostatic valves, so just need to change the TRV head (the white bit with the numbers) to the tado one which obviously turns itself.
Thanks for clarifing this.
Why did you fast forward through the loft wiring?
Bit sad, not informative at all.
I’ve never used thermostatic valves but I’m thinking switching my regular valves with those. One thing I don’t quite understand yet is how reliably can it measure room temperature when it’s right next to the radiator?
Another great video, thanks! I've had Tado for a while now, it's brilliant! Recently moved home so have to re-install it with a different combi setup (wireless instead of wired) so have I'm hoping the instructions to install the receiver are easy to follow.
did the Tado work ok with the wireless boiler ? I also have a boiler with a wireless thermostat/timer so wasn't sure if the Tado was suitable
What made you decide on tado rather than wiser or evohome etc?
is this device able to rotate a heater knob?, 0°-360°?, I need a device to regulate the heater from app
Had this setup for 18months and it’s awesome and better than nest.
Defo need to have the radiator valves on each rad. Gives you the opportunity to control heat to each room very accurately.
I’ve saved over £200 on heating costs
Batteries last well over a year
Easy to do schedules and have it come on and off when you leave home. It also works seamlessly with HomeKit so you can voice control it. Tado also make thermostats that can control AC units and heat pumps. Great vid
Would love to know more about the HomeKit compatibility
Hi,
Thanks for you comment. Just one question please. I’m not really knowledgeable with heating system.
Can the TRV override the main thermostat please? For example, can I set the main thermostat to 20 but the room to 25?
With my little knowledge, I’m thinking the main thermostat will shut down the boiler so anything above may not work.
What do you think?
Thanks.
@@okunrin3 Yes, an individual TRV can overide the main thermostat which is great. In my setup I have the main thermostat turned right down and the heating only comes on when one of the TRVs goes below a certain temperature.
@@olliec1319 thanks, I’m really considering buying it, trying to compare with nest, hive, drayton etc.
I wouldn’t need the living room at night, just the rooms, so that will be savings.
my initial cost will be like £400. Ie buying the thermostat for heating and water, I have 13 radiators, including bathrooms, kitchen, toilet, hallway. My thought is to buy for the rooms that use heater most (living room and the rooms).
If I but 14 TRVs, that will be will over £1K.
@@okunrin3 You’re welcome. When I was comparing systems, having zonal heating was a must for me, to be able to heat each room individually at different times. Honeywell and Tado seemed to be the best systems for this and I much preferred Tado’s white design and it cost a lot less than Honeywell. So far it’s great, it all works perfectly.
As for my setup, I have 6 rads in my house. I have Tado smart TRVs in the kitchen, living room, and 2 bedrooms. My bathroom rad valve is open all the time (one needs to be so the boiler has somewhere to dissipate heat if needed). I have a standard cheap TRV in my hall (with the 5 numbers on) but can swap it for a Tado TRV if I want to.
I paid £130 for the starter kit, and £200 for 4 smart TRVs, although I’ve seen them for as little as £40 each. So I paid £330 in total which really isn’t crazy and I save a lot in heating each year. And I can activate everything from phone or laptop.
So with smart TRVs on rads in the main living areas, you wouldn’t need to spend anything like £1k. Anyway, food for thought 🙂
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Hi James. Great video as ever 👍 Quick question about the product. Is it gravity compatible so that it puts on the hot water when the heating is called? Cheers 🙏
I’ve noticed in your videos you often refer to the pipes in inches, I thought the pipes here in the UK are measured in mm. Also can you get adaptors from imperial to metric and how do you identify between the 2 sizes
Those plastic rad valve adapters are rubbish. Thankfully I didn't have to use them. Oh, and the batteries last nowhere near 2 years. Oh, and the rad valves temperature sensing is totally inaccurate (you really need the separate room temperature sensors).
Hi can you use any brand of smart radiator valve with my hive system so I can use them with my hive app.
If you have say 7 rads in your house and you only put 4 smart rad thermostats on, will the 3 other radiators come on when just 1 of the other rads is turned on via the smart rad thermostat?
Yes.
Hello, what is that pump you are talking about in 21:25 ?
