The Real Reason Why Lennon and McCartney ISOLATED George Harrison
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- The real reason why Lennon and McCartney isolated George Harrison
The Beatles are an iconic band. Even if you're not a hardcore fan you most likely are aware of their incredible journey and some more challenging moments. Today we will be focusing specifically on George Harrison and explore why he never truly felt like he belonged to the band.
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I have never heard it said before, but think that George's harmony vocals added a sound and texture that was uniquely "Beatles". He was always important and without George their four part perfection that they often reached would not been so damn good.
That's absolutely truthful.
@@JohnDupuyintegralrecovery I disagree. George's harmony vocals would have been a factor in their live performances. But, on record (which is what really matters) either John or Paul could have substituted a third vocal.
"Don't Bother Me" was always one of my favorites. I don't know why it's treated like a throw away song.
I have to comment on this. Just thinkin about it .
It’s really catchy, 2, it gives the illusion of three sections 3, the melodic rythym is a hook in itself, suggestive of flow like in rap.
In the latter reguards, it reminds me of the Kinks ‘ You really got me’😊
George's early songs are great. Don't bother.., If I needed someone, I need you are fantastic. It's only when he "flowered" did I stopped liking his work. Hate his abbey road stuff and solo records. Only like "Here comes the Sun and "My Sweet Lord. "Isn't it a Pity is close to pitiful. And George has a bad opinion on so many others in rocks , so he deserves this sharp but truthful put-down. So sick of hearing about this great guitarist songwriting. He's good enough, but no John Lennon. The quiet Beatle put down Neil Young and Rod Stewart and a hundred more, and his songwriting can't compare to Neils. WTF?
@@oppothumbs1 Here Here. When he dissed Neil young I’m thinkin talent doesn’t nessesarily equal taste.
Personally, as songwriting goes, I place Neil in the top ten of all time.
As for George’s later stuff, I also concur. ‘ Something’ is a good to great song I suppose but it lacks the vitality of his earlier work.
That’s partly the fault of George Martin who admited some of the later albums were over produced.
Reguardless, George wasn’t the tunesmith Lennon and McCartney were.
Perhaps the greatest song he wrote was the one he co wrote-‘ He’s so fine.
Sorry couldn’t help the cheap shot.
And he had some help with, in my umble opinion , his greatest lyric( and possible song) ‘ Taxman. And with the greatest couplet in the entire Beatle catalogue: “ my advice for those about to die, declare the penny’s on your eyes.”
George seemed to be a bit of a crybaby is the vibe I get off him too.
All that meditation didn’t seem to do much for him.
P.S. 4 got. “ Isn’t it a pity “ sounded on the pitifull side to me also.
Have to disagree with you on Rod the Mod though😊
@@oppothumbs1 He wasn't as prolific as Lennon & McCartney, but he has a few good songs to his credit. I like "Don't Bother Me", "Something", Here Comes the Sun", "Taxman", "As My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "My Sweet Lord".
"Cry for a Shadow" (Harrison, Lennon) is a guitar masterpiece.
Harrison's songs on Abbey Road, Something and Here Comes The Sun are on a par with the best of Lennon - McCartney. However, genius is quantity as well as quality. John and Paul were songwriting factories of great music together and individually. George couldn't compete. He's on record as saying he threw away thirty songs because he didn't think they were good enough.
He only began to assert himself during the White Album when he brought in Eric Clapton for _While My Guitar Gently Weeps_
How can you compete when no one cares if you do? Second, you only need two to tango, right? You might think of John and Paul as a married couple without the sex. They had a "bromance," one might say today. Had it been so terrible the police would have been called for domestic abuse.
But maybe that wasn't the thing back then, and you just had to suffer in silence and be a man about playing "third" fiddle, or get yourself a "real" girl or some other hobby, like the "Winston Churchill" thing. Hahaha. Hilarious.
Being in a band is difficult. Egos rub each other the wrong way often. People take sides. Brian Jones from the Rolling Stones knows all about that.