Could you explain more please?
Hi, I am planning to buy a Tado Multi-Zone control, but I am puzzled about it. whether I need a smart Tado valve for every radiator or just one per room. I have 4 ensuite bedrooms, and a sitting room with down stair bathroom. In total, I have 12 radiators, 4 in the bedroom, 5 in the bathrooms, 1 in the sitting room, 1 in the kitchen, and 1 in the hallway.
Thanks in advance
Note: I have non smart Ideal combi boiler. The boiler is not connected to a thermostat, however, the bedrooms have style-wired thermostats to control the temperature of the room.
Not using Tado but Eve instead, but these are indispensible for anyone living in a shared apartment. In Germany each room has a meter on each radiator and you'll get billed that way. I had a dumb thermostatic valve which I sometimes forgot to turn off when I left, or which didn't let me dial in the temperature properly. I got my Eve thermostat for €5 at a flea market and it has already saved me that amount of money. Btw, if you have geofencing on you just need to set one schedule because it will automatically turn off when you're away anyway. Not sure about the Tado system, but if you have homeassistant you could also use an in-room thermometer for the room temperature reference as the heat coming from the radiator will skew results.
How would the smart valves work without a smart thermostat? How would they communicate the need for hot water? This confuses me
So suspicious of "smart" stuff. What if the company and it's app just disappear, could happen at any time. Do you then have a bricked system that needs tearing out and proper timers putting back in?
I'm the same, but I have heard of a programme called Home Assistant and you can some how make things like this work in it.
What if the government want to freeze you to death? Mwahahahaha! 👀😜
Another great video 👍
I'm in the second winter using Tado wireless room stat with an Alpha Evoke 28 and it been great.
I've recently found out it can use the OpenTherm connection type, this can module the boiler. Rather than just on or off.
Dose anyone have an experience with using OpenTherm?
And how the wiring would change on the wireless extention?
Routers are different from modems.
Hold tight. I am a DIY person and have been watching all of your videos. Thank you for all your tips and videos. I have one question to ask I am planning to change my Thermostat TRV valves to Auto Balancing Danfoss & Drayton TRV valves. Can I install Tado Radiator TRV on these valves?
I've set up my system. However all of the radiator valves seem to be reading a couple of degrees above the actual room temp. I've done the offset but they are now sat at 23 degrees each. And once the rad comes on the temps rise quite quickly. Any advice?
Get the room sensors for more accurate readings- better value during Black Friday
Dryton wiser system is cheaper and better
Good Video , I bought the starter kit from Screwfix but boy do I regret it. Tado Support is pretty useless . My boiler switches on automatically even if the wireless thermostat is switched off. read the trust pilot reviews the most recent ones .
How would this work with a Nest thermostat?
Super interesting! However, would you not need the bypass valve radiator to be where the main thermostat is? If the bypass was in the bathroom and the main thermostat in the corridor for example, if the main thermostat was in demand but no nearby radiator was heating (in bypass) it could keep the demand ON and the bypass installed somewhere else would just keep heating and heating. Right? Or maybe I am missing something 😉
08:08 it's almost as if he knew his time with you was coming to an end and he wanted to spend it close to you. Rest in peace, the greatest cat plumber in the business, George. 🙏🏼
The bit where you're lying on the floor talking away and u have the battery tab u pull out stuck to your knee. I found that funnier than I probably should have. Childish.
Great video.
Hi
Why the temperature is still above 20° when the valves in the other rooms are off?
I have exactly same problem, even though I leave the Trv off, the rads are running hot +20°. I reinstalled them few times 😕
Whats really important is to point out that the tado wired thermostat can connect to the bus of the heating. By doing so, it can modulate the heating and not sinply switch it on or off. This will save money when combined with a condensing boiler.
Great video but I have one question, in a scenario that all the thermostatic valves are closed how the gas boiler will know to turn off if you are not using this Central thermostat? For example Central thermostat is 24° and thermostatic valves are 22°. In that scenario the gas boiler will try to rise the temperature room to 24°, so it will never turn off.thx!!
that makes no sense? first you say if you are not using a central thermostat then you reference the thermostat is set at 24. so are you talking about using just the TRV or the TRV and the thermostat?