@@Jpaintingdesigns George Harrison said that he and Brian Jones were in the same position in their respective groups. The simple fact is that the songwriters rule the band - Lennon-McCartney, Jagger-Richards, Pete Townshend in The Who, Ray Davies in The Kinks, Ian Anderson in Jethro Tull, Henley-Frey in The Eagles, etc, etc
@@Jay-essayHarrison also wrote songs and helped with many lines from some of the best Beatles songs
Harrison was less than a year younger than McCartney.
The age question was in their early teenage years when these age gaps mattered. It was only gradually the George has an interest in writing songs. Prior to that, John and Paul would write a song for George to sing and they’d also feature a Ringo song. John and Paul
Probably did have the edge but the group was arranged of them more or less as equals. George eventually wanted a bigger slice of the songwriting action when they’d started out as just doing Lennon McCaertney songs. Times changed
Paul was constantly in the studio with George Martin and spent most of his efforts trying to get them in there too. We are always ready to call them geniuses but rarely credit Martin.
Martin gets little credit because he wasn't in the band, you see. He had a different role. He was the producer, as I understand it, and perhaps a bit older than the rest. Was he important? Yes. But he was never a Beatle.
@@jcjcviews I wasn't talking about album credits I was talking about discussion credits. Plus I'm pretty sure he did add to recordings.
If George would have just practiced the guitar and learn scales and learn to use them it would have gave him great power in the band BUT. as he himself said " And the interview is on You Tube" look it up - He did like to practice the guitar he just got into writing songs and strumming chords and in the early days just tried to play Carl Perkins and Chuck Berry licks in all of their original songs, it worked for ac while but once the Beatles started to write Wongs like Michelle and songs with chords other then Major and MINOR CHORDS he could not play lead on them he was not good enough, George Martin wrote out guitars solo's and told George Harrison to play the notes that way, George would write a song like Taxman and not even try to work out the guitar solo at home before coming in the studio, then when George recorded the song and tried to just do the solo on the spot he was not good enough to do it, Paul picks up the guitar and did the solo in three takes, that must have killed George inside. But you would think at that point he would do like Hendrix and Clapton and Beck and Leslie West and many many other guitar players did, Practice Blues scales and the Pentatonic scale and get Good at your craft, remember you are in the most famous rock band in the world!! So what does he do, he takes Sitar lessons. lol. lol. lol. Please do not blame Paul or John. or even G.Martin for you having to bring in Clapton on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. not until the 7th day of January 1969 does George take lessons from Eric Clapton on how to use the blues scale and Pentatonic scales". Which are Rock scales used by all the rockers". does George start to get pretty good on guitar- Now. how do I know, it is in Eric Clapton's book he wrote in 2002, Read it and see, there is a whole 5 pages of Eric telling George to stop blaming Paul and John and get good on your guitar, play live with me and Bonnie and Delany live and practice at least 4 hours a day with the scales. Now you see and hear on the solo's on the Let It Be album and Abbey Road album George Harrison playing like he never did before, bluesy and more rocking , I mean ok there not the best solo's ever but what other album does he play solo's like Octopuses Garden and Let It Be and I Dig a Pony? Now he is not just searching for notes he hears in his head on the guitar but putting his fingers where he knows the notes must be within the scale of the key to the songs. I met the Beatles engineer me and my friends in my band two times, he told us a lot about George and other things I never rad in books or in interviews , George for what ever reason was a little lazy when it came to practicing his guitar and relied on his little riffs from the 60's too much to get him by.He got too much into the songwriting and not the guitar- He could have done both. Having said that, I love George Harrison". too many great song to be my favorite but if I had to pick one it would be " Isn't a Pity". god, that one always gets me !!!
You think George Harrison didn't know scales or chords?
@@lylecampbell9036 I love George Harrison, he’s my favorite Beatle. But I wouldn’t ever consider him more than a decent guitar player. If you listen to many different beatles tracks, the complexity of guitar parts just isn’t there. He’s not bad, but during the beatles days he definitely could’ve been better. I’m sure he knew chords and had some understanding of scales, but not to the level of mastery that his contemporaries understood
Having rubbed shoulders with professional bands to become a contributing creative member, I can see how much of what you said here is true. Are there levels to commitment and hence outcomes, who could argue with that? I could see Harrison feeling sorry for himself.