I am thinking of investing in this. I currently have a (year 2008) Vailiant eco pro system boiler. I removed the v60 controller when I added an UFH circuit to my living room because this boiler and it's brain did not have the ability to add this circuit. At this point I lost my outside sensor for weather compensation etc. (Sorry for the background info) So we added a 2 port valve for the UFH controlled by it's own room stat. The rest of the house is controlled via another 2 port valve and digital time clock and room stat. The hot water on a 3rd 2 port valve. Would it be as simple as adding a new wireless room stat to the UFH circuit in the living room, another wireless room stat to the rest of the house with smart TRV's to all the other rooms?
I’m South African. “ The love shack” I noticed your wife’s not home. In my country you are not as a bullshitter. We all fantasize about this.
Not sure if you’ve had this requested before but would you consider doing a video on how you go about pricing up a job? 1st and 2nd fix. Considering going out by myself but have always found it a bit daunting when pricing up big jobs and wanted to know had you any advice or tips. Love the videos mate. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Does this work with American radiators? Sorry if it sounds stupid, don't know too much about it
Did you find the answer?
I am looking to do the same but not sure if you can set them to Fahrenheit temperatures.
Did anyone installed Tado TRVs after watching the video?
Any feedbacks? Should I go for it or is better to choose different system?
Used to have Tado (without their TRV’s) until Installer broke it during boiler install 🤬. Now have Nest, Tado absolutely brilliant with geofencing especially learning features when you are returning home and real-time heating info something Nest cannot do. You should do a video on this feature as it’s strong point. obviously main thermostat needs to be set high enough to allow smart operation of TRV’s perhaps not needed if you have the TRV’s on every radiator and set a time and temperature schedule as required. Only downside it has against Nest is that you need the bridge to communicate with the server in Germany that holds your schedule etc so if that goes down or you loose internet at home while you are away system is useless whereas Nest holds the schedule within the thermostat and communicates via a mesh network to boiler switch control.
Looking to switch from NEST to Tado. Current set up, combi boiler, unvented cylinder, 2 zones and 10 rads. (Each zone has a NEST) What kit would I need from TADO for this system? Cheers
Manufacturers should be called "ta daaaaaaa!" (Big eyes, wide smile.....jazz hands)
Is it possible to install smart thermostat in vertical orientation but with valve head facing down? On setup manual it is clear that vertical orinetation has valve head facing upwards but installation of radiators in my house is downwards.
im not sure the energy costs saved would be more than the cost of buying them.
Yeah but we love gadgets! 😁
I’ve been using a TADO basic kit for around 2 yrs with a Combi boiler. I’m looking at adding smart radiator valves with a 3 valve pack. Yes the valves can be expensive to start with (around £184 for 3 valves) but if it’s successful I shall add more to the system… Yesterday and after the heating had been switched for the summer I decided to start the system back up in readiness for winter. The first thing I discovered was the room thermostat batteries needed replacing. No problem and did that in about 1 minute then hey presto the heating was up and running. Yes I know there is a paid service if you want added benefits on your smart app, but I’ve not needed it up to now. All in all at first I was sceptical but now after 2 yrs I’m satisfied that this is the smart way forward an£ will be ordering those smart valves…
It would be handy to be able to access the data that each temp sensor records, with this data you could compare the cool down time for each room and use this as a guide to assist in any insulation upgrades.
Looking from Tado's side, they would be able to see this data for thousands of households, this cold help identify houses that loose heat the quickest and help the UK meet its carbon targets for 2035 (78% reduction).
You can do this. There are graphs that show temp, boiler demand(only applicable for boiler modulating setup), humidity and even outside temp against time. Tado uses a simplified version of weather compensation by using online weather data input to help control the heating system.
Great idea!
if installing Tado TRV's on each radiator in the home - do you think it will be OK for a heating pump, will it cope? E.g. if all TRV's are closing and it still tries to pump hot water. (relatively new home, circa 15 years, with boiler and hot water cyllinder)
That's why you must have a bypass installed or a heat leak radiator and a modulating pump.
Micro zoning using these will course the heat pump to cycle. This will make it very Inefficient.
If none of the valves (or any room stats) are calling for heat then the boiler and pump wouldn't fire up.....or have I missed something ?
Do these just adjust the radiator valve rather than communicate with the boiler, pump etc? How accurate is the temperature target for the room when the thermostat is so close to the radiator itself? If you have a room with a tado thermostat I assume you don’t want to put the smart radiator valve on the radiator in that room otherwise it’ll just create a conflict, as with traditional adjustable thermostatic valves?
Ive had the hive thermostat and rad valves for about a year, thermostat isn't bad but the valves are awful, always going out of calibration and asking for me to recalibrate. Also the app isn't that user friendly in my opinion, tado looks alot better, might have to invest!
Excellent video. I’m heavily invested in Nest with smoke detectors, cameras as well as the thermostat, so good to know I can just do the radiators. 👍 I do have some rads without thermostats so be good to understand how to sort that. Is there a short cut or do I have to drain the system?
Use a freeze kit , buy two just incase one isn't enough have the system as cold as possible have a long hose close by in case you mess up.
If I have two radiators in one room, do I just replace one valve? I'm thinking changing both radiator valves might confuse temperature with one staying on and one going off, etc
In the app when you add the TRVs you give them a 'Room' name - If you add 2 TRVs to the same 'Room' it synchronises them automatically. I am putting extra wireless temperature sensors in the 'rooms' with 2 TRVs and Tado will adjust the TRVs based on the temp from this sensor. I'm leaving the radiator in the hall without a TRV as a bypass to protect the boiler and keeping a wireless temperature sensor in there too. I bought the V3+ wireless starter kit and was disappointed to find the new UK wireless receiver only does on/off relay control. Comet are still selling the older wireless extension kit which does eBus and properly allows modulation.
@@kissarmy1347 thanks for the response. So if 2 TRV's in one room synchronise then does it mean it's just better to keep 1 in that room as it will be a waste. Rather use the second one in another room... Also can I have more than one wireless thermostat controls in the house? For example, controlling upstairs and downstairs separately. I believe I will need to have smart TRV's on all the radiators in the house, then the thermostats can be allocated to a group of radiators. But I'm not sure if that is the case... Can more than one wireless thermostat controls be on the same system?
@@1987kahil My thought is 2 radiators in a room needs 2 Tado TRVs. These sync together so they aren't fighting each other. I believe 1 Tado TRV and 1 dumb TRV will fight each other.
Yes you can have more than one wireless thermostat in the house. Remember that you have to assign wireless thermostats to a 'room' in the same way as you do with TRVs. I have 2 radiators in my office, both with Tado TRVs and a wireless thermostat. These are all assigned to the room 'Office' I then get one control button on the app interface called 'Office'. This is then the control for both TRVs at a temp monitored by the wireless thermostat.
If you wanted you could create 2 rooms called 'Upstairs' and 'Downstairs' and assign your 2 wireless thermostats to these 2 rooms. Any TRVs you assign to these 2 'rooms' would then follow the temp monitored by the wireless thermostats for upstairs and downstairs. I feel you would lose a lot of control doing it this way.
Can the radiator valves work without the Tado ecosystem?
will this work with Three boilers - on in the older side of the house and two in the newer side of the house
Would people recommend the Tado system or a Evohome system? Would have a smart stat fitted to every rad in the house. Cheers guys
Hi,
Great video as usual.
Just one question please. I’m not really knowledgeable with heating system.
Can the TRV override the main thermostat please? For example, can I set the main thermostat to 20 but the room to 25?
With my little knowledge, I’m thinking the main thermostat will shut down the boiler so anything above may not work.
What do you think?
Thanks.
No, main thermostat is just the 'brain' of the system. It talks to the boiler and the thermostats. It's the captain of the team. Other thermostats communicate with the main thermostat and can individually regulate the radiator. If one room needs more heating, the other radiator stay off if they have also tado installed.
I want to buy Google Nest so which valves should I buy?
there's many things they could've done to improve this system, and yet they didn't. smh.
Great video very easy to understand and straight to the point, thank you!
What is a bypass radiator?