Although you wouldn't think a small age difference would matter for how one compares themselves to a peer, I found it to be real. Could it be that George thought himself to be better than he was? I believe it boiled it down to this. George didn't have anyone to play with so he could blame others for his lack of drive or sulking.
It's funny how you have the steady bass player and the drummer hanging on all these years for dear life! Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles. Without them, somehow I feel the world would be a difficult place. God bless 'em all.
This.
His many guitar riffs resonates with me.
What John allowed George to do in the group is well documented.
George betrayed the trust of the group with his marriage to those people from India.
What John, Paul, George, and Ringo spoke of in private, was just that, private.
John, especially, didn't trust George's.life choices after that.
George had the right to choose and decide for himself. It was John's right to choose and decide for the group.
It was John's group. It was John's group. It was John's group.
Not Paul's. Not George's. Not Ringo's. It was John's group.
As early as 1966 George brought in "Isn't It A Pity" for consideration at a recording session. This tune is of a high quality but got dismissed pretty much out of hand. Why ? This is just one example, but there are others. Is a tune like this "largely forgettable" ? Not IMO.
Splendid, I hope there's an afterlife & he knows people feel that way.
John was the best RHYTHM GUITARRISTS and George the best solo lead One
Paul has been my fav Beatle for years but now my fav Is John and he 2 Is geo. Bcs i love Georges works❤
The best thing about the song, Free As a Bird is George's slide guitar solo.
John and Paul could have partnered with George like they did with each other.
Well, a lead guitar player must necessarily exist in a band of caliber. So for me, it's rather humorous why anyone could believe that Harrison was not influential. I tend to lean towards how the relationships were established early on for the cause of the tension. This affects how we, the viewers, come to see George and how George came to view himself.
A rivalry was going on between Lennon and McCartney from the outset. John, the founder of the band, had his shortcomings as a musician. Harrison comes on, a little minnow, but inclined to focus on guitar development, he was picked on by the two other, older guys "naturally" (note: they were not men yet).
To continue, already not only did Paul and John have their own distinct personalities, but coming back to the rivalry theme, it takes two to establish, to forge, if you will, a stable and solid foundation. Mind you, the challenge for John, as the leader of the man, is to make his case as such even though at this point he dares not lay any claims for being the better musician. In this way, the seeds of insecurities are there.
It's usually a duo that emerges when you're young and egos are particularly fragile because you don't who you are. I think it says a lot about Harrison on my end for becoming the unenviable role of the glue that held the band together. Harrison was maturing faster to eventually become his own man, separate and apart from the other members, including Ringo.
They just grew apart and got different music preferences in my opinion. George is a late bloomer in songwriting . His fascination with Indian culture opened his eyes to a different perspective as well. Glad he was able to express his own music.
He wasn't that "late." The period during which he wrote songs successfully for the Beatles (1965 to 1969) correspond to his age range from 22 to 26. That's pretty early in life to have written ageless classics like Something and Here Comes the Sun.
Harrison hat grundsätzlich nie die Klasse von Paul und John als Komponist erreicht.
Quatsch!
I disagree George was a major guitarist
Well, he did much of what he could, given his age, and separated from John and Paul. What else should we expect of someone so young?
George Harrison me fascina. Excepcional compositor e guitarrista.
George wrote great material.
Only SOME great material with the Beatles. Nowhere even close to the volume of Lennon/McCartney. Get real. LOL
Greed. Paul and John wanted all of the songwriting royalties. When they stopped touring the only money came from writing
I think that George was disappointed with their rejection Isn't it a pity - a song that still are covering and inspired, for example, Coldplay to write their massive hit "Scientist". Next push was from Macca bossing him on camera. Next push - cold reception of While my guitar - the most popular song from White album. Also Lennon didn't like his "I me mine" -just for no reason. Lennon and McCartney preferred to put Revolution 9 rather than "Beware of darkness" on album. All these cases convicted George that he is not taken seriously enough by their "elder brothers".