Is it a radiator that doesn't have any valves on it I guess?
Also I'm considering this Tado with the Vaillant TRVs.
I want to be able to modulate my boiler for best efficiency.
I heard maybe Tado no longer supports eBUS in UK? Not sure.
So I'm considering Vaillants control and TRV which seem very similar. Do you have any opinion on those as an alternative?
Did you get the answer to this I have a vaillant as well.
Well done indeed! Both the video and product 👍I bought a house last year and looking around for such a system. Very much appreciated presentation!
Just installed the Tado system and it was easy! However, have noticed two of the radiator thermostats are different versions. They don't have the option to select vertical or horizontal mounting. Firmware updated after a couple of hours. Not sure if the wireless thermostat stays in the hall or should go in the living room but will have fun playing with the system.
The new version is of the SRT is universal - the digital displays changes when you rotate the SRT
Bought the whole kit. The Internet bridge won't connect to my router, apparently doesn't support fibre broadband.
Any video on wiring the receiver to the boiler please?
@@iaincrawford5472 oh dear pressure is on now 😅
@@iaincrawford5472 hi. It’s an Ideal H24 regular gas boiler
Is there anyway of using the smart TRVs with my current Nest thermostat?
Yes, but you have to keep “tricking” the Nest, as the TRVs wont be able to call for hot water. Ive done it, I’m replacing nest with the Tado Thermo this week.
@@harrispcadid you replace nest with Tado and if so I’d be interested to know how you have found the change?
I've got a Hive but wanna get some smart TRV's. Is it best to get the HIVE TRVs to match, or get the TADO TRVs to work with my HIVE?
I've had Tado for about 6 years its been great. I had a new Worcester Bosch boiler a few years ago and connected the main thermostat to the digital input of the boiler and now the thermostat modulates the boiler with a thermostat configuration changes. Replaced all the radiator valves and they also modulate temperature of the water to the radiator. It now saves up to 30% on gas.
I have a worcester with a remote thermostat. Can the worcester talk to the TADO thermostat when sited in a remoote location or do you need an additional sender unit?
No you need to connect the smart thermostat to the EBus terminals to the digital connections in you boiler. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/cdn.brandfolder.io/607DGEMS/as/bxgtx5kghgjrbcs4m68kqch/Extension_Kit_Manual_-_Low_Voltage_Digital_Installations.pdf@@colinscoines144
Great video James, ... and you're better looking than I am :) thanks a million for speeding the time making it, really good video mate.
Hi, is anyone able to confirm if the wireless thermostat is actually required to turn the 2 port valve on? Or can the Tado TRV do the same job of turning the 2 port valve on?
I can also control the temperature of my hot water with it, not only turn it on or off.
Cool Video! Thx...will change to Tado
THX Bradley Cooper :) haha
Thanks for the video. How do you get in contact with Tado to check compatibility before purchasing the radiator controls please? Am I right in saying any radiator can have them added?
Hi, if anyone could help me. Just installed tado radiator smart valves. Only with bridge. Do you turn in your boiler all the time. And what setting is your existing thermostat? Thanks
Have you installed one of these on the skirting board radiator, therma skirt? The adaptor on those are different than the converstional TRVs, could these even be considered?
Hi, I was going to install the Tado smart thermostat on my Vaillant Ecotec 831 boiler however I spoke with an engineer who said while it can be done the Ecotec boilers it will not run as efficiently as they would using their own controllers.
This is due to vaillant having their own Ebus chip and third party controllers can only control the boiler to be on or off rather than gradual heat control, this wasn't always the case with the previos vr65 which I think were opentherm but since the vr66 this seems to not work aswell with third party.
Because of this I decided to only purchase the Tado radiator thermostats which come with the bridge in order to run those as an extra while keeping my Vaillant controller.
Please can you or anyone else confirm this to be true?
Hi could you kindly says which radiator valve brand and type you didn’t need an adaptor for? Many thanks!
Tado or Hive , which system would you recommend in UK , I am planing to update all including smart TRVs in 8 rads.
If I’m installing a brand new radiator, what valve should I install it onto? No point me buying a manual TRV to then take off and bin.