Because they were a lit better. More if Geirge would mean less of them. It was the right call.
Lennon and McCartney were prolific and stunning in their songwriting. Harrison - love him - contributed largely forgettable songs until the last couple albums, when Something and Here Comes the Sun blew us all away. It must have been an awkward dance for all three.
I feel for Harrison, as Lennon McCartney had each other to support, polish, nurture and compete with, Individually perhaps John wouldn't have polished his songs and Paul wouldn't have pushed himself to perfectionism, George had to do it on his own and was on a spiritual growth. Perhaps George wouldn't have made great music later on as he would've have felt the need to push himself if he was embrace by the other other two, we'll never know. Truth is they all needed each other,
The band broke up 54 years ago. Why bother speculating about why?
He is just shy to stand with his music against lennon-mccartney...they have different taste in music and sometimes you want to line up other's music with your music as the best...but for me George is good if not the best among the group with his music especially Taxman...While my guitar gently weeps...if I needed someone...and others.l songs....I like his style in music...it's genuine...rare...and different...
Poor George! Always angry and bitter. It took years for George to develop into a quality songwriter. His early efforts just don't compare with the Lennon McCartney collaboration
Long after Lennon and McCartney settled their disagreements, George continued to snipe at them His reaction to Lennon's death was unnerving
Harrison was a high school friend of one of the two greatest rock and roll songwriters ever. He had the extreme luck of being their lead guitar player, at which he shined. He got to be in the studio with the two greatest ever and learned songwriting from them. He was blessed in that regard. In no real sense was he isolated, he just felt that way.
Talk about condescending...George was not great because of Paul and John, he was great in spite them.
He could stand on his own, and they were just as lucky as he was to have an amazing musician as lead guitar...The Beatles would be the same without George, wich btw made the best solo album of them all in "All things must pass"
@@guilhermejrmarin Nah. Without Paul and John, George never becomes a songwriter. Being a Beatle was a decade long course in songwriting for George, and he learned well.
fact is they only gave a song to George on an album and made him fight to get that . Paul and john wanted control of everything and were slated as the best pair of song writer's but when Paul n john fought Lennon made a sang to paul all he did was yesterday and Sargent peppers took him by surprise etc. so they were both to big on themselves. if only they would of cut loose and made say an album call the series for George or for Ringo then it could be different they could of all done their solos albums like ram etc. and make more money did more shows and settled a lot of tension except for Yoko ono they could of just said john you and her use the studio when u two want to do something that way beatles had nothing to do with her lets face it managers and others should of protected their golden goose but never do
OMG! They had a CONTRACT and Lennon & McCartney were NOT going to lose out on royalties by giving up any tracks.
Sorry, I can´t take this seriously. Harrison played the victim after the Beatles split as if he was tortured all the time by being ignored. But the truth is that he delivered only filler songs until the white album. But the band had their breakthrough way earlier with Lennon/Macca-songs only. These songs made them superstars incl. Harrison. Of course that was a difficult situation for him but everything he was and everything he earned came from Lennon/Macca´s work. Then in the end he could catch up with some great tunes but c´mon - you can´t compare them with the quantity of all these great Lennon/Macca-songs. I tell you, every prof. musician would have had accepted this position in a band where two great songwriters were part of. Noone would have complained as he was only benefitting by a membership. Instead George became whiny and even attacked Macca more than one time. That means he must have overrated his input in the band. Moreso instead of catching up with new guitar styles and sounds he preferred to practice Sitar without becoming a real good player on it. But his job in the Beatles was playing the guitar. So that was totally unprofessional.
Unfortunately George has a huge fan base who unfortunately share his opinion, especially about Macca who doesn´t deserve it.
I so agree. He was passive agressive. He preached love and kindness but he was a bitter man. He benefitted from J & P's songwriting that made the Beatles famous and gladly cashed the checks that made him rich.
Totally agree. Recall the secretly recorded “flower pot “ conversation between John and Paul during the LIB sessions. They were complaining that George couldn’t even play the guitar any more because he had stopped practicing it and had been only playing the sitar. That was extremely unprofessional of George, as he had obligations to the band as the lead guitarist. That’s the reason why the LIB sessions got off to such a rocky start. The LIB sessions got better as George started to get his chops back. This is little known and instead everyone says it’s because twickenham was a bad place to play. George himself says, during the get back documentary, that being able to play was starting to come back to him, as he had not really picked up the guitar in years.
Another thing - all throughout the get back documentary, Michael Lindsay Hogg is desperately trying to get the band to do anything to close the LIB movie, but it’s George who immediately throws a wet blanket on every suggestion. Hogg at one point suggests they go on a cruise ship with fans and give a concert there. George says he doesn’t want to be stuck on a boat with “those assholes”.
Recall also that it’s George who forced the band to stop performing live. George once said in an interview that he only showed up a few days during the recording of Sgt. Pepper to record his own song for the album, and was never present for the recording of the rest of the album. Nice attitude. He reaped all the money and fame from all of John and Paul’s efforts over the years and in return was difficult, surly and resentful.
Had John not been killed when he was, I suspect John and Paul would have eventually patched up their differences and worked together again, but wouldn’t have bothered to try and include George. He was more trouble than he was worth. John and Paul may not have wanted all 4 of them together again on any future projects, as they may have wanted to avoid the pressure of it being a Beatles reunion. Just John and Paul.
@@user-gz9dv9oh9o Yeah, Paul said that George preferred to care for his new purchased mansion instead of showing up in the studio. And George once said that he hated Sgt. Pepper cause there was so few guitar work in it. And quite frankly - I always thought that his triple album was boring - except for 2 or 3 songs.
@@anonymusum Had George been willing to be an active participant on Pepper, I’m sure he would have had more of an input on the album. Instead, he was a no show. Regarding ATMP, I think it’s very good, though IMO there’s a lot of filler on it. The entire 3rd disc is just an extended jam, and many other songs are drawn out longer than necessary. There’s also a cover song and 2 versions of one song. The notion that George had this huge backlog of songs that J&P were preventing him from releasing as Beatles songs is just false. After ATMP, George didn’t release another album for 3 years.
Don’t get me wrong- I think George had a lot to contribute to the band. His song writing was growing quickly and his harmonies were excellent as his voice melded well with the others. His guitar playing was average, but he was an overall plus to the band, outside of his corrosive attitude.
Had he not grown up with John and Paul, I think his attitude would’ve been better. I think he felt J & P owed him more because they had all known each other since they were kids. I doubt J&P would have put up with this from an outsider brought into the band; that outsider would have been fired immediately. It was a difficult dynamic, as he was really their resentful kid brother.
I always thought George was one of the worlds best guitar player. Ringo was a joke at best. Lennon wrote “Imagine”. My way of thinking in life. Funny how one song can say so much. It is a tragedy that they could not work together. So much talent.
No he certainly wasn't one of the world's best guitar players. And I bet you believe Lennon said Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. Oh, and Imagine is a trite dirge.
@@manfred747They got lucky when they got Ringo.
Ringo is an excellent drummer. Your knowledge of the Beatles is obviously compromised.
As early as Revolver Geo' s work equaled L&Mc, watch Let it Be, he was Marginalized 99% unless he was doing what Maxwell Silver wanted him to doo doo de da da.../ Lets face it: every group/ band knowz the songwriter makes $$$royalties more than the 'players.' Comprende?
Id say George sure learned quickly becoming equally as talented by 69.
I love his writing and playing
Paul MacCartney 1942-1966.
Harrison should have accepted his place in John and Paul's band
I understand George's frustration. But the hierarchy of the Beatles was Lennon, McCartney, George & Ringo & that was cemented. The advice I would've given George was if you're truly unhappy the only thing you can do is leave the band permanently. By the way, his Don't bother me was always a fav of mine. Very good song.