Just got this - 10 smart radiator valves - they’re useless - half of them won’t stay connected because the bridge is so poor! I’ve moved it all around the house and there are always some that are out of reach - my house is not that big - absolute waste of money and when you look at the Tado forums - you’ll see this is very common and Tado seem to have no idea what to do about it other than talk of ‘new hardware on the way’ - so I’ve just thrown hundreds of £ down the drain
thanks for this - I've just fit my thermostat and will be doing the valves tomorrow. For some reason I assumed I'd need to empty radiators etc . Phew!
Hi sorry if it's a silly question, I understand the thermostat bit downstairs, but what is the piece you put in your loft? My loft doesn't have any of that? Is that what I would put near my boiler the box that I use to put heating on ect?
Jimmy I'm running a Nokia 3310 does that support the app? Ps. Love Big G doing the QC
Hi
I have a Viessman vitodens 050. It has a wireless thermostat as opposed to one on the wall. Would I need the full kit of the just the bridge? I’d ideally like full kit with Tado thermostat but not sure how it would be wired?
Great video! Can you confirm whether the Tado V3+ offers full modulation boiler control. I'm not an expert in this area, but I've heard a lot of stuff saying that it only supports on/off of the boiler? We have a Worcester Bosch system - fairly new, but using a tank (not a combi) - and I'd like to be certain that the Tado system will offer proper modulation of the boiler. Any recent UK users able to comment?
Modulation control would be on the boiler itself, not the Tado setup.
If I want to remove the tado system and go back to a conventional thermostat etc do I just remove the tado radiator valves only?
great video, thanks a lot. Just curious... how do I know what wiring from my heating system to connect to what wiring on the board?
Wish I saw this video three weeks ago, now submerged into the Nest ecosystem. It irritates me Nest doesn't do rad control thermostats - That way I won't have the 'Top of the house boiling, ground floor at temperature' scenario. Tado seems to be the perfect solution for that.
Hi James, Whats the best way to control the UFH with this system?
p.s, get a better looking presenter
I have a thermostat on the wall on the landing, there is no controller box, just the combi boiler with all the timer and controller on the front of it in the kitchen, so what do I do?
well you literally answered 3 of my questions in the first 5 mins lol. great video really considering these now perhaps when there in stock
Hi.For dual zone heating system i'll need two bridges?
Loved Tado at first, but we've found that wifi doesn't reliably connect to the furthest room and Tado is the only "intelligent" valve system that hasn't made a signal booster, so we have to do it manually. The whole reason for the system was so the annex we had built for my father-in-law could be tropical while the rest of the house was at a normal temperature and this makes it impossible😟😡. We also have one valve that doesn't turn off when the desired temperature is reached and is heating the room to 28 whether we like it or not. Sadly, as we had it installed in the summer, we didn't realise how crap it was until the 30 days trial had passed. Very expensive for an unreliable and poorly designed system that won't work properly if your house is bigger than a shoebox or has thick walls. Been waiting 7 WEEKS for the engineer who installed it come and sort it out. My fuel bill has almost doubled in the space of a month, so any savings I might have made have now been wiped out.
you can easily get cheap wifi extenders these days including the powerline ones that work via the power lines in your house. did you not think to do that?
Is this worth adding to a heating sytem with nest already fitted?
I fitted one of these to the bedroom rad, but when I turn it on it turns on the whole of the upstairs rads? Downstairs stays off. Any ideas?
I had the wired smart thermostat installed a month ago on opentherm. It seemed ok until last night, now it seems the boiler is constantly firing for CH.
how to install one of this similar things but to control the room temperature from a thermostat on the wall or similar? isn't the thermostatic valve picking the temperature not from the room but next to the radiator?
modems ?
big love to big G! great video mate, totally prepped and set on getting and installing these bad boys.
If the wall mounted smart thermostat is mounted on the wall of the hall and the smart TRV in the hall radiator is set to off or low and the only room you want heating gets up to the desired temp, does that mean the boiler stays on trying to reach the smart thermostat desired temp in the hall?
Looks like your replacing a nest heatlink. Can you share wire terminations to tado
Do we know if these fit to older style lock shields?